**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 09 02:59:58 2011 May 09 03:06:11 On an ExoPC is there a way from the cmdline to get the screen to turn on? I find it goes dark if I'm idle for 1 min or so May 09 03:06:37 and I can still ssh in, but I haven't found a way (besides rebooting) to get the screen responding again. May 09 03:10:35 akk: I think thats a new bug in 1.1.99.5 May 09 03:10:50 or whatever the lastest was from May 3 May 09 03:11:21 I'm still running the one that shipped on the tablet -- tried a week ago to download a new version but it wouldn't boot. May 09 03:11:34 Is there a build date that works well on the Exo? May 09 03:11:46 yes but I dont know which one May 09 03:12:20 i just noticed that it starts going dark after less than 1 minute in the latest release May 09 03:12:30 well not release, in the latest build May 09 03:12:52 none of these are releases :) May 09 03:12:59 Right, point taken :) May 09 03:13:31 Well, I'll keep my ears open and see if anybody has luck with builds over the next week. May 09 03:13:50 someone filed a bug for this already May 09 03:14:06 looks like over-eager screen saver May 09 03:14:32 yeah ... though it might be nice to have a way to recover from a screensaver too, other than rebooting :) May 09 03:14:43 like, maybe, have it actually come back when I tap on the screen May 09 03:15:00 or hit the back/home button or something May 09 03:15:12 yeah it does kinda spoil things May 09 03:15:28 it comes back for me on netbook 2 or 3 times May 09 03:15:34 but keeps getting darker May 09 03:15:51 Oh, as long as I'm asking questions: is there any concept of sleep/suspend? All I've figured out how to do is power down, and boot again next time I want it. May 09 03:16:12 i dont know, i never tried it May 09 03:55:59 akk: what happens if you boot with "nohpet" (wondering if it's same bug i'm seeing here: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17233 ) May 09 03:56:02 Bug 17233 cri, Undecided, ---, yong.y.wang, NEW, Netbook display often broken after suspend, especially after starting legacy X programs (?) May 09 04:04:06 I'll try it, npm ... May 09 04:04:36 though I don't think it's ever suspending, so based on the title I'm not sure it's the same issue as that bug. May 09 04:04:42 How do you get meego to suspend? May 09 04:06:40 Clippy 4eva May 09 04:07:02 Did Nokier license Clippy as part of that deal? May 09 04:07:43 And how do I boot with "nohpet"? If I go into the boot screen I tried typing 'e' (as I'd do with grub) but that didn't do anything. May 09 04:08:10 akk, ask Clippy, he answers everything! May 09 04:08:22 akk: Tab usually May 09 04:08:35 Clippy: How do I boot with "nohpet"? May 09 04:08:41 Tab doesn't do anything either. May 09 04:08:44 Clippy is a troll May 09 04:09:15 did you want to boot without a PEP... er PET? May 09 04:10:29 It seems you are trying to chroot your meego distribution. Can I recommend Android instead? May 09 04:11:32 Can Ishow meego to the Ovi? May 09 04:13:36 Ah, looks like /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf is the only way to get new boot args in. May 09 04:14:02 you may want to increase the timeout value May 09 04:14:15 i think that is in small units, like 100ms May 09 04:14:49 and perhaps comment out the "hidden" part May 09 04:14:50 The timeout in extlinux.conf? May 09 04:14:58 yes it goes really fast May 09 04:15:12 doesnt give you much of a chance to do anything May 09 04:15:40 I have timeout 1 now -- I could believe it's waiting about a sec with the button I have to press to get a boot menu. May 09 04:15:46 I'll change it to 3 and see. May 09 04:16:30 it is set for elegant production release booting :) May 09 04:17:06 Changing it to 3 definitely didn't make the BBS button (or whatever that says) stay on the screen longer. May 09 04:17:16 (I missed it, now I'm waiting for it to boot so I can power off and try again.) May 09 04:18:50 Oh, I'm never getting the extlinux menu at all, just a menu of boot devices. May 09 04:19:23 maybe thats a different menu May 09 04:19:38 the exlinux menu looks a lot like the grub one May 09 04:19:51 list of kernels basically May 09 04:19:58 I have nothing in /boot/grub and a bunch of stuff in /boot/extlinux, so I presume it's using extlinux. May 09 04:20:10 yes it is extlinux May 09 04:20:29 so yeah, maybe it's showing me the menu for 3 milliseconds or something. May 09 04:20:45 something like that May 09 04:20:52 or its still hidden May 09 04:20:54 but anyway, I made the first entry be nohpet May 09 04:21:03 so let's see if it still goes black and won't come back May 09 04:21:18 worth a half-hearted attempt :) May 09 04:21:27 What is hpet, anyway? May 09 04:21:48 __ May 09 04:21:48 / \ May 09 04:21:48 | | May 09 04:21:48 @ @ May 09 04:21:48 || || May 09 04:21:48 || || May 09 04:21:48 |\_/| May 09 04:21:49 \___/ May 09 04:21:52 high p-somehting timer May 09 04:23:03 okay, screen blanks at exactly 1 minute May 09 04:23:13 nope, doesn't come back even with hpet May 09 04:23:33 not the same problem apparently May 09 04:23:36 and once it's blanked, I can't ssh in any more, either May 09 04:23:48 ah its worse May 09 04:23:49 though if I already had an ssh shell, sometimes (not always) it's still alive. May 09 04:24:10 I think it actually powers off May 09 04:24:33 or suspending or something in between May 09 04:24:47 because if I press the power button briefly, it doesn't power off (like it would if it was running) and if I hold it, it powers on and boots (which it wouldn't if it were already running) May 09 04:25:17 in my case on netbook it goes darker 2 or 3 times, then it stops May 09 04:25:21 and it doesn't shut down cleanly (it's doing its "sit forever at a blank screen with a blinking cursor" think which I take to mean fsck). May 09 04:25:38 fscking A! May 09 04:25:43 blank-hit key-darker-blank-hit hey-darker May 09 04:26:01 This tablet doesn't do that, it just goes completely dark and unresponsive. May 09 04:26:42 what build is it ? May 09 04:26:50 Is there a way to shut down cleanly from the UI, BTW? other than connect a keyboard or ssh and type poweroff? May 09 04:27:10 This is whatever build came on the ExoPCs from App Nation. May 09 04:27:11 no May 09 04:27:22 open a terminal and shutdown -h now May 09 04:27:23 I tried booting a newer build but it wouldn't boot. May 09 04:27:39 press and hold hw power button May 09 04:27:55 Did you want to boot in compatibility mode? May 09 04:28:21 timoph: Just a short press powers down, holding doesn't seem to make any difference. But I wasn't clear if that synced the disks first. May 09 04:28:35 ("disk", well, storage) May 09 04:28:41 it doesn't May 09 04:28:55 it just forces shutdown May 09 04:29:11 so there's really no clean way to either shut down or suspend from just the tablet itself. :( May 09 04:29:18 the hardware power button forces a software shutdown May 09 04:29:27 Maybe they need developers to write scripts to do things like that more than they need whizzy gui apps. :) May 09 04:29:37 * timoph thinks that's a design flaw May 09 04:29:40 It looks like oyu're struggling with an immature OS, would you like to have windows phone 7? May 09 04:30:06 This channel clearly needs some ops. May 09 04:30:40 It looks like you want ps, did you want to place a call to the firefighters association of Earth? May 09 04:30:59 its sunday night May 09 04:31:49 Anyway, enough for tonight ... more hacking tomorrow. Seeya, berndhs and timoph May 09 04:31:55 monday morning and on my way to work here :) May 09 04:32:05 take car akk May 09 04:32:28 i'm going to sleep May 09 04:32:36 bye everyone May 09 04:32:41 o/ May 09 04:32:52 night bernd May 09 04:33:00 Clippy go see a psychiatrist, its an emergency May 09 04:33:48 hi mitsutaka, linux is hardly a miracle May 09 04:36:07 hi May 09 04:38:08 morning May 09 04:38:18 Clippy: if you're here to troll, please leave May 09 04:38:32 top of the morn to ya May 09 04:38:59 Stskeeps, nice start for a week May 09 08:14:20 morning May 09 09:23:10 hello May 09 09:23:29 does anyone have problems with getaddrinfo() on meego? May 09 09:23:57 it returns loopback addresses with ai_addrconfig specified May 09 11:25:43 maninc: keep an eye out for fabo May 09 11:25:52 he's on #meego-arm a fair bit May 09 11:26:09 he owns the MeeGo community KDE project May 09 11:26:42 lbt, ok May 09 12:20:49 http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/09/thoughts-about-qt-5/ May 09 12:25:48 neat May 09 12:36:48 thiago: thanks for the link May 09 12:37:01 lars will come to meegoconf and talk about it May 09 12:37:19 thats great, except, I won't be there :( May 09 12:37:27 still time to come :-) May 09 12:37:41 no time off work unfortunately May 09 12:38:03 big release due for the end of May (when a release isn't big, I don't know) May 09 12:40:33 mandating opengl es 2.0 in compliance also makes sense now May 09 12:41:13 thiago: quick question actually. I was asked a question over the weekend and I don't know enough about Qt to be able to answer it. Does Qt have a base level of libraries that you can link to for say a server/console based program, using Qt base classes etc. i.e. make an app that won't pull in a load of GUI code but still be able to use some of the base Qt classes and frameworks. I guess something along the lines of glib May 09 12:41:32 * thiago points out to the Wayland parts too May 09 12:42:01 i saw. May 09 12:42:11 that makes me really happy May 09 12:42:36 slaine: QtCore and QtNetwork do not link to any UI libraries May 09 12:42:57 thiago: way ahead of the curve then, http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/wayland/20110430_001.jpg ;) May 09 12:43:01 * TSCHAKeee has written an app using qtcore May 09 12:43:06 cool, so yes. Thank thiago May 09 12:43:28 whoa, wayland on n900? ;) May 09 12:44:59 slaine: :-) May 09 12:45:05 Stskeeps: :-) too May 09 12:58:26 where i can found meego SDK in tar file? May 09 12:59:20 i found only package version, but cant install on my gentoo :( May 09 12:59:35 slaine: any sane distro packages them seperately as well. So you only need QtCore and QtNetwork libs, just remember to assign your "QT = core network" variable in .pro May 09 13:01:39 do we have any osc/obs tutorials for meego? May 09 13:01:48 there's the wiki ones May 09 13:03:01 * lbt looks May 09 13:04:36 They're not great. May 09 13:05:11 I found this: http://wiki.meego.com/images/Meegokickoff.pdf May 09 13:05:14 Quite helpful though May 09 13:06:41 alterego: yes, that's good May 09 13:07:21 There is quite a lot of obs/osc docs on the wiki, not particularly well organised and some are kind of confusing. May 09 13:09:32 alterego: agreed May 09 13:10:04 hmm May 09 13:10:32 What about having a wiki room at SF2011 May 09 13:10:40 print out the wiki May 09 13:10:43 reorganise it May 09 13:11:07 Bit of a waste of paper? :P May 09 13:11:10 stick it on the wall and categorise it May 09 13:11:20 alterego: nah May 09 13:11:22 But sounds like a cool project we could do in the warm up May 09 13:11:27 indeed May 09 13:11:38 I was thinking warmup day May 09 13:11:57 but if we could get a room dedicated that may be useful for the entire event May 09 13:12:05 dneary may be interested May 09 13:12:16 ? May 09 13:12:40 lbt, You have a half day with Niels, don't forget to prepare something for it May 09 13:12:50 * lbt is on it May 09 13:13:09 Yeah, "Got a free period? Why not help organise the wiki" :) May 09 13:13:10 lbt, There is the hacker room for follow-up stuff, and you have the "workshop" space where you can make some room too May 09 13:13:20 alterego: indeed May 09 13:13:43 so dneary I meant you to look at the "print out the wiki and stick it on the wall" idea May 09 13:14:09 lbt, re wiki edit: Not sure it'll work in a conference setting, but definitely some kind of critical mass thing where people agree "yeah, that sucks", brainstorm how to make it better, and then go to town on it, could work May 09 13:14:10 although clearly some refinement may be needed ;) May 09 13:14:29 just a visualisation of the mess and structure May 09 13:14:45 having a dedicated wiki room with things on the wall May 09 13:14:59 kcroot: I think meego not have tar file, i'm in archlinux use ubuntu .deb file and convert with ABS May 09 13:14:59 lbt: would be cool if we could get a few projectors, and setup a touch interation :) May 09 13:15:02 how about a wiki QML gui and a giant touchscreen? May 09 13:15:02 :P May 09 13:15:20 i'd be part of this wiki room, sounds like a great idea May 09 13:15:29 * lbt will bring some wool, push-pins, paper and a printer as backup May 09 13:15:33 We could use say 2 or 3 projects, projecting a continuous desktop along a wall, then use some wiimotes or something to allow for pen based interation on the wall. May 09 13:15:40 s/projects/projectors May 09 13:15:58 dneary: can I hand that concept to you ? May 09 13:16:17 lbt, Hand away May 09 13:16:28 It's unlikely I'll do anything with it, though :) May 09 13:16:28 cheers mate May 09 13:16:31 meh May 09 13:16:39 who will ? May 09 13:16:44 Afraid I'm up to my ears until the conference May 09 13:16:51 lbt, Propose it on the wiki May 09 13:17:00 The nearest thing we have to a wiki editor is Dawn May 09 13:17:03 mmm ... I have 3 talks and a half-day tutorial to prep May 09 13:17:08 I don't have time to volunteer for it May 09 13:17:17 clbr: are you coming ? May 09 13:17:21 s/"on the wiki"/"on the community mailing list" May 09 13:18:05 DocScrutinizer: I remember a conversation a while ago about batteries, was it decided that if you want to have a battery stored for a long period of time, fully charging it first is a good idea? May 09 13:18:23 no May 09 13:18:32 * alterego has had too many batteries go completely dead on him recently. May 09 13:18:33 75% iirc May 09 13:18:35 recommended charge is 50% May 09 13:18:40 Okay May 09 13:18:42 Thanks May 09 13:18:44 75% also ok May 09 13:19:39 most important thing however is to not store it discharged May 09 13:19:59 and check every 3 months May 09 13:21:11 check voltage, if U <2.5V ->discard May 09 13:21:15 cripes, I've got like 8 Nokia CA-101 cables now May 09 13:21:45 o.O May 09 13:21:59 alterego: i always lose mine in weird places May 09 13:22:01 only 4 here May 09 13:22:09 Heh May 09 13:22:23 I'm very protective over my cables ^.^ May 09 13:22:37 I'd radiation tag them if I had the technology to track them ;) May 09 13:25:53 flashing N900 when you already have one plugged in is kind of fun .. May 09 13:26:06 like russian roulette May 09 13:28:22 Well, looks like I've done the right one ;) May 09 14:13:36 http://download.meego.com/live/home:/marko.saukko:/branches:/devel:/tools:/sdk:/host/ May 09 14:14:12 so that repository has the fix for madde-configurations May 09 14:14:25 so after that installing meego-sdk-armv7hl should be possible and should work as expected May 09 14:14:54 veli: ^ May 09 14:27:37 peisanen: --^ May 09 14:28:18 hi May 09 14:28:20 Sage: hmm, we are on wrong channel.. :) May 09 14:28:44 veli: ... May 09 14:28:46 * Sage hides May 09 14:28:58 is meego on the n900 usable on a regular basis or still only for testing? May 09 14:29:43 Testing. May 09 14:30:14 a shame May 09 14:30:17 :) May 09 14:31:00 when is an stable release to be expected? May 09 14:31:26 very soon May 09 14:31:49 stable doesn't mean usable though May 09 14:32:13 ok then usable :D May 09 14:32:25 That's up to you realy. May 09 14:32:37 What you class as being "usable" what your requirements are and also, if you want to help ;) May 09 14:32:43 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/ReleaseProcess/Plan May 09 14:33:04 hmm phone,mail(exchange),calendar,... May 09 14:33:32 Well, I don't think calendar is penned for DE May 09 14:33:39 Though we do have a calendar app May 09 14:33:45 tablet one didn't look too bad May 09 14:33:46 also i heard that a frind got it working on some htc device May 09 14:33:58 I don't know if Exchange support is in MeeGo May 09 14:34:01 doubt it May 09 14:34:13 srsly? May 09 14:34:15 GEEZ May 09 14:34:17 I thought evo had quite good exchange support? May 09 14:34:41 MfE is rather important for... oh... everyone May 09 14:34:49 Not me :P May 09 14:35:05 And you say everyone, but I don't think that is especially true for us hacker types .. May 09 14:35:23 well, how's the imap support looking? May 09 14:35:29 i guess i could use that instead May 09 14:35:47 i've never seen an imap client that doesn't choke on my gmail account though, not even on desktop May 09 14:35:52 I'd hope imap4 and pop3 are pretty well supported :) May 09 14:36:00 well yeah, i would too May 09 14:36:15 but experience tends to show otherwise May 09 14:36:32 That and google use a dodgy imap implementation don't they? May 09 14:36:39 i dunno May 09 14:36:50 they use a dodgy MfE implementation that's not supported on maemo May 09 14:36:52 You can find evolution-ews in some of the projects in obs like devel:enterprise, but it doesn't come in the default image releases. May 09 14:36:59 but it works fine on symbian May 09 14:37:03 Oh, maybe it's MfE then May 09 14:37:25 ali1234: i'm slightly happier after i started striving for zero mails in inbox May 09 14:37:29 i even managed to sync caledar with it May 09 14:37:35 oh i do that too May 09 14:37:35 Hah May 09 14:37:41 i get about 2 mails in inbox a week May 09 14:37:45 everything goes in folders May 09 14:37:59 but the crappy imap client in maemo still tried to download all the folders every time i connected May 09 14:38:08 that's like 7 GB of mail May 09 14:38:13 I should set something like that .. May 09 14:38:23 up May 09 14:38:44 basically only important stuff goes in inbox May 09 14:38:52 and that's the only stuff i want to see on my phone May 09 14:39:03 don't want to see all the folder clutter, that can wait May 09 14:41:24 I should have got screen protectors for my N900 from the get go. These are good. May 09 14:42:29 ew May 09 14:42:36 my n900 has no scratches May 09 14:42:49 that's quality hardware for you, not like that htc stuff May 09 14:43:01 The N900 ts is very scratch prone May 09 14:43:11 well..... not mine May 09 14:43:14 (never give it to your women to put in her hand bag) May 09 14:43:57 Did anything ever happen with the generic-x86 build btw ? May 09 14:43:59 i carried it around in pocket with keys for best part of a year May 09 14:44:06 no scratches, nothing May 09 14:44:12 looks like new basically May 09 14:44:24 slaine: no... want to manage it ? May 09 14:44:25 I'm somewhat skeptical :P May 09 14:44:30 Are your keys plastic? :P May 09 14:44:40 lbt, if I had the time I'd have looked at it by now May 09 14:44:51 exactly... May 09 14:44:59 little or no hobby time since meegoconf :( May 09 14:45:07 getting really itchy to do stuff May 09 14:46:48 hello..:) May 09 14:46:58 Hello people...:) i am trying to locate the VcfCards of my nokia900 through Xterm help ? May 09 14:47:00 slaine: is that the non-SSSE3 build? May 09 14:48:39 gabrbedd: yeah, that's it May 09 14:48:52 base it on i686 and sse2 instead May 09 14:49:23 is this the channel for getting to know the n900 through command line...:)...? May 09 14:49:28 N900_VcfCards: no :P May 09 14:49:42 slaine: get a obs and it's fairly trivial May 09 14:50:04 i just "wold" like to hit direct inside the drive, if i can modify the contacts May 09 14:50:17 export, amaylise, re-import May 09 14:50:21 analyse May 09 14:50:36 Stskeeps: getting an obs was the issue, didn't work when I last tried it and didn't have the time to follow up on it May 09 14:50:37 slaine: i did ~20 lines of mods to toolchains and am building a armv6+vfp-hardfp meego build on a shitty machine May 09 14:50:41 oops though you were answering May 09 14:50:43 am out May 09 14:50:44 takes a week for arm May 09 14:50:45 :) May 09 14:50:45 :P May 09 14:51:00 Stskeeps: If i get some time I'll give you a poke May 09 16:24:49 DawnFoster, Just got on the call May 09 16:25:24 re: We could use say 2 or 3 projects, projecting a continuous desktop along a wall, then use some wiimotes or something to allow for pen based interation on the wall. -- anybody doing this?? I got wiimote working nicely on my netbook http://nielsmayer.com/meego/wmgui-for-wiimote-and-nunchuk-via-bluetooth-on-meegolem.png May 09 16:29:30 npm: Proper wiimote support is GSoC project in BlueZ this year. May 09 16:30:30 seems to be properly supported by using an external app -- wminput May 09 16:31:22 aka, i can use it as a mouse, or remote control aleady May 09 16:31:53 on meego 1.2 May 09 16:32:04 too bad the lenovo s10-3t doesn't have hdmi out May 09 16:32:38 but then again it also would need crystalhd card too May 09 16:33:55 npm: yes, there are some implementation, but if we move it to the kernel is a way better. May 09 16:34:27 definitely... would be nice if it showed up in the bluetooth panel on the netbook too May 09 16:34:58 http://abstrakraft.org/cwiid/ ends up bypassing all that in order to deal w/ the wii's weird pairing protocol May 09 16:44:51 the host of MeeGoBot will undergo some maintenance, we apologize for the inconvenience. May 09 17:47:18 Might as well probe this generally: who here has a WeTab tablet (not an ExoPC)? Can you send me the contents of /sys/class/dmi/id/modalias on it? May 09 18:17:13 andyross: i have one somewhere in the office May 09 18:19:04 Cool. Bonus points if you can tell me if it exhibits the "boot hang" issue in bug 17161 May 09 18:19:07 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17161 nor, Undecided, ---, andy.ross, NEW, Booting pauses for ~98 seconds May 09 18:19:23 andyross: will check when u find May 09 20:51:57 thiago, reading the thoughts on qt5 May 09 20:52:03 http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/09/thoughts-about-qt-5/ May 09 20:53:09 looks good indeed May 09 20:55:53 gabrbedd, the bugs you highlighted on friday are best fit on thursday triage May 09 20:58:42 lcuk: http://twitter.com/stskeeps/statuses/67693479941259265 May 09 20:59:48 Stskeeps, sure thing May 09 21:00:08 gabrbedd is creating a device built atop of meego which has a specific purpose though May 09 21:00:23 a table's a able May 09 21:00:24 table May 09 21:00:25 :P May 09 21:02:14 * Stskeeps ponders idly why Hilton LAX is following him on twitter. May 09 21:03:19 Stskeeps, so, just like the rest of openness and infinity, how do you sell that without specifying features and use cases? May 09 21:03:58 the indamixx meego tablet has a real use case for mobile musicians May 09 21:04:15 and ontop of that it can do everything else! May 09 21:04:15 lcuk: Thanks! I'll stock up on coffee :-) (2AM) May 09 21:05:03 gabrbedd, I am simply impressed you have a real product from meego to a real audience May 09 21:05:22 in other news May 09 21:05:23 and highlighting that should hopefully give others incentives :) May 09 21:05:33 "More like ceoStephenElop: PeterMeeGo May 09 21:05:35 Peter Schneider" May 09 21:06:42 Stskeeps, where is that line from? May 09 21:06:52 Peter has not tweeted in a while May 09 21:07:04 http://twitter.com/ceoStephenElop had it for a sec :P May 09 21:07:25 heh May 09 21:07:42 lcuk: :-) thanks. May 09 21:07:59 lcuk: If I had my way, it wouldn't even be announced, yet. May 09 21:08:26 lcuk: Hopefully, there's other products still under the radar. Ones that will be revealed around MeeGoCofn. May 09 21:09:56 A MeeGoCoffin! connectivity from the beyond! May 09 21:10:31 akk: MeeGo is already a zombie os May 09 21:10:36 so why not ;) May 09 21:16:00 Maybe LG will jumpstart something. May 09 21:16:15 Otherwise this is all looking a bit academic. :P May 09 21:18:07 Stskeeps, from your post "upgrade-able and backwards compatible" May 09 21:18:23 academic is paper prototypes May 09 21:18:27 are the handset builds upgradable? May 09 21:18:29 meego's a -little- further ahead than that May 09 21:18:40 lcuk: in sense of 'able to install new build' May 09 21:18:54 without having to redo all data May 09 21:18:57 ? May 09 21:19:25 Stskeeps: hahaha (re: peter) May 09 21:20:28 I saw the touchscreen checkin system on the wall at the doctors being taught to be used by an old dude today May 09 21:21:15 he will need same instructions next time no doubt May 09 21:21:18 akk: Stskeeps: Hey, vampires are all the rage these days. May 09 21:25:05 is there any icon/template/graphical stuff for developing apps for MeeGo ? May 09 21:25:38 ui template .. May 09 21:26:02 maour: might be able to get some basics from the theme, it has a psd May 09 21:26:07 meego.gitorious.org, click meego ux May 09 21:26:22 nice May 09 21:26:27 will try May 09 21:27:10 maour, what kind of things are you thinking? May 09 21:27:14 and are you developing in qt? May 09 21:28:00 Stskeeps, do you know how usable the galaxy tab got to? May 09 21:28:10 one of my mates was playing on one over the weekend May 09 21:28:16 no, ask lardman/lilstevie May 09 21:28:21 and it has a very reasonable ux May 09 21:28:37 Hi, for some reason it says I'm banned from #meego-dev, but I've never been on there before May 09 21:28:42 but like most similar, awash with icons May 09 21:28:55 jefferai: we shut down meego-dev May 09 21:29:03 most developer discussions happen here May 09 21:29:06 Ah, ok May 09 21:29:15 or meego-sdk if you are working on sdk stuff May 09 21:29:17 however, DawnFoster is opening #meego-bake in its place :P May 09 21:29:19 lcuk: some icons for example for back / forward / home / .. stuffs like this http://glyphish.com/ May 09 21:29:26 lcuk: ha! :) May 09 21:29:32 I'm trying to set up a development environment -- I've fixed some bugs with meego-sdk-update-target, but now it's having trouble at a step where it runs mad-admin create May 09 21:29:40 lcuk: yes, i'm using QML May 09 21:29:49 it uses the wrong file and so then says it cannot find the toolchain file May 09 21:30:05 maour, if you use meego iconography embedded in your app, are you sure it is then deployable on other oses? May 09 21:30:43 ie, if you install the same qml app onto maemo or windows or something May 09 21:31:08 lcuk: nope ! :p May 09 21:31:36 it says: Can not find '/usr/lib64/madde/linux-x86_64/cache/meego-1.2-sdk-ia32-toolchain-1.0-linux_x86_64.tar.gz' -- no such file. May 09 21:31:42 I noticed that problem after using a specific font only available on specific os May 09 21:31:44 it's correct -- that 1.0 in there should be 1.2 May 09 21:31:44 lcuk: just wanted to know if there is any and take a look on them May 09 21:31:54 but I'm not really sure where to go about fixing this problem May 09 21:31:57 Fonts annoy me, May 09 21:32:02 Why can't we just have one May 09 21:32:04 "monospace" :P May 09 21:32:05 lcuk: maybe using different Visual on my App May 09 21:32:53 alterego, :) start to see everything in your own handwriting May 09 21:33:21 alterego, philistine. May 09 21:33:34 (also: that's why engineers aren't allowed to do design) May 09 21:33:54 :) May 09 21:34:06 a design by an egineer might actually work, we can't have that in the design world May 09 21:34:42 Heh May 09 21:40:31 looking at: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Status#DE_N900_feature_status_template_.28Under_construction.29 May 09 21:41:11 it looks manually generated each day May 09 21:41:17 err week May 09 21:42:21 lcuk: you could have posted that in -handset as well :P May 09 21:42:36 If I wasn't doing a final flick through IRC I would have missed that gem :) May 09 21:42:58 well sure alterego, #meego-handset has been a hive of activity this evening May 09 21:43:06 \o/ May 09 21:43:13 :) May 09 21:43:48 are these side channels logged? May 09 21:44:51 <__key__> sup May 09 21:45:28 lcuk: doesn't look like it May 09 21:45:37 Maybe talk to Stskeeps? May 09 21:45:47 file a bug if it's note, assign to me May 09 21:46:07 Stskeeps, I might actually file a bug to get searchable logs May 09 21:46:10 Are all the logs under mg.pov.lt? May 09 21:46:14 no May 09 21:46:14 rather than just the logs May 09 21:46:30 Anyway ... bedtime :D May 09 21:46:36 \o May 09 21:46:41 for the third time May 09 21:47:30 the reason I pasted the status thing for n900-de May 09 21:47:44 is that there is a bug hunting fixing drive on May 09 21:48:48 now I might try and take a peek at: Camera (meegocamera) Still image capture May 09 21:48:50 tomorrow May 09 21:50:18 hey Stskeeps, nice pics in that presentation :) May 09 21:50:33 vgrade: i do credit you, not sure if it's visible on video May 09 21:50:48 maybe it's obvious, but what size of an sd card would you suggest to use for playing around with the n900-de version? May 09 21:50:55 merlin1991: 4gb or bigger, class 6 May 09 21:50:58 or higher May 09 21:52:04 Stskeeps, just read the pdf so far, thanks for the mention May 09 21:52:17 hey vgrade \o May 09 21:52:29 lcuk, evening May 09 21:52:57 Stskeeps, I wish I could be showing the Tegra off in Sf May 09 21:53:08 were you going to sf? May 09 21:53:32 No, it clashes with some family stuff May 09 21:53:52 k May 09 21:54:20 If you see anyone from nVidia please send them my way May 09 21:54:55 cargo or passenger class? May 09 22:01:12 : May 09 22:01:23 :) May 09 22:05:15 * lcuk half expected "upload source" link on the build.pub.meego.com portal for some reason May 09 22:14:56 lcuk: there is one May 09 22:15:34 * TSCHAKeee uploaded his first bit of stuff to OBS that way May 09 22:15:38 before I installed osc May 09 22:15:39 I found it lbt, creating a new package now to follow around May 10 01:36:06 hello guys, how can I request the creation of a new maillist in the meego infra / May 10 01:36:16 ? May 10 01:40:16 RodrigoPadula: you can ask in the meego-community mailing list May 10 01:45:04 berndhs, there is the best option ? May 10 01:45:44 i dont know, I just see these "can we have a new mailing list" mails go by about once a week there :) May 10 01:49:20 RodrigoPadula: what's it for ? May 10 01:52:15 for our pt_BR translation team May 10 01:53:10 and a second one for meego related discussions in pt_BR May 10 01:54:26 I predict that some people will say you can use the MeeGo-il10n list :) May 10 01:54:47 don't know if that makes any sense or not, but some people will say it May 10 01:56:00 you've looked at this page http://lists.meego.com/mailman/listinfo ? May 10 02:10:15 yes, but I didnt find the lists admin email May 10 02:10:33 the list il10n is only for emails in english May 10 02:10:42 we need a list to discuss in the local language May 10 02:11:01 right, that was my guess May 10 02:11:10 berndhs, anyway, thanks, I will try to contact someone there May 10 02:11:21 the language is a barrier May 10 02:11:26 meego-community is the appropriate place to ask May 10 02:11:40 so we need to create local infra to keep non english speakers involved May 10 02:11:46 I think it makes sense to have a new list, but I don't really count :) May 10 02:11:54 yes, I will send one message now May 10 02:12:00 ;-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 10 02:59:58 2011