**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 12 02:59:58 2011 May 12 04:33:17 morning May 12 06:40:03 so I was looking at qt quick yesterday, how do I get a package and ensure it is installable? May 12 06:42:04 help May 12 06:42:10 anyone here familiar w/ the conference web site? May 12 06:44:02 * timeless_w7ip frowns May 12 06:44:14 so... May 12 06:44:25 the conference wants registration wants some info May 12 06:44:52 like , , , and May 12 06:45:02 by the time of the conference, i won't have any of those ... May 12 06:45:28 * timeless_w7ip currently doesn't have an Org and while the Work Phone is now just a Phone, it will be nothing by the time we reach the conference May 12 06:50:07 morning May 12 06:50:17 morn Termana May 12 06:50:35 Termana: think you got hit by a facebook virus or you're more insane than i thought ;) May 12 06:50:47 Stskeeps, heh yeah, sorry about that ;) May 12 06:51:27 I was in the middle of deleting them when Facebook just went and cleaned them all up from everywhere. At least they are fast :p May 12 06:51:29 stskeeps: hrm May 12 06:51:34 * timeless_w7ip needs to figure out this facebook thing May 12 06:59:15 wow, facebook's friend finder is really not very finger friendly if you try to drag its scrollbar south May 12 07:12:02 hi all May 12 07:12:14 how can I help the amazin Tablet project? May 12 07:12:43 write many qt quick applications! May 12 07:12:47 :) May 12 07:12:57 Well, I want to fix some bugs: May 12 07:13:08 1) Vkb blocking the way May 12 07:13:18 2) ajax browsing, facebook and gmail is no go May 12 07:13:26 3) email app is NOT working May 12 07:13:36 but the release is a m a z i n g May 12 07:13:38 ! May 12 07:13:43 So enjoyable to browse the web, May 12 07:13:47 does youtube work? May 12 07:13:49 you can't use facebook or gmail, and it's amazing? May 12 07:13:51 use twitter (though chromium) May 12 07:13:52 * timeless_w7ip puzzles May 12 07:13:57 you tube works excellently! May 12 07:14:07 can you at least use /. and news.google.com (including fast-flip)? May 12 07:14:11 lcuk: but not on full screen, which disappointed mom when she wanted to watch telenovelas May 12 07:14:14 (including moderation for /. ..) May 12 07:14:22 timeless_w7ip: what's fast flip? May 12 07:14:32 did not try to log into news.g.c or /. May 12 07:14:40 but book reading is fun May 12 07:14:41 sivang: load news.google.com and select us edition if you don't see fast flip May 12 07:14:51 it should be near the bottom of the right column May 12 07:14:56 Not with the tablet UX now, on my other laptop with Ubuntu May 12 07:15:28 well, you can check now just to recognize it and get a feel for what it should do May 12 07:15:32 okay May 12 07:15:34 let me do that May 12 07:15:37 timeless_w7ip: nice to see you here, btw May 12 07:15:51 timeless_w7ip: I'm not that lucky to meet you in SF or are you coming? May 12 07:16:32 i'm coming May 12 07:16:41 timeless_w7ip: yay! May 12 07:16:42 i'm not employed now and won't be then May 12 07:16:45 but i'm coming May 12 07:16:50 not employed?? May 12 07:16:51 heck, i won't have a residence May 12 07:17:01 yeah, i left nokia May 12 07:17:02 * sivang O__o's May 12 07:17:07 timeless_w7ip: on your own will? May 12 07:17:09 ah May 12 07:17:11 I se May 12 07:17:16 timeless_w7ip: coming back to the states? May 12 07:17:38 timeless_w7ip: if you want to take a vacation and come visit here, you have where to stay you know.. May 12 07:17:41 i'm moving to toronto actually May 12 07:17:52 timeless_w7ip: ah great May 12 07:18:03 * sivang wish he could hang out in toronto for a while May 12 07:18:38 timeless_w7ip: I wll visit my friend's family in Montreal right after, I was ther for the Ubutu conference 2005 but now finally for some leisure! :-) May 12 07:18:55 timeless_w7ip: e.g. they are my lodging May 12 07:20:30 timeless_w7ip: so we can sit with Mats and perhaps others on having UI guildlines and the compliance spec embody quality lessons May 12 07:20:36 timeless_w7ip: I should file a BOF May 12 07:21:07 timeless_w7ip: texrat also said he's interested, see meego-communiy May 12 07:22:08 sorry, i need to sell my apartment and catalog it May 12 07:22:14 sure thing May 12 07:22:22 timeless_w7ip: let me know when you can skype/ chat wha'ever May 12 07:31:52 mmeeks: hello May 12 07:32:06 so how can we fix the problem in gmail where scrolling is not possible due to non free web page real estate? May 12 07:32:30 or perhaps that's not the issue, since on regular chormium with only touch support enabled it works, albeit squicky May 12 07:34:18 thiago: helloa :-) May 12 07:35:29 hey thiago May 12 07:37:43 sivang: does it work in Fennec? :) May 12 07:37:59 timeless_w7ip: I never tried..:/ May 12 08:14:54 surely that's a tractable problem :) May 12 08:15:43 lcuk: thanks for the advice... I'm going back to bed! May 12 10:18:55 hi there is a intel/meego event in paris now, any one there ? May 12 11:45:00 hello May 12 11:45:08 hi May 12 11:45:30 hi May 12 11:45:58 HI I have set up OBS as per steps on the wiki , I am getting the following error on my webui Error 503 Message: Unable to connect to API host. (localhost) can somebody help May 12 11:48:41 I have a question what camera MeeGo 1.1 support?Thankyou May 12 11:50:41 I have a question what camera MeeGo 1.1 support?Thankyou May 12 11:50:53 i'd assume if the camera has v4l drivers, its supported by meego ? May 12 11:54:01 Who used camera by usb? May 12 11:55:16 I want use camera on the meego 1.1? May 12 11:56:54 Who used camera by usb? I want use camera on the meego 1.1? May 12 11:57:06 no need to repeat your question May 12 11:58:07 * CosmoHill offers Stskeeps some of his easter egg May 12 12:02:06 Who used camera by usb? I want use camera on the meego 1.1? May 12 12:02:38 han__: please do not repeat your question. usb camera works fine but you may have to build kernel drivers for it yourself May 12 12:03:33 Thankyou May 12 12:06:44 how can I get apt-get to ignore the dependencies of something? May 12 12:07:35 wrong channel May 12 12:07:38 nevermind May 12 12:07:44 man apt-get or apt-get --help May 12 12:07:54 lol May 12 12:08:29 * CosmoHill makes a mental note to link "woman" to "man" on his distro May 12 12:10:10 use usb camera , after build kernel drivers , how to package it into an image?thankyou May 12 12:10:40 han__: mic2 program May 12 12:14:34 thankyou May 12 12:17:25 http://dgui.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/nokia-n9n950-leaks-with-hexband-3g/ May 12 12:17:44 rumours and such, #meego-bar, please May 12 12:18:20 ok sure May 12 12:20:09 Hey, that is official FCC filing, no rumor May 12 12:20:56 * RST38h knows he will be one, even given its deadborn status May 12 12:21:03 s.be.get May 12 12:37:06 RST38h: bar , well this article does not worth to be shared May 12 13:27:56 * dm8tbr grumbles about b0rken site connectivity today May 12 14:53:51 I'm having far too much fun doing my draft slides for the conference May 12 14:54:30 not that I have any content to put into them, but designing what background to use is hilarious May 12 14:56:15 who needs content when you have style :) May 12 14:57:01 yeah, I think I might ask Texrat to design me a pink unicorn meegon May 12 14:57:48 Myrtti: OMG! Ponies! May 12 14:58:09 indeed! May 12 14:58:36 was already making a background using cc-licenced pink unicorn cookies as an eyecatcher May 12 14:58:43 but it looked a bit lame May 12 14:59:18 Reminds me of a couple years ago on 4/1 when slashdot switched to a pink-and-white ponies theme for the day. May 12 14:59:47 http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Unicorn_Law May 12 15:00:48 although the last part of the definition doesn't apply in this case May 12 15:04:34 Ha -- that's so true. May 12 15:08:01 gabrbedd, you think of cuteoverload.com ;-) May 12 15:08:26 AFAIK, that was the /. theme May 12 15:14:23 mikhas_: haha -- my daughter might like that site. :-) May 12 15:40:20 gabrbedd, did you get your bugs triaged? May 12 15:43:02 lcuk: Not sure what it means to be 'triaged' -- but I think so. May 12 15:43:14 lcuk: They recommended I propose them as release blockers (which I did) May 12 15:43:21 good May 12 15:43:50 lcuk: So those bugs are getting more action today. Also Kimmo (an mcompositor dev) has been very helpful in private e-mails. May 12 15:44:05 lcuk: Thanks again for your advice. :-) May 12 15:45:38 lcuk: I'm also starting to explore alternate WM's. May 12 15:45:46 gabrbedd, hope you can return the favour at some point, I really like that you have started to build hw+sw combo May 12 15:45:56 gabrbedd, liqbase is good for that :O May 12 15:46:09 * lcuk dd's the latest n900-de image May 12 15:46:52 lcuk: As a general-purpose window manager? May 12 15:47:44 no, there isn't everything working in it but good enough for playing May 12 15:48:30 lcuk: That's very cool. May 12 15:48:35 I did it early on when I got my ideapad but it is simpler to keep standard ux May 12 15:49:00 how does tablet ux handle opening/closing the lid? May 12 15:49:07 or does your device not have one? May 12 15:51:44 lcuk: My device is a tablet. I haven't spent much time with the MeeGo UX on my ideapad. May 12 15:58:07 hey, how do i get a module to load at boot in meego? May 12 15:59:16 udev May 12 16:00:15 gandhijee: A kernel module? May 12 16:00:47 yeah, i thought i could just make a file inside /etc/modprobe.d/ with the module name in it and that would be enough May 12 16:00:53 but apparently its not May 12 16:02:36 gandhijee: See Stskeeps's answer. If that fails... putting a modprobe command in /etc/rc.local is a quick-and-easy hack. May 12 16:02:50 where is stskeeps answer? May 12 16:02:56 oh udev May 12 16:03:00 sorry. May 12 16:29:17 Stskeeps: can you enlighten me on how to use udev to load a module at boot? May 12 16:29:30 gandhijee: generally, use the philosophy of autodetection May 12 16:29:48 but in truth, your board description/bus should autodetect the device May 12 16:29:49 in kernel May 12 16:29:57 Stskeeps: well this module isn't for hardware, it generates some funky data for me May 12 16:30:02 ah May 12 16:30:16 why not compile it in, then? May 12 16:30:18 i guess i could put some random id in there maybe May 12 16:30:37 gandhijee: are you planning on shipping this module to customer(s)? May 12 16:30:45 gabrbedd: yes May 12 16:31:52 gandhijee: Is this for a specific device? May 12 16:32:12 no you can use it on anything May 12 16:33:11 OK, you'll need to learn how to write a udev rule (These are in... if I recall correct... /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/) May 12 16:33:40 You'll want to provide your own file in that folder, with a rule that always fires. May 12 16:34:11 In the action, you can load the module or fire off some kind of config script. May 12 16:34:19 There's plenty of examples in there. May 12 17:09:06 Backing up, I'm with Stskeeps: if you want the module loaded always, why isn't it compiled in? What does it do? May 12 17:15:53 andyross: I can see doing it as a module so that you can load/unload it for debugging or disable it as a workaround to a customer issue.. May 12 17:16:15 For one... it means the dev and the customer are working on the same thing. May 12 17:16:26 Fair enough. I guess it depends on what it does. May 12 17:17:03 there are modules that need to be reloaded for certain reasons May 12 17:17:38 e.g. musb_hdrc on certain OMAP3 hardware is preferably reloaded with the right personality May 12 17:17:48 as auto mode is b0rken May 12 17:28:26 gabrbedd: thanks May 12 17:29:43 gandhijee: np May 12 17:36:04 hi friends May 12 17:36:17 \o May 12 17:36:24 :D May 12 17:36:42 howdy! May 12 17:36:49 Didn't I drink you last night? May 12 17:37:16 lol hopefully, green tea is awesome May 12 17:37:22 definitely healthy May 12 17:37:35 I just think it's tasty. :-) May 12 17:37:47 i need some coffee :P May 12 17:38:10 one of if not the most healthiest drink in the world,check out this list http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5560171 May 12 17:38:20 really neat stuff, wish all drank it :) May 12 17:40:33 lcuk: Have you done much XComposite coding? May 12 17:47:07 what window manager does MeeGo use? I know that the netbook ux uses mutter, but what about the others? May 12 17:48:49 Venemo: mcompositor, some used matchbox May 12 17:49:41 I heard that IVI used/uses matchbox, but switch/is-switching-to mcompositor May 12 17:50:40 gabrbedd, nope, whats the boggle with it? May 12 17:51:23 Isn't mcompositor part of MTF? I heard that MTF is deprecated May 12 17:53:52 it'll go away with wayland, I expect May 12 17:54:14 lcuk: XCompositeUnredirectWindow() says it gives a BadValue error if the window wasn't already redirected. I wasn't sure if that was an OMG! error... or a "ho, hum" error. May 12 17:55:20 w00t_, is wayland ready yet for that? May 12 17:55:48 Venemo: right now? no, but it's maturing pretty fast May 12 17:56:18 maturing like PackageKit? May 12 17:56:40 w00t_, what is missing from it? May 12 17:56:49 Venemo: MTF is deprecated, and I heard Arjan say "Well, for 1.2 we're stuck with mcompositor." So, dunno what 1.3 will look like. Depends on how mcompositor matures. May 12 17:57:10 gabrbedd, and what WM does Intel's UX use? May 12 17:57:15 Venemo: I've also heard that wayland isn't expected to be stable for 1.3 May 12 17:57:34 AFAIK, every UX in MeeGo uses mcompositor -- except for netbook. May 12 17:57:35 meego-ux uses mcompositor, though it's a forked package called "meego-ux-compositor" May 12 17:57:49 thanks gabrbedd & andyross May 12 17:58:06 and is there some API documentation of this mcompositor? May 12 17:58:15 andyross: when did the fork happen? May 12 17:58:31 Pretty recently. I noticed it early this week, but didn't track back. May 12 17:58:39 Venemo: it's a window manager - it doesn't have an API May 12 17:58:47 w00t_, it's a library May 12 17:58:55 mcompositor is not a library May 12 17:59:01 it's an application May 12 17:59:06 andyross: ok. I'm working on a build from last week, and I was pretty sure it was meegotouch-compositor. Thanks for the update. May 12 17:59:14 w00t_, TEMPLATE = lib in its .pro file pretty much means that it's a library, doesn't it? May 12 17:59:48 was hildon-desktop's library a library? May 12 17:59:52 Venemo: /usr/bin/mcompositor is a stub, and all the functionality is in /usr/lib/mcompositor.so.0 May 12 18:00:04 der... libmcompositor.so.0 May 12 18:00:07 aah. May 12 18:00:10 http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=meego-ux-compositor&project=Trunk shows that it appeared early last week. I saw Rusty fix a bug in it just today. I'm not sure whether meego-ux images are using it yet or not. May 12 18:00:17 I don't think it's /intended/ to be a public library. May 12 18:00:36 mhm May 12 18:01:17 Pretty sure that library is/was for sharing with the decorator plugins. It's not a window behavior thing. May 12 18:01:33 (note that the decorator facility was yanked from meego-ux-compositor) May 12 18:03:01 mhm May 12 18:24:30 DawnFoster, Ping? May 12 18:25:20 dneary: do you know when we find out who we're sharing rooms with? May 12 18:29:08 alterego, If you made a choice on the accommodation webpage then that's final, otherwise people were paired up randomly based on arrival & departure dates last time - I found out on the desk, IIRC May 12 18:34:03 dneary: okay thanks, I just didn't want to choose so I thought I'd leave it to entropy ;) May 12 18:54:58 alterego: Entropy is going to kill you. May 12 18:55:04 It's going to kill us all. May 12 18:55:28 * CosmoHill flees May 12 18:56:25 the faster you run, the sooner Entropy will kill you May 12 18:56:39 * CosmoHill stops for dinner May 12 19:02:56 Heh May 12 19:03:12 I like to be the eye of entropy akin to the storm. May 12 19:03:29 "I am a leaf in the wind, see how I soar" May 12 19:04:11 Jaffa: I want a buddy to meet up when we land to go with to the hotel? You up for meeting up at SFO when we touch down? May 12 19:05:11 bluegriffon runs nicely on meego: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem-Firefox4#Setup_Firefox4-based_BlueGriffon_Web_Editor_Too May 12 19:12:55 I just filed a bug 17524 regarding QML in peregrine missing a pan to desktop, did I use the correct term to describe the issue? May 12 19:12:58 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17524 nor, Undecided, ---, james.ausmus, NEW, [N900 DE] Peregrine QML UI does not have "Pan to desktop" May 12 19:15:45 lcuk: Ah! That bug again! May 12 19:15:56 lcuk: does an image appear for the window switcher button? May 12 19:17:06 nope May 12 19:19:57 luck: no window title. no window close button? May 12 19:20:12 gabrbedd, yes it has a custom button May 12 19:23:58 lcuk: is this the same as bug 2953 ? May 12 19:24:00 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2953 nor, High, ---, jesse.barnes, REOP, Many third-party Apps' window (i.e. glxgears, xterm) is not working in the fullscreen mode May 12 19:24:34 lcuk: Or more like the other one where the status bar doesn't route your click to the app. close? May 12 19:24:59 FWIW, on tablet UX... it's mandated that the task switcher be triggered by a hardware button. No UI stuff. May 12 19:40:21 gabrbedd, sounds reasonable, but here on n900 it is normal to have the soft button in top left May 12 19:43:24 IMO the hw button requirement is simply a mistake May 12 19:43:30 http://imgur.com/c5YKo made me giggle May 12 19:43:46 timoph, the one that works from proximity sensor is silly May 12 19:43:54 the n810 had a perfect hardware button combo May 12 19:44:32 yep. but most of the things were possible from UI too May 12 19:45:15 IIRC full screen toggle was the only thing not possible from ui May 12 19:45:18 timoph, as soon as we see wall mounted devices the placement of these buttons will be more important May 12 19:45:33 gorilla arm and having to reach to the top of the screen will be an issue May 12 19:45:45 yep May 12 19:46:59 my old x41 had hardware buttons in bottom left May 12 19:47:50 oh nice, the -de has arrived at white screen May 12 19:47:55 * lcuk scratches head May 12 19:48:08 I not saying there shouldn't be any hw keys. I'm saying that their functions should be possible from ui too May 12 19:48:37 I have UI which expects buttons in different places May 12 19:48:37 lcuk: did that for me a couple times today. It recovered after a while May 12 19:48:58 short pressing power button got to lock screen, but unlocking still leaves the white screen May 12 19:49:05 errr pale blue May 12 19:49:11 * lcuk thinks problem is QML May 12 19:49:30 something like QDialog does with standard buttons? Their order changes based to match the used system May 12 19:50:22 timoph, yeah that would be practical May 12 19:50:42 but for fullscreen dialogs with scrollbars and other misc border chrome May 12 19:50:57 does meego have a docmaster for the wiki? May 12 19:51:11 andre__: AFAIK no May 12 19:51:16 don't believe so May 12 19:51:17 * lcuk wonders who would be qualified May 12 19:51:29 what does a doc master do? May 12 19:51:46 CosmoHill, unfuck the wiki, for example May 12 19:51:55 well, I just run into awesome file names, like "L10n meeting summary 19 March", "L10N IRC Meeting March 19, 2010" and "L10N meeting 3 19". Yes, all three of them actually exist. May 12 19:52:12 language, people May 12 19:52:18 * andre__ adds it to his to-do list May 12 19:52:26 DawnFoster, ach... :) May 12 19:52:39 :) May 12 19:52:39 apart from revision I have a lot of spare time May 12 19:52:46 I expected that I could maybe delegate it :-P May 12 19:52:56 so I might have a look about the wiki if you'd like / supply me with tea] May 12 19:53:04 and chocolate digestives May 12 19:53:21 hmm, yummy... May 12 19:53:50 not that I have more too complain about right now, but I guess there are enough dark corners existing May 12 19:54:17 one of the first things I did for meego was correct the who's who list May 12 19:58:07 * gabrbedd thinks DawnFoster has a dirty word detector on her IRC client... May 12 19:58:13 :) May 12 19:58:26 ha! it would seem like I do May 12 19:58:31 I just have funny timing :) May 12 19:58:37 #whatCommunityManagersDo May 12 19:58:37 gabrbedd: Error: "whatCommunityManagersDo" is not a valid command. May 12 19:58:49 bass: Who asked you? May 12 19:58:54 #whatCommunityManagersDo May 12 19:59:50 I think my community manager spidey sense kicks in when someone swears May 12 20:00:04 poopoo May 12 20:00:04 I get an uncontrollable urge to look at irc May 12 20:00:17 ha! May 12 20:00:23 "sausage." May 12 20:00:36 (that's nothing compared to what I called my mate last night) May 12 20:00:47 "nakki" May 12 20:04:10 thiago_home: ping May 12 20:04:38 andre__: so basically a dude(tte) who goes through the wiki looking for stupid things to clear up? May 12 20:14:04 CosmoHill, more than that. May 12 20:14:19 go on May 12 20:15:34 Well, that also includes things like outlining structure, deciding docs conventions, delegating admins, facilitating contributors, etc, etc. May 12 20:18:52 Stskeeps: pong May 12 20:19:12 thiago_home: nm, sent mail about 323 (wasn't sure if you had any proposals for when to put it) May 12 20:19:25 I do. There's a perfect slot for it. May 12 20:20:17 ok May 12 20:25:36 hi May 12 20:26:03 hello May 12 20:26:30 i m back from french solutionlinux event May 12 20:26:36 with a nice lenovo gift May 12 20:26:41 hehe May 12 20:26:45 remember to install meego on it ;) May 12 20:27:06 it s already installed on it May 12 20:27:21 install a weekly image May 12 20:27:29 the preinstalled one sux May 12 20:27:34 okay May 12 20:27:41 but i have a more important things to do May 12 20:27:48 it s a US computer, with US plug :) May 12 20:27:54 hehe May 12 20:28:00 the adaptor is easy to find, afaik May 12 20:28:08 yup, just have to find one May 12 20:28:15 sure. I just took one of my 16 million matching spare cables May 12 20:28:25 screw adaptors May 12 20:28:31 got a new power adapter for my mac and it comes with a very nice cable that has a US plug on it May 12 20:28:34 it's a standard cable May 12 20:29:41 not standard in france :) May 12 20:30:14 US plugs tend not to be standard outside of the US May 12 20:30:27 they asked us to port our game www.ryzom.com not sure it ll be easy to make it working on embeded devices :) May 12 20:31:03 CosmoHill: indeed May 12 20:33:50 ace: you misunderstand, look at the _other_ end of the cable May 12 20:34:01 the one that plugs into this black brick May 12 20:34:07 that is a standard connector May 12 20:34:35 dm8tbr: "duh" May 12 20:34:39 just pull it out of the black brick, throw away the cable with the US connector and get one that matches your connections May 12 20:34:53 dm8tbr: http://www.1st-product.com/uploads/4/1971/ul-power-cord-set-2-888.jpg May 12 20:35:06 dm8tbr: the female one yes May 12 20:35:19 just a standard cloverleaf connector May 12 20:35:29 it's not a cloverleaf May 12 20:35:30 ace: do you need to worry about the voltage? May 12 20:35:34 gabrbedd, I notice you are still having odd problems with the compositor. I gather the issues you noticed would actually have same problem using the netbook ux? May 12 20:35:34 it only has two poles May 12 20:35:45 CosmoHill: no it s 220v here in france May 12 20:36:31 look at the brick, it will tolerate 220v May 12 20:36:49 yup May 12 20:37:04 unplug it from the laptop, plug it into the extention lead outside and find out May 12 20:37:11 in france we use http://clip2net.com/clip/m9195/1305232484-clip-3kb.jpg May 12 20:37:20 and it doesn't enter in the "black brick" May 12 20:38:07 be a man, cut the cord, un-isolate the wires and plug them in May 12 20:38:18 ace: that's a figure of 8 May 12 20:38:28 ace: you should be able to buy a cloverleaf easy enough May 12 20:38:32 lcuk: Nope. netbook is using mutter... so it has different problems. May 12 20:38:35 yup it s not a prob May 12 20:38:41 gabrbedd, eep May 12 20:38:57 lcuk: Actually, I only had ONE problem with mutter. May 12 20:39:19 lcuk: menus don't work in some FLTK-based apps May 12 20:39:31 are we having a conversation about something that isn't any issue at all? May 12 20:39:53 CosmoHill: Are you talking to me? :-p May 12 20:40:12 depends, are you as lonely as I am? May 12 20:40:45 CosmoHill: no. May 12 20:41:27 :( May 12 20:41:31 wait, yay May 12 20:41:39 I'm confused, lets move on May 12 20:41:48 oh oh, speaking of laptop chargers May 12 20:42:08 gabrbedd, ok so with these varying compositor bugs and problems May 12 20:42:11 i ll go to #plugs for my problem :) May 12 20:42:16 my new laptop charger uses a figure of 8 cable like that, it's a powerbook so an earth cable would be appreachated May 12 20:42:20 is it possible to make a short wiki page describing all of them May 12 20:42:33 so that they could be shown to specific compositor engineer May 12 20:44:12 lcuk: Most of my problems don't seem to be with the compositing logic. May 12 20:44:53 lcuk: The WM's were written with assumptions that typically hold true for a Qt-based, single-window app. May 12 20:45:04 well, mcompositor was. May 12 20:45:56 I'll think about the wiki thing... but I'm kind of inclined to point people to the BMC#'s. May 12 20:46:06 the logic is along the lines of that composition is slow, fullscreen is fast May 12 20:46:08 gabrbedd, the wiki can do that too May 12 20:46:08 whoah, office May 12 20:46:09 (no composition needed) May 12 20:46:13 auke: back from holiday? May 12 20:46:14 :P May 12 20:46:21 back from sicknessedness May 12 20:46:25 ah May 12 20:47:43 Stskeeps: Right... but I'm battling WM-issues, not compositing WM-issues. May 12 20:48:03 thats what I should make, a window manager May 12 20:48:04 (Although I may have found /one/ compositing issue... locks up the whole screen... ) May 12 20:48:26 * Stskeeps looks forward to a wayland future May 12 20:48:29 berndhs: Cool! I'll make one, too! May 12 20:48:58 my mind is still blown from the fact it's possible to make well-performing compositors in qml May 12 20:49:27 Stskeeps: who did that? May 12 20:49:37 or... more accurately... where? May 12 20:49:44 gabrbedd: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/18/multi-process-lighthouse/ May 12 20:51:18 Stskeeps: thanks. that *is* cool. May 12 20:52:10 it's really simple to work with, too May 12 20:53:39 Stskeeps, everything is fast on a desktop May 12 20:53:48 lcuk: true. I'll see about it in a few hours. May 12 20:56:03 auke: Welcome back! May 12 20:57:09 mikhas: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/wayland/20110419_002.jpg May 12 20:57:50 but yeah, i get your point May 12 21:21:48 hey May 12 21:22:09 I don't remember the name of meego's yum/apt-like system May 12 21:22:12 and command May 12 21:22:29 zypper May 12 21:22:30 zypper May 12 21:22:37 Stskeeps, beyond a screenshot, what is the performance of that? May 12 21:22:39 (had my meego netbook at a meego conference today, sorry for the stupid question) May 12 21:22:39 damn, I missed my enter key May 12 21:22:40 :) May 12 21:22:48 thanks krh and CosmoHill May 12 21:23:13 you're welcome May 12 21:24:21 there is no package for a mpd client in meego ?! May 12 21:26:20 how is zigbee on cbuild.meego.com ?? May 12 21:29:59 mikeleib: ? May 12 21:31:00 I just ran across this awesome home project and wished for a 1.2 based target May 12 21:31:14 is lbt == zigbee ?? May 12 21:31:21 no! May 12 21:31:39 I'm ambivalent May 12 21:31:55 on the one hand there is a load of useful code May 12 21:32:17 OTOH it's a totally unmaintained, untested, unsupportable mess :) May 12 21:32:29 well.. yes May 12 21:32:36 zigbee is a porter.... May 12 21:32:40 I did see that, but I try to be an optimist May 12 21:33:04 'porter' ?? May 12 21:33:11 as in somebody who ports things to meego? May 12 21:33:15 yes May 12 21:33:21 vs someone who maintains it May 12 21:33:39 ahaha.. May 12 21:33:43 http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html <-- my opinioin May 12 21:34:05 2/3 the way down: Porting vs Maintaining : A MeeGo partner May 12 21:34:20 yup May 12 21:34:34 finding people to maintain packages is hard May 12 21:34:39 saying that on the forums won't make me popular May 12 21:34:42 meego doesn't work hard enough on finding them May 12 21:34:50 never mind the quality ,,,, feel the width May 12 21:34:57 *nod* May 12 21:35:15 Once we have a slightly richer App space May 12 21:35:23 the need for Surrounds will grow I hope May 12 21:35:29 and devices will help May 12 21:35:38 and a none 1.1 baseline :) May 12 21:35:55 meanwhile I hope the guy is hurting.... May 12 21:36:05 then he can learn and come and help in Surrounds May 12 21:36:18 he's got the passion obviously May 12 21:36:53 yup May 12 21:38:58 and our non-opensource forums promised we were using proprietary code because we could implement forum:email gateways .... I'm still waiting for that May 12 21:39:24 parse error May 12 21:39:46 forums.meego.com runs on non open-source code May 12 21:39:55 I hate forums :) May 12 21:40:13 and they promised a forum/email gateway May 12 21:40:21 it's been written for over a year May 12 21:40:32 AIUI May 12 21:40:35 promised by who ? May 12 21:41:13 CO basically - when they selected the forums May 12 21:41:57 too tired to go hunting for it May 12 21:59:50 lcuk: I was thinking about your wiki idea... and it occurred to me that some kind of window-manager test app/suite might be a good idea. May 12 22:00:24 gabrbedd: what wiki idea? Link? May 12 22:00:29 There seems to me more and more WM's being written these days... and maybe even more when weyland hits the fan. May 12 22:00:45 alterego: he suggested that I collect my window manager issues on a wiki page. May 12 22:03:55 gabrbedd: to what extent do you care that the window manager is meego compliant, for your device ? May 12 22:05:21 berndhs: I don't understand the question. I'm not writing a WM. I'm having trouble with bugs in meego's WM (mcompositor) May 12 22:05:43 berndhs: I.e. meego's wm is not X11-compliant. :-) May 12 22:05:46 yes I know, I'm asking about using alternative WMs May 12 22:06:18 does it make any difference if the result is not meego compliant May 12 22:07:31 berndhs: I can add pretty much any WM I want and be meego compliant. (I'm sure there's an exception somewhere...) May 12 22:08:31 hmm May 12 22:09:12 berndhs: Did I confuse you? May 12 22:09:32 no i see what you are saying, WM is not part of compliance May 12 22:09:41 right May 12 22:11:11 just fyi, if there issues with mcompositor, im interested to hear about those. May 12 22:12:23 really interested. not just saying, but i might have some influence to get things fixed depending on the issue. May 12 22:13:01 jani: bug 17446, bug 17170 May 12 22:13:04 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17446 maj, High, ---, jketreno, NEW, mcompositor locks video when Xlib app uses modal dialogs May 12 22:13:06 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17170 maj, Medium, ---, jketreno, NEW, mcompositor window restacking renders Xlib-style menus useless May 12 22:14:03 FWIW, I've also have related issues where meego-ux-daemon gets the blame. May 12 22:21:35 thanks May 12 22:24:46 i'll have a looksy, writing those down and looking at them tomorrow. May 12 22:25:41 jani: thank you :-) May 12 23:46:02 alterego: sure. What time do you land? May 12 23:57:02 Jaffa, 15:50 according to the wiki. May 12 23:57:10 Supposedly you two are on the same flight May 13 00:04:43 cyas May 13 00:50:59 * npm ironically, has better luck browsing http://www.ro.me/ on firefox4 on linux (meego) than chrome May 13 00:52:33 (in google chrome/chromium, it tells you to download google chrome) May 13 00:55:15 bleh, and then it crashes the browser May 13 00:56:43 is there some reason that a person would want to look at that site ? May 13 00:57:13 when will meego browsers support webgl ? May 13 00:57:22 because it's awesome state of the art webgl May 13 00:57:31 i mean the content May 13 01:00:19 i cant look at in with FF4 on Fedora 15 either, says I should download gnome May 13 01:05:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReH7zzj5GPc is what it's supposed to be May 13 01:07:46 so the question is whether the linux community is going to allow itself to be left behind.... May 13 01:09:16 well, personally I don't see the point of having to buy better hardware to support someone elses idea of art May 13 01:09:42 but that's just me May 13 01:09:56 well, you shouldn't need to buy better hardware. it's supported on the pc and mac. just not linux May 13 01:11:25 people in the comments complain that their graphics cards aren't up to it May 13 01:11:43 firefox4 supports webgl see "about:config" and search for "mesa" May 13 01:13:19 http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=260569 --> apparently requires nvidia hardware so you're right May 13 01:14:15 now it shows some clouds and says my graphics card doesnt support it May 13 01:14:47 probably true, it doesnt even have a 4 digit number :) May 13 01:15:56 Linux firefox only supports webgl on a few nvidia cards (or so people have been saying). May 13 01:16:27 On my Intel graphics boxes I get a "not supported" error when I go to webgl pages. May 13 01:19:04 sure would be nice if meego supported webgl in its browsers... May 13 01:20:44 i think it illustrates another problem May 13 01:20:46 plus it would be a nice "upstream" contribution where intel could help promote the 3d capabilities of its own chips (esp w/ future integrated rendering archs) May 13 01:21:08 nobody has a new story, so they tell the old ones in shiner ways May 13 01:21:34 s/shiner/shinier/ May 13 01:21:35 berndhs meant: nobody has a new story, so they tell the old ones in shinier ways May 13 01:22:13 well, maybe... once all the infrastructure is setup, you'll be able to do everything you can do in an "app" inside the browser... that's google's new story... doing all the old things in the browser May 13 01:22:42 yes, with more overhead and less security May 13 01:22:55 what a brilliant idea :P May 13 01:23:20 That's what WRT is about on meego, right? but I'm not clear if it's included by default, and seems to involve a lot of infrastructure on the developer end. May 13 01:23:22 well, perhaps more security May 13 01:23:31 there's no sandboxing in gstreamer codecs for example May 13 01:23:42 but in chrome you run arbitrary codecs in the sandbox May 13 01:23:50 if you don't run it in the browser its safer May 13 01:24:04 and cheaper in terms of resources May 13 01:24:09 so what is the point ? May 13 01:24:32 other than that the service provider knows what you are running and when ? May 13 01:24:50 well their pt of vu is that with the right infrastructure (e.g. crypto based auth, 2 factor, certs), hardware security validation, and everything sandboxed in the browser, they claim they're more secure May 13 01:25:12 thats a blatant lie May 13 01:25:30 they want your data, that is their business model May 13 01:26:04 run apps locally, and you dont have to rely on a 3rd party May 13 01:26:34 for an individual/hacker i agree May 13 01:26:39 and apart from that, it does waste resources to run everything in a browser May 13 01:26:59 for leagues of mindless corporate drones needing computers, that's their goal.: http://smarthouse.com.au/Home_Office/Notebooks_And_Tablets/P5K4W8D7 May 13 01:27:31 i'm sorry, it is just fundamentally stupid May 13 01:27:46 even the coporations have no reason to give control to another corporation May 13 01:29:04 they give control to microsoft and every malware/spyware mfgr right now May 13 01:29:28 and giving it to google is better ? how ? May 13 01:29:41 don't make me be their advocate please! May 13 01:29:52 :-) May 13 01:29:58 :) May 13 01:30:30 i basically agree w/ you, however, from a technology pt of view, webgl support in the browser is pretty far off from that May 13 01:30:46 sure May 13 01:32:13 the "no new story" is really also separate from that May 13 01:32:30 http://www.pcworld.com/article/227762/googles_great_chromebased_angry_birds_giveaway.html May 13 01:33:08 tha'ts the new story, all the things in html5 (app storage), webgl all coming together May 13 01:34:10 the last new story was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh May 13 01:38:45 teehee... http://chrome.angrybirds.com/ actually worked on meego... takes a long time to load May 13 01:40:07 (in firefox4, i'm not using chromium until https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16284 fixed) May 13 01:40:10 Bug 16284 nor, Medium, ---, yang.jie, NEW, Chromium browser sandbox feature is not working in MeeGo builds May 13 01:52:54 here is a brilliant app for frequent fliers and people without windows http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/WhatWear?content=141390 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 13 02:59:58 2011