**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 13 02:59:58 2011
May 13 04:46:32 <iekku> morning
May 13 04:46:56 <Stskeeps> morn iekku
May 13 04:47:16 <iekku> mmm, coffee, need coffee
May 13 04:48:58 <iekku> Stskeeps, morning, how's your day?
May 13 04:49:35 <Stskeeps> iekku: looking outside it looks wet and grey
May 13 04:49:50 <Stskeeps> HyogiGim: good morning to you too - did you solve your mic2 problems?
May 13 04:49:58 <HyogiGim> hi!
May 13 04:50:16 <HyogiGim> you remember me! :)
May 13 04:50:30 <iekku> Stskeeps, uh :(
May 13 04:50:55 <HyogiGim> i didn't solve the mic2 problems..
May 13 04:51:17 <HyogiGim> so i upgraded my openSUSE from 11.2 to 11.4
May 13 04:51:23 <gabrbedd> HyogiGim: iekku: stskeeps: kimmok: good morning!
May 13 04:51:24 <HyogiGim> and reinstall qemu and mic2
May 13 04:51:34 <HyogiGim> good morning! :)
May 13 04:51:35 <iekku> gabrbedd, good morning :)
May 13 04:51:44 <Stskeeps> HyogiGim: ok, does it work better now or still same problem?
May 13 04:51:46 <kimmok> gabrbedd: good morning
May 13 04:51:59 <HyogiGim> now i faced another problem.. :(
May 13 04:52:12 <Stskeeps> ok, do please tell what it is :)
May 13 04:52:17 <HyogiGim> Error: Bind-remounting '/var/cache/meego-bootstrap//parentroot' failed
May 13 04:53:13 <Stskeeps> ok, that's a new one - you're good at finding problems ;)
May 13 04:53:24 <Stskeeps> HyogiGim: does /var/cache/meego-bootstrap//parentroot exist?
May 13 04:53:34 <HyogiGim> yes
May 13 04:53:41 <Stskeeps> and you're running as root?
May 13 04:53:45 <Stskeeps> (or sudo)
May 13 04:53:53 <HyogiGim> yes
May 13 04:54:04 <Stskeeps> cat /proc/mounts | grep /var/cache
May 13 04:54:05 <HyogiGim> always i try on root
May 13 04:54:09 <HyogiGim> ok
May 13 04:54:24 <gabrbedd> HyogiGim: I find that I need to `rm -rf /var/cache/meego-bootstrap` every once in a while.
May 13 04:55:05 <HyogiGim> ye.. i also remove that directory and remake bootstrap
May 13 04:55:20 <HyogiGim> but cannot solve the problem..
May 13 04:55:21 <HyogiGim> TT
May 13 04:56:12 <HyogiGim> Stskeeps: i did cat command
May 13 04:56:16 <HyogiGim> no results..
May 13 04:56:17 <Stskeeps> hmm
May 13 04:56:45 <Stskeeps> HyogiGim: can i see your exact command line for mic-image-creator?
May 13 04:57:53 <HyogiGim> mic-image-creator -f loop -c meego-tablet-armv7hl-1.2.80.0.20110503.2.ks -k mycache -a armv7hl
May 13 04:58:25 <Stskeeps> ah
May 13 04:58:30 <HyogiGim> ??
May 13 04:59:29 <Stskeeps> ok, so two things: --run-mode=1     , -f raw instead of -f loop
May 13 04:59:46 <Stskeeps> and --pkgmgr=yum
May 13 05:01:27 <HyogiGim> ok already i wrote --run-mode=1 in mic2.conf
May 13 05:01:42 <HyogiGim> i retry using -f raw
May 13 05:02:02 <HyogiGim> thank you :)
May 13 05:02:39 <Stskeeps> my working setup is fedora 14, by the way
May 13 05:07:11 * slonopotamus once asked on a linux forum what's the difference between opensuse and fedora. after long discussion, they came to the conclusion: yast and wallpapers
May 13 05:12:58 <RST38h> slono: OpenSUSE is a Mercedes.
May 13 05:14:04 <RST38h> slono: Fedora is a Ford. Neither works particularly well though.
May 13 05:14:04 <slonopotamus> that doesn't tell me anything.
May 13 06:08:39 <kyb3R> a little off-topic: if you have a little hacker spirit in you and you go to SF before the conference, there's maker faire 21st-22nd: http://makerfaire.com/
May 13 06:08:46 <kyb3R> I'm also visiting Noisebridge, local hackerspace prolly on Saturday. Anyone else is welcome to tag along.
May 13 06:17:10 <HyogiGim> i used -f raw but still show same problem. :((
May 13 06:32:48 <huzhanl> afternoon
May 13 06:37:16 <Myrtti> I feel slightly out of wits, can't find where or how to upload the slideset...
May 13 06:37:38 <Stskeeps> edit session
May 13 06:39:04 <Myrtti> ah, the uploading dialog had been collapsed
May 13 06:40:22 <Myrtti> well it's a draft anyway
May 13 06:40:46 <Myrtti> so I'll make a new one once I get my laptop out the bag so I can redo it in LaTeX
May 13 07:14:31 <cityLights> ~seen hrw
May 13 07:14:38 <infobot> hrw is currently on #oe (6m 2s), last said: 'never got time to experiment with such'.
May 13 07:19:42 <bkalinga> is there a qmlviewer in meego sdk??
May 13 07:34:45 <eg81> bkalinga: meego-sdk-qmlviewer
May 13 07:35:18 <eg81> from meego-sdk-qt4-qmlviewer package
May 13 07:36:17 <bkalinga> meego@[meego-handset-sdk]::/$ meego-sdk-qmlviewer
May 13 07:36:22 <bkalinga> -bash: meego-sdk-qmlviewer: command not found
May 13 07:37:21 <bkalinga> meego-sdk-qt4-qmlviewer is this a zypper package??
May 13 07:40:27 <eg81> it's the package for ubuntu, for meego it will be qt-qmlviewer package
May 13 07:48:57 <bkalinga> i can see git://gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components.git has qml related component and examples
May 13 07:49:08 <bkalinga> can i get this package from zypper
May 13 07:49:32 <bkalinga> i want to run qml examples inside meego qemu
May 13 07:53:16 <Crawler> hi
May 13 07:54:37 <Crawler> I want to give meego a try but im not sure which image I should download, what is the difference between mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance , n900-de-sanity and n900-tablet-apps ?
May 13 07:54:48 <Crawler> which should i get?
May 13 07:54:58 <Crawler> (i will install it on N900)
May 13 07:56:05 <eg81> Crawler: from http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/ReleaseProcess
May 13 07:56:10 <eg81> In DE case the sanity and acceptance in image name means which DE repository we are using in addition to the MeeGo Trunk, i.e., in sanity images we use Project:DE:Trunk repository and in acceptance Project:DE:Trunk:Testing repository.
May 13 07:59:01 <eg81> Crawler: but if that ^^ has no meaning for you then just pust acceptance image
May 13 07:59:16 <eg81> at least yesterday's image works fine
May 13 08:00:47 <Stskeeps> http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/12/google-android-skyhook-lawsuit-motorola-samsung/ <- interesting
May 13 08:01:23 <eg81> bkalinga: probably it will be better to use meego-ux-components
May 13 08:01:34 <Crawler> eg81: thank You for the answer, ill get the acceptance image ;]
May 13 08:02:14 <Crawler> eg81: and what is tablet-apps? does it include tablet ux?
May 13 08:02:49 <Stskeeps> includes tablet apps
May 13 08:06:33 <bkalinga> eg81: let me install that package then
May 13 08:29:20 <guyzmo> lo
May 13 08:29:39 <guyzmo> when I compile my soft on meego
May 13 08:30:04 <guyzmo> is it better to install them in /usr/local as I usually do, or /opt ?
May 13 08:30:32 <Stskeeps>  /opt, see the meego compliance documents
May 13 08:31:02 <guyzmo> thanks
May 13 08:32:09 <thiago_home> Stskeeps: aren't you on your way to the airport? :-)
May 13 08:32:24 <Stskeeps> thiago_home: no, saturday
May 13 08:32:32 <Stskeeps> (tomorrow)
May 13 08:32:37 <thiago_home> oh
May 13 08:32:42 <thiago_home> I thought you meant today
May 13 08:32:49 <thiago_home> okay then, never mind, nothing to see here...
May 13 08:32:52 <Stskeeps> hehe
May 13 08:37:11 <maagi> hi I m getting /usr/bin/sign: 256 error while creating projects on my OBS server can somebody help
May 13 10:31:06 <arhyttin> hi, is there any simple way to make a bootable USB stick from meego-core-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.1-fs.tar.bz2?
May 13 10:31:34 <arhyttin> ie. bootable Meego without any UX (I presume that contains either Linux text console, or even x terminal)
May 13 10:32:06 <arhyttin> s/either/at least/
May 13 10:32:06 <infobot> arhyttin meant: ie. bootable Meego without any UX (I presume that contains at least Linux text console, or even x terminal)
May 13 10:32:38 <arhyttin> oooo
May 13 10:32:57 <Stskeeps> mic2
May 13 10:39:31 <arhyttin> Stskeeps: ty
May 13 10:41:46 <arhyttin> ...and what's the right place to get that?  git.moblin.org?
May 13 10:42:13 <Stskeeps> meego.gitorious.org
May 13 10:42:23 <arhyttin> k
May 13 11:11:20 <naquad> hi
May 13 11:11:27 <naquad> how do i modify default autopartitioning
May 13 11:11:28 <Manni> hi
May 13 11:15:27 <bkalinga> i am getting an error file:///home/meego/qt-components/examples/meego/calculator/calculator.qml:43:1: module "com.meego" is not installed
May 13 11:15:36 <bkalinga> how do i resolve this
May 13 11:22:16 <villev> can someone here fix the obs netbook builder?
May 13 11:22:22 <villev> it gets stuck in infinite loops
May 13 11:22:30 <villev> on projects that build fine on other targets
May 13 11:22:34 <villev> you can see this in action here
May 13 11:22:40 <villev> https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=kasvopus&project=home:vivainio&repository=meego_1.1_extras_Netbook
May 13 11:23:56 <villev> actually, it seems i586 builders in general are broken, arm builders work fine
May 13 11:24:25 <X-Fade> That buider has a clock issue. Let me check.
May 13 11:25:32 <villev> even with a failed clock, it's slightly surprising that it gets stuck on that phase
May 13 11:25:40 <X-Fade> read the log.
May 13 11:25:56 <X-Fade> Actually reading it helps :)
May 13 11:25:57 <villev> I know it says timestamp is in the future
May 13 11:26:17 <X-Fade> Yeah, and qmake is so annoying to then just wait until the time is ok :)
May 13 11:26:29 <villev> I don't see why it would be though - and why this works on arm builder
May 13 11:27:00 <X-Fade> One of the builders had a clock running in a wrong timezone. You get to a different buider every time.
May 13 11:27:20 <X-Fade> there is no difference in which arch, every builder can build for everything.
May 13 11:27:23 <villev> so you fixed this now X-Fade?
May 13 11:27:27 <X-Fade> yes
May 13 11:27:31 <villev> ok, I'll retry
May 13 11:58:36 <slaine> anyone any tips for configuring a serial baed touchscreen device ?
May 13 11:58:54 <slaine> based
May 13 11:59:58 <Stskeeps> tslib, maybe?
May 13 12:02:59 <slaine> Was wondering if I could do it via an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d entry
May 13 12:55:02 <andre__> how can I rename/move a meego wikipage without destroying its history? do I need some special permissions?
May 13 12:59:53 <lbt> andre__: yes, I think so
May 13 13:00:24 <andre__> how can I get them? :-P
May 13 13:00:37 <lbt> ask Dawn I think
May 13 13:00:44 <lbt> I can do it for you too
May 13 13:01:41 <andre__> DawnFoster: I want superpowers, because http://wiki.meego.com/Category:Localization is a huge mess!
May 13 13:01:56 <andre__> lbt, thanks :)
May 13 13:04:46 <lbt> andre__: http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=bureaucrat
May 13 13:05:09 <andre__> ah
May 13 13:05:39 * lbt is a mere admin and can't change your rights -- they can
May 13 13:06:18 <andre__> again, thanks for the pointers!
May 13 14:13:55 <thiago_home> DawnFoster: ping
May 13 14:13:57 <thiago_home> up already?
May 13 14:14:00 <lbt> robtaylor: ping if you're awake
May 13 14:15:48 <DawnFoster> andre__: I thought we'd documented the process to request wiki superpowers, but basically, you need to file a bug like this one: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14253
May 13 14:15:50 <MeeGoBot> Bug 14253 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, VERI FIXED, Wiki sysop request
May 13 14:16:12 <DawnFoster> I'll work on getting the process documented when I wake up a little :)
May 13 14:16:15 <DawnFoster> hey thiago_home
May 13 14:16:56 <DawnFoster> andre__: assign the bug to me
May 13 14:17:55 <andre__> DawnFoster, okay, but can I still get some powers *now*? :)
May 13 14:18:27 <DawnFoster> andre__: well, the process is to make the request and give the other sysops time to object :)
May 13 14:18:41 <DawnFoster> I don't have any issues with it
May 13 14:18:49 * lbt points out that andre__ is maemo.org bugmaster and there won't be any objections
May 13 14:18:54 <lbt> (not sure if you knew)
May 13 14:19:20 <DawnFoster> lbt: I'm familiar with andre__ :)
May 13 14:19:26 <DawnFoster> and don't expect any objections
May 13 14:19:50 <DawnFoster> andre__: can you file the bug now & we'll escalate the process
May 13 14:19:54 <andre__> "MeeGo is all about processes, it's not about getting things done" says my co-worker here in the office.
May 13 14:19:57 <siddvicious> no sdk for linux now ?
May 13 14:19:59 <siddvicious> :/
May 13 14:20:00 <DawnFoster> I see dneary online
May 13 14:20:05 <lbt> andre__: I hear ya
May 13 14:20:12 <DawnFoster> andre__: if you file the bug, we can probably do this in 15 minutes
May 13 14:20:14 <dneary> DawnFoster, yes, you do
May 13 14:20:19 <andre__> I'll file a ticket now, sure
May 13 14:20:37 <dneary> DawnFoster, And yes, we did
May 13 14:20:50 <lbt> DawnFoster: surely the bug is *a* communication mechanism... just like irc
May 13 14:21:01 <alterego> Does anyone know what Nokia N900 (micro usb) charger works in the US?
May 13 14:21:10 <lbt> the audit trail is that andre__ becomes present in the list of admins?
May 13 14:21:23 <DawnFoster> the bug helps us go back and track why we gave him access - irc doesn't
May 13 14:22:03 <lbt> and that's important why?
May 13 14:22:05 <dneary> DawnFoster, lbt, etc: http://wiki.meego.com/Wiki_sysops
May 13 14:22:19 <GAN900> alterego, get an adaptor?
May 13 14:22:37 <alterego> GAN900: got one, but I figure if I already have a US N900 charger I'll take that as well.
May 13 14:23:00 <GAN900> AC-10U is the US version.
May 13 14:23:18 <dneary> Basically, two ways to become a sysop: help until you get invited, or ask in bugzilla & get approved
May 13 14:23:19 <alterego> Okay, thanks
May 13 14:23:52 <lbt> dneary: is the reason you invite someone recorded?
May 13 14:23:54 <dneary> andre__, Dis you see that? I thought it was lbt asking, sorry
May 13 14:24:08 <dneary> lbt, "After participating in wiki gardening activities for a while, you may be invited to become a sysop by the existing team. "
May 13 14:24:16 * thiago_home blogs about which talks he'd like to go to at the meegoconf
May 13 14:24:18 <lbt> yes dneary, I read ut
May 13 14:24:20 <lbt> it
May 13 14:24:31 <dneary> lbt, So then you knew the answer :)
May 13 14:24:33 <lbt> but my point is ... do you file a bug before inviting someone?
May 13 14:24:42 <dneary> lbt, Basically, we notice good work
May 13 14:24:51 <dneary> lbt, I would say no
May 13 14:25:01 <lbt> so, if Dawn had simply 'invited' andre__ then he wouldn't need to file a bug
May 13 14:25:11 <lbt> it is pointless bueuracracy
May 13 14:25:12 <Stskeeps|holiday> isn't this a bit of bikeshedding?
May 13 14:25:17 <dneary> The bugs are just to allow admins to track who sysops applicants are
May 13 14:25:18 <lbt> culture
May 13 14:25:39 <Stskeeps|holiday> as in, we actually have a meritocratic documented process for once in this projec
May 13 14:25:40 <dneary> lbt, Meh, I don't know. The point is to get the end result
May 13 14:25:41 <Stskeeps|holiday> t
May 13 14:25:47 <gabrbedd> lbt: score!
May 13 14:25:54 <dneary> lbt, The end result being "someone who should be sysop, is sysop"
May 13 14:26:06 <dneary> Now, if Dawn can add sysop permissions, creat
May 13 14:26:12 <lbt> dneary: exactly... but DawnFoster said "no"
May 13 14:26:16 <lbt> "file a bug"
May 13 14:26:23 <lbt> *then* she'd add him
May 13 14:26:41 <lbt> all I'm saying is that that is unneeded and we should be alert to it
May 13 14:26:42 <dneary> But only bureaucrats can add a sysop
May 13 14:26:46 <lbt> she is
May 13 14:26:54 <DawnFoster> lbt: I said file the bug & I'll help escalate it
May 13 14:26:57 <dneary> http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&username=&group=bureaucrat&limit=50
May 13 14:27:02 <dneary> And I'm not a bureaucrat
May 13 14:27:13 <DawnFoster> lbt: meaning that I'll personally do extra work & ping the people to comment right now
May 13 14:27:25 <lbt> DawnFoster: I know ... just saying that since you could have spontaneously "invited" andre__ then there was no need
May 13 14:27:30 <dneary> lbt, That implies to me that Dawn's not inviting him, that Andre's applying, and maybe Dawn wants to ask around
May 13 14:27:42 <lbt> dneary: he's the maemo.org bugmaster!
May 13 14:27:44 <dneary> I don't know, I just pointed you to the process
May 13 14:27:49 <lbt> not some unknown nick
May 13 14:27:52 <dneary> lbt, What domain? :)
May 13 14:27:57 <lbt> oh come on
May 13 14:27:59 <DawnFoster> lbt: I have every intention of approving him
May 13 14:27:59 <Stskeeps|holiday> lbt, doesnt mean he does good wiki work
May 13 14:28:13 <dneary> And it's possible to be a bugmaster and never need to rename/delete a wiki page
May 13 14:28:15 <DawnFoster> lbt: but all of the argument is making me regret working my butt off to escalate it
May 13 14:28:26 <DawnFoster> lbt: you're being difficult when I'm trying to help
May 13 14:28:34 <lbt> OK .. sorry...
May 13 14:28:41 <andre__> for the records, I filed https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17563
May 13 14:28:44 <dneary> lbt, DawnFoster, And making me regret getting involved in the conversation to point out the process
May 13 14:28:44 <MeeGoBot> Bug 17563 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Wikipages renaming permissions request
May 13 14:28:45 <andre__> and I still love you all!
May 13 14:28:54 <DawnFoster> dneary: can you comment on that bug
May 13 14:29:01 <dneary> lbt, Permissions aren't rewards
May 13 14:29:18 <dneary> They're enablers to let you do work that you want/need to do
May 13 14:29:44 <dneary> DawnFoster, I'll try :)
May 13 14:29:46 * lbt is also  wiki admin - same as dneary... so .... why does his comment matter here? .... just saying.
May 13 14:30:01 <dneary> lbt, Yours matters too
May 13 14:30:11 <dneary> lbt, Only, Dawn likes me better :)
May 13 14:30:11 <lbt> I made it via irc
May 13 14:30:26 <lbt> I know I was mean to her in an email and she's annoyed at me :)
May 13 14:30:35 <lbt> I'll buy her some nice walnut salad in SF
May 13 14:30:56 <lbt> one day she'll forgive me.... *sigh*
May 13 14:31:02 <DawnFoster> lbt: I assumed I didn't need to ask you to comment since you already here with strong opinions :)
May 13 14:31:07 <lbt> :P
May 13 14:31:10 <DawnFoster> lbt: ;)
May 13 14:31:13 <andre__> uh uh, what do I have to do also get walnut salad? being mean to somebody? I can be good in that, really! :-P
May 13 14:31:16 <lbt> me ... strong opinions?
May 13 14:31:20 <lbt> seriously!
May 13 14:31:30 <DawnFoster> lbt: I'm not one to hold a grudge - you annoyed me anew today :)
May 13 14:31:51 <lbt> I'm consistent then
May 13 14:32:19 <Myrtti> hm
May 13 14:32:34 <lbt> and I did just mean to save you time by mentioning his credentials and turning it into a no-brainer...
May 13 14:32:41 <lbt> sorry it went the other way
May 13 14:33:00 * andre__ hands out hearts and love to everybody
May 13 14:33:12 <gabrbedd> andre__: you beat me to it!
May 13 14:33:18 <andre__> I understand documenting (bug reports) why decisions are/were made.
May 13 14:33:29 <Myrtti> cheesecake all around
May 13 14:34:01 <lbt> andre__: I would too ... but it's optional... not needed if you are 'invited' .... that's the inconsistency
May 13 14:34:01 <dneary> Comment added
May 13 14:34:49 <dneary> andre__, I saw it more as a way of keeping track of a todo list
May 13 14:35:08 <dneary> andre__, But it also does help for justifying various additions
May 13 14:36:31 <lbt> so... http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Wiki_sysops&action=historysubmit&diff=38665&oldid=34008
May 13 14:36:34 <andre__> dneary, I totally understand. In the end it's right to have it documented, I must admit of course
May 13 14:36:37 <andre__> I mean, I see some Intel QA folks all of the time adding even more undiscussed useless fields to Bugzilla to make it completely unusable, and I sometimes wished they'd at least *try* to discuss something first... sigh
May 13 14:36:46 <dneary> lbt, There's no bugzilla bug for me :-P~~~~
May 13 14:37:02 <lbt> dneary: don't know about me
May 13 14:37:13 <lbt> andre__: actually I want to discuss that
May 13 14:37:20 <lbt> we need to track DE specific bugs
May 13 14:37:30 <dneary> Or qgil, mshaver, tkojo, etc
May 13 14:37:35 <lbt> I want to auto resolve them on commit to trunk
May 13 14:37:38 <andre__> lbt, me too. But every time I come up with a followup question I'm faced with silence as a "response" to my emails.
May 13 14:37:47 <dneary> lbt, ISTR you were the test case for the new super complicated process I wrote
May 13 14:38:08 <lbt> dneary: coulda been ... people test all kinds of wierd stuff on me
May 13 14:38:10 <lbt> :)
May 13 14:38:40 <DawnFoster> andre__: ok, you are all set with additional access
May 13 14:39:06 <DawnFoster> now is where I point out that all of the discussion about how much the process sucks took longer than running andre__ through the actual process ;)
May 13 14:39:08 <andre__> DawnFoster, :-*
May 13 14:39:20 <lbt> andre__: so... the DE guys currently put [DE] in their report titles...  is there a better way ?
May 13 14:39:43 <andre__> lbt, basically there's either keywords, or using [PREFIXES] in the summaries.
May 13 14:39:53 <andre__> and it looks like for [DE] prefixes are used
May 13 14:39:57 * lbt mumbles to DawnFoster about a mailing list announcement and 24 hour delay and then runs away
May 13 14:40:16 <DawnFoster> lbt: communication is good :)
May 13 14:40:35 <lbt> andre__: which should DE use?
May 13 14:40:45 <andre__> lbt, there is no keyword for DE :)
May 13 14:40:53 <andre__> so [DE] as summary prefix && N900 as keyword
May 13 14:41:12 <lbt> can you have multiple prefixes?
May 13 14:41:17 <andre__> lbt, I'm also often confused by this stuff. especially as I have the feeling that it neither gets discussed or documented.
May 13 14:41:19 <andre__> sure, you can
May 13 14:41:27 <andre__> [META][DE][REG] or so :-P
May 13 14:41:29 <lbt> OK .. thinking rexep stuff
May 13 14:41:47 <lbt> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition/BOSS#Bug_Lifecycle
May 13 14:41:58 <lbt> ericlr worked on that too
May 13 14:42:08 <Myrtti> I wish I had a kitchen at my use at the conference
May 13 14:42:15 <Myrtti> I would make cheesecake for everyone
May 13 14:42:28 <lbt> I would like to say "if a bug matches *these* criteria it will be marked fixed"
May 13 14:43:16 <gabrbedd> Myrtti: Don't forget the bacon!
May 13 14:43:46 <lbt> sounds like "has [DE] as one of the [*] items" AND "has N900 as a keyword"
May 13 14:44:10 <andre__> dneary: are you really sure that you know where I live? because I don't think so ;-)
May 13 14:44:19 <lbt> andre__: should go to #meego-arm so Sage can hear too - I guess Stskeeps|holiday is packing :)
May 13 14:44:24 <dneary> andre__, The internet is all powerful
May 13 14:44:30 <ericlr> lbt: N900 keyword should come first, DE is just a subset
May 13 14:44:39 <ericlr> it has flag also for the blockers
May 13 14:44:54 <andre__> dneary, I think you can easily find my parents' address, but not my current address :)
May 13 14:45:04 <andre__> dneary, if it's a German address then it's wrong
May 13 14:45:35 <dneary> andre__, well, if you want to get all pedantic, I have the tools to find out where you live. And I know where you work.
May 13 14:45:52 <andre__> dneary, interesting...
May 13 14:45:57 <dneary> So you've moved to the Czech Republic?
May 13 14:46:23 <GAN900> Myrtti, I almost completely certain that'd be something that could be arranged in SF
May 13 14:46:36 <lbt> ericlr: so is N900 enough for DE process ? I think not since MeeGo core bugs could mention it couldn't they ?
May 13 14:47:01 <andre__> dneary: I'm just curious, you know... :) Because I normally don't hand out my postal address. But not pedantic, no. I trust you :)
May 13 14:47:20 <ericlr> well I guess that for dependencies the keyword might actually be missing
May 13 14:48:02 <ericlr> well, one can also use the whiteboard to append useful info
May 13 14:48:37 <ericlr> lbt: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16881
May 13 14:48:40 <MeeGoBot> Bug 16881 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, RESO FIXED, Doesn't comment or action bugs
May 13 14:48:51 <ericlr> lbt: what is system change for?
May 13 14:49:02 <dneary> andre__, Hmmm... Your IP address says you're in Berlin
May 13 14:49:48 <andre__> dneary, yes, visiting the co-workers for two days :)
May 13 14:50:21 <lbt> ericlr: System messages ?
May 13 14:50:21 <griffonn> hi everybody
May 13 14:50:41 <lbt> they are for warning/check messages
May 13 14:50:45 <ericlr> lbt: y lbt from home:lbt:zDE:Trunk:Testing/impuzzle
May 13 14:50:45 <ericlr> comment: OK, bugfix in there - lets test
May 13 14:50:45 <ericlr> System messages:
May 13 14:50:46 <ericlr> Relevant Changelog information:
May 13 14:50:46 <ericlr> Mon 9 May 2011 David Greaves <david@dgreaves.com> 0.7.4
May 13 14:50:47 <ericlr> - No change
May 13 14:50:47 <ericlr> - Fixes BMC#16881
May 13 14:51:07 <lbt> ericlr: careful - pastebin or you'll get auto kicked
May 13 14:51:10 <griffonn> i was wondering if anybody uses lenovo s10-3 netbook
May 13 14:51:52 <ericlr> lbt: oh I always forget sorry!
May 13 14:52:00 <siddvicious> oh yeah i was thrown offline by my network
May 13 14:52:17 <siddvicious> i was i asking is there any meego sdk for linux right now ?
May 13 14:52:18 <siddvicious> :/
May 13 14:52:28 <ericlr> lbt: so system changes in practice what kind of msg?
May 13 14:52:50 <lbt> ericlr: maybe "failed to build in source project"
May 13 14:53:26 <lbt> or "changelog contains no bug#"
May 13 14:53:39 <lbt> err... that won't make sense in this context :)
May 13 14:54:18 <ericlr> lbt: yes, I was under the impression we keep silent in the bug report for the "rejectance" part ;)
May 13 14:54:27 <ericlr> only console msg to the user
May 13 14:54:34 <lbt> we do... but currently we don't auto reject
May 13 14:54:41 <ericlr> we should log only success in the bug report
May 13 14:55:02 <lbt> and as new checks come in they will likely initially be 'advisory'
May 13 14:55:08 <ericlr> yeah… I know folks are reluctant to even try it.
May 13 14:55:26 <lbt> well, pre-SF ... but there is a BoF...
May 13 14:55:27 <ericlr> but it's for the good cause
May 13 14:55:32 <lbt> damn... must write that
May 13 14:55:47 <ericlr> ehe, we're in the same boat
May 13 14:55:58 <lbt> thiago_home: am I too late for the latebreaking session for today
May 13 14:56:46 <timoph> lbt: afaik you're not. you just won't get it in the printed program
May 13 14:58:15 <griffonn> does anyone know any fix for lenovo brightness keys?
May 13 14:58:22 * timoph remembers someone saying something like that recently
May 13 14:58:46 <gabrbedd> griffonn: What version of MeeGo?  WORKSFORME
May 13 15:02:23 <griffonn> gabrbedd: 1.1
May 13 15:02:37 <gabrbedd> griffonn: And which edition?
May 13 15:02:54 <griffonn> netbook, it's on lenovo s10-3
May 13 15:03:04 <griffonn> gabrbedd: netbook, it's on lenovo s10-3
May 13 15:03:46 <gabrbedd> griffonn: Is there anything in the folder /sys/class/backlight/ ?
May 13 15:03:58 <griffonn> empty
May 13 15:04:05 <griffonn> gabrbedd: empty
May 13 15:04:58 <gabrbedd> griffonn: That's the basic problem.  The ACPI-kernel thing isn't working right.
May 13 15:05:10 <griffonn> gabrbedd: so what can i do
May 13 15:05:16 <gabrbedd> griffonn: AFAIK, this works in the 1.1.99 versions (RC's for 1.2)
May 13 15:05:48 <griffonn> gabrbedd: ok, so can i update to them without reinstalling fresh system
May 13 15:06:08 <timoph> btw, anyone know if full screen flash playing is fixed in the latest images?
May 13 15:06:12 <gabrbedd> griffonn: Probably not.  It probably takes a reinstall.
May 13 15:06:44 <griffonn> gabrbedd: ok, thanks
May 13 15:06:54 <gabrbedd> griffonn: Beyond that, I can't help any further.  Try a live image to verify that it works... and then you have the problem bracketed.
May 13 15:07:44 <gabrbedd> griffonn: One thing that might work is to try a kernel from the 1.1.99 series... but it will break your touchscreen driver (if you have one)
May 13 15:08:39 <griffonn> gabrbedd: lucky me i havent, only touchpad
May 13 15:09:14 <slaine> I think the Elopalypse has reached dublin by the sound of that thunder crack.
May 13 15:09:37 <robtaylor> lbt: pong
May 13 15:09:58 <gabrbedd> griffonn: then I would try kernel-adaptation-pinetrail from the 1.1.99 repos.  If it fails, you can always uninstall it.
May 13 15:10:06 <gabrbedd> slaine: What crack?
May 13 15:11:18 <damian_-_> um, bit of a problem here. does meego affect the bios in any way. i dint see how, or think it does but after a meegi install my pc freezes @ the bios. its an asus laptop. i booted meego off usb. works fine. decided to install. after install my laptop wont enter bios setup or go past the asus in itial bios screen
May 13 15:11:31 <slaine> thunder clap perhaps ?
May 13 15:11:50 <slaine> clap of thunder, crack of lightening, I can't remember the right term
May 13 15:12:12 <griffonn> gabrbedd: what do i need for this, the image of 1.1.99? and tell me please what do you think about 2.80, is  it more-less usable already
May 13 15:12:17 <slaine> anyway, 'twas loud. Sounded like an industrial accident next door in Guinness's
May 13 15:12:24 <gabrbedd> slaine: Yes.  I meant:  are you being figurative or literal?  (You mentioned Elop)
May 13 15:12:41 <damian_-_> i think i may have broken this laptop
May 13 15:12:56 <gabrbedd> griffonn: It better be usable... release date is in 6 days.
May 13 15:13:06 <slaine> gabrbedd: sorry, confusing
May 13 15:14:05 <griffonn> gabrbedd: oh really, so maybe i should wait these 6 days and then install it, and for now to live with bright screen :)
May 13 15:14:44 <slaine> I'll get my site ready over the weekend for the Broadcom / 1.2 wifi instructions
May 13 15:14:49 <lbt> robtaylor: hey ... can you give me 5min :)
May 13 15:16:05 <gabrbedd> griffonn: Why not download one of the weekly builds and try it out (in "live" mode)?  http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/
May 13 15:17:16 <damian_-_> ok i pulled the hdd and the laptop now gets into setup. what does meego do to the hdd? im assuming its just a simple brug setup to boot?
May 13 15:17:28 <damian_-_> not sure why that would freeze the bios, before it tries to load the hdd
May 13 15:18:18 <slaine> damian_-_: is the HDD ok ?
May 13 15:18:27 <damian_-_> grub. sorry this keyboard is bad
May 13 15:18:30 <slaine> stuff like that usually happens when the HDD hs on it's way out
May 13 15:18:36 <slaine> DMA errors etc.
May 13 15:18:43 <damian_-_> the hdd is fine. worked fine. smart is fine, until a meego install
May 13 15:19:25 <griffonn> gabrbedd: ok, i'll try that. thank you for help. i am starting to live with meego, and good community is what made ubuntu, and what makes meego as i see
May 13 15:19:38 <damian_-_> could just be coincidence but im trying to rule out anything meego has done. worked no problems until reboot after an install
May 13 15:21:44 <gabrbedd> damian_-_: MeeGo doesn't touch the BIOS.  If you're error is at the BIOS level... in all likelyhood meego did not (directly) cause it.
May 13 15:22:40 <damian_-_> ok. didnt think so but had to know for my own piece of mid
May 13 15:22:42 <damian_-_> mind
May 13 15:23:01 <damian_-_> this is quite a bizarre situation
May 13 15:24:32 <gabrbedd> damian_-_: I agree.  Maybe try removing the hard drive and booting.
May 13 15:25:06 <damian_-_> i removed the hdd. i can get into bios then. i tried the hdd just then on another brand laptop and its bios also freezes
May 13 15:25:31 <timoph> I've seen a couple of times battery charging not working after meego installation. resetting bios to defaults solved the issue
May 13 15:25:53 <timoph> this was with ideapad
May 13 15:25:54 <damian_-_> hdd showed no signs of failure but maybe the work of an install pushed it over its edge and it died
May 13 15:26:22 <timoph> could be
May 13 15:27:22 <lbt> Stskeeps|holiday: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/meego-de-how-you-do-it
May 13 15:30:34 <damian_-_> ok this is bizarre
May 13 15:31:11 <damian_-_> i puleed the hdd. went into bios. changede boot settings so it only boots from usb and put hdd in again and it boots fine.
May 13 15:31:22 <damian_-_> on 2 laptops one is a hp other an asus
May 13 15:31:25 <damian_-_> different bioses
May 13 15:32:02 <damian_-_> somehow before even trying to doo boot sequence it detects meego and freezes
May 13 15:32:38 <damian_-_> i can confirm hdd works 100% smart is fine and a scan on hdd showed no errors
May 13 15:32:59 <gabrbedd> damian_-_: So... it now boots meego off the hdd?
May 13 15:33:33 <damian_-_> no. i had to format the bootsector to get the bios to stop freezing
May 13 15:34:05 <damian_-_> im cunfised as to why it would read that before the boot sequence
May 13 15:34:13 <damian_-_> confused
May 13 15:34:32 <damian_-_> wouldnt even allow going into setup
May 13 15:34:34 <damian_-_> very odd
May 13 15:34:59 <gabrbedd> damian_-_: probably part of the HW dection POST stuff.  Looking to see if there's a bootable hdd.
May 13 15:35:26 <damian_-_>  
May 13 15:35:32 <gabrbedd> damian_-_: Try installing MeeGo again.  Make sure you shut it down properly.  If it happens again, please file a bug.
May 13 15:36:05 <damian_-_> ok, i will do. how does meego affect the hdd in a way to freeze the bios
May 13 15:36:45 <damian_-_> even post i still only see it reading the hdd. not trying to boot off it. if somethings just corrupted or wrong wouldnt it just tell me that it cant boot off said hdd?
May 13 15:37:23 <damian_-_> oh, im running it on a normal laptop. core solo, but does have gma500. is there much point filing a bug since its not supported
May 13 15:37:30 <gabrbedd> damian_-_: My guess is that either MeeGo wrote an invalid partition table/boot sector and the BIOS's logic choked on it (bug in BIOS, bug in MeeGo)....
May 13 15:37:51 <gabrbedd> damian_-_: ...or that MeeGo did just fine, and the BIOS has a bug because it found something unexpected.
May 13 15:38:00 <damian_-_> ok. thanks, i understand better now.
May 13 15:38:07 <gabrbedd> wat... GMA500?
May 13 15:38:28 <gabrbedd> is it an atom?
May 13 15:38:41 <Stskeeps|holiday> thiago_home: opinions on when i should do the send-out of the last friday LBNs?
May 13 15:39:40 <damian_-_> oops sorry, gma950
May 13 15:39:50 <damian_-_> 945 actually
May 13 15:40:00 <gabrbedd> damian_-_: FWIW, the Lenovo Ideapads corrupt their own BIOS-es for semi-random reasons.  Rendering wifi unusable.
May 13 15:40:11 <gabrbedd> damian_-_: but what CPU do you have?
May 13 15:40:15 * timoph has noticed that :)
May 13 15:40:30 <damian_-_> core 2 1.6ghz
May 13 15:41:17 <sergiusens> gabrbedd: do you know if there's a patch available that fixes that wifi issue?
May 13 15:41:31 <sergiusens> BIOS patch
May 13 15:41:57 <gabrbedd> sergiusens: dunno.  You know how to correct the problem, right?
May 13 15:42:16 <sergiusens> I think it was something related to removing and readding the module
May 13 15:42:22 <sergiusens> but don't remember exactly
May 13 15:43:18 <damian_-_> i will try again. i will also update the bios. i gotta pull the hdd from this laptop to do something il be back to let you know how it went
May 13 15:43:27 <gabrbedd> sergiusens: No.  Go to bios set up.  Load default settings.  Save. Reboot.
May 13 15:43:46 <gabrbedd> sergiusens: I think whether you have the power supply plugged in or not makes a difference.
May 13 15:43:55 <gabrbedd> sergiusens: It happens when the battery gets low.
May 13 15:44:01 <sergiusens> ah, sounds a lot easier
May 13 15:44:16 <sergiusens> I'll have to write this down, my memory is kinda flaky
May 13 15:44:46 <sergiusens> and it will help me from random questions from the rest of the team here
May 13 15:44:59 <gabrbedd> sergiusens: I'll bet someone's put it on the wiki.  If not... write it down on the wiki!
May 13 15:45:07 <gabrbedd> (I think theres' a page for the lenovo)
May 13 15:45:29 <sergiusens> ah, ok, I'll see if I have editing privs
May 13 15:45:42 <timoph> http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad
May 13 15:45:52 <sergiusens> but I can't login now, forgot my password and became dependant on openid from blogger which is currently down :-P
May 13 15:47:12 <sergiusens> thanks timoph!
May 13 15:47:26 <sergiusens> and of course gabrbedd
May 13 15:48:23 <timoph> np
May 13 15:50:11 <gabrbedd> yw!
May 13 15:59:32 <gandhijee> can i run meego on a core2duo system?
May 13 16:00:25 <gabrbedd> gandhijee: if it has intel graphis, then yes.
May 13 16:00:29 <gabrbedd> graphics
May 13 16:01:03 <gandhijee> does meego make some special requests to the GFX hardware or does it just need to support KMS?
May 13 16:03:00 <lbt> thiago_home: ping
May 13 16:09:23 <KDB> i want to love meego !!!
May 13 16:17:28 <KDB> do i have an intel atom device to develop meego app
May 13 16:18:17 <lbt>  it helps
May 13 16:18:26 <lbt> an N900 is also possible
May 13 16:19:40 <KDB> if i have core 2 duo ...can i ?
May 13 16:20:57 <gabrbedd> KDB: It's easier if you have a C2D with intel graphics.  But you have options (QEMU) even if you don't have a C2D.
May 13 16:22:00 <akk> One of the AppUp presenters said you can emulate MeeGo with virtualbox instead of qemu, but I haven't found much written about that.
May 13 16:22:51 <akk> (qemu hardware virtualization extensions, virtualbox doesn't)
May 13 16:23:58 <KDB> i hv Dell Inspiron 1545 with Core2 Duo and 4gb ram ...hope i hv no problem
May 13 16:25:42 <thiago_home> lbt: pong
May 13 16:26:41 <KDB> is nokia still support meego.......
May 13 16:27:32 <KDB> i was disipoint when they take W7...
May 13 16:28:08 <slaine> KDB, yes, but to a lesser extent
May 13 16:28:23 <slaine> They're sponsoring a lot of dev work still
May 13 16:28:35 <slaine> either via contractors or direct employee resources
May 13 16:28:56 <slaine> I assume they're also still working on that Harmattan device
May 13 16:29:05 <KDB> meego want to release its devices in the market....that will boost meego dev
May 13 16:29:53 <KDB> and i also hear nokia sold Qt....is it true?
May 13 16:30:01 <alterego> No
May 13 16:30:03 <slaine> no
May 13 16:30:05 <alterego> That is not true :)
May 13 16:30:28 <slaine> They sold some Qt contracts they managed iirc
May 13 16:30:51 <slaine> or something related to Qt commercial contracts anyway
May 13 16:31:01 <alterego> Yes, the sold off commercial licensing and support to an outside company.
May 13 16:33:17 <KDB> i m a great supporter of meego & want it become more powerful than android
May 13 16:33:32 <slaine> On mobile ?
May 13 16:33:48 <KDB> any platform
May 13 16:34:02 <slaine> I wouldn't think that's feasible. For tablets/<other> definitely so.
May 13 16:34:24 <slaine> I wouldn't like to see Android as the new Embedded Linux (which is where it's heading)
May 13 16:35:22 <alterego> Embedded is a lot more than phones
May 13 16:35:37 <alterego> Phones are getting more and more like computers every day.
May 13 16:35:48 <KDB> i love android also ...and when there is competion ..the out come is awesome
May 13 16:36:01 <alterego> So the notion of Android being "embedded" is kind of not really true.
May 13 16:37:10 <lbt> thiago_home: just wanted to say that http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/meego-de-how-you-do-it is done now.
May 13 16:37:59 <thiago_home> lbt: cool
May 13 16:38:24 <thiago_home> lbt: in time for the printouts
May 13 16:38:29 <thiago_home> Qt Quick 2.0 session also in
May 13 16:38:43 <lbt> good - slightly worried that I'm pushing too much ... this is really not just mine though
May 13 16:39:10 <lbt> the DE guys are flat out on the release so I kinda helped out :)
May 13 16:39:21 <Stskeeps|holiday> thiago_home: good time for LBN sendouts or are we still waiting?
May 13 16:41:10 <alterego> Yay, kernel panic on obs
May 13 16:41:26 <alterego> It wasn't me I sware ..
May 13 16:41:37 <lbt> eh what ?
May 13 16:41:39 <alterego> ~swear
May 13 16:41:39 <infobot> Heck is a place for people who don't believe in gosh, but only in #utah.
May 13 16:42:17 <alterego> Okay, for some reason my package is in an infinite qmake loop
May 13 16:42:23 <alterego> Anyone come across this before?
May 13 16:42:28 <alterego> https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=meego-handset-dialer&project=home%3Atswindell%3Abranches%3AMeeGo.com%3ATrunk&repository=Project_DE_Trunk_Testing_standard
May 13 16:42:42 <lbt> alterego: kernel panic during a build?
May 13 16:43:06 <alterego> lbt: I think it had a problem starting xen, then worked second time,.
May 13 16:43:18 <alterego> This is the real issue though, qmake being continually executed.
May 13 16:43:27 <lbt> alterego: mmm note the worker if you can please
May 13 16:43:42 <lbt> alterego: oh that's just Qt I'm sure .... ;)
May 13 16:43:53 <alterego> pubworker03
May 13 16:44:04 <alterego> I don't think so
May 13 16:44:09 <alterego> I think it's a packaging problem.
May 13 16:44:26 <alterego> But all I did was upload a new .tar.bz2 and update .yaml and .spec to newer version.
May 13 16:44:37 <alterego> make: Warning: File `projects.pro' has modification time 1.8e+04 s in the future
May 13 16:44:42 <lbt> looks OK to me externally
May 13 16:44:45 <Stskeeps|holiday> lbt, looked like missing qemu
May 13 16:44:46 <thiago_home> Stskeeps|holiday: I'd like to take the DE talk and the Qt Quick talk too
May 13 16:44:47 <alterego> Maybe that has something to do with it.
May 13 16:44:49 <lbt> X-Fade: fixed ntp recently
May 13 16:44:54 <lbt>  cross compile not possible due to missing static binaries
May 13 16:44:56 <lbt> mm
May 13 16:45:10 <thiago_home> Stskeeps|holiday: let's do Day 5 now between the two of us, prepare a summary for Dirk and see how soon he can reply
May 13 16:45:14 <Stskeeps|holiday> ok
May 13 16:45:38 <thiago_home> Stskeeps|holiday: btw, I de-scheduled lsobral's talk. We have one more hole open.
May 13 16:45:51 <Stskeeps|holiday> ok
May 13 16:46:02 <alterego> lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=armv8el&package=meego-handset-dialer&project=home%3Atswindell%3Abranches%3AMeeGo.com%3ATrunk&repository=Project_DE_Trunk_Testing_standard
May 13 16:46:09 <alterego> lbt: you can't say that looks right :P
May 13 16:46:26 * lbt gets blank screen
May 13 16:46:35 <Stskeeps|holiday> alterego: screenshot
May 13 16:47:21 <alterego> I think the projects.pro warning might cause qmake to return non 0 value which causes obs to retry
May 13 16:47:26 <alterego> http://pastie.org/1897429
May 13 16:48:37 * alterego tries regenerating the .tar.bz2 file
May 13 16:48:43 <lbt> nah
May 13 16:49:30 <lbt> date shouldn't be wrong
May 13 16:49:38 <thiago_home> Stskeeps|holiday: I'd like to fill up Day 1. Are you up for two talks back-to-back?
May 13 16:49:54 <alterego> Heh
May 13 16:50:17 <lbt> alterego: although your machine may have a bad date
May 13 16:50:36 <alterego> Fri May 13 17:48:00 BST 2011
May 13 16:50:39 <alterego> It's set from NTP :P
May 13 16:51:01 <alterego> That's quite amusing that I caught it on zero seconds though :D
May 13 16:57:11 <Stskeeps|holiday> lbt: err.. MeeGo DE should be marked as a BoF shouldn't it
May 13 16:57:38 <lbt> yes
May 13 16:57:54 <Stskeeps|holiday> please edit title accordingily to say BoF: then
May 13 16:58:33 <lbt> done
May 13 16:59:22 <DawnFoster> thinking that Stskeeps|holiday isn't great at the whole "holiday" thing :)
May 13 16:59:59 <DawnFoster> not that we don't appreciate the help straightening out conference proposals!
May 13 17:00:04 <Stskeeps|holiday> DawnFoster: first flying in the morning, but i don't count the conference program commitee stuff as work :P
May 13 17:00:32 <lbt> Stskeeps|holiday: does Bogna ?
May 13 17:01:48 <Stskeeps|holiday> lbt: i explictly asked for permission ;)
May 13 17:03:52 <slaine> gabrbedd: lucky, I've been going Paleo, but doing it on my own, wife's still veggy
May 13 17:10:06 <gabrbedd> slaine: well, I got volunteered for it.  The last thing I need is something ELSE just before MeeGoConf
May 13 17:10:22 <gabrbedd> slaine: But it's good, and good stuff, and supports her. :-)
May 13 17:10:33 * slaine wishes he was going to MeeGoConf
May 13 17:10:47 * gabrbedd wishes slaine was going to MeeGoConf
May 13 17:11:03 <slaine> awe, thanks. Here, have a beer
May 13 17:11:20 <gabrbedd> I would be stressed out anyway... it's just that so many things are converging on that week.
May 13 17:11:37 <gabrbedd> mmmm... thank you!
May 13 17:12:06 <slaine> Yeah, I've got a stressfull couple of weeks ahead of me now
May 13 17:32:52 * RST38h moos at wazd
May 13 17:46:39 <alterego> Wow, only 2 release blocker bugs
May 13 17:47:42 <andre__> alterego, uh?
May 13 17:47:52 <andre__> my query finds 60.
May 13 17:47:58 <alterego> Probably wrong channel, I was refering N900 DE
May 13 17:48:01 <andre__> ah
May 13 17:48:04 <andre__> phou :)
May 13 17:48:08 <alterego> ;)
May 13 17:48:29 <andre__> MeeGo_N900DE_Release_Blocker+ ?
May 13 17:48:40 <andre__> that says 51 items.
May 13 17:49:00 <alterego> Strange: https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?priority=High&keywords=n900&query_format=advanced&keywords_type=allwords&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&bug_severity=critical&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=INDEFINITION&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=ACCEPTED&bug_status=WAITING%20FOR%20UPSTREAM&bug_status=WAITING&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=anyexact&value0-0-0=MeeGo_N900DE_Release_Blocker%2B&known_name=N900DE%20TOP%2010
May 13 17:49:06 <alterego> This is the link from the DE wiki page.
May 13 17:49:25 <alterego> Oh sorry that's the top 10
May 13 17:49:29 <alterego> I was getting confused :D
May 13 17:49:38 <andre__> alterego, see at the top: "Priority: High, Severity: critical"
May 13 17:49:54 <alterego> Yeah, got the 51 now ;)
May 13 17:49:59 <andre__> https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=WAITING%20FOR%20UPSTREAM&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=MeeGo_N900DE_Release_Blocker%2B
May 13 17:53:26 <alterego> Oh, QML dialer does already have 'p' and 'w' entry.
May 13 17:53:35 <alterego> Must have forgotten I implemented that.
May 13 18:11:19 <gabrbedd> Yay!  I just forked meego-ux-daemon without much travail. :-)
May 13 18:11:36 * gabrbedd is adding custom features for his device....
May 13 18:11:54 <kamui> hey, is there a testing or experimental repository in meego for X86?  Im hoping someone already build the 2.6.37 or later kernel that I can install
May 13 18:12:06 <kamui> I don't want to rebuild it from source on this tablet
May 13 18:12:59 <gabrbedd> kamui: for 1.1?
May 13 18:13:01 <andyross> kamui: MeeGo 1.2 has been using 2.6.37 as its base for a while now, and the current pinetrail images are actually 2.6.38.
May 13 18:13:02 <kamui> yes
May 13 18:13:14 <kamui> would that be the way to go then
May 13 18:13:16 <kamui> ?
May 13 18:13:24 <andyross> Yes, as the release is just days away anyway.
May 13 18:13:37 <gabrbedd> kamui: what andyross said ^^  :-)
May 13 18:13:40 <kamui> :)
May 13 18:14:18 <gabrbedd> kamui: Depending on your device, you probably DO NOT want to build your own kernel.
May 13 18:14:38 <gabrbedd> (lots of work and a couple hidden gotchas)
May 13 18:15:36 <kamui> yea, its a Tega V2.1
May 13 18:15:39 <andyross> It's not so bad, though it depends on the device (some of the adaptation kernels have some pretty hairy patch sets).  With pinetrail, it's a tiny handful of patches.  I routinely just build on my desktop by copying the config file from the image I want to modify.
May 13 18:16:53 <kamui> andyross, should I download the initial prerelease image? 4/26?
May 13 18:17:06 <kamui> thats the only download I can find of 1.2, though I though I heard the final RC was about
May 13 18:17:56 <andyross> I always just grab whatever is current from trunk, but 1.2 just branched, so I  think you probably want to look in that tree.
May 13 18:18:42 <andyross> Yeah, should be this one until the release, at which it will be 1.2 or 1.2.0 or whatever: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/stable/1.1.99/latest/images/
May 13 18:18:50 <kamui> awesome
May 13 18:18:51 <kamui> tnx
May 13 18:21:52 <gabrbedd> kamui: andyross: Well the main gotcha is making touchscreen drivers work.  The systems for 1.2 aren't compatible with 1.1
May 13 18:22:11 <gabrbedd> That is, if you want multitouch.
May 13 18:23:14 <kamui> multitouch is an afterthought at the moment
May 13 18:23:44 <kamui> I know that my hardware (havon 2 touch display) has mature drivers in the 2.6.37 kernel and later
May 13 18:24:11 <berndhs> I still say its perverse that touch-pads are not touch devices
May 13 18:24:13 <kamui> meego 1.1 works, but the display is super sensitive to touch, which is actually not the same problem as other linux distros
May 13 18:24:16 <kamui> so I want to give it a shot
May 13 18:24:45 <kamui> I was able to fix bodhi, ubuntu, and debian with a kernel update
May 13 18:24:59 <kamui> and meego is super interesting and already designed for a touch only device interface...
May 13 18:25:27 <kamui> I never did flash meego when I ahd my N900, the first images arrived after I had already moved on
May 13 18:26:51 <gabrbedd> kamui: For a Hanvon touchscreen... I would shoot for 2.6.38 or higher.  And you'll probably need that to even get single-touch to work.
May 13 18:27:57 <gabrbedd> kamui: The Hanvon's I've encountered use the hid-multitouch driver, which was added in 2.6.38.
May 13 18:28:08 <kamui> yea, I have 2.6.39 on the other distros
May 13 18:28:27 <kamui> works well, multitouch only works in unity though which had other major flaws
May 13 18:28:48 <kamui> looks like there isn't any framework for multitouch other than gesture capture via a utility
May 13 18:28:55 <kamui> in the other wms
May 13 18:29:08 <gabrbedd> kamui: MT has two facets:  Kernel Support and X11 support.
May 13 18:29:29 <luist> meego doesnt connect to wireless or cable??
May 13 18:29:45 <gabrbedd> kamui: Kernel support has been there for quite a while, and is pretty stable (if you have the right driver).
May 13 18:30:07 <gabrbedd> kamui: For userspace, the future is the XInput2 protocol.
May 13 18:30:26 <gabrbedd> kamui: MeeGo has backported the XInput2 protocol via the mtev driver.
May 13 18:30:45 <gabrbedd> (xf86-input-mtev, IIRC)
May 13 18:31:45 <gabrbedd> However, in 1.1 there was a special kernel module (mtdev) that spoke to mtev, and they had a special relationship with each other.
May 13 18:32:41 <gabrbedd> So in 1.1, the X11 mtev requires the kernel mtdev.  If one or the other is missing --> no MT for 1.1
May 13 18:33:55 <gabrbedd> 1.2 has a setup that's more Right... but the mtev part has a couple quirks.
May 13 18:34:28 <gabrbedd> well, ONE quirk:  You have to explicitly tell mtev to manage your device.
May 13 18:34:53 <kamui> that doesn't sound so bad
May 13 18:35:32 <andre__> luist, I don't understand your question.
May 13 18:35:39 <gabrbedd> kamui: Sure... now that someone's told you.  :-p
May 13 18:35:44 <kamui> :)
May 13 18:36:05 <gabrbedd> kamui: Still it's a few hours of work.  So if you're game... go right ahead. :-)
May 13 18:36:41 <kamui> sure gabrbedd, just let me know what youre schedule is looking like so you can walk me thorugh it
May 13 18:36:42 <kamui> :-D
May 13 18:36:58 <kamui> first things first, lets see if 1.2 even has a usable touch interface
May 13 18:37:41 <gabrbedd> kamui: lol
May 13 18:38:13 <gabrbedd> Go 1.2, use the kernel meego-adaptation-pinetrail
May 13 18:38:38 <kamui> ok, I downloaded the tablet pinetrail img
May 13 18:38:39 <kamui> aobut to flash it
May 13 18:38:54 <kamui> then I need to install that kernel post install?
May 13 18:39:35 <kamui> ok, im runnin with it
May 13 18:40:26 <gabrbedd> kamui: Yes, you probably need to post-install that package.  Let me know whether you do or don't, though.
May 13 18:42:18 <gabrbedd> kamui: There was discussion on the ML that it's already in the tablet-pinetrail images... but the logs say that it's not.
May 13 18:42:44 <kamui> will do, im writing the image to my jump drive now, Ill let you know what I find
May 13 18:47:41 <kamui> gabrbedd, btw, I noticed the 1.1 installer mangled my grub bootloader, even though I specified the additional OS's to boot
May 13 18:47:59 <kamui> is it broken?  Not a huge deal, as I can just reconfigure grub again after booting back into debian
May 13 18:49:30 <gabrbedd> kamui: Yes, it will mangle your boot loader.
May 13 18:50:06 <gabrbedd> kamui: It writes to the MBR to use the meego bootloader, and then tries to support the other OS's.
May 13 18:50:49 <gabrbedd> kamui: It doesn't do a great job, though -- because being a desktop OS isn't a priority for MeeGo.
May 13 18:50:59 <gabrbedd> kamui: There's no way to disable MeeGo's boot loader.
May 13 18:51:05 <gabrbedd> ...at the install that is.
May 13 18:53:14 <kamui> ok
May 13 18:53:19 <kamui> so here's another fun fact
May 13 18:53:24 <kamui> looks like the system booted
May 13 18:53:27 <kamui> no touch screen at all
May 13 18:53:35 <kamui> is there a default U/P for the console?
May 13 18:54:08 <gabrbedd> can you plug in a mouse?
May 13 18:54:22 <gabrbedd> U/P = meego/meego  and root/meego
May 13 18:54:50 <kamui> yea, but nothing
May 13 18:54:53 <kamui> no cursor
May 13 18:55:06 <kamui> and the screen is rotated 90deg
May 13 18:55:45 <kamui> kernel shows both the usb mouse and the hanvon touch detected
May 13 18:56:06 <gabrbedd> oh yeah, I forgot they turned the cursor off.
May 13 18:56:09 * gabrbedd turned his on.
May 13 18:56:28 <gabrbedd> rotation is normal.
May 13 18:56:39 <gabrbedd> Ctrl+Alt+F1 takes you to a console (if you didn't know)
May 13 18:56:52 <gabrbedd> ...and if you have a keyboard :-)
May 13 18:59:06 <kamui> im at the console
May 13 18:59:12 <kamui> just verified the kernel driver is working
May 13 18:59:19 <kamui> and assigned the touchscreen to /dev/input/event8
May 13 18:59:36 <kamui> looking in the X11/conf.d/ files
May 13 18:59:56 <gabrbedd> kamui:  What does `rpm -qa kernel*` give you?
May 13 19:00:19 <kamui> 2.6.37
May 13 19:00:22 <kamui> .2
May 13 19:01:10 <gabrbedd> kamui: Yeah, it'll detect the touchscreen... but use the wrong driver.  It should at least single-touch OK out-of-the-box.
May 13 19:01:29 <kamui> thats what I would have expected
May 13 19:01:55 <gabrbedd> kamui: But for me... the hanvon's won't work like that... they need the hid-multitouch driver.
May 13 19:02:33 <gabrbedd> zypper refresh && zypper install kernel-adaptation-pinetrail && shutdown -r now
May 13 19:02:35 <gabrbedd> :-)
May 13 19:02:55 <gabrbedd> (That is... if it's installed instead of live)
May 13 19:06:14 <kamui> no chance
May 13 19:06:19 <kamui> tablet only has a wifi adapter
May 13 19:06:25 <kamui> and i got no interwebs
May 13 19:06:29 <kamui> where can I download it manually
May 13 19:07:19 <kamui> unless I can configure the supplicant manually
May 13 19:07:37 <kamui> I haven't touched command line wireless configuration in like 10 years
May 13 19:07:54 <gabrbedd> kamui: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.99/1.1.99.5.20110503.6/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/
May 13 19:08:31 <gabrbedd> kamui: command line wireless will be a catch-22.  Need connman-tests or connman-utils or something like that (not installed by default)
May 13 19:09:32 <kamui> lol
May 13 19:09:39 <kamui> well, I just got your package, im copying it now
May 13 19:09:49 <kamui> rpm -Uvh should handle it?
May 13 19:10:02 <thiago_home> Stskeeps|holiday: replied
May 13 19:10:04 <gabrbedd> kamui: yes
May 13 19:11:36 <kamui> ok
May 13 19:11:42 <kamui> grubby failed unable to find a suitable template
May 13 19:11:49 <kamui> I assume thats a bad sign
May 13 19:11:59 <kamui> meaning I aint bootin into the new kernel
May 13 19:12:46 <kamui> but the package otherwise did install
May 13 19:14:47 <gabrbedd> kamui: If you're using grub... you'll have to make sure grub is updated properly.  Know vi ?
May 13 19:15:18 <kamui> yes
May 13 19:15:34 <kamui> but I don't even see a grub.cfg menu.lst, OR the grub.d in etc from grub2
May 13 19:15:57 <kamui> and it only seems to have this grubby tool
May 13 19:16:03 <kamui> which Im not familiar with
May 13 19:16:13 <gabrbedd> kamui: Dunno.  You switched to grub, so you bought that part.  :-)
May 13 19:16:33 <gabrbedd> meego's default is extlinux, and I've never had trouble isntalling a kernel with it.
May 13 19:16:53 <piggz> are there any repositories i can add to meego to get gcompris, and maybe some other kids software?
May 13 19:17:23 <gabrbedd> kamui: My guess is that you need to mount the partition with grub and edit it.
May 13 19:18:20 <kamui> gabrbedd, so
May 13 19:18:26 <kamui> having rpm'd it
May 13 19:18:32 <kamui> the grubby error can probably be ignored?
May 13 19:18:42 <kamui> that was the only verbose output from Uvh
May 13 19:18:51 <gabrbedd> kammui: yymv.
May 13 19:19:11 <pixelgeek1> piggz: gcompris should be in the netbook repo.
May 13 19:19:13 <kamui> ok, well, Ill give it a shot, worst case scenario I boot up again with the installer
May 13 19:19:13 <gabrbedd> kamui: You at least didn't /delete/ your old kernel, so it's probably still bootabl.
May 13 19:20:03 <piggz> pixelgeek1: its not showing up in any lists...im running the latest 1.1.99 image
May 13 19:20:17 <kamui> gabrbedd, no luck, but it did boot back into 2.6.37
May 13 19:20:24 <kamui> how do I use extlinux
May 13 19:20:29 <kamui> never even heard of it
May 13 19:21:40 <kamui> ha!
May 13 19:21:45 <kamui> it looks just like the lilo config
May 13 19:21:53 <kamui> /boot/extlinux/extlinux.cfg
May 13 19:21:55 <kamui> :)
May 13 19:22:00 <gabrbedd> kamui: It's part of the syslinux/isolinux project.
May 13 19:22:07 <kamui> im just gonna change the values, do you install it by running the command after?
May 13 19:22:11 <gabrbedd> yep. that's the files.
May 13 19:22:17 <gabrbedd> Add a second section.
May 13 19:23:09 <gabrbedd> If extlinux is installed in your MBR, and the boot partition is ext3, and the boot partition is the only one with the 'boot' flag set in your partition table...
May 13 19:23:14 <gabrbedd> THEN you're good to go.
May 13 19:23:53 <gabrbedd> Installer does this for you, so that may be the path of least resistance. :-)
May 13 19:24:09 <kamui> im making the new entry as we speak
May 13 19:24:20 <kamui> also, fixed the menu to prompt now and set the timeout to 10 seconds instead of 1
May 13 19:24:28 <kamui> probably also why the bootmenu isn't working :)
May 13 19:24:57 <gabrbedd> boot menu is hidden/autoboot by default.
May 13 19:24:58 <piggz> pixelgeek1: i can find it in the 1.0 and 1.1 netbook repos, but not 1.2 :/
May 13 19:25:40 * gabrbedd has to leave now...
May 13 19:25:48 <gabrbedd> kamui: good luck. :-)
May 13 19:27:22 <kamui> thanks for all the help man
May 13 19:28:04 <kamui> looks like the config file works btw, just need to get the kernel right
May 13 19:28:05 <kamui> :)
May 13 19:29:53 <kamui> forgot to make the symlink in extlinux
May 13 19:30:26 <kamui> works broski!  touchscreen active!
May 13 19:30:27 <kamui> :)
May 13 19:56:00 <renato> his guys is possible on the .spec file, identify if the packages is building on Meego 1.2, 1.1, etc..
May 13 20:36:47 <gabrbedd> kamui: Great!  Glad you got it working!
May 13 20:38:27 <gabrbedd> renato: I don't think so.  Maybe look for macros in /usr/lib/rpm/macros/ and/or /etc/rpm/  -- but I don't think one exists with an version indication.
May 13 20:43:46 <kamui> thanks a ton for the help gabrbedd
May 13 20:45:36 <kamui> btw gabrbedd is the tablet edition the only edition with the soft keyboard?
May 13 20:46:04 <lcuk> no kamui, the handset build also has one afaik
May 13 20:46:13 <kamui> hey lcuk
May 13 20:46:25 <lcuk> \o
May 13 20:47:55 <CosmoHill> hey lcuk
May 13 21:08:33 <lcuk> hi CosmoHill
May 13 21:08:37 <lcuk> how goes it this evening
May 13 21:31:25 <CosmoHill> lcuk: alright, got to drive my friends car a little and drew at football
May 13 21:46:08 <GAN900> You have a car for friends?
May 13 21:56:40 <CosmoHill> -.-
May 14 02:49:52 <sfrique> hello all
May 14 02:50:19 <sfrique> i was looking fo rthe best way of tryinf meego out
May 14 02:50:24 <sfrique> i have an n900
May 14 02:50:52 <sfrique> anyone ??
May 14 02:51:48 <gabrbedd> sfrique: Most of the N900 dudes are in europe, and in bed.
May 14 02:52:15 <gabrbedd> sfrique: I usually install MeeGo on atom-based netbooks/tablets... and that's fun.
May 14 02:52:56 <sfrique> i am reading wiki now
May 14 02:53:00 <sfrique> and found the article
May 14 02:53:04 <sfrique> i was looking for
May 14 02:53:08 <sfrique> thanks!
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