**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 18 02:59:57 2011 May 18 03:44:27 morning May 18 03:49:28 evening May 18 03:56:49 howdy! May 18 04:06:40 dang wiki needs an update. May 18 04:22:23 vgrade, are you using/sharing code with the trimslice guys with respect to your tegra2 work? May 18 04:23:21 right, 5am there atm, heh. May 18 04:44:18 in the meego 1.2 netbook UX, the "meego-panel-people" app now (in 1.2.0) comes up "available" as soon as the network comes up. is there a way to switch back to old behavior 1.1.99 of march/april, which was to stay offline until i went online explicitly? May 18 04:45:56 but then again, maybe I missed the needed customization in the output of "gconftool-2 -R /" May 18 06:36:46 hey guys May 18 06:36:58 does anyone know about mcompositor? May 18 06:37:11 in detail? May 18 06:37:48 kimmo hämäläinen probably does May 18 06:38:37 hmmm, does any of you know punk clubs in SF? (i know it's stupid question, but still want to know :) ) May 18 06:41:13 ss_: what detail? May 18 06:41:18 * w00t_ knows a few things about it May 18 06:42:19 iekku: most punk stuff is in oakland i'm told May 18 06:43:17 ieatlint, oh, ok May 18 06:43:37 ieatlint, i think that's not doable then :( costs too much, i think :D May 18 06:44:13 i'm told http://www.924gilman.org/ is a suggestion May 18 06:44:17 berkeley there actually May 18 06:44:49 OH MY GOOD OH MY GOOD!!!! May 18 06:44:52 it's 1mile walk from a BART station (local urban rail) May 18 06:45:01 citizen fish playing there 22th May 18 06:45:35 well May 18 06:45:43 after running mcompositor May 18 06:45:55 my touchscreen doesnt work at all May 18 06:46:13 BART to the nearby station would be cheap (probably $3-4 each way), but you'd still have to walk a decent way (or take an expensive taxi, which would be difficult on the trip from the club to the station) May 18 06:46:17 ieatlint, i'm so greatful for you about that link that i can't even tell May 18 06:46:40 I am just wondering if mcompositor is affecting touch event or sth May 18 07:14:32 Bostik: ping May 18 07:20:09 lbt: oink May 18 07:42:24 hi,everyone, I meet a problem. I have been intalled wayland on meego .But, When I run compositor in meego's terminal. It gives a error as follows: "DrmModeGetResources failed". Although the compositor can run now, but the other simple demos can't run on the compositor. Anyone have some good idea about this problem? May 18 07:45:56 lanyijia, first thing i'd check would be permissions on your drm/dri character devices May 18 07:48:51 how to check? May 18 07:50:05 ls -l /dev probably May 18 07:51:02 Morning, all May 18 07:53:36 There is a file, namd dri. May 18 07:53:37 Does it mean that my computer can support DRM? May 18 07:55:45 direct rendering manager, yes May 18 07:59:54 then, do what? I think I need to modify the GPU's mode to make it use DRM.right? May 18 08:00:50 to allow users access possibly May 18 08:01:07 "chmod 777 /dev/dri" maybe May 18 08:14:06 yes,this method can help me to deal with 'DrmModeGetResources failed'. However, wayland still cannot run. thank you, ver . May 18 08:15:14 lanyijia, to be brutally honest i haven't used meego ever. any suggestions i give you will be total guesses. May 18 08:16:50 :) May 18 08:18:18 or wayland for that matter May 18 08:24:18 have you meet this problem: 'bash:syntax error near unexpected token ';' ' in meego's terminal. May 18 08:25:01 i want to run two demos at the same time in meego. May 18 08:25:28 it means your bash syntax is busted May 18 08:25:47 I'd just use '&' May 18 08:26:08 pastebin the commandline May 18 08:26:33 '&' and ';' are the same? May 18 08:27:03 nope May 18 08:27:24 & is fork while remaining attached to the pty. May 18 08:29:46 add '(' ')', and then ';' can be used. May 18 09:34:12 hy all. Is the 1.2.80 build the final release candidate? will there be any change in the 1.2 release as opposed to this build? May 18 09:43:27 andreizro, 1.2.80 is the 1.3 development image May 18 09:48:10 hello all, where can I get more recent handset images? the ones I see are from October '10 May 18 09:48:38 http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 where is the equalent for 1.3? http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.3 seems to be missing May 18 09:49:11 luisbg, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/ ? May 18 09:49:19 but those are unstable ones May 18 09:49:34 andre__, latest stable is that one from October '10? May 18 09:49:38 andre__, and thanks :) May 18 09:50:23 Does anybody know if there's an iCal feed of the conference schedule yet, or a shiny QML app? May 18 09:50:42 andre__, do you know which version runs in the ideaPad they gave in the last conference? May 18 09:51:03 Jaffa: qml dialer? :) May 18 09:51:05 not by heart :) May 18 09:51:11 Jaffa: in images as of today May 18 09:51:47 araujo: OK. do you know where is the 1.2 Gold image ? I see 1.1.99.6 was supposed to go out on May 11, but I can't find it May 18 09:55:20 alterego: Not just a general shiny QML app, but one to help with the conference attendanceness May 18 09:55:47 Hrm, not sure then May 18 09:57:53 Jaffa, sojourner is the app used for confs typically May 18 09:57:55 http://maemo.org/packages/view/sojourner/ May 18 09:58:01 it was last updated for summit-fi May 18 10:15:28 andreizro, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.1.99/1.1.99.7.20110516.2/images/ , latest one for the upcoming 1.2 May 18 10:16:17 \o araujo May 18 10:16:46 lcuk, o/ ! May 18 10:16:51 how it goes lcuk ? :) May 18 10:23:55 araujo, reasonable, just looking at the photo app ( bug 16023 ) May 18 10:23:57 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16023 nor, Undecided, ---, ziv.chang, NEW, [Trunk:Testing] The photo files are not displayed in photo viewer May 18 10:24:43 Space Shuttle and ISS have just docked. May 18 10:24:59 in MeeGo? May 18 10:30:59 andre__, lol May 18 10:31:27 Next Generation rovers powered by MeeGo ISVI May 18 10:55:21 DawnFoster: thiago: are you aware of a machine-readable (i.e. XML) version of the Conference schedule? http://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2011/05/18/sojourner-help-wanted-for-meego-conference-sf/ May 18 10:56:46 Jaffa: heh ... was talking to timoph on #meego-fi yesterday or monday about that May 18 11:10:48 anyone using the meego emulator in qtcreator? The 'start meego emulator' button is disabled - any clues why? May 18 11:11:32 maxw: which meego sdk version you are using and on which system ? May 18 11:12:07 I'm on fedora14 and the 1.2 sdk, iirc (just downloaded it today) May 18 11:16:07 ah, hrm...with a branch new project, it seems to work...I guess that's my clue to figuring out what is wrong... May 18 11:16:19 I mean 'brand new project' May 18 11:24:11 is module-avahi-* not available on meego 1,2? May 18 11:34:21 eg81:I'm stuck again...my app is plain QtQuick, but I need to use components that would normally be in the chroot (or scratchbox in the world I've moved from). I'm confused how this works... May 18 11:34:41 If I make a qtquick project, I don't get the emulator available May 18 11:38:09 Truly enlightening comments here: https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/update-intel May 18 11:38:26 maxw: hmm why do you need chroot/scratchbox, you said it's a simple qml application May 18 11:39:21 well, the app is plain qml...but it uses components May 18 11:39:37 and I don't really want to install components onto my host system May 18 11:40:01 ...but, yes, I don't really understand how this stuff works May 18 11:40:37 maxw: can you select "qt quick application" instead of "qt quick ui" in new project window ? May 18 11:40:54 then you will be able to select available targets May 18 11:40:57 I've been working on changes to meego-ux-{components,media}, so I need to figure out how to install those into the emulator too, I suppose May 18 11:41:01 ok, I'll try that May 18 11:42:05 of course, I have existing project files May 18 11:43:40 yeah, the qtquickapplication enables the emulator...I guess I can use the .pro file from that to figure out what changes I need to my own 'plain qml' app's .profile file, right? May 18 11:44:37 maxw: right May 18 11:45:16 ok, thanks...will see how far I get May 18 11:54:59 np May 18 12:20:41 trouble installing a runtime here: http://pastebin.ca/2063402 any clues/tips? May 18 12:22:42 mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime -fg May 18 12:23:02 poweron :) May 18 12:23:11 mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime poweron -fg May 18 12:24:47 hmm, says "Runtime 'meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime' not found". it seems mad is calling "/opt/meego/qemu-gl/bin/qemugl -hda meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.20110110.1049-sda.raw -name MeeGo -m 1024 -boot c -enable-kvm -vga std -enable-gl -device virtio-gl-pci -soundhw ac97 -net nic -net user,hostfwd=tcp:127.0.0.1:6666-:22,hostfwd=tcp:127.0.0.1:13219-:13219,hostfwd=tcp:127.0.0.1:14168-:14168" which yields "/opt/meego/qemu-gl/bin/qemugl: inva May 18 12:24:47 lid option -- '-enable-kvm'" May 18 12:25:53 YEAH _o/ grub for meego! May 18 12:26:12 grub supports btrfs now May 18 12:27:00 eg81: hi...me again..although I launched the emulator, it seems it was supposed to display more than just a black screen...I see some kvm bug related to ubuntu (I'm on fedora)...any ideas? May 18 12:29:22 maxw: sounds like this https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16209, but I'm not sure May 18 12:29:25 Bug 16209 nor, High, ---, zhiyuan.lv, VERI FIXED, meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.99.0.20110329.5-runtime showing entire black screen May 18 12:29:30 is it handset or netbook version ? May 18 12:30:03 tablet May 18 12:30:08 oh... May 18 12:30:13 (I think) May 18 12:30:29 which target you are using ? May 18 12:30:29 well, I want the tablet anyway - though I guess I don't really care at this point May 18 12:31:04 target? May 18 12:31:29 how do I find that? May 18 12:32:12 I see a few "Unknown MeeGo version!" messages in the terminal I ran qtcreator from. May 18 12:32:30 maxw: that's known version May 18 12:32:45 tfu s/version/problem May 18 12:32:58 :) May 18 12:33:03 oh, ok...I can ignore that then...how to find the target? May 18 12:33:58 yes, you can ignore it, in qt creator click on projects (on the left side) May 18 12:34:21 k...nothing 'target' May 18 12:34:26 then you should see two builds (desktop, and another is meego) May 18 12:34:27 right ? May 18 12:34:47 so what qt version is in MeeGo panel May 18 12:35:39 ah, I see 'targets' ;) build settings...general...qt version...meego-tablet-ia32-1.2.0.0.0.20010516.6 May 18 12:35:53 is that what you wanted? May 18 12:36:19 yes, so now I know which target and version you are using May 18 12:37:49 fyi, I'm just trying an unmodified qtquick application atm, which seems to be a 'hello world' May 18 12:45:02 :) May 18 12:57:58 eg81: is that bug not marked as 'fixed'? May 18 12:58:51 brb May 18 13:00:48 hmm, do application windows in the meego tablet have to set some xatom in particular to get in the window list? May 18 13:09:14 MeeGoBot: brbr, which bug ? May 18 13:09:15 eg81: Sorry, I've no idea what 'brbr, which bug' might be. May 18 13:09:23 maxw: which bug ? May 18 13:11:43 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16209 May 18 13:11:46 Bug 16209 nor, High, ---, zhiyuan.lv, VERI FIXED, meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.99.0.20110329.5-runtime showing entire black screen May 18 13:12:10 verified today May 18 13:12:17 but no comments.... May 18 13:12:23 y May 18 13:12:36 I guess I have to wait then May 18 13:12:51 asked the comments, May 18 13:13:18 hope they are available soon May 18 13:13:26 me too May 18 13:13:37 anyway, I guess I should chroot in the meantime May 18 13:21:56 maxw: if I remember correctly this bug was related only to handset runtime May 18 13:25:38 eg81:hrm...well I guess there aren't so many differences and I don't suppose too many people have tried the tablet ones, no? May 18 13:35:44 maxw: they use different graphical backends as I know, and this issue was related to opengl es (only handsets), but let me check that tablet image if it works for me May 18 13:38:53 I think tablets also use opengl es (still powervr)...I'm often wrong though ;) May 18 13:39:00 thanks for checking May 18 13:39:46 maxw, being wrong is ok as long as you listen to folks and learn from things May 18 13:40:08 indeed :) May 18 13:50:29 maxw: meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.0.0.20110516.6-runtime image works fine to me May 18 13:51:07 ok, good to know May 18 13:51:25 I'll try again tomorrow :/ May 18 13:52:12 eg81:any clues what I might have done wrong? May 18 13:54:01 maxw: which graphical card is on your computer ? is it intel, or nvidia/ati ? May 18 13:54:05 intel May 18 13:54:19 hmm May 18 13:54:49 to things that you can do - 1. start this runtime from command line May 18 13:54:52 e.g. mad remote -r meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.0.0.20110516.6-runtime poweron -fg May 18 13:55:03 2. logon onto device using ssh May 18 13:55:15 check Xorg and messages file... maybe there some errors May 18 13:55:29 3. create bug report :) May 18 13:55:57 well, logging onto the device using ssh was the first problem I had... May 18 13:56:02 it kept closing the connection May 18 13:56:46 but I have a bus to catch, so I'll make a note of above and attack it again in the morning - thanks! May 18 13:57:04 ok :) May 18 14:19:52 how do you close an application in MeeGo? I mean, I want to go back to the panels view May 18 14:19:58 and yes... I'm ashamed I have to ask this May 18 14:21:47 there is usually a physical home button May 18 14:26:39 luisbg, on which device? May 18 14:26:52 lcuk, ideapad... and I discovered the windows key does the trick May 18 14:28:11 ahh May 18 14:28:28 luisbg, a bit fiddly if you want it in slate mode! May 18 14:28:56 lcuk, slate mode? May 18 14:28:57 and... May 18 14:29:10 the button to change the orientation of the screen doesn't work, which is a bit uncomfortable May 18 14:29:12 luisbg, if you turn the ideapad into a slate May 18 14:29:40 ahhh yes, but in "laptop" mode the screen is sometimes sideways May 18 14:29:50 the display on the screen, no the actual screen sorry May 18 14:30:12 ahh portrait mode for the launcher and stuff May 18 14:30:17 yes May 18 14:30:29 does rotation work on the ideapad these days? May 18 14:33:17 sergiusens, nope May 18 14:33:19 sergiusens, the last I heard was that the kernel module thingy required was still not being used May 18 14:33:20 at least not here May 18 14:33:42 i believe the ideapad has the required accelerometers May 18 14:34:32 lcuk: yes, I've heard that it does support it, but the required modules weren't there. I'm no kernel hacker so my stance is to wait and ask every now and then May 18 14:40:45 sergiusens, add yourself to bug 10885 May 18 14:40:48 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10885 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] Accelerometer support for Lenovo S10-3t in QtMobility May 18 14:42:29 sergiusens, and so when you discuss it, you can also give link to there and a potential kernel/qt/mobility hacker can follow it through if they have skills May 18 14:43:41 thanks for the link lcuk May 18 14:44:04 * sergiusens is happy he finally switched from MeeGo netbook's empathy to irssi for irc May 18 14:45:03 sergiusens: lcuk: do the req'd modules exist somewhere? Or do they need to be written? May 18 14:47:28 gabrbedd, I don't know. but I bet one of the 460 people here do ->> May 18 14:49:49 I'm unaware of their existence or non existence May 18 14:53:23 lcuk: sergiusens: OK. If it already exists somewhere, it's an easy fix. If not, then not quite so easy. :-) May 18 14:53:43 DawnFoster: Good morning! May 18 14:54:15 morning gabrbedd May 18 14:54:42 DawnFoster: What are the standard resources for conf. session rooms? (Ones that I don't have to make a special request for.) May 18 14:55:09 * gabrbedd hopes he's not asking something that's already published. May 18 14:55:31 I thought it was on the wiki somewhere, but could be wrong May 18 14:55:48 we have all of the standard stuff - projector, microphones, etc. May 18 14:56:02 sessions will be videotaped May 18 14:56:32 bring any special cables / adaptors to plug into VGA May 18 14:56:49 DawnFoster: OK, thanks. I didn't want to assume. May 18 14:56:51 :-) May 18 14:57:04 but you should confirm any special presentation needs in case I missed something :) May 18 14:57:38 DawnFoster, having an app to log the bluetooth connections nearby would really help with reconstructing corridor track discussions after the events! May 18 14:58:05 so that your memory of standing talking to "someone" on the runup to dinner time May 18 14:58:19 can be linked with bluetooth names and help remember more of it May 18 14:58:37 lcuk: hmmm, sounds a little big brother May 18 14:58:48 * gabrbedd will be sure to pack a tin-foil hat May 18 14:58:55 just an automated way of remembering people May 18 14:59:13 hum, isnt that kind of a security issue that Tablet UX runs with a ssh daemon enabled by default? well-known default users/passwords etc ... May 18 14:59:48 DawnFoster, digital conf badges are similar principle May 18 15:00:09 mikhas_: That's typical for development. I would expect that it's removed on release day. If not, that's unforgivable. May 18 15:00:12 lcuk: true - people either love the idea or hate it :) May 18 15:00:48 yeah, I guess barcodes on the badges and photos thereof would be the better way :) May 18 15:01:14 people should bring QR codes May 18 15:01:26 with basic contact info May 18 15:01:32 I have n900 on a lanyard :) May 18 15:02:26 DawnFoster, http://liqbase.net/liq.pendant.20091225_001.jpg May 18 15:05:47 DawnFoster: any chance that there would be us power plug adaptors handed out to participants? Or should I pick one from the airport / hotel? May 18 15:06:21 lcuk: :-) May 18 15:06:34 Ronksu: I *think* that we are going to put adaptors in the bags May 18 15:06:49 however, I don't know *when* the bags are being distributed May 18 15:06:58 DawnFoster: awesome. That would have been my next question :) May 18 15:07:29 Ronksu: no later than Monday morning, but not sure about weekend attendees May 18 15:08:36 DawnFoster: yep. Will be there on Friday afternoon, so probably best to buy one somewhere May 18 15:08:58 Ronksu: yeah, good idea. should be easy enough to find in SF May 18 15:10:04 Ronksu: ...or at your outbound airport May 18 15:10:12 DawnFoster: Hopefully I'll get a bag this time :-) May 18 15:10:34 not expecting it to be difficult, just hoped to avoid buying one if one is given out anyway May 18 15:10:44 * Jaffa has got laptop & USB chargers for UK, US & European plugs now, so hopefully adapterless :) May 18 15:11:23 * w00t_ has european, UK adapters and will be getting US adapters May 18 15:11:36 I meant to get some on the way to finland this time, but sort of forgot May 18 15:13:32 dneary, the Warmup Weekend page about the MXR on Sunday confuses me. Is that "Mozilla Cross Reference"? Would it be possible to add a hyperlink to some explanatory content? May 18 15:13:37 hmm, might just have found one. Could be for japan though (not sure if they are the same) May 18 15:13:55 Alison_Chaiken, I actually don't know May 18 15:14:05 timeless isn't about, no? May 18 15:14:08 Tomorrow I will go and buy glue sticks, etc. for the Sat afternoon festivities. Angela should have the balsa for a weeke. May 18 15:14:21 I think it's MeeGo X something S something May 18 15:14:28 or R something May 18 15:14:33 Alison_Chaiken: mxr, mxr.meego.com? May 18 15:14:37 I gather that MXR is similar to cscope, but am not sure. May 18 15:14:38 MXR is a cross-reference tool, orgiinally developed by Mozilla May 18 15:14:50 Shows source code in a web browser allowing links to navigate between them May 18 15:15:18 So Jaffa, instead of using cscope in emacs I can use MXR in Firefox? They are equivalent? May 18 15:15:47 Alison_Chaiken: mxr is like for multiple sources i think May 18 15:15:51 Alison_Chaiken: Dunno - years since I used emacs. But, I think so May 18 15:16:02 Also, as Stskeeps|holiday says, it can work across very wide codebases May 18 15:16:23 Ah Stskeeps, you mean that cscope is limited to local files, while MXR also looks are remote repos? That sounds useful. May 18 15:16:48 Alison_Chaiken, the mxr repositories contain whole source repositories May 18 15:16:57 you can just use it from any browser May 18 15:17:16 Just trying to decide whether to get up early on Sunday morning . . . long trip from my abode to SF, whine. May 18 15:18:36 * Jaffa 's in AppUp Sunday morning May 18 15:24:12 does anyone know what package contains the debuggin symbols for pthread? May 18 15:24:32 glibc-debuinfo? May 18 15:24:39 Bdebug May 18 15:26:28 thanks... was searching for pthread*-debuginfo May 18 15:30:07 Alison_Chaiken, if it is timeless giving the session, it might be worth getting up for! he is so animated in RL!!! :P May 18 15:37:05 hi May 18 15:37:52 does anyone know where I file bugs in the n900-de about peregrine, since bug 17524 was the first but not only one May 18 15:37:53 how do i download sources of this package https://build.meego.com/package/show?package=chromium&project=MeeGo%3A1.2.0%3Aoss from build serve? May 18 15:37:55 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17524 nor, Undecided, ---, james.ausmus, RESO INVALID, [N900 DE] Peregrine QML UI does not have "Pan to desktop" May 18 15:37:56 *server May 18 15:50:22 lcuk, yes May 18 15:50:24 let me comment May 18 15:51:59 thanks andre__ May 18 15:52:26 DawnFoster: wrong approach to have the facebook group not up to date... who is "owner" of the group? could setup twitter to make use of it May 18 15:52:35 lcuk, done May 18 15:52:55 URL is also listed on http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/UpstreamBugTrackers May 18 15:52:56 chem|st: some people are updating it (just not me) May 18 15:53:25 chem|st: the LF is working to get this sorted out May 18 15:54:02 DawnFoster: ok, I was wondering about the page name containing "open" but had no deeper look May 18 15:54:15 chem|st: my point was that the information is no different than what people can get via twitter and other channels - they aren't "missing" anything by not being on FB May 18 15:54:35 if they listen to other channels yes May 18 15:55:03 andre__: i think we need to revise DE bugs after SF.. shouldnt clutter meego.com too much May 18 15:55:11 people are also squatting on other pages - the LF is working on it. the openmeego page is not the only one that is trying to appear to be the official page May 18 15:55:18 but the FB userbase is one to point at for spreading the "word" May 18 15:55:40 Don't squat on my page, bro! May 18 15:56:22 gabrbedd: that's like an invitation May 18 15:56:52 Stskeeps|holiday, is it that much clutter actually? if so, where? :) May 18 15:57:49 mikhas_: That's typical for development. I would expect that it's removed on release day. If not, that's unforgivable. ==> on the netbook ux, doesn't /etc/init.d/vfirstboot run on first install, which prompts for user account/password and sets the root account to the same password (which is better than leaving it at 'meego') May 18 15:58:12 * npm catches up May 18 15:58:21 npm: Running an ssh server by default on a consumer device is a major bad. May 18 15:58:44 well, not as bad as shipping a browser with no sandboxing May 18 15:58:45 :-) May 18 15:58:47 gabrbedd: What consumer device? May 18 15:58:58 true, it's a developer device May 18 15:59:31 Jaffa: Isn't MeeGo for consumer devices? The 1.2 distribution should not have ssh servers by default. May 18 15:59:40 we dream of a mass distribution consumer device, this is true May 18 15:59:48 npm: btw, I don't think tablet runs the 'firstboot' by default. May 18 15:59:53 gabrbedd: What consumer gets a MeeGo image for their device from meego.com? May 18 16:00:29 gabrbedd: There are some nearly-consumer devices in some markets which ship images based off *packages* from build.meego.com. May 18 16:00:32 Jaffa: OK. How about this: it's major bad for ANY LINUX DISTRO. May 18 16:00:33 :-) May 18 16:00:47 gabrbedd: well that might be the problem, but that's just points to a bigger problem that all the different UX'es and duplication and lack of patch-synch between them May 18 16:01:26 gabrbedd: Oh yeah, it's a fail - but it's not like MeeGo 1.2 will appear as-is on any "proper" consumer devices; nor will any consumers download and use 1.2 images from meego.com May 18 16:01:28 if there was a "core" meego distro that was secure, and all the other "UX" inherited that security, it would be more sane May 18 16:01:55 but for example there's version 8, 11, and 12 of chromium packaged in different ways in all the difft uxes May 18 16:02:30 all w/ varying levels of lack of patches off the latest security warnings May 18 16:03:19 meego needs more "all the wood behind one arrow" ... not that such mcnealyisms heped sunmicro May 18 16:03:37 how do i download sources of this package https://build.meego.com/package/show?package=chromium&project=MeeGo%3A1.2.0%3Aoss from build server? May 18 16:04:49 in addition to a public SSH there's also "631/tcp open ipp CUPS 1.4" May 18 16:04:52 ssh server? first thing installed after first boot on any *linux I setup yet... May 18 16:06:18 chem|st, and you use "linux" as root password, I guess? May 18 16:06:47 if SSH is setup by default, it should be setup w/o root login capability, and private keys should be generated for access to any accounts. then the only thing they can do is buffer overflow sploits May 18 16:06:49 chem|st: Me, too. But we're not talking about guys like you and me. May 18 16:06:51 mikhas_: no ssh for root and no port 22 for ssh... May 18 16:06:54 chem|st, it's the default password root-login-enabled-by-default thing that's bad May 18 16:07:45 mikhas_: then make it not autostart or ask for a root passwd on first boot May 18 16:07:57 I am sure MeeGo can do better than a typical Wireless router, wrt. default security May 18 16:08:11 having a default passwd is bad not the ssh server May 18 16:08:12 I like npm's idea more May 18 16:08:13 imho the vfirstboot thing should also ask whether ssh or CUPS should be setup and made public May 18 16:08:24 and root login needs to be disabled by default May 18 16:08:34 (ssh keys, no password) May 18 16:08:49 me too :-) May 18 16:09:23 mikhas_: ... May 18 16:09:56 npm: the keys are on the other side not on the device May 18 16:10:16 actually the private key is on the device, the public key is on the other side May 18 16:10:17 so how do you automagically add them to authorized_keys?! May 18 16:10:45 so you can gen a new private key for every account, and give a pointer to the id_rsa.pub file May 18 16:11:12 ? May 18 16:11:30 So... how is the ssh server getting in there? Is it part of the "MeeGo Base Development" package? May 18 16:11:34 private and public key on the device are for outgoing connections relevant not incoming... May 18 16:11:45 i'm sure there's a right way to do it, but i just use 'ssh-add' May 18 16:11:47 s/package/pattern/ May 18 16:11:49 gabrbedd meant: So... how is the ssh server getting in there? Is it part of the "MeeGo Base Development" pattern? May 18 16:11:58 my desktop does not know any of the keys on my netbook May 18 16:12:09 If so, I think it's reasonable to expect that pattern to be removed when they release. May 18 16:12:32 but the netbook got the .pub from desktop to ssh desktop -> netbook not the other way round May 18 16:12:40 It's just for me or the OBS command line client is so buggy that is nearly unusable? May 18 16:13:58 tmpsantos: just you May 18 16:14:41 Stskeeps|holiday: are you using the public obs too? May 18 16:15:02 * w00t_ has had various bugs with it May 18 16:15:11 tmpsantos: both May 18 16:15:23 chem|st: if you want to login to host X, you add the .ssh/id_rsa.pub contents to host X's authorized_keys with an editor May 18 16:15:23 connection dropped all the time for me May 18 16:15:40 I had to try 6 times before successfully commit something May 18 16:15:54 and the webpage is utter slow :( May 18 16:15:54 and the client host needs .ssh/id_rsa (priv key) May 18 16:15:55 tmpsantos: pub obs? May 18 16:16:04 lbt: yes :-/ May 18 16:16:10 and the permissions on them need to be exactly right or SSH won't let you in May 18 16:16:25 slow? that's probably due to them making the releases today May 18 16:17:14 tmpsantos: we had 50x reports earlier ... seemed a transient error. I'll loo May 18 16:17:16 k May 18 16:18:17 this is what happens when you get the permissions wrong: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11204 May 18 16:18:26 lbt: thanks May 18 16:19:08 since the bot is hung that's MeeGo Bug 11204 – "Deploy Public Key" in "Meego Device Configuration" generates authorized_key file with bad permissions, preventing passwordless login May 18 16:19:11 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11204 maj, High, 1.1.80.9, fboudra, NEW, "Deploy Public Key" in "Meego Device Configuration" generates authorized_key file with bad permissio May 18 16:19:22 i beat the bot! May 18 16:19:26 winning! May 18 16:37:21 hello people from nokia May 18 16:47:38 Hello, CosmoHill May 18 16:47:45 hey Alison_Chaiken May 18 16:48:01 you guys having network issues? May 18 16:48:23 I know not. I'm using Sonoma County's awesome sonic.net. May 18 16:48:46 a lot of people with nokia hostmasks are coming and going May 18 16:49:11 the people at uni in all the wisdom decided that one central server solution would be best May 18 16:49:22 currently most of the chelmsford campus is offline May 18 16:49:39 if we had one server per campus we'd be alright May 18 16:51:24 wow somewhere i've actually been (chelmsford). i had the only kippers i ever liked for breakfast there :-) May 18 16:52:32 npm: Chelmsford, England? May 18 16:53:34 i guess HP isn't the only company in town :-/ (other than the film industry as i recall) May 18 16:54:08 well i doubt they'd be serving kippers in a fancy hotel HP put me up at in chelmsford texas May 18 16:54:28 I was thinking about chelmsford Ma May 18 16:54:50 goodness, people ask you questions and give you ~20 mins to respond before running off :/ May 18 16:55:56 npm: wait, HP are in chelmsford? May 18 16:56:47 they were, a long time ago, or i was sent there for some reason May 18 16:57:10 was it in the business complex behind the station? May 18 16:57:52 i wouldn't remember. May 18 16:57:58 is that where you're from? May 18 16:58:04 yep May 18 16:58:11 I go to uni there May 18 17:03:32 i guess y'all's been into this stuff for a while: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelmsford#Marconi May 18 17:04:06 it's a nice looking building and my grandad worked there May 18 17:04:18 recently they gave the boardings a lick of paint May 18 17:05:14 maybe microsoft bought them too? :-) May 18 17:05:28 marci went years and years ago May 18 17:06:16 yay it's raining May 18 17:06:19 not seen rain this month :s May 18 17:12:56 Can anyone point me to documentation on rebuilding xorg under meego? I am trying to rebuild xorg to include xinerama support, so that I can use the nvidia driver. May 18 17:13:35 I have an Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit box set up to run the meego sdk May 18 17:16:44 lj May 18 17:18:08 iekku, ping May 18 17:21:33 browser based qemu: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20063563-264.html?tag=topTechContentWrap;editorPicks May 18 17:21:42 Chinmaya, pong May 18 17:21:58 not qemu. an interpreter. May 18 17:26:02 berndhs: compiling the kernel if you're interested :) May 18 17:27:10 iekku : moved to a private chat May 18 17:35:30 jonnyro, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_kernel_documentation_for_contributors#Tips_on_Compiling_and_Packaging_Kernels May 18 17:35:36 Thankyou :) May 18 17:36:02 I know it is relating to kernel stuff, but it should give enough hints about xorg I hope May 18 19:59:11 Anyone around? May 18 19:59:36 I'd like to know how I can boot Meego on my TV using multiboot. May 18 20:02:34 Umeaboy, ? model of the tv and what OS does it run currently? May 18 20:04:48 lcuk: LG 60PK550N & not sure, but LG's own. May 18 20:18:03 so i can't find any bug relating to http://pastebin.ca/2063402 on a quick search on the bug tracker, yet i find it difficult to believe it affects... only myself :) May 18 20:31:30 this ends up relating to -enable-kvm not being a valid option to the build of qemu-gl provided which, when edited out of the madde.conf.d/ file, seems to alleviate the issue. May 18 20:32:23 ver: report it on bugs.meego.com May 18 20:32:28 even if you're the only one May 18 20:32:35 lcuk: Why so quiet? May 18 20:32:39 you can always check the mailing list and forums for others May 18 20:33:05 CosmoHill, i assumed i'm simply doing it wrong. May 18 20:35:04 Umeaboy: lcuk was just asking you the obvious next question... the basic info that someone would need to help you. It doesn't mean that he knows the answer. He also may be AFK. May 18 20:35:16 oh good, registering for another account on a web app. May 18 20:35:26 * CosmoHill put an ice bun to one side to nom after finishing his update, that was an hour ago May 18 20:37:03 Umeaboy: I personally don't know anyone fiddling with LG TV's... so you might be in uncharted territory. May 18 20:41:32 gabrbedd, correct on all points! :P May 18 20:42:04 well, apart from afk, I was browsing over there ^ May 18 20:43:52 CosmoHill, it's for 1.1. should i still report? May 18 20:44:04 try 1.2 first if you can May 18 20:44:54 from git? May 18 20:44:58 lcuk: hahaha :-) May 18 20:45:44 i don't see a 1.2 release on the site for download, so ... May 18 20:49:34 or even a nightly. May 18 20:54:11 i don't even see a clean way to use git while i have all this stuff from the apt repo clogging up my system, so assuming i "switch" to using a git sdk/toolchain is there a wiki page detailing at least what i need to build from the repo for a working sdk? May 18 20:54:20 to use git code* May 18 21:14:14 is there some special trick to get meego 1.2 qml video element to work? i have simple test example that behaves w/ same prob as all meego-tablet apps on this netbook, outputting QDBusPlayerControl::QDBusPlayerControl() and if I do video.pause() it outputs "QDBusPlayerControl::paulse() " (sic) May 18 21:16:24 QDBusPlayerControl::position(): 0 is output after cueing forward whiich outputs message QDBusPlayerControl::setPosition(): 5000 May 18 21:17:03 npm, filed bugs ? May 18 21:18:26 given the potchkitude of my setup, it might be ill advised May 18 21:22:09 but for example maybe it's just sending out a dbus signal and expecting madeo-uplayer-0.1.5-1.1.noarch to be setup? May 18 21:22:21 npm, not sure May 18 21:22:28 but isn't there some kind of dbus monitor? May 18 21:22:30 by the way, what is the purpose of madeo-uplayer-0.1.5-1.1.noarch May 18 21:22:36 to allow you to try May 18 21:22:40 * lcuk not sure May 18 21:22:49 I was just glancing over instead of reading slashdot May 18 21:23:27 any new news that can be spoken of here :-) :-) May 18 21:27:07 well anyways, i now remember why i had the desktop nokia sdk installed on here w/ it's own vsn of qtmobility 1.1 May 18 21:29:47 X-Fade, is possible to build for armv7 on meego DE repository? (public OBS) May 18 21:30:23 renato, I thought that was fully valid, each project can be built for numerous arches May 18 21:31:31 Architectures: i586 x86_64 armv4l armv5el armv7el armv8el May 18 21:31:44 lcuk, but the current DE repository only have i586, armv8el targets May 18 21:32:26 hmm idk then May 18 21:35:11 * npm installs the real Qt Mobility 1.2 release instead of beta2: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/12/qt-mobility-1-2-0-released/ May 18 21:36:26 i mean beta0: qt-mobility-1.2.0~beta0+git2726-9.31.i586 May 18 21:52:41 renato: yes, it's possible... but I'm not sure who supports the base arch May 18 21:55:47 lbt, I have edited the repository but not happens May 18 21:56:17 renato: yes... you need a project that supports it in order to build against it May 19 00:44:19 is there anyway to enable touchscreen in meego netbook? May 19 02:19:55 does anyone have any idea on this? May 19 02:20:06 whenever I run mcompositor on my device May 19 02:20:12 my touchscreen dies May 19 02:39:57 hmm May 19 02:40:02 no one rly talks here.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 19 02:59:58 2011