**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 20 03:00:00 2011 May 20 03:28:18 @hel flying to sfo via ams May 20 03:28:45 flight departs in 7 mins (?) May 20 03:29:07 timeless_xchat: I look forward to meeting you! May 20 03:29:56 likewise May 20 03:30:21 * timeless_xchat looks forward to preparing a presentation for sunday May 20 03:31:56 timeless_xchat: I saw lcuk recommending your session to someone. :-) May 20 03:32:36 depending on how well it goes, i'll either have to thank him or ... May 20 03:33:02 i hope there's a projector or something May 20 03:33:22 :-) May 20 03:33:29 what time is your thing on sunday? May 20 03:33:33 if someone could email me the details of the room i'll have today (while i'm in transit), that'd be good May 20 03:33:45 dunno, is there a schedule handy? May 20 03:35:29 looks like 2p-5:30 May 20 03:35:37 wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#Schedule May 20 03:35:44 timeless_xchat: "Linux developer tools" ?? Looks like 9:00 - 12:30 May 20 03:36:23 wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#Linux_developer_tools May 20 03:36:25 oh, ok May 20 03:36:31 * timeless_xchat is using opera May 20 03:36:40 anyway, we just pushed off May 20 03:36:42 bye! May 20 04:07:13 HI All May 20 04:07:26 Anybody know ssh support in Meego May 20 04:07:48 sanjeev1: its there May 20 04:08:08 yup May 20 04:08:16 sanjeev this side May 20 04:09:20 When installing a new meego image (as in https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook) do I dd to /dev/sdf or /dev/sdf1 ? I'm assuming /dev/sdf but the page doesn't say. May 20 04:11:33 Anybody used ssh in meego May 20 04:11:49 akk: /dev/sdf (assuming 'f' is the right drive) May 20 04:11:57 sanjeev1: I use it every day. May 20 04:12:02 sanjeev1: yes i use it every day May 20 04:12:04 Thanks! (and yes, it's definitely f) May 20 04:12:16 sanjeev1: I've used ssh too, works fine. May 20 04:12:30 How to add support for ssh? May 20 04:12:45 zypper install openssh-server May 20 04:13:05 is any ssh client is required ? May 20 04:13:40 berndhs: zypper install openssh-server will do everythnig May 20 04:13:44 sanjeev1: I think the ssh client is installed by default. May 20 04:14:03 I didn't have to install anything, it just worked. May 20 04:14:10 hi akk :) May 20 04:14:29 If it is installed default then only openssh-server need to install May 20 04:14:33 sanjeev1: If you want to log into your meego device from another computer, then you'll have to have the `openssh-server` package installed. May 20 04:15:10 Does this https://github.com/abock/meego-ssh-tools serves the purpose May 20 04:15:39 hi jykae! May 20 04:16:48 sanjeev1: I have no idea what that is or what it's for. May 20 04:17:35 sanjeev1: you dont need any extra tools, just terminal May 20 04:17:47 Heh, the tablet image doesn't enable touchscreen for grub (or whatever the bootloader is) -- can't boot or install without a keyboard. :) May 20 04:18:31 Thanks gabrbedd & berndhs May 20 04:18:38 not sure there is a touchscreen enabled grub… there's probably a timeout on grub though, so it should boot the first target after N seconds May 20 04:18:52 Not seeing carsten today online May 20 04:18:57 akk: true. however several tablets are including up/down/enter buttons. May 20 04:19:28 sanjeev1: I think he's been on vacation. May 20 04:19:48 probably going to SF by boat May 20 04:19:52 gabrbedd: I have one of the ExoPCs. May 20 04:20:12 If I plug in a keyboard, I get past the grub screen, but then I just get a blank screen with a blinking cursor. May 20 04:20:40 akk: hmmm... that's strange. :-/ May 20 04:20:44 By boat then he will return Next Month hahaha May 20 04:21:28 Ah, it was confused by my plugging in the keyboard (or maybe plugging in the power supply). May 20 04:21:29 gabrbedd & berndhs you guys are also with carsten May 20 04:21:40 I powered off, then powered on with both of those already plugged in and now it's booting. May 20 04:22:11 The ExoPC's home button (or whatever you call that thing) moves the grub item down one, but doesn't "hit return" so you still can't boot without a kbd. May 20 04:22:16 i dont even know where in the world carsten resides :) May 20 04:23:26 anybody know how well netbook 1.2 would work on a smaller screen? 7" 800x480 May 20 04:25:18 1.1 couldn't handle it, and I don't want to download it if it won't be worth it. (slow connection) May 20 04:26:11 Okay, I have this booting from usb (yay!) -- should it be relatively safe to boot off meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.80.0.20110503.2.img and say "Install" on an ExoPC? May 20 04:28:19 akk: define "safe" :-) May 20 04:28:49 IanWizard-Mobile: I don't know that much has changed on the netbook ediiton. May 20 04:28:52 "has a reasonable chance of working assuming nothing pathological happens" :) May 20 04:29:07 if you dont value what's on the system before, its safe May 20 04:29:08 I'm not looking for ironclad guarantees, just don't want to do it if it's not ever meant to work. May 20 04:29:12 akk: yes May 20 04:29:17 it's strange you dont know Meego Guy Carsten May 20 04:29:23 cool, I'll try it. May 20 04:29:24 akk: oh wait... May 20 04:29:31 1.2.80 ?? May 20 04:29:37 sorry... May 20 04:29:45 I have no idea if that will even work yet. May 20 04:29:53 oh, hmm May 20 04:29:58 too late? May 20 04:30:01 :-/ May 20 04:30:01 is there a different version I should be installing? May 20 04:30:11 1.2.0 May 20 04:30:23 akk: 1.2.80.x is the development version for 1.3. AFAIK it's totally broken. May 20 04:30:29 oh, ok May 20 04:30:30 You wasnt a 1.2.0.x verions. May 20 04:30:40 How do I tell what I'm running now, btw? May 20 04:31:08 ask, name -a may say May 20 04:31:21 akk: cat /etc/meego-release May 20 04:31:30 akk: That's about as close as you can get. May 20 04:31:40 akk, uname -a. may say May 20 04:32:10 akk, go with what gabrbedd said May 20 04:33:54 there may also be "lsb_release -a", which will give additional details sometimes May 20 04:34:02 what was said? I'd just left when I got an alert about my nick May 20 04:34:10 can't easily start my meego tablet to test, but i know it's present on several linux distros May 20 04:34:26 IanWizard-Mobile: you didn't miss anything. May 20 04:34:31 1.1.90 May 20 04:34:49 .20110209 May 20 04:34:59 oh, ok. bye then :p May 20 04:37:54 gabrbedd, berndhs: on the 1.2.0 download page there's no tablet version. Which one should I use on an ExoPC? May 20 04:38:40 https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview May 20 04:39:49 thanks, ieatlint May 20 04:40:06 I have a hard time navigating the meego.com pages ... haven't learned my way around yet May 20 04:40:50 akk: you're not alone. May 20 04:42:25 search is most useful function to navigate there.. May 20 04:54:49 morning May 20 04:55:16 yeah i know, i shouild go to sleep May 20 04:55:44 berndhs, and i slept long, usually i'm @ office this time May 20 04:57:29 * iekku needs coffee to start packing May 20 04:58:17 iekku's hear... time for me to go. :-p May 20 04:58:31 s/hear/here/ May 20 04:58:31 gabrbedd meant: iekku's here... time for me to go. :-p May 20 04:59:33 good night all! May 20 04:59:40 good night May 20 05:00:00 hey, we need to get that kindof typocorrector to meego-fi also :D May 20 05:00:56 berndhs, good night May 20 05:06:08 * auke_otg tinkers with xfce in meego May 20 05:08:58 jykae, i think i could need personal one :P May 20 05:34:59 is meego1.2 officially released? May 20 05:35:19 its on meego.com May 20 05:36:24 time for 1.2.80 then :) May 20 05:56:13 i am planning to take the 1.2 from http://developer.meego.com/guides/getting-started/getting-started-meego-v1.2-sdk-linux May 20 05:56:31 do i need to remove all older stuff from my system May 20 05:57:06 i have MeeGo sdk 1.1.99 dev preview May 20 06:15:10 It seems that MeeGo SDK 1.2 doesn't support Ubuntu 11.04.. May 20 06:23:16 hey, how do i invoke the meego toolchain to custom compile a kernel? May 20 06:31:07 morning May 20 06:32:37 bkalinga: I suggest you to remove old stuff May 20 06:33:03 eg81:morning May 20 06:33:27 eg81: i can simply move everything from /usr/lib/madde/* right May 20 06:33:33 maxw: morning May 20 06:33:36 eg81:I have some follow-up to the troubles I was previously experiencing May 20 06:33:45 *remove May 20 06:33:54 bkalinga: you can mv madde madde.old :) May 20 06:34:19 then dpkg --remove meego-sdk I think May 20 06:34:45 maxw: what problems you have now ? May 20 06:34:53 eg81:other people here had cause to upgrade their graphics drivers to those provided with fedora15 and so I did the same, and everything now works pretty much as I expected. May 20 06:35:29 eg81:so I am blaming the graphics driver. May 20 06:35:31 dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove meego-sdk which isn't installed. May 20 06:36:23 eg81:previously, moving my browser window from right-to-left on the screen was fast, but it was terribly slow from left-to-right; for example...that wasn't much of a problem, but just a bad sign. May 20 06:36:47 do i need to manually remove all targets and runtime using mad-admin remove target *? May 20 06:36:54 eg81:also, remember the fonts in the emulator was rendered as white blocks? well, they're fine now too May 20 06:37:20 bkalinga: in general no if you will do mv madde madde.old then no need to do manyal removal May 20 06:37:29 maxw: :) great May 20 06:37:44 eg81: so, now no real problems any more....just wanted to thank you for your help and record in the chat logs that the issue was resolved, as a pointer for others May 20 06:37:54 that consumes a huge space ~10Gb May 20 06:38:04 then remove :) May 20 06:38:51 maybe that's important only for me when I scan trough bug reports and sometimes check different stuff, therefore I need old files from madde May 20 06:38:54 actually i am searching for a cleaner way of removal..so that no dust will be there during 1.2 installation May 20 06:39:26 as much as I know it's enough to remove meego- packages from your system May 20 06:39:58 and check whether there are no leaves in madde (especialy in cache/conf.d) May 20 06:40:15 i can list out targets and runtimes using mad-admin May 20 06:40:25 but what about remove meego- packages? May 20 06:40:49 dpkg --list | grep meego- May 20 06:41:00 or it depends on your system's packager May 20 06:41:06 rpm -qa | grep meego- May 20 06:42:06 after removing targets and runtimes if i remove the /usr/lib/madde/* then every thing must be cleaned -My assumption- May 20 06:42:16 bkalinga: right May 20 06:42:38 yes i can see dpkg --list | grep meego- output several meego -packages May 20 06:43:07 i ll follow all three to clean...thanks eg81 May 20 06:43:10 dpkg --list | grep meego- | xargs dpkg --remove (or --purge) May 20 06:43:40 then no need to use mad-admin remove ? May 20 06:44:02 pkcon search name meego- should work on most distros :) May 20 06:44:21 packagekit command-line interface May 20 06:45:27 bkalinga: no, if you will remove madde directory then you don't need to remove targets and runtimes May 20 06:45:47 because everything is in that /usr/lib/madde/ May 20 06:46:51 ok thanks a lot eg81...any modification for PATH variable required after removing ? May 20 06:53:06 no May 20 07:20:43 hy all. I noticed that armv7l is not part of the MeeGo 1.2.0 release. why is that? May 20 07:38:35 andreizro: now there is armv7hl from N900DE May 20 07:45:27 eg81: ok, but does this mean MeeGo will stop supporting ARMv7? May 20 07:46:33 andreizro: arm port moved to hard floating point (announced back in december iirc) so the arm images should be armv7hl. Dunno why there aren't handset images but if you're looking to try it with n900 the developer edition is the thing May 20 07:47:56 arm support hasn't gone anyway. There's no x86 handset images either in 1.2 release May 20 07:48:10 s/anyway/anywhere/ May 20 07:48:11 timoph meant: arm support hasn't gone anywhere. There's no x86 handset images either in 1.2 release May 20 07:49:45 HI I m facing issues while building rpm-python package from meego 1.1 release area it says rpm.spec not found complte log at http://pastie.org/1930504 May 20 07:50:33 safe guess would be that there was no point making a handset release after the mess back in february. Although some announcement about not making handset images a part of the release would've been nice (if this is the case) May 20 07:50:53 timoph: I am interesting on running MeeGo on a a Beaglboard and I don't think armv7hl works in beagle May 20 07:52:18 AFAIK it should work. dunno if it needs some drivers recompiled or something May 20 07:53:30 you might want to ask in #meego-arm if someone knows better May 20 07:54:26 although the many of the arm guys might be travelling towards SF currently May 20 07:54:49 -the :/ May 20 07:55:03 * timoph continues packing May 20 07:55:19 hey if i just wanted to throw a quick launcher together thats a script where would i find the directory structure that meego puts its icons in ? May 20 08:01:25 gan /usr/share/icons May 20 08:01:27 wassupnari, hi May 20 08:06:32 alterego: thanks May 20 08:07:28 actually i guess what i meant to ask is where are those desktop entries, are they in a registry of sorts May 20 08:09:09 /usr/share/applications May 20 08:10:08 vgrade : hi, May 20 08:11:26 vgrade : I'm currently working on sensor device, and i briefly checked the structure of sensorfw. May 20 08:12:55 vgrade : i think sensorfw uses sysfs to open the device file by 'adaptor', is it right? May 20 08:15:55 thanks, so i can place my entries there by myself and the meego ui will show the icons May 20 08:19:10 wassupnari, Sorry I'm not familiar with sensorfw, do you have a specific issue with your device? May 20 08:20:54 vgrade : i'm trying to enable accelerometer and gyro sensor, but it seems like sensorfw cannot open the device file May 20 08:21:25 vgrade : i already check the same kernel driver codes under android, it works well.. May 20 08:21:51 vgrade : i just want to know the exact interface with device driver and sensorfw :) May 20 08:33:34 * thiago decides not to use the MeeGo Conf template May 20 08:34:12 thiago: you rebel May 20 08:34:24 I don't like the 16:9 thing May 20 08:34:27 wastes space May 20 08:34:32 and the font is waaaay too big May 20 08:34:55 thiago: when do you arrive in SF? May 20 08:34:57 * alterego has a shower and continues packing May 20 08:35:05 tomorrow evening May 20 08:35:21 :-) May 20 08:35:25 drinks in hyatt bar tomorrow eve btw :) May 20 08:35:29 ~11:30am for me May 20 08:36:37 * thiago ponders that Nokia Large 32pt seems smaller than Nokia Sans Wide 28pt May 20 08:36:41 I'll be getting to LHR about 11ish, flight is at 1.30 May 20 08:36:57 arrive in sf 15:30 May 20 08:39:42 there are better bars than the hotel bar ;) May 20 08:40:37 ieatlint: no doubt it's just easier for us to all meet there as people fly in May 20 08:40:54 * alterego is very excited :) May 20 08:40:58 Anyhow, need a shower May 20 08:41:02 fair enough :P May 20 08:44:54 HI I m facing issues while building rpm-python package from meego 1.1 release area it says rpm.spec not found complte log at http://pastie.org/1930504 May 20 09:03:28 wassupnari, I guess you've seen, http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/sensorfw/blobs/master/doc/PLUGIN-GUIDE. This also includes emails of the sensorfw devs who should be able to answer your query May 20 09:04:11 wassupnari, also bug 6877 May 20 09:04:15 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6877 enh, Undecided, 1.1.80.5, markus.lehtonen, RESO READYFORINTEGRATION, [FEA] Sensor framework should define a guide for driver interface implementation May 20 09:22:23 so i created some .desktop files in side my home directory but they don't seem to show up May 20 09:59:05 vgrade : thank you!! :) May 20 10:03:29 http://wiki.meego.com/PXE_boot_server - this article says about some tarball containing vmlinuz and initrd. where is it? May 20 10:06:03 sampos: this was one of yours, I think ^ May 20 10:08:01 jsv: yes, lemme check May 20 10:10:04 naquad,jsv: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/Autotest-guide#Netbook May 20 10:10:19 sampos, thank you May 20 10:10:39 sampos, a lazy q: will it work with 1.2? May 20 10:11:12 naquad: it's more like will it work on your netbook. May 20 10:11:24 kk thanks May 20 10:11:34 meego release does not matter there i guess. but it was tested only witch samsung nc10 May 20 10:32:41 how do i start an app in the gui as soon as the gui loads May 20 10:55:26 hi I m trying Meego IVI 1.1 on my Intel Machine the mouse fails to launch any icon on the home screen May 20 11:14:01 can i try meego 1.2 on Ubuntu 11.04 May 20 11:14:37 is it worth trying or not supported May 20 11:23:10 bkalinga: you can try meego. May 20 11:23:17 that has no bearing on the distribution you're using May 20 11:23:26 it's like asking if you can try ubuntu on opensuse or fedora May 20 11:24:36 right ..that should be the case... Morning i was reading at a place saying supported on Ubuntu(10.04,10.10) May 20 11:25:16 so just wondered is something known about 11.04..so thought of asking here without spending any time May 20 11:27:26 the SDK is supported on distributions May 20 11:27:30 meego itself is a distribution May 20 11:31:20 how do i download packages from build.meego.com? May 20 11:32:08 from repo.meego.com May 20 11:32:23 thiago, i know that, but for example: http://build.meego.com/package/files?package=kernel&project=MeeGo%3A1.2.0%3Aoss May 20 11:32:35 thiago, i can't download software package itself May 20 11:32:41 thiago, there's just no download link May 20 11:40:38 naquad: select repo you want from list on overview page, there's a download repo link inside May 20 11:41:09 jsv, i want to download sources May 20 11:41:16 not package May 20 11:43:40 looks like you can at least get the .src.rpm from the repo page May 20 11:44:33 jsv, i don't know how to modify srpms and build them :( imho it absolutely stupid to don't provide software distro download link =\ May 20 11:46:41 * naquad went reading about srpms May 20 11:53:15 hi i want to develope a ime driver for which i installed sudo zypper install meegotouch-inputmethodengine-devel May 20 11:54:05 but i don't see the the dependent .h file in my Host system from where i am running meego-sdk-qtcreator May 20 11:55:33 i searched mimenginetypes.h in my /usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/sysroots/meego-handset-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.1.99.4.20110426.4-fs/ May 20 11:56:04 its not there but when i search the same file in meego@[meego-handset-sdk]::/$ sudo find -name mimenginetypes.h May 20 11:56:19 it is there at ./usr/include/meego/meegoimengine/mimenginetypes.h May 20 11:56:42 now how can i refer this file to the INCLUDE PATH in .pro file May 20 12:02:39 bkalinga, araujo or mikas might be able to specifically help, which sdk are you using? May 20 12:03:15 ok .. i am using 1.1.99.4 May 20 12:04:16 bkalinga, http://wiki.meego.com/Maliit/Installing might perhaps help May 20 12:04:43 the complete maliit documentation is http://wiki.meego.com/Maliit May 20 12:08:23 bkalinga, what kind of input method are you wanting to create? May 20 12:08:58 i dont want to create a input method just to add a errorcorrection plug in May 20 12:09:28 cool May 20 12:10:00 the team hang out in #meego-inputmethods (not sure who is around just now) and are a friendly bunch May 20 12:10:07 my plugin must be compile against meegoimengine if i am correct May 20 12:10:25 for that the installed the dev package May 20 12:10:25 yes I believe so May 20 12:10:55 but i dont see headers and the lib reflecting in my host file system May 20 12:11:16 my set up is a madde+qemu runtime May 20 12:11:35 i installed the package from qemu prompt May 20 12:12:09 so includes and library must be accessed by meego-sdk-qtcreator right? May 20 12:15:42 bkalinga, not sure. did you install the sdk components individually, or using the graphical allinone installer? May 20 12:15:58 ie: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.2/Installing_and_configuring_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Install_the_MeeGo_SDK May 20 12:16:23 lcuk: i am still using 1.1.99.4 :) May 20 12:16:38 have not updated May 20 12:17:51 also one thing i notice if i create a file inside qemu prompt i.e meego SDK file system May 20 12:18:11 i am not able to see that in my host system (Ubuntu) May 20 12:24:43 bkalinga: hmm but how you want to see this file if it's creaton on some virtual image May 20 12:25:42 i'm getting this error during rpmbuild -bb kernel.spec: FATAL: arch/x86/platform/built-in.o has no symtab? - any ideas what's wrong with it? May 20 12:26:24 if it not possible; then how can I use a dev package which is not part of a runtime initially May 20 12:27:44 i dont understand even though it is a virtual image.. some files are downloaded using zypper install May 20 12:28:52 where they went ..they must be in my Host Ubuntu's File system..as once i install a package ..they are persistent even though i reboot my system May 20 12:29:46 bkalinga, virtual images are writable May 20 12:30:09 you add new things to them and they act like real disk to the OS within them May 20 12:32:39 if they are writable why cant i see the contents from my ubuntu host May 20 12:33:12 if it supposed to work that way i don't have any issues May 20 12:33:53 but there must be a way for developer to link and work from qtcreator May 20 12:34:18 bkalinga, which folder path in ubunutu are you expecting to see the contents of files added within the sdk/qemu? May 20 12:34:22 its not he host's qtcreator but customized meego-sdk-qtcreator May 20 12:34:44 kalinga@kalinga-desktop:/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/sysroots/meego-handset-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.1.99.4.20110426.4-fs/usr/include$ May 20 12:35:19 expect same content as "meego@[meego-handset-sdk]::/usr/include$ " May 20 12:45:52 bkalinga: you are wrong May 20 12:46:07 this sysroot it's just for building apps on your computer May 20 12:46:28 there is possibility to mount virtual image and see those files from host May 20 12:47:13 you mean they don't share any content? May 20 12:47:17 no May 20 12:47:38 virtual image or runtime is just a file on your ubuntu (host) system May 20 12:48:29 single raw file May 20 12:48:50 then let say some dependency is there for your app ...how do you get the package and resolve? May 20 12:50:32 dependency == library ? then you should install it on host system to the sysroot and on runtime (qemu) May 20 12:51:18 currently there is no official way to do that May 20 12:52:38 if there is an rpm package for that library then you can use mad-admin xrpm (to extract content of rpm package to specified sysroot directory on your host system) May 20 12:54:38 ok then i can do scp of the rpm that i get using zypper from qemu/sdk to my host and then use mad-admin xrpm? May 20 12:54:48 eg81: please correct me May 20 12:55:20 that's correct May 20 12:56:49 thanks a lot ...my concept changed today...i was holding this concept for a long time (seeing the content of qemu/sdk in host system) May 20 12:56:50 :) May 20 13:04:30 :) May 20 13:05:15 kalinga@kalinga-desktop:/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/sysroots/meego-handset-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.1.99.4.20110426.4-fs$ sudo mad-admin xrpm meegotouch-inputmethodengine-devel-0.4.5-1.21.i586.rpm May 20 13:05:20 MADDE target not found/set. May 20 13:08:12 bkalinga: so it says that you need to set target :) May 20 13:08:20 sudo mad-admin set meego-handset-ia32-trunk-1.1.99.4.20110426.4 May 20 13:08:31 mad-admin -t target_name xrpm file.rpm May 20 13:10:48 mad-admin -t meego-handset-ia32-trunk-1.1.99.4.20110426.4 xrpm meegotouch-inputmethodengine-devel-0.4.5-1.21.i586.rpm May 20 13:10:48 does not output anything May 20 13:11:12 even the required file is not installed May 20 13:13:07 sudo mad-admin -t meego-handset-ia32-trunk-1.1.99.4.20110426.4 xrpm -i meegotouch-inputmethodengine-devel-0.4.5-1.21.i586.rpm May 20 13:13:14 '-> ./usr/lib/libmeegoimengin': cpio file info format not supported May 20 13:18:08 now what is the problem May 20 13:20:18 :) madde do not want to play with your package May 20 13:20:57 u mean it wont let me install this .rpm May 20 13:21:25 yeah, but I know another "secret" way how to extract this rpm :D May 20 13:21:31 rpm2cpio LIBRARY.rpm | cpio -idmv May 20 13:21:50 but its for i586 so why it is compaining May 20 13:21:54 but if I remmember corectly frist you need to chdir to that dir May 20 13:22:16 which dir the destination one? May 20 13:22:21 it can be some madde bug/feature, I don't know May 20 13:22:50 yeah, to target (sysroot) May 20 13:23:54 cpio: ./etc/ld.so.conf.d/meegotouch-inputmethodengine.conf: Cannot open: Permission denied May 20 13:24:02 even though i ran using sudo May 20 13:24:23 :) May 20 13:24:55 http://pastebin.com/F9gQJDq0 May 20 13:25:22 cmmon May 20 13:25:30 you need to write sudo twice May 20 13:25:40 or once but before cpio May 20 13:25:46 not before rpm2cpio May 20 13:26:04 rpm2cpio LIBRARY.rpm | sudo cpio -idmv May 20 13:26:16 as cpio requires rights to write May 20 13:26:24 first just create stream May 20 13:26:31 ohh :) May 20 13:26:51 it's a friday time to relax :) May 20 13:26:56 done now...thanks a lot May 20 13:27:16 u made my day and leaving for the day now.. May 20 13:27:33 wish u a great weekend .. May 20 13:33:28 lots of nice looking items on the n900-de status page May 20 13:33:29 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Status May 20 13:34:00 still some random items pending May 20 14:37:09 where do i get PyQt4 for meego? May 20 14:38:27 luist: I believe it's called "pyside" and I think there's a pyside project in OBS that you could use. May 20 14:51:35 Jaffa: ping May 20 15:08:23 holy hell! May 20 15:08:24 http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/05/19/2338209/Confirmed-Microsoft-Says-It-Will-Open-Source-VB-6 May 20 15:08:28 :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D May 20 15:09:08 oh bah May 20 15:10:05 lcuk, OMFG May 20 15:10:05 * lcuk sulks again - that would have been awesome May 20 15:10:15 you have RATTED yourself out :p May 20 15:10:21 A MS and VB6 lover May 20 15:10:59 :D May 20 15:11:19 Termana, I have always been pleased with vb6 May 20 15:11:31 liqbase is categorised in github as visual basic :P May 20 15:19:51 * fiferboy is dissapointed there is still no qt MySQL in MeeGo 1.2 May 20 15:22:26 fiferboy, did you use mysql previously, or is something like sqlite still better? May 20 15:23:01 the way I understood it, sqlite was similar to ms access - where single user local file accessed db was reasonable performance wise? May 20 15:23:16 I use sqlite for local database storage and it is fine May 20 15:23:35 Easy to use and create new databases and so forth May 20 15:23:44 Bu I use mysql for remote database support May 20 15:25:49 fiferboy: so you just want the client qt-mysql ? May 20 15:26:07 berndhs: Yes May 20 15:26:29 Which I take it needs the mysql-client library package May 20 15:26:36 Which is for some reason also not available May 20 15:27:38 lcuk: This is correct... except I've never found MS Access's performance to be reasonable. SQLite is frigging fast (especially with the right indices set up) May 20 15:30:06 yeah gabrbedd May 20 15:33:15 lcuk: I've got some db's where I do the heavy lifting in sqlite and then export the data to access for consumption by the MS-loving masses. May 20 15:33:41 Looks like I'll have to recompile Qt with mysql enabled, and find the mysql client library somewhere May 20 15:33:44 gabrbedd, so how do you import/export the data? May 20 15:34:32 hey guys.. i had a python app that had everything translated… but i updated some stuff and now my text has the special characters all messed.. like ç ã à etc… could it be any package in the system? May 20 15:35:38 luist, if it worked before you updated a package and doesn't work now, I am guessing the answer could be yes May 20 15:35:48 have you tried (win answer) rebooting? May 20 15:36:52 lcuk: python + pywin32 (for COM interface) + pysqlite2 May 20 15:37:53 gabrbedd, is that easy to have end users installing and stuff? May 20 15:38:07 or is this something you do and just offer out the data May 20 15:39:40 todays n900-de image includes kasvopus May 20 15:39:45 but it just opens screen May 20 15:39:49 lcuk: yes :T May 20 15:39:57 and does not allow any actions, not even close May 20 15:40:05 lcuk: End users just get the .mdb. The script that daily fetches and indexes data uses all that pythong stuff. May 20 15:40:08 so now the n900-de is simply kasvopus May 20 15:40:25 lcuk: If the end users /wanted/ sqlite -- I would gladly share it with them, though. May 20 15:41:00 do the end users know anything about it ? May 20 15:41:09 lcuk: Most of them don't understand SQL... so if it's not gooey, it's over their heads. May 20 15:41:13 berndhs: ^^ May 20 15:42:16 gabrbedd, yeah May 20 15:44:05 does anyone know the bug number for 3rd party bugs? May 20 15:44:32 ahhh bug 12589 May 20 15:44:35 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12589 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Allow addition of 3rd party products into bugs.meego.com May 20 15:46:05 not a fan of having to manage infrastructure for 3rd party products within the meego infrastructure May 20 15:46:15 * Stskeeps|holiday neither May 20 15:46:34 3rd party products should have their own bug tracker - plenty of free options available for poeple May 20 15:47:07 we don't have enough it people to manage the infrastructure we already have - this would be a huge burden on the project that companies could take advantage of May 20 15:47:17 May 20 15:47:46 ok, now back to preparing my MeeGo Conf State of the Community presentation ;) May 20 15:50:34 Hmmm, here come the Blackhawk's May 20 15:50:37 I can hear them May 20 15:50:56 There's probably a Chinook there too May 20 15:53:46 DawnFoster, I know the complexities, other people will not though. there are bugs which should be filed somewhere, but I don't think in some of these cases they are upstream related May 20 15:54:33 If it's a pure meego bug (not upstream) then we have places to file those May 20 15:55:39 if it's a bug related to some 3rd party product (of which there will be thousands if meego succeeds), we just can't handle those May 20 15:56:54 the potential for abuse outweighs the potential benefit for a few confused people who don't know where to file things May 20 15:57:14 sure thing DawnFoster May 20 16:06:55 MeeGo 1.2 booting on N900 May 20 16:08:33 DE? May 20 16:08:34 hey when i open a text file in 2 other systems it displays the text right, but when im opening in my meego (a customized version) my special characters (like ç ã à é) get all messed up…. could i be missing some package? May 20 16:09:31 Stskeeps|holiday: 1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1 May 20 16:09:34 Doesn't say DE May 20 16:09:50 ah May 20 16:10:07 wiki.meego.com/N900 images are far more interesting May 20 16:10:11 Stskeeps|holiday: Is the newest DE what you would recommend? May 20 16:10:21 I will try one of those then :) May 20 16:10:26 05.20-1 sanity May 20 16:10:36 we kinda just ship 'working hw adaptation' in 1.2 May 20 16:12:02 Downloading 05.20-1 santity now May 20 16:12:21 k May 20 16:23:01 hi. i was wondering if meego would run on a lenovo laptop with celeron cpu May 20 16:24:01 MeeGoBot: supported processors? May 20 16:24:02 papul: celeron? probably not May 20 16:24:03 gabrbedd: iirc, Supported Processors are http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors May 20 16:24:08 papul: ^^ May 20 16:26:00 papul: Also, if `cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep ssse3` give you nothing, then it's a definite no. May 20 16:33:19 MeeGo 1.2 DE booting on N900 May 20 16:33:41 better ;) May 20 16:33:45 i cant wait to try that out :-] May 20 16:33:51 first boots are always slow May 20 16:33:57 wait for it to setle May 20 16:34:02 I like the splash screen May 20 16:34:40 Once I copy the mmcblk0p to the card, is there a better way to dual boot than flashing the kernel back and forth? May 20 16:35:04 uboot May 20 16:36:30 I have uboot installed, but I though copying the image to the card would let me run mmcboot May 20 16:36:37 It doesn't seem to work for me May 20 16:37:27 dd the image to sd card, let uboot time out May 20 16:38:02 mmcboot doesnt do what you think it does, so :P May 20 16:38:30 * alterego makes a sandwich May 20 16:38:48 So if I let uboot timeout, what does it boot into? MeeGo or stock? May 20 16:38:51 Then, I'm going to go to the pub for a bit and think about whether I've forgotten anything. May 20 16:39:54 alterego: it will come to you in the airplane, just as you taxi to the runway May 20 16:40:14 :) May 20 16:40:33 I'm travelling really light anyway. May 20 16:40:42 I could fit everything I'm taking in hand luggage most probably. May 20 16:41:00 fiferboy: if sd card is bootable, it boots that. else maemo May 20 16:41:00 But, I plan to bring a bit more back than I head out with. May 20 16:41:03 So we'll see. May 20 16:41:26 Stskeeps|holiday: Sweet, that is better than flashing kernels May 20 16:41:36 Nice default background image :) May 20 16:41:38 consider shipping the new stuff back, could be less trouble May 20 16:43:09 I'm considering wearing the new stuff ... May 20 16:43:31 I don't even know if I'm going to be picking anything up anyway, funds are somewhat limited. May 20 16:43:36 Probably a couple of small presents. May 20 16:43:43 Maybe a new pair of shoes .. May 20 16:44:24 there isnt really anything you can buy in SF that you can't buy in europe May 20 16:44:29 I only buy footwear when I'm travelling. May 20 16:44:48 Sure, it's not so much the availability or cost, more ritual :P May 20 16:45:26 the one thing is the place itself, and you can't transport that May 20 16:46:11 Yes, I will be taking loads of pictures May 20 16:46:21 I will look like such a tourist :) May 20 16:46:34 I might even get a I <3 SF tshirt and hat. May 20 16:46:38 And just don that all week. May 20 16:46:39 so jealous May 20 16:46:43 SF is cheaper May 20 16:46:45 never been to the states May 20 16:46:52 Especially when buyingelectronics May 20 16:46:56 slaine: my first time :) May 20 16:47:11 Yeah, everywhere is cheaper than here (UK) for pretty much everything May 20 16:47:25 alterego: except ireland, we're dearer again May 20 16:47:35 Yeah, Ireland is pretty expensive. May 20 16:47:43 More expensive than UK? May 20 16:47:44 I went there a couple of years ago for my last job May 20 16:47:58 * RST38h makes a mental note: Stay away from Ireland. May 20 16:48:05 (Dublin) I spent more per Guinness there than I do at my local, and my local is ridiculously expensive May 20 16:48:20 RST38h: yeah, we get our stuff from the UK and add markup May 20 16:48:20 that's what you get for living on an island, easier to control shipping May 20 16:48:31 Heh May 20 16:49:00 * slaine notes it wasn't an island when we all moved here. May 20 16:49:10 I got my chinese knock off N900 (English) keypad today. May 20 16:49:17 It's quite awful .. May 20 16:49:38 what does it run? May 20 16:49:43 but its probably for your own protection in some way or other May 20 16:49:52 thiago: it's just the keypad May 20 16:50:12 I got an N900 with a finnish keypad, so I'm looking to swap it. May 20 16:50:29 (the keypad) May 20 16:51:12 thiago: do you plan to come by the staff meeting sat btw? May 20 16:51:45 Stskeeps|holiday: will be on the plane, so no May 20 16:51:50 alright May 20 16:52:02 and i guess dirk is in flight there too May 20 16:52:08 What time saturday? May 20 16:52:18 I think he arrives Sunday evening May 20 16:52:27 alterego: just conference one, nothing interesting May 20 16:52:40 Ah, m'kay May 20 16:52:50 I'll probably wander around for a few hours, then head to the bar about 7ish May 20 16:53:15 ok May 20 16:53:39 thiago: i'll take one for the team and go to the meeting representing PC then May 20 16:53:42 * thiago lands 7:10 pm May 20 16:53:45 Stskeeps|holiday: thanks May 20 16:53:46 I can't believe people are talking about overclocking an OMAP3650 to over 1Ghz .. May 20 16:53:53 Stskeeps|holiday: we have two submissions to rate May 20 16:53:53 That's already pushing it imo May 20 16:54:14 Stskeeps|holiday: the BoF one let's do between the two of us. The talk one, let's see if dirk answers email tonight? May 20 16:54:22 thiago: ok May 20 16:56:22 where are 3G connection parameters stored? I'm having bit of a problem connecting and would like to check them. Unfortunately the Networks tab doesn't provide any way to check your settings... May 20 16:56:48 Wow, N900 DE has really improved May 20 16:56:53 Very nice job May 20 16:58:04 Stskeeps|holiday: want me to do the honours of sending the email? May 20 16:58:16 Stskeeps|holiday: or do you have a technique? I do a lot of copy/pasting. May 20 16:58:37 thiago: i am on n900 only so its difficult May 20 16:58:44 ah, ok May 20 16:58:50 will do it then May 20 16:58:53 thiago: 'unformatted' tab on session moderation May 20 17:01:45 copy/pasting done May 20 17:02:10 sent May 20 17:02:15 ta May 20 17:02:22 do you want to go first? May 20 17:02:40 will do May 20 17:52:27 hi all May 20 17:52:33 greetings from San Francisco May 20 17:52:34 ! May 20 17:52:52 is there a channel for the conference? May 20 17:52:56 as in #meego-con May 20 18:03:26 dont look behind of you! poppy seed eye is watching you now! May 20 18:05:20 auke: does xfwm4 have a "fullscreen everything option" ? May 20 18:05:59 auke: Also a "no title bars or window frames" option? May 20 18:23:02 gabrbedd: no such option, xfwm4 is more of a classical wm - it's not meant for embedded etc. May 20 18:25:48 auke: Thanks. May 20 18:26:07 gabrbedd: the idea is not to pick something specific May 20 18:26:23 but something that 'works' and 'is usable for general development' May 20 18:26:42 in other words, something with a file manager, and some generally accepted base desktop ui features present May 20 18:26:47 a menu May 20 18:26:52 start buttons May 20 18:26:54 auke: It's not that... it's the "replace mcompositor so I can ship" thing. May 20 18:27:16 auke: matchbox is working ok... but I wondered if I gave up to easy on xfwm4 May 20 18:27:28 auke, furry dice? May 20 18:27:37 the TV guys are using matchbox I think May 20 18:27:55 lcuk: there's plenty of that in xfce lol May 20 18:28:02 cool May 20 18:28:15 xfce.org -> projects, or even goodies.xfce.org May 20 18:28:46 I'm trying to make the xfce pattern pretty well-rounded with base apps, some minor theming that will work on small screens etc. May 20 18:29:57 I made a default panel for instance, just one, that autohides May 20 18:30:11 applied theming to make menu's look ok, icons present etc. May 20 18:46:13 Does anybody successfully installed the SDK using the GUI installer? May 20 18:46:33 i keep getting installer errors and retry does not work May 20 18:46:48 the SDK 1.2 i mean May 20 18:48:05 fredy: i installed it on fedora 14, worked fine. tried on F15, no dice May 20 18:48:18 hhhmm May 20 18:48:35 good, but what about ubuntu or kubuntu? May 20 18:48:47 anybody tried on these distros? May 20 18:48:51 i dont know May 20 18:54:28 I've found these therad on the forum: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3376 May 20 18:54:37 Has anyone had the same error? May 20 19:17:45 alterego: pong May 20 19:38:58 Stskeeps|holiday: sent my votes May 20 19:39:04 Stskeeps|holiday: check the time suggestion please May 20 19:40:22 * thiago needs to start packing now May 20 19:40:28 14 hours to the first flight May 20 20:46:42 Greetings, I am wondering if MeeGo is open source? And is it open as in Maemo (not really) or Debian? May 20 20:48:08 newbie007: Yes it is. More like Ubuntu, as far as openness goes. May 20 20:49:12 I was stoked about Honeycomb until I found about the location aware garbage. Not that I'm that concerned, I just find it very creepy May 20 20:49:38 * newbie007 would be interested in getting it to run on a nook color May 20 20:50:36 this isn't going to support ARM is it..... shoot May 20 20:52:27 newbie007: google, wikipedia and www.meego.com May 20 20:53:12 MeeGoBot: supported processors? May 20 20:53:14 gabrbedd: Well, Supported Processors are http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors May 20 20:53:18 newbie007: ^^ May 20 20:53:58 pretty funny that it does, awesome May 20 21:26:02 * timeless_w7ip settles in for weekend May 20 21:30:56 hi May 20 21:31:20 can u tell me if it is possible to install 1.2 to lenovo x200? May 20 21:31:36 MeeGoBot: supported processors? May 20 21:31:38 CosmoHill: Supported Processors are http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors May 20 21:31:55 yy May 20 21:32:30 o/ May 20 21:32:41 and does it automatically recognize my dualboot grub system? May 20 21:33:09 Gabor: No. May 20 21:33:19 oh May 20 21:33:32 Gabor: I think it sort of detects the other OS... but installs extlinux in the MBR. May 20 21:34:00 okey May 20 21:34:15 so that means that it'll use its own bootloader? May 20 21:34:26 extlinux is able to load (either directly or chainload) your other OS. May 20 21:34:38 that will recognize both my ubu, and win7 also? May 20 21:34:52 Or you can go back and re-install grub to the MBR and set it up to load MeeGo. May 20 21:35:11 check the wiki... I'm sure somebody's written something about it... somewhere. May 20 21:35:20 okey May 20 21:35:22 thank u May 20 21:49:07 Is there a description of what hardware each of the images is for somewhere? I'm trying to find the best image for a i5 ULV tablet ( asus ep121{) May 20 21:51:51 jords: probably a pineview image will work. May 20 21:52:01 errr... pinetrail. May 20 21:52:13 :) May 20 21:53:10 Yeah technically any x86 should run i guess and with this much cpu power compared to an atom should be smooth... do you know what the mflt and mrst images are for? May 20 21:53:15 jords: fwiw pineview and pinetrail are sort of the same thing. just that pineview is specifically talking about either the graphiics on the atom chip, or possibly the atom chip itself. (I don't remember) May 20 21:53:28 gabrbedd: pinefresh May 20 21:53:38 mrst == moorestown. I doubt that'll work. May 20 21:54:08 i dunno about mflt. May 20 21:54:10 Ah yeah just wondered. I'll try the pinetrail then - hope the graphics works May 20 21:54:14 CosmoHill: Pinesol May 20 21:54:35 this just has the built in pre-sandy bridge processor graphics May 20 21:55:13 so don't know what the linux driver situation for that is May 20 21:56:52 i-series have integrated graphics+cpu, like the atoms. AFAIK the atoms and i-series have a very similar architecture. May 20 21:57:17 ...but I'm talking out of turn when it comes to architecture. :-) May 20 21:57:46 ok... well worth a try then :) May 20 22:23:52 hi May 20 22:25:00 w00t_: did you solve your problems with "Warning: QEglContext::swapBuffers(): Bad surface (0x300D)" you had some time ago? May 20 22:53:57 gdgt opines on M*s**t possibly buying N***a: http://gdgt.com/discuss/why-would-microsoft-buy-nokia-dg3 May 20 22:57:19 what/who is gdgt? May 20 22:58:45 like a more tight engadget? May 20 23:00:10 I don't think it makes sense for MS to buy Nokia May 20 23:00:23 buy a stake so they get a seat at the board of directors, on the other hand... May 20 23:01:04 * Stskeeps|holiday goes out for dinner May 20 23:02:59 hm don't know what i did in the last seconds but the gui stopped rendering black boxes and the gui elements appeared on a gma500 device May 20 23:11:32 anyone else around working with a gma500 and trying meego? May 20 23:11:39 * Stskeeps|holiday goes out for dinner May 20 23:21:50 gdgt is a newer blog started by the guys who founded Engadget and then sold it to AOL. May 21 00:42:04 re all May 21 01:18:01 Anyone home? May 21 01:19:15 mm? May 21 01:19:24 well, not exactly -home-.. May 21 01:20:08 i'm at my home office.. May 21 01:21:07 home is where the heart is... Or so I've heard. May 21 01:21:20 well, it's where i keep my junk at least. May 21 01:21:35 i moved too many times, I have no home May 21 01:21:54 * nasa knows how that is May 21 01:22:07 how about: home is where your phone charger is. May 21 01:22:20 my car? May 21 01:23:03 So, have people been trying out 1.2? May 21 01:23:43 yes a little May 21 01:24:03 it doesnt like my installed apps May 21 01:24:26 something wrong in the .desktop files maybe, don't know yet May 21 01:24:41 connman is still ignoring ipv6 May 21 01:24:53 i couldn't get it to boot on anything i own May 21 01:24:59 I've been trying out ivi May 21 01:25:17 nasa, how is it? May 21 01:25:32 I like the interface, much better than before May 21 01:25:33 also, on what? May 21 01:26:12 I actually got it running on mini-itx box (my actual car pc) May 21 01:26:25 very cool May 21 01:26:34 did you use a build or did you compile it yourself? May 21 01:26:46 it doens't actually fit the *supported* platforms, but a little work and it on May 21 01:27:24 But, it does have some real quirky things with it... May 21 01:28:04 suspending? :) May 21 01:28:05 Like it suspends the monitor after a few moments of inactivity -- which makes sense for a phone, not so much for a car May 21 01:28:16 hehe yeah May 21 01:28:34 And I can't find any settings to stop that. May 21 01:28:39 saw some quirky suspend behaviour on netbook too May 21 01:28:49 especially if you're driving at night and blindly whacking your fingers against the dash to change the track "No Gaga, noooo!" May 21 01:29:02 There's a way to make it suspend? May 21 01:29:02 lol May 21 01:29:10 berndhs, i couldn't get it to resume after suspend. May 21 01:29:17 it resumed, suspended, resumed, suspended. May 21 01:29:21 I saw it starting to dim the screen, then hit a bung of keys, but was too late May 21 01:29:33 s/bung/bunch/ May 21 01:29:33 berndhs meant: I saw it starting to dim the screen, then hit a bunch of keys, but was too late May 21 01:29:45 I believe there are bug reports for these suspend issues May 21 01:30:00 I've seen that is other screensavers, its like its teasing you May 21 01:30:12 Is there a way to suspend from the tablet UX? Or do you need a terminal and a keyboard attached? May 21 01:30:23 gives you 15 secs of misery wathcing it go away May 21 01:30:24 17393 for example May 21 01:30:32 suspending is an implementation nightmare on linux-based stuff. May 21 01:31:18 only a handful of desktop distros have working suspend/hibernate and of those it wouldn't surprise me if they rely on uswsusp-style software hibernation rather than ACPI S*. May 21 01:31:29 if most of them rely* May 21 01:31:39 And know you are not alone: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=358&highlight=power&page=1 May 21 01:32:14 most of the desktop distros do ACPI S, at least on common intel hardware May 21 01:33:15 * nasa notes the suspend issue is the 2nd biggest pain with trying the 1.2 IVI May 21 01:33:40 berndhs: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14930 May 21 01:33:43 Bug 14930 nor, High, 1.2, chengwei.yang, NEW, valid desktop (.desktop) files not being shown, missing trailing semicolon May 21 01:34:22 that could be a reason why your apps aren't showing up May 21 01:34:59 thanks, I'll check it out May 21 01:36:27 these worked ok in 1.1.99 May 21 01:36:46 ver: I used a build May 21 01:37:20 I have the new (5/19) 1.2 image on a asus netbook, works happily, np with suspend May 21 01:37:56 There's always got to be one :} May 21 01:39:14 Is it common amongst all the verticals that only music that is under /home/meego/music is used by the music app? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 21 02:59:58 2011