**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 21 02:59:58 2011 May 21 03:00:27 o/ from SF May 21 03:01:28 _o/ May 21 03:04:00 * lbt is now hunting for an HP psu May 21 03:04:16 mine just died ;( May 21 03:56:47 o/ lbt May 21 04:23:22 hey Stskeeps|holiday May 21 04:23:29 just ate May 21 04:26:41 grr, bad time to ask, I know ... but does anyone know if there's something like a reset button on an ExoPC? May 21 04:27:05 I installed the latest 1.2.0, and it just locked up, and pressing the power button isn't power cycling like it did with the old version. May 21 04:30:33 press and hold akk May 21 04:30:39 like ordinary PC May 21 04:31:05 I found the little paperclip button, but I've tried pressing and holding there, pressing and holding the power button, and both at the same time ... no luck. May 21 04:31:07 Any tips? May 21 04:31:11 press and hold what? May 21 04:33:38 It shouldn't be a power problem -- it's fully charged and still plugged in. May 21 04:35:52 lbt, cool May 21 04:36:11 we're heading for sleep, came back from santa cruz May 21 04:36:23 *nod* us too May 21 04:36:33 v. tired :) May 21 04:37:13 bit miffed the laptop power supply looks dead May 21 04:37:37 110v vs 220v issue? May 21 04:37:54 no... broken core by the plug I think May 21 04:37:59 ah May 21 04:38:10 cable wiggle works a little bit May 21 04:38:46 now googling "buy power in SF" May 21 04:39:37 wonder if Fry's is still open? You could stop on the way. May 21 04:39:54 nope, 9pm May 21 04:40:05 akk: do you know sf? May 21 04:40:11 I'm at the Hyatt now May 21 04:40:13 no, I'm in san jose May 21 04:40:19 so need to get a psu May 21 04:40:58 there's a mall way over on the west side of SF, but I'm sure there's something a lot closer, I just don't know where May 21 04:41:39 OK .. I'll google a bit May 21 04:45:37 lbt: plenty of shops on market st as well May 21 04:55:16 lbt: i know sf May 21 04:55:20 what are you looking for? May 21 04:56:30 ieatlint: hey May 21 04:56:57 I have a compaq 6910p laptop .... the power adaptor cable seems broken May 21 04:57:07 so I need a new adaptor May 21 04:57:31 found http://www.centralcomputers.com/index.htm May 21 04:57:34 quite close May 21 04:57:45 yeah, centralcomputer is the only computer place in the city May 21 04:58:09 we then have "best buy", which would be like dixons May 21 04:58:16 which may or may not have an adapter May 21 04:58:47 yeah ... these things are so model specific May 21 04:58:49 if neither of those work, you're in trouble… there's the infamous frys electronics, but they're not close to sf May 21 04:59:16 I have a dell ... same plug/polarity but 19.5 not 18.5 ... doesn't work May 21 04:59:26 yeah, central computer likely sells a "generic" laptop adapter that will have a bag of 10+ tips for the adapter that may work for you May 21 05:00:12 you may be in trouble… can probably find a way to order one, but you likely won't get it until tuesday morning May 21 05:00:14 fingers crossed :) May 21 05:00:40 yeah, take a walk over to central computer May 21 05:00:46 may buy miniscrewdriver ... transplant hdd May 21 05:01:19 gah.... opening hours... sat 10:30 am May 21 05:02:02 http://www.centralcomputers.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=76203&czuid=1305953410421 ? May 21 05:03:03 \o/ May 21 05:03:21 note the "call for in-store availability" May 21 05:03:55 and the online listings can differ from in-store — they may have another similar item, etc… you'll likely need to go down there May 21 05:04:00 If they don't have it at that store they might be able to get it -- there are several Central stores around. May 21 05:04:08 yep May 21 05:04:12 and frys failing that May 21 05:04:22 yeah, you can always spend a couple hours making a Fry's run May 21 05:04:40 akk ... in a taxi ... :( May 21 05:04:58 ieatlint: yes, saw that ... I'll call in the morning May 21 05:05:02 May 21 05:05:43 the OBS tutorial in the pm may be a little more ad-hoc than previously planned .... :) May 21 05:06:07 expressive dance May 21 05:06:07 yeah, unfortunately I don't think any Frys are close to caltrain or bart. May 21 05:06:38 but... Denise managed to get the wire wiggled the right way long enough to boot and copy presentations onto a usb stick... so may be OK for that May 21 05:06:42 Maybe you can borrow a compaq power supply during the talk? May 21 05:06:51 looks like best buy might have one if central computer doesn't May 21 05:07:09 there are 2 best buys in san francisco, both are reachable by taxi or public transit May 21 05:07:26 * lbt takes Stskeeps|holiday's drink away May 21 05:07:41 ieatlint: are you around in the am? May 21 05:07:53 I'll call central when they open May 21 05:08:10 and if it's a no-no I may need some advice on next steps May 21 05:08:10 i'll be at the hotel tomorrow before 9am May 21 05:08:15 i'm helping to give the intro to qt sessions May 21 05:08:36 OK - I'm sure we'll bump into each other then May 21 05:08:45 i'm currently perhaps in view of your hotel room, if you can see treasure island May 21 05:09:03 on 17th floor ... can see a fair way May 21 05:09:30 if you see a bridge, that's the bay bridge, and i'm on the island it goes to May 21 05:10:19 ah, we look the other way... shame ... I'd have taken a flash photo ;) May 21 05:10:34 haha May 21 05:10:42 hi May 21 05:10:43 "somewhere in this photo is ieatlint" May 21 05:10:52 indeed May 21 05:11:00 i'm out where you can get some of the best views of the city May 21 05:11:28 I can imagine... the view from here is nice and it's right in it May 21 05:12:40 good to hear everyone is arriving May 21 05:12:43 or has May 21 05:12:43 heh May 21 05:13:03 not the best pic, but here's one from where i am http://www.rickbucich.com/wp-content/original/2011_03/San-Francisco-Skyline-16.jpg May 21 05:13:21 nice! May 21 05:17:39 morning May 21 05:34:58 hi, is anyone successfully using meego sdk on ubuntu 64-bit? May 21 05:35:28 * Jay_BEE heads to ubuntu site to grab 32-bit edition... May 21 05:59:11 Jay_BEE: I use 64bit and SDK, but my setup is somewhat customised. May 21 05:59:23 I pretty much manually installed everything from git May 21 06:00:14 Stskeeps|holiday: are you up? May 21 06:00:56 I doubt he's up if he's in the US already ;) May 21 06:02:03 Though me may not be asleep yet I guess. May 21 06:02:30 it's only 23:00 in California now May 21 06:03:08 He's also with his Wife I think :P May 21 06:03:24 alterego: interesting... attempting to install the meego sdk under 64-bit ubuntu 10.10 resulted in the error "No such file or directory" May 21 06:03:42 Jay_BEE: chmod +x your download file May 21 06:03:47 Oh wait May 21 06:03:54 You need to install ia32 lib support. May 21 06:03:54 did that first May 21 06:04:01 oh May 21 06:04:04 hmm May 21 06:04:06 sudo apt-get install ia32-libs May 21 06:04:14 awesome... thx May 21 06:04:16 trying that now May 21 06:04:21 np May 21 06:04:40 I'm cutting this pretty close, I need to get a coach in under an hour May 21 06:06:03 alterego: that did it! install meego sdk now! w00t May 21 06:06:08 :) May 21 06:06:21 Have fun :) May 21 06:06:36 he is with his wife here in SF and he was up about 2 hours ago (Carsten (stskeeps)) May 21 06:07:01 Cool May 21 06:07:09 zehjotkah: feeding the tmo users I see :P May 21 06:07:31 sure, that what I do best ;) joking... May 21 06:07:49 It's unbelievable that, that group of people were only a week ago knocking Nokia and saying they'd never buy a Nokia again .. May 21 06:07:52 Now look at them. May 21 06:08:01 Looking at an advert frame by frame. May 21 06:08:14 LOL May 21 06:08:45 so true May 21 06:09:17 Anyway, I've almost finished downloading the 1080p version so I can watch it on loop on the 11hr journey. May 21 06:09:31 heh. May 21 06:09:37 * alterego chuckles May 21 06:10:13 I have to admit, it looks really pretty, I kinda get the same sort of view that I had when the N810 was released. May 21 06:10:18 Which was pretty sexy May 21 06:10:34 But, I don't see much point in getting hopes up, we'll see what happens. May 21 06:10:47 agree. May 21 06:11:07 As it stands, with the rumoured specs, I'd probably still get one as a healthy upgrade to the N900. May 21 06:11:20 I just hope it has HDMI and a compass. May 21 06:11:40 i'm hoping for nfc May 21 06:12:11 okay, I'm going to sleep May 21 06:12:27 still exhausted because of the flight May 21 06:12:38 g'night zehjotkah see you tomorrow ;) May 21 06:12:43 Or today for me May 21 06:12:46 :) May 21 06:12:46 But whatever :D May 21 06:12:50 :D May 21 06:12:54 i'll be there tomorrow May 21 06:12:58 I lose just under 3 hours :D May 21 06:13:02 all i can say, is qt-mobility 1.2 has a lot of stuff targeted towards harmattan May 21 06:13:04 yeah, I'm confused as wll with the time^^ May 21 06:13:06 and if this is the only harmattan device… May 21 06:13:12 alterege: where do you come from May 21 06:13:14 ieatlint: I should hope so :) May 21 06:13:14 ? May 21 06:13:17 zehjotkah: UK May 21 06:13:29 have we met before? May 21 06:13:29 i might drop by the hyatt bar tomorrow evening May 21 06:13:35 see peoples, have a drink May 21 06:13:41 I'll be there too May 21 06:13:41 zehjotkah: Unlikely, though anything is possible. May 21 06:13:46 :D May 21 06:13:49 I've never been to a conference/summit before. May 21 06:13:49 okay May 21 06:14:10 then we'll meet later May 21 06:14:13 bye May 21 06:14:42 Anybody alive in sf? :) May 21 06:14:49 this will be my first meego conference... i was CES this past January with a dead N900, luckily one of the guys from Nokia took pity on me and helped me rescue it May 21 06:15:01 :) May 21 06:15:05 wazd: i am May 21 06:15:10 the rapture doesn't hit until later May 21 06:15:14 ... May 21 06:15:16 I've just parked myself and want to drink LD May 21 06:15:36 17 hours of airports and planes May 21 06:16:16 hrm, i'm arguing with myself if i should head over for a drink May 21 06:16:46 kearny st 935 May 21 06:16:56 i'm building wayland from source. i'm drinkin. May 21 06:17:39 yeah, too far for me right now May 21 06:18:35 * thiago needs a new N900 battery May 21 06:19:17 does anyone have a BL-5J in good condition they want to donate? May 21 06:20:15 thiago: i actually have a spare… i may be willing to part with it May 21 06:22:26 then again, I can probably order it internally... May 21 11:14:00 chinese here ? May 21 11:51:10 * CosmoHill wants a Lexus IS200 now >.< May 21 14:35:25 Morning everyone! How's the jetlag coming? May 21 14:35:38 * Ronksu laughs at jetlag May 21 14:35:59 woke up at 0600 without alarm (that would usually be required) :) May 21 14:37:30 Ronksu: yep... that's probably what will happen for me, too. May 21 14:37:32 :-) May 21 14:37:39 * gabrbedd will be there tomorrow May 21 14:38:10 gabrbedd: I'm sure jetlag will have its revenge still :) May 21 14:39:02 Ronksu: did you come from across the pond? Or just the east coast? May 21 14:39:39 gabrbedd: "accross the pond" :D.. came from Finland yes :) May 21 14:41:08 Ronksu: Maybe you'll get lucky. :-) May 21 14:43:51 we shall see. Now I need to go find something to eat. May 21 15:01:05 * lbt groans May 21 15:07:09 lbt: hey May 21 15:10:42 lbt: too much bacon... or too much tango? May 21 15:11:32 * Stskeeps|holiday yawns May 21 15:26:08 Hi I tried graphical installer for meego 1.2 on Ubuntu 11.04 but got some errors during the installation May 21 15:27:11 sdk, you mean May 21 15:28:34 hey phaeron May 21 15:28:40 gabrbedd: too much airplane :) May 21 15:28:54 * lbt_2 about to go on a bacon hunt.... May 21 15:29:07 :-) May 21 15:29:12 anyone else going for bfast? Stskeeps|holiday X-Fade DawnFoster gabrbedd ? May 21 15:29:25 Stskeeps|holiday: yes meego sdk 1.2 May 21 15:29:27 been there done that May 21 15:29:31 pfft May 21 15:29:38 what's good? May 21 15:29:51 * gabrbedd already had breakfast at his home in Texas May 21 15:29:51 not really a breakfast person :) May 21 15:29:58 we went for the hostel bfast. toast, jam, coffee ;) May 21 15:30:11 no bacon, tho May 21 15:30:30 gabrbedd: ah, nm May 21 15:33:10 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3366 May 21 15:34:08 Is there anyone who got the same problem while installing meego1.2 on Ubuntu? May 21 15:34:29 *ubuntu 11.04 May 21 15:51:45 hi some expert around there...Can I install meego1.2 netbook in my laptop? May 21 15:52:10 along side Ubuntu and Win XP May 21 15:55:54 bkalinga1: Yes you can, but you pretty much need to know what you're doing. May 21 15:56:13 bkalinga: The trick is that MeeGo will write extlinux to your MBR and use that as a boot loader. May 21 15:56:34 bkalinga1: if you want to use grub... you'll have to go back and re-set-up grub somehow. May 21 15:57:02 bkalinga1: otherwise, you'll need to set up all your OS's with extlinux. The installer does an OK (not great) job of detecting your other OS. May 21 15:57:53 bkalinga1: Also I'm not confident in meego's partition resizing -- and it WILL NOT resize an ntfs partition. It's very easy to confuse the partitioner in the meego installer. May 21 16:01:06 ok May 21 16:01:52 but when i run the graphical installer for meego 1.2sdk on ubuntu 11.04 i am getting some error May 21 16:02:19 does anyone know the latest status of getting meego on the nookcolor? Can I help? May 21 16:03:09 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3366 May 21 16:04:21 bkalinga1: Are you talking about installing MeeGo, or the MeeGo SDK. The two are different. May 21 16:04:42 yes i understand.... May 21 16:04:47 bkalinga1: Also, it may be a few days before someone can help with installing the 1.2 SDK + Ubuntu 11.04. May 21 16:05:14 bkalinga1: Most everyone who knows anything is either in San Francisco at the meego conference or enjoying their saturday. May 21 16:05:19 please look at the thread and i am facing same problem May 21 16:05:37 bkalinga1: I do not use the "graphical SDK". I'm sorry, I can't help you. May 21 16:05:42 when using the graphical installer on ubutnu 11.04 May 21 16:06:03 how did u upgrade to 1.2? May 21 16:07:46 http://developer.meego.com/guides/getting-started/getting-started-meego-v1.2-sdk-linux May 21 16:08:08 i am following steps described in above wiki link May 21 16:08:42 upgrade to 1.2 SDK or a 1.2 MeeGo install? I don't think you can "upgrade" the SDK. May 21 16:08:53 anyone know if meego works on the imate jasjam? May 21 16:09:02 or dopod May 21 16:09:16 kurwaaaaa koniec świata! May 21 16:10:46 anybody? May 21 16:15:46 * Jay_BEE looks around from inside the Intro to QT warmup session May 21 16:37:57 hey, when I install the SDK, I see fonts like this: http://www.fotoshack.us/foto.php?id=46057fonts.png May 21 16:38:01 anyone know what's wrong? May 21 16:43:38 Stskeeps|holiday: ping May 21 16:44:06 nice fonts... May 21 16:44:41 Jay_BEE: i'd be the guy in the room up front with the usb keys May 21 16:46:06 ieatlint: i'm sitting next to you in the first row who has one of your usb keys :) May 21 16:46:30 haha, hi May 21 16:46:35 * TSCHAKeee just posted the following status to Facebook: so uh, how many of you have been raptured up? ... none of you? oh well. *points-and-laughs* HAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA May 21 16:46:44 * Jay_BEE waves May 21 16:47:07 TSCHAKeee: doesn't happen in san francisco until 6pm May 21 16:47:13 i'm confident i will get raptured still May 21 16:47:22 * Jay_BEE nods in agreement at ieatlint hehe May 21 16:47:34 * lbt_2 had some rapture earlier... May 21 16:47:39 i'd rather install the MeeGo SDK May 21 16:47:53 lbt_2: TMI May 21 16:48:07 heh May 21 16:48:11 i tried to get the meegosdk, but there's no offline version of the 1.2 release i could find to download May 21 16:48:31 ieatlint: ok May 21 16:48:36 gabrbedd: it was good coffee.... ;P May 21 16:48:56 * gabrbedd has never had coffee *that* good May 21 16:49:14 blue bottle? May 21 16:49:27 * TSCHAKeee roasts his own coffee, so he does have coffee *that* good May 21 16:49:30 ;) May 21 16:50:50 btw, those in san francsico looking for something to do this morning/today, there's a farmers market across the street at the ferry building that will also have a lot of good ready to eat food and such May 21 16:50:53 goes to about 2pm May 21 16:51:09 at which point they close to get ready for the rapture May 21 16:51:13 *ba-dum-ching* May 21 16:51:23 ok ok, joke beaten to death May 21 16:51:26 ;) May 21 16:55:38 heh May 21 16:59:14 ieatlint: Jay_BEE: I'm in the third row May 21 17:00:11 ieatlint: blue bottle is across the embarcadero (street) from the hotel May 21 17:00:11 in the wharf building May 21 17:00:11 it's very good May 21 17:00:33 TSCHAKeee, there's still time! May 21 17:00:53 jefferai: i'm familiar with it :) May 21 17:01:30 * Jay_BEE is not hip to the blue bottle :( May 21 17:02:19 it's a local coffee shop that has a few locations in the city… they're widely considered to be one of the best cups of coffee you can find May 21 17:03:04 ieatlint: nice, i'll keep that in mind... i had went to starbucks earlier :( May 21 17:03:43 ah May 21 17:03:43 I really wish that I could figure out this font thing, it amkes the manager totally unusable May 21 17:03:45 also I wish that the guy in front would stop saying Q.T. May 21 17:03:45 he should know better May 21 17:03:53 and he already explained to everyone that it's Qt, not Q.T. May 21 17:03:53 so why does he persist in calling it the wrong thing May 21 17:04:00 you ICS people... May 21 17:04:09 hehe May 21 17:04:28 jefferai: because when we say "cute", it makes us sound like 12 year old girls May 21 17:04:34 "i program in cute, tee hee" May 21 17:04:35 ieatlint, on the subject of good local places, Recommend any good restaurants around the hotel (or not, since the financial district is so expensive) that take reservations? May 21 17:04:49 ieatlint: so does "MeeGo" May 21 17:04:59 but you don't see people calling it "Boomshakalaka" May 21 17:05:04 lol May 21 17:05:11 jefferai: not as bad, and we can't find another way to pronounce that one ;) May 21 17:05:37 GAN900: i'm afraid i don't know that many in this area… the area is mostly dead after business hours May 21 17:05:39 I had some guy from ICS, let's call him John, tell me "I prefer calling it Q.T." May 21 17:05:44 Well, I prefer calling you Charlie, but your name is John, isn't it May 21 17:05:46 this is a business district, even the bars are a bit mediocre May 21 17:05:48 and Q.T. means QuickTime May 21 17:05:50 Q: what GUI framework do you use in? A: cute May 21 17:05:51 * GAN900 loves flying out of an airport with free WiFi. May 21 17:05:56 Q: huh? A: Q.T. May 21 17:05:59 Q: oh. May 21 17:06:20 ieatlint, yeah, friend was recommending stuff down south aways, but I'm not sure I want to haul a bunch of people a long way on BART May 21 17:06:24 GAN900: yelp.com is the best source for restaurant recommendations May 21 17:06:32 and it will tell you which restaurants take reservations May 21 17:06:33 garyou program in QuickTime? May 21 17:06:40 gabrbedd: ^ May 21 17:06:45 I ate at the Stinking Rose last time I was in SF. May 21 17:06:50 Was good, but a bit touristy. May 21 17:06:54 jefferai: just saying. May 21 17:07:05 jefferai: you're just being pedantic… perhaps i should call it qasar technology May 21 17:07:18 gabrbedd: if people like you would start calling it the proper name, people would stop getting confused May 21 17:07:24 ieatlint: why would you do that? May 21 17:07:35 it was named after Xt, not Quasar Technology May 21 17:07:55 renamed from what i understand May 21 17:08:01 jefferai: If the letters "Qt" was actually pronounced "cute" then there be no problem. May 21 17:08:40 anyway, in the US, we will switch between "cute" and saying the letters… it's not intuitive to say "cute", and it can be professionally awkward at times May 21 17:09:51 it just makes you guys sound like you don't know the product you're selling May 21 17:09:51 you guys are a Qt shop that calls it by the wrong name May 21 17:10:07 honestly? May 21 17:10:10 fwiw, he did just say 'cute' May 21 17:10:12 talk about professionally awkward :-) May 21 17:10:16 and i say this as affectionately as I possibly can May 21 17:10:17 I'm all for creative name/pronunciation things -- but "cute" just doesn't seem to be catching on in an internet community where the letters are primarily read rather than heard. May 21 17:10:25 WHO GIVES A FUCK, YOU BUNCH OF PEDANTIC BASTARDS! May 21 17:10:27 :P May 21 17:10:30 Teehee May 21 17:10:36 hahah May 21 17:10:44 Reminds me of the movie "that thing you do" with the "oneders" May 21 17:11:01 jefferai: eh, i can't really respond to that, as that's bordering me speaking for ics May 21 17:11:14 TSCHAKeee: nobody really, it just looks unprofessional May 21 17:11:16 just saying May 21 17:11:25 i've made my point, and continued well past any meaningful discussion… indeed, enough May 21 17:12:09 I think I just missed your point, is all May 21 17:12:14 but, no problem :-) May 21 17:12:22 /mute May 21 17:12:48 btw, is the guy up there using 1.2 SDK? May 21 17:12:49 or 1.1.x? May 21 17:13:02 en i mount a pendrive using the command "mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /home/user/pendrive" I can write data to it only when I am root. what do I have to do to be able to write data to it as a normal user. May 21 17:13:07 ... May 21 17:13:09 qt 1.1 with qtcreator 1.2 May 21 17:13:09 oops May 21 17:13:13 wrong channel May 21 17:13:13 err, qtcreator 2.2 May 21 17:13:21 ah, ok May 21 17:14:36 is there a way to apply a blur shader to a composited window, so that it blurs the windows underneath? May 21 17:14:46 anybody know why the meego ux is always rotating whenever I switch to it? May 21 17:30:18 gabrbedd, using meego in orbit has that effect! May 21 17:30:36 TSCHAKeee, a specific window or all windows? May 21 17:31:10 lcuk: either way.. basically, I am overlaying a transparent window over the top of another window (a media player, or the screen saver) May 21 17:31:22 lcuk: and i am looking for a way to blur the contents of what is below, no matter what it is. May 21 17:31:55 lcuk: orbit? May 21 17:32:03 TSCHAKeee, the way screensavers used to do it, was at time screensaver opens it takes a snap and uses processed version of that May 21 17:32:16 meh May 21 17:32:16 but if you want live updating background I guess more would be required May 21 17:32:19 yes May 21 17:32:40 sigh, nobody ever has answers to my questions May 21 17:32:44 lcuk: you mean like the space shuttle? May 21 17:32:44 gabrbedd, you might be, I am in bedroom after tiring wander round manchester May 21 17:32:45 :P May 21 17:33:03 TSCHAKeee, they try to answer :P May 21 17:35:16 TSCHAKeee: do you own/control the "contents below" that you're trying to blur? May 21 17:35:33 no. May 21 17:35:59 am I going to have to become a window manager? May 21 17:36:24 our UI controls different programs depending on what needs to be done May 21 17:36:27 TSCHAKeee: you mean like... you have a small window for your app, and you want all other app windows to blur? May 21 17:36:56 gabrbedd: my app is full screen, and it resizes and stacks other apps, makes them fullscreen, and puts them underneath it May 21 17:37:07 gabrbedd: so in essence you see an overlaid transparent UI on top May 21 17:37:37 TSCHAKeee: would you settle for "dimmed out" instead of "blurred" ? May 21 17:37:46 no. May 21 17:38:07 that's why I am wondering if i will have to become a window manager May 21 17:38:17 and just make the damned windows textures. May 21 17:38:24 TSCHAKeee: yes, you will. May 21 17:38:28 fuck. May 21 17:39:00 Sounds like you want compositing... but then you want to add a filter after several of the windows are composited to make your blur effect. May 21 17:39:08 * TSCHAKeee wants to cry. May 21 17:39:14 yes. May 21 17:39:26 That sounds to me like you've got to be fiddling with the compositing stuff... which is typically handled by the WM. May 21 17:40:11 You /might/ be able to do it without being the WM... but then you're essentially writing your own compositor. May 21 17:40:33 e.g. people can take screen shots and do whatever they want with the images. May 21 17:40:34 ok. May 21 17:40:54 and you probably want to avoid running 2 of these concurrently May 21 17:40:56 i will figure this out May 21 17:41:05 because I have a specific look i want to be able to do May 21 17:41:47 TSCHAKeee: which WM are you currently using? May 21 17:41:59 gabrbedd: xfwm4 May 21 17:42:06 with the compositor enabled. May 21 17:42:13 i really don't care what i use, as long as it works May 21 17:43:12 TSCHAKeee: I'll bet you can patch an existing, compositing WM to insert your feature... and that the patch would not be very invasive. May 21 17:43:28 *nod* ok May 21 17:43:53 TSCHAKeee: something like setting a custom window flag on your foreground window "_TSCHAKeee_WM_BLURR_EVERYBODY_ELSE" May 21 17:44:03 *nod* makes sense May 21 17:44:18 i hope i can use GL shader to do this... May 21 17:44:19 TSCHAKeee: and when you see that flag, you make sure that window is on top and then blur all the windows below. May 21 17:45:26 would i use mutter..or... mcompositor or.. hmmm May 21 17:46:36 TSCHAKeee: what UX are you running? And are all your apps Qt-based? May 21 17:46:54 gabrbedd: no UX at present May 21 17:47:00 gabrbedd: i'm doing everything on my own. May 21 17:47:15 TSCHAKeee: I couldn't make mutter work with meego-ux-daemon, I dunno why. May 21 17:47:18 gabrbedd: the new orbiter app itself will be Qt May 21 17:47:26 gabrbedd: but the apps controlled come from all over the place May 21 17:47:29 mcompositor is pretty cool -- unless you're using non-Qt apps May 21 17:47:31 Xine, mplayer, mame, et. May 21 17:47:34 c. May 21 17:48:15 I think matchbox lacks compositing support -- but I might be wrong. May 21 17:48:26 this leaves xfwm4 May 21 17:48:34 but it uses just basic render May 21 17:48:35 And xfwm4 is stable as hell. May 21 17:48:48 and doing a blur in software May 21 17:48:53 ....not feasible. May 21 17:49:30 You might also consider using clutter. May 21 17:49:39 (the upstream clutter, not meego's fork) May 21 17:50:17 I think that's a compositing WM, and somebody's using it as The WM now (either GNOME or Unity or Ubuntu or All The Above) May 21 17:51:03 ok May 21 17:51:27 we're building all our orbiter tech on Qt/QML May 21 17:51:42 but i don't mind if the wm would be using clutter or something similar May 21 17:51:52 i'm not a purist, i just want to see if i can pull this off May 21 17:52:06 thanks May 21 17:52:20 hope it helps. :-) May 21 17:52:32 we're gonna build the rest of orbiter May 21 17:52:35 and THEN circle back to this May 21 17:52:44 man this is gonna suck May 21 17:56:52 wow... the latest MeeGo UX is giving me a lot of trouble. :-/ May 21 17:57:00 * gabrbedd grumbles May 21 18:11:06 who's here? May 21 18:11:17 Nobody! May 21 18:11:18 ... May 21 18:11:20 hmm, timeless is still not here May 21 18:11:29 GAN900: when is the Collabora reception?? :)) May 21 18:11:35 hrm May 21 18:11:43 GAN900: confused you with Robin Burchell May 21 18:11:44 There's a Collabora reception? May 21 18:11:51 Clearly. May 21 18:11:54 :) May 21 18:12:10 GAN900: yes , the signs are there since last early am May 21 18:12:19 I had trouble falling asleep... May 21 18:12:26 * GAN900 is getting closer to boarding. May 21 18:12:27 my jet lag won't go away May 21 18:12:38 GAN900: in Heathrow? May 21 18:12:47 TPA May 21 18:12:51 TPA? May 21 18:12:55 Still not w00t. :P May 21 18:12:58 Tampa, FL May 21 18:13:20 Flying West is unpleasant. May 21 18:13:39 that's where amierica is May 21 18:14:41 I'm usually OK going East, but flying back West is murder. Flying back from BCN turned me into a zombie for days after. May 21 18:16:14 CosmoHill: score! May 21 18:16:28 GAN900: Weird... I'm just the opposite. Thankfully, I'm in my own timezone this time. May 21 18:17:29 hey I just realised, the upgrade I have planed would make my desktop meego compatable May 21 18:17:31 timsamoff, well, usually I catch redeye flights to Europe, so. May 21 18:17:56 That's ok if you can actually get some sleep, though, I guess. May 21 18:18:32 Usually can manage. May 21 18:49:19 if anyone's interested - here's a google calendar of the SF schedule https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=rrsd00vnq7f5e3qpsjb8o1flho%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Los_Angeles May 21 18:50:55 lol nice May 21 18:53:49 Saviq: thx May 21 18:54:10 exit May 21 19:43:47 anybody here? May 21 19:43:58 no! May 21 19:44:15 Damn! just my luck ;) May 21 19:45:10 they're all in california preparing to ascend May 21 19:45:18 Does anyone here know whether it is possible to install Meego from a live flashdrive to another flashdrive? May 21 19:48:27 smurf: should be possible, Linux generally does not care what kind of device you install to. May 21 19:50:15 A challenge is that Meego uses extlinux (which is not as good as grub when it comes to multi-device setups), and hardcodes device name instead of using UUID for the rootfs... May 21 19:50:21 I'm considering it because I hope to be able to fix Broadcom WiFi support which apparently isn't possible on a live installlation. Anyone have experience with that particular method? May 21 19:50:24 tias I'd say May 21 19:52:27 I have to find/make an extra free flash medium. Will installation erase the destination drive or can it be added to a flash drive that still has files on it? May 21 20:01:05 The installation will typically erase the device, it depends on what you chose during install. May 21 20:02:25 For me the installed would barf if certain setups were already on the device (even if it was be to erased). In particular LVM caused problems May 21 20:03:37 Is one of the options you can choose an installation on a partition without erasing it? Ehh... LVM? May 21 20:03:56 people mentioning LVM and meego in one sentence need to go away :) May 21 20:04:01 smurf: the installer doesnt know how to wipe a partition with LVM on it May 21 20:04:40 if you want broadcom wireless working you can switch to the Trunk kernel, which will support it May 21 20:04:47 1.2 does not support it May 21 20:06:32 Frankly I don't understand why it hasn't been added. WiFi hardware support seems a very important feature to me. Where can I find that version with the Trunk kernel? May 21 20:07:37 smurf: The problem is broadcom's license for their closed-source drivers. May 21 20:07:46 the brcm module wasn't stable enough in 2.6.37 May 21 20:08:11 also, broadcom waited way too long to open source it properly and release it in a usable form to the kernel May 21 20:08:14 smurf: There a clause that says, paraphrased, if you redistribute it then you are liable for any patent infringement issues that may occur. May 21 20:09:02 Haven't I read something about an open source version? May 21 20:09:35 smurf: The one in 2.6.37 doesn't work. I don't recall how things are with 2.6.38. May 21 20:09:43 gabrbedd: it works May 21 20:09:53 http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/kernel-2.6.39~rc6-135.2.i586.rpm May 21 20:10:09 sofar: that's .39, isn't it? May 21 20:10:11 :-) May 21 20:10:14 that's a current 'trunk' kernel - trunk is 39 basically, yes May 21 20:10:32 sofar: so it works in .39, now? May 21 20:10:38 * gabrbedd likes. May 21 20:10:48 it works on my lenovo s10/3t at work, yes May 21 20:10:58 not that I use it a lot May 21 20:11:08 I'm mostly working over ethernet anyway May 21 20:13:29 And how do I replace the kernel in a live installation wth this kernel? May 21 20:13:48 sofar: But do you recall the status of the .38 kernel? (smurf is probably using one of the .38 `pinetrail` kernels) May 21 20:14:03 smurf: you have to remaster one using mic2. May 21 20:14:08 no May 21 20:14:12 you can just install it May 21 20:14:17 zypper install foo.rpm May 21 20:14:21 I'm using the 1.2 netbook live version. May 21 20:14:41 that's all that is needed May 21 20:14:45 or even use rpm May 21 20:14:52 rpm -i foo.rpm May 21 20:14:55 sofar: he's talking about remastering the .img -- not an installed MeeGo May 21 20:15:02 smurf: right? May 21 20:15:19 if you're remastering images, can just download a new trunk image instead and get the systemd goodness May 21 20:16:46 http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ May 21 20:19:00 gabrbedd: Right. I want to 'fix' the live version I made with the .img May 21 20:19:56 So I wonder hoe that live version can access the other kernel. May 21 20:21:06 smurf: sofar is talking about how to fix it once you've already installed MeeGo... he's not talking about fixing a live .img file. May 21 20:21:33 BTW when I boot that live version I get the error "Unable to mount netbook-ia32-86_64-201105180936" but it then works normally. May 21 20:21:36 like I said, you can just download a kernel rpm and `zypper install` it May 21 20:22:10 smurf: One option is to download the image that sofar said above ^^, which is the latest development version that has a .39 kernel. May 21 20:22:15 as long as dependencies are met, zypper will install any rpm May 21 20:22:29 just download the kernel rpm I linked earlier May 21 20:22:38 http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/kernel-2.6.39~rc6-135.2.i586.rpm May 21 20:22:39 smurf: The other is to remaster an .img with MIC2 (which is how the images were made) May 21 20:23:06 you should even be able to do zypper install http:.......url/ May 21 20:23:32 smhar: And where did you get this 86_64 image from? May 21 20:24:16 probably rolled it himself :) May 21 20:26:26 smhar: I downloaded it from here: http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2011-05-21.log.html May 21 20:26:41 Oops soory wrong link May 21 20:27:11 Wrong copy/paste. From here: https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-v1.2-netbooks May 21 20:27:46 interesting that something in it refers to 86_64 May 21 20:27:57 almost worth filing a bugreport ;) May 21 20:28:25 I have downloaded the kernel from within the live Meego. Will now try to get it installed in Terminal..... May 21 20:28:43 smurf: the message "unable to mount" is normal. It shouldn't happen -- but it does, and won't cause you any problems. May 21 20:36:48 I need root privileges. adding sudo in front of the zypper command asks for password and 'meego' gives: "meego is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." Oh dear.... May 21 20:37:19 smurf: May 21 20:37:22 su - May 21 20:37:26 then visudo May 21 20:40:36 OK now I get an error about the path. It is downloaded in the ' May 21 20:41:05 ah yes May 21 20:41:13 It is downloaded in the default "Download" location. What's the appropriate path? May 21 20:41:24 it would be /sbin/visudo or /usr/sbin/visudo May 21 20:41:44 is gma500 supported on 1.2? May 21 20:44:28 "Problem with the RPM file specified as 'sbin-blabla.rpm', skipping. No valid arguments specified." May 21 20:45:38 jerryluc: please read the release notes May 21 20:46:35 actually, its not mentioned in there, hmmm May 21 20:46:45 short answer: not out of the box May 21 20:50:45 sofar: thanks. couldnt find anything about it May 21 21:00:07 CosmpHill: ok. I think I got it working using rpm -i /home/meego/Downloads/kernel...etc....rpm. Now how do I check the kernel version? May 21 21:01:21 check your /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf May 21 21:01:23 also May 21 21:01:29 once rebooted, type `uname -r` May 21 21:01:30 smurf: uname -a May 21 21:01:49 uname -a works too obviously :) May 21 21:04:03 BTW how do I reboot without first shutting down? It causes an extra powerup cycle on my HD. May 21 21:09:17 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQ2OQ May 21 21:13:20 gombos: MAKE UP YOUR MIND! :-) May 21 21:16:24 oh great, the wifi APs were last used in san diego, so now google is convinced i'm in san diego May 21 21:17:20 ieatlint: makes it easier to sneak up on people. May 21 21:18:06 rofl May 21 21:18:12 i'm also told they're bragging there is 150Mbit pipe for the conference with bursting up to 1Gbit May 21 21:18:34 and the aps are all wired with different uplinks, so it shouldn't get too bad… maybe.. May 21 21:19:23 ieatlint: at uni we have 300N wifi with a 100Mb/s backend May 21 21:21:42 they're running 802.11g here it seems May 21 21:22:13 we have the fantastic problem of all the servers are on the other campus May 21 21:22:21 haha May 21 21:22:28 twice the connection has broken and stopped all of our services working May 21 21:23:15 they do that at a number of retail stores here… wifi to the cash registers May 21 21:23:23 aside from the security concerns, you can walk in with a jammer and take down most/all of their cash registers May 21 21:23:25 really? May 21 21:23:47 yeah, there was an infamous case when someone dsicovered they could sit in the parking lot and intercept transactions May 21 21:23:58 most confusing thing was a notice saying "cable broken at X" May 21 21:24:19 between the two campuses, X is about 10 miles to the left May 21 21:24:26 http://www.docdroppers.org/wiki/index.php?title=Hacking_Home_Depot May 21 21:25:05 err, no, that's someone going up to the registers May 21 21:25:13 hmm, there's an article somewhere about the wifi incident May 21 21:33:44 CosmoHill: I got the zypper command working with a whole sequence of messages that it was creating things and asking whether I wanted to install the new kernel and reporting succesful completion but apparently it isn't persistent because after a reboot I still have the old kernel. The download was also not persistent and I had to redownload. May 21 21:34:01 Is it at all possible to do these things in a live version? May 21 21:34:13 no May 21 21:34:23 if you reboot the live version, everything is lost May 21 21:36:32 Well that was the whole point.... Will that version sofar linked to here: http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ have the .39 kernel? May 21 21:37:11 I don't know May 21 21:37:25 if you need to update the kernel you need to instal Meego first May 21 21:37:50 I understood it was suggested that kernel had Broadcom support built in. May 21 21:38:47 I started with a question about installation... Back where I started. May 21 21:40:08 smurf: you can not install a kernel into the live image. May 21 21:40:18 smurf: You have to create your own image using mic2. May 21 21:40:58 smurf: Or, if you're an expert at isolinux and squashfs... you can try to remaster the .img. I don't recommend this route... and nobody will help you with it. May 21 21:41:55 I'm definitely not an expert. Where can I find that mic2? May 21 21:42:39 smurf: Unfortunately -- mic2 isn't really an "easy" fix, either. May 21 21:42:53 smurf: But if you're determined, there's info on the wiki on how to get started with mic2. May 21 21:43:19 smhar: It's a developer tool -- so be ready to set aside a few hours to learn how to use it. May 21 21:43:24 Do you kow whether the version here: http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ has a newer kernel? May 21 21:43:44 smurf: look in the packages list right next to it. May 21 21:46:29 Right. It seems to have that same kernel I tried to install. Now there's still the question whether it has Broadcom WiFi support built-in. May 21 21:47:25 smurf: sofar says it does, and he should know. May 21 21:50:33 I'll try that image. Do you know whether it is possible to reboot without shutting down (powering off) first? May 21 21:51:53 smurf: As root, you can `shutdown -r now` and that should avoid a poweroff... but YMMV. May 21 21:52:30 In terminal? May 21 21:56:07 I'm thinking about getting this device to play around with: http://amzn.com/B0032ALW5C how might I go about finding out if meego 1.2 will operate with it? May 21 21:56:14 * rtyler is dying to try out the latest release May 21 21:56:59 gabrbedd: Yup. That worked. It rebooted. Frankly I feel it should be possible to do this from the GUI. How hard can it be to add this? May 21 21:57:54 rtyler: that'll work. Several of us have them. May 21 21:58:06 smurf: File a feature request on bugs.meego.com May 21 21:58:35 gabrbedd: will it work well enough for daily use? I don't want to find myself in another Maemo boat :P May 21 21:58:36 rtyler: the one gotcha is if it comes with a broadcom wifi card... which is unsupported (but there's some workarounds that work well) May 21 21:58:46 or openmoko for that matter <_< May 21 21:59:02 gabrbedd: got a link for the workaround(s)? May 21 21:59:07 rtyler: that netbook is awesome no matter what Linux distro you run on it. May 21 21:59:12 heh May 21 21:59:14 fair enough May 21 21:59:20 you don't work for lenovo do you? :) May 21 21:59:28 rtyler: google slaine broadcom meego May 21 21:59:37 no, i don't work for lenovo May 21 21:59:59 gabrbedd: I now see the latest image is over 300MB smaller than the 1.2 release. What's missing? May 21 22:00:14 you wouldn't happen to have any good photos of that device rnuning meego would you? :D May 21 22:00:22 smurf: dunno. compare package lists. May 21 22:00:42 rtyler: me? not at the moment. May 21 22:00:51 rats May 21 22:01:13 besides ubuntu, know if meego and/or other distributions ship multitouch support that works with the device? May 21 22:01:23 rtyler: why? there's lots of youtubes and stuff all over the place. May 21 22:01:35 rtyler: meego supports mt as well as ubuntu unity. May 21 22:01:50 rtyler: The next question is... what APPLICATIONS support it? (Answer: not many) May 21 22:02:12 rtyler: but even so, single touch goes a loooooong way May 21 22:02:39 isn't this the device that was given out at MeeGoConf last year as wlel? May 21 22:03:01 rtyler: yes, but that one had an atheros wifi card (which is supported out of the box) May 21 22:13:52 drats, talked myself out of the idea May 22 00:05:21 /join #meegoconf May 22 00:05:23 * MohammadAG suggests #meegoconf here on Freenode for all MeeGo conference attendees/stalkers/lurkers :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 22 02:59:58 2011