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May 23 03:56:07 <pethams> how do i find out if the tablet is running the latest release?
May 23 03:57:07 <clbr> does /etc/meego-release help?
May 23 03:58:03 <pethams> Ok. let me see if i can find something useful on /etc/meego-release. thanks clbr!!
May 23 04:03:04 <pethams> Yes. That helps. mine is running 1.1.90 and there is a latest available ver 1.2. Thanks again.
May 23 04:48:10 <Jay_BEE> re
May 23 04:56:30 <bkalinga>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  Error during installation process(com.meego.sdk.targets.netbook.ia32.1_2_0): Execution failed (Unexpected exit code: 1): "/home/kalinga/.config/meego.com/sdk/tm/create_target.sh meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0"
May 23 05:03:08 <bkalinga> Can not find '/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/cache/qt-tools-4.7.2-linux_i686.tar.gz' -- no such file.
May 23 05:03:08 <bkalinga> I am getting above error while installing MeeGo1.2 SDK
May 23 05:22:47 <Myrtti> I just love geany
May 23 05:23:28 <Myrtti> can compile and display my slideset with two pushes of a button
May 23 05:23:57 * mikeleib tries to make slides in QML and finds it a little trickier than beamer
May 23 05:24:04 <Myrtti> beamer ♥
May 23 05:24:12 <ahkok> soffice all the way here
May 23 05:24:21 <Myrtti> bleh
May 23 05:24:23 <ahkok> lol
May 23 05:24:27 <mikeleib> blaf
May 23 05:24:36 * mikeleib has no love for impress
May 23 05:24:39 <ahkok> sorry, no QML here :P
May 23 05:24:51 <Myrtti> I wouldn't have it at all if I didn't have friends and colleagues who use silly formats
May 23 05:25:06 <Myrtti> ahkok: LaTeX ♥
May 23 05:25:09 <ahkok> curse of working at intel
May 23 05:25:18 <thiago> mikeleib: gunnar made some slide elements for QML
May 23 05:25:22 <ahkok> 95% of the company uses microsoft office
May 23 05:25:23 <thiago> lars and gunnar will use it
May 23 05:25:32 <mikeleib> thiago: oh yah
May 23 05:25:35 <mikeleib> where's teh code?
May 23 05:25:36 <thiago> erm, lars and jørgen
May 23 05:25:43 <mikeleib> my slide element is teh sux
May 23 05:25:48 <thiago> you'll have to ask jørgen tomorrow
May 23 05:25:50 <ahkok> mikeleib, when is your talk?
May 23 05:25:56 <mikeleib> tuesday morn
May 23 05:25:57 <thiago> his presentation has a nice twist though :)
May 23 05:26:05 <ahkok> I'm blessed with having a day tomorrow to finish them up too :)
May 23 05:26:15 <mikeleib> lars?
May 23 05:26:28 <thiago> lars is tuesday in the timeslot after yours
May 23 05:26:30 <bkalinga> anybody successfully installed 1.2 on ubuntu 10.04
May 23 05:26:31 <thiago> in the big roo
May 23 05:26:32 <ahkok> ok, time for a beer, and then pack bags for tomorrow
May 23 05:26:32 <thiago> room
May 23 05:26:41 <mikeleib> aha
May 23 05:26:55 <ahkok> I'm suspecting that they booked me in the tiniest room on tuesday
May 23 05:27:31 <ahkok> Myrtti, are you attending the conference this time?
May 23 05:27:33 <mikeleib> I'm running against Min and at least a few other interested talks.  Plus, everybody should be hung over from the night before
May 23 05:27:49 <mikeleib> iirc, Myrtti is speaking
May 23 05:27:50 <Myrtti> ahkok: I've got a BoF session on Tuesday :-)
May 23 05:27:52 <thiago> ahkok: you're in Bayview A-B, which is for 200 people
May 23 05:28:06 <thiago> the big room is 700; then there are 3 rooms for 200, then two of 110
May 23 05:28:56 <mikeleib> is thiago having a good time?
May 23 05:29:10 <thiago> yeah, but also a jetlagged time
May 23 05:29:14 <ahkok> mikeleib, I'm right after your talk
May 23 05:29:25 <thiago> trying to stay awake so I don't fall asleep tomorrow during the welcome reception
May 23 05:29:26 <ahkok> ah
May 23 05:29:30 <ahkok> wow, 200
May 23 05:29:35 * ahkok giggles
May 23 05:29:55 <mikeleib> ahkok: after my talk, whatever you do will have the audience excited
May 23 05:30:21 <thiago> you guys are not coming for the keynotes?
May 23 05:30:42 <ahkok> I'm on the 8am shuttle to SJC tomorrow morning
May 23 05:30:48 <ahkok> I doubt I'll be there by 11
May 23 05:30:58 <thiago> in time for the free lunch then
May 23 05:30:58 * mikeleib arrives in SFO at 9:30
May 23 05:31:10 * mikeleib flies commercial :(
May 23 05:31:18 <ahkok> SFO isn't bad
May 23 05:31:30 <ahkok> 40 minutes to downtown on the bart
May 23 05:31:40 <mikeleib> not as relaxing as HIO, though
May 23 05:31:58 <thiago> OSL is pretty good too
May 23 05:32:16 <ahkok> lol
May 23 05:32:37 <thiago> I've done my door-jetway gate in 55 minutes
May 23 05:32:38 <mikeleib> oddly enough, the copenhagen airport seemed outright cozy
May 23 05:32:39 <ahkok> mikeleib, just made a xchat rpm for MeeGo
May 23 05:32:46 <mikeleib> ??
May 23 05:32:55 <mikeleib> emacs is already packaged.. irc client is included
May 23 05:32:59 <ahkok> no more empathy isc *g*
May 23 05:33:04 <ahkok> what is emacs?
May 23 05:33:13 <thiago> ahkok: wrong question
May 23 05:33:16 <mikeleib> it's that thing eating most of your ram
May 23 05:33:18 <thiago> the question is "what isn't emacs"
May 23 05:33:34 <ahkok> thiago, easy answer: everything on this box ;)
May 23 05:34:11 * mikeleib #meego's via erc.. it's nice
May 23 05:34:21 <ahkok> also, most of my ram is ... unused
May 23 05:34:58 <mikeleib> insert rant here about not being able to measure free memory in leeenux easily
May 23 05:35:00 <ahkok> which is hilareous since this laptop has 4gb memory but meego only sees 1
May 23 05:35:24 <thiago> mikeleib: free memory actually is easy. Measuring how much one app takes, however, that is hard.
May 23 05:35:29 <ahkok> eh, top -> total - cached
May 23 05:35:35 <ahkok> easy enough
May 23 05:35:35 <thiago> ahkok: 32-bit kernel with no high-mem?
May 23 05:35:50 <ahkok> thiago, standard trunk kernel, yup
May 23 05:36:13 <mikeleib> thiago: free lies
May 23 05:36:16 <ahkok> CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y
May 23 05:36:26 <mikeleib> or rather "/usr/bin/free" lies
May 23 05:36:29 <Myrtti> irssi ftw
May 23 05:36:33 * thiago proposes to bring back DOS's "loadhigh" command
May 23 05:36:54 <mikeleib> put resources on x32 and make kernel go 64-bit
May 23 05:37:16 <ahkok> mikeleib, that's in the plan
May 23 05:37:20 <ahkok> well
May 23 05:37:22 <ahkok> wish list
May 23 05:37:23 <thiago> mikeleib: the kernel doesn't need to be x32. It can simply be 64-bit, can't it?
May 23 05:37:30 <ahkok> thiago, yes
May 23 05:37:38 <ahkok> it will actually help performance if we do
May 23 05:37:53 <ahkok> the problem is that highmem is a pig performance wise
May 23 05:38:21 <mikeleib> thiago: just slight variation for syscall table, IIRC
May 23 05:38:28 <thiago> why?
May 23 05:38:37 <thiago> 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland, that's what OSX did on PPC, Solaris did too for a while
May 23 05:39:03 <mikeleib> 64-bit syscall table expects 64-bit ptrs in param, IIRC
May 23 05:39:08 <thiago> the only thing I can think of that we'd want to change is the actuall syscall method
May 23 05:39:17 <thiago> right, I meant the 32-bit syscall table
May 23 05:39:50 <thiago> it's already compiled in
May 23 05:39:56 <mikeleib> I think the stack switch needs to be adjusted for the different PCS
May 23 05:40:08 <mikeleib> from what I understand it's like a map.. not a big deal
May 23 05:40:28 <thiago> yeah, the actual sysenter/syscall
May 23 05:40:37 * mikeleib tries to recall ATPCS by rote like he used to be able to
May 23 05:40:59 <thiago> better to use the registers in the parameter-passing order, instead of what 32-bit does
May 23 05:42:10 <mikeleib> jah
May 23 05:42:45 <thiago> and, of course, the return-from-kernel mode needs to return to long mode, not 32-bit mode
May 23 05:43:16 <ahkok> anyway, I don't think we'll get it in 1.3
May 23 05:43:32 <mikeleib> 1.3 is still rainbows and unicorns
May 23 05:43:39 <mikeleib> it *could* happen
May 23 05:43:48 <ahkok> there's plenty already in 1.3
May 23 05:43:53 <thiago> krh told me he wants wayland in 1.3
May 23 05:43:58 <Stskeeps> mikeleib: pink unicorns
May 23 05:44:02 <mikeleib> if there was a large team of folks to work on it and boil the appropriate oceans
May 23 05:44:20 <mikeleib> Stskeeps: that fart rainbows
May 23 05:44:21 <thiago> sing the magic incantations
May 23 05:44:28 <ahkok> wayland will likely make 1.3
May 23 05:44:43 <ahkok> the problem is that we might not have anything using it
May 23 05:44:43 <mikeleib> I, for one, welcome our new compositing overlords
May 23 05:44:56 <ahkok> other than some dev projects
May 23 05:44:58 * Stskeeps could believe in wayland for 1.3, both x86 and arm
May 23 05:45:02 <ahkok> systemd is in 1.3 XD
May 23 05:45:16 <ahkok> pretty much all repos broke lol
May 23 05:45:25 <ahkok> chkconfig bwahaha
May 23 05:45:38 <ahkok> hmm, I should make a slide about that :)
May 23 05:48:58 * thiago remembers when pulseaudio broke all linux distros
May 23 05:49:09 <thiago> does anyone see a pattern? :)
May 23 05:49:12 <ahkok> thiago, that was yesterday ;)
May 23 05:49:56 <ar> thiago: not really. it didn't break the ones, where it was optional
May 23 05:50:15 * thiago still has it disabled
May 23 05:50:30 <ar> also, systemd is one of the things that actually work
May 23 05:54:24 * mikeleib makes lennart joke that lennart makes when he talks about pa
May 23 05:58:56 <ahkok> seems like anaZ broke trunk worse than me with the merge of rpm5
May 23 05:59:14 <Stskeeps> 4.9
May 23 05:59:37 <thiago> I think we need a session on RPM for the conference then
May 23 05:59:49 <ahkok> 4.9 right
May 23 05:59:51 <thiago> Stskeeps: new session submitted
May 23 06:00:34 <thiago> sivang: ping, are you there?
May 23 06:00:53 <thiago> sivang: unping
May 23 06:01:33 <Stskeeps> sivang: please prefix with BoF:
May 23 06:01:56 <thiago> done that for him
May 23 06:01:58 <Stskeeps> k
May 23 06:02:00 * thiago edited the title
May 23 06:02:20 <thiago> the last sentence in the summary says "this bof is for you"
May 23 06:04:18 <thiago> Stskeeps: time suggestion: Tuesday, last slot
May 23 06:05:59 <Stskeeps> Yes+ACK from me. sivang: i'd say something else than 'if you are a pilot'
May 23 06:06:07 * Stskeeps has to get some sleep
May 23 06:06:09 <Stskeeps> nite
May 23 06:06:40 * ahkok still needs to pack
May 23 06:06:49 * thiago too
May 23 06:07:08 <thiago> well, sleep, not pack
May 23 06:07:09 * mikeleib packs
May 23 06:07:11 <mikeleib> night all
May 23 06:53:34 <pethams> quir
May 23 06:53:36 <pethams> quit
May 23 07:01:00 <bkalinga> hi all, my old madde installation got corrupted due to   new installation for meego1.2 which eventually failed
May 23 07:01:21 <bkalinga> now i am unable to run mad-admin list from my Old Madde installation
May 23 07:01:33 <bkalinga> anyway i can patch the old installation
May 23 07:01:53 <bkalinga> is shows a broken link for mad, and mad-admin
May 23 09:14:53 <tim_____> anyone know where i can buy a meego netbook
May 23 09:16:09 <tim_____> the meego website should sell netbooks
May 23 09:16:43 <Tm_T> meego as a project is not about selling hardware
May 23 09:18:05 <tim_____> they should itll make life alot easier than buying a supported netbook that has windows which i dont want to pay microsoft if ill be using meego
May 23 09:19:03 <Tm_T> tim_____: I think the selling of meego hardware is job of other factions than meego project
May 23 09:19:11 <Tm_T> like, well, hardware vendors
May 23 09:19:23 <toninikk1nen> if there are companies selling meego netbooks, maybe it would be nice to have a list of those on meego.com (if not already)
May 23 09:19:51 <Tm_T> toninikk1nen: sure, but still meego.com shouldn't be the place to _sell_ them (:
May 23 09:20:32 <toninikk1nen> i agree
May 23 09:21:03 <Tm_T> tim_____: to get you started on your search, https://meego.com/devices/netbook/supported-hardware-platforms
May 23 09:24:42 <tim_____> i know the devices but all the netbooks are sold with windows
May 23 09:33:43 <zinit> good morning
May 23 09:33:48 <mece> \o
May 23 09:33:53 <zinit> how is san francisco?
May 23 09:34:31 <zinit> see its been busy on twitter:P
May 23 09:40:13 <mece> I'm not there. also it's 2:36 am there.
May 23 09:42:06 <zinit> was thinking of going, but couldnt take a week and a half off work (no way I would go all that way for just a couple of days)
May 23 09:43:07 <zinit> too expencive to go from dublin to SF to go for a few days. would have to make it a short vacation of at least 10 days
May 23 09:45:06 * slaine waves to zinit
May 23 09:45:14 * slaine is a dub too
May 23 09:47:10 <zinit> nice weather obama brought with him
May 23 09:47:27 <slaine> Well, the suns just come out, as per his commands
May 23 09:47:31 <zinit> in addition to fucking the traffick completelly
May 23 09:47:50 <zinit> aah, I see there is some sun now.. but still insane winds here in cherrywood
May 23 09:48:26 <zinit> sitting on the laptop I got at the meego conference at the aviva in meego 1.2 now
May 23 09:48:58 <zinit> everything worked out of the box:P that was nice. no need to screw around to get the broadcom wifi working:P
May 23 09:49:15 <slaine> You probably have a broadcom free ideapad then
May 23 09:49:16 <slaine> I do
May 23 09:49:17 <zinit> love that machine:)
May 23 09:49:49 <slaine> So I've kept MeeGo on my Dell Mini9 to keep the howto going, have Fedora14 on the ideapad atm for dev work
May 23 09:50:21 <zinit> got meego, opensuse and win7 ultimate on it
May 23 09:51:49 <zinit> win7 is slow as fuck.. but I think thats more of the windows gimmick than hardware performance...
May 23 09:52:35 <zinit> ubuntu has gotten too bloaty. and the new interface they got crashes all the time. so ditched it for opensuse
May 23 09:52:59 <zinit> stuck in 2 gigs memory in it. helped alot on wow performance:P
May 23 09:53:08 <toninikk1nen> i dunno why people keep on switching distros since this and that was slower than another... just switch your desktop environment
May 23 09:53:31 <toninikk1nen> use ratpoison or something, it's fast on anything
May 23 09:53:36 <zinit> wow, lotro and warcraft3 works like a charm. and starcraft ofcourse:P
May 23 09:53:52 <zinit> only one I cant run in linux is lotro. that one crashes wine
May 23 09:55:12 <zinit> got bored with ubuntu. the latest version had some bitchy bugs that screws with the touchscreen and the tethering to my iphone didnt work anymore there. and I use it to get online at work
May 23 09:55:42 <zinit> using the opensuse tethering and iproxy drivers in meego. no problems what so ever
May 23 09:56:06 <mece> wtf I'm stuck in set timezone dialog on MeeGo 1.2 netbook installation
May 23 09:56:13 <mece> forward button does nothing
May 23 09:56:21 <toninikk1nen> you will always have problems, the problem set might be different, but nothing will work perfectly, unless you make it. switching just switches your old problems with new ones
May 23 09:56:45 <zinit> strange... never had any trouble with the timezone during isntall...
May 23 09:57:25 <mece> so any suggestions how to get past this?
May 23 09:57:47 <zinit> the only thing that doesnt work like a charm in linux is the screen rotate and cant assign the "touch button (the top one) in linux
May 23 09:58:50 <zinit> and love the quickstart. works great for reading the newspapers and simple stuff like that
May 23 09:59:01 <zinit> wouldnt mind being able to replace that one with meego though...
May 23 09:59:09 <zinit> dont know if thats possible to do
May 23 09:59:29 <toninikk1nen> mece: mabe just try again ?
May 23 09:59:39 <zinit> heard someone was able to replace it with android... but never checked up on how they did it
May 23 09:59:49 <toninikk1nen> maybe out of sheer bad luck it just crashed at that point just this once :)
May 23 10:00:48 <mece> toninikk1nen, hm..
May 23 10:01:37 <mece> toninikk1nen, lemme try
May 23 10:02:33 <mece> nope same thing
May 23 10:02:59 <mece> when I clock "forward" the button stays pressed for 2 seconds then pops up and nothing happens. *sigh*
May 23 10:03:06 <toninikk1nen> i dunno then, maybe randomly click around like crazy ;)
May 23 10:03:19 <mece> Ḯve been doing that for a while now.
May 23 10:03:24 <mece> doesn't seem to do much
May 23 10:19:44 <zinit> tried using the screen to click it? I remember 1.1 you had to use the touchscreen to click buttons during install
May 23 10:27:19 <mece> Gaah this is just superbly frustrating!
May 23 10:30:58 <zinit> strange that it wont work... make sure the clock in the bios is going correct and mark off that the hardware clock is on utc. (at leas thats what I did). and choose the correct location so the timezone setting dont go bonkers
May 23 10:32:06 <zinit> one tihng I couldnt understand is why the twitter integration isnt in 1.2 by default... shouldnt have to set that manually... but at least the msn and facebook ones works like a charm...
May 23 10:32:12 <lardman> morning chaps, is there a channel setup in which we can ask conference attendees to ask questions on our behalf, or will this channel be used for all the conference chatter?
May 23 10:32:31 <MohammadAG> lardman, /topic
May 23 10:32:52 * lardman has had his client connected for too long ;)
May 23 10:33:08 <lardman> thanks MohammadAG
May 23 10:33:13 <MohammadAG> yw :P
May 23 10:33:20 <lardman> :)
May 23 10:53:37 <Ronksu> okay.. it's 03:50, and somebody on the street is practicing to play the "popeye the sailorman" -tune with a flute. I hope (s)he learns fast.
May 23 10:54:22 <zinit> hehe
May 23 11:14:35 <lcuk> the latest n900-de images include pyside so I heard yesterday
May 23 11:14:43 * lcuk wonders how to test this
May 23 11:14:50 <lcuk> khertan would know properly
May 23 11:21:57 * slaine waves to lcuk
May 23 11:22:12 * CosmoHill waves at slaine waving at lcuk 
May 23 11:22:38 * slaine waves back at CosmoHill 
May 23 11:22:52 <lcuk> hi slaine CosmoHill \o
May 23 11:23:13 * lcuk just booting 0520 image and testing something whilst 0523 comes in
May 23 11:25:00 * slaine will get 0523 later, 0520 got downloaded but not installed, DIY weekend
May 23 11:25:56 <lcuk> slaine, yeah
May 23 11:26:07 <CosmoHill> I downloaded meego netbook image yesterday, the internet download was faster than the network I transfered it over
May 23 11:26:20 <lcuk> i happily found that the 2 virtually identical microsd cards have completely different write speeds
May 23 11:27:05 <CosmoHill> lcuk: same brand?
May 23 11:27:18 <lcuk> CosmoHill, yeah
May 23 11:27:32 <thiago> same price?
May 23 11:27:33 <lcuk> and in the same reader doing the same operations
May 23 11:27:37 <lcuk> thiago, IDK
May 23 11:27:51 <lcuk> i just found it and thought "what if"
May 23 11:27:57 <lcuk> and it was different and faster
May 23 11:28:10 <lcuk> I think the faster one was the one I dropped in my cup of coffee ages ago
May 23 11:28:17 <CosmoHill> lol
May 23 11:28:24 <CosmoHill> caffine high maybe
May 23 11:29:09 <CosmoHill> oh, my motherboard and RAM should arrive tomorrow so hopefully I'll have a meego compatable computer at last
May 23 11:41:46 * CosmoHill just got a text saying his stuff has been posted
May 23 12:52:25 <jpe> tried meego 1.2 on my sony vaio netbook this weekend, it works fine, the wifi sometime looses connection, didn;t check logfiles yet
May 23 12:54:32 * CosmoHill wonders if we should be making a list of meego 1.2 compatable devices
May 23 12:55:51 <jpe> love the interface !
May 23 13:17:02 <CosmoHill> hey cl
May 23 13:17:27 <CosmoHill> lcuk*: I'm thinking it might be an idea of create a list of devices people have used with MeeGo 1.2
May 23 13:18:54 <lcuk> CosmoHill, I agree
May 23 13:19:08 <lcuk> a table on the devices page would be reasonable?
May 23 13:19:17 <lcuk> showing major points working
May 23 13:19:22 <lcuk> and points where people have issues
May 23 13:19:23 <CosmoHill> I'm thinking
May 23 13:19:44 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Status#DE_N900_feature_status_template_.28Under_construction.29
May 23 13:19:45 <lcuk> like that
May 23 13:19:48 <lcuk> but instead of bugs
May 23 13:19:48 <CosmoHill> manufacturer / brand: model: model number: yes / no: notes
May 23 13:19:55 <lcuk> devices and main points people need
May 23 13:20:18 <zinit> and if there are solutions, there sohuld be a wiki page showing how to get the problem solved when there are solutions to issues.
May 23 13:20:25 <CosmoHill> Apple: Macbook Pro: 2010 Macbook Pro: Yes: Intel graphics only
May 23 13:20:37 <lcuk> Manufacturer, Model, Boots, Wifi, Graphics, Keyboard, Notes
May 23 13:20:48 <CosmoHill> keyboard?
May 23 13:20:58 <CosmoHill> MeeGoBot: supported processors?
May 23 13:21:00 <MeeGoBot> CosmoHill: well, duh. Supported Processors are http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors
May 23 13:21:02 <lcuk> yes, does the vkb or hwkb work happily
May 23 13:21:06 <lcuk> it is a point for people
May 23 13:21:17 <zinit> only things that are still bugged on the s10-3t's seem to be the buttons on the screen (the 2 above the mute)
May 23 13:21:19 <CosmoHill> lcuk: something like that with more colums?
May 23 13:21:40 <lcuk> yes
May 23 13:21:43 <CosmoHill> I've still not had anyone with VIA or AMD processors say anything about meego
May 23 13:21:49 * lcuk nods
May 23 13:22:16 <CosmoHill> I was thinking of spliiting it into categories too, notebooks / tablets, handsets, misc
May 23 13:22:26 <zinit> via has no problems handling it. got a via micro itx machine with meego
May 23 13:22:44 <zinit> 800Mhz via eden cpu
May 23 13:22:45 <CosmoHill> zinit: what processor? I'll add it to the list
May 23 13:22:48 <CosmoHill> thanks
May 23 13:23:29 <zinit> CosmoHill: chipset is intel I think... at work now so dont have it infront of me:P
May 23 13:23:33 <CosmoHill> Via Eden esther?
May 23 13:24:00 <CosmoHill> wait
May 23 13:24:01 <zinit> pm me and I'll give you the info for the box when I'm at home later today
May 23 13:24:09 <CosmoHill> zinit: cool
May 23 13:24:15 <zinit> its a all in one card
May 23 13:24:21 <CosmoHill> accoridng to wikipedia the VIA Eden doesn't support SSSE3
May 23 13:25:11 <zinit> got meego 1.1 up on it at the moment. using the machine for running movies on a tv:P
May 23 13:25:55 <zinit> cant handle HD but divx works great (its about 5 years old, so understandable that it cant handle HD:P)
May 23 13:26:20 <CosmoHill> my powerbook is almost 6 years old and tries to set fire to my desk whenever I watch youtube
May 23 13:26:26 <zinit> hehe
May 23 13:27:18 <zinit> same as my old HP zd8000 then:P lost count of the times its given me 1st degree burns when playing wow or watching movies with it on my lap
May 23 13:28:43 <toninikk1nen> i'm wearing my meegoconf 2010 shirt.. someone stopped me on the street and said hey, meego, that's cool stuff
May 23 13:28:54 <zinit> nice:)
May 23 13:29:08 <CosmoHill> toninikk1nen: that's cool
May 23 13:29:17 <zinit> you should take a trip out to silicon valley when you are in san francisco anyway:P its not that far:P
May 23 13:30:07 <CosmoHill> lcuk: what should the page be called, supported devices?
May 23 13:30:39 <lcuk> CosmoHill, no
May 23 13:30:52 <lcuk> because it is also possible for devices which do not work to be listed
May 23 13:31:05 <lcuk> this is a cleanup of the /devices page
May 23 13:31:28 <lcuk> technically it might be right to just have this table at the top of the devices page itself
May 23 13:31:41 <CosmoHill> lcuk: ah I see
May 23 13:31:55 <CosmoHill> how about this, we create a table of the devices at the top of the page
May 23 13:32:01 <CosmoHill> and slowly replace the whole page with the table
May 23 13:32:13 <lcuk> well some notes on the page are useful
May 23 13:32:27 <lcuk> to clarify what is put into the table at the top
May 23 13:35:24 <CosmoHill> how does "notebooks" differ from "laptops"?
May 23 13:40:51 <CosmoHill> lcuk: if someone gives me cookies I'll work on this next week
May 23 13:43:04 <lcuk> ahh yes, cookies.
May 23 13:44:18 * CosmoHill gets on with his revision
May 23 14:16:23 <Sage_> does anyone walk with usb keyboard in SF atm? I planned to update the tablet image to my exopc but could not go through the installation because of no keyboard. :/
May 23 14:16:56 <gabrbedd> Sage_: I have one in my room.
May 23 14:18:19 <Sage_> anyone has one in the hacker lounge for example? :)
May 23 14:19:59 <gabrbedd> Sage_: If you get me on the wifi in the HL, I'll gladly go up and get my KB.
May 23 14:20:01 <gabrbedd> :-)
May 23 14:20:31 <Sage_> ? :)
May 23 14:20:37 <Sage_> the wifi is so bad in there atm?
May 23 14:21:12 <gabrbedd> Sage_: I'm on they "Hyatt" since I don't have the WPA passwd for the wifi in there.
May 23 14:22:23 <gabrbedd> Sage_: Are you in the HL right now?
May 23 14:22:31 <Sage_> not atm.
May 23 14:22:40 <Sage_> at my hotel room but will be down there in about 30mins or so.
May 23 14:23:51 <toninikk1nen> you going to finish your presentation slides on the exopc with no keyboard ? )
May 23 14:24:16 <Sage_> toninikk1nen: sure without oo and stuff ;)
May 23 14:25:04 <gabrbedd> toninikk1nen: it's all just handwaving anyway... right?
May 23 14:25:10 <gabrbedd> :-p
May 23 14:29:27 <ab> toninikk1nen, are you at SF?
May 23 14:29:32 <toninikk1nen> nope
May 23 14:29:34 <RST38h> moo, ab
May 23 14:29:52 <ab> toninikk1nen, ah, so you are like me
May 23 14:29:56 <ab> RST38h, meeh
May 23 14:30:39 <toninikk1nen> ab: i would have liked to go as such... but ... i have to admit i was just too lazy
May 23 14:31:05 <toninikk1nen> there's enough events here in Berlin to keep me occupied without moving my arse around the Atlantic :)
May 23 14:31:44 <ab> toninikk1nen, well, like a former colleague of mine said, it seems MeeGo Conferences in SF are coupled with volcano erruptions in Iceland. Looks like somebody is not really happy with the outcome...
May 23 14:32:03 <ab> last year it was also same week
May 23 14:32:37 <zinit> wasnt the vulcano after the conference in dublin?
May 23 14:33:58 <toninikk1nen> i remember how a certain cow-orker of mine went to SF and didn't get back because of the volcano
May 23 14:34:12 <toninikk1nen> and now, guess where that person is this time.. :)
May 23 14:35:33 * gabrbedd sighs in satisfaction.
May 23 14:35:50 <gabrbedd> Sage_: Thanks, bro.  I'm in the HL.
May 23 14:35:52 <zinit> how is the weather in california?
May 23 14:36:13 <gabrbedd> zinit: Same as always in SF: clear and chilly
May 23 14:36:46 <zinit> better than dublin.. switching between sun and rain, and is extremely windy.
May 23 14:36:57 <Sage_> toninikk1nen: jumping from happyness? :)
May 23 14:37:43 <toninikk1nen> nah i don't wish misfortune on others... but I guess I enjoy comedy where I can find it
May 23 14:38:26 <ab> zinit, it was Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit 2010 and there was MeeGo workgroup
May 23 14:38:29 <Sage_> toninikk1nen: eh, I meant that that person is here jumping from happyness? :)
May 23 14:39:45 <zinit> will be interesting to see where the emego conference will be next year..
May 23 14:40:07 <toninikk1nen> Sage_: ought to be, with luck he will get some days off from work... and to spend them in SF
May 23 14:40:30 * Sage_ heads to HL.
May 23 14:41:06 <CosmoHill> zinit: very windy here atm too]
May 23 14:42:01 <zinit> weird weather here in dublin... sunny and pouring down...
May 23 14:42:41 <CosmoHill> we just have the sun, not rained once this month that I can remember
May 23 14:43:19 <zinit> and you are where?
May 23 14:43:23 <CosmoHill> england
May 23 14:43:40 <lardman> CosmoHill: Hmm, is raining here right now
May 23 14:43:47 <CosmoHill> south east
May 23 14:44:06 <lardman> but you lot near Londinium seem to get better weather than us westerners ;)
May 23 14:44:18 <zinit> dublin was nice for a while. but the last few days has been completelly screwed up.. rain, sun, wind.. only thing we havent had the last 3 days is snow
May 23 14:44:27 <CosmoHill> I''ll trade you some for some cider
May 23 14:44:36 <lardman> lol
May 23 14:45:01 <lardman> well the way the wind is blowing here you'd probably get apple juice directly from standing under an apple tree
May 23 14:46:15 <lardman> I'm actually in Bath too, so not quite cider-country
May 23 14:55:56 <CosmoHill> either I'm really tired or this revision is boring
May 23 15:07:20 * Sage_ is having the meego breakfast at hyatt
May 23 15:08:14 <Stskeeps> how is it?
May 23 15:08:31 * timeless_w7ip is getting phone calls from finland to the finnish cell number
May 23 15:08:33 * timeless_w7ip grumbles
May 23 15:08:40 <Sage_> better than I expected, however a bit too sweet in my opinion.
May 23 15:08:46 <timeless_w7ip> anyone here want to help me get Elisa to terminate my service?
May 23 15:08:54 <timeless_w7ip> it was supposed to be dead already but it clearly isn't
May 23 15:09:24 <toninikk1nen> timeless_w7ip: i bet 99% of those calls you get are telemarketers trying to sell you a DNA subscription
May 23 15:09:32 <timeless_w7ip> heh
May 23 15:09:36 <toninikk1nen> that's at least true in my case
May 23 15:09:43 <timeless_w7ip> no, this was a friend who had moved away and just returned for the summer
May 23 15:09:45 <toninikk1nen> every unknown number that calls me is one of those
May 23 15:09:58 <timeless_w7ip> my new local US number has already received one evil call
May 23 15:10:06 * timeless_w7ip goes to find the log for it
May 23 15:11:18 <timeless_w7ip> Portfolio <http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-859-918-0780> called @8:21 am on Saturday
May 23 15:11:25 <timeless_w7ip> (according to my cell phone log)
May 23 15:11:28 <timeless_w7ip> incredibly rude
May 23 15:12:00 * timeless_w7ip didn't answer it, but it did interrupt an essential sleep cycle
May 23 15:18:21 * timeless_w7ip is trying to teach gmail that most conversations aren't important
May 23 15:18:33 <timeless_w7ip> i have 110,281 "important" conversations
May 23 15:18:45 <timeless_w7ip> 81,126 of which I haven't read...
May 23 15:19:41 <gabrbedd> timeless_w7ip: turn off your phone when you sleep.  :-p
May 23 15:19:56 <timeless_w7ip> then i can't find out about spammers..
May 23 15:20:18 <gabrbedd> timeless_w7ip: you have the weirdest priorities.
May 23 15:20:46 <gabrbedd> timeless_w7ip: Are you in the hacker lounge?
May 23 15:22:19 * gabrbedd goes to forage for breakfast
May 23 15:24:15 <timeless_w7ip> i'm in my room. i need to find misha/thp and get the duffle bag I left w/ them @SFO when we arrived
May 23 15:25:08 <timeless_w7ip> gabrbedd: i get less spam than ham. so it's easier to deal w/ spammers
May 23 16:00:44 <TSCHAKeee> what is the observed battery life on the eXoPCs?
May 23 16:01:21 <ahiemstra> 2h if you're lucky?
May 23 16:01:24 <jukkaeklund> those with N900 and want to try out MeeGo on it, we are having a release for SF: http://wiki.meego.com/N900
May 23 16:01:29 <akk> Yeah, that's about what I see, a couple hours.
May 23 16:01:30 <ahiemstra> if my wetab is any indication
May 23 16:01:55 * TSCHAKeee facepalms
May 23 16:02:06 <TSCHAKeee> that's fucking terrible.
May 23 16:02:24 <TSCHAKeee> especially when I have a netbook based on the same pinetrail setup, and I get 6 hours out of it in meego netbook.
May 23 16:02:28 <ahiemstra> it depends a bit on what you're running on it, the meego tablet ux lacks any form of power management
May 23 16:02:29 <akk> yep
May 23 16:02:39 <ali1234> it's x86....... what do you expect?
May 23 16:02:45 <ali1234> good battery life??
May 23 16:02:45 <TSCHAKeee> :(
May 23 16:02:47 <ahiemstra> so it will just sit there and eat your battery
May 23 16:02:56 <akk> ali1234: x86 netbooks can do three times that.
May 23 16:03:09 <TSCHAKeee> i
May 23 16:03:13 <ali1234> if you connect a 12 cell battery they can
May 23 16:03:14 <TSCHAKeee> i've even pulled 7 hours
May 23 16:03:20 <akk> If there were some way to turn off the wifi (maybe there is from a terminal?) it might help.
May 23 16:03:24 <TSCHAKeee> out of my Asus eeePC 1005PEG
May 23 16:03:28 <ali1234> ie more battery than netbook
May 23 16:03:29 <ahiemstra> the battery in it is just very small
May 23 16:03:44 <ahiemstra> probably to counter the relatively heavy screen
May 23 16:03:49 <TSCHAKeee> this is what drives me insane
May 23 16:03:55 <TSCHAKeee> the ARM tablets have great battery life
May 23 16:03:56 <akk> ali1234: My ancient centrino vaio with the standard battery gets about 6 hours. Some Atom netbooks supposedly do a lot better.
May 23 16:04:07 <TSCHAKeee> but i can't get decent support out of the chips in linux
May 23 16:04:32 <akk> er, 6 hours with an older kernel, not with the current kernels that broke power management
May 23 16:05:43 <ahiemstra> to be honest, the battery life on opensuse with the wetab is better, especially when only using it sporadically since it will properly sleep
May 23 16:06:13 <n1_> is the battery drain related to the 2.6.38/39 kernel bug?
May 23 16:06:17 <akk> Not being able to sleep hurts the MeeGo ExoPC a lot.
May 23 16:06:37 <n1_> according to phoronix battery life got a bump by 10-30%
May 23 16:07:13 <n1_> but it sounds like a temporary problem
May 23 16:07:44 * TSCHAKeee currently gets about 5 hours out of an Archos 9, with heavily tweaked power management for our Orbiter software.
May 23 16:09:46 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 23 16:16:12 <iekku> morning
May 23 16:22:03 <thp> timeless_w7ip: we'll be heading to the room shortly before the keynote to pick up the laptop, so you could fetch your stuff then
May 23 16:39:30 <timeless_w7ip> thp: sounds good
May 23 16:40:08 <timeless_w7ip> lemme try to grab breakfast
May 23 16:47:23 * timeless_w7ip hunts breakfast
May 23 16:47:51 * lardman wonders if that requires a spear, bow and arrow or rifle?
May 23 16:48:12 <timeless_w7ip> a map i think
May 23 16:48:18 <akk> Or just a sharpened credit card
May 23 16:48:20 <RST38h> lardman: Cats are not THAT hard to catch
May 23 16:48:34 <lardman> yuck!
May 23 16:48:37 <RST38h> Anyways, what are the latest news from the conference?
May 23 16:48:41 <ahiemstra> just a big book should suffice
May 23 16:48:55 <lardman> RST38h: T-minus 15minutes I think
May 23 16:49:15 <RST38h> Ah, that damn west coast is MSK-11
May 23 16:49:18 <lardman> RST38h: new N900 DE released apparently
May 23 16:49:24 <RST38h> Pretty inconvinient
May 23 16:49:36 <lardman> yeah will be a long night
May 23 16:49:39 * RST38h goes to tmo for the news
May 23 16:50:14 <RST38h> Am I missing something or is meego.com missing any realtime conference coverage whatsoever?
May 23 16:50:30 <lardman> RST38h: head to #meegoconf
May 23 16:50:55 <lardman> RST38h: plus this: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/live-streaming
May 23 16:51:14 <RST38h> Ah! I knewI was missing something =)
May 23 16:51:49 <lardman> I had to ask this morning too, apparently it's in some strange thing called a /topic that no-one ever reads ;)
May 23 16:52:55 <RST38h> topic? what topic? :)
May 23 16:53:18 <lardman> shame this page can't be localised so I don't have to keep subtracting 8 hours: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/live-streaming
May 23 16:56:51 <TomaszD> hey
May 23 16:57:03 <TomaszD> does the live streaming flash player work for anyone? http://sf2011.meego.com/program/live-streaming
May 23 16:57:15 <TomaszD> it promptly crashes here
May 23 16:57:43 <CosmoHill> I think it's crashed for me too
May 23 16:58:31 <TomaszD> that's disappointing, it's like 6 minutes till the keynote starts
May 23 16:58:50 <btdrucke_> void: modal dialog will support expanding width
May 23 17:01:21 <TomaszD> so annoying :(
May 23 17:01:48 <ar> it keeps buffering here
May 23 17:02:59 <GAN900> TomaszD, I'll live blog in #meegoconf
May 23 17:03:26 <TomaszD> GAN900, thanks
May 23 17:04:11 <lcuk> TomaszD, if you have not seen GAN900 in action, you are missing something
May 23 17:04:15 <lcuk> his thumbs are a blur!
May 23 17:04:49 <GAN900> lcuk, real laptop this time. ;)
May 23 17:05:30 <TomaszD> we'll see
May 23 17:05:32 <TomaszD> :)
May 23 17:05:48 <TomaszD> for the time being I'd love the player not to crash the latest flash player on linux
May 23 17:05:48 <lcuk> GAN900, you have a PPM rating
May 23 17:05:58 <lcuk> most people do WPM, but you have to be based on paragraphs
May 23 17:06:40 <suy_> does the streaming of the conference work for any of you?
May 23 17:07:22 <ph0b028> no
May 23 17:07:44 <TomaszD> doesn't crash the flash plugin on android though... but it pretends to be buffering
May 23 17:07:45 <GAN900> Still nobody manning the camera(s)
May 23 17:08:18 <suy_> ok, thank you; i was afraid i was missing it :)
May 23 17:08:51 <Milhouse> no live stream here
May 23 17:10:03 <lardman> I might have to resurrect IE to see if that will work, I don't even see a flash player with FF4
May 23 17:10:05 <Milhouse> I also just tried the SF release of N900DE... anyone else? Not sure what to make of it... without sounding harsh.
May 23 17:10:09 <CosmoHill> I hope the audio is better than last time
May 23 17:10:26 <lardman> Milhouse: I've just downloaded it and was going to try....
May 23 17:10:29 <Milhouse> lardman: I just tried Opera 11.11 and FF4.01 - no joy in either
May 23 17:10:35 <lardman> ok thanks
May 23 17:10:46 <GAN900> Milhouse, #meegoconf for live blog. ;)
May 23 17:10:54 <Milhouse> lardman: There just seems to be no real progress (compared with an image from a couple of months ago)
May 23 17:11:13 <RST38h> Milhouse: Is "good progress from 1.1" the wording you are looking for? =)
May 23 17:11:14 <Milhouse> GAN: ta! :)
May 23 17:11:25 <GAN900> Milhouse, we've got the same tech demos from Dublin!
May 23 17:13:38 <Milhouse> RST38h: Not really - I've tested a few builds, 1.1.80 etc. and those in between until today, and I just don't know what to think...
May 23 17:14:01 <RST38h> Milhouse: ok, just say it
May 23 17:14:03 <Milhouse> RST38h: I mean I tried qatbowling and it trashed xorgggggg
May 23 17:14:03 <lardman> hmm, from the announcement I thought it might all be up and running and ready for use now
May 23 17:14:11 <Milhouse> RST38h: It's slow as treacle
May 23 17:14:25 <Milhouse> RST38h: It is, quite frankly, awful.
May 23 17:14:37 <RST38h> Milhouse:Go for CSSU instead
May 23 17:14:44 <Milhouse> oops, not sure where all those extra g's came from - dodgey keyboard :)
May 23 17:14:46 <Stskeeps> netbook or handset? ..
May 23 17:15:56 <Milhouse> RST38h: Perhaps my expectations are set too high - I thought we might be getting a moderately usable MeeGo build but I'm not too hopeful given the current pace of improvement
May 23 17:16:04 <Milhouse> handset, N900DE
May 23 17:16:07 <RST38h> No,you won't be
May 23 17:16:27 <RST38h> BUT,on the other hand, the slowdown may be because of the specific installation scheme
May 23 17:16:39 <Milhouse> Maybe, Class 10 SDHC
May 23 17:16:42 <RST38h> If there is a slow swap problem,that would do it for you
May 23 17:16:56 <Milhouse> But these "performance" issues have been known about for months
May 23 17:17:14 <matthew_> Hello! Anybody knows about live streaming from meego conference? It doesn't work for me.
May 23 17:17:21 <Milhouse> Anyway... I hate to be so critical, but there it is - hugely disappointing.
May 23 17:17:43 <lardman> matthew_: same here, and head for #meegoconf
May 23 17:24:01 <kahless> is anyone meego netbook-edition and gentoo dualbooting? extlinux wont boot gentoo
May 23 17:24:19 <kahless> bootmenu is just blinking, no error msgs
May 23 17:28:18 <DawnFoster> With so many people trying to watch the keynote, we're having a few issues with the Live Stream. Should be back soon.
May 23 17:29:08 <timsamoff> Hi, kimtake!
May 23 17:30:59 <dm8tbr> what's 'so many'?
May 23 17:31:23 <Milhouse> 23
May 23 17:31:26 <Milhouse> :)
May 23 17:31:31 <dm8tbr> For MeeGoFI I had bandwith for _thousands_ of viewers and hardly used it during the keynote...
May 23 17:33:16 <TSCHAKeee> anyone recording it?
May 23 17:33:38 <dm8tbr> would need to work for it to be recorded...
May 23 17:35:23 <Mirv> netromedia doesn't really convince... didn't Fluendo people have some streaming company as well? maybe we could also get HTML5/WebM streams then...
May 23 17:35:49 <DawnFoster> no, the video is being recording - the issue is in getting it out to the live stream. We always isolate the 2 so that a live stream fail can't impact our ability to upload the video later
May 23 17:37:05 <kidproquo> DawnFoster, good to know
May 23 17:39:24 <lardman> DawnFoster: there's a link issue on the website too. I'm not sure whether the live streaming link from e.g. http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/keynote-jim-zemlin-future-meego-starts-now (which goes to http://sf2011.meego.com/program/session/live-streaming) should work
May 23 17:39:39 <lardman> but I doubt it, and I guess it should be this link: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/live-streaming
May 23 17:40:09 <dm8tbr> Mirv: I had 2x 1GBit of icecast bandwith for MeeGoFI plus several 100M locations as fallback. worked right from HTML5 capable browsers that do support theora, with fallback to cortado (java based) with fallback to stream url for playback in vlc...
May 23 17:40:37 <dm8tbr> and I was working on a zero point zero budget
May 23 17:41:09 <Mirv> dm8tbr: sounds great, "too bad" I was on location ;)
May 23 17:41:19 <dm8tbr> ;)
May 23 17:42:31 <Myrtti> :-P
May 23 17:43:43 <Myrtti> I'll take pictures for you guys to enjoy :-P
May 23 17:44:46 <dm8tbr> Myrtti: you are physically there, there is not much more you have to do to gain our envy :-p
May 23 17:45:51 <Myrtti> I shall rub it in a bit more if anything exciting happens :-P
May 23 17:51:26 <mcpi> markguim is streaming with his mobile http://yfrog.com/66cbtz
May 23 17:51:41 <mcpi> ok, it is not a stream
May 23 17:54:49 <akk> Are there going to be videos of the sessions for later download?
May 23 17:55:01 <akk> (even if there are problems with livestreaming)
May 23 17:55:26 <timeless_w7ip> akk: there's a professional video camera behind us at the back
May 23 17:55:35 <timeless_w7ip> so one would hope he isn't just standing there for show
May 23 17:55:58 <akk> Fingers crossed!
May 23 17:56:17 <mcpi> maybe for premium download via itunes? :P
May 23 18:06:43 <timeless_w7ip> does anyone here have acccess to 'mixxx'?
May 23 18:08:24 <RST38h> moo, wazd, how is SF?
May 23 18:09:35 <wazd> Rst38h, hey, listening to the opening keynote right now :)
May 23 18:55:04 <harbaum__> Any giveaways already i need to be jealous about?
May 23 18:55:13 <Stskeeps> not so far
May 23 18:55:42 <harbaum__> Anything interesting so far? The live stream isn't working
May 23 19:00:25 <kidproquo> harbaum__, stream is working now...
May 23 19:01:10 <harbaum__> thx
May 23 19:01:21 <maclaver> Just in time for Robin!!!
May 23 19:01:36 <maclaver> Maybe the synchronization god smiled down on the conference.
May 23 19:45:52 <cityLights> anyone here?
May 23 19:46:31 <dm8tbr> no
May 23 19:46:49 <lcuk> yes
May 23 19:46:54 <cityLights> was hoping to hear when the N9 will be released
May 23 19:47:09 <dm8tbr> ask nokia
May 23 19:47:32 <cityLights> anyone here can help with hildon-status menu?
May 23 19:48:56 <lcuk> cityLights, which MeeGo UX is hildon-status menu a part of?
May 23 19:49:14 <cityLights> well, its actullay maemo
May 23 19:49:39 <lcuk> cityLights, I once went into the opticians to ask for some fruit
May 23 19:50:01 <lcuk> thankfully they offered me some glasses and I never made that mistake again.
May 23 19:50:09 <lcuk> I am sure there is a lesson somewhere in that.
May 23 19:50:41 <RST38h> lcuk; "Bring enough money and you will get what you want even from the opticians"?
May 23 19:50:48 <lcuk> true
May 23 19:53:15 <cityLights> streaming from meego conf is bad
May 23 19:53:19 <dm8tbr> RST38h: they'll just convince you that you wanted the platin rims with svarovski crystals for your glases in the first place
May 23 19:53:30 <cityLights> hardly can see any moviing pictures
May 23 19:56:24 <lcukn900> dm8 yeah but they are cool glasses
May 23 20:03:21 <lcuk> Question: Name an app which works happily across all MeeGo UXes?
May 23 20:03:56 <DocScrutinizer> ummm, echo "hello world"?
May 23 20:04:51 <cityLights> ha ha
May 23 20:04:53 <lcuk> Question: Which app is must have on your MeeGo device?
May 23 20:05:55 <mihero> terminal
May 23 20:06:07 <lcuk> mihero, why
May 23 20:06:10 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not going to answer this, as later on somebody will call me out on it and tell me "you got XY, so shut up now and be happy"
May 23 20:06:13 <lcuk> and you are not the first person to suggest
May 23 20:06:27 <lcuk> no DocScrutinizer I am asking because it is sensible to do so
May 23 20:06:55 <lcuk> I asked similar questions around Qt-labs the other day
May 23 20:07:06 <lcuk> and terminal was one of those answered
May 23 20:07:23 <DocScrutinizer> xterm, obviously
May 23 20:07:44 <DocScrutinizer> incl proper bash and all unix tools
May 23 20:08:08 <DocScrutinizer> plus sth like zenity
May 23 20:08:11 <ahkok> someone give me a touch-enabled terminal
May 23 20:08:11 <lcuk> Question: What is your regular day to day handset?  N900Maemo/Android/Iphone etc
May 23 20:08:24 <lcuk> ahkok, what does that mean?
May 23 20:09:10 <ahkok> something that allows me to type using sype e.g. to work in a shell/xterm/...
May 23 20:09:17 <lcuk> ahkok, I can click and tap on my n900 in terminal
May 23 20:09:28 <lcuk> right, that is not the terminal though, that is the input method
May 23 20:09:29 <ahkok> tablet doesn't have something like that yet
May 23 20:09:30 <lcuk> surely?
May 23 20:09:51 <ahkok> they packaged xterm on the system but that isn't enabled for touch input
May 23 20:10:18 <ahkok> ./petpeeve
May 23 20:10:31 <lcuk> just hold on
May 23 20:10:37 <lcuk> i have n900-de tablet edition here
May 23 20:10:39 <akk> yeah, that was discussed on the ML recently
May 23 20:10:43 <lcuk> just opening terminal
May 23 20:10:58 <ahkok> lcuk, cool
May 23 20:11:36 <lcuk> using my finger/stylus I can make selections
May 23 20:11:48 <lcuk> dunno how to copy/paste though
May 23 20:12:15 <ahkok> if you can't type `rm -rf *` ... ;)
May 23 20:12:19 <lcuk> mind you, I cannot copy/paste on my desktop teminal either
May 23 20:12:24 <akk> If you could middlemouse, that would probably paste.
May 23 20:12:26 <lcuk> without right click context menu
May 23 20:12:46 * lcuk tries to ctrl-c things
May 23 20:12:50 <ahkok> lol
May 23 20:12:52 <lcuk> and it just stops commands
May 23 20:12:57 <lcuk> very frustrating
May 23 20:13:17 <akk> lcuk: middlemouse paste
May 23 20:13:34 <akk> though it might also have something like shift-insert
May 23 20:32:32 <CosmoHill> lcuk: Added the VIA processor to the list and made some changes to the style: http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors
May 23 20:33:53 <lcuk> CosmoHill, you are bloody amazing.
May 23 20:33:59 <lcuk> :)
May 23 20:34:12 <lcuk> I thought there were various ARM processors for different devices?
May 23 20:34:12 <CosmoHill> yay
May 23 20:34:25 <lcuk> the Beagleboards, the PandaBoards, the n900
May 23 20:34:31 <lcuk> what is Tegra running?
May 23 20:34:31 <CosmoHill> well nobody has added any to the list or told me
May 23 20:34:40 <lcuk> well now best time to poke people
May 23 20:34:47 <lcuk> GMA500 is graphics chipset isn't it?
May 23 20:34:52 <CosmoHill> correct
May 23 20:34:56 <lcuk> lardman, what chip is in your partially working tab?
May 23 20:35:19 <lardman> hummingbird
May 23 20:35:21 <CosmoHill> I don't know if the graphics should be on the same page or at the bottom
May 23 20:35:43 <CosmoHill> also I swear some devices have intel core in them
May 23 20:35:57 <CosmoHill> apart from the VIA processor they're all based on SSSE3 support stated on wikipedia
May 23 20:37:34 <lardman> lcuk: Samsung are releasing a new incarnation of the dreaded Android, with a newer kernel which should sort out the xinput2 issues, I hope
May 23 20:37:50 <lcuk> lardman, what is a hummingbird?
May 23 20:37:54 <lcuk> is it ARM based?
May 23 20:37:56 <lcuk> or x86?
May 23 20:37:56 <lardman> at least I've been to busy to start doing any porting work myself, otherwise I'd be annoyed
May 23 20:37:59 <lardman> arm
May 23 20:38:06 <lardman> hang on let me find a linky
May 23 20:38:10 <lcuk> CosmoHill, yeah I don't know either
May 23 20:38:14 <lcuk> just saying
May 23 20:38:56 <lardman> it's a cortex A8 with an SGX 540 graphics core plus some other graphic accel stuff
May 23 20:39:07 <lardman> 1GHz
May 23 20:39:18 <lcuk> CosmoHill, ^^
May 23 20:39:23 <lcuk> that is in partial working state
May 23 20:39:34 <lcuk> needs a tickbox in the "needs TLC" column
May 23 20:39:50 <CosmoHill> I'll add cortex A8 as partial
May 23 20:39:51 <lardman> it works fine, just touch doesn't work because I've not had any time to do anyghint with it
May 23 20:39:56 <lcuk> "Computing in the corner of your eye"
May 23 20:40:37 <lardman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummingbird_Processor
May 23 20:40:41 <lcuk> lardman, I told you about the sketches I collected together, I found all the ones from jake, I have every smiley face he has ever drawn :)
May 23 20:40:48 <CosmoHill> added, anything else?
May 23 20:40:50 <lardman> :)
May 23 20:41:31 <lcuk> sketch ~50 out of >6000
May 23 21:03:16 <CosmoHill> interesting, Linus has been talking about ending the 2.6 line and starting 2.8 or 3.0
May 23 21:04:03 <CosmoHill> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQ3NQ
May 23 21:43:47 <jrayhawk> They'll probably be getting rid of the last vestiges of the BKL pretty soon, so 3.0 would make sense.
May 23 21:45:04 <jrayhawk> considering BKL/SMP was the reason we moved to 2.0
May 23 21:53:20 <CosmoHill> auke: meego uses systemD right?
May 23 22:31:50 * jykae watching live meegoconf
May 23 22:40:28 <javispedro> "I remember hearing somewhere that Linus said if he ever changed the first number, it meant he had snapped and rewritten it in Python."
May 23 22:41:12 <CosmoHill> rofl
May 23 22:41:27 <ahkok> vala, haskell, perl, brainf...
May 23 22:41:43 <javispedro> sounds like my resume already
May 23 22:41:50 <ahkok> hmm, I should finish my slides for tomorrow
May 23 22:41:56 <ahkok> XD
May 23 22:58:57 <TomnyrKray> Justin Bieber is the newest singing sensation in the Americas. Music industry big wigs have compared him to Michael Jackson for his soulful singing and Elvis Presley for his looks and moves.Born in Stratford, Ontario in Canada on March 1, 1994, Justin Drew Bieber has quickly become the teenage heart throb for 2009. Before he was famous, Justin Bieber enjoyed playing sports - especially hockey because he's from Canada.His par
May 23 22:58:59 <TomnyrKray> ents were young when they had him, and broke up when he was a young child. Many of Justin Bieber's friends growing up didn't even know he could sing - he didn't exactly advertise it.Justin used to sit outside a theatre in Stratford Ontario, famous for the Shakespeare Festival, and play the guitar and sing for crowds that would gather.He always had either one of his grandparents or mom with him as he was too young to hang out
May 23 22:59:01 <TomnyrKray>  there alone.Bieber had many videos of himself singing at various venues on youtube - his mom videotaped all his performances along the way. When people would call and
May 23 22:59:15 <TomnyrKray> ask about managing his career, his mom was reluctant because of the horror stories everyone hears about young stars.Justin was discovered singing on youtube.com by his agent, who quickly arranged for him to fly to Georgia to meet with Usher. Just a short time later, theyoung star, who has two top tens on youtube, signed with Island Records.Bieber not only does vocals, but also plays the keyboards, piano, guitar, drums and ev
May 23 22:59:17 <TomnyrKray> en the trumpet. Even more amazingly, he is self-taught - a true born talent. His first single, "One Time" reached 12 on the Canadian billboards and is rising on the Billboard Top 100. He is currently doing a radio tour to promote both his single and his debut album scheduled to be released in November 2009.Justin presented an award to Taylor Swift at the MTV Video Music Awards in 2009. He will also accompany Swift on two of
May 23 22:59:19 <TomnyrKray> her UK tours to promote Bieber's music. He starred on MuchMusic in Canada on numerous occasions and in October of 2009, he performed several songs on the Today Show fo
May 23 22:59:35 <TomnyrKray> ra U.S. audience.Justin is extremely popular with tweens and teenage girls due to his enormous talent and boyish good looks. If his debut single is any indication of his future, his album will almost certainly be very successful. Bieber is also expected to star on True Jackson, VP later in 2009.Update: Justin's overseas concert was just canceled (April 2010) as a rumor said he'd arrived early, which caused young girls at the
May 23 22:59:37 <TomnyrKray>  concert to become crazed and start pushing. Several girls were sent to the hospital, although most just hyperventilated. One girl had a leg or ankle injury as a result of the mob over Bieber.It took a long time for him to get where he is today, and he worked just as hard, if not harder, than all of the other celebrities to get where he is now. And as Justin said "My world got very big, very fast, and based on some sad examp
May 23 22:59:39 <TomnyrKray> les from the past, a lot of people expect me to get lost in it." but he is not. Justin continues to come up with new ideas to turn into songs that drive his fansthe qu
May 23 22:59:55 <TomnyrKray> estion he gets asked the most is, �how did you get where you are now, and how do you stay grounded?�His mom was very young when she had him and his parents (Pattie Mallette and Jeremy Bieber) broke up when he was ten months old. Because his mom was always working very hard to make a living for Justin and her, Justin would spend a lot of time at his grandparent�s house. Justin went to elemetary school at Jeanne Sauv�
May 23 22:59:57 <TomnyrKray> Catholic School, and learned to speak both French and English because his school was a French intermission school, and he played on a hocky team with English speaking teammates. Growing up in Canada, his two best friends were, and still are, Chaz Somers and Ryan Butler.Justin�s interest in music started at a very young age. He started to teach himself how to play the drums at age six, ( not that he was any good, yet) and w
May 23 22:59:59 <TomnyrKray> ould bang on anything he could find: school desks, tables, or pots and pans. That was also when he started to play the piano and guitar. Pretty soon all his "noise" started to s
May 23 23:00:13 <TomnyrKray> oundlike something. The summer after he turned six his mom finally gave in and got him a drum set of his own. And, even though he was to scared to admit it at school, music was always in his heart.Things really got started for Justin in eighth grade. That was when his mom got a call from the school district. They said that they had gotten a phone call from someone trying to contact Justin and his mom. this "someone was "Scoo
May 23 23:00:16 <TomnyrKray> ter" (Scott) Braun. They gave Justins mom Scooter�s number. Pattie didn�t call back, but eventually Scooter found them. Scooter was intrested in helping Justin get heard, after seeing a couple of his YouTube videos. Scooter won Pattie over, and Justin and his mom boarded their verry first plain to Atlanta, Georgain the US in 2007. That was when Scooter tried to hook Justin up with Usher. The first time Justin saw him he
May 23 23:00:17 <TomnyrKray> ran up and got all ecited. "Hey, Usher! Hey, man! Oh, man, i love you! Can i sing for you?" Usher was in a hurry and said nicely hedidn�t have the time, (but on the inside
May 23 23:00:33 <TomnyrKray>  he was probably like, �Wow, man who is this kid, and why is he acting so weird?�) Usher and Justin didn�t see eachother untill a year later. That was when he finally got to sing for him. Usher thoJustin set up a Twitter acount, and tweeted his few fans he had at that time to keep them updated. he continued to post YouTube vidios, that just keept getting bigger, thanks to Scotter and Usher. He starsed going and perform
May 23 23:00:36 <TomnyrKray> ing at small events, and when he went, each time, more and more girls would appeare to cheer him on. Justin just didn�t "get famous" out of the blue. He was there, trying his hardest, even years before we knew he exsisted. but his fans are the real reson he is where he is now. that and his will to keep going. no matterhow hard it was, or how long it was untill he felt he was going someplace, he stayed strong. He didn�t g
May 23 23:00:38 <TomnyrKray> ive up. NEVER SAY NEVER.But where is justin now? He still lives in antlanta georga. He has written lots of songs, and has two C.Ds.( My World and My World 2.0) He is curently da
May 23 23:00:54 <TomnyrKray> ting Selena Gomez, star of disney channals Wizards of Waverly Place, and famous singer. (this is upseting lots of fans) He writen a book about hs life, First Step 2 Forever. He has a movie also, Never Say Never. And who knows what he'll do next?If Justin did it, why cant we? Justin shows us thst even a boy like him, from a small town in Canada, can pursue his dreams if he has the courage. It wasent easy, but he did it. This
May 23 23:00:56 <TomnyrKray> is how he got where he is today. This is how he stayed strong. It started with only one thing. Just one small thing that kept him going. A dream.Justin Bieber is the newest singing sensation in the Americas. Music industry big wigs have compared him to Michael Jackson for his soulful singing and Elvis Presley for his looks and moves.Justin Bieber is the newest singing sensation in the Americas. Music industry big wigs have c
May 23 23:00:58 <TomnyrKray> ompared him to Michael Jackson for his soulful singing and Elvis Presley for his looks and moves.Born in Stratford, Ontario in Canada on March 1, 1994, Justin Drew Bie
May 23 23:01:27 <ahkok> sigh
May 23 23:02:03 <Ronksu> ah, good to have someone with ops awake.
May 23 23:02:18 <psycho_oreos> I was about to ping all the ops in the channel
May 23 23:02:34 * CosmoHill would like to point out that if he was op that dude would have been banned 3 times by now
May 23 23:02:53 <MohammadAG> we're all in #meegoconf :P
May 23 23:03:00 <ahkok> CosmoHill, just ping me ;)
May 23 23:03:16 <CosmoHill> I'd rather just ban him
May 23 23:03:31 <psycho_oreos> +q ftw ;)
May 23 23:22:50 <Myrtti> JUSTIIIINNNNNN BIEBBBERRRR
May 23 23:22:54 <Myrtti> *ahem*
May 23 23:23:16 <jykae> hahaa, chicken wranglers is brilliant
May 23 23:50:38 <niala1> hello meego
May 23 23:54:29 <ahkok> fark
May 23 23:54:31 <ahkok> Qt: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
May 23 23:54:31 <ahkok> loaded the Generic plugin
May 23 23:54:31 <ahkok> Loaded the MeeGo sensor plugin
May 23 23:54:31 <ahkok> ERROR: "Could not get owner of name 'com.nokia.SensorService': no such name"
May 23 23:54:31 <ahkok> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
May 23 23:54:41 <ahkok> Qt breaking chromium in trunk :(
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May 24 06:04:39 <karname> Hello , I flashed my n900 with meego i eMMC mode , but when I powered on my cell , after seeing some command line , screen gone to black . also flasher can't detect my phone now ! how can I fix these problem ?
May 24 06:06:35 <ahkok> karname, please ask in #meego-arm
May 24 06:07:26 <guest> hihi ... i need some help with connman ... how principle dhcp should work with connman? I read since 0.55 it should have its one client and doesnt need dhclient or the one from busybox?
May 24 06:16:55 <ahkok> connman uses it's own builtin version of dhclient
May 24 06:17:12 <karname> ahkok : there isn't any help to me !
May 24 06:17:13 <ahkok> connman has always worked with dhcp from the start
May 24 06:17:41 <ahkok> karname, unlikely you will get help here then either... the n900 folks are more active there
May 24 06:18:02 <karname> ahkok : means I should put my cell to trash !!!
May 24 06:18:36 <ahkok> karname: I didn't say that.
May 24 06:18:56 <karname> when cell can't boot and can't flash , how can it work !
May 24 06:19:25 <ahkok> ask in #meego-arm, and wait for an answer
May 24 06:19:38 <ahkok> you may have to wait a few hours for a reply
May 24 06:23:29 <guest> hmm but i currently have the problem that i didn't get an ip ... is there some config file were i have to enable dhcp?
May 24 06:43:05 <idontsleep> san francisco meego conference
May 24 06:43:16 <idontsleep> anybody went?
May 24 07:10:40 <maggie>  HI I m running meego IVI-1.1. on intel atom board, everythn works fine except the initial boot screen I get a black screen saying boot instead of the meego boot menu.. can someone help
May 24 07:22:17 <maggie> I cant see the boot splash screen while running meego on my intel atom hardware , however after selecting linux0 manually by typing i can boot it file, can some one help on how to get boot splash screen
May 24 07:24:29 <Termana> morning
May 24 07:36:28 <tomeu> maggie: something wrong in /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
May 24 07:37:30 <maggie> tomeu:  am using the kickstart file given at meego repo., will moidying the ks file help me?
May 24 07:38:13 <tomeu> I'm not sure, depends on how  /boot/grub/menu.lst gets created, it could come in a rpm, or could be generated at that point (in the .ks)
May 24 07:39:52 <tomeu> I'm not 100% sure meego images usually use grub, btw
May 24 07:42:31 <maggie> my boot grub contains just sppalsh.xpm.gz no mebu list
May 24 07:43:06 <tomeu> hold on, I'm booting my meego device
May 24 07:44:47 <tomeu> seems to be /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf
May 24 07:44:59 <maggie> let me check
May 24 07:46:46 <tomeu> I would grep the mic-image-creator sources for "extlinux"
May 24 07:46:50 <tomeu> and read the code
May 24 07:47:23 <tomeu> google found this:
May 24 07:47:25 <tomeu> http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/image-creator/blobs/1fc62bd6e67235eebddeff3e031bdf2c57bb62e8/mic/appcreate/appliance.py#line210
May 24 07:47:34 <tomeu> but I don't know if that corresponds with what you are running
May 24 07:50:43 <maggie> seems it should opy slash.jpg in /boot/extlinux which it is not
May 24 08:01:24 <maggie> tomeu can u tell me if the file syslinux-vesa-splash.jpg is present on ur system?
May 24 08:04:04 <tomeu> maggie: not in /boot
May 24 08:04:30 <tomeu> maggie: keep reading that link, below it creates extlinux.conf
May 24 08:04:31 <maggie> I mean on the system on which u create the image
May 24 08:04:42 <tomeu> ah, I'm not creating any images, sorry
May 24 08:05:15 <tomeu> just have some past experience from fedora's kickstart, on which mic seems to be based
May 24 08:05:57 <maggie> k thanks
May 24 08:55:53 <chem|st> ~seen andre_
May 24 08:55:54 <infobot> andre_ <~andre@p5B073325.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 21d 8h 26m 47s ago, saying: 'but cant find in sequeeze'.
May 24 08:56:16 <chem|st> ~seen andre
May 24 08:56:16 <infobot> andre <~andre@berlin-gw.trolltech.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 47d 16h 5m 12s ago, saying: 'thiago: am I the only one associating "breakthrough device" with "crowbar"?'.
May 24 10:31:21 <mece> Where is part 2 of the "Keynote: Jim Zemlin, The Future of MeeGo Starts Now"?
May 24 10:37:58 <chem|st> mece: where are all the other recordings?!
May 24 10:38:36 <chem|st> mece: it is a shame to not have all sessions recorded
May 24 10:39:12 <chem|st> community is again who has time and can afford the meeting!
May 24 10:40:18 <mece> chem|st, perhaps they will appear later.
May 24 10:40:54 <mece> chem|st, Zemlin seems like a pretty cool guy btw :)
May 24 10:41:12 <chem|st> no they do not even appear on the livestream schedule
May 24 10:41:43 <chem|st> he is, one of the best choices ever made for a TLF CEO
May 24 10:42:25 <toninikk1nen> yesterday people in twitter were whining that he gives boring speeches :)
May 24 10:42:26 <chem|st> and he speaks properly without many "ehms,ehrms"
May 24 10:43:19 <chem|st> toninikk1nen: people not interessted in the backend of anything find it boring for sure
May 24 10:50:19 <bkalinga> where can see Meego SDK documentation
May 24 10:53:41 <eg81> http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.2 ?
May 24 10:56:13 <bkalinga> nothing comes with the sdk 1.2 to the local machine
May 24 10:56:59 <bkalinga> let say i want see MImEngineWordsInterface class declaration and its usage
May 24 10:57:08 <bkalinga> where is the best place to look at
May 24 11:39:58 <obcecado> hello, anyone else having issues running meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img on a vm ?
May 24 11:40:16 <obcecado> running on xen @ fedora core 15
May 24 12:11:22 <lcuk> obcecado, just ask your question
May 24 12:11:51 <obcecado> i get the grup bootsplash
May 24 12:12:05 <obcecado> but, i cant liveboot or install
May 24 12:13:26 <lcuk> obcecado, it may be related to the graphics card exposed to your vm?
May 24 12:13:32 * lcuk is not sure though
May 24 12:13:44 <lcuk> and potentially the cpu too
May 24 12:14:11 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors
May 24 12:14:35 <obcecado> i tried c2d
May 24 12:14:39 <obcecado> and atom emulation
May 24 12:14:52 <obcecado> let me set a different graphics card
May 24 12:15:07 <lcuk> have you tried something like, putting it onto a usb stick and booting on that machine natively
May 24 12:15:18 <lcuk> (you can boot/run without installing)
May 24 12:15:44 <obcecado> the reason im trying it inside a VM, is because i dont have any usb media around
May 24 12:16:46 <lcuk> ok was just suggesting
May 24 12:17:09 * lcuk has numerous usb sticks around
May 24 12:17:18 <lcuk> the best conference one is on my car keys
May 24 12:17:20 <obcecado> also tried following this hints: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox
May 24 12:17:23 <lcuk> meego one :D
May 24 12:17:50 <obcecado> i really want to try it out, so i decide wheter to install it on my n900
May 24 12:18:26 <lcuk> different kettle of fish
May 24 12:18:43 <lcuk> netbook ux is not the same as handset ux is not the same as tablet ux
May 24 12:18:51 <obcecado> the system architecture cant differ that much
May 24 12:18:59 <lcuk> if you have a 4gb+ MicroSD, it is the simplest way to use on your n900
May 24 12:19:10 <lcuk> and that is complementary to Maemo at this point
May 24 12:19:31 <lcuk> ie once you reboot from meego and boot backup, maemo is there
May 24 12:19:44 <lcuk> obcecado, the User Experience (UX) can
May 24 12:21:32 <obcecado> i guess i'll wait till systemd is enabled on meego, so i try it out
May 24 12:39:32 <lcuk> yoyoyo, does anybody know where VNC viewer for meego might be located?
May 24 12:39:44 * lcuk thinks he saw it on one obs repository but has slept since
May 24 12:43:12 <lcuk> ahh tigervnc
May 24 13:07:20 <bkalinga> http://pastebin.com/tgTnm3ZH
May 24 13:07:52 <bkalinga> error while using gdb with a unit test application that uses serviceframework
May 24 13:08:20 <bkalinga> i can see qDebug output for a function but gdb is not breaking there
May 24 13:10:14 <thiago> looks like gdb is broken
May 24 13:13:15 <tomeu> setting the breakpoint by specifying the file and line number doesn't work either?
May 24 15:03:00 <siddvicious> cannot install meego sdk
May 24 15:03:58 <siddvicious> any help >> http://pastebin.kde.org/74125/
May 24 15:04:48 <eg81> siddvicious: are you using ubuntu 11.04 ?
May 24 15:04:59 <siddvicious> fedora 15
May 24 15:06:11 <eg81> sorry but only Fedora 13, 14 are supported
May 24 15:06:24 <siddvicious> oops
May 24 15:06:30 <siddvicious> and opensuse 11.4 ?
May 24 15:07:59 <eg81> bug 17696
May 24 15:08:02 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17696 nor, Medium, 1.3, xu.u.zhang, ASSI, Build of SDK Host tools fails for openSUSE 11.4
May 24 15:10:43 <eg81> siddvicious: check http://developer.meego.com/meego-sdk/release-notes/meego-1.2-sdk-release-notes, here's a list what hosts are supported
May 24 15:11:06 <siddvicious> eg81: thnx a lot :)
May 24 15:12:34 * CosmoHill is downloading fedora 15 atm
May 24 15:24:37 <slaine> CosmoHill: it runs really well on my Mini 9
May 24 15:29:04 <CosmoHill> I dowloaded to uni at 18MB/s
May 24 15:29:14 <CosmoHill> now need to get it from uni to my laptop
May 24 15:29:22 <CosmoHill> I also go meego to try on my new desktop :D
May 24 15:30:53 <slaine> Does anyone know if buttons on the LCD panel from the Ideapad from dubconf can be activated ?
May 24 15:31:29 <slaine> There's 3 buttons on the left of the screen, one is the volume mute button
May 24 15:31:48 <slaine> the other two look like rotate button and a touchscreen button
May 24 15:31:51 <Greatgib> slaine: the mute button works without problem
May 24 15:32:02 <slaine> Greatgib: Yeah, I'm interested in the other two though
May 24 15:32:09 <slaine> xev doesnt's how any key events
May 24 15:32:23 <Greatgib> slaine: for the other two, they are not yet supported, but someone started to study the acpi to find how to use it
May 24 15:32:31 <Greatgib> slaine: they are not normal key
May 24 15:32:39 <slaine> nod
May 24 15:35:15 <Greatgib> slaine: but i'm sorry , i don't find anymore the webpage of the people that try to use it :s
May 24 15:35:28 <slaine> thanks anyway
May 24 15:35:41 <Greatgib> maybe I could find it tonight in my computer at home :) in that case, i will ping you here tomorrow :)
May 24 15:36:02 <slaine> cheers, I'll have a google in a moment and see if I can spot anything
May 24 15:50:35 <lcuk> running the tablet UX on n900-de, should the panels wrap around?
May 24 16:00:02 <slaine> lcuk: I don't think so
May 24 16:00:24 <slaine> I tried it a few mins ago on the ideapad and when you scroll right far enough it stops and you've to scroll back
May 24 16:01:42 <lcuk> slaine, yeah
May 24 16:01:47 <lcuk> that was my ponderment
May 24 16:02:04 <lcuk> whether or how would it be feasible to actually make them wrap
May 24 16:02:16 <timoph> o/
May 24 16:02:25 <lcuk> \o
May 24 16:02:31 <slaine> that would make it a carousel though, not sure it makes sense.
May 24 16:02:37 <lcuk> just submitted bug 18078
May 24 16:02:39 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18078 nor, Undecided, ---, james.ausmus, RESO DUPLICATE, [N900 DE Tablet] Clock on Panels View is positioned offscreen
May 24 16:02:57 <lcuk> slaine, just raising the question really
May 24 16:03:01 <lcuk> conversation etc
May 24 16:03:02 <slaine> nod
May 24 16:03:34 <lcuk> that was fast
May 24 16:04:14 <lcuk> lots of dupes of that
May 24 16:04:18 * lcuk searched too
May 24 16:04:31 <lcuk> timoph, on the ITP page
May 24 16:04:36 <lcuk> I added link to your repo
May 24 16:04:43 <timoph> ok
May 24 16:05:00 <lcuk> but I cannot remember how to do the "zypper ar ..." bit properly
May 24 16:05:14 <lcuk> ahh no wonder
May 24 16:05:15 <timoph> ar url name
May 24 16:05:19 <lcuk> I missed the repo name
May 24 16:05:23 <lcuk> yeah
May 24 16:05:41 <ar> timoph: ?
May 24 16:05:51 <lcuk> lol
May 24 16:05:51 <ar> timoph: why are you highlighting me?
May 24 16:05:54 <timoph> ar: :D
May 24 16:06:06 <lcuk> ar, "zypper ar url name"  add repo command
May 24 16:06:06 <timoph> ar: was referencing zypper ar :)
May 24 16:06:17 <ar> lol
May 24 16:07:56 * timoph is listening lbt talking about vendor tools
May 24 16:18:18 <Vertigo_> So,
May 24 16:18:31 <Vertigo_> Is it worth it to install Meego on my N900?
May 24 16:34:17 <lcuk> ooh bug 18081
May 24 16:34:20 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18081 nor, Undecided, ---, connie.berardi, NEW, [DE] Cannot "Add a contact"
May 24 16:37:50 <iekku> hello
May 24 16:37:58 <CosmoHill> it boots \o/
May 24 16:37:59 <SpeedEvil> hello
May 24 16:38:38 <CosmoHill> I've been in this chatroom for over a year and this is the first time I've been able to boot MeeGo :D
May 24 16:38:44 <berndhs> i'm gonna make an ebook reader, i dont like the other ones
May 24 16:39:14 <berndhs> for desktop and tablet
May 24 16:39:23 * SpeedEvil hugs fbreader.
May 24 16:39:25 <SpeedEvil> (mostly)
May 24 16:39:30 <berndhs> people who say they read books on their phones are liars :)
May 24 16:39:38 <iekku> CosmoHill, what?
May 24 16:39:47 <SpeedEvil> berndhs: I can give you a list of books I've read on my phone.
May 24 16:39:52 <SpeedEvil> It's probably about 150 long.
May 24 16:39:56 <lcuk> berndhs, I have spent many an hour reading digitally
May 24 16:40:03 <CosmoHill> iekku: I got a new motherboard today with an Intel 4500 graphics card that works with meego
May 24 16:40:10 * lcuk even wrote own book reader :P
May 24 16:40:11 <SpeedEvil> 184 meg.
May 24 16:40:11 <CosmoHill> this is the first meego compatable computer I've had
May 24 16:40:16 <berndhs> yeah but on a phone? I need more than that much page space
May 24 16:40:24 <SpeedEvil> berndhs: For fiction?
May 24 16:40:25 <lcuk> berndhs, my n810 was great
May 24 16:40:29 <lcuk> my n900 too
May 24 16:40:30 <SpeedEvil> That's what the 'next page' is for.
May 24 16:40:37 <SpeedEvil> You don't actually need the page layout.
May 24 16:40:42 * lcuk has kinetics and autoscroll
May 24 16:40:58 <berndhs> layout no, but page content, I look back and forth in the text
May 24 16:41:16 <SpeedEvil> For fiction, it's fine - IME.
May 24 16:41:25 <berndhs> and when it gets boring and simple I read large sections at a time
May 24 16:41:28 <SpeedEvil> I use around 15 lines per page.
May 24 16:41:37 <CosmoHill> my god....the meego intro video is freaking awesome
May 24 16:41:55 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, landscape or portrait?
May 24 16:41:59 <berndhs> perhaps its a different skill, reading with a smaller text window
May 24 16:42:01 <SpeedEvil> landscape
May 24 16:42:11 <lcuk> i cannot book read in landscape
May 24 16:42:13 * SpeedEvil read a _lot_ of text on 80x24
May 24 16:42:17 <lcuk> though I had to for a time on n810
May 24 16:42:18 <jausmus> :)
May 24 16:42:52 <SpeedEvil> Let's just say I googled my usenet post history, and it exceded 50000 by a comfortable margin.
May 24 16:43:04 <berndhs> well, I'll do phone later when I actually have a device :)
May 24 16:44:46 <berndhs> the Qt people say its really easy to just make another UI
May 24 16:47:22 <Venemo_N900> berndhs, what do you mean?
May 24 16:52:16 <berndhs> UI for books, I dont know if that is similar to tablet for ebook-reader
May 24 16:52:42 <berndhs> and currently there is no common API
May 24 16:54:51 <Venemo_N900> mhm
May 24 16:55:40 <akk> API for e.g. reading epub and displaying it as text?
May 24 16:55:59 <berndhs> epub and pdf yes
May 24 16:56:27 <berndhs> but for the rest of it, how to get to displaying the text
May 24 16:56:43 <berndhs> author index, book index, toc, and what not
May 24 16:56:55 <akk> Has fbreader been ported yet?
May 24 16:57:06 <berndhs> the surrounding stuff is probably different for phones and tablets
May 24 16:58:22 <berndhs> akk: someone has an fbreader.spec on build.pub.meego.com
May 24 17:43:31 <TrollMaster> hi
May 24 17:43:35 * TrollMaster wonders what meego is
May 24 17:44:26 <TrollMaster> hrmm...is this thing on?
May 24 17:44:39 <Stskeeps> TrollMaster: www.meego.com
May 24 17:44:48 <TrollMaster> nice site
May 24 17:46:31 <TrollMaster> still don't quite get it
May 24 17:46:58 <Stskeeps> read the description on the page :) it is a platform to build products on
May 24 17:47:09 <TrollMaster> like iOS ?
May 24 17:47:17 <Stskeeps> not a platform
May 24 17:47:24 <TrollMaster> like .net ?
May 24 17:47:29 <Stskeeps> sortof
May 24 17:47:44 <Stskeeps> so, are you here to troll?
May 24 17:47:48 <lcuk> iOS is a platform
May 24 17:47:50 <TrollMaster> huh ?
May 24 17:47:54 <TrollMaster> like linux ?
May 24 17:48:03 <TrollMaster> but for small things, like a TV ?
May 24 17:48:12 <Stskeeps> for all sorts of things
May 24 17:48:24 <TrollMaster> maybe my can opener ?
May 24 17:48:25 <lcuk> TrollMaster, MeeGo is a focued Linux distro aimed at various use cases
May 24 17:48:34 <lcuk> focused
May 24 17:48:39 <TrollMaster> ok gotcha
May 24 17:48:50 <TrollMaster> but would it work on, say a calculator ?
May 24 17:48:59 <TrollMaster> or more like a 2015 Ford ?
May 24 17:49:00 <CosmoHill> lcuk: MeeGo 1.2 works on my new desktop
May 24 17:49:10 <lcuk> CosmoHill, sure thing
May 24 17:49:23 <lcuk> TrollMaster, what cpu does your calculator have?
May 24 17:49:25 <TrollMaster> CosmoHill: Have you run it on an iPad ?
May 24 17:50:04 <TrollMaster> or iPhone ?
May 24 17:50:38 <Stskeeps> TrollMaster: i believe you are trolling, please leave
May 24 17:50:38 * TrollMaster is this thing on?
May 24 17:50:55 <TrollMaster> Stskeeps: huh ?
May 24 17:54:54 * CosmoHill wonders why he wasn't banned 10 mins ago
May 24 17:56:31 <lcuk> I would ask why we don't have people putting meego on ipad/iphone etc
May 24 17:57:05 <GAN900> lcuk, because who the hell would want that?
May 24 17:57:18 <lcuk> GAN900, the same folks who put linux on it
May 24 17:57:35 <GAN900> lcuk, that was the iPhone 3G.
May 24 17:57:38 <lcuk> there is a linux toaster ux
May 24 17:57:48 <lcuk> GAN900, so where is meego on the iphone 3g?
May 24 17:57:58 <lcuk> has anyone tried?
May 24 17:58:11 * lcuk does not have an iphone to play with
May 24 17:58:14 <GAN900> Who cares? It's years out of date?
May 24 17:58:15 <lcuk> but I could get one I suppose
May 24 17:58:22 <GAN900> Do you want MeeGo on your N800?
May 24 17:58:41 <lcuk> GAN900, Stskeeps is building MeeGo on his dads computer for the n8x0 right now
May 24 17:58:48 <lcuk> so, yeah I would
May 24 17:59:03 <GAN900> Why don't we put MeeGo on something that's actually semi-modern and feasible?
May 24 17:59:04 <lcuk> but the iphone has decent hardware doesn't it?
May 24 17:59:24 <lcuk> GAN900, that is happening isn't it?
May 24 17:59:40 <lcuk> but there are enough people around to hack and put stuff on different devices
May 24 18:01:07 <GAN900> Not for long if we don't get some real devices and some real software.
May 24 18:01:21 * CosmoHill wonders how smug the person who uses MeeGo on an iPad would be
May 24 18:01:37 <GAN900> Not very.
May 24 18:01:39 <zehjotkah> good morning
May 24 18:01:52 <Stskeeps> morn zehjotkah
May 24 18:02:10 <lcuk> CosmoHill, GAN900 I am only interested in seeing like for like
May 24 18:02:16 <lcuk> to get comparable benchmarks
May 24 18:02:29 <Venemo_N900> heh
May 24 18:02:31 <DocScrutinizer> esp not for long if you kickban lurkers that ask rather normal questions
May 24 18:02:33 <lcuk> "Oh, meego manages to do XYZ 2x faster than equivilent ipad software on same hardware
May 24 18:02:45 <Venemo_N900> I would actually buy an N8x0 if it could run MeeGo
May 24 18:03:23 * frals wonders why the guy is yelling about innovation in the architecture talk
May 24 18:04:07 <Stskeeps> frals: we didnt have much in 1.2
May 24 18:04:32 <lcuk> frals, \o
May 24 18:04:57 <frals> lcuk: o/
May 24 18:05:26 <frals> Stskeeps: ye, from what i read the decision was to throw much out instead ;)
May 24 18:06:00 <GAN900> Sort of an odd stage for this discussion.
May 24 18:12:52 <zehjotkah> stskeeps: dneary is talking about you...
May 24 18:13:21 <zehjotkah> irc bot and so on..
May 24 18:13:42 <Stskeeps> zehjotkah: good
May 24 18:47:54 <zehjotkah> anyone knows where Stephan Odörfer or Tore Meyer from 4tiitoo are atm?
May 24 18:57:23 <harbaum_> Is it true that noone is actually presenting any community adaptations like beagle/panda/archos or the like in sfa?
May 24 18:58:40 <dm8tbr> must resists $snarky_compliance_statement
May 24 18:58:53 <harbaum_> Is this because Nokia lost interest and intel also doesn't care for those non-x86 plattforms? Is there a TI booth or so?
May 24 18:59:34 <harbaum_> Ah, all those compliant devices one can buy ...
May 24 18:59:57 <dm8tbr> http://sf2011.meego.com/sponsors - Don't see any silicon vendors on that list
May 24 19:00:02 <dm8tbr> which means no stand
May 24 19:03:12 <dm8tbr> well Nokia introduced ARM into the game, if the 'MeeGo' Nokia device happens in numbers then there might be some minimal further push for ARM in MeeGo
May 24 19:03:37 <dm8tbr> if that does not happen then MeeGo on ARM is dead in the water
May 24 19:04:13 <Venemo_N900> dm8tbr, it is not dead
May 24 19:04:16 <dm8tbr> Intel clearly dominates MeeGo and they have zarro interest in $other_arch
May 24 19:04:17 <harbaum_> Uhm ... there's some Nokia device?
May 24 19:04:36 <RST38h> dead unless there are real products with it
May 24 19:04:43 <dm8tbr> Venemo_N900: notice that I put it in a conditional future tense
May 24 19:04:55 <Venemo_N900> there will be a harmattan device I think
May 24 19:05:07 <Venemo_N900> no actual meego device
May 24 19:05:12 <Venemo_N900> but who knows?
May 24 19:05:31 <dm8tbr> harbaum_: n900 is reference hardware and there is this rumored harmattan device aka Maemo6 with a MeeGo label
May 24 19:05:42 <harbaum_> From outside the summit sounds pretty silent. No excitement, nothing. What's wrong over there?
May 24 19:05:57 <harbaum_> dm8tbr: Yeah, but that's still rumor
May 24 19:06:04 <dm8tbr> correct
May 24 19:06:20 <Venemo_N900> yeah
May 24 19:06:25 <zehjotkah> there will be a dev device from nokia running harmattan
May 24 19:06:30 <zehjotkah> with a keyboard
May 24 19:06:42 <dm8tbr> zehjotkah: where is the official announcement?
May 24 19:06:48 <zehjotkah> and there will be a consumer device around september
May 24 19:06:57 <zehjotkah> without keyboard but with better hardware
May 24 19:07:12 <dm8tbr> links to *.nokia.com or it didn't happen ;)
May 24 19:07:24 <zehjotkah> there is no official announcement^^ believe me or don't believe me,
May 24 19:07:30 <zehjotkah> i don't care^^
May 24 19:07:37 <lcuk> Venemo_N900, an interesting codebase to really see complexity would be the QML rendering flow
May 24 19:07:44 <lcuk> do you know where that is embedded inside
May 24 19:07:50 <harbaum_> Ah, c'mon. How old with this N9/N950 hardware be by then?
May 24 19:07:51 <dm8tbr> zehjotkah: name your source then
May 24 19:08:00 <lcuk> ie, what is the starting point give na QML instance variable
May 24 19:08:04 <lcuk> how does that get onto the screen
May 24 19:08:06 <zehjotkah> why should I?
May 24 19:08:13 <Venemo_N900> lcuk, I've been wondering about that for a while
May 24 19:08:15 <zehjotkah> they would get in trouble^^
May 24 19:08:25 <dm8tbr> zehjotkah: it would lend your rather bold statement some credibility
May 24 19:08:30 * dm8tbr calls BS
May 24 19:08:49 <zehjotkah> i don't care if you believe it or not, as said
May 24 19:09:14 <lcuk> rumour and conjecture to #meego-bar please
May 24 19:09:38 <lcuk> this is a general channel about official meego working and no place to speculate about individual vendors
May 24 19:09:39 <harbaum_> lcuk: So you want to close #meego ?
May 24 19:09:57 <lcuk> certainly not harbaum_
May 24 19:10:18 * lcuk adores the conversation on this channel when it gets started
May 24 19:10:37 <harbaum_> But there's few but rumors to talk about
May 24 19:11:02 <lcuk> who *uses* meego devices (of any kind) now?
May 24 19:11:02 <RST38h> Censoring people conversations is the best way to kill any conversation.
May 24 19:11:12 <RST38h> <crickets>
May 24 19:11:29 <lcuk> RST38h, not censoring, merely putting it where Stskeeps seems to think it belongs
May 24 19:11:31 <lcuk> see /topic
May 24 19:11:39 <harbaum_> lcuk: Noone? I just gave up with the beagle boards and today sold one setup to a friend who runs angstrom on it
May 24 19:11:49 <lcuk> I use my meego ideapad everyday
May 24 19:11:57 <lcuk> as does the other members of my family
May 24 19:12:11 * dm8tbr runs 'mg' images on A5IT and N900
May 24 19:12:18 <zehjotkah> I'm over at #meego-bar if anyone does have questions
May 24 19:12:25 <lcuk> i am heavily testing n900-de
May 24 19:12:32 <lcuk> but my slate runs happily
May 24 19:12:37 <lcuk> for the usecase it is intended
May 24 19:12:51 <lcuk> harbaum_, when I first met you in Helsinki
May 24 19:13:02 <lcuk> the night before I was talking with Vlad
May 24 19:13:09 <lcuk> and even though he spoke Russian
May 24 19:13:18 <lcuk> and we could not understand each other
May 24 19:13:30 <lcuk> I explained the idea of liqbase to him and showed him a big one on the wall
May 24 19:13:42 <lcuk> well, my ideapad has been sat in the corner of my eye now since I got it
May 24 19:13:55 <lcuk> and everyone can see the stuff there :)
May 24 19:13:58 <RST38h> lcuk: How much booze did you have before you started talking? =)
May 24 19:14:04 <harbaum_> :-)
May 24 19:14:08 <lcuk> RST38h, we never used words
May 24 19:14:16 <lcuk> raised a few glasses
May 24 19:14:24 <lcuk> some gestures towards an area on the wall
May 24 19:14:29 * RST38h knew
May 24 19:14:29 <lcuk> more raised glasses etc
May 24 19:17:01 <lcuk> i waited 2 years to get a device capable of running it after seeing a prototype for a couple of days, so damn expensive :|
May 24 19:18:03 <lcuk> anyway, bbl
May 24 19:21:20 <timakima> any ops around? someones flooding #meego-fi
May 24 19:24:09 <dm8tbr> timakima: involve staff
May 24 19:24:15 <dm8tbr> timakima: #freenode
May 24 19:25:42 <timakima> thanks, looks like he just left after 10 minutes of spamming. but i'll ask the staff next time he comes back
May 24 20:00:46 <blauzahl> how is one supposed to be able to copy something off a usbstick on a meego device?
May 24 20:04:54 * blauzahl redownloads it instead :P
May 24 21:20:33 <zehjotkah> hi
May 24 21:22:07 <mikhas> wrong channel, you are at the conference, so it's #meegoconf for you ;-)
May 24 21:28:26 <DongsNbongS> hola
May 24 21:28:43 <DongsNbongS> where's the meego conference back channel
May 24 21:28:45 <DongsNbongS> or is this it?
May 24 21:29:08 <Stskeeps> meegoconf
May 24 21:48:26 <diez> hi, how can i disable airplane mode by console? in which config-file can i change it? wlan isn't working because of that, i think (using meego 1.2 tablet preview) - lspci lists me the realtek wlan adapter correctly
May 24 21:52:34 <akk> diez: See if rfkill is installed ... at least, that can work on desktop linux.
May 24 21:52:55 <akk> rfkill list, and see what it says.
May 24 21:53:50 <akk> (If something is setting airplane mode, using rfkill to turn things back on is only a workaround, though.)
May 24 21:56:05 <diez> rfkill is not installed on meego 1.2 tablet version
May 24 21:56:32 <diez> ok, this program would enable/disable wireless connections, right?
May 24 21:56:38 <akk> Right.
May 24 21:56:43 <diez> if i look it up in man
May 24 21:56:53 <diez> see it in my ubuntu box
May 24 21:57:05 <diez> ok, i'll think it's not the airplane mode
May 24 21:57:10 <diez> ;-)
May 24 21:57:36 <akk> How do you tell you're on airplane mode? I haven't found that in the tablet UX.
May 24 21:58:06 <diez> just interpreted the ui wrong...
May 24 21:58:33 <diez> thought airplane mode on, but this was actually a switch *headagainstthewall*
May 24 21:59:20 <diez> back to scratch one, no wlan found, wlan adapter correctly listed by lspci
May 24 22:06:32 <diez> akk: know what's wrong if no wlan0 device is available?
May 24 22:07:29 <akk> What the hardware? Maybe it's a driver that's not in the standard kernel.
May 24 22:07:58 <diez> realtek RTL8191SEvA
May 24 22:08:54 <akk> Is there a module for it loaded? (if you lsmod)
May 24 22:09:39 <diez> video, joydev, battery...
May 24 22:09:50 <diez> which module should be loaded?
May 24 22:10:17 <akk> A quick google search for realtek 8191 wifi linux makes it look like there aren't drivers in the standard kernel.
May 24 22:11:54 <akk> If you google you'll probably find the name of the driver (probably something with rtl in it, so e.g. lsmod | grep rtl)
May 24 22:12:13 <akk> and it might be you'll have to build a kernel module for it
May 24 22:12:14 <diez> got the driver
May 24 22:12:26 <diez> thanks
May 24 22:26:08 <Umeaboy> Hi!
May 24 22:26:24 <Umeaboy> Do you guys know IF Fujitsu Stylistic Q550-5NO 30GB 3G works good with MeeGo?
May 24 22:26:49 <lcuk> grab a usb image and find out!
May 24 22:35:05 <Umeaboy> lcuk: Well, there wasn't any hits on Google about it so I guess not.
May 24 22:37:12 <akk> It is pretty easy to try with a USB live image.
May 24 22:37:54 <akk> Nothing to lose beyond the half hour downloading and writing it.
May 24 22:43:43 <reed> Umeaboy, you need to define what 'works with meego' means :) what are your expectations?
May 24 22:45:22 <Umeaboy> reed: That it at least boots & that I'm able to use it longer than 1 minute.
May 24 22:46:06 <reed> try it as akk said and let us know
May 24 22:46:47 <Umeaboy> I have to buy the stupid thing first.
May 24 23:03:15 <CosmoHill> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_CSRoA0MkA&feature=related << awesome GUI
May 24 23:09:19 <jykae> CosmoHill: looks like apple
May 24 23:09:34 <jykae> nice ideas
May 24 23:15:56 <javispedro> oooold.
May 25 00:47:13 <lolcat> Anyone here willing to sell me their N9?
May 25 00:48:46 <SpeedEvil> Yes.
May 25 00:48:55 <SpeedEvil> Willing, but unable.
May 25 00:50:02 <iekku> N9?
May 25 00:50:59 <SpeedEvil> I'm also willing to sell unicorns, gryffons, and honest politicians.
May 25 00:51:22 <iekku> SpeedEvil, in finland we have almost one
May 25 00:51:34 <iekku> honest politician
May 25 00:51:52 <berndhs> almost one ? so maybe 0.75 of them ?
May 25 00:52:29 <iekku> he promissed to give his salary to good use if he's selected
May 25 00:52:46 <SpeedEvil> That's a horrid idea.
May 25 00:52:53 <iekku> after selection he gave his salary to hire nursing people
May 25 00:53:02 <berndhs> we had one in Canada who promised that if elected, he would resign
May 25 00:53:14 <SpeedEvil> Politicians actually do have real expenses.
May 25 00:53:40 <lolcat> SpeedEvil: How are you unable? not going to meegoconf=
May 25 00:53:41 <lolcat> ?
May 25 00:53:41 <iekku> he gave his salary, not the expence moneys
May 25 00:53:53 <iekku> lolcat, what are you talking about?
May 25 00:53:57 <SpeedEvil> Claiming that you're better as you won't take the money simply means that you're criticising people who cannot afford to do so.
May 25 00:54:04 <SpeedEvil> lolcat: I have no n9.
May 25 00:54:05 <Myrtti> lolcat: there is no N9 to sell
May 25 00:54:19 <SpeedEvil> I can sell you a phone labelled n9 though.
May 25 00:54:23 <SpeedEvil> It will be a real nokia.
May 25 00:54:41 <merlin1991> SpeedEvil: going to scrape off to 0s?
May 25 00:54:43 <lolcat> I head they give out free N9s at MeeGoConf, but it is to far for me too attend
May 25 00:54:44 <berndhs> I have as manuy N9s as all teh people in China
May 25 00:54:45 <merlin1991> s/to/two/
May 25 00:54:46 <infobot> merlin1991 meant: SpeedEvil: going two scrape off to 0s?
May 25 00:54:55 <Myrtti> lolcat: you've been misinformet
May 25 00:54:57 <Myrtti> -d
May 25 00:55:11 <SpeedEvil> Naah - I can write n9 on my 3310.
May 25 00:55:26 <Myrtti> I have a Sharpie you can use
May 25 00:55:35 <SpeedEvil> Where do you keep your sharpies?
May 25 00:55:42 <lolcat> Myrtti: Are you high up in Nokia?
May 25 00:55:42 <SpeedEvil> I don't want any stained ones.
May 25 00:55:52 <iekku> lolcat, so you heard the people are getting phone that doesn't exist?
May 25 00:56:06 <lolcat> It does exist, it was found in china
May 25 00:56:17 <Myrtti> lolcat: I'm at the conference in which there has been no devices given, apart from the warmup sessions
May 25 00:56:38 <Myrtti> and also: there is no such device until such is published
May 25 00:56:50 <lolcat> Is the confrence rigth now?
May 25 00:56:53 <iekku> Myrtti, true
May 25 00:56:56 <iekku> lolcat, yes
May 25 00:56:57 <Myrtti> yes
May 25 00:57:32 <lolcat> But it is not done yet?
May 25 00:58:09 <iekku> lolcat, there ain't going to be any new devices published in here
May 25 00:58:27 <iekku> so far as i know
May 25 00:58:35 <lolcat> It is a supprise
May 25 00:58:46 <Myrtti> why would it be done as a surprise?
May 25 00:58:50 <iekku> and i think no devices given to perticipants
May 25 00:58:56 <Myrtti> there aren't any keynotes in the schedule
May 25 00:59:06 <lolcat> To stun the wold
May 25 00:59:06 <SpeedEvil> If there was a nokia speaker - then maybe.
May 25 00:59:10 <Myrtti> press aren't going to attend a surprise session at the back of the alley
May 25 00:59:11 <SpeedEvil> Or a LG even.
May 25 00:59:24 <Myrtti> if there is no press, there is not going to be a published device
May 25 00:59:25 <iekku> SpeedEvil, true
May 25 00:59:27 <SpeedEvil> there aren't.
May 25 00:59:57 <SpeedEvil> It was a fairly slim chance that the nissan guy was going to be giving away cars, or the IVI guy TVs.
May 25 01:00:02 <dsample> The only keynotes were yesterday morning (the boring one) and that was it.  There are no more 'all hands' sessions
May 25 01:00:20 <iekku> SpeedEvil, there was BMV also in the video....
May 25 01:00:27 <Myrtti> they are not going to go to the back alley or an afterparty where there is no guarantees that the press is attending to announce a new device
May 25 01:01:03 <lolcat> dsample: Why not?
May 25 01:01:17 <Myrtti> so it is quite easy to make a logical deduction there is not going to be any product announcements
May 25 01:01:27 <iekku> SpeedEvil, i was hoping to go back home and say "honey, look what they give to me, are we keeing the older one also?"
May 25 01:01:34 <Myrtti> lolcat: it's not in the schedule?
May 25 01:01:47 <SpeedEvil> There have been comments about 'meego devices to be announced in the next few days'
May 25 01:02:01 <Myrtti> sure, but Computex is next week
May 25 01:02:03 <SpeedEvil> By people who should know.
May 25 01:02:03 <iekku> SpeedEvil, where?
May 25 01:02:06 <Myrtti> so it could be that
May 25 01:02:09 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
May 25 01:02:16 <lolcat> SpeedEvil: Like me?
May 25 01:02:20 <SpeedEvil> I don't think it's happening at meego conf.
May 25 01:02:30 <SpeedEvil> lolcat: No - you shouldn't know.
May 25 01:02:30 <lolcat> Where? I want one
May 25 01:02:36 <dsample> lolcat: that's just what the program says... everything today and tomorrow are in one of 9 rooms
May 25 01:02:41 <SpeedEvil> Well - look on the schedule.
May 25 01:02:57 <SpeedEvil> What conferences are in the next few days or weeks?
May 25 01:02:58 <lolcat> SpeedEvil: Nokia is sending me confidential emails
May 25 01:03:12 <SpeedEvil> Jesus sends me confidential emails.
May 25 01:03:16 <Myrtti> lolcat: GREAT
May 25 01:03:16 <Myrtti> have a cookie.
May 25 01:04:45 <iekku> i can offer milk with the cookie'
May 25 01:05:02 <lolcat> SpeedEvil: So there will be a N9? When can I get it?
May 25 01:05:20 <SpeedEvil> I have no idea.
May 25 01:05:26 <Myrtti> lolcat: there is no such device until it is published
May 25 01:05:31 <iekku> lolcat, it doesn't read in the mails you receive?
May 25 01:05:38 <lolcat> Myrtti: I have seen images of it
May 25 01:05:50 <lolcat> iekku: That part was somewhat unclear
May 25 01:05:57 <Myrtti> lolcat: and people see Holy Mary in a cheese sandwich
May 25 01:06:05 <Myrtti> it still doesn't mean she exists
May 25 01:06:31 <Myrtti> or justin bieber in a jellybean
May 25 01:06:42 <iekku> i wouldn't be so trusted about some devices found in china until the manufacturer really publish the device
May 25 01:06:44 <lolcat> I saw an image of the pieces of the phone, I've seen a movie  about it, a bunch of spechs on gsmarena
May 25 01:06:48 <Myrtti> what you have seen may be a proto that has since been ditched
May 25 01:06:57 <iekku> and even then i wouldn't be sure it's going to be on sale
May 25 01:06:59 <Myrtti> or it may be a real device
May 25 01:07:13 <Myrtti> the thing just is, it's NOT OFFICIALLY PUBLISHED, AND MAY BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE
May 25 01:07:29 <SpeedEvil> Don't believe in devices unless it's actually arrived in a 'normal' customers hands.
May 25 01:07:43 <Myrtti> and from the signs in the air, there isn't going to be anything published on the conference either
May 25 01:07:44 <lolcat> But I need a phone
May 25 01:07:57 <Myrtti> lolcat: and I need million dollars
May 25 01:08:01 <iekku> lolcat, then go and buy one?
May 25 01:08:12 <SpeedEvil> lolcat: Wait a bit - get a second hand n900, or ...
May 25 01:08:16 <iekku> problem solved, next
May 25 01:08:32 <lolcat> iekku: I want one with meego
May 25 01:08:43 <lolcat> SpeedEvil: Or wait for the N9 announcment in June?
May 25 01:08:49 <SpeedEvil> get n900, put meego-DE on.
May 25 01:08:52 <iekku> lolcat, then the n900
May 25 01:09:11 <iekku> problem solved, next
May 25 01:09:11 <SpeedEvil> Nailing down specific dates is hard.
May 25 01:09:22 <Myrtti> let me get my wizard hat
May 25 01:09:25 <dsample> SpeedEvil: hands off the second-hand N900... I want one first
May 25 01:09:27 <lolcat> Why would I want meego UI when it has Maemo UI? Maemo UI is supperior
May 25 01:10:07 <dsample> SpeedEvil: https://twitter.com/#!/dsample/status/72770021570519040 see... I called dibs
May 25 01:10:16 <SpeedEvil> Solution to if the N9 has no keyboard - http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrathin-bluetooth-slide-out-keyboard-hard-case-for-apple-iphone-4-black-65669
May 25 01:11:25 <lolcat> SpeedEvil: gsmarena says it does
May 25 01:12:08 <Myrtti> lolcat: oh come on, stop it already
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