**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 26 02:59:57 2011 May 26 03:19:40 ot: pandaboard - wow May 26 03:23:09 want :) May 26 04:19:05 morning and good night :D May 26 04:28:24 hi yanshuang May 26 05:03:12 Hi has anybody used can driver for CAN104 PCI card on meego ivi? May 26 07:08:04 hello? May 26 07:09:55 I am newer to Meego-Dev. The Code-Completion not work for QMobility ?? Such as QMediaPlayer May 26 07:13:21 Qt-Creator-code-completion-not-working-with-Qt-Mobility ?? any solution, thx. May 26 09:17:21 Good morning everyone, I was wondering if there were tutorials on how to download, modify and test the meego source code. Or do I download the Linux kernel, apply the patches, and discover on my own? May 26 09:34:56 Michael_Behman, http://developer.meego.com/ May 26 09:35:35 * lcuk thinks everybody is sleeping after conf May 26 10:10:46 lcuk, sleeping? no way! :-P May 26 10:11:16 andre__: he sleeps with his eyes open, be careful May 26 10:30:07 Anyone know of any screen shots of the Calendar app (which is on N900DE)? May 26 10:48:26 ehh, meego netbook isn't supported on the t91mt? :( May 26 10:58:39 do they talk about QML in the appup application labs sessions? I mean, more than a few seconds? May 26 11:03:18 * javispedro is kinda interested in a hands-on qml session May 26 11:13:15 CoreServiceTestGUI: cannot connect to X server 0.0 May 26 11:13:27 echo $DISPLAY 0.0 May 26 11:13:38 in MeeGo 1.2 Netbook SDK May 26 11:14:00 not able to launch a GUI application May 26 11:14:03 any idea May 26 11:14:24 does x run? May 26 11:14:56 or rather, is it running? on that display? May 26 11:15:28 afaik 1.2 runs x on :7 or :9 or something May 26 11:17:05 so how do i check that May 26 11:17:16 i manually export DISPLAY=0.0 May 26 11:17:23 before launching the app May 26 11:17:39 that i used to do in 1.2 handset qemu May 26 11:18:07 ps aux | grep X i think May 26 11:18:32 root 349 0.2 2.1 28128 18924 tty2 Ss+ 11:09 0:01 /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -dpi 120 -nolisten tcp -noreset -auth /home/meego/.Xauthority vt2 May 26 11:18:54 looks right, :0 too May 26 11:19:00 wait May 26 11:19:08 not 0.0, :0.0 May 26 11:19:12 what user are you running the test gui ? May 26 11:19:23 you need the colon May 26 11:19:27 export DISPLAY=:0 May 26 11:20:06 echo $DISPLAY May 26 11:20:06 :0.0 May 26 11:20:13 " manually export DISPLAY=0.0" ahh, yeah, there's your problem May 26 11:20:23 DISPLAY=:0 May 26 11:20:31 what eg81 said May 26 11:20:55 bkalinga: and what user you are using (slaine asked that) May 26 11:20:57 export DISPLAY=:0 May 26 11:21:06 ./CoreServiceTestGUI May 26 11:21:19 you can't be the root user, being the point May 26 11:21:24 still then also no output in my netbook QEMU May 26 11:21:59 whoami meego May 26 11:22:04 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 15228 2011-05-26 14:07 CoreServiceTestGUI May 26 11:22:11 is this OK May 26 11:22:12 can you run any program against he x May 26 11:22:15 the x May 26 11:22:28 DISPLAY=:0 xterm May 26 11:22:30 or whatever May 26 11:23:56 i dont find messaging or fennec in this runtime May 26 11:24:13 which app I can start from command line to test this May 26 11:24:54 I don't use the SDK so I'm not sure May 26 11:25:08 gnome-terminal should be there May 26 11:25:25 i deploy the CoreServiceTestGUI which is in /usr/local/bin May 26 11:25:32 from qtcreator May 26 11:27:47 slaine: After i do that i see a terminal May 26 11:27:58 once i closed that i can see my app also May 26 11:28:04 cool May 26 11:28:24 seems i was frozen and launched in background May 26 11:28:35 sorry not I it was May 26 11:28:46 :) May 26 11:53:07 the Dance mat guy May 26 11:53:18 was talking about exopc and lenovo ideapads May 26 11:53:43 and that the exopc had higher spec, and could run stuff better without framedrop May 26 11:54:32 * lcuk still finds the ideapad extremely overpowered and wondering just what difference upto the exopc there is May 26 11:56:28 I just got back from Jakes school, took my ideapad and showed them progression of his writing and skills and what we do in the house with it to help organise his time and remind him of achievements and stuff :) May 26 11:57:07 i love the ideapad. May 26 11:57:50 doneill, which OS is on it? May 26 11:58:02 debian linux of course May 26 11:58:13 I like it because it stands up on its own and is able to sit at the side of me in the corner of my eye May 26 11:58:20 hi May 26 11:58:24 doneill, did you buy it for that reason? May 26 11:58:37 cool, thats why i like my wife. May 26 11:58:44 can anyone advice me a RTFM to get more codecs working on meego 1.2 ? May 26 11:59:22 nah i got it because a cheap replacement charger for my eee 701 fried it May 26 11:59:30 (I mean, I'm looking forward a "meego way of installing them", if that's just download and compile, I don't need a RTFM...) May 26 11:59:45 and my t91mt arrived broken. i needed a stopgap while it got replaced May 26 12:00:10 my only gripe with the ideapad is that it falls apart with use May 26 12:00:18 haha May 26 12:00:26 I still wonder where I could buy replacement rubber tops.. May 26 12:00:30 javispedro, which bits broke on yours? May 26 12:00:40 rubber tops? May 26 12:00:42 all four small rubber legs May 26 12:01:09 on the underside of the keyboard? May 26 12:01:12 have you guys enabled mulitouch on the different UIs on meego netbook version on the ideapad ? May 26 12:01:14 yep May 26 12:01:27 guyzmo, codecs May 26 12:01:27 (like in chromium) May 26 12:01:35 lcuk: never had to use the phrase, how are those usually called? May 26 12:01:44 afaik the netbook build has more May 26 12:01:50 rubber feet? =) May 26 12:01:52 what UX and hardware are you running? May 26 12:02:06 netbook and ideapad s10-3t May 26 12:02:07 javispedro, there are 2 sets though May 26 12:02:13 RST38h: thanks May 26 12:02:14 those on the screen bezel May 26 12:02:17 and those under the keyboard May 26 12:02:39 how did you pull them off? May 26 12:02:44 lcuk: I've lost both the ones under the battery as well as the ones under the keyboard May 26 12:03:00 lcuk: they just fell. first time I've seen it happen :D May 26 12:03:04 i actually want meego on my t91mt but the installer fails so very hard. May 26 12:32:06 bug 18061 May 26 12:32:09 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18061 nor, Undecided, ---, vivian.zhang, NEW, [DE] Top half of image taken with camera application consists of artefacts May 26 12:48:13 I am looking for access to community OBS , Is there any one who can give me .? My meego login is vnayani May 26 12:49:07 * CosmoHill pokes lbt and X-Fade May 26 12:49:25 am i the only developer who has had no luck getting meego to run in any capacity anywhere? May 26 12:49:33 or is this sorta normal? May 26 12:49:50 hey guys, whereis xorg log file in meego 1.2 for netbooks May 26 12:50:20 it is not in usual place, /var/log/Xorg.log May 26 12:50:29 does anyone know? May 26 12:50:36 vnayani, as CosmoHill said, the main people lbt and X-Fade are around conferencing at the moment and might be a bit delayed May 26 12:50:56 balkan: type "rpm -ql X11 | grep "*.log" " May 26 12:51:19 CosmoHill, listing all files in packages matching X11 ? May 26 12:51:25 lcuk: yep May 26 12:51:26 then grepping to the specific logs? May 26 12:51:28 nice May 26 12:51:30 luck: No issues , Would wait. Any how thx for this. May 26 12:51:31 @CosmoHill no output May 26 12:51:46 of course I don't knwo the name of the package, try Xorg or something May 26 12:52:03 hehe May 26 12:52:30 * lcuk starting to understand ancient elven language :D May 26 12:52:44 @CosmoHill rpm -ql X11 even says package X11 not iinstalled May 26 12:52:51 how come May 26 12:53:04 balkan: probably cos it's called xorg or something else May 26 12:54:10 @ComsoHill alright rpm -aq |grep -i Xorg returns bunch of packages now May 26 12:54:21 do I have to install another package to get the Xorg logs May 26 12:54:27 xorg-server-something, iirc, but -ql won't show any files it creates runtime May 26 12:54:37 balkan: no, you need to find out which one has the logs May 26 12:54:47 jsv: that's a point May 26 12:54:47 * lcuk has borkened laptop May 26 12:54:55 * lcuk replaces laptop with tiled array of n900s May 26 12:54:59 balkan: find /vat/log - name "*org*" May 26 12:55:43 @CosmoHill there are lots of log files exists in /var/log but none for Xorg May 26 12:58:10 it's actually in /tmp/Xorg.0.log for some reason May 26 12:58:24 I never thought to look in /tmp May 26 12:58:32 who would May 26 12:58:39 * slaine obviously did May 26 12:58:43 @slaine oh thanks May 26 12:58:54 makes it kind hard to check to see why your system crashed tho May 26 13:00:02 hi slaine \o May 26 13:00:24 hi lcuk, keeping well I hope May 26 13:00:59 yes actually :) May 26 13:01:40 * lcuk is getting many things sorted slowly but surely May 26 13:01:52 thats great lcuk May 26 13:02:14 * slaine is getting his ass kicked by proprietary touchscreen drivers. May 26 13:03:18 Hey slaine May 26 13:03:32 slaine: just curious, which one? May 26 13:03:34 lcuk: would have been nice to see you. May 26 13:03:49 tomeu: penmount 6000 rs232 May 26 13:03:58 alterego, many opportunities for that May 26 13:04:00 alterego: you back home already ? May 26 13:04:08 And it was really awesome meeting all the guys, even if I felt like a little bit of an outsider, but still, got a lot of good contacts, info and ideas May 26 13:04:11 hoping to find a way to organise manchester meetup at some point May 26 13:04:20 slaine: literally just landed yeah May 26 13:04:22 and Birmingham is growing nicely so might be good middle ground May 26 13:04:28 alterego: welcome come then May 26 13:04:30 London is simple to get to as another alternative May 26 13:04:43 I was talking to MeeGoExperts about b'ham May 26 13:05:03 alterego, I find whenever I travel to conferences my ideas expand May 26 13:05:07 Ah, think I just found the missing piece May 26 13:05:11 Yeah, London is a pretty decent venue I think. May 26 13:05:14 re the penmount May 26 13:05:15 It is a good hub May 26 13:05:29 and in the pauses during travelling (airports train stations trains buses etc) I write those ideas down more May 26 13:05:54 lcuk: yeah, I was talking to the conboy author, said I'd help him port it to Qt May 26 13:05:58 slaine, penmount? May 26 13:06:09 I'm gonna be spending some time porting Qt apps from maemo to meego May 26 13:06:22 lcuk: touchscreen manufacturer May 26 13:06:33 slaine, actual pen driven large format? May 26 13:06:44 * lcuk should pickup some old style slates actually for this purpose May 26 13:06:55 but having spare cash for such things is tough May 26 13:06:56 lcuk: no, though probably originally that's where they got the name May 26 13:07:16 I am going to write a local app May 26 13:07:23 just a plain old resistive touchscreen May 26 13:07:42 using GPS and simple mapping, tie it in with accelerometers and show where potholes/bumps in the road are worse May 26 13:07:57 slaine, I have had various screens in the past May 26 13:08:00 before I had liqbase May 26 13:08:08 which were pen driven but not resistive May 26 13:08:18 anyone else having "exceeds panel dimensions" error in their Xorg log file or is it just me? I am unable to use resolution in debian on meego May 26 13:08:26 * lcuk cannot remember the tech description May 26 13:08:43 lcuk, I always get confused, there's been a few alright May 26 13:08:45 lcuk: you've seen the meego device application program thigny? May 26 13:08:57 lcuk: I'd say you should definately qualify. May 26 13:08:59 SpeedEvil, I have May 26 13:09:00 # May 26 13:09:06 but the only devices I have seen I have May 26 13:09:10 my ideapad is awesome May 26 13:09:19 i dont want an exopc or something without a keyboard May 26 13:09:22 and I have n900 May 26 13:09:34 which is the best workhorse out there and principle target May 26 13:09:38 yep. May 26 13:09:43 make software work REALLY well on n900 May 26 13:09:46 n900 is 76% awesome. May 26 13:09:49 and it will fly on everything else May 26 13:10:07 The other 24% is me drooling over the pandaboard. May 26 13:10:21 pandaboard (and beagle before it) were dev kits May 26 13:10:27 and not working products May 26 13:10:28 Well - yes. May 26 13:10:34 I kinda know that. May 26 13:10:38 I have desire for wall mounted thingies May 26 13:10:52 but my ideapad does that job atm May 26 13:10:56 Though I'm sorta considering pandaboard + ipad screen in old laptop shell. May 26 13:11:02 Which is probably silly. May 26 13:13:03 hmm...having some problems with installing the 1.2 immage...it seem to hang at a random place during the installation.....tried different downloads and usb sticks.....1.1.x installs fine on same computer. May 26 13:14:36 SpeedEvil, silly view of how the idepad and n900 and laptop sit May 26 13:14:37 http://liqbase.net/20110526_002.jpg May 26 13:14:57 because it is a laptop it sits in corner of my eye but is on the wall May 26 13:15:16 espen77, check for bugs May 26 13:15:30 using the image filename as a kerstring in bugzilla perhaps May 26 13:16:32 CosmoHill, you are normally interested in such photos too :P May 26 13:18:14 oo May 26 13:18:29 * lcuk looking for a wall mount for something like the galaxy tab for the calendar in the kitchen or near the front door May 26 13:18:30 lcuk: you'll like some of the pics of my new desktop, cooler just about fits in May 26 13:18:40 lcuk: What's the thinkpad? May 26 13:18:46 x200s May 26 13:18:49 Oh May 26 13:18:50 with a broken screen! May 26 13:19:06 * lcuk found supplier for a new one and going getting it tomorrow May 26 13:19:50 i explained and showed meego liqbase ideapad to jakes school teacher today at his review meeting May 26 13:19:59 :) May 26 13:20:03 and was able to show them all the things we as a household use it for May 26 13:20:46 lcuk: cool May 26 13:21:33 (he is autistic and obviously finding positive things which help is good, and this certainly has helped him and us) May 26 13:22:55 That's awesome May 26 13:24:17 Think I'm gonna go dark for a bit May 26 13:25:06 alterego, sleep well. May 26 13:25:55 alterego: that's not what shoe polish is meant for May 26 13:36:55 CosmoHill: rofl May 26 13:37:07 lcuk, that's cool May 26 13:37:57 slaine, it was cool when I first wrote it May 26 13:38:10 now it is an essential part of our household :) May 26 13:38:48 I meant the later part and how it's helping your son May 26 13:38:56 slaine, I do too :) May 26 13:39:14 I already new libqbase was cool from some of your youtube vids May 26 13:39:41 slaine, I have the very first smiley face he ever drew on the system and have seen a whole evolution of his skills (and mine too!) May 26 13:39:45 CosmoHill: have you considered velcro ? May 26 13:40:31 I got some on my swim shorts, not good when it gets stuck on your leg hair :/ May 26 13:40:44 http://vimeo.com/11886557 May 26 13:41:57 Evolution of an idea: Brightness selection dialog: Notes: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110525_162059.liqrecentsketches_classic.scr.png implementation: http://liqbase.net/liq.20081102_235650.gary.scr.png May 26 13:43:15 slaine: awesome May 26 13:44:23 * CosmoHill watches an ant run across the top of his laptop screen May 26 13:45:04 CosmoHill: It's _much_ more annoying when it's a teeny fly between the backlight and the panel. May 26 13:45:13 CosmoHill: Especially if it dies. May 26 13:45:24 THUNDER BUGS May 26 13:45:54 I got one in each monitor May 26 13:53:02 You know the image build is getting better every day when _________________________________________________ ? May 26 13:53:02 (a) you can last a day doing regular tasks May 26 13:53:02 (b) you are using a 4 day old image and filling in data May 26 13:53:02 (c) You realise you are picking up test device instead of main one May 26 13:53:02 :) May 26 13:54:50 oooo May 26 13:55:27 lardman, also, looking to import actual data and trying to update rather than reflash is next big ones May 26 13:55:57 * CosmoHill is actually cutting down on his devices May 26 13:56:41 I opened the car door and it just about opened, filled up the car and closed the door. Of the the car was a little be lower and I made a massive mark on my dad's car :o May 26 13:56:49 thankfully it rubbed off :) May 26 13:57:04 3/5 devices run maemo/meego 1 ubuntu and one windows May 26 13:58:15 1 mac laptop, 1 dual boot laptop win / RHEL, 1 server running BSL (my distro) and a new desktop running windows + others May 26 14:13:43 I've too many devices, so my wife says anyway May 26 14:14:16 all my stuff has to stay in my bedroom May 26 14:25:14 ~seen gabrbedd May 26 14:25:27 gabrbedd <~gabrbedd@204-16-154-129-static.ipnetworksinc.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 2d 23h 7m 58s ago, saying: 'timeless_w7ip: Are you in the hacker lounge?'. May 26 14:25:40 lcuk: he's in my basement May 26 14:26:08 well ask him whether he would put other musicians/dj apps on with his indamixx meego tablet May 26 14:26:38 so for instance if a team of meego guys put together a group app May 26 15:42:37 MeeGo Conference RESOLVED FIXED, can someone please verify? ;) May 26 15:42:44 :) May 26 15:43:38 it was good to get an update on apps.meego.com - I think the best I can do in the MeeGo context is to help pushing that project to completion May 26 15:46:28 Some sort of central OS app-store type thingy has to be there. May 26 15:46:42 It's an important bit. May 26 16:00:25 SpeedEvil: it's being worked on, see http://apps-beta.meego.com/ May 26 16:00:48 I saw that pointed at at the conference. May 26 16:00:55 I need to install DE and have a play May 26 16:01:32 SpeedEvil, thumb up for that May 26 16:01:36 SpeedEvil: I'm not sure they are integrated yet, but they should. DE needs testers! :) May 26 16:05:22 i'm so proud of our de guys and the work what they have done May 26 16:05:49 What is google saying? http://correlate.googlelabs.com/search?e=meego&e=poorly%20dressed&t=weekly# May 26 16:07:16 SpeedEvil: that is coincidence of timing. MeeGo has been popular for about the same time as princess Kate May 26 16:07:42 :) May 26 16:08:16 http://correlate.googlelabs.com/search?e=kittens&e=mango%20chutney&t=weekly# is my favourite result so far. May 26 16:15:47 <_Len> hi, i just installed meego and im trying to install my wireless card, but with no sucess. I've tried ndiswrapper and this tutorial http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.2_Wifi.html. Following the tutorial i get a error when I'm about to rebuild rpm. Says i need kernel-netbook-devel but i dont have any package like that to install throught zypper May 26 16:16:30 zypper search kernel May 26 16:17:22 <_Len> CosmoHill: has Kernel-devel May 26 16:17:31 install that May 26 16:17:37 <_Len> I did already May 26 16:18:06 <_Len> but still asks for kernel-netbook-devel May 26 16:18:56 <_Len> I've tryed to patch rpm to rename dependency but I had no success (didn't even rebuild) May 26 16:20:26 <_Len> CosmoHill: anything I can do? May 26 16:20:34 wait for slaine May 26 16:20:49 <_Len> he hangs around here? May 26 16:20:52 yep May 26 16:21:18 <_Len> which time usually? May 26 16:21:46 give it an hour or so May 26 16:21:54 <_Len> Ok good. Thank you May 26 16:22:05 unless he's on a plane... May 26 16:24:06 <_Len> oh well, let's hope he's not XD May 26 16:30:01 _Len, May 26 16:30:02 http://wiki.meego.com/Tips_on_compiling_and_packaging_kernels_in_MeeGo May 26 16:30:09 Note that all the examples here will use the (now obsolete) `kernel-netbook` package as an example. Please substitute the name of the kernel package you're working with. To figure out which one you're currently running, this command will tell you: May 26 16:32:37 <_Len> lcuk: which command? May 26 16:33:14 <_Len> uname -r? May 26 16:34:33 _Len, RTFM May 26 16:34:45 I gave a link to it with the command and stuff May 26 16:34:56 lcuk: o/ May 26 16:34:58 * lcuk hopes that solves your problem May 26 16:35:01 hiya timoph \o May 26 16:35:04 how is SF? May 26 16:35:14 sunny and windy :) May 26 16:35:20 sounds good May 26 16:35:24 yep May 26 16:35:27 did you learn much and talk with many? May 26 16:36:02 talk yes and even managed to learn something May 26 16:36:55 i still have a couple of hours to kill before going to the airport May 26 16:37:29 planning to go for a few hour walk May 26 16:37:41 <_Len> luck: With this tutorial you gave me I think i can compile kernel, but I don't know excatly what should I do or what files can I change to get the wireless device working. May 26 16:37:52 go past staples May 26 16:45:20 timoph, in every city I have been in, the most important part has been the home journey, if you do not have already, get some paper and pencil May 26 16:45:22 :) May 26 16:45:37 or like me use digital version May 26 18:22:28 hello May 26 18:22:40 i need help in installing meego May 26 18:22:50 i have power kernel v47 installed May 26 18:22:58 s thr anyway to install uboot May 26 18:23:08 last time i tried it failed to boot May 26 19:23:13 <_Len> well i think i'll have to solve wireless issue other day May 26 19:23:26 <_Len> bye guys May 26 19:23:31 <_Len> thx for attention May 26 19:25:29 ~seen dgbrow2x May 26 19:25:35 i haven't seen 'dgbrow2x', lcuk May 26 19:27:03 * lcuk goes into #liqbase after bowling May 26 20:57:38 can I obtain the location from Location API based on a IP? May 26 20:58:08 or is it purely GPS or Cell based? May 26 20:58:51 delac: there is a way, firefox used it to show you where the downloads were coming from right down to the town May 26 20:58:59 duno what it's called tho May 26 21:04:06 delac: geoclue has that HostIP location provider which, I think, is what you need. May 26 21:11:09 sergeyle: geoclue would provide what I need, but it doesnt seem to be part of official Qt API? I was more of wondering if QGeoPositionInfoSource might have IP based location source? May 26 21:11:39 or something like that... May 26 21:12:46 oh, I see. May 26 21:13:44 but the Qt Mobility implementation relies on geoclue, AFAIK May 26 21:14:12 relies on how? May 26 21:14:22 is it the same code? May 26 21:15:01 it was supposed to use geoclue as its backend May 26 21:15:11 not sure if it is now, though May 26 21:15:35 like here: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/qt-mobility/merge_requests/19 May 26 21:16:52 actually May 26 21:16:56 of course, it is only relevant for MeeGo May 26 21:16:57 there is one with a guide May 26 21:17:06 and one for recorded content only May 26 21:18:42 well, if it is glued there, then I gues the IP based location is possible. Can anyone point a tutorial or example or anything? May 26 21:20:20 I am not sure it is fully implemented now. you'd rather use bare geoclue :) May 26 21:23:11 sergeyle: possibly. but that wouldn't be very future proof, and as this is for a assingment, I dont think it is acceptable May 26 21:26:22 Ehm, I'm not quite confident about QtMobility being more future proof. Anyway, this page: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/index.html#platform-compatibility claims that Location support is at its final stage, so HostIp should be there. May 26 21:29:14 uh, maybe I just do little test app and see if QGeoPositionInfoSource tells me if a IP based location source is available... May 26 22:48:31 Hey, I noticed there's a developer preview for the tablet edition. Is there somewhere I can see what packages to install if I want to throw it along side a netbook meego install? May 26 23:13:46 magius_pendragon: the repo server has image generation logs and package lists **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 27 02:59:58 2011