**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 04 02:59:56 2011 Jun 04 04:44:08 julienf -- i've got video working on exopc both through xbmc and smplayer/mplayer (using http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem ) Jun 04 04:45:04 i found weird stuff happening when using gl rendering, like qt menu contents would end up expanded to the size of the full screen , and other refresh weirdness Jun 04 04:47:10 * npm waiting for 'zypper in gstreamer-plugins-bad-nonfree gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras gstreamer-plugins-bad-free gstreamer-tools phonon-backend-gstreamer gstreamer-plugins-base gstreamer-ffmpeg qtgstreamer-plugins gstreamer-python gstreamer-devel slv2' to finish.... Jun 04 04:47:46 so i can play back videos from youtube :-) Jun 04 05:59:11 morning Jun 04 07:27:21 i am compiling the libmeegotouch code from gitorious for linux , and getting compiler errors . Anyone tried compiling the MT frame work for linux recently ? Jun 04 07:57:46 hi all, can you please tell me how to download all the source code of Meego to build it local on my PC? Jun 04 08:01:00 you'll want to look at OBS Jun 04 08:01:14 there are various pages on the meego wiki about it Jun 04 08:02:31 but are you sure you want to recompile? not just create an image suiting your device using existing binaries? Jun 04 08:03:44 yes I want the full source code to recombile, for learning purpose Jun 04 08:04:15 look at OBS then Jun 04 08:05:33 i am sorry but what OBS stands for? Jun 04 08:08:34 it's a build system; a bit more elaborate than "make world" but also a hell of a lot more powerful Jun 04 08:12:19 i reached it at Meego wiki, thanks a lot for the help. Jun 04 09:54:07 dm8tbr, morning Jun 04 09:59:33 morn vgrade Jun 04 09:59:44 morn smoku Jun 04 10:00:02 hi Stskeeps Jun 04 10:01:13 vgrade: so, how may I be of disservice after I have had my lunch Jun 04 10:03:35 dm8tbr: what device and what kernel did you test the dm3730 with? Jun 04 10:04:41 (just to collect some background info) Jun 04 10:05:04 Morning all Jun 04 10:06:38 dm8tbr, could you create a nokia 3g booklet area on openaos for us so we can unpload a netbook and ivi image? Jun 04 10:07:04 vgrade: sure, right after lunch :) Jun 04 10:07:07 nomnomnom Jun 04 10:07:40 username anab1s Jun 04 10:08:05 he's not on at the moment but when he is you can pass the login to him Jun 04 10:08:26 ok Jun 04 10:09:24 btw: informal rules: ks together with image, if binaries, must be redistributable Jun 04 10:09:36 emgd is Jun 04 10:09:52 no problem this time al from meego repos Jun 04 10:10:09 sure, just to be clear on this :) Jun 04 10:10:30 I hear there was a brief stint of a modified tablet image at some point ;) Jun 04 10:11:12 ever so brief Jun 04 10:30:22 vgrade: sooo, you want another directory... *clickety* Jun 04 10:35:08 vgrade: how goes the porting to various bits of hardware? ;) Jun 04 10:36:19 vgrade: done, he'll have to ping me for the initial password Jun 04 10:51:54 dm8tbr, thanks I'll sned hiim your way Jun 04 10:52:14 * dm8tbr checks that it shows in the listing Jun 04 10:52:34 http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/nokia_3g_booklet/ - yep it does alright Jun 04 10:52:37 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed Jun 04 10:52:55 my bot cracks me up every time I say that URL ;) Jun 04 10:53:10 TSCHAKeee, hi. Jun 04 10:53:50 yo Jun 04 10:54:03 TSCHAKeee: well, I just created yet another device directory for him... :) Jun 04 10:54:18 TSCHAKeee, we did some emgd builds in the last few days for the nokia booklet Jun 04 10:54:29 netbook and ivi Jun 04 10:54:39 so much easier now Jun 04 10:55:10 and intel is prolly squealing out of joy how 'their plan comes together' Jun 04 10:55:17 still working on the tegra tablet. No drivers avaiable yet but looking into llvmpipe at the momemt Jun 04 10:56:14 dm8tbr: what plan, exactly? Jun 04 10:56:17 ;) Jun 04 10:56:25 llvmpipe ? Jun 04 10:56:28 TSCHAKeee: meego, the intel 'thingy' Jun 04 10:56:41 dm8tbr: I repeat...What...plan, exactly? ;) Jun 04 10:56:57 * dm8tbr refrains from calling meego anything else then a 'thinghy' nowadays as there is NOTHING that seems to fit Jun 04 10:57:06 it's not a distro, not an ecosystem, .... Jun 04 10:57:35 i vote we go back to naming it moblin Jun 04 10:57:35 TSCHAKeee: world domination, or if not applicable domination of embedded devices and meego in particular Jun 04 10:57:36 :P Jun 04 10:57:55 Stskeeps: nah, should have intel in the name for proper attribution Jun 04 10:58:00 moblin was the netbook ux, that is now neutered Jun 04 10:58:05 intelGo? Jun 04 10:58:19 * TSCHAKeee still has friends at OpenedHand that still bitch about it on a daily basis. Jun 04 10:58:23 TSCHAKeee, llvmpipe, partof mesa , promises better software rast perf Jun 04 10:58:28 cool Jun 04 10:58:57 TSCHAKeee: openedhand was bought out by inte wasn't it? Jun 04 10:59:15 OpenedHand makes Clutter, Intel buys OpenedHand, OpenedHand goes to work on Moblin..Moblin becomes MeeGo...OpenedHand is basically put out to pasture. Jun 04 10:59:22 stskeeps: yup Jun 04 10:59:47 they are still pissed about it Jun 04 11:00:01 i consider gtk and clutter the symbian of toolkits Jun 04 11:00:03 Well, maybe they'll go back to Gtk ... Jun 04 11:00:46 Or maybe Intel will get a deal with MS and we can all use .NET Jun 04 11:00:57 basically they're all working on Gnome 3 now Jun 04 11:00:59 didn't you get the memo? Jun 04 11:01:02 alterego: that one is actually funny.. Jun 04 11:01:07 .net is dead (with silverlight) Jun 04 11:01:13 it's all html5 now Jun 04 11:01:14 which...Gnome 3 is not bad. Jun 04 11:01:15 http://forums.silverlight.net/forums/p/230502/562113.aspx Jun 04 11:01:26 dm8tbr: not now it isn't .. Jun 04 11:01:28 probably plus some 'special M$ extensions' ofc Jun 04 11:01:50 I've not gotten around to using gnome 3 yet, unity isn't too bad. Jun 04 11:02:02 * dm8tbr is trollin, they hatin' ;-p Jun 04 11:04:08 Stskeeps: you know earliere in the week you said you hope they bring out the harmattan device soon? Well, even if they announced it today we're unlikely to see them for another month or two .. Jun 04 11:04:27 alterego: i thought nokia went for 'ship when announce'? Jun 04 11:05:09 Maybe, but I thought they were just trying to reduce the time between announce and ship. Jun 04 11:06:38 Regardless, it'll be intteresting to see what kind of developer offering they give us. Jun 04 11:06:53 indeed Jun 04 11:07:30 I think the first thing I'm going to do if/when I geet one, is replace tpring with ofono and use my dialer ;) Jun 04 11:08:10 i think i'd just test if ovi maps was less crap. Jun 04 11:08:20 * TSCHAKeee finds it funny the one remotely meego handset will be using MTF Jun 04 11:08:23 :P Jun 04 11:09:52 I think Nokia should push for "MeeGo Compatible" rather than "MeeGo Compliant" Jun 04 11:10:11 The WeTab wasn't MeeGo Compliant .. Jun 04 11:10:17 this reminds me Jun 04 11:10:20 of OpenStep Jun 04 11:10:36 the same shit was pulled in the 90s Jun 04 11:10:37 In fact it still isn't meego compliant yet they raved about it in the keynolte. Jun 04 11:10:58 * alterego starts getting a bit riled up. >:( Jun 04 11:11:00 NeXT and Sun got together, and created an API standard called OpenStep.. Jun 04 11:11:01 alterego: honestly it would have been meego compliant if they have had a 1.0 compliance document Jun 04 11:11:19 NeXT's implementation never was completely OpenStep compliant...they called it OPENSTEP Jun 04 11:11:36 and Sun's implementation for Solaris couldn't run everything that ran on OPENSTEP. Jun 04 11:12:00 (and then in a twist of gonzo, OpenStep became Cocoa, sooo *shrug*) Jun 04 11:13:16 To be honest these platfvorm details that stop Harmattan getting a meego badge are only important to devlopers that like me come from the maemo background. It's not important, all this low level crap, to actual bog standard app developers. Jun 04 11:13:16 it's like now.. we have MeeGo...and we have Harmattan.... which is like.... ok.... Coca-Cola...and....RC Cola...they're both Colas...but not quite.....the same.... Jun 04 11:13:20 :P Jun 04 11:13:29 alterego: very true. Jun 04 11:14:04 but lots of people seem to be very confused. Jun 04 11:14:13 And that is what's important isn't it? We need to attract lame developers to our "ecosystem"? Jun 04 11:14:20 "Ok, I want to develop for MeeGo, where is the SDK?" Jun 04 11:14:22 alterego: it does matter if you have to use a different SDK target for one single device Jun 04 11:14:23 "Whicho ne?" Jun 04 11:15:30 None, use obs :) Jun 04 11:15:31 please keep in mind, fellas.. I'm not trying to troll.. you know this. Jun 04 11:15:37 alterego: same problem Jun 04 11:15:47 i'm just speaking through experience Jun 04 11:15:51 I've been THROUGH THIS Jun 04 11:15:51 osc chroot is what I u Jun 04 11:15:58 se Jun 04 11:16:12 Amiga...NeXT Jun 04 11:16:15 TSCHAKeee: yeah, I understand, it must be very confusing to all those devs. Jun 04 11:16:23 New devs. Jun 04 11:16:37 i'm seeing so many of the same mistakes made over and over again Jun 04 11:16:50 Maybe we should have an integrated sdk/build-env download in Qt Creator Jun 04 11:16:56 bingo Jun 04 11:17:19 Select target device, download rootfs and toolchain if required, then build. Jun 04 11:17:22 with targets, Handset, Tablet, Phone, TV, yup Jun 04 11:18:31 Well, you've got profile and you've also got architecture, doing it per device would be easier, even if handset a, b, c have exactly the same rootfs and toolchain. It just makes it easier for devs to know what they're actually targetting. Jun 04 11:18:39 yup Jun 04 11:19:08 at least with qml now, we have the possibility of being able to massage the UI for the different targets. Jun 04 11:19:12 * alterego notes down the idea Jun 04 11:19:22 This might be similar to something else I plan on doing. Jun 04 11:47:52 alterego, nice start to the uk network site Jun 04 11:48:03 all we need now is a network to go with it Jun 04 11:48:49 http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk/, for those who missed the announcement Jun 04 11:51:10 :) Jun 04 11:51:28 Not entirely announced yet, that's just a html file place holder with a bit of info on it. Jun 04 11:51:37 It aggregates facebook events :) Jun 04 11:51:44 And has the twitter feed in it :) Jun 04 11:54:07 vgrade: but thanks :) Jun 04 11:54:49 I'm gonna have birmingham. and cambridge. sub domains for the local meetups, the idea is for it to aggregate local meetups into a single UK portal. Jun 04 13:27:01 hmm... does the exopc have accelerometers ? Jun 04 13:29:40 achipa: yes, it's got something like that. It auto-rotates the screen depending on how you have it tilted. Jun 04 13:34:58 true... Why don't mobility-sensors work then... duh Jun 04 13:42:10 achipa: Do you mean the thing where meego-ux-daemon fails to start because of the sensors? Jun 04 13:44:16 gabrbedd: not really, I have a little demo-game which uses mobility.sensors... and it's pretty dead Jun 04 13:44:27 even though there are no errors in the console wrt to imports and whatnot Jun 04 13:45:46 achipa: This might have something to do with it... Jun 04 13:45:50 # work around for maemo6 sensor crash Jun 04 13:45:50 rm /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sensors/libqtsensors_meego.so Jun 04 13:45:51 gabrbedd: Error: "work" is not a valid command. Jun 04 13:46:06 Ref: http://mirrors1.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.1.20110525.2/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.1.20110525.2.ks Jun 04 13:46:27 But, it could be unrelated. Jun 04 13:47:32 I use actually I use meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1.img as 0525 doesn't even boot for me Jun 04 13:48:12 achipa: check the .ks file. It's been there for a while. Jun 04 13:48:53 Anyway, my guess is that you don't have that .so file, and that *might* be the problem. Jun 04 13:49:05 ...but this could also be a red herring. Jun 04 13:50:38 right, I only have libsensors_orientation... hm Jun 04 13:52:27 achipa: the problem is that if you reinstall it... the MeeGo UX will fail to start. :-( Jun 04 13:54:15 who needs that anyway... :) Jun 04 13:54:33 gabrbedd: BUT while we are at it, should the sound work ? Jun 04 13:54:33 * arfoll hates meego paperwork Jun 04 13:55:03 araujo: like what? Jun 04 13:55:07 achipa: yes, but the volumes may be at 0 by default. Jun 04 13:56:30 gabrbedd: heh, almost - it did show as 100% but needed prodding to actually make noise Jun 04 13:56:51 err, arfoll: Jun 04 14:15:44 hayfever sucks Jun 04 14:16:07 Yes it does. Jun 04 14:16:16 indeed Jun 04 14:18:49 more or less than beiberfever ? Jun 04 14:22:04 dont know, never had bieber related illness Jun 04 14:22:52 this may surprise some of you, but i'm not a teenage girl Jun 04 14:22:56 * SpeedEvil realises there is the potential for innovative meego camera apps. Jun 04 14:23:00 http://fatpita.net/?i=3442 Jun 04 14:23:32 ah,photoshopping.. Jun 04 14:29:00 ook at that left hand.... Jun 04 14:33:29 Roundabout December/January they removed the dbus interface from meegotouch-inputmethods... Jun 04 14:33:35 Is this a bug or a feature? Jun 04 14:34:20 in meego, every feature is a bug. Jun 04 14:34:21 ;) Jun 04 14:34:28 haha Jun 04 14:35:30 hi? Jun 04 14:35:50 hi Jun 04 14:36:24 Is anybody running Netbook UX with the VKB? It looks like the loss of dbus breaks the GTK inputmethod bridge. Can somebody confirm? Jun 04 15:21:53 so much snot... Jun 04 15:38:11 cosmohill you got flu Jun 04 15:39:21 lcukn900: he's got beiber fever Jun 04 15:40:11 CosmoHill: TMI Jun 04 15:40:55 snot != information Jun 04 15:41:58 good thing only information comes out of my nose Jun 04 15:42:15 arfoll: what paperwork Jun 04 15:42:29 * lbt noticed he missed hitting Jun 04 15:43:36 * lcukn900 hears lbts typewriter making 'ding!' noise! Jun 04 15:53:55 lcukn900: http://piratepad.net/OY1SY1h5uO Jun 04 15:54:25 may not be n900 compatible :) Jun 04 15:55:10 hehe ... lurkers Jun 04 16:00:13 lbt, jeremiah great stuff! Jun 04 16:14:53 accelerometer readings on exopc really need some median filtering, noise is way too strong... Jun 04 16:15:56 * Myrtti has unleashed the grammar nazi Jun 04 16:16:20 s/grammar/typofix/ Jun 04 16:16:25 Myrtti: my lecturer? Jun 04 16:16:58 CosmoHill: just fixing the piratepad text Jun 04 16:18:53 lbt: I trust you are in the middle of writing some parts? because there's plenty of sentences that feel cut off Jun 04 16:19:23 achipa, filtering is easy Jun 04 16:19:30 I used smoothing on the n900 Jun 04 16:19:34 Myrtti: very much so Jun 04 16:19:39 just take 1/10 of a reading each time Jun 04 16:19:49 but that might cause lag Jun 04 16:19:58 aw man jetlag sucks Jun 04 16:20:18 * lbt got 0h sleep on thu night Jun 04 16:20:26 :( Jun 04 16:20:27 finnish 3am dawn Jun 04 16:20:44 and a hotel room with blinds and no curtain Jun 04 16:21:05 lbt, the raddison blu have nice rooms Jun 04 16:21:37 I use the seaside or holiday inn - nice and close Jun 04 16:21:53 but next week is Helsinki week - no hotel rooms anywhere :( Jun 04 16:22:02 so any suggestions are welcome Jun 04 16:22:07 helsinki week? Jun 04 16:22:10 try omena? Jun 04 16:22:13 omena ♥ Jun 04 16:22:27 I have an omena room booked ... that's why I'm still looking Jun 04 16:22:28 ew, omena :/ Jun 04 16:23:01 lbt: meh, it's not that bad, you don't have to deal with other humans ;) Jun 04 16:23:10 * lbt shakes his head Jun 04 16:23:26 I don't even wheel my suitcase down the corridor Jun 04 16:23:27 after staying in some US hotels for two weeks, I'd rather stay in Omena anytime Jun 04 16:23:34 agreed Jun 04 16:23:40 omena > the hostel i was at Jun 04 16:23:40 lbtlbt, in the vendor notes, you mention mxr - I have noticed it is extremely useful for developers and teams tracking things Jun 04 16:23:43 try maybe some of the "lesser" S-chain hotels, there are a couple in the very center of town Jun 04 16:23:46 but for manager how is it useful? Jun 04 16:24:09 Bostik: as long as I can get the transit to Nokia... Jun 04 16:24:13 any suggestions? Jun 04 16:24:40 Myrtti, lcuk I'm focusing on structure at the moment Jun 04 16:24:43 Stskeeps: I just find the time spent with idiotic hotel staff such a waste of effort and time that the possibility of not needing to deal with any staff is welcome Jun 04 16:24:43 lbt: omena yrjonkatu is excellent, just walk up street to Kamppi Jun 04 16:24:53 would appreciate ideas of missing bullet points Jun 04 16:25:03 I can have a lool in about 1h, currently on road Jun 04 16:25:25 Myrtti: i still use omena - i tried scandic hotel in tampere at 100eur/night and i actually found omena better :P Jun 04 16:25:26 Bostik: go on - ta. Otherwise the omena isn't really that bad ;) Jun 04 16:25:30 lbt, sure thing - sorry for reading over your shoulder \o Jun 04 16:25:49 lcuk: I wouldn't have piratepad'ed it if I didn't want help Jun 04 16:25:55 * lcuk willlol Jun 04 16:25:56 I know Jun 04 16:26:23 Myrtti, should've talked to the French-sounding dude who decided murdering them was OK because they were "just hotel workers". Jun 04 16:26:48 Stskeeps: stayed in Pacific Suites in Mountain View for a week, I'll never understand the logic of having a jacuzzi, microwave and a fridge, but for example no forks or knives. Jun 04 16:27:09 Myrtti: less murder in the jacuzzi Jun 04 16:27:30 or why there needed to be the blanket/bedsheet combo AND a quilt in a quilt cover Jun 04 16:27:36 that one i never understood either Jun 04 16:27:41 scandinavian thing, i think Jun 04 16:27:45 either, or Jun 04 16:27:49 but why both? Jun 04 16:28:00 E_KITTYNOUNDERSTAND Jun 04 16:28:10 in Finland? Jun 04 16:28:19 I understand the need for both: it gets bloody cold. Jun 04 16:28:20 lcuk: mountain view Jun 04 16:28:27 no it doesn't. Jun 04 16:28:37 lcuk: even in finland, one duvet is enough Jun 04 16:28:47 different people are different Jun 04 16:28:56 I sleep with window open Jun 04 16:29:00 and extra duvet Jun 04 16:29:05 * lcuk likes fresh air Jun 04 16:29:11 but also liking to stay warm Jun 04 16:29:19 I got sunburn on the back of my neck, and with my long hair, having too much quilts and covers left me sweating and in pain :-< Jun 04 16:29:20 * GAN900 would've appreciated more covers in SF. Jun 04 16:29:25 bad sleep was bad Jun 04 16:29:33 Take them off the bed? Jun 04 16:29:53 American folks with pillow mountains on the bed are odd Jun 04 16:30:03 needing to take off all the pillows just to get on the bed Jun 04 16:30:09 they were handily tucked underneath the mattress almost like someone had stapled them there :-< Jun 04 16:30:13 lcuk: yeah, I've never understood the pillow mountains Jun 04 16:30:13 you see it in movies Jun 04 16:30:16 piles of them Jun 04 16:30:33 DawnFoster, like flower arranging I guess Jun 04 16:30:42 so take something off and the whole bedsheet combo explodes Jun 04 16:30:45 lcuk: first thing I do in a hotel is dump the huge pile of pillows in a corner so that I can get to the bed Jun 04 16:30:57 DawnFoster, :D Jun 04 16:31:10 yeah, that was a problem in Hyatt Jun 04 16:31:23 I mean, you really only need one, right? :) Jun 04 16:31:27 you should see my sisters bed tho Jun 04 16:31:28 it is not a problem really, bedroom decoration is important Jun 04 16:31:33 the cushions and pillows... Jun 04 16:31:35 it's baffling Jun 04 16:31:35 it is just odd Jun 04 16:31:39 At least 3 Jun 04 16:31:43 4 is better. Jun 04 16:32:01 it is just like adding swags and tails and other embelishments Jun 04 16:32:31 * lcuk puts piping around the edge of his laptop Jun 04 16:33:11 and I also have to give it to the hotel (chain) management. It gets old after a while that there's these signs "we'll change your towel only if you want us to - leave it on the floor if you do" and when you return to your room in the evening... Jun 04 16:33:27 of course they've changed every goddamn piece of cotton in the room Jun 04 16:33:33 so much for the token effort Jun 04 16:34:23 Myrtti, from the alternative side, would you like to arrive in room to find dirty towel? Jun 04 16:34:38 lcuk: if I was the one who last used it... yes. Jun 04 16:34:53 I find if the towel is still on the rail and folded as before it won't get changed Jun 04 16:35:06 you're lucky Jun 04 16:35:19 no, I am lcuk Jun 04 16:35:30 and I'm hungry Jun 04 16:35:39 * lcuk emails you a BLT Jun 04 16:36:03 hey Jun 04 16:36:35 ahoy Jun 04 16:36:45 is it possible to run meego headless in a qemu vm then run with X from the host? Jun 04 16:37:02 let, the hos do the X rendering. Jun 04 16:37:47 I am trying to find a solution to the slow qemu problem due to lack of X accel. Jun 04 16:38:58 cordiceps, which aspect are you attempting to test Jun 04 16:39:19 and is it not practical to do it on actual hw Jun 04 16:40:49 play around with the GUI and apps. Jun 04 16:41:53 running meego is not practical on hw?? Jun 04 16:42:02 I am not getting you... Jun 04 16:53:21 cordiceps: remote X will make all the shared memory and OpenGL optimisations go away Jun 04 16:53:31 it might be even slower Jun 04 16:54:18 argh!! Jun 04 16:56:08 I have the nvidia blowb which has hard ware accel, would that help? Jun 04 18:00:55 hey, a question about the netbook slide effect on alt-tab Jun 04 18:01:04 does anyone know the actual code path taken for doing this Jun 04 18:01:17 I filed a bug a long time ago about it but it continues to annoy when using it Jun 04 18:01:32 I would like to actually make alt-tab just do a much simpler animation Jun 04 18:01:45 ie, when moving to a new window, just slide the current and new window Jun 04 18:02:07 the current method of panning back,. sliding past many windows then panning in is so distracting Jun 04 18:03:37 bug 10544 and semi related bug 4804 Jun 04 18:03:40 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Medium, ---, tf, RESO WONTFIX, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications Jun 04 18:03:42 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4804 enh, Medium, ---, nicholas.e.richards, NEW, The animation for window transition is too slow (task switcher with alt-tab) Jun 04 18:07:18 holy crap, all S-chain hotels fully booked too for the whole of next week Jun 04 18:07:24 what the hell is going on Jun 04 18:35:05 Bostik: they're taking all M$ staff to sightsee their new finnish department? ;p Jun 04 18:37:09 prolly Jun 04 18:37:21 or there's some biannual pulp conference again Jun 04 18:42:29 http://helsinkithevenue.sivuviidakko.fi/EN/helsinki-week.html Jun 04 18:43:38 lcukabc: IIRC, if you simply tap Alt+Tab quickly (instead of holding)... it does exactly that. Jun 04 18:43:42 ah, i'll miss the helsinki samba carnival Jun 04 18:44:27 hello! Jun 04 18:44:33 Stskeeps: helsinki samba sounds as promising as norwegian maxian food :) Jun 04 18:44:42 I have a cuestion. Jun 04 18:44:47 s/maxian/mexican/ Jun 04 18:44:47 berndhs meant: Stskeeps: helsinki samba sounds as promising as norwegian mexican food :) Jun 04 18:45:02 Meego supported python? Jun 04 18:45:23 berndhs, what about norwegian india pale ale? Jun 04 18:45:51 V1ajer0: 'supported' is a stretch Jun 04 18:46:01 I haven't even tried Inidan inida pale ale :) Jun 04 18:46:11 it's british actually Jun 04 18:46:22 yeah I know Jun 04 18:46:43 V1ajer0: we have bare python in MeeGo... the modules you have to provide yourself. Jun 04 18:47:01 There's likely to be a community Python project starting up soon Jun 04 18:49:11 * npm wonders why /etc/cron.daily/logrotate is installed, but cron isn't Jun 04 18:52:33 * npm installs 'cronie' , runs sudo crond, finds out Jun 04 20:27:30 what app is running on your meego device now? Jun 04 20:38:17 ssh Jun 04 20:39:47 why :P Jun 04 20:40:18 because I'm working on ti Jun 04 20:40:20 it Jun 04 20:42:11 heh Jun 04 20:42:28 i am working on a number of things this evening Jun 04 20:43:10 * lcuk writing a post/review of the IntelRemastered visit I went on at the Cube Jun 04 20:43:21 * lcuk pondering something in liqbase Jun 04 20:43:34 * lcuk watching doctor who Jun 04 20:51:21 whut, new doctor who? Jun 04 20:52:11 Bostik: double-episode, with the second part airing in september... Jun 04 20:52:24 ouch-ouch-ouch Jun 04 20:52:34 that's so cruel Jun 04 20:59:36 hi Jun 04 21:00:17 where can i download the last image of meego DE for N900 using tablet UX ? because i'm lost with the orgabization of the repos Jun 04 21:19:50 ok i've found a recent build (30 may) Jun 04 21:38:31 good evening everybody ;) Jun 04 21:38:47 Has Jaffa just had his kid? Jun 04 21:38:58 is jaffa pregnant? Jun 04 21:39:01 I thought he was a bloke Jun 04 21:39:47 He is :) Jun 04 21:39:50 Oh wait Jun 04 21:39:55 You're the one that's expecting. Jun 04 21:39:59 I just had a brain fart :P Jun 04 21:41:17 I know it's late, but I've worked on it for the last 5 hours googling and trying and could not get any further... I've done something stupid to maemo, but I know how to fix it... IF I could excess the rootfs... however I'm stuck mounting it on meego... I know it is ubifs, I know it's supposed to be mtdblock5, but when I try to mount it says "unknown filesystem blablabla"... Jun 04 21:41:36 alterego, :) Jun 04 21:41:56 has someone any idea/advice for me? Jun 04 21:42:05 tcm458tu45u, reflash maemo is simplest Jun 04 21:42:21 args I hoped not to read it ^^ Jun 04 21:42:22 but the only partition I have heard people using is the eMMC Jun 04 21:42:34 I do not know how to acccess the maemo rootfs from within meego Jun 04 21:42:41 but it would be great to have a recovery image :) Jun 04 21:42:54 It should be possible mounting the ubitfs, but I've not managed to do it yet. Jun 04 21:43:14 the thing is, that it is on the NAND... means it is ubifs.. Jun 04 21:43:40 What is it you know you've screwd and you need to fix. Jun 04 21:43:47 xD Jun 04 21:43:54 don't want to tell xD Jun 04 21:43:58 lol Jun 04 21:43:58 That was a question Jun 04 21:44:17 Come on, even breaking .profile kills maemo :P Jun 04 21:44:29 I've kind of messed up the "evdev_drv.so" xD Jun 04 21:44:36 this means I have no input.. Jun 04 21:44:41 Hrm Jun 04 21:44:46 neither keyboard nor touchscreen Jun 04 21:44:54 Hmm Jun 04 21:44:59 means no reboot because of the PIN and so on.. Jun 04 21:45:08 Yeah, that's annoying. Jun 04 21:45:28 I'd reflash rootfs :/ Jun 04 21:45:43 I missspelled evdev_drv.so.orig and didn't look it up.. Jun 04 21:45:46 Maybe one day I'll get around to actually being able to mount ubifs :) Jun 04 21:47:04 would you use any options or just the clear filesystem to mount it? Jun 04 21:47:47 I saw outputs of mount on working maemo devices where it had parameters like "rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc" Jun 04 21:50:26 on other os's I found things like "ubimkvolume"... Jun 04 21:54:51 hmm I think there is no way to directly connect the nand to the computer, is it? Jun 04 21:55:10 Yes, but you don't want to. Jun 04 21:55:25 It involves unsoldering and doing silly things like that. Jun 04 21:55:48 lol ok Jun 04 21:55:52 nevermind ;) Jun 04 21:56:00 looks like a reflash for me.. Jun 04 22:23:28 hmm a reflash will only kill the NAND, won't it? Jun 04 23:22:06 is meegotouch-inputmethodbridges deprecated? It's been a looooooong time since it was updated. Jun 04 23:22:37 araujo might know Jun 04 23:22:56 w00t: thanks. Jun 04 23:23:23 I vaguely remember them talking about an update being too late for 1.2, but I don't know if that was -imb Jun 04 23:23:32 them being mikhas and him, iirc :) Jun 04 23:24:47 #meego-inputmethods is probably a useful place to be too Jun 04 23:24:47 w00t: Error: "meego-inputmethods" is not a valid command. Jun 04 23:27:15 yeah... Jun 04 23:27:27 gabrbedd, it has been not ... but the update didn't make it into 1.2 Jun 04 23:27:43 not = not deprecated I guess :) Jun 04 23:27:48 right :P Jun 04 23:28:45 gabrbedd, latest version is available in the 1.3 devel repos ..... Jun 04 23:29:32 w00t, I didn't recognize you without the '_' Jun 04 23:29:34 :P Jun 04 23:29:40 hehe Jun 04 23:45:04 araujo: OK, thanks. Jun 04 23:45:26 araujo: I noticed that meegotouch-inputmethodframework no longer installs the dbus service files. Jun 04 23:45:41 araujo: Doesn't that break the bridges? Jun 05 00:10:05 gabrbedd, ? .... imframework depends on and uses dbus properly Jun 05 00:12:31 araujo: but can other apps use imframework through araujo? Jun 05 00:12:53 araujo: I could be wrong... I'm mostly looking at the code trying to figure how to use imframework via dbus... Jun 05 00:13:16 araujo: but I can't get any of the GTK apps to trigger the keyboard in the Tablet UX. Jun 05 00:14:11 gabrbedd, aah.. yes .... you can .. but you need the latest bridges package .... which version of imbridges are you using? Jun 05 00:14:52 araujo: 0.2.2-2.14 Jun 05 00:15:01 right Jun 05 00:15:21 is that one too old? Jun 05 00:15:44 0.2.3 fixes launching the keyboard in Gtk applications , which is the latest version ..... Jun 05 00:16:13 araujo: ok, I'll check that out. Thanks! Jun 05 00:16:27 http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/Testing/standard/ Jun 05 00:16:32 there, it is available in that repo Jun 05 00:16:34 :) Jun 05 01:16:26 gabrbedd: i find that only qt-based apps (e.g. smplayer ) work w/ virt-kb on tablet-ux ; gnome based apps ( gpodder, firefox4, google-chrome) all ignore the vkb and require a real keyboard plugged in to use Jun 05 01:17:27 and some gnome apps have issues w/ menus and other popups getting expanded and showing up as the full-screen window, afterwards, you have to kill the app or mcompositor Jun 05 01:19:57 gabrbedd: have you figured out how to turn off the screensaver? permanently? it seems that certain apps re-fire the screensaver and you have to run the scripts in http://nielsmayer.com/meego/tab/tablet-ux-brightness-scripts.tgz in a loop to get the screensaver to stop Jun 05 01:35:41 morning Jun 05 02:41:46 mikeleib: ping **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 05 02:59:56 2011