**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 11 02:59:57 2011 Jun 11 03:03:13 hey people at EST :) Jun 11 03:03:16 * sivang is still jet lagged Jun 11 03:03:34 and in PDT Jun 11 03:03:40 ofcourse :-) Jun 11 03:09:04 hey b0unc3 Jun 11 03:15:27 morning all Jun 11 03:19:04 evening Jun 11 03:21:56 good night Jun 11 04:19:42 hello everybody Jun 11 04:25:23 * sofar enjoys a beer Jun 11 04:29:15 * Stskeeps is making morning coffee Jun 11 04:46:58 coffee morning to you Stskeeps :) Jun 11 04:47:35 sofar: I wonder if statistics are still being collected Jun 11 04:48:20 there's still being ratings collected. especially now after videos are up Jun 11 04:48:52 but keep in mind that ratings are also kind of sensitive to many people - if your company sent you across the world to present something on your topic and you did a crap performance, it might affect you Jun 11 04:49:14 i'm much more into 'top 10 best rated talks', ie, positive rating Jun 11 04:49:59 so i'm kind of against publishing raw data/comments Jun 11 04:51:06 obviously, my talk will rank top #10 Jun 11 04:51:18 :) Jun 11 04:51:34 * sofar giggles, he had like maybe 20 ppl in his talk Jun 11 04:51:41 we should update package-groups for systemd reality btw, i spotted fastinit in there Jun 11 04:52:11 (and good job at the systemd integration, i started looking closer at it now) Jun 11 04:52:48 though fastinit was already gone Jun 11 04:52:55 which package-group? Jun 11 04:53:10 * Stskeeps looks Jun 11 04:53:36 package-groups 0.70 in trunk, base.yaml Jun 11 04:54:08 zypper would complain about it but yum happily steps over the missing dep, i think ;) Jun 11 04:59:16 sofar: lol, 20 people are a lot Jun 11 04:59:19 sofar: two of my sessions there was barely 10, and in the talk around 5-6 Jun 11 04:59:32 at least it seems like BoFs were more constructive this time around Jun 11 04:59:35 but that is mostly due to late breaking news CfP not being properly annoiunced on the large LCD Jun 11 04:59:53 the 200 person room for BoFs in dublin was killer for any kind of real discussion Jun 11 05:00:09 Stskeeps: they were awesome! Jun 11 05:00:59 small rooms work well Jun 11 05:09:00 hrm Jun 11 05:09:19 just got hacked through twitter,or my system decided to telinit 1 by itslef Jun 11 05:09:21 odd Jun 11 05:09:55 there are some nasty spammer circulating in twitter, be ware :) Jun 11 05:10:04 spammer(s) Jun 11 05:11:21 * sivang changes passwords all over Jun 11 05:12:54 * sivang thinks chrome is tainted, reinstalls and clears all cache Jun 11 05:15:15 * sivang wonders if there's a new key shortcut for reboot on the terminal Jun 11 06:10:40 * Stskeeps ponders Jun 11 06:10:42 [ 340.565032] <13>uxlaunch[1695]: process -1 was killed by signal 9 Jun 11 06:14:03 git is currently broken Jun 11 06:14:13 is that a released version? Jun 11 06:14:38 trunk:testing Jun 11 06:14:46 i killed pulseaudio and uxlaunch went mad ;) Jun 11 06:14:52 ha Jun 11 06:15:18 can you pastebot your pulseaudio.desktop file (/etc/xdg/autostart...) ? Jun 11 06:17:16 http://pastie.org/2050916 Jun 11 06:17:33 er, yeah, from the 'cat' Jun 11 06:18:14 mk Jun 11 06:18:45 well, funky Jun 11 06:18:54 corefile might be nice to have Jun 11 06:19:00 or, a bt full Jun 11 06:19:11 doesn't core, interestingly, just loops Jun 11 06:19:15 unless you have corewatcher running, in which case I'll get it Jun 11 06:19:16 yeah, but let me replicate this on a less frankenstein image :P Jun 11 06:19:53 i'm doing a personal experiment to cut down meego core footprint so it fits with qmlviewer (and eventual qt5+wayland) in 128mb ram Jun 11 06:20:23 nice Jun 11 06:20:52 so forcing my n900 to have mem=128m in kernel :P Jun 11 06:21:07 just do cgroups Jun 11 06:21:22 move all of it into a container with a max mem limit Jun 11 06:21:55 :nod: adding mem=128m to cmdline works just as well and is closer to reality Jun 11 07:16:31 morning Jun 11 07:20:27 * Jay_BEE installs xbmc to the tablet, fires it up and faints Jun 11 07:21:07 ZOMG Jun 11 08:54:35 morning Jun 11 08:59:54 morning Jun 11 09:00:05 groaninggg Jun 11 09:00:34 hey w00t Jun 11 09:00:53 amjad_: sounds like morning is not agreeing with you ;) Jun 11 09:01:04 the only good morning is a dead one Jun 11 09:01:25 well in my part of world it is seista time now :) Jun 11 09:27:40 Does the Meego 1.2 SDK install? Jun 11 09:28:03 as mine is complaining about not being able to find sometihng or other Jun 11 09:28:39 Error during installation process(com.meego.sdk.targets.simulator.skin): Jun 11 09:28:39 Execution failed (Unexpected exit code: 100): "/home/simon/.config/meego.com/sdk/pm/pm install meego-sdk-qt-simulator-skin" Jun 11 09:29:52 hmm, whole thing is apparently broken Jun 11 09:30:13 I do like the way the progress bar rewinds when you cancel the installation though Jun 11 09:30:41 but that is probably the only positive feature Jun 11 09:34:58 lardman: mine won't install since my distro version isn't supported yet... it's only been here since March, after all :[ Jun 11 09:35:40 Ah I forgot I just upgraded to Ubuntu 11.04 on my netbook, perhaps that is the issue Jun 11 09:35:50 yup Jun 11 09:36:18 though the errors reported are not very clear really Jun 11 09:36:31 anyway I'm not sure I want the SDK Jun 11 09:37:14 this is all far more painful that it should be Jun 11 09:37:25 s/that/than Jun 11 09:37:37 I wonder if Meego.com employs anyone to look at documentation Jun 11 09:38:12 I guess I will need something other than the SDK if my app requires external libraries Jun 11 09:38:21 ones that I will also need to build for Meego Jun 11 09:38:22 ? Jun 11 09:38:51 lardman: what I did on Ubunu 11.04 is Jun 11 09:38:58 when you get the error message Jun 11 09:39:10 for example "/home/simon/.config/meego.com/sdk/pm/pm install meego-sdk-qt-simulator-skin" Jun 11 09:39:22 I did aptitude install meego-sdk-qt-simulator-skin Jun 11 09:39:35 and the "Retry" Jun 11 09:39:40 and it passes Jun 11 09:39:45 oh ok Jun 11 09:40:00 but you have to do it lots of times because it will fail for every packet Jun 11 09:40:06 yeah I saw that Jun 11 09:40:24 (as I might give up on the netbook and go back to the desktop which still has Ubuntu 10.10 Jun 11 09:40:52 but presumably for the external libs, I need to setup an obs account and build them there? Jun 11 09:41:44 you might also have to change the repo in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/meego-sdk Jun 11 09:41:59 mmmhhh, no idea for that Jun 11 09:42:25 I miss everything being encapsulated in e.g. sb Jun 11 09:42:54 if I ever work out how to do this I should write a guide for Maemo developers wanting to migrate Jun 11 09:49:26 hey we like this www.62bo.com Jun 11 09:51:08 doyoulikeit: is that spam? Jun 11 09:51:23 looks like it Jun 11 09:51:28 what spam? Jun 11 11:19:46 Code Gardening Jun 11 11:19:46 v. Jun 11 11:19:46 1. To cultivate a visually pleasing set of pixels. Jun 11 12:58:13 Le Mans starts in 2:30 mins Jun 11 12:58:48 * thiago_home is watching Jun 11 13:00:16 do they time the SC leaving with the chronometre? Jun 11 13:00:39 euro sports? Jun 11 13:00:45 yes Jun 11 13:01:06 there we go Jun 11 13:02:12 are all LMPs now closed cockpit? Jun 11 13:02:28 there's one open-top Jun 11 13:03:50 dad says that are all closed now and are heavier too Jun 11 13:04:09 maybe the opentop ones are LMP2 Jun 11 13:04:19 fuel pumps are slower than regular fuel pumps that we use Jun 11 13:04:22 * thiago_home likes the Aston Martins' numbers Jun 11 13:04:28 007 and 009? Jun 11 13:04:38 yeah, and 008 too Jun 11 13:04:49 we should be seeing the same thing on eursport just with different comentary Jun 11 13:05:24 yes, it's in norwegian here Jun 11 13:05:28 LMP2 are lighter and open aparantly Jun 11 13:05:39 (according to dad) Jun 11 13:10:40 noooo, not james bond Jun 11 13:11:10 007 is out... Jun 11 13:11:26 it's backwards in a gravel trip Jun 11 13:11:39 009 is having issues too Jun 11 13:11:44 do you get a commercial break now? Jun 11 13:11:51 yeah Jun 11 13:12:07 very arty audi A1 advert Jun 11 13:12:14 same here Jun 11 13:12:29 it's kinda cool watching the same thing as someone else in different places Jun 11 13:12:30 now rolex Jun 11 13:12:39 same Jun 11 13:12:52 well that wasn't a very nice thing to do that a biker Jun 11 13:13:22 ok, now I'm confused: if we're watching the same thing, is the bike race tomorrow 12:00 your time or mine? Jun 11 13:13:23 huh, Mtu actually looks okay in blue Jun 11 13:15:37 it's been 15 mins and people are already being lapped Jun 11 13:15:52 it's only been 3 laps Jun 11 13:20:31 must be weird driving the pro or am cars and being over taken at those speeds Jun 11 13:23:46 it gets always awesome during night and/or rain Jun 11 13:24:24 I know the LMP cars have white headlines and the GT cars have yelow Jun 11 13:25:32 that guy is flying Jun 11 13:28:12 went to the 24h race in Daytone, lots of fun Jun 11 13:28:28 god lord Jun 11 13:28:34 good* Jun 11 13:30:19 ah there is a stream Jun 11 13:30:23 how nice Jun 11 13:30:46 some of the racers have their own feeds Jun 11 13:31:34 yes this seems to be from 1 car Jun 11 13:32:13 no commentary, just scenery going by, and another car in front Jun 11 13:32:35 speedtv seems to have corvette sponsored stream Jun 11 13:32:43 pit stop Jun 11 13:32:48 yes thats the one I found Jun 11 13:32:49 * timakima doesn't have eurosport :P Jun 11 13:33:19 its amazing how eurosport isn't on canadian over-the-air TV :) Jun 11 13:33:42 it's not on over-the-air tv here either Jun 11 13:34:07 cable Jun 11 13:34:24 sky here (satellite) Jun 11 13:35:47 * thiago_home needs to go to the supermarket Jun 11 13:35:54 23 hours and 25 left. I think I have time. Jun 11 13:36:32 oh but the critical event will happen while you're shopping Jun 11 13:36:50 * thiago_home has live pause on his PVR Jun 11 13:37:11 get the stream on your phone :) Jun 11 13:37:37 the supermarket is 30 seconds away Jun 11 13:37:46 hmm... rain has picked up again Jun 11 13:37:50 will wait another 15 min Jun 11 13:38:14 this will be good for IVI, watch racing while you sit in a traffic jam Jun 11 13:39:18 that pink car will be easy to spot at night Jun 11 13:40:05 i took a nice photo of the cleanest car in the 24h Daytona race, broke down on the first lap Jun 11 13:41:12 cleanest as in no sponsoring? Jun 11 13:41:34 cleanest as in no bugs on no dirt on it Jun 11 13:42:42 I remember corvert pulled there cars into the bits to clean them before the final lap Jun 11 13:45:27 thiago_home: go go go Jun 11 13:48:58 the #73 is pretty much by himself most of the time Jun 11 13:50:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans Jun 11 13:50:56 just taking a weekend drive in teh countryside, very relaxing Jun 11 13:51:10 I should go some time Jun 11 13:51:14 my aunty lives in le mans Jun 11 13:51:28 yeah, what's your excuse for not being there ? Jun 11 13:51:38 I have many Jun 11 13:51:54 ok, looks like the rain has lessened again Jun 11 13:51:54 feck Jun 11 13:51:56 but wait... Jun 11 13:51:58 fucking hello Jun 11 13:52:08 CosmoHill: language Jun 11 13:52:21 that was an audi Jun 11 13:52:30 Stskeeps: sorry Jun 11 13:53:00 was that the GT1 leader he hit? Jun 11 13:53:40 driver's ok Jun 11 13:53:53 which audi team? Jun 11 13:53:59 audi audi Jun 11 13:54:04 * w00t got rained on Jun 11 13:54:05 a lot Jun 11 13:54:13 * w00t makes a vow to never go outside again Jun 11 13:54:20 no, it wasn't the GT1 leader Jun 11 13:54:25 the lights on the side weren't on Jun 11 13:55:32 that could have been a lot worse if that tyre had his nayone Jun 11 13:55:46 anyone* Jun 11 13:55:47 yeah Jun 11 13:56:01 camera man in the blue was so lucky Jun 11 14:05:57 ok, now I'm going to buy food Jun 11 14:18:15 we don't have eurosport 2 in HD here :( Jun 11 14:45:27 heh Jun 11 14:45:35 lbt: ?[?1953.857746]?serial8250:?too?much?work?for?irq4 Jun 11 14:45:42 10 bucks to guess where that one is from :) Jun 11 14:47:30 Ah,familiar! Jun 11 14:54:46 (that's from a OBS build.) Jun 11 15:04:10 hello Jun 11 15:04:36 hi Jun 11 15:07:56 i had a look at the irc logs for running meego on a amd fusion cpu , i would have to compile for source or is their a unofficial meego 1.2 amd port Jun 11 15:09:47 does fusion have SSSE3? Jun 11 15:10:18 yep Jun 11 15:10:28 if so, you shouldn't need to compile from source, but you may have to do hardware adaptation for graphics Jun 11 15:10:41 meego is tune for core2, SSSE3 Jun 11 15:11:14 DawnFoster, any details on the bit about TSG nominations for the CO meeting next week? Jun 11 15:11:34 GAN900: wiki page lists them Jun 11 15:11:43 sec Jun 11 15:12:29 I saw the CO office nominations, but didn't see anything obvious on the wiki. Jun 11 15:12:33 http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Proposed_CO_Nominations_June2011 - the TSG of Jaffa was added by mikhas, think that might be wrong area Jun 11 15:12:41 it's linked in http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings Jun 11 15:12:52 can only nominate for meetings that actually happen Jun 11 15:12:58 point Jun 11 15:13:48 well, let's see Jun 11 15:15:42 there still is a TSG? or is that a rumor too ? Jun 11 15:16:00 allix: can you do this.... cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags Jun 11 15:16:04 dunno, truth is it's us people at the floor that runs the show anyway ;) Jun 11 15:16:35 more than ever Jun 11 15:16:42 allix: Also, "intel graphics" has been a MeeGo x86 requirement in the past. Jun 11 15:16:58 dad left us first, but mom only drinks these days Jun 11 15:16:59 that's a little more vague :) Jun 11 15:17:31 gabrbedd: people have mentioned success with netbook+nvidia drivers+xorg with xinerama at least Jun 11 15:18:05 Stskeeps: ok, thx Jun 11 15:19:20 gabrbedd, i am not currently on the machine at the moment, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd_fusion#.22Ontario.22_.2840nm.29 All models support: SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4a, NX bit, AMD64, PowerNow!, AMD-V Jun 11 15:20:47 allix: ok... I was just double-checking. We get all kinds in here. :-) Jun 11 15:21:42 hehe, i can imagine Jun 11 15:23:05 the device is the acer iconia w500 tablet Jun 11 15:25:27 hi! there is an application to chat on irc for meego? Jun 11 15:26:04 which build? Jun 11 15:26:33 sorry lcuk netbook one Jun 11 15:26:40 1.2 Jun 11 15:26:59 last stable avaible i think Jun 11 15:27:01 xhcat is on the repositories Jun 11 15:27:09 somewhere Jun 11 15:27:15 hold on Jun 11 15:27:43 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP#Outline Jun 11 15:27:56 the info to get at the repository that timoph setup is there I believe :) Jun 11 15:28:11 and fingers crossed, that should have xchat within once you add that repo Jun 11 15:30:08 meego chat integration library won't work? found in Add/Remove Software :) Jun 11 15:32:05 ahel, xchat is a good irc client, i am using it now :) Jun 11 15:37:01 allix: you also have obtained it following that ^^ page? Jun 11 15:43:01 ok done it :) ty Jun 11 16:02:46 that green car did very well Jun 11 16:05:29 its amazing how often the RNG picks me to win an ipad Jun 11 16:06:56 Me too! Jun 11 16:07:13 I've got a couple of hundred of them by now as free gifts and special offers. Jun 11 16:07:37 I'm using them to keep the mud down in the garden. If you crush them and scatter them on paths, it works well Jun 11 16:08:19 you extract the rare earth materials first, I hope Jun 11 16:35:44 in meego netbook, there is an internet search option Jun 11 16:36:04 how come the browser is not preloaded for things like this? Jun 11 17:00:09 hello all Jun 11 17:00:40 I'm trying to install meego 2 on a netbook. When I try to boot the image I get an error: mount: /dev/loop2: can't read superblock Jun 11 17:00:42 any ideas? Jun 11 17:03:29 after resuming meego2 won't load anymore the Network Panel on the top Jun 11 17:03:45 everything is unclickable Jun 11 17:05:06 csgeek2: what is your loop2 device? Jun 11 17:06:34 i have restarted but it's the same thing! Jun 11 17:06:53 it won't store back my network :'( Jun 11 17:08:45 I have no idea.. the usb thumb drive that's trying to boot? Jun 11 17:09:07 Jaffa: ping Jun 11 17:23:23 hmm.. okay. I have meego setup now, just no wireless sadly Jun 11 17:42:02 csgeek2: yesterday was the same for me. Jun 11 17:42:03 hiho Jun 11 17:42:20 hope any1 is able to hel me... Jun 11 17:42:25 csgeek2: what driver do you need? Jun 11 17:42:36 g00fy: speack Jun 11 17:42:45 *speak Jun 11 17:42:51 since release of meego 1.2 i'm no more able to use wifi Jun 11 17:43:00 asus eeepc 1000 Jun 11 17:43:15 wifi works so far, it recognizes wireless networks Jun 11 17:43:19 g00fy: downgrade! Jun 11 17:43:22 report a bug Jun 11 17:43:26 but when i'm trying to connect, nothing happens Jun 11 17:43:31 :P Jun 11 17:43:39 best way to get things fixed Jun 11 17:43:55 Stskeeps: before I start a bug report i'm willing to ask the community Jun 11 17:44:18 bugs are usually better :) Jun 11 17:44:24 and i thought irc would be the fastest way ^ Jun 11 17:44:34 we have people triaging acively Jun 11 17:45:15 soooo many bugs found already... uuuh., gonna be hell lot of work -__-' Jun 11 17:45:40 Stskeeps: do you know how to say in english that a button is unclickable, gray and so on.. Jun 11 17:46:13 guess you mean "disabled" :) Jun 11 17:46:18 right Jun 11 17:47:42 ahah ty guys :) i'm hungry "P Jun 11 17:48:08 you're lucky Jun 11 17:48:16 I'm currently sittin at McDon Jun 11 17:48:31 * g00fy throws a cheese burger at ahel Jun 11 17:48:39 :D Jun 11 17:49:11 ty g00fy but i don't eat _that_ stuff :P Jun 11 17:49:29 what about some tomatoes from spain? xD Jun 11 17:50:19 hi everyone Jun 11 17:50:29 there is someone here Jun 11 17:50:36 pasta e polpette dall'italia mate :P Jun 11 17:50:40 hi mister / miss x Jun 11 17:50:42 g00fy: ^^ Jun 11 17:50:55 ciao italiano Jun 11 17:51:10 mister Jun 11 17:51:13 sry, i'm not that good in italian language Jun 11 17:51:16 hehe :) ciao anche a te user_ Jun 11 17:51:40 g00fy: i said i prefear a good dish of pasta :) Jun 11 17:52:07 i prefer pizza Jun 11 17:52:16 bacon Jun 11 17:52:37 but there is some games project for meego to join? Jun 11 17:53:03 brb (changing 2 another client) Jun 11 17:53:29 * CosmoHill tries BSD tar Jun 11 17:57:22 baaaaaah Jun 11 17:57:22 sorry i am on xchat on n900 and tou Jun 11 17:57:31 forgot about mibbit blocking Jun 11 17:57:37 >__< Jun 11 17:57:56 how can find meego games channel? Jun 11 18:05:34 oookay, adding bnc ^^ Jun 11 18:05:36 brb Jun 11 18:08:56 hey boy i first time use irc but noone write or my client don't work well? Jun 11 18:09:08 There isn't a meego games channel. Jun 11 18:09:11 4xx users and noone write Jun 11 18:09:15 As far as I k now. Jun 11 18:09:34 thanks so Jun 11 18:10:33 however why noone talk if are online more than 400 users? Jun 11 18:11:02 they're busy doing soemthign else probably Jun 11 18:11:18 ok sorry Jun 11 18:11:39 * CosmoHill can't find out where to download star Jun 11 18:14:00 yeah, it works :D Jun 11 18:14:15 yeeeeeah Jun 11 18:17:50 am I still on??? Jun 11 18:18:00 o_O Jun 11 18:18:20 what is the problem? Jun 11 18:18:37 nothing ^^ Jun 11 18:18:47 it just was quite silent Jun 11 18:19:27 yes it was Jun 11 18:20:43 the silence might be because it's a weekend evening Jun 11 18:21:59 indeed Jun 11 18:22:43 there's certainly a bunch of people who get paid for working on meego, so they're more inclined to gather motivation here during work hours of their work weeks ;P Jun 11 18:24:42 See also the wiki and mailing lists. Jun 11 18:24:59 At the moment a lot of attention is going on getting the basic bits of meego up and working well. Jun 11 18:25:17 You've pretty much got to get that stable, and working, before starting to think about games. Jun 11 18:26:04 people are already doing games, at least Jun 11 18:27:58 whatever... i'm gonna use the remainig weekend :) Jun 11 18:28:00 see ya Jun 11 18:28:02 unless you target netbook, getting hw might be out of reach of most tho Jun 11 18:28:50 I guess the only easily available ones are the lenovo and exopc Jun 11 18:29:33 for tablet, and n900 for handset Jun 11 18:30:24 kind of makes games hard, since all of those aren't really target hw Jun 11 18:30:32 err.. none Jun 11 18:44:55 Where do i find a recent tablet image for the ideapad? Jun 11 18:45:01 One of these: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/images/ Jun 11 18:45:03 ? Jun 11 18:45:22 pinetrail, i think Jun 11 18:45:25 (if i recall correctly) Jun 11 18:46:05 Thanks, will give one a try ... Jun 11 18:46:47 yeah, it's pinetrail Jun 11 19:25:09 hmmp... For some reason I'm unable to install the latest tablet stable and testing to my exopc Jun 11 19:25:32 sage eep Jun 11 19:26:37 1.2.0.90.x that is Jun 11 19:26:44 that's not 'stable' Jun 11 19:26:57 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.3.20110610.1/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ Jun 11 19:27:04 maligor: it says stable in URL so it must be :D Jun 11 19:27:54 snapshots and stable seems contradictory to me Jun 11 19:28:23 maligor: well tablet hasn't ever been released as "stable" or "gold" images yet. 1.2.0 didn't include tablet ux release Jun 11 19:29:16 I know, I even had access to them before public drop :P Jun 11 19:29:52 but the non-release setups sometimes will fail to start Jun 11 19:30:26 I have tried to install 3 different images alraedy 4 times each and all failed :) Jun 11 19:30:59 either my exopc is broken or the installation is broken :/ Jun 11 19:31:03 Sage, does the live boot work? Jun 11 19:31:13 ie can you get to the UI by just inserting usb key? Jun 11 19:31:14 Sage, you should note that the exopc setup has a issue tho Jun 11 19:31:24 it'll fail x times when you boot it up Jun 11 19:31:43 we have a few of those at work, and it's certainly consistent Jun 11 19:31:46 maligor: well that is separete issue. This halt happens in the very end Jun 11 19:31:57 oh, ok Jun 11 19:32:16 never used the exopc's myself Jun 11 19:32:19 It is already installing stuff to the disk and I see status bar. And that goes to the end and it halts there Jun 11 19:32:32 "Copying live image to hard drive" Jun 11 19:32:34 any dmesG? Jun 11 19:34:59 lbt: pong Jun 11 19:36:52 Stskeeps: well, not sure how to get out of the installer :) Jun 11 19:37:11 I don't have keyboard at hand currently Jun 11 19:39:08 and my lenovo N5901 doesn't have F1-F12 keys ;) Jun 11 19:40:16 good old keybord wins every time, instead of silly wireless ones Jun 11 19:41:15 looks like a dinovo mini in some ways Jun 11 19:45:58 lcuk: trying that now Jun 11 19:47:01 lcuk: yes live boot works Jun 11 19:48:11 Sage, curious Jun 11 19:48:57 * Sage tries the liveinst after booting Jun 11 19:49:33 eh, it doesn't find the ssd :P Jun 11 19:51:42 ah needed to start it as root Jun 11 19:57:05 still not working :/ Jun 11 19:57:17 Stskeeps: dmesg didn't give any clues Jun 11 19:57:29 no errors etc Jun 11 19:59:53 Sage, is it a personal exopc or just happen to be working in the weekend?-) Jun 11 20:01:24 I think the last pinetrail images I tried were very early ones from either of the 1.2.xx or 1.2.0.xx series Jun 11 20:01:31 maligor: well didn't have anything else to do so wanted to try how it looks now :) Jun 11 20:01:58 the 1.2.0 wouldn't 'look' very different Jun 11 20:02:12 * Sage wonders why ext4 isn't option when doing partitions with installer Jun 11 20:02:14 if I understand the versioning right Jun 11 20:02:27 Sage, because meego people are mad with brtfs Jun 11 20:02:32 err.. btrfs Jun 11 20:02:39 that is not a good reason :) Jun 11 20:02:49 there is vfat, ext3 and some others already Jun 11 20:02:52 ext4 is considered to be Bad(tm) Jun 11 20:03:09 berndhs, as opposed to btrfs being Good(tm)?-) Jun 11 20:03:22 something along those lines, yes Jun 11 20:03:27 I've had my workstation trigger kernel panics a few times because of it Jun 11 20:03:36 until I decided to blacklist btrfs Jun 11 20:03:40 i forget why, but ext is missing on purpose, its not an accident Jun 11 20:03:47 ext4 Jun 11 20:04:14 ext certainly never was focused on ssd use Jun 11 20:05:14 but I've seen a bunch of oopses from btrfs in target systems so... Jun 11 20:05:25 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12814#c1 <- apparently ext4 is not supported and will not be supported during installation Jun 11 20:05:28 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug 12814 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, INDE, [FEA] Meego kernel lacks ext4 driver Jun 11 20:05:28 Bug 12814 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, INDE, [FEA] Meego kernel lacks ext4 driver Jun 11 20:15:18 Sage: I think some (most?) device manufacturers prefer a full-auto install with no questions asked Jun 11 20:16:07 berndhs, on tablets? Jun 11 20:16:08 berndhs: well, if the image is for device manufacturer then it is different story as it probably comes as preinstalled to device anyway Jun 11 20:16:50 yeah, they might have a usb recovery setup or something tho Jun 11 20:17:15 sure but people who work on this stuff for a living might prefer to use something close to what the actual customers will use Jun 11 20:17:29 by "customers" i mean manufacturers, not end users Jun 11 20:17:46 berndhs, well.. that depends a lot Jun 11 20:18:04 just saying this is where some of it comes from Jun 11 20:18:11 mostly if the "customers" are interested in modifying the software stack themselves or not Jun 11 20:18:28 and what the view point is :P Jun 11 20:18:37 it Jun 11 20:18:58 it's not my view point :) Jun 11 20:20:11 berndhs: also any manufacturer that wants to use meego will probably do their custom images anyway as they want their logos etc to them Jun 11 20:20:21 sure Jun 11 20:20:40 you won't buy the IVI in a BMW with a meego label Jun 11 20:21:30 Sage, well... it always depends on where you're in the ecosystem ;P Jun 11 20:21:53 sun has set in Le Mans Jun 11 20:22:05 like if you're writing middleware for some intel customer Jun 11 20:28:06 wtf? bug #1234 Jun 11 20:28:08 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 nor, Medium, ---, wu.zheng, RESO INVALID, [Calpella notebook] No bluetooth device driver Jun 11 20:28:08 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 nor, Medium, ---, wu.zheng, RESO INVALID, [Calpella notebook] No bluetooth device driver Jun 11 20:28:21 /kick _MeeGoBot_ Jun 11 20:30:50 dm8tbr: would you like to sort hat ? Jun 11 20:31:07 DocScrutinizer: indeed :) Jun 11 20:31:12 that meegobot schizo issue Jun 11 20:32:10 yay, got the right one Jun 11 20:32:14 hehe Jun 11 20:32:38 rebooted that box lately, probably made a mistake while starting it or so Jun 11 20:35:19 DocScrutinizer, are you by chance helping to test the n900-ce ? Jun 11 20:38:05 lcuk: that been a question or a request? Jun 11 20:44:04 DocScrutinizer, both Jun 11 20:45:30 DocScrutinizer, early next week I think we might be able to get maemo contacts imported on first boot Jun 11 20:46:00 so that when you are testing meego it is not blank, it opens more discussion for importing data and apps Jun 11 20:46:48 might give the whole process a try Jun 11 20:46:53 just maemo exports? Jun 11 20:47:19 starting with "where to start" Jun 11 20:48:02 maligor, well what other contacts would you have already on your n900? Jun 11 20:48:06 seems channel topic doesn't provide a proper pointer to any startpoint Jun 11 20:48:46 http://wiki.meego.com/N900DE Jun 11 20:49:01 download latest image from: http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/ Jun 11 20:49:10 lcuk, I guess sim cards would be a very generic point of importing contact data from :) Jun 11 20:49:13 dd it onto microsd Jun 11 20:49:36 even if the data format it has is rather silly these days Jun 11 20:49:44 maligor, the contact cards on maemo itself are exported in vcard format Jun 11 20:50:04 so it is quite standard, this is just an easy step to filling some data Jun 11 20:50:21 and at least opens up discussion windows for a more complete import Jun 11 20:50:40 ofcourse, always have to start from somewhere Jun 11 20:50:52 * lcuk nods Jun 11 20:51:02 and this is quite a nice one :) Jun 11 20:51:30 KISS approach too, just a check if the contacts were exported and bring them in :) Jun 11 20:52:29 DocScrutinizer, dd the image to microsd, then flasher3.0 the kernel and boot Jun 11 20:52:46 battery lasts on par with maemo so far Jun 11 20:52:57 if not better because there are no desktop widgets yet! Jun 11 20:53:12 anyway, movie time Jun 11 20:53:14 nn Jun 11 20:53:50 lcuk, yeah, I'm a big fan of KISS, even if sometimes contradicts with the inner elitist in me Jun 11 20:58:06 lcuk: flash kernel? o.O Jun 11 20:58:20 you mean "get uBoot?" Jun 11 20:58:57 lcuk, I've only ever just dd'ed the image to the sdcard Jun 11 20:59:13 (not going to flash any proprietary kernel that's not supposed to be incompatible with maemo) Jun 11 20:59:23 lcuk, but I suspect the n900's I've used were prepared for booting off sd Jun 11 20:59:26 yes, uboot means flasher isn't necessary Jun 11 20:59:30 DocScrutinizer: proprietary? Jun 11 20:59:34 s/ inco/ co/ Jun 11 20:59:35 DocScrutinizer meant: (not going to flash any proprietary kernel that's not supposed to be compatible with maemo) Jun 11 21:00:29 w00t: NFC what's that "flash kernel" meant to do - well maybe I actually got a clue, just want to make sure. Jun 11 21:01:06 flasher can either reflash your kernel, or be used to load a given kernel Jun 11 21:01:11 (without actually flashing it) Jun 11 21:01:24 w00t: NB I'm also "evaluating the process" even when it's generic advice given in IRC Jun 11 21:02:08 w00t: I'm aware of the different options of flasher, yes Jun 11 21:02:33 w00t: would like a better explanation of what *meego* install does to my system Jun 11 21:02:37 what does it use if it isn't das uboot? Jun 11 21:02:44 it doesn't, because it's not installed Jun 11 21:02:47 it's put on an SD card Jun 11 21:03:31 maligor: without uboot, you need flasher to load the right kernel, afaik Jun 11 21:03:47 was just wondering what bootloader it uses without Jun 11 21:03:53 nolo Jun 11 21:04:13 so is meego still supposed to get "chainloaded" from maemo, by loading new kernel to RAM? Or is the setup so you can boot from uSD via uBoot? Jun 11 21:04:18 even both? Jun 11 21:04:32 nokia propietary huh Jun 11 21:04:44 DocScrutinizer: I don't know about the former, the latter works, and is what I use Jun 11 21:05:04 ok Jun 11 21:05:22 I'll give it a try eventually. HAve to find a free uSD Jun 11 21:07:57 the n900's I've used were setup to try to boot the kernel from sd first (they all had uboot) Jun 11 21:08:24 never used a out of the box n900 Jun 11 21:12:22 that's not a good basement for a comprehensive comparison to get an idea what's user experience for those who usually do exactly that Jun 11 21:13:55 (seen the "I works like a charm on my quad core devel station" syndrome way too often in my life...) Jun 11 21:14:24 oh, my background is in messing with embedded hardware Jun 11 21:14:35 including writing bootloaders Jun 11 21:15:06 it's just that the n900 in my case was never the target hardware itself, but just a convenient test subject ;P Jun 11 21:15:22 probably little use to compare your new bootloader to the OOTB user experience ;-D Jun 11 21:16:24 yes, I never got any replies to it, people don't seem to have jtags Jun 11 21:16:40 rarely ever, yeah :-P Jun 11 21:17:11 I mostly did it to install debian on it that didn't require kexec or rubbish like that Jun 11 21:17:30 so it's not like I really care if anyone else ever did use it Jun 11 21:17:31 which is known to fail anyway Jun 11 21:17:36 (kexec) Jun 11 21:18:25 well, we could get a script called kexec that calls falsher-3.5 ;-D Jun 11 21:20:10 well, in this case it did work, it's just so inelegant Jun 11 21:23:49 oh, working kexec on N900? which kernel? which system? Jun 11 21:24:49 a completely different arm Jun 11 21:25:08 and it wasn't kexec, but a hack Jun 11 22:52:12 Anyone here know if I can test meego on a Thinkpad T61? Jun 11 22:52:41 you should be able to, yes Jun 11 22:52:53 even without installing using a liveboot image (netbook) Jun 11 22:53:12 Wuu! I am DL the image now. Just wanted to be sure Jun 11 22:53:26 By the screens it looks like an os I might want to keep Jun 11 22:53:28 afaik t61's have intel GFX so you're good there Jun 11 22:53:33 wireless should be ok too Jun 11 22:53:49 Nice Jun 11 22:53:59 Thanks for the info sofar Jun 12 00:26:36 I seem to have some trouble running the live cd on my thinkpad t61. It gives me an error saying "Not mounted or bad option" Jun 12 00:26:44 Anyone know a way around this? Jun 12 00:32:56 Sundance_Kid: What's the CPU and graphics card on your T61? And which live image are you trying? Jun 12 00:35:12 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo , Intel GMA X3100 Jun 12 00:35:22 Meego with chrome Jun 12 00:35:24 1.2 Jun 12 00:39:14 Sundance_Kid: Is this a pop-up window after you boot? Or is this in a console? Jun 12 00:40:56 console, as soon as I restart to boot in to the usb, I get the menu that allow me to boot meego, install, or boot from hd. When I click Meego it goes black and some text pop up saying not mounted or bad option. Jun 12 00:42:14 hmmm Jun 12 00:44:50 Indeed, I made the usb on ubuntu 10.10 using image writer Jun 12 00:45:00 ?? Jun 12 00:45:10 I thought you said you did a live cd? Jun 12 00:45:42 Im sorry. I meant to say live usb. my bad Jun 12 00:45:44 Did you use the same image writer that you use to create Ubuntu disks? Jun 12 00:47:01 No I got it after reading on the installation guide on the meego page Jun 12 00:47:10 ok. that's good. Jun 12 00:47:12 Normally I use Unetbootin Jun 12 00:47:55 If you had used Ubuntu's thing that would have been the problem. Dunno if Unetbootin knows how to do Meego properly. Jun 12 00:48:23 It could be a "bad burn"... errors on the drive. Jun 12 00:48:39 Some usb drives are worse about it than others. Jun 12 00:48:58 Is there a specific format the drive should be in? Fat or NTSF Jun 12 00:48:59 Maybe also try a different USB port on your computer. I have no real reason to suggest this -- but you never know. Jun 12 00:49:20 No... it's a low-level, byte-for-byte copy. Jun 12 00:49:40 If you've ever used `dd` in Linux... that's actually how most dev do it. Jun 12 00:50:11 Hmmm... I will burn it again on the usb and retry. Jun 12 00:53:09 After it's done... make give it about 60-90 seconds just to be sure. Jun 12 00:53:19 I'm going to watch a movie with the family. Jun 12 00:53:21 Godspeed!! Jun 12 00:53:23 :-) Jun 12 00:53:50 Thanx Jun 12 00:53:51 =) Jun 12 01:23:32 dd, sync, eject Jun 12 01:26:38 sync;sync;sync Jun 12 01:27:30 heard that's obsolete nowadays Jun 12 01:27:56 they fixed sync around 2005 ;-) Jun 12 01:28:05 can't be too careful Jun 12 01:28:47 ctrl-sysrq-whatever gets a workout sometimes too. Jun 12 01:28:54 err - alt Jun 12 01:28:57 sync sometimes takes minutes here to return ;-D Jun 12 01:29:37 try sync to the cloud, could take days Jun 12 02:17:14 Yeah.... but I wasn't sure if he was more of an end-user-type or not. Jun 12 02:17:46 I feel guilty when I say `oh yeah, just dd && sync && sleep 60 && sync` Jun 12 02:17:49 `duh` Jun 12 02:18:36 some flash drives are flat-out liars too. Jun 12 02:18:59 They say they're done... but they're not. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 12 02:59:56 2011