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Jun 16 03:21:35 <npm> what do i use in place of define Q_WS_MAEMO_5 for meego?
Jun 16 03:23:08 <iekku> huomenta
Jun 16 03:23:23 <iekku> morning even
Jun 16 03:23:51 <npm> decides the answer must be Q_WS_X11
Jun 16 03:31:33 <berndhs> evening iekku
Jun 16 03:31:44 <timoph> morning
Jun 16 03:31:51 <timoph> hmmh
Jun 16 03:34:06 <timoph> is this encrypto guy some failing script
Jun 16 03:34:28 <berndhs> looks like it
Jun 16 04:07:38 <sofar> if he starts doing that again I'll drop him on the ban list for a few days
Jun 16 04:08:12 <sofar> there's plenty of people dcing here, but every minute makes this channel unusable... so
Jun 16 04:16:07 <timoph> yep
Jun 16 04:52:27 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
Jun 16 04:56:22 <DocScrutinizer> mhm, good to have chanlog. Guess he's on a wireless connection
Jun 16 05:07:31 <iekku> hi, extra CORE bug triage starting in the #meego-bugs
Jun 16 05:34:01 <Jay_BEE> howdy.
Jun 16 05:34:04 <Stskeeps> morn
Jun 16 05:39:44 <Jay_BEE> Q: wrt meego 1.2 builds, what's the difference between the 1.2.0.90 and 1.2.80 builds?
Jun 16 05:40:03 <Stskeeps> 1.2.80 is what becomes 1.3
Jun 16 05:40:08 <Stskeeps> 1.2.0.90 is what becomes 1.2.1
Jun 16 05:40:18 <Jay_BEE> ahh, thanks
Jun 16 05:40:32 <Stskeeps> 1.2.80 is kind of the wild west atm ;)
Jun 16 05:40:32 <sofar> MeeGoBot: buildnumbers?
Jun 16 05:40:34 <MeeGoBot> sofar: Sorry, I've no idea what 'buildnumbers' might be.
Jun 16 05:40:50 <Jay_BEE> wild west... hehe
Jun 16 05:40:53 <Stskeeps> infobot: buildnumbers?
Jun 16 05:41:03 <sofar> MeeGoBot: buildnumbers is 1.2.0.80+ is what becomes 1.2.1, 1.2.80.x is what becomes 1.3
Jun 16 05:41:05 <MeeGoBot> sofar: ok
Jun 16 05:41:19 <sofar> infobot: ask meegobot what buildnumbers is
Jun 16 05:41:44 <sofar> ~buildnumbers
Jun 16 05:41:48 <sofar> ?buildnumbers
Jun 16 05:41:52 <sofar> sigh
Jun 16 05:42:00 <sofar> buildnumbers?
Jun 16 05:42:05 <sofar> useless bots...
Jun 16 05:42:14 <Stskeeps> MeeGoBot: buildnumbers?
Jun 16 05:42:15 <MeeGoBot> Stskeeps: I seem to recall that buildnumbers is 1.2.0.80+ is what becomes 1.2.1, 1.2.80.x is what becomes 1.3
Jun 16 06:55:12 <bkalinga> which is the MeeGo tablet available in the market that supports MeeGo1.2
Jun 16 06:58:15 <Jaffa> bkalinga: The WeTab in Germany runs a MeeGo 1.1-based OS; and they're moving it up to MeeGo 1.2-based
Jun 16 07:01:08 <bkalinga> can i buy that in India
Jun 16 07:02:11 <bkalinga> any MeeGo supported handheld device other than Nokia N900? is there in the Market
Jun 16 07:03:06 <Jay_BEE> http://wiki.meego.com/devices
Jun 16 07:03:10 <lbt_nur> where can we see a summary of 1.2.1 vs 1.2.0 planned changes?
Jun 16 07:03:39 <Stskeeps> lbt_nur: bugzilla, possibly for core
Jun 16 07:03:59 <Stskeeps> lbt_nur: tablet ux is a reference ux so they kinda just add stuff atm
Jun 16 07:04:03 <vgrade> MeeGo meeting tonight, Dusseldorf, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1522
Jun 16 07:04:36 <Stskeeps> lbt_nur: any specific use case?
Jun 16 07:04:38 <lbt_nur> ta Stskeeps; we'll mainly be interested in the lower/middleware
Jun 16 07:04:54 <lbt_nur> I had understood 1.2.1 to be a "tablet release"
Jun 16 07:05:08 <Stskeeps> there's release plans on wiki too
Jun 16 07:05:15 <Stskeeps> right, well, not exclusively, i think
Jun 16 07:05:31 <lbt_nur> yeah... but they're schedules rather than feature plans
Jun 16 07:05:36 <Stskeeps> riht
Jun 16 07:05:44 <lbt_nur> key issues are that 1.2.0 is not doing the fastboot stuff
Jun 16 07:05:52 <lbt_nur> and we're looking for a stable base
Jun 16 07:06:00 <Stskeeps> fastboot? you mean systemd?
Jun 16 07:06:07 <lbt_nur> sorry ... brainfade
Jun 16 07:06:09 <lbt_nur> yes
Jun 16 07:06:14 <Stskeeps> well, that's a 1.3 thing
Jun 16 07:06:18 <sofar> duh
Jun 16 07:06:21 <Stskeeps> and very invasive :)
Jun 16 07:06:29 <sofar> there's no way you can do systemd in a 1.2 branch
Jun 16 07:06:35 <sofar> it's like weeks of work for just the base
Jun 16 07:06:47 <lbt_nur> sofar: safer to ask
Jun 16 07:06:50 <Stskeeps> but auke's right - 1.2 is in a feature freeze/only bug fixes go in
Jun 16 07:06:54 <Stskeeps> even on 1.2.1
Jun 16 07:06:58 <Stskeeps> for core/ivi
Jun 16 07:07:02 <sofar> we're going to have to almost entirely redo the tablet UX way of starting things in the future
Jun 16 07:07:15 <lbt_nur> *nod* ... that's useful
Jun 16 07:07:17 <sofar> for 1.3/1.4+
Jun 16 07:07:18 <lbt_nur> robtaylor: ping
Jun 16 07:07:40 <Stskeeps> i already quite like 1.3 for doing stuff, systemd really simplifies a lot of activities
Jun 16 07:07:48 <sofar> 1.2 is frozen for features entirely, basically
Jun 16 07:07:58 <lbt_nur> agreed but we want a stable base
Jun 16 07:08:05 <Stskeeps> which 1.2 technically is :P
Jun 16 07:08:10 <sofar> we now need to get all the 1.2 tablet ux changes back in 1.3
Jun 16 07:08:30 <sofar> 1.3 will be stable in several months, lol ;)
Jun 16 07:09:56 <lbt_nur> Stskeeps: yes ... so when we're building on top we don't expect to see regressions appear due to api changes
Jun 16 07:10:15 <Stskeeps> lbt_nur: :nod:
Jun 16 07:10:21 * lbt_nur wonders about kernel plans for 1.2.1
Jun 16 07:10:30 <Stskeeps> same as 1.2, probably
Jun 16 07:11:16 <Stskeeps> adaptation kernel policy is fairly relaxed
Jun 16 07:11:41 <lbt_nur> OK - thanks - these are not iss
Jun 16 07:11:53 <lbt_nur> ues I've been tracking up to now :)
Jun 16 07:11:57 <vvaltone> you mean you want linux 3.0 in your meego because it has a bigger major version number? :P
Jun 16 07:12:44 <lbt_nur> vvaltone: of course
Jun 16 07:12:56 <Stskeeps> higher is ok, lesser is problematic
Jun 16 07:13:05 <sofar> lbt_nur: who's 'we' ?
Jun 16 07:13:32 <lbt_nur> sofar: I'm working with some nice guys at Teleca as well for a while
Jun 16 07:14:01 <lbt_nur> we're planning the integration processes
Jun 16 07:14:11 <lbt_nur> and it helps to know how dynamic the baseline is
Jun 16 07:15:30 <Stskeeps> systemd on top of 1.2 wouldn't be compliant, at least, personally if i was doing it, i would develop stack on top of 1.2 while maintaining a branch on top of 1.3
Jun 16 07:16:05 <Stskeeps> 1.2 for the sake you can develop apps and middleware with ease, 1.3 for platform level things
Jun 16 07:16:42 <sofar> 1.2 compliance isn't done yet, is it?
Jun 16 07:16:55 <sofar> but yeah, most likely compliance will list chkconfig as requirement, lol
Jun 16 07:17:11 <Stskeeps> it isn't, but a major core difference from what's released in 1.2 would just screw up the landscape :)
Jun 16 07:18:06 * sofar goes to bed
Jun 16 07:18:09 <Stskeeps> nite sofar
Jun 16 07:19:08 <lbt_nur> night
Jun 16 07:19:40 <Stskeeps> lbt_nur: someone messed up immensely somewhere if ABI/API changes in the compliance set got in, at least - or even in the wider set
Jun 16 07:20:09 <Stskeeps> into 1.2 or 1.2.1
Jun 16 07:21:27 <lbt_nur> Stskeeps: in general I'd expect feature changes to open the door to some level of api change - agreed that significant breakage wouldn't be expected
Jun 16 07:21:58 <Stskeeps> lbt_nur: generally new features don't make it in, except the stuff about EDS
Jun 16 07:22:00 <lbt_nur> tracking 1.3 would probably introduce api changes
Jun 16 07:22:05 <Stskeeps> yes, it would
Jun 16 07:22:08 <Stskeeps> but so it should :P
Jun 16 07:22:33 <lbt_nur> *nod* ... so I misunderstood the comments about 1.2.1 at the conference
Jun 16 07:22:44 <lbt_nur> probably because I didn't care too much at the time :)
Jun 16 07:22:56 <Stskeeps> there was a long discussion on meego-releases@
Jun 16 07:23:03 <Stskeeps> that explains it quite well, along with the wiki page
Jun 16 07:23:14 <lbt_nur> OK -I'll take a look at the archives
Jun 16 07:23:16 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2
Jun 16 07:23:24 <Stskeeps> it's not just a schedule, explains stuff too
Jun 16 07:26:03 <lbt_nur> *nod*
Jun 16 07:26:59 <lbt_nur> I was looking for feature plans - having understood 1.2.1 to have certain new features for the tablet area
Jun 16 07:27:13 <Stskeeps> it does, but that's in the tablet space
Jun 16 07:27:19 <Stskeeps> ie, stuff not part of core
Jun 16 07:27:31 <Stskeeps> so just in the 'reference ux'
Jun 16 07:27:41 <Stskeeps> 1.2 didn't officially have a tablet release :)
Jun 16 07:28:42 <lbt_nur> it would be good to see - to be able to say "these are the features - please verify they will not impact plans"
Jun 16 07:29:03 <lbt_nur> but... meeting now.... bbiab
Jun 16 07:44:18 <sln> Hi all, I have 1 git repo and several different qt apps in it, each in own subfolder. Is it possible to create 1 yaml for generating several packages without intermediate Makefile in root of my repo?
Jun 16 07:53:42 <bkalinga> http://pastebin.com/giyMaGN2
Jun 16 07:54:06 <bkalinga> Not able to start qt assistant
Jun 16 08:24:57 <Jay_BEE> gn
Jun 16 08:28:04 <bkalinga> it seems my qt assistant is broken in my set up
Jun 16 08:28:11 <bkalinga> how can i patch it up
Jun 16 08:28:48 <bkalinga> Could not load translation file assistant_en_IN in directory /usr/share/qt4/translations
Jun 16 08:28:54 <bkalinga> Could not load translation file qt_en_IN in directory /usr/share/qt4/translations.
Jun 16 08:29:02 <bkalinga> Error reading collection file '/home/kalinga/.local/share/data/Trolltech/Assistant/qthelpcollection_4.7.2.qhc': Cannot load sqlite database driver!.
Jun 16 09:34:38 <robtaylor> lbt_nur: pong
Jun 16 09:58:33 <lbt_nur> hey robtaylor
Jun 16 09:59:06 <lbt_nur> I was just asking questions about baselines and 1.2.1 and 1.2.0 earlier
Jun 16 09:59:22 <lbt_nur> some of the discussions should be releavant
Jun 16 11:58:48 <ali1234> has anyone seen problems with the ideapad battery and wifi?
Jun 16 11:59:10 <ali1234> last time i reinstalled meego, after it was done the ideapad turned off and wouldn't turn on again using only battery
Jun 16 11:59:42 <ali1234> i booted up meego on ac and it said the battery was at 0% and not charging
Jun 16 12:00:00 <ali1234> after i powered off, unplugged, and replugged the battery it worked fine
Jun 16 12:00:06 <ali1234> but my wifi has not worked since
Jun 16 12:02:07 <ali1234> actually the wifi works and is detected but appears as permanently disabled in the meego ui
Jun 16 12:02:17 <slaine> ali1234: You might have to go into the BIOS and rest to defaults
Jun 16 12:02:30 <slaine> I had a similar wifi problem not long after meegoconf dublin
Jun 16 12:02:44 <ali1234> ok, i'll try it
Jun 16 12:04:00 <ali1234> slaine: that worked, thanks
Jun 16 12:04:05 <slaine> cool
Jun 16 12:04:47 <ali1234> btw, i am still fighting against uncompilable packages
Jun 16 12:05:23 <ali1234> eg https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14307
Jun 16 12:05:26 <MeeGoBot> Bug 14307 nor, Medium, ---, kai.chai, RESO WORKSFORME, kernel build with rpmbuild fails during prep
Jun 16 12:05:45 <ali1234> despite being marked "works for me" this package still cannot be compiled with rpmbuild on a real meego install
Jun 16 12:06:03 <ali1234> i'm thinking about a way to automate the test
Jun 16 12:06:11 <ali1234> something like:
Jun 16 12:06:22 <ali1234> 1. record the list of installed packages
Jun 16 12:06:31 <ali1234> 2. zypper si <package>
Jun 16 12:06:38 <ali1234> 3. rpmbuild <package>
Jun 16 12:06:49 <ali1234> 4. remove any packages not in the list stored at 1
Jun 16 12:07:04 <slaine> Don't forget to get the <package> build deps
Jun 16 12:07:12 <ali1234> zypper si installs build deps
Jun 16 12:07:17 <slaine> ah ok
Jun 16 12:07:29 <ali1234> there's -d and -D for only deps and only package, respectively
Jun 16 12:07:36 <ali1234> oh it might be the other way around
Jun 16 12:07:54 <ali1234> anyway point is, after rpmbuild i want to remove any deps that zypper si installed
Jun 16 12:08:01 <ali1234> otherwise i won't catch rpms with missing deps
Jun 16 12:08:54 <lcuk> ali1234,
Jun 16 12:08:57 <lcuk> the battery thing
Jun 16 12:08:59 <ali1234> yes?
Jun 16 12:09:03 <lcuk> I have encountered it once
Jun 16 12:09:09 <ali1234> battery and wifi thing almost certainly related
Jun 16 12:09:11 <lcuk> and when I booted up wifi was off too
Jun 16 12:09:21 <ali1234> corrupt bios settings will do that
Jun 16 12:09:23 <lcuk> it only cured after I went into bios, reset to default and saved
Jun 16 12:09:26 <lcuk> yeah
Jun 16 12:09:35 <ali1234> yeah, already been there, done that :)
Jun 16 12:09:40 <lcuk> do not think it is meego related
Jun 16 12:09:45 <ali1234> probably not, no
Jun 16 12:10:18 <ali1234> i mean if anything it would be a kernel bug
Jun 16 12:10:26 <ali1234> something to do with power down
Jun 16 12:10:34 <ali1234> but more likely it's a bios bug
Jun 16 12:11:03 <lcuk> ali1234, thankfully ideapad on default bios is ok
Jun 16 12:11:19 <lcuk> for a while on other computers i had a load of settings ticked and changed
Jun 16 12:11:34 <lcuk> and would dislike having to setup again after reset to default
Jun 16 12:11:39 <ali1234> yeah
Jun 16 12:11:40 * lcuk really likes ideapad
Jun 16 12:11:56 <ali1234> i like it too
Jun 16 12:12:01 <ali1234> the only thing i don't like is the weight
Jun 16 12:12:06 <lcuk> but it is too big to do everything and n900 has better writing input :)
Jun 16 12:12:10 <ali1234> it's too heavy to use as a tablet :(
Jun 16 12:12:14 <lcuk> nahh
Jun 16 12:12:27 <ali1234> i can't stand to use the n900 any more
Jun 16 12:12:31 <lcuk> I have a 20" allinone desktop monitor/pc (packard bell onetwo)
Jun 16 12:12:33 <ali1234> the resistive touchscreen is just horrible to use
Jun 16 12:12:35 <lcuk> THAT is too heavy for tablet use
Jun 16 12:12:48 <lcuk> ali1234, I write on my n900 every day
Jun 16 12:12:52 <lcuk> it is dreamy
Jun 16 12:12:52 <ali1234> i use my c7 if i want to use something like that
Jun 16 12:13:01 <ali1234> resistive screens just need to go away
Jun 16 12:13:09 <lcuk> best most accurate touch sensor for resistive I have ever had
Jun 16 12:13:17 <ali1234> that's not saying much
Jun 16 12:13:22 <lcuk> ali1234, depends on utility I suppose
Jun 16 12:13:27 <lcuk> I like to write on it
Jun 16 12:13:27 <ali1234> with resistive you have to press so hard that accuracy goes out the window
Jun 16 12:13:38 <lcuk> stylus point is sharp
Jun 16 12:13:44 <lcuk> and does not require much pressure :)
Jun 16 12:13:48 <lcuk> like pencil drawing
Jun 16 12:13:52 <ali1234> i don't use a stylus
Jun 16 12:14:09 <lcuk> and you are expecting it to work as a capacitive
Jun 16 12:14:13 <ali1234> i find hand writing uncomfortable and annoying
Jun 16 12:14:16 <lcuk> I use my resistive screen as intended
Jun 16 12:14:21 <ali1234> but we've been here before
Jun 16 12:14:29 * lcuk sees people with styluses and plectrums all over
Jun 16 12:14:30 <lcuk> :)
Jun 16 12:14:52 <lcuk> yes ali1234
Jun 16 12:15:16 <lcuk> and then as now: a dual mode screen with best from capacitive and also accuracy of resistive would be good
Jun 16 12:15:24 <ali1234> sure
Jun 16 12:15:29 <lcuk> so that I can still accurately write
Jun 16 12:15:33 * lcuk looks at noteslate
Jun 16 12:15:40 <ali1234> well, there's that device that has exactly that
Jun 16 12:15:47 <ali1234> with special capacitive stylus
Jun 16 12:15:51 <lcuk> no
Jun 16 12:15:53 <ali1234> i think it's a HTC?
Jun 16 12:15:59 <lcuk> capacitive stylus does not make up for accuracy
Jun 16 12:16:05 <ali1234> yes it does
Jun 16 12:16:07 <lcuk> it is like writing with a crayon
Jun 16 12:16:17 <lcuk> fat and imprecise
Jun 16 12:16:37 <lcuk> or writing with a paintbrush
Jun 16 12:16:40 <RST38h> Should try electrically charged needles
Jun 16 12:16:46 * lcuk prefers a quill or fountain pen
Jun 16 12:16:58 <RST38h> Preferably glowing in the dark with the St Elmo fire
Jun 16 12:17:42 <lcuk> RST38h, a variable sword
Jun 16 12:19:01 <ali1234> htc flyer
Jun 16 12:19:29 <lcuk> Variable Sword - An ultra-thin wire of molecular monofilament, made rigid and protected by a stasis field, forming a nearly invisible (and extremely sharp) blade. The wire can be extended to varying lengths (hence the name) and has a glowing red ball to mark the end of the blade.
Jun 16 12:19:47 <RST38h> too complex
Jun 16 12:19:53 <berndhs> clay tablets are still the way to go
Jun 16 12:21:00 <lcuk> berndhs, heh
Jun 16 12:21:12 <lcuk> my ideapad is the size and wight of a clay tablet :P
Jun 16 12:21:16 <lcuk> weight
Jun 16 12:21:37 * lcuk has written some rules for house with it :O
Jun 16 12:22:05 <berndhs> yeah but if you bake it, does the writing become permanent?
Jun 16 12:22:32 <lcuk> berndhs, probably
Jun 16 12:23:49 <berndhs> how about a white background and dry erase markers ?
Jun 16 12:24:42 <lcuk> berndhs, works for me
Jun 16 12:24:47 <lcuk> my x41 had a pen stylus
Jun 16 12:24:50 <lcuk> which worked well
Jun 16 12:24:59 <lcuk> but i cannot afford another one just yet
Jun 16 12:25:19 <lcuk> and I would want dual mode because capacitive at 10" is nice
Jun 16 13:59:33 <justme> \msg lbt_nur
Jun 16 16:21:28 <jbos> sage ping
Jun 16 16:21:53 <npm> IMHO, the  meego tablet "ondemand" cpu throttling really makes it sluggish... including just scrolling panels around
Jun 16 16:22:14 <npm> as soon as i turn it to performance mode, everything works nice
Jun 16 16:22:15 <jbos> why is in core group some kde mobile packages?
Jun 16 16:22:34 <jbos> and kde maintainer has no idea where and what they are?!
Jun 16 16:22:43 <npm> seems like the ondemand throttling on the CPU needs to be made more responsive
Jun 16 16:34:13 <jbos> sage http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vhv5AlEBgBgJ:lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-packaging/2011-January/246461.html+MEEGO+CORE+kdemobile&cd=2&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.de
Jun 16 16:34:27 <jbos> i dont think it was intended for vcore vertical
Jun 16 16:34:30 <BlueAidan> anyone using meego on dell's inspiron duo?
Jun 16 16:34:30 <jbos> ;)
Jun 16 16:35:03 <BlueAidan> the touchscreen isn't working for me
Jun 16 16:38:06 <gabrbedd> BlueAidan: what version of meego are you using?
Jun 16 16:38:25 <BlueAidan> tried the 1.2 image
Jun 16 16:39:11 <BlueAidan> fwiw, it seems like ubuntu 11.04 is having issues with it too... most posts online say you have to add a quirk bit to the kernel boot line
Jun 16 16:40:20 <gabrbedd> BlueAidan: there's more than one 1.2 image... try installing the kernel-adaptation-pinetrail kernel.
Jun 16 16:40:29 <BlueAidan> xorg mentions egalax in the logfile on ubuntu.
Jun 16 16:40:34 <BlueAidan> ok, I'll give that a shot
Jun 16 16:41:20 <BlueAidan> this seems to be related: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=17967
Jun 16 16:41:33 <BlueAidan> I'll give that image a go later this week though
Jun 16 16:45:12 <gabrbedd> BlueAidan: Looks like that won't solve it.
Jun 16 16:45:33 <gabrbedd> BlueAidan: look in your Xorg file.  Is the touchscreen being associated with the 'mtev' driver?
Jun 16 16:45:46 <gabrbedd> BlueAidan: If not... that's probably the problem.
Jun 16 16:46:02 <BlueAidan> I don't have the meego image handy; just ubuntu 11.04. and I left the power cord at work. ;)
Jun 16 16:46:04 <gabrbedd> BlueAidan: Might take some tweaking of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d file
Jun 16 16:46:24 <BlueAidan> wish the dock would get here
Jun 16 16:46:52 <gabrbedd> BlueAidan: My bet is that the kernel driver in kernel-adaptation-pinetrail is good... and that it's an X11 config issue.
Jun 16 17:29:55 <Sage> jbos: pong
Jun 16 17:36:22 * CosmoHill cackles as a £3500 license lands in his inbox
Jun 16 17:36:47 <maligor> I could send you one too, how do you want to pay it?
Jun 16 17:38:55 * CosmoHill hands maligor a lcuk 
Jun 16 17:39:00 <CosmoHill> slave labour okay?
Jun 16 17:39:25 <maligor> lcuky me
Jun 16 17:40:12 * lcuk runs away
Jun 16 17:40:51 <lcuk> CosmoHill, the weather outside my house: http://liqbase.net/20110614_002.mp4
Jun 16 17:41:40 <CosmoHill> that is sweet
Jun 16 17:42:56 <lcuk> CosmoHill, it is amusing
Jun 16 17:43:03 <lcuk> and grows each time I tag something as weather
Jun 16 17:43:08 <CosmoHill> could be a cool screen saver
Jun 16 17:43:20 <lcuk> i have a similar fish tank too
Jun 16 17:43:22 <CosmoHill> oo, the screen saver is the current weather in your location?
Jun 16 17:43:28 <lcuk> with all my drawn fish sketches
Jun 16 17:43:33 <lcuk> but some of them swim backwards :S
Jun 16 17:43:50 <lcuk> CosmoHill, not right now
Jun 16 17:43:58 <lcuk> but it is a piece of liq*
Jun 16 17:46:37 <sofar> lcuk: lol
Jun 16 17:47:41 <blindfish> wow, just find out the browser can select text now, works pretty nice
Jun 16 17:47:49 <lcuk> incase you thought I was joking http://liqbase.net/20110614_003.mp4
Jun 16 17:48:15 <CosmoHill> it's just an image going from left to right when it should be the other way around
Jun 16 17:48:30 <CosmoHill> on a side note your website is on a good server
Jun 16 17:49:00 <lcuk> CosmoHill, not images, vector sketches
Jun 16 17:49:11 <lcuk> but yes somebody (tracy) drew hers backwards
Jun 16 18:20:59 <Sage> wow, the installation problem has been solved.
Jun 16 18:21:15 * Sage is going to test the latest tablet snapshot on exopc
Jun 16 18:21:41 <jedix> what installation problem?
Jun 16 18:22:11 <alterego> Sage: let me know how well it works :)
Jun 16 18:22:58 <Sage> bug 18557
Jun 16 18:23:02 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18557 cri, High, ---, chengwei.yang, RELE FIXED, Installation freezes during live image copy
Jun 16 18:23:07 <Sage> jedix: ^
Jun 16 18:24:19 <jedix> that would indeed be a problem.
Jun 16 18:28:29 <Sage> lol
Jun 16 18:29:16 <Sage> can't login two accounts if the username is same but the type is different (facebook, gmail, jabber ...) ;D
Jun 16 18:30:32 <Sage> bugs.meego.com down?
Jun 16 18:32:02 <alterego> cwap .. How do you close meego ux apps?
Jun 16 18:32:03 <Stskeeps> worksforme
Jun 16 18:32:10 <Stskeeps> alterego: blue button backspace on n900
Jun 16 18:32:29 <lcuk> sage uppy downy, saw the wiki flicker a minute ago
Jun 16 18:32:31 <alterego> Ah, thanks :)
Jun 16 18:32:52 <timoph> xournal works in ce
Jun 16 18:33:13 <timoph> just needed to install libgnomecanvas first
Jun 16 18:34:49 <lcuk> timoph, :D
Jun 16 18:35:17 * timoph is drawing smily faces with it
Jun 16 18:36:30 <lcuk> timoph, some smiley motivation: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110608_234327.mytags.scr.png
Jun 16 18:36:37 <lcuk> a whole gallery of them :D
Jun 16 18:36:57 <timoph> :D
Jun 16 18:37:43 <Stskeeps> OBS seems to be flickering a bit too
Jun 16 18:38:53 <lcuk> timoph, are these test apps being put towards the meego apps stuff?
Jun 16 18:39:06 <lcuk> ie will they be available once we have a downloader app for folks
Jun 16 18:39:24 <timoph> currently they're just in my home project
Jun 16 18:39:26 <lcuk> and as for xournal, did you use hte maemo version or native gtk original?
Jun 16 18:39:34 <timoph> hmmh
Jun 16 18:39:36 <lcuk> timoph, your home is an awesome place for apps :)
Jun 16 18:39:40 <timoph> can't remember :)
Jun 16 18:40:01 <lcuk> araujo, yes they are on a rollercoaster
Jun 16 18:40:36 <araujo> lcuk, what did you do this time?
Jun 16 18:40:37 <araujo> :P
Jun 16 18:40:48 <lcuk> wasn't me!
Jun 16 18:44:03 <alterego> lcuk: I'm still laking a decent idea for this weekend :/
Jun 16 18:44:11 <alterego> lcuk: I hope they give out freebies too :P
Jun 16 18:44:22 <Sage> what is the username for the facebook chat in the tablet ux image? Is it the email or realname or something else?
Jun 16 18:44:22 <lcuk> i am still lacking a contacts import :P
Jun 16 18:44:33 <alterego> I'm doing it now! :P
Jun 16 18:44:38 <Texrat> hola
Jun 16 18:44:44 <alterego> Hey Texrat
Jun 16 18:44:46 <lcuk> oh shit, its Texrat
Jun 16 18:44:47 <timoph> Texrat: o/
Jun 16 18:44:51 <Texrat> and I don't want to know what alterego is doing
Jun 16 18:44:52 <lcuk> now we know why the servers are down
Jun 16 18:44:55 <timoph> lcuk: hide!
Jun 16 18:45:01 <Texrat> probably TMI
Jun 16 18:45:02 <lcuk> and put the gambling tables and hookers away
Jun 16 18:45:06 <Texrat> sigh
Jun 16 18:45:07 <alterego> Texrat: How's life without a phone?
Jun 16 18:45:12 <lcuk> err actually, lets just move the gambling
Jun 16 18:45:12 <Texrat> I came here for fun dammit
Jun 16 18:45:14 <timoph> :)
Jun 16 18:45:18 <Texrat> lol alterego
Jun 16 18:45:31 <Texrat> I'm going nuts thinking there may be a job offer on it :D
Jun 16 18:46:02 <Stskeeps> 'lo Texrat
Jun 16 18:46:15 <Texrat> hey keepsie
Jun 16 18:46:16 <timoph> btw, was there some easy way to take screenshots in ce?
Jun 16 18:46:23 <alterego> Texrat: my phone call today went really well I think :)
Jun 16 18:46:29 <timoph> or do we need a screenshot app? :p
Jun 16 18:46:30 <alterego> timoph: I'm working on that too ..
Jun 16 18:46:32 <Texrat> awesome alterego
Jun 16 18:46:38 <timoph> alterego: cool
Jun 16 18:46:43 <Texrat> I hate doing it that way, but better than nothing!
Jun 16 18:46:44 <lcuk>       As meego (ssh meego@192.168.2.15):
Jun 16 18:46:44 <lcuk>       export DISPLAY=:0 && gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot_`date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S`.png
Jun 16 18:46:44 <lcuk>       In computer:
Jun 16 18:46:44 <lcuk>       scp meego@192.168.2.15:/home/meego/screenshot.png ~/Desktop
Jun 16 18:46:56 * Texrat kicks lcuk
Jun 16 18:47:08 <timoph> lcuk: thanks
Jun 16 18:47:10 <alterego> lcuk: you stole my script! :P
Jun 16 18:47:17 <alterego> Though mine auto uploads to a remote server :P
Jun 16 18:47:23 <lcuk> alterego, I made the script handily reachable when people ask
Jun 16 18:48:09 * lcuk still thinks proper screenshot should be universal keycombo
Jun 16 18:48:14 <Texrat> I am on a boring server move conference for work
Jun 16 18:48:24 <Texrat> needed a diversion
Jun 16 18:48:27 * phunguy agrees with lcuk
Jun 16 18:48:30 <lcuk> Texrat, mrs Rat not around to check for messageds
Jun 16 18:48:42 <lcuk> -d
Jun 16 18:48:46 <Texrat> lcuk she can't understand my E71
Jun 16 18:48:59 * alterego wonders who "@SuedeMutant" is
Jun 16 18:49:33 <lcuk> Texrat, how do I add some followers
Jun 16 18:49:49 <Texrat> lcuk in twitter?
Jun 16 18:49:52 <lcuk> on twitter, it is hovering near 400
Jun 16 18:50:12 <Texrat> lcuk there are several techniques... share interesting news for one
Jun 16 18:50:27 <Texrat> also retweet a lot
Jun 16 18:50:51 <Texrat> and address high profile twitterers by name.  If they reply, you get a lot of attention
Jun 16 18:51:03 <Texrat> heck I now have a few famous people following my account
Jun 16 18:51:15 <Texrat> not even sure why!
Jun 16 18:51:43 <lcuk> heh yeah all normal stuff
Jun 16 18:51:58 <lcuk> i keep getting ux folks mostly
Jun 16 18:51:59 <Texrat> if someone with a lot of followers retweets or replies to you, odds are you will pick up several followers
Jun 16 18:52:14 <Texrat> lcuk you need to broaden the scope of what you share
Jun 16 18:52:23 <lcuk> i did
Jun 16 18:52:29 <lcuk> i just twittered about wanting cleaning elves
Jun 16 18:52:30 <Texrat> I do sports, social issues, arts and film, etc
Jun 16 18:52:40 <lcuk> :D arts is good indeed
Jun 16 18:52:52 <lcuk> lots of new folks when I got guided tour around #IntelRemastered :D
Jun 16 18:52:52 <Texrat> anyway you asked, and that's it in a nutshell
Jun 16 18:52:59 <Texrat> I don't make a special effort
Jun 16 18:53:00 * lcuk knows and thanks
Jun 16 18:53:12 <Texrat> I pick up TONS of followers during conferences
Jun 16 18:53:15 <lcuk> conversation is important everywhere
Jun 16 18:53:22 <Texrat> tweeting ongoing stuff
Jun 16 18:53:40 <lcuk> i picked up a metric boat load in February
Jun 16 18:54:45 <lcuk> Texrat, would you wear sandles with or without socks?
Jun 16 18:55:08 <lcuk> sandalssandals even
Jun 16 18:55:33 <Texrat> I never wear sandals with socks
Jun 16 18:55:43 <Texrat> hell I rarely wear tennis shoes with socks
Jun 16 18:55:55 <timoph> lcuk: http://timoph.fi/xournal.png
Jun 16 18:56:18 <lcuk> timoph, now, imagine you are autograph hunting
Jun 16 18:56:26 <lcuk> a bunch of celebs are walking past
Jun 16 18:56:38 <lcuk> you have to get 5 autographs from each as they walk past
Jun 16 18:58:05 <timoph> yeah. that's the tool for it :)
Jun 16 18:58:06 <lcuk> actually that is a cool app "autograph maker"
Jun 16 18:58:50 <lcuk> timoph, at 2009 summit I gave device to a bunch of people and asked them to draw flowers
Jun 16 18:59:05 <lcuk> they are now (a little delayed) tagged and grouped correctly lol
Jun 16 18:59:10 * SpeedEvil has only 10 people following him.
Jun 16 18:59:23 <timoph> :D
Jun 16 18:59:26 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, what is your twitter account
Jun 16 18:59:29 <SpeedEvil> It is a hidden account though, which cannot be traced back to me.
Jun 16 18:59:36 <timoph> haha
Jun 16 19:00:05 <fiferboy> lcuk: I'm about to break 40 followers!
Jun 16 19:00:14 <Texrat> you go fiferboy
Jun 16 19:00:29 <lcuk> lets have a twitter fest then --->    http://twitter.com/lcuk
Jun 16 19:00:30 <alterego> I have 27
Jun 16 19:00:38 <alterego> I'm sure I don't say anything _that_ interesting anyway.
Jun 16 19:00:45 <Texrat> surrounded by amateurs :P
Jun 16 19:01:01 <alterego> I've had my twitter account for about 1 month
Jun 16 19:01:02 <alterego> :P
Jun 16 19:01:09 <lcuk> tracy used to block people who she did not know
Jun 16 19:01:11 <alterego> I'd say 5 a week isn't bad :D
Jun 16 19:01:26 <fiferboy> Texrat: What is your follower count?
Jun 16 19:01:30 <Texrat> at some point the follower list takes on a life of its own
Jun 16 19:01:44 <lcuk> yeah Texrat
Jun 16 19:01:46 <Texrat> fiferboy 797 last I checked
Jun 16 19:01:53 <fiferboy> Texrat: :O
Jun 16 19:02:03 <lcuk> you make bloggy posts and stuff too
Jun 16 19:02:09 * lcuk should also make a weblog
Jun 16 19:02:19 <Texrat> yeah but conferences pull in the most new people that stick
Jun 16 19:02:20 <lcuk> but I tend to waffle in here
Jun 16 19:02:41 <Texrat> while I tweeted during #MeeGoConf they were adding up like crazy
Jun 16 19:02:50 <Texrat> so that's another tool: hastags
Jun 16 19:02:58 <Texrat> hashtags*
Jun 16 19:02:59 <fiferboy> That is where I added about half my followers :/
Jun 16 19:03:27 <Texrat> if you include hashtags, a lot of people browsing those tags will see you
Jun 16 19:03:38 <Texrat> they otherwise would not
Jun 16 19:03:53 <Texrat> also participate in trending topic discussions
Jun 16 19:04:08 <alterego> Basically, whore your self out lcuk :P
Jun 16 19:04:23 <Texrat> if you post some outrage by [insert government here] you will get followers too :D
Jun 16 19:04:32 <Texrat> yeah what alterego said.  wait--
Jun 16 19:04:45 <sofar> move along to #meego-bar folks :P
Jun 16 19:04:53 <Texrat> :P
Jun 16 19:05:46 <alterego> Oh nice, there's some really cool info in ~/.oscrc
Jun 16 19:06:02 <alterego> I'd like: 'extra-pkgs = *.rpm' :D
Jun 16 19:06:24 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/grid/grid.png     <<<<< bonus points to guess just what this is
Jun 16 19:06:42 <Texrat> lcuk I'm guessing a grid
Jun 16 19:06:54 <alterego> Heh
Jun 16 19:06:56 <lcuk> what is the data though ;)
Jun 16 19:06:57 <alterego> IS it grid computing?
Jun 16 19:07:02 <Texrat> grid data
Jun 16 19:07:40 <Texrat> lcuk I am not sure it's loading right for me
Jun 16 19:07:45 <Texrat> so broken grid
Jun 16 19:07:53 <lcuk> Texrat, it is rather large
Jun 16 19:08:08 <fiferboy> It is rather WIDE, anyway
Jun 16 19:08:10 <lcuk> 32376*992
Jun 16 19:08:12 <Texrat> zoom is my friend
Jun 16 19:08:30 <lcuk> it is actually a snapshot from a running app
Jun 16 19:08:33 <alterego> Looks like it's a representation of your activity.
Jun 16 19:08:38 <lcuk> the app takes over 2 minutes from clicking to viewing
Jun 16 19:08:39 <Texrat> lcuk I see "smile", "hello"... tag cloud?
Jun 16 19:08:42 <alterego> Your liqbase history.
Jun 16 19:09:19 <lcuk> yes alterego every sketch/photo/screenshot/tag done in a grid based on days.  I can click on any cell to view the data it represents
Jun 16 19:09:21 <alterego> Indexed by month and subject
Jun 16 19:09:38 <alterego> Ah, month :)
Jun 16 19:09:49 <alterego> How does that fit on your N900 :P
Jun 16 19:10:14 <lcuk> alterego, that is the big daddy machine, it would happily run on the n900 I just never copied all the data over
Jun 16 19:10:35 <alterego> "big daddy machine" :P
Jun 16 19:10:46 <Texrat> on N900 you kinetic scroll until your finger falls off
Jun 16 19:10:50 <lcuk> alterego, yes the one containing all the data
Jun 16 19:11:01 <lcuk> Texrat, it does on the big device too :P
Jun 16 19:11:07 <alterego> Heh
Jun 16 19:11:25 <Texrat> pico projectors for the win
Jun 16 19:11:42 * lcuk finds a pico projector with 32768*992 resolution
Jun 16 19:11:52 <lcuk> super ultra awesome mega wide screen :D
Jun 16 19:11:54 <Texrat> Julien Fourgeaud created a pico projector rig that let's people play Angry Birds on the side of buildings
Jun 16 19:12:11 <lcuk> Texrat, pah, angry virds
Jun 16 19:12:13 <timoph> oh. that reminds me
Jun 16 19:12:13 <Texrat> lets*
Jun 16 19:12:23 <Texrat> well any game lcuk
Jun 16 19:12:25 <lcuk> onedotzero had that side of building thing ages ago :P
Jun 16 19:12:57 <alterego> lcuk: you just need 51 pico projectors and 51 N900's to drive them
Jun 16 19:13:02 <alterego> That would be the grid :P
Jun 16 19:13:10 <Texrat> lol alterego
Jun 16 19:13:20 <alterego> Lets round it to 50 and you can still do a little scrolling :P
Jun 16 19:13:20 <Texrat> crowdsourcing at its finest
Jun 16 19:13:34 <alterego> Oh scht
Jun 16 19:13:35 <timoph> Techical university guys played tetris on a building's windows
Jun 16 19:13:41 <timoph> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ril6OYSKD3A
Jun 16 19:13:44 <alterego> My girlfriend is coming back from Berlin tonight.
Jun 16 19:13:50 * alterego completely forgot :D
Jun 16 19:13:52 <Texrat> lucky you alterego
Jun 16 19:14:13 <Texrat> on the other hand I would like to SEND my wife
Jun 16 19:14:15 <lcuk> alterego, so a system to mesh together the outputs from various devices and run them in concert with each other
Jun 16 19:14:16 <lcuk> hmm
Jun 16 19:14:28 <Texrat> oh crap we have lcuk thinking now
Jun 16 19:14:30 <alterego> Yes
Jun 16 19:14:36 <lcuk> alterego, if you had contaacts importing in meego you would not have forgotten
Jun 16 19:14:37 <Texrat> I remmeber starting that in Amsterdam
Jun 16 19:14:48 <lcuk> Texrat, :)
Jun 16 19:14:49 <alterego> lcuk: I'm still working on it :P
Jun 16 19:14:55 <lcuk> well I made that work
Jun 16 19:15:09 <alterego> lcuk: just trying to get your script included in the package.
Jun 16 19:15:11 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdVqdfFdL3Q
Jun 16 19:15:12 <lcuk> :P
Jun 16 19:15:19 <lcuk> Texrat, ^^
Jun 16 19:15:29 <Texrat> there we were, about 6 guys huddled under my umbrella outside an Amsterdam bar, lcuk demoing liq-stuff...
Jun 16 19:15:55 <Texrat> his brain finally absorbs so many ideas he can't stand it, and runs off to his hotel room to code
Jun 16 19:15:56 <alterego> Heh
Jun 16 19:16:03 * lcuk guesses tomorrow will be similar
Jun 16 19:16:08 <lcuk> err saturday
Jun 16 19:16:12 <alterego> :)
Jun 16 19:16:14 <alterego> Lets hope
Jun 16 19:16:19 <alterego> I still don't have an idea.
Jun 16 19:16:25 <lcuk> i already have a whole set of thoughts
Jun 16 19:16:31 <Texrat> you usually do!
Jun 16 19:16:37 * lcuk prepared for things
Jun 16 19:16:54 <Texrat> feh, preparation is an idea KILLER
Jun 16 19:16:58 <Texrat> stay loose
Jun 16 19:17:04 <lcuk> Texrat, last few weeks I have been able to organise all my sketches into groups of tags :)
Jun 16 19:17:46 <Texrat> dammit we need another Amsterdam
Jun 16 19:17:53 <lcuk> really peaceful to actually tag and group in a whole sequence, its like playing a game
Jun 16 19:17:56 <Texrat> Dublin and SF okay, but...
Jun 16 19:18:03 <Ronksu> when was amsterdam?
Jun 16 19:18:08 <Texrat> 2009
Jun 16 19:18:10 <timoph> 2009?
Jun 16 19:18:11 <lcuk> in amsterdam as now, I need extra hands
Jun 16 19:18:12 <Texrat> Maemo Summit
Jun 16 19:18:28 <Texrat> yeah lcuk but the level of creativity we had...
Jun 16 19:18:38 <Texrat> it was magic
Jun 16 19:18:39 <lcuk> i know, I have the notes
Jun 16 19:18:43 <Texrat> lol
Jun 16 19:18:45 <timoph> I remember that because I didn't go because I decided to spend the money to preorder my n900...
Jun 16 19:18:47 <alterego> Heh
Jun 16 19:18:55 <lcuk> i had already gone out the night before and done stuff
Jun 16 19:18:58 <NGE01> I install meego 1.2-de on n900 I stitch the second time because it was not stitched from the first. I do on wiki? In what the problem can be?
Jun 16 19:18:59 * Texrat slaps timoph
Jun 16 19:19:01 <alterego> I tried to go but I ended up in Iceland
Jun 16 19:19:03 <alterego> Go figure ..
Jun 16 19:19:14 <lcuk> yes, mums go to iceland.
Jun 16 19:19:35 * timoph deserved that
Jun 16 19:19:47 * Texrat feels bad now about slapping timoph
Jun 16 19:19:49 <lcuk> timoph, hang on
Jun 16 19:19:57 <timoph> :)
Jun 16 19:20:09 <Stskeeps> i hope by god we won't get any preorder threads on tmo this time around
Jun 16 19:20:22 <Texrat> we need to start our own company that requires frequent global get-togethers
Jun 16 19:20:29 <lcuk> pr1.2 thread was/is the most awesome thread on tmo
Jun 16 19:20:38 <Texrat> lol stskeeps
Jun 16 19:20:43 <Texrat> Chuck Norris!!!!!!
Jun 16 19:20:46 <lcuk> it was the only time I believe we had people writing on body parts
Jun 16 19:20:49 <Stskeeps> (i still read tmo, but i don't participate)
Jun 16 19:20:56 <Stskeeps> (login erased, etc)
Jun 16 19:20:58 <lcuk> Stskeeps, cheat
Jun 16 19:21:00 <Texrat> figured as much stskeeps
Jun 16 19:21:14 <Texrat> after council term I may bail
Jun 16 19:21:45 * w00t_QtCS doesn't really go there
Jun 16 19:21:49 <lcuk> Texrat, :) did you know, alterego is making a little app to import all the maemo contacts details
Jun 16 19:21:52 <Texrat> my personal council goal was to get serious dialog going about just moving to meego, abut getting backlash on that
Jun 16 19:21:56 * alterego registers Stskeeps on tmo
Jun 16 19:22:00 <alterego> And let the fun begin!
Jun 16 19:22:02 <lcuk> so that when you bootup meego everyone you know is there
Jun 16 19:22:47 <Texrat> I plan to act as abill_uk's campaign manager and get him on next council
Jun 16 19:22:57 <Texrat> along with danramos
Jun 16 19:23:14 <lcuk> hahahaha
Jun 16 19:23:16 <lcuk> 	
Jun 16 19:23:16 <lcuk> zehjotkah Cosimo
Jun 16 19:23:16 <lcuk> @lcuk finally I found a wallpaper with the right resolution for my screen! ;)
Jun 16 19:23:18 <Stskeeps> Texrat: that did solve qole's trolling indeed (apologies qole, you know i mean this in jest)
Jun 16 19:23:23 <timoph> there's going to be a council after this one?
Jun 16 19:23:33 <Texrat> who knows timoph
Jun 16 19:23:36 <Stskeeps> timoph: it'll be like those weird exile governments
Jun 16 19:23:43 <Texrat> stskeeps which qole trolling?
Jun 16 19:23:59 <Stskeeps> Texrat: as in, he was much more calm after having been on council ;)
Jun 16 19:24:12 <Texrat> ah
Jun 16 19:24:24 <lcuk> 	
Jun 16 19:24:24 <lcuk> mightytonka Craig Tonks
Jun 16 19:24:24 <lcuk> @lcuk Holy Crap. That crashed my phone
Jun 16 19:24:25 <timoph> Texrat: I somewhat know the guy
Jun 16 19:24:28 <Texrat> it does sober one up
Jun 16 19:25:07 <Texrat> now i gotta really watch my mouth being on meego community office...
Jun 16 19:25:26 <Texrat> and of course qole took THAT and ran with it
Jun 16 19:25:33 <Stskeeps> what, you have to watch your mouth while being in a nominated role? :(
Jun 16 19:25:50 <Texrat> stskeeps you know people read *OFFICIAL* shit into that
Jun 16 19:25:55 <Stskeeps> heh
Jun 16 19:26:09 <Texrat> I already caught crap for things I said while on council
Jun 16 19:26:23 <Stskeeps> people nowadays think information from coffee beans is official
Jun 16 19:26:34 <Texrat> hell even as a moderator, ie, "moderators aren't supposed to participate in threads!"
Jun 16 19:26:34 <Stskeeps> "oh that ink blot looks like a N9"
Jun 16 19:26:37 <gabrbedd> Texrat: "When words are many, transgression is unavoidable." - the bible
Jun 16 19:26:44 <gabrbedd> :-P
Jun 16 19:26:58 * Texrat thwacks gabrbedd for daring to dispense wisdom here
Jun 16 19:27:13 * gabrbedd shields up!
Jun 16 19:27:34 <lcuk> Texrat, understandable really
Jun 16 19:27:43 <lcuk> for mainstream commenting I have this on my wall:
Jun 16 19:28:05 * Texrat diverts full power to forward torpedoes
Jun 16 19:28:08 <lcuk> http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/052011/how_to_leave_comments_on_the_internet.jpg
Jun 16 19:28:20 <Stskeeps> Texrat: time to get a alternative identity, like my abill_uk, just to spout crap
Jun 16 19:28:20 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 16 19:28:29 <Texrat> bwahahahahahahaaa
Jun 16 19:28:32 <Texrat> o what?
Jun 16 19:28:48 <timoph> lcuk: I need to print that :D
Jun 16 19:29:07 <alterego> Hah
Jun 16 19:29:13 <Texrat> the best alternate IDs argue with each other... we had a tmo guy do that a few years ago.  It was classic
Jun 16 19:29:14 <alterego> My alterego is now Stskeeps,
Jun 16 19:29:15 <lcuk> timoph, I did :) : http://liqbase.net/20110526_002.jpg
Jun 16 19:29:21 <alterego> For some reason it's free on maemo.org
Jun 16 19:29:24 * gabrbedd prepares countermeasures
Jun 16 19:29:26 <Texrat> my alterego is now alterego
Jun 16 19:29:54 * Texrat depoys counter-countermeasures
Jun 16 19:30:00 <alterego> We can't have two alteregoes that would just be confusing.
Jun 16 19:30:10 <Texrat> your point being?
Jun 16 19:30:12 <gabrbedd> depoys?
Jun 16 19:30:17 <Texrat> feh
Jun 16 19:30:19 <gabrbedd> oh
Jun 16 19:30:22 <Texrat> deLoys
Jun 16 19:30:25 <Texrat> ...
Jun 16 19:30:29 <alteralterego> meh
Jun 16 19:30:32 <gabrbedd> deCoys
Jun 16 19:30:39 <gabrbedd> deBoys
Jun 16 19:30:46 <gabrbedd> (or is that daBoys)
Jun 16 19:30:47 <berndhs> McCoys ?
Jun 16 19:30:49 <Texrat> apparently I fail at counter-countermeasures, and surrender to gabrbedd
Jun 16 19:30:58 <Texrat> enjoys
Jun 16 19:31:15 <berndhs> Hatfields ?
Jun 16 19:31:18 * gabrbedd sends a suicide away-team to negotiate terms of surrender
Jun 16 19:31:28 <Texrat> see we need this much fun at forum.meego.com
Jun 16 19:31:44 * Texrat notices high number of red shirts in gabrbedd's away team
Jun 16 19:31:48 <lcuk> apple bashing
Jun 16 19:31:49 <lcuk> http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/81442214550573057
Jun 16 19:31:52 <gabrbedd> away team: self-distruct on my mark.
Jun 16 19:31:53 <lcuk> great for a few followers
Jun 16 19:31:59 <gabrbedd> s/distruct/destruct/
Jun 16 19:32:00 <infobot> gabrbedd meant: away team: self-destruct on my mark.
Jun 16 19:32:08 <gabrbedd> away team: Engage!
Jun 16 19:32:31 <vldcnst> phaser out of power
Jun 16 19:32:32 * Texrat figures if gabrbedd's way team can't spell destruct then they can't do it, either
Jun 16 19:33:05 <gabrbedd> Texrat: Darn it!  I told them to take their little blue pills.
Jun 16 19:33:06 <lcuk> what is a way team?
Jun 16 19:33:11 * Texrat realizes gabrbedd's red-shirted away team is all Pakleds
Jun 16 19:33:23 <berndhs> a way team is like a road team
Jun 16 19:34:03 * gabrbedd charts a course for the Getworkdone System
Jun 16 19:34:57 <Texrat> gabbrbed's away team: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/STSamaritan.jpg/270px-STSamaritan.jpg
Jun 16 19:35:23 <vldcnst> ha!
Jun 16 19:35:43 <TSCHAKeee> http://xkcd.com/912/ <-- that, is so wrong...
Jun 16 19:36:00 <Stskeeps> TSCHAKeee: but so realisic
Jun 16 19:36:03 <Stskeeps> realistic
Jun 16 19:36:12 <TSCHAKeee> yuh huh.
Jun 16 19:36:37 <Texrat> safe for work?
Jun 16 19:36:39 <NGE01> I install meego 1.2-de on n900 I stitch the second time because it was not stitched from the first. I do on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC In what the problem can be?
Jun 16 19:36:39 <berndhs> gnu info is better than encryption sometimes
Jun 16 19:36:46 <timoph> lcuk: I already have this printed next to my work desk -> http://cdn.churchm.ag/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/if-programming-languages-were-essays1-620x1596.jpg
Jun 16 19:37:15 <gabrbedd> Texrat: :-)
Jun 16 19:37:37 <lcuk> :D
Jun 16 19:38:09 <gabrbedd> Texrat: yes, xkcd is usually SFW.
Jun 16 19:38:22 <lcuk> has xkcd ever been nsfw?
Jun 16 19:38:39 <lcuk> that would cause havok
Jun 16 19:38:48 <lcuk> since 99% of folks reading it are sysadmins
Jun 16 19:39:01 <Texrat> lcuk that never stops them
Jun 16 19:39:18 <Texrat> at TI the sysadmins had all the porn and caused all the viruses
Jun 16 19:39:47 <lcuk> that sounds more like jealousy :P
Jun 16 19:39:59 <Texrat> lol
Jun 16 19:40:07 <lcuk> its ermmm offline cache
Jun 16 19:40:14 <Texrat> man I can't believe how quiet the meego mailing lists have been
Jun 16 19:40:15 <lcuk> incase the internet breaks
Jun 16 19:40:24 <Texrat> a few months ago I couldn't keep up with them
Jun 16 19:40:55 <lcuk> we need to energise them with new stuff
Jun 16 19:41:05 <lcuk> "meego on Nintendo Wii"
Jun 16 19:41:09 <Texrat> agreed
Jun 16 19:41:20 <gabrbedd> lcuk: Well, xkcd is SFW... but often NSFMK
Jun 16 19:41:23 <Texrat> meego on supercomputers
Jun 16 19:41:27 <lcuk> which back in the day it was considered a hackable target
Jun 16 19:41:29 <berndhs> what's a good channel for help with httpd ? I broke mine
Jun 16 19:41:39 <lcuk> NSFMK?
Jun 16 19:41:49 <Texrat> Not Safe For My Kids
Jun 16 19:41:56 <lcuk> reasonable
Jun 16 19:41:57 <Texrat> Not safe For My Kitchen
Jun 16 19:42:00 <andyross> build.meego.com down for everyone?
Jun 16 19:42:15 <lcuk> *.meego.com is having a tantrum tonight
Jun 16 19:42:23 <lcuk> up and down
Jun 16 19:42:31 <Texrat> No Soup For Mad Kittens
Jun 16 19:42:34 <berndhs> andyross: no the site is up from here
Jun 16 19:42:40 <lcuk> and it ony gets worse as everybody asks everybody else "is *.meego.com donw
Jun 16 19:42:46 * Ronksu has been pondering about meego powered public bicycle system
Jun 16 19:42:56 <Stskeeps> Ronksu: +1
Jun 16 19:42:59 <timoph> andyross: works for me
Jun 16 19:43:01 <lcuk> Ronksu, for real?
Jun 16 19:43:19 <gabrbedd> andyross: works for me
Jun 16 19:43:20 <Ronksu> lcuk: well, for about one and half commutes of thinking so far
Jun 16 19:43:21 <lcuk> you mean the bike hire station computers or on the bikes themsevles?
Jun 16 19:43:27 <Stskeeps> Ronksu: you could mount a freerunner to each of them. noone in their right mind would steal it.
Jun 16 19:43:28 <Ronksu> oth
Jun 16 19:43:35 <Ronksu> *both
Jun 16 19:43:36 <alterego> Heh
Jun 16 19:43:39 <Texrat> Works For Me: the ultimate geek insult
Jun 16 19:43:58 <lcuk> Stskeeps, is there a system that you actually like?
Jun 16 19:44:00 <timoph> :D
Jun 16 19:44:06 <Texrat> "It must be you because it WORKS FOR ME"
Jun 16 19:44:07 <Ronksu> would be nice to have a small display that would point out stuff close to you, and whatever one could think to push there
Jun 16 19:44:12 <andyross> Yup, back up for me too.  I checked from work, home and linode.com -- I swear it went away! :)
Jun 16 19:44:13 <Stskeeps> lcuk: hw wise i'm quite fond of nook color
Jun 16 19:44:20 <npm> Ronksu: http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/Lugdulo%27V?content=129260
Jun 16 19:44:43 <gabrbedd> Texrat: Not an insult... an implied request for more info.
Jun 16 19:44:53 <Texrat> gabrbedd, trust me on this
Jun 16 19:45:01 <Texrat> you just have to use it appropriately
Jun 16 19:45:20 <lcuk> Stskeeps, what makes it stand out
Jun 16 19:45:26 <Texrat> drop a "works for me" into a heated bug debate
Jun 16 19:45:33 <Ronksu> npm: sweet
Jun 16 19:45:34 <Texrat> then stand back and watch the fur fly
Jun 16 19:45:35 <Stskeeps> lcuk: nice, simplistic, minimal, boots from microsd
Jun 16 19:45:35 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 16 19:45:55 <npm> where does one ask questions about the Intel App-UP store rules, and also contest rules
Jun 16 19:46:03 <Texrat> at appup :D
Jun 16 19:46:05 <Stskeeps> npm: app up forums?
Jun 16 19:46:10 <lcuk> Stskeeps, so what do you have running on it/
Jun 16 19:46:17 <npm> on irc?
Jun 16 19:46:26 <timoph> interwebs
Jun 16 19:46:43 <Stskeeps> lcuk: right now, mostly browser and ebook reader, but once qt5 serves my bidding, that and my n900 becomes wayland+meego experimentation area
Jun 16 19:46:51 <npm> i guess at the app-up preso they mentioned #meego-sdk but thart doesn't seem right
Jun 16 19:46:54 <lcuk> npm, you mean the accelerator program? http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/accelerator?cid=sw:social_newsletter_om
Jun 16 19:46:54 <Texrat> npm: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/
Jun 16 19:47:05 <lcuk> which offers funding etc
Jun 16 19:47:17 * lcuk can still not find out how much to sign away things
Jun 16 19:47:22 <Texrat> damn you lcuk for being so specific
Jun 16 19:47:27 <npm> no i meant if i'm making an app, and i plan to publish on app-up store, or entrer in contest...
Jun 16 19:47:38 <lcuk> Texrat, he mentioned competition and contest stuff too
Jun 16 19:47:42 <npm> is it against rules for it to enable "inappropriate content for minors"
Jun 16 19:47:46 <Texrat> kidding you lcuk
Jun 16 19:47:52 <npm> or is there some special section for such apps.
Jun 16 19:47:54 <Texrat> you made me look like an amateur
Jun 16 19:48:17 <lcuk> nay dir
Jun 16 19:48:27 <lcuk> you showed him the correct link
Jun 16 19:48:28 <Texrat> hyperlink posting competitions: geeks only need apply
Jun 16 19:48:30 <lcuk> nay sir*
Jun 16 19:48:56 <Texrat> I'll see your link and raise a redirect
Jun 16 19:52:16 <npm> http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/article/validation-guidelines which i only found by searching for pornographie (in french , not english)
Jun 16 19:52:30 <npm> 18+ not allowed... well that anwers that..
Jun 16 19:53:14 <npm> guess i can't include xtube with cutetube-qml port to tablet ux
Jun 16 19:53:48 <timoph> so no porn from appup. that just leaves the rest of the internet for distributing porn
Jun 16 19:53:50 * CosmoHill blinks, then takes notes
Jun 16 19:53:58 <npm> guess it has to pass the weiner test :-)
Jun 16 19:54:05 <timoph> :)
Jun 16 19:55:32 <gabrbedd> do the folks in europe know about the Sen. Weiner?
Jun 16 19:56:07 <npm> probably, i'm sure all the newspapers are laughing at the US for being such prudes.
Jun 16 19:56:29 <npm> compare to berluscone for example
Jun 16 19:57:12 <Texrat> I can't believe Weiner actually resigned.  Political correctness has run amuck
Jun 16 19:57:22 <Texrat> sending pics out is not a reisgnable offense
Jun 16 19:57:30 <Texrat> resignable*
Jun 16 19:57:35 <Texrat> if that's a word
Jun 16 19:57:44 <gabrbedd> npm: Reminds me of a line in the movie Dirty Rotten Scoundrels... "Making love to a beautiful woman? Yes, that is French.  Getting caught?  That is American."
Jun 16 19:57:44 <npm> pics of one's underwear... ooh!
Jun 16 19:57:57 <Texrat> but still: between him and his wife
Jun 16 19:58:12 <Texrat> this was not a real issue
Jun 16 19:58:28 <Texrat> we have congressman pullign all kinds of worse stunts
Jun 16 19:58:48 <Texrat> lol gabrbedd
Jun 16 19:59:08 <gabrbedd> Texrat: Senators acting like 13-year-old boys with cellphones -- yeah, I have a problem with that.
Jun 16 19:59:40 <npm> well that's the real deal.. it's a distraction. we're not talking about the republican whorehouse they setup in washington ( http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/09/brothel-hopping-republican-quiet-on-weiner/ )
Jun 16 19:59:52 <Texrat> gabrbedd having a problem with it is one thing-- it just doesn't warrant the current level of outrage
Jun 16 19:59:59 <Texrat> media overkill
Jun 16 20:00:12 <Texrat> and overreaction IMO by Weiner. what a wimp
Jun 16 20:00:32 <Texrat> lol npm-- exactly
Jun 16 20:01:09 <Texrat> distraction is exactly what it is
Jun 16 20:02:37 <gabrbedd> Texrat: He's a Democrat -- so that's redundant.
Jun 16 20:02:54 <gabrbedd> I haven't been following it close... but weren't some of them... UNWELCOME?
Jun 16 20:03:05 <gabrbedd> You've Got Text!
Jun 16 20:03:05 <npm> for example, several billions $$ were simply LOST in Iraq and Afghanistan... were not talkin about that http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ea6_1308237590
Jun 16 20:03:17 <Texrat> right npm
Jun 16 20:03:30 <lcuk> oh dear Texrat
Jun 16 20:03:31 <lcuk> http://twitter.com/lcuk
Jun 16 20:03:44 <lcuk> the pic I posted - loads of people are telling me its crashing their iphones
Jun 16 20:03:47 <npm> and that's on top of the hundreds of millions of cash that diseappeared... money that was earmarked for "bribes"
Jun 16 20:03:53 <lcuk> works great on opera on n900 :D
Jun 16 20:03:56 <Texrat> I can't access while at work lcuk
Jun 16 20:04:12 <lcuk> Texrat, the fun of something not working on their precious iphones :P
Jun 16 20:04:36 <lcuk> I am hearing complaints from folks :$
Jun 16 20:06:00 <timoph> :)
Jun 16 20:09:40 <timoph> looks like you found a critical bug
Jun 16 20:10:05 <Texrat> timoph somehow I'm not sure twitter will be sympathetic to lcuk :D
Jun 16 20:10:17 <timoph> :D
Jun 16 20:10:41 <Texrat> twitter to lcuk: "WTF???? *banned*"
Jun 16 20:10:45 <timoph> they should be. he's testing their app :D
Jun 16 20:10:54 <Texrat> STRESS testing!
Jun 16 20:10:59 <timoph> yep
Jun 16 20:11:29 <Texrat> they'll assume he's a @lulzsec wannabee
Jun 16 20:12:19 <lcuk> hey I just posted a photo
Jun 16 20:12:28 <lcuk> I didn't know there were so many apps available
Jun 16 20:12:33 <lcuk> err crapps
Jun 16 20:13:54 <lcuk> it crashes ipads too
Jun 16 20:14:34 <lcuk> oh deary me
Jun 16 20:14:44 <timoph> :D
Jun 16 20:15:16 <SpeedEvil> what is this image/
Jun 16 20:15:41 <lcuk> it is just a grid of the sketches made in liqbase
Jun 16 20:15:54 <Texrat> lcuk: Apple ecosystem wrecker
Jun 16 20:16:00 <SpeedEvil> An image?
Jun 16 20:16:48 <lcuk> yes
Jun 16 20:17:15 <lcuk> you don't often hear of apples crashing :)
Jun 16 20:17:27 <lcuk> and my little sketches cannot be that powerful ;)
Jun 16 20:17:31 <timoph> http://liqbase.net/grid/grid.png this
Jun 16 20:17:32 <SpeedEvil> Congrats!
Jun 16 20:18:02 <SpeedEvil> I will give you a fiver if you exploit the buffer overflow to install meego on all of the devices.
Jun 16 20:18:15 <SpeedEvil> Then we simply spam the pic
Jun 16 20:18:58 <lcuk> haha
Jun 16 20:19:51 <Texrat> then lcuk really WILL be compared with lulzsec!
Jun 16 20:22:37 <gabrbedd> lcuk: I opened your image with gimp... and it says "Calling error for procedure 'gimp-image-set-resolution': Image resolution is out of bounds, using the default resolution instead."
Jun 16 20:23:00 <lcuk> gabrbedd, eep
Jun 16 20:23:25 <gabrbedd> lcuk: Plus, when converted to a BMP it's 96MB.
Jun 16 20:23:30 <lcuk> haha
Jun 16 20:23:37 <lcuk> well it does take over 2 minutes to generate
Jun 16 20:23:48 <gabrbedd> lcuk: Which is what most software will do internally.
Jun 16 20:23:50 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: I opened it in firefox, and my system stalled for some moments
Jun 16 20:24:09 <SpeedEvil> Though is better now.
Jun 16 20:24:12 <lcuk> gabrbedd, opens fine on opera on n900
Jun 16 20:25:12 <Texrat> well, the N900 is magical
Jun 16 20:25:35 <gabrbedd> lcuk: I take it bak... it opened fine on my lenny box.  I didn't understand what I was seeing.  Needed to zoom WAAAAAAAAY in.
Jun 16 20:25:43 <timoph> lcuk: microb doesn't show it
Jun 16 20:26:03 <timoph> it says that the image is not shown since it contains errors
Jun 16 20:26:15 <gabrbedd> lcuk: So maybe that's part of the problem... some people see a black stripe (zoomed out) and think "huh?"
Jun 16 20:26:57 <timoph> but at least it doesn't crash
Jun 16 20:27:15 <lcuk> gabrbedd, possibly but various people are telling me it crashed iphone ipad ipod etc
Jun 16 20:28:11 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: Buffer overflows are such fun
Jun 16 20:28:13 <gabrbedd> lcuk: maybe OOM?
Jun 16 20:28:14 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: macs?
Jun 16 20:28:30 <lcuk> gabrbedd, IDK
Jun 16 20:28:44 <lcuk> I didn't notice that it was quite so large when I made it
Jun 16 20:29:00 <lcuk> I assigned a widget per column and was running the live app
Jun 16 20:29:05 <lcuk> width ^
Jun 16 20:29:16 <lcuk> and that scrolls and pans like a boss
Jun 16 20:30:44 <Texrat> lcuk maybe you can scale the cells down?
Jun 16 20:31:09 <lcuk> Texrat, oh for sure, it makes not as much sense because I was trying to read and review them
Jun 16 20:31:20 <lcuk> I can group same data by week instead of by day
Jun 16 20:31:24 <lcuk> which is better :)
Jun 16 20:31:45 <lcuk> was just rough prototype to see if an overview would help me organise stuff
Jun 16 20:33:02 <lcuk> Texrat, I did want to see just when I am most active writing stuff or taking pictures
Jun 16 20:34:06 <lcuk> Texrat, I used to have to draw grids and reports like this from massive datasets in a tax firm
Jun 16 20:34:55 * lcuk changes it to monthly :)
Jun 16 20:35:23 <RST38h> <YAWN>
Jun 16 20:37:58 * timoph goes to sleep o/
Jun 16 20:44:05 <gabrbedd> timoph: night night
Jun 16 20:45:46 <lcuk> \o timoph
Jun 16 20:45:52 <lcuk> RST38h, ACK
Jun 16 20:51:57 <alterego> Does anyone know of a reference  somewhere of the rpmbuild environment variables?
Jun 16 20:56:41 <gabrbedd> alterego: environment variables?  Or pre-defined macros?
Jun 16 20:56:59 <gabrbedd> alterego: The best ref. I know of for rpmbuild is the 'Maximum RPM' manual.
Jun 16 20:57:03 <alterego> Predefined macros _and_ environment variables :)
Jun 16 20:58:02 <gabrbedd> alterego: If you don't know where the Maximum RPM is... google 'max rpm' and it should be the first hit.
Jun 16 20:58:51 <gabrbedd> alterego: If not in there, I typically have to get lucky with a forum post... or muck around inside /usr/lib/rpm/macros.
Jun 16 20:59:11 <gabrbedd> alterego: There's some /etc/rpm* and ~/.rpm* files/folders that can affect things, too.
Jun 16 20:59:26 <alterego> m'kay
Jun 16 20:59:29 <alterego> Thanks :)
Jun 16 20:59:45 <gabrbedd> alterego: The only env. variables that I know it honors are CFLAGS, CPPFLAGS, and CXXFLAGS.
Jun 16 20:59:58 <gabrbedd> alterego: If you set those on the CLI at run-time... it'll override the system flags.
Jun 16 21:00:34 <gabrbedd> that is... unless the .spec file was set up to (incorrectly) override them.
Jun 16 21:02:54 <lcuk> alterego, how about the inverse
Jun 16 21:03:02 <lcuk> ask what you want rpm to have a macro for
Jun 16 21:03:28 <alterego> lcuk: I was just curious ;)
Jun 16 21:03:31 <CosmoHill> Mock the week is starting btw
Jun 16 21:03:34 <alterego> Building a reference of documentation
Jun 16 21:03:37 <alterego> CosmoHill: watching it :P
Jun 16 21:04:06 <gabrbedd> ~seen rpm_macros
Jun 16 21:04:14 <infobot> i haven't seen 'rpm_macros', gabrbedd
Jun 16 21:04:28 <CosmoHill> alterego: BBC2 or bbc HD?
Jun 16 21:04:36 <CosmoHill> wtf
Jun 16 21:04:41 <CosmoHill> it's not on BBC HD, you lied!
Jun 16 21:04:47 <alterego> BBC2
Jun 16 21:33:35 <ephedrandrox> Any hints getting maliit to work in fedora 15? What environment variables need to be set?
Jun 16 21:37:47 <mikhas> hi ephedrandrox, can I invite you over to #meego-inputmethods?
Jun 16 21:37:54 <CosmoHill> poxy sky box
Jun 16 21:37:56 <mikhas> (that's the maliit channel)
Jun 16 21:38:58 <mikhas> ephedrandrox, have you taken the Fedora packages from OBS?
Jun 16 21:39:34 <mikhas> try setting QT_IM_MODULE=MInputContext and I think GTK_IM_MODULE=meego-im
Jun 16 21:40:25 <mikhas> and make sure you have a running meego-im-uiserver instance
Jun 16 21:42:41 <alterego> Bloody obs is being lame still
Jun 16 21:52:43 <ephedrandrox> Yeah, havnt set them both together, in input channel now
Jun 16 22:10:06 <papirius> 2001 It is discovered that US drug agents’ communications have been penetrated. Suspicion falls on two companies, AMDOCS and Comverse Infosys, both owned by Israelis. AMDOCS generates billing data for most US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls, but suspicion forms that Comverse, which
Jun 16 22:14:05 <papirius> o/
Jun 16 22:26:13 <CosmoHill> what is it with that host and spam
Jun 16 22:26:17 <CosmoHill> they spam a forum I'm on too
Jun 16 22:31:05 <phl0x81> was a great MeeGo Meetup in Düsseldorf tonight :)
Jun 16 22:36:21 <NGE01> Why doesn't boot meego-1.2-de after zypper dup & shutdown -r now
Jun 16 23:09:16 <XwZ> hello, i'm trying to install the meego sdk but it needs 6GB on / ... but 6GB is my full partition, is it possible to install it in a other partition ?
Jun 16 23:42:06 <XwZ> I found the problem ... i was executinig the installer as root ... good night :)
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