**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 20 02:59:57 2011 Jun 20 03:07:29 I like the STL, but the error messages are something for masochists Jun 20 04:37:36 Stskeeps: heads up on the uxlaunch changes coming... you guys will need to create a /usr/share/xsessions/x-meego-something.desktop etc Jun 20 04:37:50 sofar: or 1.3 we use meego ux too Jun 20 04:37:54 er, for Jun 20 04:38:10 so i would assume those changes come through there Jun 20 04:38:12 you probably need to choose how to define your session Jun 20 04:38:15 ok Jun 20 04:38:25 anyway Jun 20 04:38:32 thanks for mailing about the change Jun 20 04:38:34 I advice you to experiment with it and give feedback Jun 20 04:38:36 yep Jun 20 04:38:40 yeah, it's a rather big change Jun 20 04:38:52 and I killed the compatibility code table we had Jun 20 04:39:12 good thing is that it's really easy to setup Jun 20 04:39:43 * Stskeeps looks for some coffee Jun 20 04:40:02 and you can do all of it as regular user - toy around with it etc. Jun 20 04:42:48 Afternoon everyone. I had a look at the meego-ux-panels and I think it is reasonably straight forward to turn it into meego-ux-widgets as an alternative to the panels specifically for the handset where I think panels don't work well. Jun 20 04:43:15 sounds like a nice task to work on Jun 20 04:44:07 I hope I spend some time on it. However kids and wife need attention too. Jun 20 04:44:22 :nod: Jun 20 04:45:08 I would envisage something like maemo home widgets. Jun 20 04:45:51 But using panels. e.g. implement the front/back Flickables Jun 20 04:46:01 that would be nice, at least Jun 20 04:46:01 Sorry Flipables Jun 20 04:46:49 tablet ux is dead slow in virtual box. What is the best way to test/do development? Jun 20 04:47:16 get a netbook or a piece of HW mimicking a tablet Jun 20 04:48:16 Can't afford another piece of hardware both financially and relationship wise ;) Jun 20 04:48:50 Oh well, virtualbox and N900 it is then. Jun 20 04:50:55 shouldn't have relationships with hardware, not healthy Jun 20 04:51:49 wmarone better get his act together on the Nook port! (joke) Jun 20 04:52:25 heh, yeah, that would be a nice meego tablet target indeed Jun 20 04:52:59 Just the right size I reckon. Don't like 10+inches Jun 20 04:54:19 morning Jun 20 04:54:25 morn iekku Jun 20 04:56:22 iekku you're late :) Jun 20 04:56:50 good night Jun 20 04:56:57 :) Jun 20 04:58:27 :D Jun 20 04:59:34 good moaning Jun 20 06:49:21 hello ! Jun 20 06:50:24 do you think the 'disruptive device' to be presented tomorow by Nokia at Singapore is going to be the meego/harmattan device ? (aka N9/N950) Jun 20 06:50:37 rumours for #meego-bar, please :) Jun 20 06:50:48 Stskeeps: np Jun 20 06:51:00 didn't know this channel Jun 20 06:51:36 Stskeeps: Jun 20 06:52:56 Stskeeps: the repos for meego-DE does have a server delay ? because my connection here is bad so i download at very small rate but it work until it stops server-side about 6 hours later, so i can't resume and finish the download.... Jun 20 06:53:23 its very annoying i cant test meego tablet ux Jun 20 06:53:24 TheBootroo: #meego-arm for those questions :) Jun 20 06:53:28 and not afaik Jun 20 06:53:42 Stskeeps: too many different channels Jun 20 06:53:46 so it goes Jun 20 06:53:54 :D Jun 20 07:59:42 Morning, all Jun 20 08:00:37 morn jaffa Jun 20 08:00:51 Morning Jun 20 08:06:22 Hi all.. Jun 20 08:07:25 Somebody help me recovery my n900 without reflash ? Jun 20 08:07:37 probably more of a #maemo issue Jun 20 08:08:56 But only meego have rescue initrd.. Jun 20 08:11:12 anyone has exp with gtk touch interaction? Jun 20 08:12:33 We have pygtk app moved to meego tablet, but the controls are too touch sensitive Jun 20 08:14:26 maybe there's a xsetting for that? Jun 20 08:15:25 though maybe you want to tune that at a lower level, maybe in the driver Jun 20 08:16:31 tomeu: I would like to keep as high level as possible :) Jun 20 08:17:14 what you mean with xsetting? Jun 20 08:17:28 jykae: http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html Jun 20 08:18:32 cannot find any relevant xsetting here: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/XSettingsRegistry Jun 20 08:18:46 but then, I don't know what you mean by being too sensitive Jun 20 08:20:44 tomeu: example: we're using mouse clicks, and on tablet it recognizes it only when it's very fast touch Jun 20 08:22:17 would like to get it work well both on desktop and devices with touch Jun 20 08:22:56 so on one particular tablet, the user needs to be very quick in lifting the finger when clicking, otherwise it's not registered as a click but as a drag? Jun 20 08:23:34 tomeu: yes, testing on exo Jun 20 08:25:47 tomeu: do you have suggestion how to fix that 'the right way'? Jun 20 08:26:33 jykae: is your application handling the raw events, or is it done by gtk+? Jun 20 08:27:28 afaik, on gtk+ even if you are very slow to release the finger and even if you move the finger a bit, it will be registered as a click if you don't leave the widget's area Jun 20 08:28:07 so I would fire up xev and see if the events that X delivers are very different from those in a machine without a touchscreen Jun 20 08:35:12 tomeu: hmm, they might be raw events, need to check the code. It's done with pygtk. It's old app, maybe need to update event handling. Jun 20 08:35:45 tomeu: thanks a lot Jun 20 08:36:17 it would surprise me, but if you were handling the press and release button events instead of leaving that to gtk+, then you may want to stop doing that Jun 20 08:36:23 yw, good luck Jun 20 08:47:15 hello :-) Jun 20 08:47:48 hi Jun 20 08:47:55 link in /topic about IRC rules(bit.ly) has a / at the end that makes it non-working Stskeeps Jun 20 08:48:06 ah, fun Jun 20 08:48:07 sec Jun 20 08:48:57 Stskeeps: works now, thanks :-) Jun 20 08:54:17 tomeu: how this looks to you http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/629728/ Jun 20 08:59:50 jykae: looks like the problem might be in the application indeed Jun 20 09:00:01 nothing weird in xev? Jun 20 09:05:15 ah, the exact problem is generating long press is difficult in the application. Jun 20 09:05:48 I confuse my projects.. Jun 20 09:07:00 the place where one presses and holds is strict Jun 20 09:14:19 tomeu: our implementation of long press sucks. How it's done easily? So that the finger position can slightly vary Jun 20 09:14:54 jykae: see how it's done in gtk+ and steal it Jun 20 09:20:36 tomeu: threshold, that's the magic word... Jun 20 09:37:20 gmorning \o Jun 20 09:57:21 Stskeeps: does MeeGo run flawlessly on an Intel Core i5 processor ? with the integrated Intel HD3000 graphics ? Jun 20 09:57:26 i don't own a i5 Jun 20 09:57:29 so i don't know Jun 20 09:57:30 (MeeGo for Tablets) Jun 20 09:57:33 also, i work on meego ARM Jun 20 09:57:40 true Jun 20 09:57:43 my bad Jun 20 09:58:15 i doesn't run on Tegra 2 ? so no chance for an Asus EEE Transformer ? Jun 20 10:01:34 Stskeeps, your recent advancement of wayland stuff will help arm and x86 too, since discussions are helpful in general! Jun 20 10:03:06 I got to see/tinker with some Windows phones last night Jun 20 10:03:19 lcuk: Thoughts? Jun 20 10:03:23 slick Jun 20 10:03:28 and understandable Jun 20 10:03:45 reminded me of the liqbase classic squares ;) Jun 20 10:05:11 hi :) Jun 20 10:05:20 Jaffa, I am getting first native symbian/qt device this week Jun 20 10:05:27 which should help with my qt evolution Jun 20 10:05:38 how was your fathers day? Jun 20 10:05:45 Good. Yours? Jun 20 10:05:51 * thiago recommends not buying a device today Jun 20 10:06:01 I am wearing my Dad'll fix it tshirt with pride! Jun 20 10:06:42 thiago: :-) Jun 20 10:07:02 thiago: I know nothing except rumours and I still advised that to someone yesterday about to order an N900. Jun 20 10:07:40 thiago, generic advice (which applies for all of technology world) : if a person has a need to buy something and is pondering: Jun 20 10:07:59 it is always recommended to purchase based on solving todays problem Jun 20 10:08:21 lcuk: There are points in a cycle where it makes sense to wait a week or so, if you can. Jun 20 10:08:35 lcuk: The day's before MacWorld/WWDC/whatever, for example. Jun 20 10:08:59 http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ is quite a cool example of that (even though I'm not a Mac man) Jun 20 10:09:18 indeed, but those are known product cycles Jun 20 10:09:38 as noted, we do not do rumours Jun 20 10:09:59 hi Recku by the way \o Jun 20 10:10:04 what is your meego involvement Jun 20 10:11:00 Jaffa, I went to the Guardian Hacktivate event and met up with a load of great folks Jun 20 10:11:08 finally met alterego Jun 20 10:11:15 uuuuuurrrrggggghhh Jun 20 10:11:22 I hate drinking with Fin Jun 20 10:11:31 alterego: ns Jun 20 10:11:31 ? Jun 20 10:11:48 Stskeeps: No, he hates stopping drinking ;-) Jun 20 10:11:52 and after 2 years met up with one of my W+K contacts Jun 20 10:11:57 Yes, fins :) Jun 20 10:12:05 alterego, !! Jun 20 10:12:20 Do you know what time I got home last night? Jun 20 10:12:25 f'ing 2am Jun 20 10:12:31 a little after me! Jun 20 10:12:46 I got the midnight train :P Jun 20 10:12:51 heh Jun 20 10:13:04 only a couple of extra hours then Jun 20 10:13:09 You'll have to give me Alexs' email aswell btw :) Jun 20 10:13:53 okiedokey Jun 20 10:14:14 "Your letter is only the start of it" Jun 20 10:14:20 She was really nice, looked familiar too. Jun 20 10:14:30 lcuk: ? Jun 20 10:14:36 "One letter and now your a part of it" Jun 20 10:14:44 sorry, got jimll fix it music Jun 20 10:15:10 since I can see a big "Dad'll fix it" logo in my laptop Jun 20 10:18:27 Hahahah Jun 20 10:18:52 Riku gave me a little bottle of jagermeister he had on him. :D Jun 20 10:19:17 I was really pissed by the time I got the train, I passed out and missed my stop. Jun 20 10:19:26 Had to walk 4 miles home. Jun 20 10:19:43 haha Jun 20 10:20:00 alterego, the battery on my n900 lasted *much* longer than I recall Jun 20 10:20:38 After everyone left except 4 of us, and the Guardian guy was like, we still have 60 quid on the tab, cocktails? :) Jun 20 10:20:51 I watched the end of deuce bigalow, an episode of warehouse 13 and most of herbie goes bananas before pulling into manchester station Jun 20 10:20:54 So we had mahjitos Jun 20 10:20:59 hah Jun 20 10:21:06 Then got the taste for them, and had another 3 Jun 20 10:21:43 Needless to say, I regret it now :D Jun 20 10:21:50 why? :) Jun 20 10:22:10 I feel like crap, I should have had more pizza. Jun 20 10:22:14 don't regret having a good time Jun 20 10:22:41 just plan it better to remove the hangover phase ;) Jun 20 10:22:51 Yeah, and my girlfriend didn't even seem to care when I got in well late. Jun 20 10:22:55 And pissed. Jun 20 10:23:00 now, I am going to recheck and file bugs relating to contacts import this morning Jun 20 10:23:11 what are you upto? Jun 20 10:24:28 I'm going to get over this hangover, make something for breakfast and then probably fix the most important bugs whilst contemplating tomorrow :) Jun 20 10:24:42 And contemplating what I'm gonna do with an N8 Jun 20 10:25:02 what is tomorrow? (apart from an excellent song by James) Jun 20 10:25:03 Nice formfactor Jun 20 10:25:04 alterego: N8Fly Jun 20 10:25:57 Heh Jun 20 10:26:20 Stskeeps: it's be a shame to waste that camera :P Jun 20 10:26:33 I'll probably just use it as a digital camera. Jun 20 10:28:34 Talking about wp7 lastnight and yesterday lcuk I can't help but think Microsoft got the raw deal .. Jun 20 10:29:21 what makes you say that? Jun 20 10:30:07 Just sounded like Nokia can literally do what the like to WP7, to the point of it not being WP7 Jun 20 10:30:14 I think the only thing lacking from wp7 is qt support. Jun 20 10:30:27 alterego: Including run it on a Linux kernel, with Wayland and Qt? ;-) Jun 20 10:30:48 add that to the mix somehow officially and a great many of the devs will be happy Jun 20 10:30:49 Jaffa: one of the guys their had wrote a QML mock up of the WP7 interface :D Jun 20 10:30:55 Had it running on an E7 Jun 20 10:31:09 He was like "First E7 running WP7" Jun 20 10:31:28 And it looked really good, then after a couple of seconds I realised what he had done :D Jun 20 10:31:44 lcuk: we can't talk about that ;) Jun 20 10:31:55 ? Jun 20 10:31:59 lcuk: yeah - with supported codecs and screen not on maximum brightness with moderate volume - the battery life is really good. Jun 20 10:32:13 SpeedEvil, no you misunderstand Jun 20 10:32:18 I do those things normally Jun 20 10:32:45 oh, train related bonus Jun 20 10:32:52 lcuk: qt on wp7 Jun 20 10:32:53 Virgin train seat trays Jun 20 10:33:04 fold up, put n900 with keyboard out on the top Jun 20 10:33:09 and you have seat back IVI Jun 20 10:33:26 hi, when trying to run "osc build" against meego OBS i get the following: Jun 20 10:33:27 :) Jun 20 10:33:29 worked a treat :D Jun 20 10:33:31 BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys Jun 20 10:33:36 lcuk: Careful - I've tried that before and sometimes it fails catastrophically :-) Jun 20 10:33:40 anyone know how I can add the keys Jun 20 10:33:46 Ubuntu host Jun 20 10:33:47 Jaffa, worked perfectly Jun 20 10:33:47 lcuk: works on some coaches too ;) Jun 20 10:33:58 kavacha: --no-verify Jun 20 10:34:00 * lcuk smiled all yesterday Jun 20 10:34:11 alwhat can't you talk about? Jun 20 10:34:19 alterego, what ^ Jun 20 10:34:26 qyt on wp7 Jun 20 10:34:26 lcuk: I go on a couple of Pendolinos every day - it varies Jun 20 10:34:33 Qt on WP7 Jun 20 10:34:38 roger Jaffa Jun 20 10:34:49 alterego, I only read the official announcements Jun 20 10:34:52 I thought you heard what I heard, my mistake :P Jun 20 10:35:07 alterego: Hmm, it would make sense for the announcement tomorrow what with "new ecosystem" and talk of "developers" Jun 20 10:35:17 alterego: thanks !! Jun 20 10:35:48 Jaffa: good point Jun 20 10:35:56 Jaffa: maybe it will ;) Jun 20 10:36:14 As lcuk said, I think Qt on WP7 would be very nice to assuage developers' fears about Qt adoption in the mobile/handset market. Jun 20 10:36:22 * alterego looking forward to Harmattan :) Jun 20 10:36:33 And putting MeeGo on the N9 Jun 20 10:36:49 N9? Jun 20 10:36:51 Definitely. Will prove MeeGo can be used for a commercial device (as far as everyone's concerned, it doesn't matter it's not pure meego.com MeeGo Core) Jun 20 10:37:16 iekku: He means M9. A motorway in Scotland. All the roadsigns will run MeeGo with free apps for IVI Jun 20 10:37:24 Did you know Maa Mo in finnish means Mother Earth? Jun 20 10:37:32 Jaffa, :D Jun 20 10:37:36 But it's sort of said Maemo Jun 20 10:37:36 did you know, when I go to friends houses, if they ask me to take my shoes off I will do. Jun 20 10:38:04 respecting their rules is something we should all do naturally. Jun 20 10:41:14 alterego, it's maa (earht) emo (mom) Jun 20 10:41:33 iekku: ah right :) Jun 20 10:41:37 Thanks :) Jun 20 10:42:25 I thought that was really cool/interesting Jun 20 10:42:44 haven't ever noticed that Jun 20 10:43:19 emo just makes it even more interesting/cool :D Jun 20 10:43:55 emo kid? Jun 20 10:44:28 Jaffa: it's this funny thing, the only thing really stopping Qt on WP7 is politics... i was talking with people at the summit, and saying that two things need to happen: Jun 20 10:45:11 1) Someone needs to break the WP7 UI flow horribly using the WPF stuff that's the only current blessed thing... that'll break the current argument about consistency Jun 20 10:45:38 2) Someone needs to build a set of QML components for the Metro UI Jun 20 10:45:45 Those two things happen, and well... :) Jun 20 10:46:09 leinir, sigh, (1) it is feasible to bring any computer to its knees. (2) copying the work of others is not so good Jun 20 10:46:25 a better (2) would be making qt/qml stand out on its own features instead of cloning Jun 20 10:46:28 lcuk: I think you misunderstand #2 Jun 20 10:46:48 lcuk: Qt won't be allowed on WP7 if you can't simply write Metro-style QML UIs. Jun 20 10:47:00 lcuk: what Jaffa said ;) Jun 20 10:47:29 hence copying: Jun 20 10:47:35 Qt not being accepted on WP7 is not a technical decision at all Jun 20 10:47:46 will Microsoft be happy when you are using Metro UI on iphone or android or maemo/meego? Jun 20 10:48:22 lcuk: They might very well be a set of components in the style of the MeeGo Tablet UX components - not really usable outside of MeeGo, for a variety of reasons Jun 20 10:48:28 lcuk: Make the implementation use underlying WPF components, then it'll only work on WP7 Jun 20 10:48:45 so yeah, again, what Jaffa said ;D Jun 20 10:48:56 leinir: :-) Jun 20 10:48:57 Jaffa, then the argument says: why are you using second rate developer components? Jun 20 10:49:01 just use the official sdk Jun 20 10:50:35 lcuk: To have a cross-platform app. MS want Spotiy, Rovio, Facebook, ... to have a compelling platform. App developers no longer target single systems if there's a more cross-ecosystem alternative. Jun 20 10:50:50 Jaffa, really? Jun 20 10:50:58 android apps cross platform? Jun 20 10:50:59 iphone? Jun 20 10:51:17 hell, maemo apps aren't generally cross platform Jun 20 10:51:25 or we would have more of them here in meego Jun 20 10:51:37 lcuk: That's my point. Lots of publishers/devs are targetting multiple platforms. They want to reduce costs. Qt can help. Jun 20 10:52:33 Jaffa, the best help is to build up a list of qt apps which *are* living the cross platform dream Jun 20 10:52:39 I can target Symbian for much lower cost and investment, so I have started doing so. I've no desire to target WP7 directly, but if it ran Qt, it'd be a more viable option. Same with Qt on Android & iOS Jun 20 10:52:40 from the good qt apps we know Jun 20 10:52:48 which run on all our favourite platforms Jun 20 10:53:12 qt on android/ios Jun 20 10:53:25 if I sell a qt app on symbian Jun 20 10:53:32 qt dev support gets 30% of sales Jun 20 10:53:35 lcuk: "best help"? I'm 100% certain that #meego compiling a list of cross-platform Qt apps will not help change the politics that leinir describes. Jun 20 10:53:47 if I sell the same app on android, who from qt is paid to work on that support Jun 20 10:53:52 it is an unofficial port Jun 20 10:54:36 Jaffa, I am just wanting to discuss the complexity of cross platofmrness Jun 20 10:55:00 I played with symbian anna last night too. Jun 20 10:55:03 anything data related usually has bigger issues than simple apps and the teams working on them do so usually for a specific target Jun 20 10:55:04 v.sleek Jun 20 10:55:05 Jaffa: what policies did lenier describe? :) Jun 20 10:55:28 alterego, indeed Jun 20 10:55:34 anna is sexy. Jun 20 10:55:39 alterego: you have it already? Jun 20 10:55:48 sivang: "politics", not "policies" Jun 20 10:56:02 sivang: no, I just got to use/play/see it yesterday. Jun 20 10:56:09 Jaffa, if SQt had unified installation mechanism and SDK I would be in more agreement Jun 20 10:56:12 On a C6 unfortunately :D Jun 20 10:56:18 Which is a teeeny phone Jun 20 10:56:19 s/SQt/Qt/ Jun 20 10:56:19 lcuk meant: Jaffa, if Qt had unified installation mechanism and SDK I would be in more agreement Jun 20 10:57:11 sivang: they're simple enough - no native code on WP7, except if you're one of MS' "special" friends, who have access to Iris Jun 20 10:57:28 lcuk: Oh, I agree it's a long way from ideal. There are annoying edge cases and not yet enough support in the docs & SDK. But it's promising, and a lot easier than it *was* Jun 20 10:57:29 incidentally, Visual Basic had the same problems, having to go to the Windows API underneath to get over a limitation Jun 20 10:58:02 once you start to put OS dependent things into your app, you throw away cross platformness Jun 20 10:58:21 leinir: ah, speaking of WP7 Jun 20 10:58:21 okay Jun 20 10:58:21 fair Jun 20 11:00:12 * alterego is going to be gutted if the N8 is a pink one. Jun 20 11:00:15 I have stuff to do for now, leinir best way to gain access would be to give compelling apps Jun 20 11:00:33 * alterego wonders off to do some washing up and make food. Jun 20 11:01:54 see you all soon Jun 20 11:01:59 * sivang -> out Jun 20 11:02:13 leinir, speaking of compelling I have qt prototype of the liqcalendar :) Jun 20 11:02:30 Ooh... :) Jun 20 11:17:34 lcuk: oh? Jun 20 11:22:38 yes w00t :) Jun 20 11:22:58 lcuk: where's it at :) Jun 20 11:23:56 it is at a screenshotconly at present Jun 20 11:24:25 I also have a Visual basic.net version too, but that has existed all along ;) Jun 20 11:25:19 Reminder: Only a few days left for the MeeGo Birmingham UK MeetUp - Sign up and show your MeeGo Support :-) http://mge.bz/bX #Linux Jun 20 11:25:50 p.s. Hi Everyone :-) Jun 20 11:25:57 lcuk: show :) Jun 20 11:26:55 w00t, restyled to use Nokia Pure and it looks pretty damned attractive Jun 20 11:26:56 http://liqbase.net/20110410_001.jpg Jun 20 11:27:12 but I cannot use it on meego directly using that font Jun 20 11:27:32 so petition Nokia to allow Pure on Meego Jun 20 11:28:01 * lcuk thinks droid font makes a poor substitute Jun 20 11:28:47 so, what's the fundamental idea? using Qt to write your own graphics/other functionality on top (like calendar) as applications? Jun 20 11:29:05 it's a good thing i don't have to waste my time with a simulator anymore... ;p Jun 20 11:29:06 * Jaffa really likes Pure. Having gone back to Nokia Sans on a C7, and a recovery N900 (before switching the font), it looks so much better Jun 20 11:29:31 I still prefer droid fonts personally Jun 20 11:30:43 I t Jun 20 11:30:46 Courier. Jun 20 11:31:34 w00t, I started with a qwidget that can load/render sketches and played with a few ideas. Jun 20 11:32:01 performance is not where I need it Jun 20 11:32:12 and where I have pushed many times towards getting help Jun 20 11:32:17 qpainter line drawing etc Jun 20 11:32:47 w00t, I have 8000 sketches now and a great new game Jun 20 11:32:57 tagging the graffiti wall is like playing bingo Jun 20 11:33:02 so addictive! Jun 20 11:33:21 tick tick tick tick "cool" Jun 20 11:34:08 http://liqbase.net/liq.20110528_124839.liqrecentsketches_tagging.scr.png ;) Jun 20 11:38:30 lcuk: you can use Ubuntu font (ubuntu-ttf) which is free and looks pretty good, at small or big size Jun 20 11:38:56 brightness? usually has no more than 8 to 12 steps anyway, that you could distinguish Jun 20 11:39:05 TheBootroo, for everyday use I like my own handwriting thanks, but Nokia Pure looks coolest and arty Jun 20 11:39:15 and since the calendar goes on the wall agree with many experts ;) Jun 20 11:39:29 DocScrutinizer, psh :P Jun 20 11:40:48 DocScrutinizer, the point about the brightness was that, Nokia said 4 or 5 steps were enough, users (espeically rm_you) said that 127 steps were enough, I found middle ground Jun 20 11:40:54 which allowed choice Jun 20 11:41:06 lcuk: Nokia Pure > Ubuntu TTF ? i don't agree : nokia pure is too thick, Ubuntu has a Light variant and a Monospaced one Jun 20 11:41:14 gradient between firm specific steps or fine options :) Jun 20 11:41:27 TheBootroo, look at the use on the calendar photo I showed Jun 20 11:41:31 it is for background Jun 20 11:41:47 perfect for a bold stylistic font like Pure Jun 20 11:41:59 the actual content is hand drawn and pure white Jun 20 11:42:04 so stands out anyway Jun 20 11:42:05 :) Jun 20 11:42:24 bad handrwriting though Jun 20 11:42:28 O.o Jun 20 11:42:34 you can read ? Jun 20 11:43:06 is this fault of low resolution of nokia symbian devices (nHD) ? Jun 20 11:43:37 oh, my bad, its the sdk simulator Jun 20 11:43:37 http://liqbase.net/liq.20110208_002.liqbook.on.meego.ideapad.jpg Jun 20 11:43:47 I have better handwriting for proper reading :) Jun 20 11:44:00 the calendar is for me and my family, we all know what it says ;) Jun 20 11:44:00 hum Jun 20 11:44:10 i hope... Jun 20 11:44:13 XD Jun 20 11:44:30 TheBootroo, doctors can read their own writing you know. Jun 20 11:44:37 nobody else can Jun 20 11:44:46 lcuk: and I say they thoroughly messed up with that incredible awkward slider" with 5 steps, that has a huge offset to touchpoint, and doesn't even allow to scroll up/down the menu. Probably on a menu with just such sliders on it and exceeding screen height you're screwed Jun 20 11:44:49 true Jun 20 11:44:50 :) and that is what makes the calendar unique to you Jun 20 11:44:59 lcuk: are you a doctor then ? Jun 20 11:45:10 code doctor perhaps Jun 20 11:45:20 (i'm kidding you, the second photo, of the idea pad is a cute font) Jun 20 11:45:25 and I am wearing a "Dad'll fix it" tshirt now Jun 20 11:45:35 TheBootroo, that is my best handtyping. Jun 20 11:45:48 I hope we can get OpenCL running on Harmattan .. Jun 20 11:45:57 you should turn it into a handwritten font Jun 20 11:46:00 I doubt it though Jun 20 11:46:04 TheBootroo, ... Jun 20 11:46:23 that is the idea, but one font is not enough Jun 20 11:46:25 alterego: since harmattan is plain linux we can acheive all we want , just like the N900 Jun 20 11:46:30 lcuk: wait, maybe that's simple brightness applet? Jun 20 11:46:34 what I want is for each person to have their own handwriting :) Jun 20 11:47:06 huh DocScrutinizer ? Jun 20 11:47:22 TheBootroo: not without the appropriate drivers. Jun 20 11:47:24 lcuk: i'm not talking about your project but about making a good looking handwritting-like font for some uses Jun 20 11:47:30 the brightness applet is just one example of ux issues and wasn't the point of what I showed ;) Jun 20 11:47:35 We don't have it on the N900 but it's capable. Jun 20 11:47:54 lcuk: ot, but maemo system menu -> brightness "slider" with 5 bars Jun 20 11:49:15 is there a way to get a 'home' icon on the left of title bars in Tablet UX Apps just like in handset ones ? because that easier than a key stroke and i want my N900 fully usable with ux, and no physical button Jun 20 11:49:26 then I'd prefer the 128 steps according to rm_you :-) Jun 20 11:50:17 TheBootroo, it is being discussed somewhere I think Jun 20 11:50:29 and asking for some kind of onscreen element for it would be useful Jun 20 11:50:30 where then ? Jun 20 11:50:43 i just know of a bug relating to needing a way Jun 20 11:50:46 hold on Jun 20 11:51:09 more : it seems that the place is hold : there is already a space but empty and unsensitive Jun 20 11:51:14 bug 19019 Jun 20 11:51:17 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19019 nor, Medium, ---, nicholas.e.richards, REOP, Add ability to leave a running application without pressing a hard key Jun 20 11:51:19 ok Jun 20 11:51:35 kthx Jun 20 11:51:39 \o Jun 20 11:51:48 hello people.. help me with start meego on n900.. Jun 20 11:51:48 I'm write the MicroSD with raw image, and start the phone with flasher command "-l -k " Jun 20 11:51:48 Flasher says that image sending.. Jun 20 11:51:48 But nothink happen, just white screen NOKIA and usb logo ... Jun 20 11:52:21 EuPhobos: damn dude you are typing to damn fast Jun 20 11:52:37 6789KB of 0KB sent in 0s, 6789KB/s ? Jun 20 11:52:50 ./flasher-3.5 -l -b -k mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance-1.2.0.90.3.20110606.2.DE.2011-06-07.1-vmlinuz-2.6.37-35.1.DE-adaptation-n900 Jun 20 11:53:00 use -b Jun 20 11:53:01 -b Jun 20 11:53:03 bootup Jun 20 11:53:05 after? Jun 20 11:53:08 what lcuk said Jun 20 11:53:22