**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 23 02:59:56 2011 Jun 23 04:17:58 I'd love to see Meego installed on an e7. Jun 23 04:18:14 Does anyone here know if it's possible? Jun 23 04:26:28 blizzow: the general consensus is no. Jun 23 04:27:18 morning Jun 23 04:31:24 I'm surprised there is all this activity to hack other bootloaders but nobody has done it to an e7. Jun 23 04:32:31 blizzow: which other bootloaders are you referring to? Jun 23 04:33:12 Motorola bootloaders, htc? Jun 23 04:33:39 or maybe I'm confusing jailbreaking and bootloader hacking. Jun 23 04:33:41 Motorolas bootloaders are doomed to be locked forever Jun 23 04:34:49 android devices then... afaik Nokia is pretty adept making theirs next to impossible to get around, unless the device has been semiplanned to allow it Jun 23 04:52:05 OMAP support for crypto-signed BL is pretty good Jun 23 04:54:53 basically the immutable ROM bootloader integrity-checks and verifies 1st stage bootloader (xldr iirc) with a rather secure encryption key Jun 23 04:56:00 for now this 1st stage BL isn't doing same for 2nd stage NOLO Jun 23 04:56:33 this can change any time, with any update, for any OMAP device Jun 23 04:57:07 and actually it seems it *has* changed for N9(50), see aegis Jun 23 05:06:16 DocScrutinizer: this is only valid for HS silicon Jun 23 05:06:27 indeed Jun 23 05:07:14 and that's also exactly where we broke into Archos devices back then :> Jun 23 05:07:35 I referred to ""Nokia is pretty adept making theirs next to impossible to get around"" where Nokia == the recent OMAP based devices which seem all to be HS Jun 23 05:07:52 yes, nokia seems to use HS by default Jun 23 05:08:13 they're an large enough customer that there is probably little to no markup in ordering HS silicon Jun 23 05:08:41 HS? Jun 23 05:08:49 also they may actually get their own root cert in ROM Jun 23 05:08:49 HighSecurity Jun 23 05:08:53 ahh Jun 23 05:08:56 I bet they do Jun 23 05:09:07 extra bug triage for Core bugs starting on #meego-bugs, now Jun 23 05:11:26 wmarone_: TI offers their silicon usually in 3 varieties, no, EM and HS. where EM is really just HS with a more or less known or shared key that is used for EVMs Jun 23 05:11:42 did not know that Jun 23 05:50:27 http://www.hs.fi/haku/?kaikkiSanat=elop+sulkee+pois+meegon+paluun [2011-06-23 07:44:28] title is "Elop rules out return of Meego" Jun 23 05:51:02 frankly, with all those people leaving meego devices, i'm not surprised Jun 23 05:51:17 one thing you can't accuse Elop for: he's never really unclear about his plans to ruin Nokia Jun 23 05:51:50 anyway, for speculation, #meego-bar or tmo :) Jun 23 05:52:03 absolute consequence, absolute precision Jun 23 05:52:22 i am using baseurl=http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ Jun 23 05:52:28 getting error warning: /var/cache/zypp/packages/1.2-oss/i586/libqtsysteminfo1-1.2.0~beta0+git2726-9.31.i586.rpm: Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 44e4155a: NOKEY Jun 23 05:52:29 The package integrity check failed. Jun 23 05:52:36 quoting a newspaper interview of elop isn't exactly speculation Jun 23 05:52:37 /var/cache/zypp/packages/1.2-oss/i586/libqtsysteminfo1-1.2.0~beta0+git2726-9.31.i586.rpm Public key is unavailable Jun 23 05:52:53 during sudo zypper in qt-mobility Jun 23 05:53:00 bkalinga: add a gpg key line Jun 23 05:53:28 i have added gpgkey=http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/repos/oss/ia32/packages/repodata/repomd.xml.key Jun 23 05:53:40 bkalinga: think that path has to be local Jun 23 05:53:43 ie, wget'tted Jun 23 06:01:52 Stskeeps: after I wget http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/repos/oss/ia32/packages/repodata/repomd.xml.key and rename this file and gave the path to this file in /etc/zypp/repos.d/1.2-oss.repo Jun 23 06:01:59 still getting the same problem Jun 23 06:02:11 also rpm --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-meego-releases1.2.0 Jun 23 06:02:17 error: /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-meego-releases1.2.0: import failed. Jun 23 06:03:22 if the repo changes to different location will this gpg key should change?? Jun 23 06:15:10 morning Jun 23 06:23:31 Evening Jun 23 06:41:36 congratulations to all of you for N9 :) Jun 23 06:41:58 can't wait to buy that phone Jun 23 06:45:07 buy 5, as it's the last linux device from Nokia Jun 23 06:46:12 s/device/phone/ Jun 23 06:46:14 DocScrutinizer meant: buy 5, as it's the last linux phone from Nokia Jun 23 06:47:24 * DocScrutinizer giggles, mumbling "harmattan" Jun 23 06:50:17 DocScrutinizer: harmattan, the new curse word Jun 23 06:50:47 flailingmonkey: just funny to see congrats here Jun 23 06:51:24 DocScrutinizer: also, those photos of N950 are pretty sexy too, even if fairly weak spec-wise Jun 23 06:51:30 feels like somebody giving you best wishes to your 50th, while you're in fact just 40 Jun 23 06:55:10 :D Jun 23 06:55:15 DocScrutinizer: i'm pretty sure that fitting in next generation chipset (and reworking a bit for hdmi output which is common of that generation) would make for an easy second consumer device Jun 23 06:55:25 I am really happy for you guys :) Jun 23 06:55:35 meego is really nice Jun 23 06:56:07 gabriel9: you're aware that N9 doesn't really run meego Jun 23 06:56:51 does it even use ofono? Jun 23 06:56:56 :/ Jun 23 06:57:19 flailingmonkey: good question Jun 23 06:58:14 DocScrutinizer, others told me yesteday that it runs the handset ux (meegotouch-home) with a custom theme Jun 23 06:59:01 it runs the MTF stack, yes, with closed source bits on top Jun 23 06:59:04 well, the theme maybe is identical, dunno about that. The system beneath for sure is more maemo than meego Jun 23 06:59:10 but it's not meego.com underneath Jun 23 06:59:19 i didn't read all stuff form the internet Jun 23 06:59:39 Stskeeps: what's MTF stack? Jun 23 06:59:41 DocScrutinizer, indeed. Jun 23 06:59:45 but this is nice start and Jun 23 06:59:49 DocScrutinizer: libmeegotouch, meegotouch-home, mcompositor, etc.. Jun 23 06:59:55 aah thanks Jun 23 07:00:03 DocScrutinizer, they did just like they promised Jun 23 07:00:04 i will buy nokia N9, or any meego phone :) Jun 23 07:00:54 also, company in which i work are interested in Qt Jun 23 07:02:37 one question: Why everybody saying that N9 is running Meego? Jun 23 07:02:55 DocScrutinizer, MTF = MeeGo Touch Framework Jun 23 07:03:34 gabriel9: so, the story was that this device was supposed to come ages ago and only be a tiny speck of difference, while nokia transformed to real meego.com Jun 23 07:03:35 CE bug triage starting @ #meego-meeting, now Jun 23 07:03:50 gabriel9, because all their marketing efforts are going towards the name MeeGo, so they're calling this one "MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan", plus they do support the MeeGo APIs Jun 23 07:04:10 gabriel9: what does matter is that it's a qt stack Jun 23 07:04:50 yea, it is important that people are saying it is Meego phone and they are pleased :) Jun 23 07:04:55 all are happy Jun 23 07:05:04 but it does hurt the idea of 'meego compliant' quite a fair bit Jun 23 07:05:11 so that's why some people are disgruntled Jun 23 07:05:57 last time i read something about meego is 2-3 months ago Jun 23 07:06:37 so i'm little out of the picture Jun 23 07:07:51 perhaps they think that the meego.com MeeGo is not yet stable enough for a commercial product? who knows? Jun 23 07:08:40 Venemo: given that nokia were supposed to invest 50% of the burden into meego.com, it makes you wonder who's fault it is Jun 23 07:08:43 :P Jun 23 07:09:04 hehe Jun 23 07:09:37 well anyway, what MeeGo needs is products built on it, so we should appreciate the N9(50) even if they're not "the" MeeGo yet. Jun 23 07:13:10 yes, the positive reviews of the N9 are definitely good publicity for meego.com too, even if it's technically not real meego Jun 23 07:13:36 it's just about not confusing matters too much. there were a large number of things the harmattan guys could have done to lessen the impact and they didn't do it Jun 23 07:13:37 thing is, that noone outside this channel cares about what it is technically. Jun 23 07:13:57 1) developer story sucks: people have to tell the difference between meego.com (many devices) vs harmattan (one device) Jun 23 07:14:04 they see a great UX, they see the MeeGo caption, and that's all we need Jun 23 07:14:37 2) there's nothing technical stopping them from having been able to accept meego compliant rpm packages Jun 23 07:14:39 Stskeeps, you sound right. but right now, it is meego.com: 0 devices vs harmattan: 2 devices Jun 23 07:15:25 sure Jun 23 07:15:29 3) they haven't bothered to even bring toolchains to sync, glibc/etc Jun 23 07:15:46 this is all true Jun 23 07:15:52 but then look at the bright side: Jun 23 07:16:14 I can make a package for both platforms with one click in the same IDE Jun 23 07:16:34 oh, and one more click and I will get it to the N900 too Jun 23 07:16:54 i'm a little unconvinced of the magical rpm/deb generation :) Jun 23 07:17:16 i'm already seeing people post .deb's only for their sw Jun 23 07:17:19 and that shows a problem Jun 23 07:17:53 I'm sure that as soon as there'll be meego.com-based devices, people will start posting .rpms too Jun 23 07:18:35 except there are already, while not handsets Jun 23 07:19:06 we shall see. Jun 23 07:19:20 Stskeeps: you can blame me for the magical deb creation, I think - the original prototype was mine and the original implementation was by a guy who was promptly snatched by Trolltech Berlin after that... Jun 23 07:19:30 Botsik: weren't you bostik at some point? :P Jun 23 07:19:37 anyway, I think you do agree that what happened is still a lot better than nothing Jun 23 07:19:48 yeah, but apparently someone else has a claim to that nick *shrug* Jun 23 07:20:04 Venemo: i don't think it's a bad thing but honestly, they should have done a minimal effort to fix some glaring issues that would simplify matters a lot Jun 23 07:20:18 Stskeeps, I agree fully Jun 23 07:20:30 they certainly had a long time to figure out things Jun 23 07:20:42 but if this is what their manpower allowed them to do, then I welcome it Jun 23 07:20:58 i think there were simply some people that were lazy and narrow minded. Jun 23 07:21:19 maybe. Jun 23 07:21:27 Botsik: btw, had bringup of qt5+qtquick2 Jun 23 07:21:44 I only hope that this MTF theme they made (the swipe thingy) for their UX will be able to run on the N900 in some form Jun 23 07:21:58 heh, good luck with that sgx frequency Jun 23 07:22:17 hm? Jun 23 07:22:32 n950/n9 sgx frequency is 200mhz which is why things look so damn good ;) Jun 23 07:22:38 n900's 110mhz Jun 23 07:22:56 I'm not saying I'm expecting an equally smooth experience Jun 23 07:23:05 (N900's RAM is also a lot lower) Jun 23 07:23:34 i'm of the opinion that people ought to forget about the closed source stuff and contribute to what's open and already quite nice, as the closed source path isn't sustanable Jun 23 07:24:17 agreed Jun 23 07:24:27 Stskeeps: yummy, it may take me a couple of weeks before I can appreciate the whole shebang but I *am* interested - just at the moment I'm in the middle of one hell of a emergency situation which deprives everything else of my attention Jun 23 07:24:30 go try out the n900 CE summer release Jun 23 07:24:31 Stskeeps: (minimal effort to fix some glaring issue) look, it's Nokia ;-P Jun 23 07:24:33 Botsik: :nod: Jun 23 07:24:51 Botsik: i'm leaving saturday for vacation for a bit, too Jun 23 07:25:03 someone just needs to make a similar MTF theme in FOSS, and then put it on the N900 DE Jun 23 07:26:08 Stskeeps, according to a guy who blogged about it, Harmattan took only 9 months. I expected a bit more. Jun 23 07:26:08 not that simple Jun 23 07:26:14 9 months? Jun 23 07:26:20 ah-ha.hahaha Jun 23 07:26:20 :P Jun 23 07:26:24 i like maemo on the n900 just fine as-is Jun 23 07:26:40 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/06/respect.html - "All the blows and all the work in the course of 9 months." Jun 23 07:27:00 Venemo: meaning several people left and problems Jun 23 07:27:03 in those 9 months Jun 23 07:27:34 mhmm Jun 23 07:27:45 ah, so I misunderstood Jun 23 07:27:49 nevermind :) Jun 23 07:28:17 what you more should look at is how damn quickly intel ramped up a QML ux Jun 23 07:29:19 that is nice too Jun 23 07:29:23 well, they don't probably use botches like tana_fi_foobar to accomodate their translators and the process Jun 23 07:29:47 Intel's is nice, but it isn't "swipe" Jun 23 07:29:59 I'm quite sure things like those slow down development quite a bit Jun 23 07:30:26 DocScrutinizer: yes, because those damned chinese doesn't matter? Jun 23 07:30:31 (please note the sarcasm there) Jun 23 07:30:54 anyhow, Intel indeed seems to be a more agile company, and they are a lot more behind MeeGo than Nokia is Jun 23 07:31:03 whatever, there are better ways inhouse, see qt-linguist Jun 23 07:32:27 and honestly no app should break by just removing locale or by setting LANG=C Jun 23 07:33:24 an intel phone could run dosbox better, and do everything else worse Jun 23 07:33:27 there's even proprietary botch in .desktop for this, where it definitely isn't needed Jun 23 07:34:45 (at least in fremantle there's been) Jun 23 07:36:43 you're aware that depending on locale is what makes rootfs bloated with a 29MB size translations file that's rather useless on early boot and could've been moved to /usr proper otherwise Jun 23 07:37:24 (i.E. could've been optified) Jun 23 07:38:37 that's what slows down development speed Jun 23 07:42:05 still, Harmattan is a lot better than what I expected Jun 23 07:45:05 I've not yet touched it Jun 23 07:45:19 me either, but it looks very good Jun 23 07:45:38 even mockups look good usually ;-D Jun 23 07:46:14 only gates manages to announce new OS and get a BSOD Jun 23 08:03:22 DocScrutinizer :D Jun 23 08:10:06 omg did some1 saw THAT : http://mynokiablog.com/2011/06/22/nokia-n950-press-shots-meego-qwerty-devkit/comment-page-1/#comment-108443 Jun 23 08:10:19 no more want a N9, i want the N950 sure Jun 23 08:10:35 sexiest device ever Jun 23 08:11:18 TheBootroo, agreed Jun 23 08:11:57 look at my commment at the bottom of page, i put things in their true place about the MeeGo ecosystem troll Jun 23 08:12:03 ;-) Jun 23 08:12:14 http://mynokiablog.com/2011/06/22/nokia-n950-press-shots-meego-qwerty-devkit/comment-page-1/#comment-108443 Jun 23 08:12:24 ok Jun 23 08:12:31 already posted the same link Jun 23 08:12:34 didn't see Jun 23 08:12:47 no problem Jun 23 08:12:53 yeah, I did read your comment :) Jun 23 08:13:33 Venemo: ok that's what you said 'agreed' about Jun 23 08:14:28 Venemo: i can be a little acid on my comments because it annoys me seeing people who don't understand things to continue to feed a wrong troll Jun 23 08:15:25 so sometimes i try to explain things to restore the truth, even if i know a few number is going to understand and yet fewer will agree.... Jun 23 08:16:55 yeah Jun 23 08:16:57 I understand Jun 23 08:17:15 but since 2 years maemo and moblin merge has been anounced, i never failed in my predicitions about meego and what i thought always finished by arriving, maybe a little later because of nokia internal reorganizing, but i'm pretty sure MeeGo is not death, it's a just born baby with a full life in front of it.... i hope i'm not wrong ... Jun 23 08:17:31 Venemo: you understand and you agree Jun 23 08:17:38 that's great Jun 23 08:19:49 :) Jun 23 08:23:38 oh and in my free time, i'm developping a proto for a new UI for meego Community Edition handset, which will be on pair with N9 one i hope, that how it looks at the moement (not finished at all, but i sleeped at 3:50AM last night so didn't finished huh) : http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/488517Capture10.png Jun 23 08:24:42 the new thing is the apparition of categories separtion in the menu, i don't made the panels view neither expose neither notifications wall at the moment (not finished) but at end it will look very slick Jun 23 08:25:16 i will post landscape screenshots soon Jun 23 08:26:12 TheBootroo, is this a design concept or a working prototype? Jun 23 08:26:54 Venemo: half-working protoype, but not yet compiled for meego, runs on my ubuntu qt dev box Jun 23 08:27:09 TheBootroo, is it based on MTF? Jun 23 08:27:11 a sort of proof of concept Jun 23 08:27:30 Venemo: no its 100% plain C++ Qt4, no MTF, no QML Jun 23 08:27:44 only Qt and a few CSS Jun 23 08:28:26 TheBootroo, based on QWidgets? Jun 23 08:28:31 yes Jun 23 08:28:50 mhm Jun 23 08:29:08 Venemo: i will rewrite the stabilized prototype using QGraphicsItems then Jun 23 08:29:31 its to show my ideas to MeeGo devs by let them play with my proto on every Qt plateform to see the real goodness and maybe fix some glitches if needed Jun 23 08:29:51 Venemo: do you like it (keep in mind its not finished) Jun 23 08:30:18 * timoph would like to see the actual code Jun 23 08:30:45 timoph: i will put it on my gitorious very soon Jun 23 08:30:53 maybe tonight Jun 23 08:31:06 nice Jun 23 08:31:21 timoph: need to refactor a little the code Jun 23 08:32:22 at least it looks a lot better than the current reference handset ux :) Jun 23 08:32:41 Hq`: thx Jun 23 08:33:22 just wait a little time i finish at least the menu page and you will see the real candidate look Jun 23 08:33:33 i need to do some missing icons too Jun 23 08:33:37 but soon everyone will want swipe ;) Jun 23 08:34:08 and code some layouts (in fact only adapt them since i already made them in another project) Jun 23 08:34:48 Hq`: this UX is not swipe based and will never need mutlitouch to work (i'm thinking about N900 users who don't have it) Jun 23 08:35:20 and i want to prove we can do a modern UI without necessary reproducing all Apple hyped paradigms Jun 23 08:36:28 oh and i will not keep symbian Anna icons, snice they are not free and will use another custom theme (a lot of work under inskcape is being done for these icons) Jun 23 08:36:53 morning :) Jun 23 08:37:26 morning Jun 23 08:37:30 bonjour Jun 23 08:37:58 alterego: tu es français ? Jun 23 08:38:09 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/22/nokia-n950-pictures-a-gallerys-worth-of-meego-to-tell-the-stor/ ooooh :) Jun 23 08:38:15 Erm, no Jun 23 08:38:20 ok Jun 23 08:38:26 I just like to greet in different languages :D Jun 23 08:38:56 alterego: :D Jun 23 08:39:04 anyone nearby London this weekend? Jun 23 08:39:06 nice video of N950 with the keyboard getting some use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U8jH_apD2k Jun 23 08:39:12 morning alterego Jun 23 08:39:15 Could do an improvised meetup as I'm here :) Jun 23 08:39:39 flailingmonkey, it's nice, but they speak in some weird language Jun 23 08:39:58 julienf: I'm always near by London, not sure what I'm doing this weekend though. Jun 23 08:40:24 Venemo: I didn't actually have my audio up, so I didn't notice Jun 23 08:40:42 btw, I've mentioned it before at meego-arm. I was looking at all that "swipe" fancy stuff and remembered one thing: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/fremantle-swipe-launch/ Jun 23 08:41:48 root 508 238 0 08:37 ? 00:00:00 sh -c LANG=C gdb --batch -f /usr/bin/mcompositor /tmp/corewatcher/core.344.processed -x /var/lib/corewatcher/ Jun 23 08:41:48 root 509 508 16 08:37 ? 00:00:00 gdb --batch -f /usr/bin/mcompositor /tmp/corewatcher/core.344.processed -x /var/lib/corewatcher/gdb.command Jun 23 08:42:04 my qemu comes black Jun 23 08:42:05 wazd, hmmm Jun 23 08:42:28 and i see this on ps output as some thing unusual Jun 23 08:42:37 any one has any idea? Jun 23 08:42:52 alterego: When do you have some time? Jun 23 08:42:53 Venemo: well, of course it's not a 100% copy :) Jun 23 08:43:19 julienf: I'd have to probably let you know tomorrow. Jun 23 08:44:33 night Jun 23 08:44:36 Test.. Hi! Jun 23 08:45:05 roofboard: hello :) Jun 23 08:45:10 anybody here? Jun 23 08:45:16 kind of Jun 23 08:45:45 cool! i just started using meego this is awesome best netbook os ever! Jun 23 08:45:59 roofboard: awesome :) Jun 23 08:46:07 roofboard, very cool Jun 23 08:47:13 yah man, imean i tried.... the new ubuntu 11, easy peasy, netbook remix, and joli! Jun 23 08:47:15 how about using the tablet ux on a netbook, would be cooler even no ? Jun 23 08:47:34 TheBootroo: eeek :) Jun 23 08:47:43 one wouild need a touch screen.... Jun 23 08:47:58 hey i got a question for yall Jun 23 08:48:15 roofboard: not necessarely Jun 23 08:48:19 jsut use only left mouse button Jun 23 08:48:20 what do you use as an application manager/system monitor? Jun 23 08:48:39 roofboard: XTerm ;-) Jun 23 08:49:04 and sometimes Synaptic and Gnome-System-Monitor (but heavy) Jun 23 08:50:12 did you have to compile them yourself? Jun 23 08:50:26 roofboard: i mean on ubuntu Jun 23 08:50:57 roofboard: i can't use meego since i don't yet have correct hardware (all my devices have nvidia) Jun 23 08:51:32 roofboard: but i believe there is synaptic in meego repos Jun 23 08:51:42 not sure though Jun 23 08:52:06 but you can use Gnome Package kit Jun 23 08:54:36 omm, i typed in synaptic and i got an imput driver! but the gnome package kit is well alot of stuff... Jun 23 08:55:02 what is meego built off? can i use the ppa's from ubuntu? Jun 23 08:55:09 no Jun 23 08:55:17 no the input driver is SynapticS Jun 23 08:55:48 and ubuntu ppa use .deb meego is using .rpm Jun 23 08:56:00 you could maybe use Fedora repos Jun 23 08:57:14 ok, thanks i will try and check out some rpm libraries, btw does antbody know where the repository file is? Jun 23 08:58:32 Hi all, is there any way i can clean my MeeGo1.2 installation without re-installing from the scratch Jun 23 08:59:03 My tablet qemu was working earlier and suddenly started showing black screen Jun 23 08:59:27 i want to clean my set up simillar to a fresh installation Jun 23 08:59:34 without re-installing it Jun 23 08:59:39 Is it possible? Jun 23 09:01:13 bkalinga, i faced similar problems with netbook installation but it appears that we need to reinstall .. are u trying to upgrade to 1.3? Jun 23 09:01:32 1.3 is available?? Jun 23 09:02:05 no i mean an update existing 1.2 ? Jun 23 09:02:42 yes i want to clean everything so that it will behave as a fresh installation Jun 23 09:02:50 I used 17th may image and tried to update it but same issues as yours ended with black screen.. Jun 23 09:02:56 will Maintain MeeGoSDK1.2 will help Jun 23 09:03:10 or it will download again eveything? Jun 23 09:03:51 are u able to get to the console? mirek2 had a tweak .. may be he can help you Jun 23 09:04:08 yes i am able to get console Jun 23 09:04:35 themedaemon crashes so not able to see the ui Jun 23 09:05:33 mirek2, can u please help bkalinga ? it seems u had some tweak which worked for rakesh Jun 23 09:05:56 I was not able to get to the console bkalinga Jun 23 09:06:50 meego@[meego-tablet-sdk]::~$ Jun 23 09:06:58 Message from syslogd@localhost at Thu Jun 23 09:04:17 2011 ... Jun 23 09:06:59 localhost klogd: [ 18.417137] Process mcompositor (pid: 382, ti=f5366000 task=f53649d0 task.ti=f5366000) Jun 23 09:07:08 i am getting these logs repeatedly Jun 23 09:07:15 Message from syslogd@localhost at Thu Jun 23 09:04:52 2011 ... Jun 23 09:07:16 localhost klogd: [ 54.050988] Process mcompositor (pid: 1025, ti=f537e000 task=f20eac50 task.ti=f537e000) Jun 23 09:07:37 pid: changes repeatedly Jun 23 09:07:39 bkalinga: please use pastie.org or similar Jun 23 09:09:57 Gutted Jun 23 09:10:17 there is missing exported one variable in QT Jun 23 09:10:31 I think Jun 23 09:12:28 mirek2: you mean export QT_IM_MODULE=MInputContext Jun 23 09:13:06 yes and anotherone I think Jun 23 09:13:15 ok now I remmember Jun 23 09:13:39 soemthing QT_MEEGOGRAPHICSYSTEM or similar Jun 23 09:14:11 who should export It Jun 23 09:21:47 has anybody had any luck using garage? Jun 23 09:23:27 garage is not up yet Jun 23 09:23:27 empty shell / place holder Jun 23 09:23:30 ;-) Jun 23 09:23:48 well... no wonder it doesnt seem to work! Jun 23 09:24:39 im having trouble figuring out how to add repositories, i checked out a few recepies online but they didnt seem to pan out and ideas? Jun 23 09:25:48 I don't think there will be a garage Jun 23 09:26:01 just c. OBS and Apps and so on Jun 23 09:26:18 obs? Jun 23 09:26:33 gitorious for projects code Jun 23 09:26:45 gitorious ROX da wurld Jun 23 09:27:20 umm well does it have a repository? how do i add it? Jun 23 09:27:22 roofboard: http://wiki.meego.com/OBS Jun 23 09:28:35 ok, i think i get it now! Jun 23 09:32:09 still no ideas on how to install new repositories? Jun 23 09:32:19 zypper ar Jun 23 09:32:21 ? Jun 23 09:33:40 because i need to find a task manager and their is none in the stock set of repos Jun 23 09:34:14 when i install "meego-ivi-ia32-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1.img " in my tablet,I found the resulotion is not correct. My tablet is 1024*600, but the ui only 800*480. The left and bottom border is black. Jun 23 09:34:54 how to fixed this problem? Jun 23 09:34:59 is their a quit hot key? Jun 23 09:36:42 I found someone have commit this bug.https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12455 Jun 23 09:36:45 Bug 12455 nor, Medium, ---, jesse.barnes, NEW, Displayed UI does not adapt to available screen resolution Jun 23 09:38:56 leo: iirc there was a mailing list discussion about ivi reference ux that ivi people don't really care about the reference ux since manufactures will do their own anyway. So I wouldn't get my hopes up for out of the box great ux with ivi images. Jun 23 09:42:07 But i install the netbook image. The problem also exist Jun 23 09:42:19 morning Jun 23 09:42:40 why not use the tablet images? Jun 23 09:43:57 i try all the image include tablet. found the same problem Jun 23 09:44:21 what tablet you're using? Jun 23 09:44:24 exopc? Jun 23 09:44:56 at least on my exopc the resolution is correct Jun 23 09:44:58 My device is z530+gma500.so i must use "kernel-adaptation-intel-automotive" and "@X for IVI" packages Jun 23 09:45:39 ah. so it's an hardware adaptation issue Jun 23 09:46:19 since I'd think your device is not one of the supported reference devices Jun 23 09:48:15 so you'd have to do some adaptation work to get it working correctly Jun 23 09:48:39 but i install this image "http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/nokia_3g_booklet/mg-netbook-ia32-1.1.99.5.20110502.85.iso". every thing is ok Jun 23 09:48:42 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed Jun 23 09:49:05 that's a modified unofficial image Jun 23 09:49:20 apparently it has the needed changes Jun 23 09:50:48 no idea what those changes are though :) Jun 23 09:50:59 dm8tbr: any idea ^ Jun 23 09:53:30 is x config's problem? Jun 23 10:04:45 ok, i start my vacation now, so next 1,5 weeks i'm not as active here than usually Jun 23 10:05:49 Going somewhere nice? Jun 23 10:06:24 SpeedEvil, trying to have life :D nothing special Jun 23 10:06:53 :) Jun 23 10:10:38 is forummeego.com sloooow for anybody else, or is that my carrier's routing? Jun 23 10:16:25 Firefox can't find the server at www.forummeego.com. Jun 23 10:18:27 forum.meego.com Jun 23 10:18:36 sorry Jun 23 10:19:16 some real URL: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?s=24dbf6179cfdef5914133c9eeb885862&t=3597&page=7 Jun 23 10:19:35 loads acceptably fast here Jun 23 10:19:49 (is this git or what? URLs of similar length) Jun 23 10:20:00 SpeedEvil: thanks Jun 23 10:20:16 I guess my carrier has some issues. IPv6? Jun 23 10:20:44 migth have to use mtr a bit Jun 23 10:24:48 argh! i cannot figure out how to add more repositories! can anybody help? Jun 23 10:25:46 gconftool-2 shows different value in different console (I logged in multiple terminals to the tablet ) Jun 23 10:32:01 nobody? Jun 23 10:32:58 roofboard: zypper ar http://repourl repo-name Jun 23 10:33:06 as root or with sudo Jun 23 10:33:30 then zypper ref and of you go installing things :) Jun 23 10:34:06 like this? sudo zypper ar https://git.gitorious.org/meego-community-extras-client/client.git Jun 23 10:35:19 rather... sudo zypper ar git://gitorious.org/meego-community-extras-client/client.git Jun 23 10:36:19 well that won't work Jun 23 10:36:57 you're trying to add a git repo instead of a rpm repo Jun 23 10:37:23 ok, so gits dont work? Jun 23 10:37:28 git == version control for source code not packages Jun 23 10:38:46 oh, ok. Jun 23 10:41:25 well, i tried this http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=567 Jun 23 10:41:37 no luck. Jun 23 10:42:13 everybody seems to refrence adding repositories that i guess arent repositories. Jun 23 10:46:26 does anybody know of a good guide online for adding repos to meego? Jun 23 10:46:42 hey everybody Jun 23 10:47:18 can anybody tell me how can I send notifications to Events screen from Harmattan app? Jun 23 10:48:52 goshakkk: have you managed to add repositories to meego? Jun 23 10:49:37 roofboard: I have no Nokia N9 Devkit, how can I? Jun 23 10:50:21 has anybody worked on SMACK with meego Jun 23 10:51:04 goshakkk: nevermind, ive just been beading my head against the wall trying to get a new repo on here. Jun 23 10:52:20 roofboard: ok. So I presume you haven't worked with Notifications and Events screen in MeeGo/Harmattan, right> Jun 23 10:52:27 right?* Jun 23 10:52:29 roofboard, which system? Jun 23 10:53:26 goshakkk: no never heard of it Jun 23 10:53:35 meego 1.2 notebook Jun 23 10:53:53 roofboard: clear Jun 23 10:54:17 So no one have worked with notifications in harmattan??? Jun 23 10:54:52 lcuk: what up? do you know how to get new repos? Jun 23 10:54:54 goshakkk: please ask on the appropiate harmattan development forums, if it's not qt, qt mobility it doesn't belong here Jun 23 10:55:00 goshakkk, this is a MeeGo upstream channel. You talk about an unreleased downstream implementation. Jun 23 10:55:50 Stskeeps andre__: ok Jun 23 10:56:01 roofboard, new repos to do what? Jun 23 10:56:03 developers.nokia.com would be a good start Jun 23 10:56:41 Stskeeps: thanks Jun 23 10:57:13 well, i cannot find a good process manager in the stock repos so i am looking to add a new repository maybe the fedora one Jun 23 10:57:45 roofboard, are fedora repositories meego compatible? Jun 23 10:58:01 i have no idea! Jun 23 10:58:02 is that not like trying to install an installshield exe in linux? Jun 23 10:58:31 why not just add debian repos!? Jun 23 10:58:37 lcuk: o/ Jun 23 10:58:49 i didnt know i could use .deb Jun 23 10:59:19 then i guess i could use the repos from ubuntu Jun 23 10:59:39 but reguardless i cannot seem to get them into the package manager! Jun 23 10:59:48 hiya timoph \o Jun 23 10:59:52 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP#P Jun 23 10:59:56 and im not that good with command line Jun 23 10:59:57 has game repository Jun 23 11:00:09 timoph, the space invaders game is qml/qt based Jun 23 11:00:14 cool Jun 23 11:00:56 oh. haven't been keeping my doings in synch with that page :/ Jun 23 11:01:40 timoph, its not requirement of course, but it is good to explain to others Jun 23 11:02:01 yep. helps to avoid duplicate work Jun 23 11:02:33 roofboard, the available packages directly on meego are not end user full complete every bit of source code ever created since mankind evolved Jun 23 11:02:39 but only the required bits for the ux Jun 23 11:03:32 rightr so i should just have to manually compile everything i want to install? Jun 23 11:03:59 ok, i got the game, Jun 23 11:04:12 I prefer to package the things I need Jun 23 11:04:14 roofboard, :D Jun 23 11:04:26 what does that mean? Jun 23 11:04:35 packaging? Jun 23 11:04:38 follow timoph, he is doing the "build your own lightsabre" approach Jun 23 11:04:49 and storing the results on his own repository Jun 23 11:06:52 roofboard: since you seem to be new to packaging I'm sure other (including me) will help you get needed software packaged if you just ask politely :) Jun 23 11:07:20 darn as soon as things start happening its for now i have to make rounds for a few hours :-( Jun 23 11:07:29 four Jun 23 11:07:36 I want to test newest translations from Transifex, but It looks like my MeeGo 1.2 uses older versions of them. How can I update it? Jun 23 11:07:54 roofboard: post the things you are missing to the forums. easier to follow them there Jun 23 11:09:48 oh. he left already.. Jun 23 11:12:15 Reminder: Want to know more about MeeGo ? Get to Birmingham UK TODAY !!!! http://mge.bz/bX #Meetup #Linux #Intel #OpenSource #Nokia #N9 Jun 23 11:12:54 MeeGoExperts, do you have lamars classes there? Jun 23 11:13:07 For YOU? Yes ! Jun 23 11:13:18 not me Jun 23 11:13:28 :-( Jun 23 11:13:30 * lcuk not giving birth :P Jun 23 11:13:47 You still coming ? Jun 23 11:14:07 Can anyone point me to how to get Harmattan running in vmware/qemu or so? Jun 23 11:14:30 developer.nokia.com or something? Jun 23 11:14:40 don't think so, she is pottering around between show and waters Jun 23 11:14:55 * lcuk wearing mac and wellies Jun 23 11:14:57 Make it if you can. It should be good :-) Jun 23 11:15:05 * jussi wants to play/start investigating the system Jun 23 11:15:06 of course it should be good Jun 23 11:15:11 :-) Jun 23 11:15:21 Better if you came …. obviously :-) Jun 23 11:15:48 jussi, i think the timoph's answer is the only correct one Jun 23 11:16:27 iekku: a little more detail would be helpful... Jun 23 11:17:47 jussi: harmattan's practically maemo6, so looking at it would require grabbing nokia's material for it, sdks, etc Jun 23 11:18:21 villager! Jun 23 11:18:22 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo/ Jun 23 11:18:28 there's the public information Jun 23 11:19:34 * timoph is off to spend mid-summer in beautiful eastern Finland Jun 23 11:19:47 timoph, \o/ Jun 23 11:19:49 timoph: And packaging games I guess? :) Jun 23 11:20:10 timoph, have a nice trip! Jun 23 11:20:12 timoph: Enjoy midsummer :) Jun 23 11:20:20 X-Fade: most likely - especially if it rains :) Jun 23 11:20:32 timoph, enjoy your vacation Jun 23 11:20:36 o/ Jun 23 11:21:15 timoph: hehe, well let's hope you have nice weather. Get away from it all.. Jun 23 11:21:50 timoph: enjoy :) Jun 23 11:23:12 doesn't look too picturesque in helsinki Jun 23 11:24:14 cold, rainy and even towards being stormy - elop style treatment for positive attitudes Jun 23 11:31:07 timoph / leo - the images are done by anab1s, there should be a kickstart file together with it which should make it possible to follow up the changes Jun 23 11:31:31 MeeGoExperts: pingy Jun 23 11:44:24 hi. Is anyone using meego on the n900 for daily use yet? Jun 23 11:44:50 some are trying, but it's definately close Jun 23 11:45:00 try it out for yourself and submit bug reports Jun 23 11:45:09 hey... its repository guy again! Jun 23 11:45:25 you better be better than PNG guy Jun 23 11:45:55 i got a question am i on the right path i am trying to add this repository well... is this what i should be looking at? Jun 23 11:45:58 https://gitorious.org/meego-community-extras-client Jun 23 11:46:39 roofboard: No, that doesn't do anything for you yet. Jun 23 11:47:24 anybody have a good write up to help me expand my list of software options? Jun 23 11:49:39 Nils^, it took a massive step closer when we got N900-maemo contacts to be visible and accessible on n900-ce Jun 23 11:50:15 as long as you export your contacts from maemo (simple, just open contacts and use the export menu, use default options) Jun 23 11:50:34 then whn you flash the meego-ce image, it will mount the eMMC partition and import your contacts Jun 23 11:50:46 o starting meego with a full complement of friends Jun 23 11:51:21 ok, well is their a meego-notebook forum? Jun 23 11:52:38 roofboard, I heard from DawnFoster that she has office installed on her netbook Jun 23 11:52:46 i have installed libxkbfile-devel in my qemu terminal; is there a way i can make these available in my MeeGo SDK; so that i can compile meegotouch-inputmethodkeyboard component using meego-sdk-qtcreator on my Ubuntu Host machine Jun 23 11:52:47 so it is possible to add extra repositories Jun 23 11:52:53 I just don't know which they are Jun 23 11:53:30 interesting, Jun 23 11:53:44 i just need to google dawn... Jun 23 11:56:37 i just don't get why MeeGo SDK is not developer friendly or i have some fundamentally wrong concept how to use an SKD :( Jun 23 11:57:05 bkalinga, elite class developers only Jun 23 11:57:15 you must level up Jun 23 11:58:02 bkalinga yum install beer first Jun 23 11:59:31 my fundamental says SDK should give all the dependencies to build the code, else some how we can add the missing component to it Jun 23 12:00:11 stskeeps, lcuk: I'm doing a maemo backup right now and then I will try to install meego Jun 23 12:00:12 bkalinga, what sdk do you have and what are you trying to build? Jun 23 12:00:19 Nils^, \o/ Jun 23 12:00:48 if you are installing onto MicroSD, flashing the kernel in once only mode is simple and unobtrusive Jun 23 12:00:48 i have MeeGo 1.2 sdk and trying to build meegotouch-inputmethodkeyboard taken from git Jun 23 12:00:59 bkalinga, ok Jun 23 12:01:04 call into #meego-inputmethods Jun 23 12:01:08 now libxkbfile-devel is missing in my MeeGo 1.2 SDK Jun 23 12:01:12 lcuk: has internal install better performance? Jun 23 12:01:17 and ask for hint on whether your sdk is configured correctly Jun 23 12:01:25 or what else you need to build Jun 23 12:01:39 I have a backup now, I don't care if my maemo breaks. I have to reflash it anyway since custom kernels and apps broke the system partly Jun 23 12:01:58 how #meego-inputmethods will help me if libxkbfile-devel is missing in my system Jun 23 12:02:10 Nils^, it removes ability to maintain maemo Jun 23 12:02:15 which is very negative Jun 23 12:02:22 i can install that using zypper install libxkbfile-devel Jun 23 12:02:35 bkalinga, because the inputmethods people build the inputmethodkeyboard everyday Jun 23 12:02:37 but after installing that is part of runtime Jun 23 12:02:47 * lcuk bangs head Jun 23 12:02:57 bkalinga, so if it is installed what is the problem? Jun 23 12:03:13 lcuk: maintain maemo means...? Can I reflash with maemo if I want it back? Jun 23 12:03:24 I am trying to use mic-image-creator, I have updated the .ks file to add my own repo, and added the extra packages that I want. But it does not just add the packages I want to the image it adds the contents of the whole repo Jun 23 12:03:33 Nils^, you can reflash it yeah Jun 23 12:03:43 zypper install libxkbfile-devel makes the package part of meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1-runtime Jun 23 12:03:45 but to date the normal meego build has been onto microsd and simpler Jun 23 12:03:46 :) Jun 23 12:03:55 any idea how I can jsut get it to add the 2 packages that I want ? Jun 23 12:03:59 lcuk: as long I can go back to the factory settings its ok. Jun 23 12:04:28 :D Nils^ let us know your experiences then Jun 23 12:04:41 but not available in my build libraries (i build using meego-sdk-qtcreator) Jun 23 12:05:36 bkalinga, application sdk vs system sdk? Jun 23 12:06:07 luck: in wiki its given that we can follow 2 approaches Jun 23 12:06:11 one is qemu Jun 23 12:06:18 one is Xypher Jun 23 12:06:28 i am following QEMU Jun 23 12:06:39 i installed MeeGo1.2 SDK Jun 23 12:06:57 then launch meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1-runtime Jun 23 12:07:25 then login to it using ssh meego@127.0.0.1 -p 6666 Jun 23 12:07:53 now i get the qemu console there i can install the libxkbfile-devel Jun 23 12:08:02 using zypper install libxkbfile-devel Jun 23 12:08:07 bkalinga, ok and which git repository did you get the latest inputmethodskeyboard package from Jun 23 12:09:01 lcuk: any mail today? Jun 23 12:09:07 (post) Jun 23 12:09:22 luck:# On branch master Jun 23 12:10:31 luck :/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/sysroots/meego-tablet-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1-fs/ this contains the SDK header file and libraries Jun 23 12:11:05 now is there any elegant way so that we can add missing component to the SDK Jun 23 12:11:18 luovanto Jun 23 12:11:18 Jun 23 12:11:18 @lcuk N950 in use? I simply want liqbase to Ovi Store asap and will learn to code myself if that's it what it takes :) Jun 23 12:11:42 * alterego chuckles Jun 23 12:11:43 Would - in principle - liqbase be the 'window manager' Jun 23 12:11:46 nice words from the designer of swipe.nokia.com Jun 23 12:11:50 Who said that lcuk ? Jun 23 12:11:58 Ah luovanto Jun 23 12:12:33 i showed the project_42 screenshot from last night http://liqbase.net/liq.20110623_015300.liqbase-playground.scr.png Jun 23 12:12:45 Hehe, those videos of luovanto with the device walking through singapore. Priceless :) Jun 23 12:12:59 berndhs offered the name for the new programming language Jun 23 12:13:28 X-Fade: got a link? Jun 23 12:13:50 pabs3: In the initial Engadget article. Jun 23 12:18:15 lcuk: do you know where the contact backup file is if I exported it with the internal maemo export? Jun 23 12:18:37 Nils^, on English devices: Jun 23 12:18:52 MyDocs/Exported contacts/*.vcard Jun 23 12:19:09 one file per contact Jun 23 12:19:51 Jun 23 12:19:51 luovanto Jussi Mäkinen Jun 23 12:19:51 @lcuk & @jaffa2 Consider it taken care of as I get back to Finland. Jun 23 12:19:58 Jaffa, :D:D:D Jun 23 12:20:12 ah, I had to update my sftp client.. Jun 23 12:20:24 * lcuk does a little dance Jun 23 12:20:50 That's not fair. Jun 23 12:20:53 What about me! Jun 23 12:20:59 * alterego chuckles Jun 23 12:21:07 Bah, too many finns involved with meego, so much chance of random hilights Jun 23 12:21:30 jussi, :D Jun 23 12:22:26 lcuk: It couldn't have happened to a more deserving person. Jun 23 12:22:54 (that I can remember at the moment - there probably are 391 people I've just moretally offended) Jun 23 12:23:02 lcuk: tell him to send me one if you want me help :P Jun 23 12:23:05 :) Jun 23 12:23:12 I do want your help alterego Jun 23 12:23:37 you know what we discussed last weekend, and to do even some of it will need all the various OSes around Nokia ;) Jun 23 12:24:27 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/22/editorial-dear-nokia-you-cannot-be-serious/ Jun 23 12:25:08 mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable/ 22.06.2011 23:46 - Jun 23 12:25:10 lcuk: see tweet :P Jun 23 12:25:11 mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-testing/ Jun 23 12:25:12 which of these? Jun 23 12:27:00 alterego, seen and noted :) Jun 23 12:27:46 Hah, that isn't a contractual obligation! Jun 23 12:27:48 * alterego chuckles Jun 23 12:27:52 But you have my help :) Jun 23 12:28:42 alterego, will need the help of quite a few more if we are to bring meego together properly Jun 23 12:28:59 Indeed Jun 23 12:35:00 lcuk: have you had mail today? Jun 23 12:37:16 alterego, yes but only with lukes clothes mountain Jun 23 12:37:37 :) Jun 23 12:37:40 he ordered a couple of pairs of shoes and a mountain of new gear Jun 23 12:39:04 shit: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/23/nokias-first-windows-phone-images-and-video/ Jun 23 12:39:30 OOOOHHH Jun 23 12:39:32 TROLOLOLOLO Jun 23 12:39:38 You all been trolled Jun 23 12:41:14 I have a problem with flashing. the flasher says Unable to enumerate USB devices! Jun 23 12:41:25 alterego, hackers device. Jun 23 12:41:27 chill Jun 23 12:41:29 is this a problem that can be solved with -u Specifiy an alternate usb interface. Default usb0 (optional) Jun 23 12:41:33 ? Jun 23 12:42:30 Nils^: -U is of the format 0000:0000 Jun 23 12:42:44 You need to use lsusb to find the the bus and device numbers Jun 23 12:42:46 Bus 001 Device 014: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) Jun 23 12:42:49 Sorry it's 000:000 Jun 23 12:42:58 So something like -U 002:003 Jun 23 12:43:06 alterego, I'd like to see what else he said, more than what's in the video Jun 23 12:43:16 Termana: yeah. Jun 23 12:44:01 "Oh change of rules _you_ need an N9 or N950 to get in tonight" Jun 23 12:44:06 What a joker :P Jun 23 12:48:01 DocScrutinizer, ping Jun 23 12:48:14 lcuk: pong Jun 23 12:48:34 moo wazzup? Jun 23 12:48:35 hey Doc, we seem to have a small niggle in the n900-ce Jun 23 12:48:47 relating to keyboard backlights Jun 23 12:48:48 shoot Jun 23 12:48:56 we don't know how to get them to turn on properly Jun 23 12:48:58 aah Jun 23 12:49:13 you need access to LP5523 Jun 23 12:49:28 sysfs Jun 23 12:49:28 i think it is related to maliit/input methods too so mikhas and araujo would normally be pinged Jun 23 12:49:51 ahh Jun 23 12:50:01 similar to how MohammadAG turned on the knight rider lights? Jun 23 12:50:08 yep Jun 23 12:50:16 ahh Jun 23 12:50:24 but was that not monitored by mce or something? Jun 23 12:50:35 i remember having to disable something Jun 23 12:50:35 I discourrage following mce's idiotic method of wasting an engine for that Jun 23 12:50:42 sure Jun 23 12:50:45 we are in meego Jun 23 12:50:49 so not same issue Jun 23 12:50:58 :) just discussing what has been highlighted as an issue Jun 23 12:51:12 knight rider lights? :) Jun 23 12:51:37 if your 'mce' doesn't do that engine3-foo then simply echo 100>kb-led:*/brightness Jun 23 12:51:37 ShadowJK, MohammadAG showed me a script to turn each light on the n900 keyboard on Jun 23 12:51:45 wanted to do a VU with them Jun 23 12:51:52 so I did knight rider thing with em ;) Jun 23 12:52:42 /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb1/brightness Jun 23 12:53:02 ...kb6/ Jun 23 12:53:10 well, start it in meego, ctrl-c, and check if it stays in the position you stopped it in. Expose als to different levels of light, close/pen keyboard. If leds went out, some app turned them off Jun 23 12:53:35 *some* app? ;-P Jun 23 12:53:40 ~lart mce Jun 23 12:53:40 * infobot installs PocketPC on mce's PDA Jun 23 12:54:17 led_current seems to work better than brightness. try 50 for led current, maemo seems to use that Jun 23 12:55:44 ShadowJK, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3pvdFpA1II :P Jun 23 12:55:54 you might want to check /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb*/led_current which is 50 on maemo Jun 23 12:56:07 meh, ShadowJK beaten me Jun 23 12:57:33 I recommend not to play too much with led_current, it's just the setting for max allowable electrical current thru LED, and you might burn LED when messing with this value Jun 23 12:58:00 unit 0.1mA iirc Jun 23 12:58:08 brightness seems to do nothing Jun 23 12:58:21 so 5mA sounds about right for that type of component Jun 23 12:58:38 0, 100, 255. emitted light doesn't change Jun 23 12:58:46 seems only led_current makes any difference Jun 23 12:58:47 strange Jun 23 12:58:57 make sure engine is disabled Jun 23 12:59:38 also, for obvious reasons, don't enter any command on device's kbd ;-P Jun 23 12:59:56 or simply kill mce Jun 23 13:00:03 the bugger Jun 23 13:02:37 also check you haven't got that broken LP5523 driver that comes with powerkernel, it has a "fix" that's breaking more than it actually fixes Jun 23 13:02:53 * ShadowJK doesn't have powerkernel Jun 23 13:03:43 yeah, I see same problem here atm, alas I can't follow up and investigate right now, have to get fuel for gray mater Jun 23 13:04:43 I know however I played with this stuff last year when moh asked me how to build such knightrider thing iirc, and I'm sure I didn't touch led_current Jun 23 13:08:48 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/ Jun 23 13:09:55 cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/engine3_mode ;# probably Jun 23 13:15:31 echo load >/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/engine3_mode; echo 255 >/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/leds\:lp5523\:kb3/brightness Jun 23 13:15:47 works on completely idle and locked device Jun 23 13:16:03 HTH Jun 23 13:16:05 o/ Jun 23 13:16:34 FINALLY its flashing.. i hope.. I see something on the n900 screen but its very dark. Jun 23 13:16:45 give it a bit Jun 23 13:17:06 it says something about cannot assign (network) adress. But that shouldn't be a problem I guess Jun 23 13:18:36 lcuk: :-) Jun 23 13:19:02 lcuk: But luovanto could be taking a traditional Nordic summer holiday and spending 6 weeks in Asia ;-) Jun 23 13:22:17 Jaffa, that is ok by me Jun 23 13:22:30 I have waited long enough to see this, a few more weeks are ok by me :) Jun 23 13:23:26 should I see anything during installl? anywhere? Jun 23 13:23:37 n900 inst Jun 23 13:25:53 Nils^, dd copy is mostly void of illumination Jun 23 13:26:06 would you like to offer a patch to allow playing games whilst dd progresses? Jun 23 13:27:07 lcuk: you seen my last cmdline post? Jun 23 13:27:37 DocScrutinizer, oh awesome Jun 23 13:27:41 is that on meego-ce? Jun 23 13:27:53 just make sure yiur led_current is on 50 (default) Jun 23 13:27:54 have you tried the summer version? Jun 23 13:28:00 nope, maemo Jun 23 13:28:08 sysfs path may differ on meego Jun 23 13:29:04 suggest find /sys -name '*5523*' Jun 23 13:29:42 (which is btw how a lot of system scripts deal with the ever changing sysfs pathnames) Jun 23 13:30:42 can I have my N9 with meego-proper and kbd now, please? ;-P Jun 23 13:31:18 You can have an N9 with meego-proper Jun 23 13:31:32 and I can tape a bluetooth keyboard on for you Jun 23 13:33:04 with plutonium cell for power please Jun 23 13:40:39 lcuk: since 20 minutes the n900 screen shows "Starting netcat for initial connection check". or maybe something different, its hard to read. there seems to be no light in the screen. its dark-grey on black :) Jun 23 13:41:16 Nils^: ah, you're doing emmc install Jun 23 13:41:21 Nils^, did you install the normal way onto microsd, or did you try the eMMC Jun 23 13:41:35 eMMC Jun 23 13:41:42 this is my host terminal output http://pastebin.com/2LPbQvvN Jun 23 13:44:46 what kind of "mce" do you guys use for meego ? Jun 23 13:44:58 alterego, full video: http://www.technet.hu/telefon/20110624/exkluziv_video_elop_bemutatja_az_elso_windowsos_nokiat/ Jun 23 13:45:01 DocScrutinizer: mce Jun 23 13:45:26 aaaah, yes. Does it mess with kbd backlight? Jun 23 13:45:37 not afaik Jun 23 13:45:41 well, not atm Jun 23 13:45:44 fair enough Jun 23 13:46:08 anyone know if its possible to run on a CPU that does not have SSE3? Jun 23 13:46:24 yes, but it wouldn't be meego/meego compliant Jun 23 13:46:37 then the echo load >engine3 maybe isn't needed, but maybe some other init stuff for LP5523 isn't done properly without mce Jun 23 13:48:53 Stskeeps: i guess i would have to build my own version? looking for something to run navigation on an old via c3 1.2ghz board Jun 23 13:49:29 t_j: yeah, basically, set up a obs, import meego source, modify compiler flags, let it brew for a week Jun 23 13:49:59 Stskeeps: i cant cross build on a fater box for it? Jun 23 13:50:24 t_j: well, obs would be on a faster box ;) Jun 23 13:51:48 humm its IVI nagigation seems to just be navit.. Jun 23 13:52:43 Termana: can't watch it right now, is it as bleak as that post seems to infur? Jun 23 13:53:19 could somebody test >> for led in `find /sys -name 'leds:lp5523*kb?'`; do echo $led; echo 255 >${led}/brightness; done Jun 23 13:53:24 alterego, I'm not sure. It's 21 minutes, I'm only 3 into it. It's not loading well, keeps buffering. Jun 23 13:54:04 and tell me if this lights up kbd backlight Jun 23 13:54:28 t_j: there should be better qt based things out there, it's just a reference anyway Jun 23 13:56:20 Stskeeps: is mce managin indicator patterns as usual? Jun 23 13:56:31 DocScrutinizer: afaik Jun 23 13:56:31 Hi, someone is asking in the MeeGo forum how to force fullscreen in a Qt Quick app using components but I can't find the documentation or a code example. Jun 23 13:56:44 qgil: mainWindow.something, probably Jun 23 13:56:45 My usual contacts are out of reach, probably in their way to the Finnish countryside since a long weekend is just starting :) Jun 23 13:56:48 so module lp5523 should be loaded Jun 23 13:57:10 qgil: mainWindow.showFullScreen(), i think Jun 23 13:58:00 hi qgil Jun 23 13:58:29 it should be showFullScreen() Jun 23 13:58:38 Stskeeps: could you take a minute to test that shell cmdline ^^^ ? Jun 23 13:58:48 How are qt components apps launched? Jun 23 13:58:54 Not qmlviewer? Jun 23 13:59:02 DocScrutinizer: i'm deep in fixing glibc and my n900 with meego is charging Jun 23 13:59:16 oh, so not then :-) Jun 23 13:59:31 I'll do it, hang on. Jun 23 13:59:36 :-) Jun 23 13:59:39 thanks Jun 23 13:59:40 thanks! Jun 23 14:00:24 \o qgil Jun 23 14:00:57 I think lcuk should test it ;-P he asked Jun 23 14:01:17 lcuk: for led in `find /sys -name 'leds:lp5523*kb?'`; do echo $led; echo 255 >${led}/brightness; done Jun 23 14:01:25 DocScrutinizer, yes, sidetracked with family will test when I boot it up in a short while Jun 23 14:03:06 ok.. 40 minutes of initial netcat is enough. This looks like the install is totally stuck Jun 23 14:03:30 hah, yeah Jun 23 14:03:39 Nils^: i'd put it in a wall charger by now Jun 23 14:03:58 Stskeeps: I have the usb port blocked by the usb cable :) Jun 23 14:04:22 which is good enough for chager Jun 23 14:04:38 after ctrl+c there is something new on the display, but its so hard to read... Jun 23 14:04:55 DocScrutinizer: yes it works Jun 23 14:05:01 thanks Jun 23 14:05:16 I now have a backlit keyboard ;) Jun 23 14:05:38 alterego: URL anywhere? In the docs I can onmly can find references about QmainWindow Jun 23 14:06:09 qgil: I'm not sure with qt components, do you know how they're launching the application? Jun 23 14:06:13 expecting image type: bz2; checking where to write the image; can't open /some/path no such file or directory Jun 23 14:06:16 so, if you're keen to see that friggin fade-in/out effect of maemo for kbs bl, do it in a for loop via sw, ramping up brightness from 0...255 - don't use engine_3 of lp5523 for that as mce in maemo does, please Jun 23 14:06:18 well this looks like an error Jun 23 14:07:41 qgil, high 5 on the n9 :) most impressive to see it Jun 23 14:08:14 alterego: a guy is asking how to do this with QWidget, and my answer is that he should go better for Qt Quick - and I want to send him to the right doc page describing how to use mainWindow Jun 23 14:08:36 thx lcuk - finally I can do something better than putting a poker face Jun 23 14:09:05 hope this means more villagers now for the next conference Jun 23 14:09:26 * gabrbedd cues Lady Gaga Jun 23 14:09:27 or, at very least, don't *permanently* occupy one engine for that. As indicator light and kbd bl ramp-up/down are virtually mutually exclusive usecases, you could use one engine to do the ramping for kbd, the restore that engine to previous state and free it up again Jun 23 14:09:38 qgil: using qwidget is fine, he just needs to call showFullScreen in his C++ code instead of show() Jun 23 14:11:04 alterego: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23114&postcount=4 Jun 23 14:11:27 "QWidget::showFullScreen() doesn't work on Harmattan (at least in QEMU-runtime)." Jun 23 14:12:21 Interesting .. Jun 23 14:12:23 that sounds worrying Jun 23 14:12:58 qgil: ask the guy to dpkg -e meegotouch-qt-style or whatever it's named and see if it helps any (even though it de-theme's stuff) Jun 23 14:13:05 * Stskeeps has to go to dinner Jun 23 14:13:06 bbl Jun 23 14:13:11 lcuk: alterego confirmed the cmdline works Jun 23 14:14:11 Okay, I'll recommend he put his qwidget in a main window using setCentralWidget Jun 23 14:14:12 I'm flashing maemo back and then try to install meego on a microsd card Jun 23 14:14:17 Unless you wanna? :) Jun 23 14:14:24 qgil: any chances to get the N9(50) hw schematics (under NDA if needed) to help me give technical advice for that device? Jun 23 14:14:42 ++ if possible from me Jun 23 14:14:56 I think he should get them too :) Jun 23 14:16:02 * MohammadAG votes for that too Jun 23 14:16:25 Really looking forward to getting Columbus working on an N9(50) with magnetic compass :) Jun 23 14:16:37 :) Jun 23 14:16:41 And it'll force me to QML-ify the rest. Jun 23 14:16:53 I have lots of projects in mind Jun 23 14:17:16 It's gonna look so cool, those rings in my compass widget were intended to show both gps bearing and compass needle :) Jun 23 14:17:31 But now I can tell which way the device is oriented! :D Jun 23 14:17:36 alterego: I've posted a reply Jun 23 14:17:44 oh right, we have a compass :D Jun 23 14:17:46 Okay, cheers, Jun 23 14:18:10 There looks to be an actual compass app already, But Columbus is obviously better ;) Jun 23 14:18:35 It'll also mean I can get it updated for maemo5, meego ce and harmattan Jun 23 14:18:39 Should be cool. Jun 23 14:18:41 QWidget might sound like a good idea for someone used to it, but then if you look at the rest of the questions you see that he will probably have a better live with Qt Quick & components: nice swipes and text forms knowing how to deal automatically with the hardware keyboard Jun 23 14:19:39 DocScrutinizer: contact http://developer.nokia.com for any professional related requests Jun 23 14:19:56 qgil: will do Jun 23 14:20:13 alas I think they aren't interested Jun 23 14:20:19 qgil: I was told that usb host should be easier in N9(50) devices, do you have any info on that? Jun 23 14:20:28 DocScrutinizer, apply for a developer device Jun 23 14:20:30 as that's strictly community, not professional Jun 23 14:20:37 DocScrutinizer, do let me know if you get a device and if you find bq* or other documented bms related chips :-) Jun 23 14:20:37 lcuk: I did Jun 23 14:20:39 and put your very clear reasoning and what beneifts you can bring Jun 23 14:20:40 And how it might be different to N900? Jun 23 14:20:43 good :) Jun 23 14:20:55 then those that are not daft will examine and check and see whats what Jun 23 14:21:03 you do not know until you hear back Jun 23 14:21:48 * ShadowJK 'd want to make a realtime power gauge tool for N9 too, but it's always hardware specific stuff Jun 23 14:22:42 lcuk: (very clear reasoning) too late :-) I just mentioned general hw, low level drive, and kernel stuff, incl apps to fix thing, and referred to konttori for the rest Jun 23 14:23:22 you can modify your submission Jun 23 14:23:32 aaah, might do Jun 23 14:23:47 won't help for the schematics either way Jun 23 14:23:49 I have heard about some great potential projects for this Jun 23 14:23:54 maybe, maybe not Jun 23 14:24:03 but it would hark back to the Amiga days Jun 23 14:24:11 where out of the box you got schematics Jun 23 14:24:19 yeah Jun 23 14:25:10 speaking of schematics, seen what google has done for accessories? Jun 23 14:25:58 ShadowJK, what? Jun 23 14:27:34 DocScrutinizer: well, in the way you describe it it is not easy even for me to see the interest :) Jun 23 14:27:51 of schematics sharing? Jun 23 14:28:04 alterego: no idea about usb-host but if you can get ahold of Kate Alhola I suspect she knows Jun 23 14:28:08 or of application for DDP Jun 23 14:29:02 DocScrutinizer: "community" and "NDA" don'0t mix well, that is the problem Jun 23 14:29:20 I'm aware of that problem Jun 23 14:29:23 Android Open Accessory kit. Specs for talking and interfacing to android devices. The net is now full of electronics kits with MCUs and some I/O, for building oyour own add-on and rapid prototyping :) Jun 23 14:29:57 DocScrutinizer: looks difficult to circunvent Jun 23 14:30:31 I don't know about Nokia internals, but I can see this getting difficult, yes Jun 23 14:31:20 I learned the hard way from inside how hard it is to disclose hw related things ;-) Jun 23 14:31:20 qgil: how long after the closing date of N9 devkit ddp do you expect to send out notices and devices? (Though I guess devices are up to developer.nokia.com) Jun 23 14:32:03 even while this isn't exactly "disclosing" it would still need an NDA to not be that Jun 23 14:32:55 NDAs with non-contractors are very hard to issue usually Jun 23 14:32:57 DocScrutinizer: wondering whether you're more likely to get the schematics for N950 over N9 Jun 23 14:33:11 sorry? Jun 23 14:34:44 I'm wondering whether you're more likely to get schematics for the N950 rather than the N9 Jun 23 14:34:55 If you were thinking of asking for the latter. Jun 23 14:35:13 Admittedly the should be somewhat identical. Jun 23 14:35:39 that's been my point of asking for N9(50) schematics Jun 23 14:36:12 I guess N9 won't fly no matter what, until first N9 hit the public somehow Jun 23 14:36:25 Indeed. Jun 23 14:37:15 for N950 if I'd receive a developer device, I already got whole the info that's in schematic, though admittedly in a very hard to read formatting ;-) Jun 23 14:37:52 Heh :) Jun 23 14:38:07 I expect you to do the first disassembly ;) Jun 23 14:38:08 there's no secret in schematics that's not in device hw as well, and can get out from there as well Jun 23 14:38:28 DocScrutinizer: usb-host adaptation for n9(50) is on the top of my todo list if I get one Jun 23 14:38:47 shouldn't be that hard, did similar things for other OMAP3 hardware Jun 23 14:38:56 I'm interested in how to disassemble the N9 :P Jun 23 14:38:59 dm8tbr: I never had succeeded on H-E-N without the N900 schematicsa Jun 23 14:39:21 only way I can think of is prying the glass from the body Jun 23 14:39:40 MohammadAG: I think it actually is something like that Jun 23 14:40:00 MohammadAG: somebody mentioned that after I said that taking the back off the n950 is funky Jun 23 14:40:19 dm8tbr, that would ruin one of either parts Jun 23 14:40:19 yesterday at the meegofi picnic Jun 23 14:41:02 MohammadAG: I guess the service manual will surface at some point :) Jun 23 14:41:17 besides this thing is obviously not intended to be taken apart Jun 23 14:41:49 Anyway - it's polycarbonate - all you need is a soldering iron to remove the case. Jun 23 14:41:54 (not of n950) Jun 23 14:41:57 Ah, Soumya helped me finding a good example of fullscreen app http://library.developer.nokia.com/index.jsp?topic=/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API/html/qt-components/qt-components-example-flickr.html alterego Jun 23 14:41:57 o_O Jun 23 14:42:10 I guess Konttori is probably in a better position to do anything about hw docs Jun 23 14:42:14 DocScrutinizer: I talked to jukka and he promised to get me in touch with the right people here in Hervanta Jun 23 14:42:49 qgil: great :) /me bookmarks ;) Jun 23 14:42:52 dm8tbr: regarding what? Jun 23 14:43:03 DocScrutinizer: USB port on the n9 Jun 23 14:43:10 aah Jun 23 14:43:30 well, if it's similar to N900, it's mainly about hw details Jun 23 14:43:35 DocScrutinizer: btw on the n900 there is no 5V on the connector, right? (i know it's a micro-b and not supposed to but you never knwo) Jun 23 14:43:53 dm8tbr: sorry? Jun 23 14:44:07 dm8tbr: sure we got 5V@200mA VBUS Jun 23 14:44:11 ah, ok Jun 23 14:44:15 that's interesting :) Jun 23 14:44:32 one of the details I figured from schematics Jun 23 14:44:42 DocScrutinizer, you sure the N9 doesn't have the same connector on the N8? Jun 23 14:44:49 yes, such things you can mostly only do with schematics Jun 23 14:44:52 and from looking into hw for the actual component used ;-) Jun 23 14:44:55 To be fair - you could have just tried to enable it from the chip datasheets Jun 23 14:45:06 MohammadAG: I verified it's a micro-b not an micro-ab Jun 23 14:45:16 But details are hard. Jun 23 14:45:26 MohammadAG: no idea, just know N950 in that video has same B type as N900 Jun 23 14:45:42 SpeedEvil: musb is harder usually :) Jun 23 14:45:48 I know. Jun 23 14:45:59 dm8tbr: I've read a lot of versions of the TI datasheet on the subject. Jun 23 14:46:44 I wonder if there is a stable way of switching personality on OMAP3 MUSB _without_ reloading the musb_hdrc kernel module nowadays Jun 23 14:46:46 dm8tbr: SpeedEvil helped a lot on getting H-E-N on its feet Jun 23 14:47:20 'Can I have a replacement loan device please - my existing one has failed due to low quality construction. All the components fell off the PCB, and the chips appear to be burned by acid, exposing all their dies.' Jun 23 14:47:34 :D Jun 23 14:48:06 dm8tbr: lol, the problem isn't the kernel module, the problem is the musb core itself Jun 23 14:48:09 you'd probably also have burn marks from the OMAP spontaneously de-poping itself Jun 23 14:48:30 DocScrutinizer: it's a multilevel clusterf*ck as far as I know :) Jun 23 14:48:49 dm8tbr: I know. Jun 23 14:49:02 dm8tbr: I've considered in sillier moments a RAM upgrade for the n900. Jun 23 14:49:16 DocScrutinizer: the solution I have seen that works is unloading and reloading musb_hdrc and it works reliably on Archos hardware now in 3rd generation hardware that's omap3 based Jun 23 14:49:17 I can't find anyone that'll ship the required part though. Jun 23 14:49:41 This would also allow a speed bump too - which is nice. Jun 23 14:49:49 SpeedEvil: got the reballing gear? that stuff is awesome Jun 23 14:49:50 dm8tbr: we got some special issues at least on N900 Jun 23 14:50:13 yeah, seem to remember that on n900 there was some external part involved too Jun 23 14:50:16 dm8tbr: No. I think that reflowing the POP should be possible fairly ghetto. Jun 23 14:50:26 dm8tbr: which made Nokia claim hostmode is impossible on N900, until we implemented it nevertheless Jun 23 14:50:27 dm8tbr: Simply doing it in a nitrogen atmosphere. Jun 23 14:50:34 They diddn't. Jun 23 14:50:39 They said OTG wasn't possible. Jun 23 14:50:41 And it's not. Jun 23 14:50:57 let's not talk about OTG :D Jun 23 14:51:02 just host mode will be enough Jun 23 14:51:05 Indeed. Jun 23 14:51:18 SpeedEvil: not exactly Jun 23 14:52:01 I seem to recall somebody (paul, sarah?) asked explicitely about hostmode sw driven, and the answer was as usual Jun 23 14:52:27 and hell they were almost right Jun 23 14:52:37 Ok - fair enough. The initial comment was that OTG wasn't possible, and my memory is that all of the subsequent queries diddn't really address if hostmode was possible. Jun 23 14:52:41 if there wasn't TEST_HOSTMODE Jun 23 14:52:50 err FORCE_HOSTMODE Jun 23 14:54:01 dm8tbr: so you might have guessed it, we're already keen to see if H-E-N might work on N9-50 Jun 23 14:54:20 you're more than welcome to join the team Jun 23 14:54:30 :-) Jun 23 14:54:32 btw: is the collected n900 host mode stuff available as a wiki page or so? I just dont feel like reading 250 pages thread Jun 23 14:54:52 DocScrutinizer: I would have been _very_ disappointed if you guys wouldn't be Jun 23 14:55:04 alas the compression factor isn't really better the 1:10 Jun 23 14:55:14 so you still would end with 25 pages Jun 23 14:55:30 still I prefer high SNR :) Jun 23 14:55:39 sure Jun 23 14:56:04 but it's just too much work probably, so nobody did theat duty yet Jun 23 14:56:13 *nod* Jun 23 14:56:29 btw: does the n900CE support the HEN thing? Jun 23 14:57:06 I once started with an effort to keep a double linked list on tmo once, from useful post to useful post Jun 23 14:57:12 I gave up Jun 23 14:57:43 (n900ce) dunno, should if they get the right kernel patches Jun 23 14:58:14 for me wiki pages work better for those things, the number of people necessary for pages to flourish is surprisingly low Jun 23 14:58:17 it's basically *just* kernel patches Jun 23 14:58:34 we should talk to kimju then Jun 23 14:59:52 well, either we get hostmode running "ootb" as everything's absolutely standard, or we have a very hard time unless we get schematics Jun 23 15:00:05 for N9(50) Jun 23 15:01:03 yes, I'm hoping for the former Jun 23 15:01:32 passive USB host should be fairly easy, but totally inelegant Jun 23 15:01:33 and while SpeedEvil 's approach is tempting - modulo the acid to free the dies - I think it won't really fly Jun 23 15:01:59 the interesting bit will be the 5V I guess Jun 23 15:02:35 aoeu Jun 23 15:02:47 i Jun 23 15:03:11 hello Jun 23 15:03:20 If N9 has the same battery charging chip as N900 (bq27200), we should be able to enable 5V out Jun 23 15:03:23 hey TheBootroo Jun 23 15:03:34 after figuring out how to push bme aside for awhile Jun 23 15:03:43 sorry, bq24150, not 27200 Jun 23 15:04:45 TheBootroo, that launcher picture you linked to yesterday, I'm wondering, was that just a mock-up or a working example? Jun 23 15:05:07 On N900 there's a .128Ohm "phantom" resistance (not in the leaked schematics, possibly result of poor pcb design?) that makes battery charging about 30-50% slower than it would have to be Jun 23 15:05:12 some of you remember this morning i talk about a new UX i'm trying to dev for MeeGo CE for handset and tablets ? i had posted screenshots, now i have a working test case (not finished though) and overall a gitorious repos whre you can dl and compile onqt sdk for windows / linux / maemo / meego ... no need for a device or emulator it can run on standard computer dekstop, and give feedback Jun 23 15:05:20 ShadowJK: the drivers upstream suggest it's no bq24150 but something like bq24158 Jun 23 15:05:22 * ShadowJK wonders if that is fixed on N9 too Jun 23 15:05:25 Termana: the answer is in my msg above Jun 23 15:05:31 DocScrutinizer: No - it's not a functional approach unless you have a professional lab do that. And that's expensive. Jun 23 15:05:40 here is my gitorious for that https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng Jun 23 15:05:42 DocScrutinizer: Reverse engineering properly takes a _lot_ of effort Jun 23 15:06:20 I got a ping from the BME status bug - it's still closed on n950 Jun 23 15:06:43 on the other hand, on N900 the power management chip (Gaia, TWL5030?) also has +5V boost capability, but it's nonfunctional due to missing components Jun 23 15:07:53 yep, and that's probably ok, as otherwise we'd get problems with bq24150 charging from twl4030 chargepump ;-P Jun 23 15:08:04 DocScrutinizer: Don't be silly. Jun 23 15:08:12 _massive_ new market from the free energy crows. Jun 23 15:08:16 crowd Jun 23 15:08:18 :D Jun 23 15:08:33 n900, the device that charges itself! Jun 23 15:08:45 * SpeedEvil tries to work out the real sie of batery in his UPS. Jun 23 15:08:52 * ShadowJK remembers people charging their N810 from N810 musb port in hostmode ... Jun 23 15:09:04 dm8tbr: you see it's *not* that straigt forward quite usually Jun 23 15:09:40 Will the N9/N950 be using the Maemo5 telephony and networking stack or the MeeGo ofono stack? I havent seen that mentioned anywhere... Jun 23 15:09:45 DocScrutinizer: yeah, archos made it too easy, there it's just a sysfs entry that you toggle to get 5V :) Jun 23 15:09:58 jonwil, not ofono Jun 23 15:10:15 so it will be using some up-port of the N900 stack then I guess Jun 23 15:10:23 So if GAIA equivalent has boost capability, we'd need to shove bme aside, tell charger chip to disable charging, enable boost from gaia equivalent :P Jun 23 15:10:56 dm8tbr: I recently had a private query for help from an EE that did something "similar to N900" and seems they had exactly that problem with charging Jun 23 15:11:14 he nuked a component that way ;-P Jun 23 15:11:31 cue the magic smoke :) Jun 23 15:12:13 ShadowJK: that'd be the 'normal' way, yes Jun 23 15:12:48 dm8tbr, that means it's working! You've kicked the tyres Jun 23 15:12:49 Termana: do you like what you see ? Jun 23 15:12:49 :p Jun 23 15:13:46 TheBootroo, it looks ok from the screenshot. Not sure whether I would personally use it vs Harmattan's UX but maybe I would use it vs the MeeGo default UX - I would have to try it. Jun 23 15:14:13 Termana: so try it Jun 23 15:14:37 Termana: i posted the link to my gitorious Jun 23 15:14:43 dm8tbr: you might want to join hostmode channel, you got invited. We're few that left over there, but I guess it's still the most appropriate channel for engineer chitchat about hostmode Jun 23 15:14:46 and ui has changed Jun 23 15:14:48 a littel Jun 23 15:16:32 TheBootroo, it's 1 AM here and I don't have everything installed to go on a compiling spree right now. But, I'm curious, it seems like your just using in-built icons? So at the moment it has no actually functionality to allow other applications to be shown via .desktop files or whatever? Jun 23 15:16:43 actual* Jun 23 15:17:33 Termana: it's a prototype for now for it uses test cases Jun 23 15:17:36 but i will impleement freedesktop.org files Jun 23 15:17:53 it does look like this atm (not finished, see the TODO list on the gitorious) : http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/519347Capture8.png Jun 23 15:19:22 the way i put a kinda squircle around the icons allow to use standard icons and having the same frame around, just like anna for symbia, Jun 23 15:20:43 TheBootroo, what would be nice (and I'm not sure if it already does this or is listed in the to-do notes) is if you could click the category bar (say like the bar that says "media") and it would expand and contract the category Jun 23 15:22:36 Termana: already done Jun 23 15:22:50 miss only a visual indicator for open and closed bars Jun 23 15:23:16 i find this way to do much slicker than subfolders Jun 23 15:24:20 oh, and the whole ux can scale without a problem from nHD (360x640) to HD ready (1280x720) so it suits for handsets and tablets Jun 23 15:25:12 here is the thread on forum for comments and suggestions, since i have to go now, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 Jun 23 15:25:42 bye Jun 23 15:25:48 see you tomorow Jun 23 15:26:14 cya TheBootroo Jun 23 15:26:18 or maybe later tonight if i success to connect from home Jun 23 15:26:22 ciao Jun 23 15:27:54 whats the SE W810 CPU? can I run meego one it? Jun 23 15:28:01 on it* Jun 23 15:29:46 doubt it Jun 23 15:31:31 I searched but was unable to find its platform Jun 23 15:31:45 signed images, etc Jun 23 15:39:52 signed images?? Jun 23 15:42:15 the ROMs need to be signed Jun 23 15:47:18 what does it had to do with my W810? Jun 23 15:47:55 W810 requires signed images Jun 23 15:50:59 I will sign it Jun 23 15:50:59 lol Jun 23 15:51:44 I don't think you understand the concept of signed images Jun 23 15:52:38 It means that the hardware will not work without a image loaded on being signed by the manufacture. Jun 23 15:53:04 Termana: what I know about it is that I can't put my image in it Jun 23 15:53:10 You can sign it all you like and it will fail unless you have their private key Jun 23 15:53:13 is it a public key scheme? Jun 23 15:54:35 why not just copy it from current image? Jun 23 15:59:20 siavoshkc: its not possible to do so, otherwise I would run meego on every other device I have owned :P Jun 23 16:00:37 what is the barrier? Jun 23 16:04:38 good morning DawnFoster \o Jun 23 16:06:04 ummmm Jun 23 16:06:40 they shoul create a key by combining private key and image hash Jun 23 16:07:02 hey lcuk Jun 23 16:07:26 DawnFoster, a few people have been asking of late, where did you get office installed onto your netbook meego install? Jun 23 16:07:44 I recall you saying it was installed on yours Jun 23 16:07:53 I installed LibreOffice Jun 23 16:07:58 instructions are on the wiki Jun 23 16:08:08 you have to install java first Jun 23 16:08:21 works pretty well on the latest netbook images Jun 23 16:08:40 oh cool, so that is http://wiki.meego.com/LibreOffice Jun 23 16:09:27 DawnFoster, I wonder what it would require to get it properly on obs for a simpler install path Jun 23 16:10:14 I find the netbook a poor device for running those kinds off apps. Jun 23 16:10:21 those instructions look kinda similar to liqbase ones too, I suppose in general we need to find a simpler more accessible install mechanism for people Jun 23 16:10:31 The 600 high screen means you loose too much usable space Jun 23 16:10:33 slaine, I find only the alt-tab transitions to be most annoying Jun 23 16:10:46 actually *working* on the ideapad is difficult because of them Jun 23 16:10:52 I don't mean the UX, I mean office apps and toolbars galor Jun 23 16:10:54 I tried finding out how to reduce them Jun 23 16:11:11 simple apps only for me, gedit, console, folder view Jun 23 16:11:16 lcuk, you'd have to edit the mutter plugin Jun 23 16:11:28 snap Jun 23 16:11:31 but the folder view opens new instances of gedit (instead of tabs) Jun 23 16:11:41 so that switching between documents Jun 23 16:11:50 induces the awful pan/slide/pan effect Jun 23 16:11:53 I'm running F15 on another partition and finding I'm there more and more now Jun 23 16:12:06 that is the worst usability issue Jun 23 16:12:20 it hurts my head muchly whenever I alt-tab Jun 23 16:12:25 You can see a lot of the moblin/meego netbook ux influence in gnome-shell Jun 23 16:13:01 can I add an app bar to netbook? Jun 23 16:13:09 so I can task switch without alttab Jun 23 16:13:16 like ubuntu/windows even Jun 23 16:15:24 lcuk, libreoffice sucks big time on underpowered machines, even on my netbook it is hell. If Dataviz makes DtG for Meego i will surely buy it. Jun 23 16:15:49 i mean ARM version Jun 23 16:16:06 for x86 it may be marginally acceptable Jun 23 16:16:22 siavoshkc, I suggest you read up on topics such as Trusted Platform Modules, digital signatures, chains of trust Jun 23 16:19:47 great, I'm an idiot. 1 1/2 hour to transfer the meego image to my micro sd card and it does not boot because I had a typo and used bs=4069 instead 4096 Jun 23 16:20:36 and the transfer seems to be a lot faster with 4096, too Jun 23 16:25:01 Nils^: 4k is better :) Jun 23 16:25:29 gabor_: I used what is written in the meego wiki. Finally. Jun 23 16:25:45 okay, only idea Jun 23 16:28:18 Is anyone here using meego for office/buisiness ? Jun 23 16:30:53 Arkenoi: best wait till all the optimalizations have been completed ? they still have to drag along a lot of openoffice bloat :p Jun 23 16:32:25 Qantourisc, define office/business and a device format? :) Jun 23 16:32:56 andre__: getting imap/contacts/appointments to work together :p Jun 23 16:33:07 on desktop and handheld Jun 23 16:33:11 using a FOSS stack Jun 23 16:40:39 how hard would it be to get meego running on a device such lets say an htc phone thats built for android.. theoretically if I have the correct kernel sources should be that big an issue right? Jun 23 16:41:27 the kicker will be gles support, always Jun 23 16:42:51 hm interesting I see a lot of support for atom based devices but yeah forgot about intel Jun 23 16:46:41 k4r1m: If you have the graphic drivers Jun 23 16:47:05 should yeah Jun 23 16:48:57 Used n900 phones can be found "rather" cheap online. Jun 23 16:51:10 don't like the n900's screen Jun 23 16:51:29 plus it would be a fun project Jun 23 16:52:58 Hi. Can someone here help me with a QML module problem? Jun 23 16:54:25 so even if I have meego installed on an sd card I have to load the kernel each time before I boot? The normal guide does not mention the kernel at all http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/GettingStarted Jun 23 16:55:03 Nils^: if you do emmc install you can probably just flash the kernel Jun 23 16:55:19 Stskeeps: emmc did not work or was not verbose enough so I got impatient. Jun 23 16:55:32 Stskeeps: I installed it on a micro sd card and have uboot installed Jun 23 16:55:37 ah Jun 23 16:55:43 uboot should not require you loading kernel Jun 23 16:56:02 i abort the autoboot and tell uboot run mmc (or similar) Jun 23 16:56:13 it complains about not finding a kernel and thats it Jun 23 16:56:22 Nils^: don't abort autoboot Jun 23 16:56:32 when sd card is written, it will boot from sd card Jun 23 16:56:35 automatically Jun 23 16:56:58 ok, something is happening :) Jun 23 16:57:21 Meego 1.2 Community Edition splasscreen with a ripped Ubuntu logo Jun 23 16:57:29 :) Jun 23 16:58:11 shhh wazd spent ages copying that Jun 23 16:59:27 incredible. it finaly works. I have the desktop and a provider connection it seems Jun 23 17:00:58 yeah, I called my gf with meego :) Jun 23 17:10:49 Good morning. Jun 23 17:11:20 Not sure if this is the correct channel, but has anyone played with the Meego SDK for Windows? Jun 23 17:12:02 I just installed it and imported a Qt/QML project into it (which, by the way, runs perfectly well in both Ubuntu, meego 1.2 netbook and symbian). Jun 23 17:12:30 But build fails with QSystemDeviceInfo no such file or directory. Jun 23 17:12:50 I wonder if Meego SDK has Mobility included? Jun 23 17:24:12 Well, changing the target from Desktop to "Meego" seems to succeed the compilation. Jun 23 17:24:20 At least I got a RPM file in the end. Jun 23 17:24:21 :-P Jun 23 17:29:23 jeps, i had those problems with class 10 mmc card with n900. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1000405 Jun 23 17:31:09 i promised to file bug report, which i didnt. but if theres some developer to look the thread over. it should be easy to fix. Jun 23 17:36:55 lol, engadget now runs an article about the benefits of hardfloat ABI?? Jun 23 17:37:05 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/23/genesis-hard-float-arm-optimizations-can-hasten-linux-floating/ Jun 23 17:37:07 that one was funny, yes Jun 23 17:38:25 javispedro: hardfloat = no preenv though? :( Jun 23 17:39:44 oh hi destinal :) Jun 23 17:39:50 javispedro: heya :) Jun 23 17:40:04 destinal: my plan is to chroot everything, then see if Jun 23 17:40:16 a) I can either get softfloat sgx libs that might work with the same kernel module Jun 23 17:40:32 b) or create softfloat -> hardfloat wrappers Jun 23 17:41:02 javispedro: i kind of wonder if a gles/egl wrapper that shares data over shm would be possible Jun 23 17:41:16 like, into a small chroot Jun 23 17:41:24 where it's softfp Jun 23 17:42:02 javispedro: nice, I'd like to run a meego phone, but there are some binaries I'd like to take with me from webos :) Jun 23 17:42:31 course still need a device with a keyboard.. maybe port meego to pre3? hmmm.. Jun 23 17:42:33 Stskeeps: as long as we have X11 or something else that does I prefer to just wrap the calls Jun 23 17:42:46 s/that does/like that Jun 23 17:42:58 mm Jun 23 17:45:09 it needs a bit of design though )=) Jun 23 17:48:26 help, I can't exit meego :( Even through a terminal I can't because I don't know the root password for my own device Jun 23 17:48:36 'meego' Jun 23 17:48:48 i tried that... maybe a typo Jun 23 17:49:10 ah, yes. thanks. Jun 23 17:49:14 and is there a gui way? Jun 23 17:49:46 try hiting a hardware power button Jun 23 17:49:49 if your hardware has one Jun 23 18:00:41 Stskeeps: so by "wrapping" I mean that the real hardfp libs will also be inside the chroot, with some rpath or linker hackery to allow both my wrapper .so get to its symbols and the driver .sos to link with their own hardfp deps (x11, ...). when gl* calls are made, autogenerated asm stub does conversion and calls hardfp symbol. Jun 23 18:01:00 javispedro: funny fact, it's possible to change call convention within .c files Jun 23 18:01:28 very useful Jun 23 18:01:49 last time I had to make an ABI wrapper it was from one platform that assumes 4-byte stack alignment to a platform that assumes 8-byte stack alignment Jun 23 18:01:51 it was not fun =) Jun 23 18:02:01 thanks Stskeeps Jun 23 18:02:11 for? Jun 23 18:02:15 javispedro: my power button just locks the key and screen black. Jun 23 18:02:17 because I had to end up limiting the number of arguments for variadic functions Jun 23 18:02:22 for: [MeeGo-dev] SF2011 BoF notes: Reinvigorating MeeGo Netbook Jun 23 18:02:26 ah Jun 23 18:02:30 thank hilary, she took the notes Jun 23 18:02:38 i just followed up on not having seen them since Jun 23 18:02:38 :P Jun 23 18:02:44 Nils^: that's weird, here on netbook power button turns off Jun 23 18:02:52 javispedro: its the n900 Jun 23 18:03:05 ah, ok =) Jun 23 18:03:06 which has an extra hardware switch for the lock keys function. Jun 23 18:03:11 additionaly, I mean Jun 23 18:03:14 Stskeeps, ebb and flow Jun 23 18:04:01 alterego gave a great run down of your recent work to the devs at weekend by the way :) after a bit of prompting he was quite vocal about you Jun 23 18:04:20 what'd i do now? Jun 23 18:04:21 :P Jun 23 18:04:40 he was talking about the wayland stuff :) Jun 23 18:04:44 ah, good Jun 23 18:07:00 hey guys Jun 23 18:07:01 good afternoon :) Jun 23 18:08:49 hi there Venemo Jun 23 18:10:03 lcuk: thanks :) Jun 23 18:11:28 hey javispedro Jun 23 18:20:53 any new news about Harmattan today? Jun 23 18:22:16 no, but we have a shiny n900 community edition summer release out Jun 23 18:29:52 Stskeeps, u around? Jun 23 18:30:10 Ulf_: yes Jun 23 18:31:07 I just wanted to let you know that we'll have to publish another set of Trunk:Testing images without ARM today. I had to disable ARM because we need OBS resources and qemu died again on m4, gzip, etc Jun 23 18:31:22 Ulf_: that's fine - i have a glibc patch waiting, it's OK to wait for weekend to accept it Jun 23 18:32:00 i'm just glad i finally found the fix for the issue Jun 23 18:33:05 Stskeeps, There's also a qemu 0.14? update pending that should make things better Jun 23 18:33:11 Ulf_: alright Jun 23 18:34:44 Ulf_: btw, read my message to Anas - the links in the patch were all wrong... Jun 23 18:35:10 auke, It hasn't been accepted yet Jun 23 18:35:24 auke, I guess, I didn't interpret your email right Jun 23 18:36:01 all the post scriptlets need a sed s/applications/xsessions/ Jun 23 18:36:19 auke, OK Jun 23 18:37:46 upside of armv8el being disabled: i can play with my qt5 stuff tomorrow \o/ Jun 23 18:38:08 :) Jun 23 18:38:29 Stskeeps, I heard you made good progress on that Jun 23 18:40:26 yeah, it works, but it was a battle beyond belief to find the correct branch for qtquick2 Jun 23 18:40:30 but now packing time.. Jun 23 18:44:49 Stskeeps, have a good night! Jun 23 18:51:26 armv8? Jun 23 18:52:38 maligor: armv7, hardfp Jun 23 18:52:50 (there's a fairly good reason) Jun 23 18:53:50 Stskeeps, sounds nice! what's new in the summer release? Jun 23 18:53:58 I guess one has to hope arm skips armv8 then? :P Jun 23 18:56:02 Stskeeps, is there actually cores out there that are armv7 without neon and with vfp? Jun 23 18:56:20 maligor: yes Jun 23 18:56:24 maligor: tegra2 and marvell's Jun 23 18:56:51 I guess the options is the curse of arm Jun 23 18:56:55 yeah Jun 23 18:57:05 it does seem like people are finally agreeing on a baseline Jun 23 18:57:08 for LSB ARM Jun 23 18:58:34 yeah, vfp for baseline is certainly better than software fp Jun 23 18:58:47 Stskeeps, does the summer release support PIN codes yet? Jun 23 18:59:07 Venemo: sure Jun 23 18:59:33 maligor: vfpv3-d16, armv7-a, mfloat-abi=hard, yeah Jun 23 18:59:49 I heard really great opionions (especially from MohammadAG) about your graphics performance Jun 23 19:00:32 Venemo: should try it Jun 23 19:00:36 I didn't actually know marvell had armv7 cores tho Jun 23 19:00:53 maligor: other annoying things is not everyone does thumb2 correctly, too Jun 23 19:00:53 :P Jun 23 19:00:54 Stskeeps, I will try it as soon as I can Jun 23 19:01:50 Stskeeps, well, I had one device that really confused the heck out of me because it claimed to do thumb but got illegal instructions ;P Jun 23 19:02:00 maligor: like the n900.. Jun 23 19:02:00 :P Jun 23 19:02:58 got to love thumb tho, it's like using mips Jun 23 19:03:51 and a shame mips seems to have gone underground Jun 23 19:05:06 I'm sure anyone working on releases would've loved to have mips too, hehe ;P Jun 23 19:06:29 but their newer cores are quite fancy except their dsp extension is severely lacking Jun 23 19:08:15 Stskeeps, until then, can you tell me whether it supports the N900 hardware fully yet? I'm specifically insterested in whether the FMTX or the HSDPA modem works yet. Jun 23 19:14:00 Venemo: hsdpa works fine, fmtx no idea Jun 23 19:14:50 FM Radio TX? Jun 23 19:15:18 (I didn't even know the n900 had fm radio tx) Jun 23 19:16:09 What abut hdspa working on N9/N950? ;P Jun 23 19:17:00 maligor, N900 has an FM transmitter, yes. (disabled in some countries, but the hw is still there) Jun 23 19:17:51 I just hope the idiot nokia ceo gets evicted and they make a phone with actual meego ;P Jun 23 19:19:27 I imagine the N900 problem is that it was never a real target for any commercial support for meego Jun 23 19:19:39 just a convenient test subject at times Jun 23 19:19:55 maligor, yeah, something like that I think Jun 23 19:20:07 doesn't mean we don't have a kick-ass hardware adaptation still, considering our resources Jun 23 19:21:01 well, there's always people willing to make their devices work properly Jun 23 19:21:51 albeit sometimes the binary disassembly would simply take too long (years) Jun 23 19:21:52 Stskeeps, yeah, you guys are making real progress :) Jun 23 19:23:03 I am interested in the sugar-desktop. How can I set the repositories on an install to Acer Aspire One N450 of meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img for fedora 15? Jun 23 19:24:28 satellit_, err.. what? Jun 23 19:24:39 satellit_, you should install fedora 15 if you want fedora 15 Jun 23 19:24:53 mixing packages is a recipe for a huge mess Jun 23 19:26:33 I just worked with a party on IRC who installed sugar on a Meego wetab. I would like to try it here Jun 23 19:28:01 can't say I know, afaik fedora uses yum and meego zypper Jun 23 19:28:16 I doubt their repositories are compatible Jun 23 19:28:17 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_Creation_Kit#Meego%20+%20Sugar are my notes Jun 23 19:29:24 satellit_: you could ask the sugar people to build it for meego :) Jun 23 19:30:13 ok I thought if it could be done on wetab it could be done here both use same processor..... Jun 23 19:30:26 sure Jun 23 19:30:27 Stskeeps, I think satellit_ is one of "the sugar people" Jun 23 19:30:45 I am a tester for them (volunteer) Jun 23 19:32:13 if it was me, I would get the F15 source-rpm, try to patch that to make a meego rpm and install that Jun 23 19:32:33 it certainly looks like something that would work for the meego netbook and maybe tablet target Jun 23 19:32:49 ok (may be above my skill level ...) Jun 23 19:33:36 there is a small chance that the f15 rpm will work, but if it doesn't, you really have no idea why Jun 23 19:34:05 whether its the packaging, or the sugar stuff, or the hardware, or something else Jun 23 19:34:35 my install is on an external usb HD so no loss if it does not work.... Jun 23 19:34:46 thanks Jun 23 19:35:07 get the rpm file from f15 and try to install with zypper from that file, not from repo Jun 23 19:35:28 taht will give you some indication Jun 23 19:35:35 meego works very nicely on ACER ASPIRE ONE N450 by the way : ) Jun 23 19:39:34 satellit_ :) Jun 23 19:51:05 satellit_, if you have trouble with how to build the rpm, I can help Jun 23 19:55:57 Venemo: thanks...I really am not able to do it....any help would be appreciated : ) Jun 23 19:56:15 satellit_, do you have a working F15? Jun 23 19:56:30 yes Gnome3-shell updated Jun 23 19:57:05 satellit_, you can use 'yumdownloader --source packagename' to download the source rpm of the package you want to make work Jun 23 19:57:12 I have been using it as build system for Remixes Jun 23 19:57:20 ok Jun 23 19:57:25 satellit_, this will give you a .src.rpm file Jun 23 19:58:04 ugg, hardfp.. damn you ti. damn you Jun 23 19:58:10 satellit_, you will need the rpm dev tools and the build dependencies of this package on your MeeGo installation Jun 23 19:58:44 satellit_, copy the .src.rpm file to your MeeGo device and for the first try, use 'rpmbuild --rebuild yourpackage.src.rpm' Jun 23 19:58:49 jedix, what's wrong? Jun 23 19:59:56 satellit_, it will complain if any build dependency is missing Jun 23 20:00:02 ok Jun 23 20:00:07 Venemo: I need the armv7hl rpm for the opengl es blob Jun 23 20:00:24 jedix, if you use a hardfp build, then yes Jun 23 20:01:08 Venemo: I thought 1.2 dropped softfp support? Jun 23 20:01:15 so I need to get the hardfp.. Jun 23 20:01:17 jedix: please send some kind of official request, it can't be that hard to build with a certain rootfs and a certain toolchain Jun 23 20:02:45 jedix: hardfp's been my lesson in that occasionally, you can get things working too well, too fast Jun 23 20:03:11 does Qt use OpenGL ES with -graphicssystem opengl ? Jun 23 20:03:47 yes afaik Jun 23 20:03:57 hm Jun 23 20:04:11 satellit_, any luck? :) Jun 23 20:04:43 Stskeeps: I'm confused Jun 23 20:04:52 what happens with it? Jun 23 20:06:26 jedix: didn't understand your question, my statement was just that we were way faster than the distros that people would normally build binaries for, such as linaro baseline, in switching to hardfp float-abi Jun 23 20:06:39 jedix: and this hurts us now as noone has made hardfp builds :) Jun 23 20:07:02 Venemo: I cannot try it at this time.....have to go out for weekend. (Family) thanks for the guidance . : ) will checkin monday thanks again Jun 23 20:07:10 jedix: for closed bits Jun 23 20:07:21 the only way this can be solved is by the vendors actually building the bit Jun 23 20:07:22 s Jun 23 20:07:43 Stskeeps: yeah.. unless you have access ot the vendor bits and have to build that bit Jun 23 20:07:48 satellit_, all right. if I'm here at the time, feel free to ping me and I'll try to help. Jun 23 20:08:04 jedix: exactly.. i mean, if you had access to build that bit, it's bloody easy Jun 23 20:08:19 Stskeeps: if I knew how Jun 23 20:08:33 thanks.... Jun 23 20:09:38 jedix: if you have the SGX SDK/DDK sources, it should be fairly trivial if you've tried a softfp build Jun 23 20:10:38 That's something I forgot to ask, do we have opencl support in N9(50) ;) Jun 23 20:10:45 no Jun 23 20:11:09 oh well Jun 23 20:11:49 I wonder if I can write an app that uses the facial recognition to superimpose a meegon Jun 23 20:12:11 Stskeeps: I have never build the ddk.. switching from softfp to hardfp was easy but building isn't going so well :/ Jun 23 20:13:04 kaitlin_: ping Jun 23 20:13:23 kaitlin_: contacts upgrades wrt locale seem to have broken things... it's putting all my contacts in "#" bucket :( Jun 23 20:22:26 w00t: I saw that =( It was happening before the change to the locale API. Jun 23 20:22:44 kaitlin_: getExemplarForString is returning # Jun 23 20:22:54 w00t: I wanted to fix it before I made the change, but someone was having trouble with the new locale APIs, so I figured I'd switch over to see if I could help them out. Jun 23 20:22:55 the loop is completing, without finding any matching character Jun 23 20:23:51 Ah, I kind of suspected that. It only seems to happen with names that start with Z, right? Jun 23 20:24:04 The odd thing is, when I switched to Japanese, I didn't see the issue. Jun 23 20:24:09 nope, with my current manager it seems to be happening to all of them Jun 23 20:24:16 (yeah, go figure) Jun 23 20:24:24 I'm not sure how that is possible Jun 23 20:24:30 yo w00t Jun 23 20:24:58 lcuk: o/ Jun 23 20:26:07 * lcuk twiddles thumbs waiting Jun 23 20:27:14 hmm? Jun 23 20:28:28 when I switch to Japanese, I won't see any spelling mistakes or grammatical errors Jun 23 20:30:10 btw, kaitlin_, creating a meego::Locale each time exemplarcharacters is called for is not cheap Jun 23 20:30:48 w00t: I should create it once and then refer to it to each instance afterward. The localeutils code needs a fair bit of cleanup. Jun 23 20:30:49 (creation and destruction of a lot of stuff, including a massive ICU instance each time) Jun 23 20:31:17 w00t: *nod* Agreed. I should have done that on the original check in =( Jun 23 20:31:49 hi everyone -- anyone from washington DC or close in that area - would like to make a meeGo group and find people to develop with Jun 23 20:34:31 ~seen texrat Jun 23 20:34:31 w00t: There's a fair number of bugs related to sorting that I hope to work on in the next day or so. Jun 23 20:34:39 texrat <41f494de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.244.148.222> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 7d 3m 2s ago, saying: 'lcuk maybe you can scale the cells down?'. Jun 23 20:34:55 kaitlin_: ok, sounds good Jun 23 20:35:07 it's sort of killed my enthusiasm for working on things right now Jun 23 20:37:54 w00t: What has killed your enthusiasm? All the new bugs cropping up in contacts? ;) I've seen a number of regressions lately due to EDS that I've been fighting. Jun 23 20:38:23 I don't have to worry about those, since I'm working on my own manager :) Jun 23 20:38:34 but the sorting bugs and stuff mean I can't easily get to work on that right now Jun 23 20:38:48 I have a low tolerance for pain after a day's work ;) Jun 23 20:41:54 Ah, I see. That's completely fair. My hope it to get a number of the bugs from bugs.meego.com knocked out the way today. Then I can focus on fixing sorting. It's such a tiny portion of my attention right now, and I know that's going to be bite me very soon. =) Jun 23 20:43:52 * lcuk slides over beers to w00t Jun 23 20:43:53 :) Jun 23 20:44:19 http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/ <- this is absolutely fantastic Jun 23 20:44:37 hm, there is now a tablet skin for the Qt Simulator... Jun 23 20:44:39 who's responsible for that? I want to shake his hand personaly Jun 23 20:44:44 MeeGo tablet skin. Jun 23 20:46:23 and I want to steal this font like... now Jun 23 20:47:07 wazd: Isn't it Nokia Pure? There's a package in Extras for it for Maemo, and you can get a TTF Jun 23 20:47:33 Jaffa: I've tried that existing font and it looks different Jun 23 20:47:54 maybe I was trying some different iteration, can you send me a link please? Jun 23 20:48:30 wazd: http://maemo.org/packages/view/ttf-nokiapure/ Jun 23 20:49:04 Jaffa, is that the one which was gpl'ed Jun 23 20:49:24 (early revision to the maemo repositories was under gpl) Jun 23 20:49:36 the license is still not pure ;) Jun 23 20:50:03 i made all my fonts prettier by installing msttcore-fonts-2.0-3.noarch.rpm Jun 23 20:50:19 lcuk: No idea Jun 23 20:50:43 anybody having an idea who could be the default assignee for qt bugs in bugs.meego.com nowadays? or where to ask? release engineering? Jun 23 20:50:46 * andre__ wants to fix https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17694 Jun 23 20:50:48 Bug 17694 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, NEW, Outdated default assignee for Qt Jun 23 20:50:57 andre__, thiago! Jun 23 20:51:23 lcuk: ay! now if thiago agrees... :) Jun 23 20:51:25 Jaffa, nokia pure license is "written request" for use Jun 23 20:51:55 I keep intending to pen my own letter asking Jun 23 20:52:10 but it needs qt printing support on a device I use it on Jun 23 20:53:22 * alterego sighs Jun 23 20:53:35 RST38h: oh, hey there o/ :) Jun 23 20:53:59 RST38h: wrong channel, but anyway :) Jun 23 20:54:17 what is the right channel? Jun 23 20:54:35 the one on your right, I guess Jun 23 20:54:57 mine is #meego-handset Jun 23 21:00:04 hello Jun 23 21:05:25 i updated my proto of MobileUX-NG : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23148#post23148 Jun 23 21:05:46 say what you think about it on the forum Jun 23 21:05:52 kthx Jun 23 21:07:19 Jaffa: http://s015.radikal.ru/i333/1106/b5/824757191ad8.png Jun 23 21:07:28 Jaffa: see the difference? :) Jun 23 21:11:58 any feedback about my UX ? Jun 23 21:17:28 what is the extra button on the W1 for? Jun 23 21:17:50 is that for taking pictures? Jun 23 21:20:44 achipa: ping Jun 23 21:20:47 lcuk: Apparently Jun 23 21:21:19 Jaffa, well the license is quite clear Jun 23 21:21:27 I had to read it a number of times for clarity Jun 23 21:21:55 that is why you do not see any Nokia fonts on recent x86 liqbase builds. I need official permission to use them Jun 23 21:26:52 thebootroo_: I can check it if you'll show it to me :) Jun 23 21:27:05 pretty good meetup in Birmingham :) Jun 23 21:27:27 julienf: Cool Jun 23 21:27:38 Jaffa: indeed :) Jun 23 21:27:45 julienf: Good that your train's moving too. You can never be too certain with Virgin! ;-) Jun 23 21:29:42 wazd: just look in the forum subject for the adress of the gitorious repos, dl it and compile on your pc to toy a little with it : the topic is here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23148 Jun 23 21:29:58 my gitorious is there https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng Jun 23 21:33:13 wazd: so ? Jun 23 21:33:50 atm there is only the apps menu, but widgets panels and timeline will comme soon Jun 23 21:36:43 sry for deco / reco i'm on gprs connexion Jun 23 21:36:52 gotta love Virgin train network sysadmin... Jun 23 21:37:10 thebootroo_: am on train wifi leeching away :D Jun 23 21:37:27 wifi still better than GPRS Jun 23 21:42:30 julienf: Drops every 15 mins? Jun 23 21:42:52 yes, because of the hack. Times out every 15mins :) Jun 23 21:44:29 julienf: that's fun Jun 23 21:44:36 DawnFoster: it is :) Jun 23 21:44:56 julienf: keeps you on your toes Jun 23 21:45:12 DawnFoster: yeah well.. I know better things to keep me on my toes :) Jun 23 21:46:36 yeah put the beer on the top shelf Jun 23 21:47:47 haha :D Jun 23 21:47:48 I don't really drink beer.. Jun 23 21:49:06 its good for you Jun 23 21:49:18 beer is bleh Jun 23 21:49:32 i don't like it too Jun 23 21:50:41 wazd: do you sucess in testing my stuff ? Jun 23 21:52:56 julienf: you naughty hacker you :P Jun 23 21:53:25 alterego: me? :D Jun 23 21:55:31 X-Fade: (For the IRC log) - there seems to be a case sensitivity issue with COBS. I've got home:jaffa and home:Jaffa Jun 23 22:06:13 good to see you again julienf have a safe trip home, the UK train system fast, cheap and efficient huh :P Jun 23 22:06:27 did someone tested my proposal for MeeGo Unified Mobile UX ? http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 Jun 23 22:06:31 thanks odin_ let's catch up soon :) Jun 23 22:14:35 what time is it in your country ? Jun 23 22:14:52 here (in france) its 00:13 AM Jun 23 22:15:17 23:13 in the UK :) Jun 23 22:15:22 where are you in france? Jun 23 22:15:31 lyon Jun 23 22:15:43 3:12 PM Oregon Jun 23 22:18:10 in my country it is 15:15, 16:15, 17:15, 18:15, 19:15 and 19:45 Jun 23 22:18:45 berndhs: in your city though Jun 23 22:18:56 18:16 Jun 23 22:19:36 ok Jun 23 22:19:41 but it keeps changing every minute Jun 23 22:21:13 in qtcreator 2.2.1 in tools->options...->Maemo->Maemo device configurations->Add allows you to add a configuration for "meego" and "Test" w/ passwordless ssh login worls. But there's no way to launch app to remote meego device. Any clues or is this just missing/partial functionality? Jun 23 22:22:04 17:20 Jun 23 22:22:16 balgarath: for you too? Annoying isn't it? Jun 23 22:22:16 berndhs: for you too? Annoying isn't it? Jun 23 22:22:30 yeah, confusing even Jun 23 22:24:02 Time keeps on slippin slippin slippin Jun 23 22:24:08 Into the future... Jun 23 22:26:13 in my $domain it is Thu Jun 23 22:23:24 UTC 2011 Jun 23 22:26:30 " svn checkout http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube " --> compile w/ qtcreator qmltube.pro then run qmltube-build-desktop/qmltube and tell me why video playing hickups at start, but if you force it a little past start on the scrollbar it works... Jun 23 22:27:31 qt mobility issue (?)... also, why does it go into crazy flickering mode on tablet Jun 23 22:27:40 during video playback Jun 23 22:30:18 otherwise it works pretty well. now to figure out whether i can mix qt components in there or just steal the video player layout and transparent scrollbar thingie from meego-app-video Jun 23 22:33:46 (note, unlike the stock qmltube 0.9.8, the version above is ifdef'd for generic linux (and meego) vs maemo) Jun 23 22:33:54 i guess some would call that a port Jun 23 22:44:09 if you select a youtube video and click the play button, you get a window like http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qmltube-playing-video.png ... you have to force playback by clicking ahead of 0'00 in scrollbar to make the video playback start. otherwise it always starts then stalls.... Jun 23 22:58:35 does the version of qtcreator packaged in meego not support the design mode for qml? Jun 23 22:59:31 I've got qtcreator running inside a meego chroot, and while I can write qml manually and have it run (including using meego widgets) the design mode remains greyed out Jun 23 22:59:35 which meego are you talking about ? Jun 23 22:59:43 1.2 netbook edition Jun 23 22:59:59 what is qtcreator version ? Jun 23 23:00:07 it has qtcreator 2.1, which normally would appear to ship with qml design support Jun 23 23:01:04 yes it would Jun 23 23:01:20 probablyy the plugin is disabled Jun 23 23:01:31 I checked through the plugins list Jun 23 23:01:38 ok Jun 23 23:01:41 but couldn't see anything that seemed relevant, other than designer which was already enabled Jun 23 23:01:44 so no idea Jun 23 23:01:52 besides which everything was enabled other than the "Hello World" plugin Jun 23 23:02:13 I also installed the qtdesigner package, but that appears to just be for traditional QT ui stuff Jun 23 23:02:30 I guess I'll just try installing one of the qtcreator bundles from the nokia site Jun 23 23:02:54 but imho, qml is not needed : look what i did using plain qt and css : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 Jun 23 23:04:14 looks nice, but I just want to be able to make use of the meego ux components, rather than do much styling of stuff myself Jun 23 23:06:21 i like doing all by myself, result fits more my idea Jun 23 23:09:08 hur, the license agreement for the qtcreator installer bundle from nokia displays in some symbol based font: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/license.png Jun 23 23:09:32 perhaps I'm agreeing to only talk in moonspeak from now on Jun 23 23:13:16 you're jsut agreeing to pay the shipping from Mars Jun 23 23:13:23 hmm, I guess it was left out for a reason, it just segfaults when I open the designer in 2.2 :/ Jun 23 23:13:59 Licence agreements from nokia are so fun! Jun 23 23:14:06 * SpeedEvil has a bug or three on that. Jun 23 23:36:40 Is anyone running Meego on Recent AMD hardware? Jun 23 23:49:36 or, the next, and probably slightly crazier question: Is it possible to build the Meego UIs themselves on another distribution like Gentoo? Jun 23 23:49:42 Has anyone done anything like this? Jun 23 23:51:36 mbuschman: go get the source code and have at it Jun 23 23:52:10 TSCHAKeee: Right. Is there any more organized means of downloading the source code other than checking out random bits from gitorious? Jun 23 23:52:30 Is there any doc in existence on how to build this thing? Jun 23 23:52:59 it's all on the wiki, MeeGo is built by an Open Build system server, which builds the packages Jun 23 23:53:06 and meego-image-creator creates the OS images. Jun 23 23:53:28 you're going to have to roll your own stuff Jun 23 23:53:39 which...based on the questions you're asking.... Jun 23 23:53:43 you might not be up to the task. Jun 23 23:54:48 TSCHAKeee: I've seen the build server stuff, and all of that... and that's great, clearly there's a system in place... Jun 23 23:55:05 the concept of MeeGo was as such for an OEM, or an interested person to be able to assemble the system they needed without having to build the source. Jun 23 23:55:33 s/was/is/ Jun 23 23:55:34 TSCHAKeee meant: the concept of MeeGo is as such for an OEM, or an interested person to be able to assemble the system they needed without having to build the source. Jun 23 23:55:37 mbuschman: I just tried to start Meego from working usb external Hd with hp amd turion x64x2 and it will not boot. also the USB installer from the a.s .img file will not start Jun 23 23:56:17 satellit_: you're missing SSSE3 most likely. Jun 23 23:56:30 that is what it said Jun 23 23:56:33 TSCHAKeee: I'm sure if I wanted RPMs, I could get some built. As you said, I'll need to roll my own. Jun 23 23:57:04 satellit_: My CPU has the required extensions, and it does boot the image, but ... I'm running radeon graphics, so X refuses to start... Jun 23 23:57:07 i would suggest studying the existing images and working backwards. Jun 23 23:57:17 TSCHAKeee: Ouch. I was afraid you were going to say that. Jun 23 23:57:44 and yes, meego's x86 images are built with Intel GMA chips in mind. Jun 23 23:57:48 Right. Jun 24 00:08:12 So, what kind of boot times are possible with Meego as-is? Jun 24 00:09:27 (my rationale for using gentoo is boot speed - right now, I'm at about 5.5 sec from poweron to UI) Jun 24 01:03:07 so the openssl situation on 1.2 is not good Jun 24 01:03:43 you can't install openssl-certs, as it depends on a script in openssl-perl, but that won't install correctly because of a missing perl package Jun 24 01:04:15 c_rehash isn't supplied by the openssl package Jun 24 01:04:30 but openssl-certs assumes it is Jun 24 01:06:05 1Problem: nothing provides perl(WWW::Curl::Easy) needed by openssl-perl-1.0.0c-2.4.i586 Jun 24 01:06:30 /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.sXFbXm: line 2: c_rehash: command not found Jun 24 01:06:31 warning: %post(openssl-certs-0.9.8h-27.12.noarch) scriptlet failed, exit status 127 Jun 24 01:09:44 http://build.meego.com/package/view_file?file=openssl-certs.spec&package=openssl-certs&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss&srcmd5=e7a27797d3ab6772c6064f3a503efd90 Jun 24 01:09:56 line 37 Jun 24 01:16:54 BlueAidan: sound like a bug, I would file it Jun 24 01:22:45 hi all! Jun 24 01:23:56 has anybody had any luck adding repositories to meego or using an alternate package manager? Jun 24 01:25:05 adding repositories is easy with "zypper ar" Jun 24 01:28:15 but i cannot find and .repo links to use Jun 24 01:28:40 itdoes that statement make sense? Jun 24 01:28:48 not really Jun 24 01:29:04 you know a repo that you want to add ? Jun 24 01:29:25 sure i want to get the full open suse repo Jun 24 01:29:47 adding repos from other distros isn't going to work very well Jun 24 01:30:02 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem Jun 24 01:30:05 that's not the package manager, that's the content of the other repos Jun 24 01:47:45 hi, it worked... i think well were are refreshing! hopefully i can now get a fricken system monitor Jun 24 01:48:49 its so annoying not being able to see whom my processor hog then kill the app Jun 24 01:49:44 well, does anybody know if twitter is supposed to be supported natively by meego? Jun 24 02:00:56 hey ive got an issue, the PackageKit will not close! Jun 24 02:03:39 my dogs are barking too much tonight Jun 24 02:04:28 so, i hate to be blunt here but there is no system monitor bundled with this os correct? Jun 24 02:04:43 'system monitor' ? Jun 24 02:04:53 you know... like a task manager Jun 24 02:04:56 there is one, i forget what its called Jun 24 02:05:03 top? Jun 24 02:05:05 :) Jun 24 02:05:23 Which UX are you meaning? Jun 24 02:05:46 UX? Jun 24 02:06:06 netbook tablet handset ... Jun 24 02:06:13 netbook, Jun 24 02:06:19 UX is like a UI only more so Jun 24 02:06:32 i typed top into the terminal Jun 24 02:06:51 now does it have a pretty gui component? Jun 24 02:08:53 cause i am having one hell of a time getting the package manager to quit! Jun 24 02:10:57 isn't it called gnome-system-monitor or something like that ? Jun 24 02:43:18 so, is this thing built to integrate with twitter? Jun 24 02:45:07 that is, does meego netbook integrate with twitter? Jun 24 02:45:36 i also heard that it could run android apps? is that true? Jun 24 02:46:56 guess not. Jun 24 02:47:35 http://www.myriadgroup.com/Device-Manufacturers/Android-solutions/Alien-Dalvik.aspx Jun 24 02:51:11 lo Jun 24 02:52:32 roofboard: -meego- is not, Harmattan (as found on the N9) is Jun 24 02:52:53 and there is no word on whether or not the N9 can run Android apps Jun 24 02:53:33 There has been quite a bit of speculation though: http://mynokiablog.com/2011/06/22/android-apps-for-meego-nokia-n9-with-myriads-alien-dalvik/ Jun 24 02:54:07 no reason it couldn't Jun 24 02:54:15 heck, they could put it up in Nokia's store **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 02:59:57 2011