**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 02:59:57 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 03:19:19 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 03:20:09 2011 Jun 24 04:09:29 morning Jun 24 04:16:23 yes just barely 14 mins old Jun 24 04:19:42 yes, barely out the gate Jun 24 05:55:07 who tripped over the power cord? Jun 24 05:55:18 wasn't me Jun 24 05:57:22 it's those awful power adapter plugs! Jun 24 05:58:21 heh. Jun 24 06:08:17 ~botsnack Jun 24 06:08:19 DocScrutinizer: :) Jun 24 06:19:12 morning Jun 24 06:19:50 morn Jun 24 06:20:02 morning Jun 24 06:20:25 i didn't sleep last night to make my project go forward Jun 24 06:20:44 look there if you didn't yet : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 Jun 24 06:20:49 I had a nice chat with infobot ;-) Jun 24 06:21:30 and polished maemi wiki about N950 a bit Jun 24 06:21:46 DocScrutinizer: good Jun 24 06:22:01 N950 is THE best phone arounf tehre Jun 24 06:22:13 alas.... *sigh* Jun 24 06:22:34 wcdma pentaband Jun 24 06:22:46 could really fly even in USA Jun 24 06:22:49 goof Jun 24 06:22:55 *good Jun 24 06:23:33 otoh US nerds *need* portrait, so N9 is clearly for USA Jun 24 06:23:57 DocScrutinizer: N950 does both potrait and Jun 24 06:23:58 If anyone could dump related links on http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_N950_Hardware_Misc would be welcome Jun 24 06:24:01 landscape Jun 24 06:24:05 (heard they always only have one hand free, don't like to elaborate on that now) Jun 24 06:24:22 lol Jun 24 06:24:32 ahh the latest pinetrail 1.2 build is looking nice on the exopc Jun 24 06:24:52 ohter hand to keep a coke, a hamburger or touch some babe ass** Jun 24 06:25:03 i assume Jun 24 06:25:24 * Jay_BEE chuckles Jun 24 06:26:24 I dunno, just quoting other US users who seem to have a special notion about their co-citizens Jun 24 06:26:37 go there and look the last -1 post : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 Jun 24 06:42:31 Jaffa: ...pppppONG Jun 24 06:43:24 achipa: Can't remember why I pinged Jun 24 06:43:36 So, good morning :) Jun 24 06:44:35 achipa: Ah, here's one - Qt SDK Harmattan targets still seem to put things under /opt: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3634&goto=newpost Jun 24 06:46:20 Jaffa: i spent night in improving my proto for a new unified mobile UX for meego community, it's taking shape (look last -1 msg): http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 Jun 24 06:46:43 i want the opinion of some great personnality of meego Jun 24 06:46:50 achipa: Ah, it looks like another Qt Creator "I'll pretend to abstract things for you, but watch out - I won't" Jun 24 06:47:05 TheBootroo: I'll have a look when I get to work Jun 24 06:47:17 Jaffa: ok Jun 24 06:51:19 gah... manual timezone setting is b0rk3d Jun 24 06:54:06 http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ Jun 24 06:54:10 where is this now Jun 24 06:54:35 meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1.ks refers to that Jun 24 06:55:10 can some one point out where it has been archived Jun 24 06:56:47 not sure we archive every single daily build Jun 24 06:56:53 it's a lot of files Jun 24 06:56:53 archive.meego.com maybe Jun 24 06:57:00 I comefrom china .please take care me ,thinks Jun 24 06:57:03 but yeah, i doubt explicit snapshots are archived beyond a month Jun 24 06:58:57 Jaffa: there might be some template cruft from fremantle Jun 24 07:02:21 Hi I am stuck at a point after following steps from http://developer.meego.com/guides/getting-started/developing-chroot-and-xephyr-linux-only to "Change root" into the MeeGo image Jun 24 07:02:36 i have Installed MeeGo Image Creator Jun 24 07:03:13 but not getting how to create a .img Jun 24 07:04:54 i understand i need to create a loop image using sudo mic-image-creator --config=default.ks --format=loop --cache=mycache Jun 24 07:05:11 but i am not getting from where i ll get this default.ks Jun 24 07:05:20 can someone please help me Jun 24 07:07:22 morning! :) Jun 24 07:07:45 morn Jun 24 07:07:53 morning julien Jun 24 07:08:38 morning Stskeeps & thiago_home Jun 24 07:08:43 way too early for me... :D Jun 24 07:08:51 morning Jun 24 07:10:03 evening Jun 24 07:10:34 evening Jun 24 07:10:50 morning here Jun 24 07:10:56 sun dropping Jun 24 07:10:59 (9 AM ) Jun 24 07:11:17 sun been gone for quite sometime here Jun 24 07:11:36 lil' past midnight Jun 24 07:11:45 raining Day is ending Jun 24 07:12:15 here in Lyon (france) the sun is rising since 5 AM and we already suffer of ~28°C at 9 AM what will it be this afternoon ? kind like 35°C ? damn too hot... Jun 24 07:14:22 Hi there can some one please point me to some default.ks file so that i can use mic-chroot: to get a MeeGo environment from a loop image for development Jun 24 07:14:37 I am stuck from last night Jun 24 07:15:12 my english is poor,but i can understant QT API document,dont't speaking englist, Jun 24 07:15:27 TheBootroo: wow... that's definitely hot. I'm gonna be near Lyon next week Jun 24 07:16:20 julienf: oh cool ! you will come seeing me ? Jun 24 07:16:22 ^^^ Jun 24 07:16:49 I can't speak English very well Jun 24 07:16:49 i can chinas english,ha ha ha ha ~~~~~ Jun 24 07:16:52 bonbinker: what is you primary language ? Jun 24 07:17:16 chinese Jun 24 07:17:20 ok Jun 24 07:17:24 TheBootroo: considering bonbinker said he/she's fron china, chinese is likely Jun 24 07:17:35 so i cant help you Jun 24 07:17:59 thiago_home: he posted durin i was typing the quesiton ;-) Jun 24 07:18:01 TheBootroo: I would love to but I think my schedule is going to be really tight. If you've got a car, you can come to Bourg en Bresse :) Jun 24 07:18:33 bonbinker: spend some more time here and you'll learn :) google translate is your friend :D Jun 24 07:18:38 on which occasion ? Jun 24 07:18:49 you know ,chinese people (student )english is poor Jun 24 07:18:56 i don't have a car :-( Jun 24 07:18:56 Google translate seems to have invented "gorilla ice cream" Jun 24 07:19:08 NO i like meego, Jun 24 07:19:36 bonbinker: usually, french people english is poor too, but it will not keep me from trying at elast Jun 24 07:19:43 i am is Software Engineer Jun 24 07:19:51 but english is bad Jun 24 07:20:25 bonbinker: surprinsing, since SE needs to know english very well, at least technical one Jun 24 07:20:26 gorilla ice cream been invented at Berlin Zoo afaik ;-) Jun 24 07:21:12 any there around who knows how to prepare a .img file for mic-chroot Jun 24 07:21:40 any one around there who knows how to prepare a .img file for mic-chroot Jun 24 07:22:27 yes ,,but ,china educate is ^^^^^,,,NO have no way Jun 24 07:23:51 gn Jun 24 07:26:45 Stskeeps: thiago_home: Do you have any idea for my problem Jun 24 07:28:48 The Nokia N950 Developer Kit is available to qualifying Nokia Developer Launchpad members who have published apps to Ovi Store, or have started to develop their apps using Qt. If you wish to obtain one of these kits, please send your request to: nokia.developer.launchpad@nokia.com. The deadline for submitting requests is 31 July 2011. Jun 24 07:36:32 hi Jun 24 07:38:49 is it able to install libqt-devel? Jun 24 07:39:00 on meego Jun 24 07:39:06 yes Jun 24 07:39:40 I'm not found in repository Jun 24 07:40:02 called libqt4-devel i think Jun 24 07:40:25 ok thank you very much Jun 24 07:43:05 this library isn't found Jun 24 07:43:16 also Jun 24 07:44:06 Stskeeps: do have any idea how to create .img file for chroot? Jun 24 07:45:06 Why do you need a .img file for chrooting? Jun 24 07:45:26 You just need the systems root directory structure. Jun 24 07:51:45 bonbinker: MEH Jun 24 07:51:52 alterego: "systems root directory structure " you mean sysroots/meego-tablet-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1-fs Jun 24 07:52:21 Oh, you want to mount the image and chroot that? Jun 24 07:52:28 alterego: i have installed MeeGo1.2 SDK Jun 24 07:52:50 yes i want to mount something (*.img) and chroot that Jun 24 07:53:12 Never heard of anyone mounting a madde fs .. Jun 24 07:53:18 It probably wont work Jun 24 07:53:42 no i don't want to mount madde fs exactly Jun 24 07:54:11 what people usually chroot? Jun 24 07:54:39 i want to use chroot and Xephyr as my dev environment Jun 24 07:54:44 how can i achieve that Jun 24 07:55:26 alterego: have a look at it http://developer.meego.com/guides/getting-started/developing-chroot-and-xephyr-linux-only Jun 24 07:55:44 please look at "Change root" into the MeeGo image" section Jun 24 08:01:18 bonbinker: where from? Jun 24 09:06:15 hey what do you use as a application manager? Jun 24 09:06:57 aka system monitor or task manager Jun 24 09:07:50 i have meebo netbook edition and need some thing like tom but with a pretty gui Jun 24 09:09:26 imean something like top but with a gui Jun 24 09:14:50 is anybody using yum with ubuntu? Jun 24 09:15:01 imean meego? Jun 24 09:15:21 morning all Jun 24 09:17:11 lardman: have you tried using yum on meego? Jun 24 09:17:42 nope, sorry Jun 24 09:18:47 roofboard: it was removed in 1.1 Jun 24 09:18:59 what do you think about my Qt version for meego handset of the WP7 tile wall (enhanced indeed) http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/803017PageGadgets.png Jun 24 09:19:20 (colours can be changed through a CSS file Jun 24 09:19:33 i 'll make editing UI later Jun 24 09:23:04 slane: thanks um.... why is their a reason for that? i am gettring really annoyed with how slow PackageKit is! Jun 24 09:24:01 egsh, i guess its dyslexia day! Jun 24 09:24:33 zypper is the new cmdline package management tool. Jun 24 09:24:37 TheBootroo: btw the concept behind the tile wall is that there are no frills, at all. Jun 24 09:25:52 cmd line is great... if you know what you want ; ) i was hoping to find me a less buggy gui! Jun 24 09:27:44 dm8tbr: i don't try to copy WP7 wall which is hideous, i did a mashup between WP7 tiles, MAemo5 homescreen, Symbian gadgets and integrated into the style of my prototype Jun 24 09:28:34 dm8tbr: i think you really can't get the same level as another product if we just try to copy-and-paste the more reallistically as possbile Jun 24 09:29:07 we need to differentiate and find our own identity, while taking best ideas regardless from where they are coming from Jun 24 09:29:10 TheBootroo: I do see the merit in making the UI more plain, less gradients, less bling, less 3d Jun 24 09:29:28 dm8tbr: there is a limit Jun 24 09:30:03 I'm not arguing you should not experiment. I'm just saying that there was a conscious decision why MS went with the very plain UI and part of it was performance. Jun 24 09:31:25 i'm not for blingbling but the final thing has to be a minimum bordered, couloured (not one only bleh blue) and try to respect some spacing and centering rules, unlike the MS thing which has a lot a lost place on the right but one the left, which give the impression the screen is not centered on the device Jun 24 09:32:56 i understand ms position , after Vista's fail, they xwanted to do the complete opposite, not eye cnady at all, but i think its too much, we need to find the right equilibre point : look at harmattan ! beautiful but non as charged as iOS or HTC Sense ! Jun 24 09:34:24 from my part i'll try later to focus on 4-5 soft colors, and smooth appeance : only two stops by gradient, to avoid 'big 3D toshop bumpy thing with 10 stops gradient' Jun 24 09:34:45 i will have to make more icons Jun 24 09:35:45 in the style of Faenza / humanity / tango / elementary : soft colors and pictographical, instead of glossy and photorealistic stuff of some OSes Jun 24 09:45:14 has anybody heard of using yum in meego notebook? Jun 24 09:45:26 use zypper instead Jun 24 09:46:16 TheBootroo: I think the gradients should be *very* subtle, and the transparency reduced. The labels at the bottom should use different colours for the different panels, and be unlabelled. I'd also make the icons really small and copy Nokia's swipe to move between them (like the N900 home screens) Jun 24 09:46:38 roofboard: I answered that already Jun 24 09:46:43 TheBootroo: Less text, in other words. Lose "Click here to lock the device" and "Change the profile" Jun 24 09:48:05 slane: well... i'm trying to install it right now, just waiting on an endless download, hopefully i dont crash my system Jun 24 09:49:29 roofboard: There's a pretty good zypper cheatsheet that I have to call up every so often as I'm more used to yum/apt Jun 24 09:50:30 Slane: thanks for all the help man ive always been a ubuntu/debian person so this is like learning a whole new linux! Jun 24 09:51:40 Hi all i am creating my own image by taking .ks file from http://download.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/testing/1.2.0/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.82/images/meego-tablet-ia32-mfld/ now i see its trying to download http://download.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/testing/1.2.0/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.82/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/sample-media-0.4-2.1.i586.rpm which is a big file and idont not want this Jun 24 09:52:03 how can configure so that MIC2 will exclude this Jun 24 09:52:19 add -sample-media in %packages Jun 24 09:53:51 Stskeeps: thanks Jun 24 09:57:53 every time i spot black n7 on the street my eyes are instinctively trying to pop out to look closer if that might be n950 Jun 24 09:57:57 e7 even Jun 24 09:58:05 Stskeeps: .ks file does not contain the debug repo can i add it and installed selected packages using "individual pkgs" under %packages Jun 24 09:58:16 bkalinga: yes Jun 24 09:58:17 they look quite similar from the distance Jun 24 09:58:29 or it will install all the package contained in that repo? Jun 24 09:58:43 no Jun 24 09:59:01 how that being controlled ? Jun 24 09:59:20 package groups + packages you include + their dependancies are what's being dragged in Jun 24 09:59:54 ok Jun 24 09:59:58 repo --name=1.2-oss --baseurl=http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.82/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ --save --debuginfo --source --gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-meego Jun 24 10:00:06 is there in my .ks file Jun 24 10:00:13 you really shouldn't use download.meego, use repo.meego.com Jun 24 10:00:17 --save --debuginfo means Jun 24 10:01:30 acually above link is invalid now i searched a bit and found a valid link @ http://download.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/testing/1.2.0/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.82/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ Jun 24 10:01:53 from next time i ll use repo.meego.com Jun 24 10:02:27 so when i change the repo url next time will my cache will be still valid Jun 24 10:02:43 or everything will get downloaded again Jun 24 10:03:00 will be downloaded, when you change repo url Jun 24 10:03:08 --save --debuginfo means Jun 24 10:03:21 means save it into /etc/zypp/repos.d/ Jun 24 10:03:25 for use in image Jun 24 10:03:51 that means debug info also getting downloaded Jun 24 10:04:24 man, with all the distros out there and stuff, you would imagine their would be a training program, like an online class where one could sign up for a free primer of instructor led linux! maybe when i have a million dollars to donate to the linux foundation! its annowing that my school only offers "boring microsoft bla" Jun 24 10:05:13 roofboard, I agree Jun 24 10:07:29 roofboard: did i make you annoying ? Jun 24 10:08:34 yah, full of spelling errors today! started zyban it makes ya a lil drowsy! Jun 24 10:12:20 Jaffa: i'm not trying to do a swipe like UI, a opposite i would say i want a tap based UX and i will almost never put a button without legend. BUt for gradients yes they will be smoothed and colors goind pastel Jun 24 10:13:25 TheBootroo: Keep in mind that handsets can have 16bit displays. So gradients are ugly there. Jun 24 10:13:38 Jaffa: the UI must be usable with one pulse and without multitouch Jun 24 10:14:02 X-Fade: 16 bit is crap and must disappear Jun 24 10:14:19 Yeah, but you can't do anything about that ;) Jun 24 10:14:55 16 bit is great! voodoo3 for life! :) Jun 24 10:15:08 ok its food time here Jun 24 10:15:20 AFK i'll be back Jun 24 10:18:00 umm make you annoying... umm well i pretty sure my friends are getting annoyed with me constantly showing them how much windows sucks! then them thinking "im lucky i dont have to learn all that in windows" Jun 24 10:20:16 spam? Jun 24 10:21:47 no just responce to a question earlier Jun 24 10:23:09 hey do you know what the deal with packagekit is? Jun 24 10:23:30 i mean is it generally pretty buggy? Jun 24 10:28:37 roofboard: fair enough, I must have missed the question Jun 24 10:29:35 cosmo, are you familiar with Package kit? Jun 24 10:30:07 CosmoHill: Jun 24 10:48:40 does anybody know what the deal with packagekit is? Jun 24 10:48:42 i mean is it generally pretty buggy? Jun 24 11:03:07 roofboard: not really, it's used by pretty much every major distro Jun 24 11:04:34 ok, i ask because it keeps locking up on me, will not terminate when i close it, and will not terminate when zypper tells it too. i end up having to reboot! Jun 24 11:05:47 slaine: btw what is your primary os? what do you use meego on? Jun 24 11:06:27 PackageKit runs as daemon in the background iirc. Jun 24 11:07:04 I have no Primary OS, I used Mac OSX, Fedora 14/15, Debian/Ubuntu and MeeGo on a daily basis Jun 24 11:08:06 I run MeeGo on my n900, my Lenovo IdeaPad and a Dell Mini9 Jun 24 11:09:03 slaine: Right on man, thanks erm... would you please translate "daemon in the background iirc" mainly iirc how do i control that? Jun 24 11:09:24 iirc == if i recall correctly Jun 24 11:09:33 daemon means a background service Jun 24 11:10:48 so how would you go about killing it? because when i top it doesn't show up. Jun 24 11:11:06 What are you trying to do ? Jun 24 11:11:51 as in, why do you want to kill packagekit Jun 24 11:13:12 well... because it keeps going unresponsive on me zypper works well for instalations but Package Kit just gets stuck! Jun 24 11:15:44 I also dont understand why it must constantly update its database, once per session should be fine. unless i am unclear on its function, all i know is synaptic in ubuntu seems much more responsive Jun 24 11:18:25 the last time package kit froze was because i guess i had a bad repo listed and it just wouldnt time out. Jun 24 11:19:35 i created my own image by taking .ks file and the .img file is created as ~/meego-tablet-ia32-mfld-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.82-1.1.99.20110624.1417.img Jun 24 11:19:53 but i see bind_unmount: /lib/modules/2.6.32-30-generic-pae -> /var/cache/meego-bootstrap//lib/modules/2.6.32-30-generic-pae Jun 24 11:20:18 why there is /var/cache/meego-bootstrap Jun 24 11:20:32 its weird though becaue it will freeze then i will close the application, and it will still keep running lopcked in the background Jun 24 11:20:35 that is consuming a lot of spave Jun 24 11:20:44 *space Jun 24 11:21:30 My image itself is 2.5GB Jun 24 11:22:26 can someone tell me what /var/cache/meego-bootstrap is for Jun 24 11:22:33 can i safely delete it Jun 24 11:58:10 back Jun 24 11:58:59 Welcome back Jun 24 11:59:29 rumors say alien dalvik *will* be available for n9 after all, can anyone confirm? Jun 24 11:59:33 thx Jun 24 11:59:58 Arkenoi: it will obvioulsy, but none know when Jun 24 12:05:57 did i miss anything? Jun 24 12:08:22 shoot! it's 5 oclock! i have to start making rounds! i will check that out but i have to log off feel free to e-mail me at roof.board@gmail.com Jun 24 12:31:49 zypper install meego-simulator-launcher-tablet Jun 24 12:31:56 Problem: meego-simulator-launcher-tablet-1.0.4-1.1.i586 requires mesa-libEGL, but this requirement cannot be provided Jun 24 12:32:33 http://pastebin.com/G42bD6w9 Jun 24 12:42:27 meego will be community supported like maemo right ? Jun 24 12:43:09 any one has any idea why zypper install meego-simulator-launcher-tablet giving error Jun 24 12:49:32 bash: startmeego: command not found Jun 24 12:50:06 can someone point what is missing i chroot to my created .img Jun 24 13:03:46 heya folks Jun 24 13:03:51 hey lcuk Jun 24 13:04:00 who has the N9 ux specs? Jun 24 13:04:13 and a question: with the icon stuff being so pixel perfect Jun 24 13:04:30 what happens when we use the same apps on different machines with different screen resolutions Jun 24 13:04:33 lcuk: .o/ Jun 24 13:04:40 \o CosmoHill slaine Jun 24 13:07:10 lcuk: I've pondered similar. I wonder how my icon will look on Symbian (probably OK?) or Maemo (probably a bit odd) or MeeGo (probably weird) Jun 24 13:09:53 Jaffa, it should look ok, the general guidelines are helpful Jun 24 13:10:20 need a thing to show the icones at different scales though Jun 24 13:10:30 to let people test Jun 24 13:12:04 lcuk: It should look OK until the next device running MeeGo has different icon guidelines ;-) Jun 24 13:15:08 Jaffa, !!! Jun 24 13:15:09 but but but Jun 24 13:18:05 lcuk: had a delivery yet? Jun 24 13:18:12 Baby or packages? ;) Jun 24 13:18:18 alterego, no she is still pottering around Jun 24 13:20:09 alterego, she is massive now Jun 24 13:20:33 lcuk: Overdue? Jun 24 13:20:34 the water shortage is caused by the swimming pool this baby is using Jun 24 13:20:43 fiferboy, over a week now Jun 24 13:21:05 Wow, my second son was 5-6 days overdue Jun 24 13:21:19 if you have not ever had a baby, look away now Jun 24 13:21:32 technical womanly stuff: she has had her show but waters have not broke yet Jun 24 13:22:32 Will they induce after a certain wait? Here they only left you go two weeks overdue Jun 24 13:22:37 sunday Jun 24 13:23:13 lcuk: Good luck to her. Jun 24 13:23:18 Not much longer then (but it will seem like a week to her) Jun 24 13:23:52 it already seems like an age since monday. were in hospital for hours then after show showed Jun 24 13:29:04 lcuk: Good luck to her and you ... sounds like it won't be long ;) Jun 24 13:29:54 aahh my eyes Jun 24 13:29:56 * CosmoHill didn't look away Jun 24 13:30:23 unicorn chaser Jun 24 13:30:39 * SpeedEvil has delivered babies - it's not that bad. Jun 24 13:30:53 (Though they were goats) Jun 24 13:31:04 was the mum surprised? Jun 24 13:31:06 (and yes, I know, it's not as easy as that) Jun 24 13:31:21 tracy would be surprised if she gave birth to a goat Jun 24 13:31:33 I bet you would too. Jun 24 13:31:44 Top class april fool though. Jun 24 13:31:47 not really tbh Jun 24 13:32:15 "your baby has a fine fur coat....wait a minute..." Jun 24 13:32:47 "Oh, *that's* where I left it" Jun 24 13:33:03 this baby is so late out we are expecting it to have a beard close in length to santa Jun 24 13:35:39 Jaffa, how would you do a swipe on a device with a bezel Jun 24 13:37:48 lcuk: Fair question. However in terms of TheBootroo's UX, the swipe between the homescreens could be Maemo 5-like swiping/panning, rather than N9-style "slide from off the screen". The N9 needs that to get home, but there's talk of MeeGo UX already requiring a hardware button. Jun 24 13:39:19 Jaffa, in some experimental thingies, a swipe from 10% left of right hand side of the screen (with detected swipe to left/right can be useful Jun 24 13:39:41 not that there is anything like OpenSwipe being retrofitted Jun 24 13:39:45 of course Jun 24 13:40:19 and such a thing cannot be testing on n900s Jun 24 13:40:26 or ideapads Jun 24 13:53:45 mcfrisk: or ask in #meego-arm they are motivated to help 'real' vendors out Jun 24 13:59:14 well, we have a phone and a half for next year or two. the question is what are we going to do next? is there a way to convince someone to invest $0.5..1.5M in chinese "generic phone" open enough to port meego to it? Jun 24 14:00:02 Arkenoi: yes. Jun 24 14:00:16 I am quite willing to invest $2M in the project. Jun 24 14:00:33 Anyone want to send me $2.1m so I can invest in open phones? Jun 24 14:00:49 Nice try. Jun 24 14:01:23 SpeedEvil http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/ Jun 24 14:01:43 I've got half a spare bitcoin left, if we have time enough I'll bring up the $2M in some years Jun 24 14:02:30 The biggest problem you will find with any "open phone" project is finding a decent cellular baseband chipset/modem/etc Jun 24 14:02:39 there is shitload of chinese android crap, and if it runs android it means it may *potentially* run meego. and that "potentially" is just one or two hundred thousands bucks away. Zero for Nokia, infinity for me :-( Jun 24 14:02:55 Go and look at the price of chinese 3G phones. Jun 24 14:02:58 It's quite high Jun 24 14:03:06 the problem with chinese crap is that it uses chinese undocumented chipsets Jun 24 14:03:15 GSM phones - cheeeep Jun 24 14:03:27 try to get proper docs for RockChip... Jun 24 14:03:29 what's the problem with 3g for china? Jun 24 14:03:40 Most of the generic crap phones you see from China (all those KIRF phones) tend to use the same generic quad-band dual SIM crappy el-cheapo chipset Jun 24 14:03:53 jonwil: mtk, yes Jun 24 14:04:08 mtk has 3g chipsets as well Jun 24 14:04:11 Arkenoi: Very few phones out of china are 3G. Those that are carry around a hundred to a hundred and fifty dollar premium Jun 24 14:04:54 SpeedEvil: hundred plus for $200 phone is still 3 times cheaper than n9 when it comes out :-) Jun 24 14:05:54 and $200 smartphones from china are 1GHz snapdragons Jun 24 14:06:09 ping Jaffa Jun 24 14:06:15 460MHz mtk are for $120-150 Jun 24 14:06:16 Apps reminder Jun 24 14:06:22 Wander round http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/423767224-gps-module-SKG11B-12-12-4mm-the-smallest-dimension-wholesalers.html and find a decent phone you'd like, and mail them asking about how much source and openness would be Jun 24 14:06:56 openness is a problem Jun 24 14:07:22 chinese guys have very strange mentality about IP Jun 24 14:08:20 they may break the deal refusing to provide you documentation you later find being freely available Jun 24 14:08:21 No they don't. Jun 24 14:08:28 nom nom nom. Jun 24 14:08:30 Simples. Jun 24 14:08:56 hi all Jun 24 14:10:28 anybody know what the extra button on the W1 is ? Jun 24 14:10:35 is it this missing camera button? Jun 24 14:10:42 I've a Qt dilemma: I'd like to target Maemo, Harmattan, Symbian touch with my application, but... If I target only Harmattan I already have QML Components ready to use (buttons, sliders ecc...). If I create a generick "QtQuick Project" I don't have these components available. Should I target only harmattan and wait for these components to be available on Maemo and Symbian too or should I create my components from scratch? Jun 24 14:13:18 speedevil, i know a man who tried to order dvd players with custom ui Jun 24 14:14:11 he finally gave up because the cycle of fixes was infinite and they strictly refused to provide sdk to any external team Jun 24 14:14:23 Andy80: I think the plan is to be able to target multiple platforms with the Qt Components (Harmattan, Maemo5, Desktop, Symbian, etc) but I'm not sure what the current status is Jun 24 14:14:37 so finally he just told them to fuck off and die Jun 24 14:14:46 I know there is some work in git right now re-merging the components work that was done behind closed doors Jun 24 14:14:54 Maybe this is what we need to wait for Jun 24 14:14:54 Arkenoi, language Jun 24 14:14:59 sorry Jun 24 14:16:26 fiferboy: yeah, that's what I hope.... anyway I want to be clear: my main target is Harmattan... but of course I'd like my applicatin to be able to run on Maemo and Symbian too Jun 24 14:17:06 maybe villev has some idea about this? Jun 24 14:17:12 Andy80: With Qt Components, I think that should be fairly easy Jun 24 14:17:24 Andy80: There is the additional complication of MeeGo UX Components as well Jun 24 14:17:28 good evening, to install meego 1.2 summer release on the eMMC of my N900 i should use the same de-installer for the dev edition ? Jun 24 14:18:34 biston, try using the same instructions you did for the dev release, yues Jun 24 14:19:19 okay thanks Jun 24 14:22:40 lcuk: the new phone is called W1? Jun 24 14:36:59 Guess Elop forgot to consider having the worlds best firefighters on the burning platform. <- bravo :) Jun 24 14:40:15 wazd, how easy would it be to make the Windows Phone British Airways app on meego? Jun 24 14:40:24 (serious question, that app look lovely) Jun 24 14:40:39 lcuk: o/ Jun 24 14:41:01 hi timoph are you enjoying the summer house? :D Jun 24 14:41:08 very much Jun 24 14:41:28 when you look outside do you nokians camp in closeness to each other Jun 24 14:41:36 or do you all do to different locations? Jun 24 14:41:42 not so much :) Jun 24 14:41:45 do the nokians* Jun 24 14:42:07 I did see an awesome tree though :) Jun 24 14:42:12 photos! Jun 24 14:42:17 always take photos Jun 24 14:42:18 wait a sec Jun 24 14:42:20 :D Jun 24 14:42:23 * timoph took Jun 24 14:42:36 ooh Jun 24 14:42:52 wazd, that question is real, see presentation about BA app Jun 24 14:43:21 new community edition video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WgB3sgwz24 Jun 24 14:43:53 Stskeeps, the video has not yet been uploaded and you are promoting it already! Jun 24 14:44:01 your time travelling n950 is that awesome :P Jun 24 14:44:20 Hey wazd, how's the D7000? Jun 24 14:44:45 lcuk: odd, i can view it Jun 24 14:47:38 lcuk: http://timoph.fi/tree1.jpg http://timoph.fi/tree2.jpg http://timoph.fi/tree3.jpg Jun 24 14:49:19 timoph, :D which device? Jun 24 14:49:23 Stskeeps, I can now Jun 24 14:49:59 lcuk: n900 :) Jun 24 14:50:01 timoph, do you use the same location every year? that looks like an awesome place to camp Jun 24 14:50:03 :D Jun 24 14:50:06 fiferboy: heyhey! :) Jun 24 14:50:26 lcuk: that's 1km away from my parents house Jun 24 14:50:26 fiferboy: awesome, tons of settings, can't keep em all in my head :D Jun 24 14:52:32 lcuk: sorry, I have no idea :D Jun 24 14:53:24 lcuk: the app looks cool, but I'm not such a frequent flyer so it's kinda useless for me Jun 24 14:53:43 lcuk: places where I used to run around as a kid. went there today to see if the place still looks the same Jun 24 14:54:07 :D Jun 24 14:55:32 timoph, and does it? (mostly apart form trees evolving) Jun 24 14:57:00 pretty much the same. Although the way there seemed longer back then :) Jun 24 14:57:21 of course, they have motor vehicles nowadays :P Jun 24 14:57:39 :) Jun 24 14:58:24 that place is really hard to get to using any motor vehicle except using a boat :) Jun 24 14:59:23 timoph, the forest looks lovely, how do you have internet connectivity Jun 24 14:59:33 I do :) Jun 24 14:59:36 3g Jun 24 14:59:41 long ethernet cable? :D Jun 24 14:59:46 :D Jun 24 15:00:07 I currently at my parents so.. Jun 24 15:00:10 'm Jun 24 15:00:13 last time I went up into the mountains camping it was fun Jun 24 15:00:22 the guys with iphones were trying to download stuff Jun 24 15:00:30 I was just getting on with stuff Jun 24 15:00:36 :) Jun 24 15:00:52 timoph, your parents have their own personal 3g mast? Jun 24 15:01:06 (not a bad idea actually) Jun 24 15:01:32 not really :) Jun 24 15:02:03 using wifi here but at the cabin where we're staying there's 3g connectivity Jun 24 15:03:16 DawnFoster: so... #meego-infra Jun 24 15:03:27 lbt: yes? Jun 24 15:04:19 do you think it makes sense to have it as a kind of 'super IT / systems' channel Jun 24 15:04:39 lbt I tohught that was your PM window :P Jun 24 15:04:41 I meant to propose it somewhere ... maybe an IT meeting Jun 24 15:04:42 tohugh Jun 24 15:04:53 lcuk: get some sleep mate ;) Jun 24 15:05:16 I am, this apps stuff is too complex Jun 24 15:05:17 ;) Jun 24 15:05:28 X-Fade: so what channels / mainling lists you guys are using so can follow the developent and whine about bugs :) Jun 24 15:05:50 lbt: not convinced we need yet another irc channel for it Jun 24 15:05:56 timoph: meego-community for communication Jun 24 15:06:04 lbt: but if you do, ok Jun 24 15:06:12 timoph: bugs, we have a product. Jun 24 15:06:24 good Jun 24 15:06:29 DawnFoster: where do you suggest we discuss that kind of thing? Jun 24 15:06:34 Friday evenings is also a bad thing for me :) Jun 24 15:06:42 lbt: here's the process for new channels: http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#New_MeeGo_Channels Jun 24 15:06:58 lbt: And I also like less channels, not more. Jun 24 15:07:07 in general, pick the mailing list where the people who will use the channel and discuss it there Jun 24 15:07:23 seems like we could have most of those discussions here Jun 24 15:07:38 Yes, I think #meego should be fine. Jun 24 15:07:46 * timoph agrees with DawnFoster Jun 24 15:08:00 Remember that all the non serious talk -> #meego-bar Jun 24 15:08:02 X-Fade: me too, but there's nowhere sane to debate BOSS development, website development etc Jun 24 15:08:19 and this place gets real noisy and not work like ... a lot! Jun 24 15:08:51 lbt: people will quiet down when there are real topics active. Jun 24 15:09:01 mmm Jun 24 15:09:17 the only channel I ever used for "real work" got banned Jun 24 15:09:22 :) Jun 24 15:20:01 wanna see a beautiful (kinda) product ? check that new Mobile Unified UX for MeeGo Community Edition (plain Qt + CSS) : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 Jun 24 15:20:30 took me about 15 hours to develop, test and upload Jun 24 15:21:07 not finished yet but can be tested on my gitorious, on a standard computer, needs only Qt SDK with a compiler Jun 24 15:21:17 want some feedback Jun 24 15:21:18 checked it but that really is just a proto and not really functional Jun 24 15:21:20 ;-) Jun 24 15:22:13 it's naming might cause some confusion Jun 24 15:22:36 o rly ? Jun 24 15:22:53 that a common Ui for handsets and tablets Jun 24 15:23:33 for the non commercial not end vendor release of meego (i think to N900 DE by example) which reallly needs better UX Jun 24 15:24:54 I'm not disagreeing but for me the name makes it sound like a bigger deal that it currently is (no offence) Jun 24 15:25:23 i'm introducing some new UI concepts like : right toolbar in landscape mode, no drop down menu, no context click, only single tap with single finger/stylus/mouse Jun 24 15:26:06 it's a proposal prototype for a new Unified Mobile User eXperience for MeeGo Community Edition ! Jun 24 15:26:09 really long Jun 24 15:26:18 :) Jun 24 15:26:34 UMUX, sounds good :) Jun 24 15:26:40 i prefer MobileUX-NG, in reference to HandsetUX, TabletUX .... Jun 24 15:27:00 berndhs: i'm not fan of acronyms Jun 24 15:27:02 is it normal for the n900 to give a pitch black screen while installing meego? i'm using the de-installer.sh and when it first started i was able to see the CLI output Jun 24 15:27:08 the "proposal" part is the things that's missing from the description IMO Jun 24 15:27:22 normal people prefer words that means what they means Jun 24 15:27:43 timoph: hope it will not stay 'proposal' too long Jun 24 15:27:50 and become 'testing' Jun 24 15:27:54 you will get an acronym whether you want to or not, people are too lazy to type whole words Jun 24 15:27:56 you can already play ith it Jun 24 15:27:59 biston: yep. the screen saver kicks in. you can tap the screen or close and open the kb to wake it up Jun 24 15:28:21 timoph, it won't wake up, i tried tapping/closing/opening... Jun 24 15:28:23 MobileUX Jun 24 15:28:29 not too long Jun 24 15:28:40 TheBootroo: well. There's a lot of work to be done for it to replace the current thing. i.e. all the interaction with the OS itself Jun 24 15:28:41 although i can still see the established connection in netstat to the device Jun 24 15:28:45 sure for reasonable peolpe its not too long Jun 24 15:28:51 hello everybody.. Jun 24 15:29:28 it is possible that LG come out an mobilephone with meego nearly? Jun 24 15:29:35 biston: you do 'sudo kill -USR1 `pidof dd`' on the pc side to make it print it's current status Jun 24 15:29:42 Brand New Ass Kicking User Interface For MeeGo Mobile Devices Maintained By The Community Proposed And Developped By TheBootroo Jun 24 15:30:04 biston: it will print it to the same terminal that has the installer running Jun 24 15:30:16 okay thank you Jun 24 15:30:20 * timoph is the guy who wrote the installer Jun 24 15:30:23 * timoph hides Jun 24 15:30:30 timoph: yes i know so i will not start system integration before i get enough interet and good feedback Jun 24 15:30:59 TheBootroo: yeah. good to have the usability, etc. issues solved first Jun 24 15:31:15 timoph: that my opinion to Jun 24 15:31:56 i really pay attention to this empty shell proto,a nd if enough people test it and are happpy, i ll start real integration Jun 24 15:32:58 and until that day i'll contunously improve the prototype (loook at the nb of commit on my gitorious in only 2 days https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng) Jun 24 15:33:20 timoph: did you tested it ? and saw screenshots at least ? Jun 24 15:33:52 TheBootroo: I took a look at the sources and the screen shots Jun 24 15:34:01 TheBootroo: this is (going to) work with simple interactions only? no tricky gestures ? Jun 24 15:34:02 timoph: ok good Jun 24 15:34:10 berndhs: yes Jun 24 15:34:21 berndhs: no need to swipe or pinch or swirl Jun 24 15:34:45 only single tap in reasonable 20px radius circle Jun 24 15:34:56 with big ui elements Jun 24 15:34:56 so it would be useful when wearing gloves, in cold weather, under harsh (wet) conditions etc Jun 24 15:35:39 berndhs: would be useful all the time in my opinion, i don't like gesture only based UI, i want graphical elements, buttons, labels..etc Jun 24 15:36:10 i meant as a contrast to interfaces that need finicky gestures Jun 24 15:37:05 even when the unit and the user are in motion, I think gestures can be a problem Jun 24 15:37:16 yes Jun 24 15:37:32 on a bike, on a boat, carrying bags, ... Jun 24 15:37:56 berndhs: on the street with a dog Jun 24 15:38:05 right, many examples Jun 24 15:38:06 on wet floor Jun 24 15:38:16 during lunch Jun 24 15:38:48 be sure of one thing : Jun 24 15:39:36 lbt: pong Jun 24 15:39:51 bit late :) Jun 24 15:39:52 i'm not from these guys who say "o hai wud luv doin **** but i don't know programming, help plz kthx..." Jun 24 15:39:57 Apps meeting Jaffa Jun 24 15:40:23 i know programming, and love that (that's my real passion) and when i say i want something, i actually start doing it Jun 24 15:40:43 then it may take some time to achieve but at least there are results Jun 24 15:41:34 oh and i don't take interest in too little projects, i always go on big / huge / difficult projects Jun 24 15:41:45 lbt: Just read the scrollback. Only saw my name mentioned once. Hectic afternoon since it's feature freeze day for us Jun 24 15:41:56 np Jun 24 15:42:30 really, i spent whole last night coding that proto (didn't sleep) and don't regret it, and i gonna resume dev tonight and this weekend Jun 24 15:42:50 just make sure you get some sleep eventually :) Jun 24 15:42:54 I prefer to do a bit simpler things so I actually get things done. I don't have that much time to spend on free time project so have to make most of the time available Jun 24 15:43:04 berndhs: eventually is the word Jun 24 15:43:30 and i ahve to go Jun 24 15:43:34 get home Jun 24 15:43:41 i will connect later tonight Jun 24 15:43:50 it 6:40 PM here Jun 24 15:44:03 careful in traffice with lack of sleep Jun 24 15:44:06 will be back around 8 PM Jun 24 15:44:14 berndhs: i take bus Jun 24 15:44:35 yeah but still Jun 24 15:44:55 and i don't suffer of getting tired until i make three sleepless night on a straight Jun 24 15:45:04 berndhs: okay mum Jun 24 15:45:09 :D Jun 24 15:45:12 oh to be young again :) Jun 24 15:45:36 oh yeah Jun 24 15:45:54 ok bye cul_R Jun 24 15:46:03 brb Jun 24 15:46:32 dont' forget test stuff here https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng and feedback here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 Jun 24 15:46:34 ;-) Jun 24 15:48:39 WTF? Jun 24 15:49:55 dm8tbr: ? Jun 24 15:50:20 timoph: that rooroo thingy that 'developed' an UX over night... Jun 24 15:50:58 dm8tbr: not really. I took a look at the sources Jun 24 15:51:29 more like a concept demo without functionality Jun 24 15:52:21 looks like the guy is trying hard to get a dev kit Jun 24 15:52:51 can't really blame him for trying :) Jun 24 15:53:40 he does have a point about the gestures Jun 24 15:54:18 gestures are fine if interacting with the UX is all you do Jun 24 17:58:21 Does anyone know if the Harmattan SDK works in Ubuntu 11.04? Jun 24 17:59:41 seems to work Jun 24 18:00:10 timoph: No problem with Xephyr and scratchbox? Jun 24 18:00:46 worked at least for the few basic things I quickly tried Jun 24 18:01:27 timoph: Excellent, thanks Jun 24 18:01:37 np Jun 24 18:01:43 Now I just have to wait for the Meego SDK to work in 11.04 and I can upgrade :) Jun 24 18:01:54 :) Jun 24 18:25:54 anyone home? Jun 24 18:26:38 Texrat: at your home? Jun 24 18:27:06 * CosmoHill freezes with Texrat's DVD player in his hands Jun 24 18:27:41 yes pierce, day off Jun 24 18:27:56 Hi Texrat Jun 24 18:28:26 whoa CosmoHill-- are yo invisible? I'm sitting in my living room :P Jun 24 18:28:34 hey fiferboy Jun 24 18:28:38 I'm skinny but not that skinny Jun 24 18:28:53 * CosmoHill puts the DVD player back and joins Texrat on the sofa Jun 24 18:29:09 not too close there buddy Jun 24 18:29:12 i'm back Jun 24 18:29:27 oh nice Texrat is inviting everyone to his house :) Jun 24 18:29:28 * CosmoHill is on the other side of the sofa Jun 24 18:29:48 * TheBootroo stole a beer in the kitchen Jun 24 18:29:48 yeah berndhs it's tiny and fallign apart but come on over Jun 24 18:29:57 maybe you guys can help me wreck it completely Jun 24 18:30:07 we'll fix the walls for you Jun 24 18:30:11 lo Texrat Jun 24 18:30:11 ^ this is the appropriate level of silly ^ Jun 24 18:30:16 then I'll tell insurance company it was a VETY selective tornado Jun 24 18:30:32 I don't want this house fixed I want it demolished Jun 24 18:30:53 hey stskeeps Jun 24 18:31:21 Texrat: developer device programme getting a good test of the system? :> Jun 24 18:31:26 got this place cheap as a fixer-upper but after losing 3 jobs while owning it we never had the money Jun 24 18:31:50 ack stskeeps... I wish more work could have been done before N9 intro... Jun 24 18:31:57 too much being tested live Jun 24 18:31:58 put it on floats, wait for the next flood ? Jun 24 18:32:13 * Texrat writes down berndhs' idea Jun 24 18:32:30 * Texrat plans to blame berndhs when caught Jun 24 18:32:57 tornado you say? Jun 24 18:33:09 * CosmoHill gives berndhs three tins of baked beans Jun 24 18:33:16 where's the bacon ? Jun 24 18:33:18 stskeeps I was hoping to work with mrshaver today on the device program but no word back yet Jun 24 18:33:33 in the kitchen Jun 24 18:33:35 the best baked beans have bacon in them Jun 24 18:33:53 well mixed in that is Jun 24 18:34:02 yes they should Jun 24 18:34:45 I always have to laugh when I see some labeled "vegetarian beans" Jun 24 18:34:51 oh, really? Jun 24 18:34:57 as opposed to...what? Jun 24 18:34:59 ;) Jun 24 18:35:00 exactly Jun 24 18:35:09 * TSCHAKeee can't even come up with a snappy comeback for thatone Jun 24 18:35:14 organic oranges Jun 24 18:35:16 brain gues..thwwppt. Jun 24 18:35:21 but I buy the vegetarian versions because I do NOT want that answered!!! Jun 24 18:35:23 ever try inorganic oranges ? Jun 24 18:35:38 I prefer the ones with carbon. Jun 24 18:35:39 Texrat: No animals were harmed in the making of these beans. Jun 24 18:35:55 no gabrbedd but many will be harmed after I eat some Jun 24 18:35:58 inorganic beans might be good for colon cleansing... Jun 24 18:36:03 *shrug* Jun 24 18:36:05 hrm... that would be vegan beans, I guess. Jun 24 18:36:25 Texrat: saw that tomiahonen cited your blog? Jun 24 18:36:31 yeah Jun 24 18:36:41 picked up some twitter followers... lol Jun 24 18:37:12 twitter rule #17: tweet often to people with lots of followers Jun 24 18:37:46 * SpeedEvil checks. Jun 24 18:37:52 viral virtual socializing Jun 24 18:37:52 I have 11 followers. Jun 24 18:38:14 me too Jun 24 18:38:14 ah, speedevil, I remember those carefree, simple days Jun 24 18:38:30 It's a fake name account decoupled from my RL Jun 24 18:38:31 when I didn't have to self-edit... Jun 24 18:39:00 with 840+ followers, including corporate accounts, you have to second guess every tweet Jun 24 18:39:14 I'm increasingly worried about the likelyhood of people drawing inferences about my health from my online posted content. Jun 24 18:39:30 I've cleaned up my language, damn it Jun 24 18:39:32 Hence trying to decouple the IDs at least somewhat. Jun 24 18:41:41 Currently 'earning' around a tenth of the salary I'd hope to, on benefits. Clearly this is a state to which I aspire, based on the various governmental approaches. Jun 24 18:41:44 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jun 24 18:42:20 I hear ya speedevil Jun 24 18:42:45 Texrat: you got swamped in applications for the device programme? :) Jun 24 18:43:34 Trying to get various things started up so that I actually have a state independant income, but spending my time learning the benefit system instead. I have around 200M of PDFs on the topic. Jun 24 18:43:43 Oh well - back to more fun reading - FCC release docs Jun 24 18:44:04 dm8tbr I expected the onslaught and warned everyone involved... Jun 24 18:44:04 is Texrat the guy handling the device program Jun 24 18:44:06 And I need to get the new OMAP ds Jun 24 18:44:19 * TSCHAKeee now knows who to send the hookers to. Jun 24 18:44:24 TSCHAKeee I manage it Jun 24 18:44:28 thank you Jun 24 18:44:44 Texrat: Do you know how many devices are on the other side of the program? Jun 24 18:44:48 The corporate? Jun 24 18:44:58 Texrat: btw, nice you got the form processing fixed quickly. appreciate it Jun 24 18:45:02 no clue speedevil Jun 24 18:45:22 dm8tbr I need to be clear: I'm not coding Jun 24 18:45:39 Texrat: still you got someone to do it :) Jun 24 18:45:40 I assume we should ignore the fact the form response is not nicely formatted, and ignores html? Jun 24 18:45:45 I've done the architecture work but not all was implemented Jun 24 18:46:10 actually dm8tbr filing bugs at bugs.meego.com is what gets it done ;) Jun 24 18:46:32 Texrat: btw, one suggestion: possibility to go back to own application. didn't find an option, was lucky to have the url in browser history Jun 24 18:46:45 I want to say though that I have a lot of plans for the program, just wait Jun 24 18:46:48 dm8tbr: It's there if you login to meego.com Jun 24 18:46:57 Texrat: you forgot the evil laugh. Jun 24 18:47:04 yes dm8tbr that's one Jun 24 18:47:05 dm8tbr: look on the top bar Jun 24 18:47:08 SpeedEvil: didn't see it, where would it be? Jun 24 18:47:10 muwahahahahahhaa Jun 24 18:47:31 listen guys, please file bugs on every broken or missing feature for device program Jun 24 18:47:47 best way to get stuff done and for us to manage Jun 24 18:48:02 dm8tbr: My account -> track Jun 24 18:48:30 Oh - the report isn't a mess of text anymore - but actual rendered text! :) Jun 24 18:48:32 SpeedEvil: totally counterintuitive Jun 24 18:48:36 wanna know soemthign funny? I coordinate this but don't currently have rights to view request page :D Jun 24 18:48:44 sheesh, *something* Jun 24 18:49:17 SpeedEvil: I was expecting to see it here https://meego.com/community/device-program/devices/nokia-n9-devkit Jun 24 18:49:25 instead it opens a new application Jun 24 18:49:36 dm8tbr: Submit a bug! Jun 24 18:49:49 dm8tbr I am pushing for request status table with links to your requests Jun 24 18:50:08 I want this to be as open as possible Jun 24 18:50:22 everyone should be able to see ALL submissions Jun 24 18:50:30 Texrat: ah, that would probably cover this, having a status next to the programme you submitted to would be a large plus Jun 24 18:50:31 just only edit their own Jun 24 18:50:41 right dm8tbr Jun 24 18:50:55 this will be a true workflow solution, start to stop Jun 24 18:51:03 Probably need that to be opt-in - there wasn't anything saying 'no personal details' on the pages Jun 24 18:51:05 *nod* Jun 24 18:51:23 Texrat: You're hoping to scale this to a flood of device programs? Jun 24 18:52:18 Texrat, we need a window manager capable of doing open meego proud. Jun 24 18:52:46 twm? Jun 24 18:52:57 people will use their n9s and n950s to make pretty apps, we want them to retain that good look and feel on other meego instances Jun 24 18:53:16 speedevil I want it to be rich and robust Jun 24 18:53:28 I see. Jun 24 18:53:53 speedevil no "personal" details will be shown in table, just PROJECT ones Jun 24 18:54:22 I want our program to be the best practice Jun 24 18:54:40 I mean the full aplication may contain links that were not expected to be published widely - for examle. Jun 24 18:54:50 and if it gets complicated enough, someone will have to hire me to manage it full time :D Jun 24 18:54:52 (not in my case - just raising a possible issue) Jun 24 18:55:18 well, SpeedEvil, I can add text to make that clear in wiki Jun 24 18:55:49 requestors need to understand that the project URL links to content, right, ;) Jun 24 18:56:05 SpeedEvil: +1 Jun 24 18:56:12 don't publish anything on project pages you don't want seen Jun 24 18:56:27 no private project URLs ;) Jun 24 18:56:59 the default mode for the program is open, but I will make that as clear as I can Jun 24 18:57:21 i'm not sure how you go about publishing something widely or narrowly on purpose Jun 24 18:57:39 ? berndhs Jun 24 18:57:49 berndhs: You stand in front of a press confernence and say 'turn your cameras off plz' Jun 24 18:57:51 that's what CMS does Jun 24 18:58:00 ROFL speedevil Jun 24 18:58:04 SpeedEvil: so that's "widely" ? Jun 24 18:58:07 My project page has a personal biography, but I guess I am ok with people seeing that Jun 24 18:58:16 right fiferboy Jun 24 18:58:26 I mean, this is common sense, right? Jun 24 18:58:30 And mine has my phone number. Jun 24 18:58:37 Which I'm absolutely not happy to give out. Jun 24 18:59:10 Speedevil, phone number goes in the application, not needed on project page, so... Jun 24 18:59:26 Alternate contact info? Jun 24 18:59:39 Sorry - I'm not clear on what's in this project page, and what's not Jun 24 18:59:42 Texrat, you might not have seen this, most recent view through the window at my playground garden http://liqbase.net/liq.20110623_015300.liqbase-playground.scr.png Jun 24 18:59:46 again: you're providing what is supposed to be a PUBLIC project URL Jun 24 19:00:05 but I will make that clearer Jun 24 19:00:12 Oh - right - I left that blank, as there was no URL in my case. Jun 24 19:00:19 Sorry for the confusion. Jun 24 19:00:19 ! Jun 24 19:00:36 that's a mistake in program then: the project URL is a requirement Jun 24 19:00:44 it's not supposed to allow NULLs Jun 24 19:00:55 http://localhost/ Jun 24 19:01:02 project URL can be anything though, even a forum thread Jun 24 19:01:02 some people may not have organised a site yet Texrat Jun 24 19:01:13 lcuk I have explained this many, many times Jun 24 19:01:16 I posted a photo in one application I think Jun 24 19:01:23 it's even mentioned in wiki Jun 24 19:01:35 we are VERY flexible on what a project url is Jun 24 19:01:39 Texrat: Do you have a link to wiki, so we can stop asking stupid questions? Jun 24 19:01:42 but it's a requirement Jun 24 19:01:44 oh Jun 24 19:01:47 'visit the wiki' Jun 24 19:01:49 Sorry Jun 24 19:01:51 * TSCHAKeee put LinuxMCE website Jun 24 19:01:52 ;) Jun 24 19:02:05 * TSCHAKeee prays for a device...pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease Jun 24 19:02:18 TSCHAKeee, use case specific Jun 24 19:02:25 we have around 400 requests now for 250 devices Jun 24 19:02:31 am I right in size wise, the 810 is similar? Jun 24 19:02:53 lcuk: tried to be as specific as i could be. Jun 24 19:02:56 I think it's close to E7 lcuk Jun 24 19:03:13 Texrat, using maemo scaling factors ;) Jun 24 19:03:23 ignore me then lcuk Jun 24 19:03:25 some folks have not had other business phones Jun 24 19:03:26 :D Jun 24 19:03:41 I am getting symbian phones sent now Texrat Jun 24 19:04:01 having to go through the data sync scenarios Jun 24 19:04:31 Texrat: I made a pretty site for my project page Jun 24 19:04:33 * lcuk wants his phones to work together and store all data together Jun 24 19:04:46 Texrat, if this submissions thing takes off Jun 24 19:04:49 that's the holy grain lcuk Jun 24 19:04:49 it could be like pr1.2 Jun 24 19:04:56 people offering to shed clothes to get one Jun 24 19:05:03 fiferboy, link? Jun 24 19:05:03 Texrat, meh Jun 24 19:05:09 i do it local to local already Jun 24 19:05:11 no meh! Jun 24 19:05:21 Texrat: http://andrew.olmsted.ca Jun 24 19:05:23 meaning for the rest of the world lcuk Jun 24 19:05:31 i have a use case that reuires it and will and determination to make it work well Jun 24 19:05:50 liq* would be awesome. Jun 24 19:05:52 nice fiferboy-- comes up fast, too! Jun 24 19:05:59 It's lightweight, and fast. Jun 24 19:06:16 SpeedEvil, it works as well today on my n8x0 as it ever did Jun 24 19:06:21 with all recent stuff Jun 24 19:06:27 lcuk: Exactly. Jun 24 19:06:31 :) Jun 24 19:06:41 I wish there was harmattan-on-n900 for devs Jun 24 19:07:01 problem would be the celluar stack probably Jun 24 19:07:01 open harmattan on meego you mena Jun 24 19:07:03 mean Jun 24 19:07:15 Stskeeps, cellular stack is ofono Jun 24 19:07:16 lcuk: I mean enabling use of the n900 as a n9 dev platform Jun 24 19:07:19 lcuk: er.. no Jun 24 19:07:30 lcuk: harmattan is CSD Jun 24 19:07:34 it really sucks the n950 is limited Jun 24 19:07:40 i have NO problem buying an eXoPC Jun 24 19:07:49 then buy one Jun 24 19:07:52 and I would buy an n950 in a millisecond to do dev if it were available. Jun 24 19:07:53 and develop on it Jun 24 19:07:58 lcuk: It's on my list. Jun 24 19:08:04 but what is the specific device thing? Jun 24 19:08:11 I am going to enjoy seeing my app on it Jun 24 19:08:14 it will work well Jun 24 19:08:31 for us, we're developing a new orbiter from scratch Jun 24 19:08:33 and seeing it on the device will be like drinkingfine wine. Jun 24 19:08:46 Texrat: I take it something like that is what you want for a project page? Jun 24 19:08:48 but my motivation does not start the day I get the device Jun 24 19:08:52 I work towards it now. Jun 24 19:08:56 and i need to do optimizations for the qml we are writing for the UI, Jun 24 19:09:08 lcuk: i am working wtih the devices i already have, in that regard. Jun 24 19:09:23 then those optimisations you make Jun 24 19:09:31 but i can only do so much in a simulator. Jun 24 19:09:35 will help make the wine be a little more vintage Jun 24 19:09:46 screw the simulator, you have hardware? Jun 24 19:09:55 for harmattan. Jun 24 19:09:57 SpeedEvil: if you want, drop in the SDK bits from harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool on top of a meego n900 Jun 24 19:09:59 fiferboy that is PERFECT Jun 24 19:10:01 SpeedEvil: it might actually work Jun 24 19:10:06 or is qt still so broken then you cannot dev properly Jun 24 19:10:06 I may showcase you as the example Jun 24 19:10:32 Texrat: :) Jun 24 19:10:52 also guys I am about to write another community blog post to consolidate questions and concerns, and update everyone Jun 24 19:10:53 fiferboy, remember the rare computers application. Jun 24 19:10:56 device-spotting Jun 24 19:10:58 ;) Jun 24 19:11:04 "n9" Jun 24 19:11:19 fiferboy can I have permission to use your screenshots for an article? Jun 24 19:11:28 would actually be great for meego meetups Jun 24 19:12:03 and what? is my project page minced meat? ... We actually have a codebase and a mature feature set going back almost a decade :P Jun 24 19:12:09 lol fiferboy I did not know you had a lexicon Jun 24 19:12:13 ;) Jun 24 19:12:23 in onedotzero identity application, we have word filtering Jun 24 19:12:43 and it would not let people type "iphone" because it has "ho" in the middle of it ;) Jun 24 19:12:53 Texrat: Sure thing, screenshots are fine Jun 24 19:13:24 thanks fiferboy Jun 24 19:13:30 lcuk: Yes, I should add in a few more applications that are on the back-burner Jun 24 19:13:53 fiferboy, I find it enough to just make placeholders Jun 24 19:13:59 then fill them in as things progress Jun 24 19:14:19 I like it when I tick off a huge bunch of things Jun 24 19:14:33 lcuk you're very iterative, like I am. Hallmark of the artist/inventor ;) Jun 24 19:14:56 Texrat, this stuff recently with pseudocode Jun 24 19:15:11 the writing connected directly with the parser I wrote years ago Jun 24 19:15:34 and have not peeked into for that long, I had to stop coding the language because I did not have an editor Jun 24 19:16:41 Ash phoned me before and suggested we sortout a Manchester community meetup in a few months Jun 24 19:25:42 lcuk: Added your idea under "future projects" :) Jun 24 19:28:53 * DocScrutinizer wonders which project page e.g. MohammadAG should use. He for sure has ported and packaged more for maemo than anybody else Jun 24 19:29:25 I nevertheless had a hard time to figure any particular project page that would represent that fact properly Jun 24 19:33:05 DocScrutinizer, I just used my latest app (sociality) and pointed to git and maemo.org Jun 24 19:33:13 actually MohammadAG would be the first I'd try to get involved and give him a device, hell even two. But still his contribution is most hard to sell in that form Jun 24 19:33:20 sadly, I don't find the Project name/url umm, descriptive enough Jun 24 19:33:47 did an update of my proposable new Mobile UX, with now working switcher layout : https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng Jun 24 19:33:50 I have lots planned for the N9 already, not exactly projects but stuff I'd like to have at launch as a consumer Jun 24 19:33:56 please test and give some feedback Jun 24 19:34:14 MohammadAG: like what stuff ? Jun 24 19:35:21 MohammadAG: You can go back and change your submission if you have a better project page to point to Jun 24 19:35:36 Under "Account" "Tracking" you'll find your device program application Jun 24 19:35:42 fiferboy, that's the point, I don't have names for my planned stuff Jun 24 19:36:01 yeah, I refresh that daily to check if there's a reply :p Jun 24 19:36:08 thanks for helping fiferboy Jun 24 19:36:13 MohammadAG: that's exactly the point, not everything is a project, not to talk about apps. Still the contribution is valuable and maybe not even clearly defined yet nevertheless Jun 24 19:36:25 TheBootroo, you'll find them under my git account if I get them out Jun 24 19:36:29 MohammadAG there are some issues with the process Jun 24 19:36:40 I think the focus on apps and project pages is a bit restrictive Jun 24 19:36:42 I am coordinating and can't even access the list of applications... Jun 24 19:37:07 DocScrutinizer I disagree re project page-- that's a no-brainer, but I can understand re apps Jun 24 19:37:37 people are being given a great opportunity here-- asking that you maintain a project page is a SMALL price Jun 24 19:38:23 DocScrutinizer, let me know if you want help with a page. Jun 24 19:38:27 the MeeGo community device program in *general* goes beyond apps, but Nokia has the right to restrict their offering Jun 24 19:38:33 Texrat, how's the reviewing going? Jun 24 19:38:34 thanks GAN900 Jun 24 19:38:48 GAN900 I have ZERO access currently to applications. NO reviewing yet Jun 24 19:38:54 Texrat: You'll note the web design credit on my page :) Jun 24 19:39:06 GAN900: I think it won't get better than "[announce] hostmode gui beta" tmo Jun 24 19:39:23 Texrat, problem is, stuff like this (releasing in 10 mins :P) http://i53.tinypic.com/2yoeb6a.jpg can't be called a project Jun 24 19:39:44 then MohammadAG, does it warrant a free or loaned device? Jun 24 19:39:53 Guys, think of this as a competition Jun 24 19:39:59 there are limited numbers of devices Jun 24 19:40:11 those who put serious work into their requests will stand out Jun 24 19:40:15 GAN900: before starting a N9(50) related project page for that, I first had to inspect the device if it's an issue at all, or maybe the N9 comes with proper hostmode ootb Jun 24 19:40:16 that's life, sorry Jun 24 19:40:56 I think expectations were set to unrealistic levels by N900 and Lenovo giveaways... Jun 24 19:41:05 Texrat, you want MohammadAG to have a device. ;) Jun 24 19:41:05 Texrat, no, it doesn't, but small stuff can make or break a device Jun 24 19:41:26 MohammadAG I agree, but... Jun 24 19:41:37 remember the contributions qwerty12 made? most were small applets, but I find most of them useful Jun 24 19:41:38 again, Nokia has the right to define their specific requirements Jun 24 19:42:07 I'm not the one to defend ot explain Nokia's details, though ;) Jun 24 19:42:10 or* Jun 24 19:42:12 Texrat, we're not particularly disagreeing. Jun 24 19:42:19 GAN900, some are Jun 24 19:42:27 I'm speakign broadly Jun 24 19:42:33 I'm not disagreeing with anything, just saying the project fields aren't precise :P Jun 24 19:42:35 Texrat: agree on the whole giveaway/expecting free stuff Jun 24 19:43:10 that's something that will eventually cause problems, like now Jun 24 19:43:16 look guys: if you want more device opportunities, then HELP ME lobby other manufacturers Jun 24 19:43:23 so far few are helping Jun 24 19:43:38 it isn't all about Nokia and handsets Jun 24 19:43:57 I think Steven Elop has made THAT clear... Jun 24 19:44:42 so instead of worrying about the few devices and restrictions Nokia demands, let's explaore other possibilities Jun 24 19:45:04 Asus will be delivering MeeGo products this year, for one Jun 24 19:45:12 handsets? Jun 24 19:45:16 so let's see a device champion step up for that Jun 24 19:45:22 no handsets Jun 24 19:45:43 I can't change the market, all I can do is help where I can Jun 24 19:45:50 GAN900: proofreading kernel modules/drivers, and document how they are best used (e.g. optimize compass by reducing backlight brightness to have less error in readings) is impossible to list in any form of project page. And I'm definitely not interested in any competition nor in boosting my profile by appearing on whatever list of included apps on N9 rollout. I just offered to help with technical stuff, wiki, mentoring, proofreading, Jun 24 19:45:51 picking up apps like H-E-N where I see due. Konttori suggested I should apply, while I thought it's nonsense as I don't meet the criteria. Competition on project page? No way Jun 24 19:45:54 not arguing there :p Jun 24 19:46:20 Texrat, but we don't care about anything else. :P Jun 24 19:46:24 DocScrutinizer youa re missing the point, but I'm not going to argue with you Jun 24 19:46:32 yeah yeah GAN900 Jun 24 19:47:17 DocScrutinizer, it's not about the competition so much Jun 24 19:47:30 Selling yourself doesn't hurt. Jun 24 19:47:36 GAN900 well it is in a sense as I noted earlier, but NOT specific to "project page" Jun 24 19:47:42 just did a big update on my MobileUX, added a bigger switcher : http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/870448Capture16.png Jun 24 19:47:52 again: 400 requests so far, 250 devices. the math is obvious Jun 24 19:49:04 GAN900: nobody pays a penny :-P If this were a job, or I felt like boosting my CV with it, OK. I offered to help, if not then not. I don't care. Ask Konttori Jun 24 19:49:06 Texrat: Is there a coordinating page - for example - 'I approached X, and got Y response' Jun 24 19:49:23 Speedevil again: I am workign on that sort of thing Jun 24 19:49:31 Ok - sorry - missed that. Jun 24 19:49:58 but you guys need to understand: this is volunteer for me, and I have had very little free time due to paying job Jun 24 19:50:00 Texrat, well, ultimately, I think past contributions should be weighted more than future promises. Jun 24 19:50:12 also, I'm not doing actual coding, just architecture/modeling/etc Jun 24 19:50:22 *I* agree GAN900 Jun 24 19:50:39 Is qgil playing the Nokia rep? Jun 24 19:50:46 yes GAN900 Jun 24 19:50:53 Pff, then why worry? Jun 24 19:50:57 and tbh, the approval process needs soem work Jun 24 19:51:07 GAN900 *I* am not worried ;) Jun 24 19:51:17 Yeah, speaking generally. :P Jun 24 19:51:39 there's a lot of anxiety about this, and I understand Jun 24 19:51:52 sry for my deconexion Jun 24 19:52:00 i'm on GPRS web access Jun 24 19:52:01 that's why on my first day off work in TWO WEEKS I am here today :D Jun 24 19:52:09 did you see my last msg ? Jun 24 19:52:19 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23222#post23222 Jun 24 19:52:33 Texrat, you're a sucker for punishment. Jun 24 19:52:42 always have been GAN900 Jun 24 19:52:50 but I am a doer, not a whiner ;) Jun 24 19:53:00 Texrat: well said Jun 24 19:53:50 thebootroo_ that's some nice UI work Jun 24 19:54:00 Texrat: i'm just like you, when something doesn't please me, i'm usually try to rewrite it my own way : if i sucess, i'm happy, if i not, i just have to shut up and use what i can Jun 24 19:54:15 Texrat: thx for compliment Jun 24 19:54:18 what a concept thebootroo_ ;) Jun 24 19:55:02 Texrat: do you know you can test it now ? on my gitorious, it doesn't need a particular environment ATM, run on Linux, WIndows, Maemo,even symbian.... Jun 24 19:55:10 i hope for feedback ;-) Jun 24 19:55:28 is meego's dev api based on c or c++? Jun 24 19:55:33 good to know thebootroo_ Jun 24 19:55:51 GAN900: H-E-N brought a much requested feature to N900, that's been declared impossible to deliver, by Nokia. I don't feel like adding any comment even to a the "project page" link to H-E-N tmo thread Jun 24 19:56:04 k4r1m: meego api is qt based so C++ Jun 24 19:56:32 thebootroo_: awesome thx Jun 24 19:56:48 C++ and qml Jun 24 19:57:36 DocScrutinizer : what is HEN ? Jun 24 19:57:55 hostmode-easy-now the USB hostmode enabler Jun 24 19:58:01 Texrat: https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng Jun 24 19:58:43 DocScrutinizer: u kiidin me ? this thing exist EASY ? Jun 24 19:58:54 eh? Jun 24 19:59:23 please rephrase Jun 24 19:59:39 i ask if the thing (hostmode) is really easy Jun 24 19:59:49 still needs power kernel Jun 24 20:00:04 it's easy now, compared to before when it was impossible according to Nokia Jun 24 20:00:13 ok Jun 24 20:00:18 it's not been easy to implement it Jun 24 20:00:33 i wonder why Jun 24 20:00:37 ^^ Jun 24 20:00:48 because Nokia fsckd up the hardware Jun 24 20:01:19 pardon my french, it's the truth Jun 24 20:01:48 why would i pardon your french ? i'm french too ... Jun 24 20:02:36 truth is that is rarely use this language on the web but i still understand it ;-) Jun 24 20:02:48 thebootroo_: in that case you possibly don't know the expression - "pardon my french" simply means "Please excuse my use of expletives" ;) Jun 24 20:02:59 they missed one simply little wirse to a chip pin that's buried and can't get reached to even fix with hot iron. So we had to invent a whole new method anti.chip-vendor how to make that happen Jun 24 20:03:01 hum ok Jun 24 20:03:06 well Jun 24 20:03:08 lol Jun 24 20:03:18 simple little wire* Jun 24 20:03:29 Aw - come on. Reading 14 different versions of 3000 page datasheets is fun! Jun 24 20:03:38 it has in itself become an expletive, describing just how much one means something which they use an expletive to create a stronger meaning of ;) Jun 24 20:03:39 sure ;-P Jun 24 20:03:53 true Jun 24 20:03:53 and easy to sell on a project page Jun 24 20:04:54 Persistent 'back' button Jun 24 20:04:54 This model leverages the simple main navigation of the Tab bar model, but it introduces a dedicated and persistent space for a Back button. Consequently, only four tabs are available. Jun 24 20:04:54 Always maintain the Back button behavior throughout the application experience to reinforce consistency and eliminate confusion. When Back is not available (i.e. in top level views), simply use its inactive state. Jun 24 20:05:05 * lcuk adores this guideline Jun 24 20:05:05 and sarcasm is so constructive, too! Jun 24 20:05:31 I'm not sure I see the point in all four edges swiping. Jun 24 20:05:47 lcuk: harmattan guidelines are really good IMHO Jun 24 20:05:54 speedevil especially with landsape mode so limited Jun 24 20:05:57 i agree thebootroo_ Jun 24 20:06:05 Texrat, yes it is. Jun 24 20:06:06 Are swipes from corners allowed for apps? Jun 24 20:06:14 i can see myself reading and advancing things based on them Jun 24 20:06:35 SpeedEvil: diagonally? no Jun 24 20:06:38 SpeedEvil, the swipe idea is nothing new of course Jun 24 20:06:41 Texrat: just need my idea of putting toolbar on the right in landscape instead of nesting it in titlebar Jun 24 20:06:43 just grab your n900 Jun 24 20:06:44 lcuk: Indeed. Jun 24 20:06:48 and swipe between home screens Jun 24 20:06:54 lcuk: yes, I know. :) Jun 24 20:07:24 just disappointed that configurability is limited in out-of-the-box N9 UX Jun 24 20:07:39 like what Texrat ? Jun 24 20:07:40 lcuk: Or grab my 1995? laptop, and bang off one edge of the screen and onto the next desktop Jun 24 20:07:43 i think i could adapt a little the harmattan guidelines Jun 24 20:07:47 ^^ Jun 24 20:07:54 i had some good ideas too Jun 24 20:07:55 like landscape support lcuk Jun 24 20:07:56 if i have allready installed qt creator and i can develop aps in QT, what do i need to install to develop aps for meego(emulator)? This is the list of packages for meego in my distro: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=meego&do_Search=Go Jun 24 20:08:15 DocScrutinizer, ShadowJK can you post your opinion/thoughts about http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038334&postcount=6 Jun 24 20:08:24 Texrat, one step forward, two back......... Jun 24 20:08:25 Texrat, swings and roundabouts Jun 24 20:08:35 yes GAN900 Jun 24 20:08:38 the portrait ambiguity of the n900 was not good Jun 24 20:08:48 I am pleased this has a good strong portrait stance Jun 24 20:08:49 but it's finally consumer-friendly! Jun 24 20:08:55 sorry, that was sarcasm too Jun 24 20:08:59 standing tall like other nokias :) Jun 24 20:09:06 or should i install QT on windows and just install harmattan Jun 24 20:09:07 We need IRC to support the sarc-mark. Jun 24 20:09:13 * Texrat thwacks lcuk Jun 24 20:09:16 er crap, wrong chan Jun 24 20:09:20 Elop is either evil or a fool Jun 24 20:09:32 Texrat, just hope a dock unit is possible Jun 24 20:09:33 leaning toward latter GAN900 Jun 24 20:09:42 Why would you even bother releasing this if youmre just going to chop it off at the knees. Jun 24 20:09:48 Or, as a stockholder, he believes strongly in the value of his shares. Jun 24 20:09:54 lcuk the usb is in odd spot to support docking Jun 24 20:10:06 Texrat, somebody was talking about it being MS's way of killing off MeeGo for good. Jun 24 20:10:08 Texrat: you - more or less - can't dock with microusb - at all Jun 24 20:10:08 GAN900: at least it exists. Jun 24 20:10:14 GAN900 like I said in my article Jun 24 20:10:22 Texrat, good, portrait dock was not possible wit n900 Jun 24 20:10:23 someone hired Elop, and its hard to believe those folks are surprised by what he's been doing Jun 24 20:10:34 TSCHAKeee, not released yet. . . . Jun 24 20:10:35 speedvil, I dock with usb, so...? Jun 24 20:10:36 Texrat: The connector requires too precise alignment - if you just slam it in a dock, it will break. Jun 24 20:10:40 my old fujitsu loox had a dock Jun 24 20:10:44 MohammadAG: post where? Jun 24 20:10:45 oh gotcha Jun 24 20:10:48 Texrat, oh, was that you? *g* Jun 24 20:11:00 well, I'll bet I could design a solution ;) Jun 24 20:11:01 Texrat, have you checked if it is through the hole Jun 24 20:11:09 that was for speedevil Jun 24 20:11:10 DocScrutinizer, tmo, link I posted, about the tap detection driver Jun 24 20:11:11 Texrat: It's a shame - say four gold buttons along the bottom - and it 'just works' Jun 24 20:11:23 lcuk the specs i saw said usb is thru hole Jun 24 20:11:27 Texrat: Oh - you can make a device that will reliably and safely insert a USB plug in the dock. Jun 24 20:11:33 right speedevil Jun 24 20:11:45 Texrat: It just adds maybe $10 to each dock. Jun 24 20:11:47 MohammadAG: ok Jun 24 20:11:50 speedevil I'll bet that can be solved for micrusb Jun 24 20:11:58 speedevil understood Jun 24 20:12:19 it's discussions like this that make me miss my old product designer days :D Jun 24 20:12:20 The 3310 dock connector was much, much better from that respect Jun 24 20:12:38 anyway the Atrix shows what should be done Jun 24 20:13:32 Looks slick, and yes. Jun 24 20:13:43 i think the solution would be a n950 like smartphone but with removable keyboard (just like a tiny Asus Eee Transformer) Jun 24 20:14:20 I've idly wondered about making a hack-n900. Jun 24 20:14:29 n900 base, portrait on a larger screen. Jun 24 20:15:17 MohammadAG: done Jun 24 20:18:56 hey dawnfoster Jun 24 20:19:06 hey texrat! Jun 24 20:19:10 is Mike Shaver available today, do you know? Jun 24 20:19:36 DawnFoster I have the day off work and am working on device program stuff... Jun 24 20:19:42 a LOT to do Jun 24 20:19:52 but no response from email to Mike Jun 24 20:19:53 He's been very helpful answering silly questions. Jun 24 20:20:02 ;) speedevil Jun 24 20:20:02 I think he's probably offline for lunch right now Jun 24 20:20:07 (he's not on im) Jun 24 20:20:11 but he should be around Jun 24 20:20:13 well I sent email earlier... Jun 24 20:20:27 How is Mike ? Jun 24 20:20:31 it would help if I had a phone number for both of you too :D Jun 24 20:20:44 Texrat: when can we get together to make decisions on devices? Jun 24 20:20:54 I want to get the first pass on exopcs done Jun 24 20:21:18 I want a N950 please to develop my meego qt projects Jun 24 20:21:27 please get me in Jun 24 20:21:30 DawnFoster that's a great question... I available today and this weekend, and after that it's spotty until July 4 weekend where I have 4 days off Jun 24 20:21:37 Texrat: you should also exchange im accounts with mike Jun 24 20:21:51 I can't do fourth of july weekend Jun 24 20:22:03 my main problem is my paying job Jun 24 20:22:16 maybe kick off an email with the 3 of us on the committee (us & brian) Jun 24 20:22:17 really been getting in the way lately Jun 24 20:22:20 dear santa claus, i've been a very kind boy all this year, as usually, so could i have the rox-the-world phone plz kthx ^^ Jun 24 20:22:28 and try to find a good time to meet Jun 24 20:23:14 DawnFoster FYI right now I am writing an update blog article for dev program to address questions Jun 24 20:23:25 cool Jun 24 20:23:34 my best times will be weekends plus late Mon thru Wed Jun 24 20:23:45 or should it be a Q&A on the wiki page? Jun 24 20:23:45 alhough I should make community office meeting Jun 24 20:23:53 awesome, thanks Jun 24 20:24:02 DawnFoster I will be addressign using both Jun 24 20:24:06 as well as forum Jun 24 20:24:20 AND my own blog, and AppUp... Jun 24 20:24:25 and twitter Jun 24 20:24:57 speaking of which, DawnFoster: I would really like to get that meego.com email address. Twitter account is another reason why Jun 24 20:26:10 I'm not sure that we need a twitter account for device program Jun 24 20:26:20 I'd rather use the main twitter account Jun 24 20:26:32 or reply to people from our individual accounts Jun 24 20:29:27 well, I'd like to see one but not a high priority. Still, a device program meego account has a great deal of value Jun 24 20:29:34 especially for contacting vendors Jun 24 20:29:44 I really don't like using my personal account Jun 24 20:48:15 DawnFoster I just did a quick and dirty update of your dev program page at http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Intel but you'll need to check it yourself Jun 24 20:55:27 Texrat: looks good, thanks! Jun 24 20:55:43 DawnFoster bottom half needs updating though Jun 24 20:55:53 I am creating Nokia page for Quim right now Jun 24 20:59:23 Texrat: done. I just removed all of that old crap at the bottom Jun 24 20:59:30 ;) Jun 24 21:00:17 Attention everyone: Nokia wiki page for community device program here: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia Jun 24 21:09:51 hey wazd_ Jun 24 21:33:40 DawnFoster, you still here? Jun 24 21:34:39 is ANYone still here? lol Jun 24 21:34:50 Texrat: Sure ;) Jun 24 21:34:57 hey X-Fade! Jun 24 21:35:00 I'm here too, but of very little use ;-) Jun 24 21:35:01 late for you isn't it? Jun 24 21:43:31 Texrat: o/ Jun 24 21:43:42 timoph \o Jun 24 22:02:43 timoph: Texrat: \o/ >--< \o/ Jun 24 22:02:59 oh sit down you Jun 24 22:03:17 * gabrbedd sits down Jun 24 22:03:35 Also here - but ... Jun 24 22:28:56 :) Jun 24 22:35:09 Stskeeps|holiday??? Jun 25 00:53:11 Hi! I've just installed harmattan SDK, but when I do meego-sb-session start, the xephir window starts fine, but it does not look well **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 25 02:59:57 2011