**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 27 02:59:57 2011 Jun 27 04:30:30 "As much as I love Windows Phone 7, it pales in comparison to MeeGo." -- Myriam "tnkgrl" Joire, about 56 minutes into Engadget Mobile podcast: http://mobile.engadget.com/2011/06/25/engadget-mobile-podcast-093-06-25-2011/ Jun 27 04:32:32 texrat FTW, donor 11 to the Ada Initiative: http://adainitiative.org/sponsors-and-supporters/seed-100-funders/ Jun 27 04:32:46 Take comfort where you can find it, everyone. Jun 27 05:16:53 Alison_Chaiken: texrat =! Mike Shaver. easy mistake though, with IRC names :) Jun 27 05:17:25 problem during zypper install meego-simulator-launcher-tablet http://pastebin.com/r9YREA9F Jun 27 05:18:32 bkalinga: what kind of hardware are you running Jun 27 05:18:55 i dont have any hardware Jun 27 05:19:06 you're running something Jun 27 05:19:11 is it a VM? Jun 27 05:19:36 i just took meego-tablet-ia32-mfld-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.82.ks file created the image .img Jun 27 05:19:46 and trying to chroot to it Jun 27 05:19:56 mfld is specific hardware Jun 27 05:20:05 are you sure you want that image? Jun 27 05:20:27 perhaps you need to download a more generic image, like the pinetrail one Jun 27 05:20:41 i am not sure whether i need to use this or not Jun 27 05:20:59 what system are you doing the chroot/build on? Jun 27 05:21:00 i want some tablet related .ks file Jun 27 05:21:13 Ubuntu 10.04 is my host Jun 27 05:21:20 on what type of system? Jun 27 05:21:37 hardware wise? Jun 27 05:22:18 don't have any hardware but i am trying to build for tablet now Jun 27 05:22:34 um Jun 27 05:22:37 so i want to Xephyr now for emulation purpose Jun 27 05:22:53 what CPU are you going to emulate in Xephyr? Jun 27 05:23:13 ARM? sparc? Jun 27 05:23:20 ARM Jun 27 05:24:09 there are no ARM kickstart files yet, nor are there ARM images out yet Jun 27 05:24:25 you downloaded an 'MFLD' image Jun 27 05:24:30 do you know what that is? Jun 27 05:25:23 i dont know what is exactly MFLD is but i want to have a chroot environment Jun 27 05:25:46 what is the CPU type of the system where you are setting up "a chroot environment"? Jun 27 05:27:14 sofar: i am not getting what are you asking Jun 27 05:27:38 see i downloaded MeeGo SDK 1.2 and used QEMU Jun 27 05:28:03 just type `grep model\ name /proc/cpuinfo` Jun 27 05:28:05 that is very slow and MeeGo1.2 SDK missed some development lib and headers Jun 27 05:28:25 really, my question is really simple Jun 27 05:28:27 so i though of creating my own image and chroot to it Jun 27 05:28:37 what is the CPU type of the system where you are setting up "a chroot environment"? Jun 27 05:28:41 like Jun 27 05:28:44 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU W3505 @ 2.53GHz Jun 27 05:28:44 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU W3505 @ 2.53GHz Jun 27 05:28:48 atom? core2? amd? Jun 27 05:28:53 there, see, not so hard? Jun 27 05:28:58 core2 Jun 27 05:29:02 you have a generic x86 cpu Jun 27 05:29:09 correct Jun 27 05:29:09 you need to use the pinetrail kickstart/images Jun 27 05:29:19 use the stuff from here: Jun 27 05:29:21 http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.2.0.90.5.20110624.86/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ Jun 27 05:29:28 notice that it says "pinetrail" Jun 27 05:29:55 or, you can get the pinetrail sdk images instead Jun 27 05:30:05 ok thanks and coming your question what is missing in MeeGo1.2 Jun 27 05:30:30 default sdk images does not have some library which is needed Jun 27 05:30:40 for development activity Jun 27 05:30:42 which library is missing? Jun 27 05:31:11 X related libX-dev something like this Jun 27 05:31:30 but there is no way to update once you downloaded your SDK Jun 27 05:31:54 i took MeeGo1.2 SDK (tablet ) Jun 27 05:32:12 and git clone of meegotouch-keyboard Jun 27 05:32:32 then try to compile using meego-sdk-qtcreator Jun 27 05:32:44 sounds like it would be worth a bugreport on bugs.meego.com Jun 27 05:33:01 now it complains lib-X-dev is not there Jun 27 05:33:35 so from this how a developer would include this dependency in the SDK? Jun 27 05:34:53 I think its not worth to include everything that is why by default MeeGo SDK does not include everything.. Jun 27 05:34:58 unfortunately I'm not aware of how the SDK works, sorry Jun 27 05:35:27 sofar: One more question ..My host system is having Nvidia Graphics card Jun 27 05:35:57 can i use this Chrooted way of development activity using Xephyr? Jun 27 05:36:29 you can, but you may run into issues actually using the software in graphics mode Jun 27 05:37:22 what do you mean by software in graphics mode Jun 27 05:37:55 sofar: all are suggesting don't take binaries from http://download.meego.com/ better take from repo.meego.com Jun 27 05:38:00 exactly what I said. I'm sorry if you do not understand. Jun 27 05:38:54 bkalinga: shrug, the language barrier is not helping us. Jun 27 05:40:05 sofar: still i got a lot of info and help from you Jun 27 06:10:36 sofar: i got it now by "but you may run into issues actually using the software in graphics mode" you meant "Software-based graphics acceleration" that time Jun 27 07:17:11 i chrooted to this image after downloading it http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.5.20110621.5/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.5.20110621.5.img Jun 27 07:17:20 and installed qt-creator Jun 27 07:17:43 but i don't see any Qt Verions by default Jun 27 07:18:11 also don't see any qmake available in the chroot file system Jun 27 07:18:23 can someone please point out what is missing Jun 27 07:21:12 maybe it doesn't have the compiler & qt devel installed? Jun 27 07:28:47 i installed qt devel Jun 27 07:29:21 and qt-qmake Jun 27 07:30:07 but i see auto detected Qt in PATH /usr/bin/qmake Jun 27 07:30:29 below i see Qt version is not properly installed Jun 27 07:30:39 please run make install Jun 27 07:30:57 vvaltone: any pointer what is missing Jun 27 07:31:41 why by default these stuffs are not there Jun 27 07:32:25 vvaltone: any idea where i need to run this make install(for whom) Jun 27 07:32:40 morning Jun 27 07:32:41 I think it means the qt source tree Jun 27 07:33:21 I have compiled stuff in the chroot but not recently Jun 27 07:37:07 why to compile ..if we can install it using zypper Jun 27 07:37:57 no, it probably means you need some package installed Jun 27 07:38:31 valtone: do i need to installed anything other than qt devel Jun 27 07:38:31 and qt-qmake Jun 27 07:45:31 QtCore will be part of which package? Jun 27 07:57:55 Hello. Is build.meego.com not building packages for anyone else today? Jun 27 07:58:17 I've committed change to my package with osc, but the build won't start. Jun 27 08:00:25 ^ Jun 27 08:01:22 siovene: well I remember someone shutting down arm builds for a while Jun 27 08:01:25 or something like that Jun 27 08:04:05 morning Jun 27 08:04:28 hiemanshu: I get that for all targets. Jun 27 08:04:58 My build logs are still the same as the previous commit I did, on Jun 23th. Jun 27 08:05:02 siovene: then I am unsure what is wrong Jun 27 08:06:22 Here's the project page, if it helps anyone: http://goo.gl/4Cp5w Jun 27 08:08:59 Even clicking "trigger rebuild" won't do it. Jun 27 08:09:37 hi Jun 27 08:09:54 I'm not getting mail from Meego lists since yesteday; is this possible? Jun 27 08:10:36 niqt: me too. Jun 27 08:11:07 The last email I got was on meego-commits on Saturday. Jun 27 08:11:23 Nothing yesterday or today. Jun 27 08:12:10 it' stange Jun 27 08:12:22 strange Jun 27 08:54:41 can i safely deletes all file in my /usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/cache/ ? Jun 27 08:55:06 is there any good pdf/djvu viewer for meego? Jun 27 09:06:19 RhymeswA MohammadAG berndhs cosmohill hiemanshu DawnFoster pixelgeek - little lcuk says "w000t" Jun 27 09:06:46 lcuk: pics :D Jun 27 09:07:49 hiemanshu, easy! Jun 27 09:07:51 Hello World! http://liqbase.net/20110627_012.jpg http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/85258093692325889 Jun 27 09:08:17 lcuk: awwww, so cute :) Jun 27 09:08:57 teaching programming yet? Jun 27 09:09:26 vvaltone, me and luke had him sat on a bmx earlier Jun 27 09:09:38 but his training will have to wait until his feet can reach the peddles Jun 27 09:10:53 lcuk: Congrats to you and your good lady! :) Jun 27 09:11:13 :) Jun 27 09:26:56 hi, who is responsible for creating the build system accounts? (I would ask on the dev channel, but I guess it's invite only) Jun 27 09:27:29 omcfadde: Core OBS? Jun 27 09:27:37 yes Jun 27 09:28:11 omcfadde: Then you need to file a bug, requesting an account. Explaining what you are planning to do with it. Jun 27 09:28:44 X-Fade: I have done this, but perhaps the response time is longer than a few days Jun 27 09:29:17 blah... I should not have consumed this energy drink... guess I'll watch another video from the recent MeeGo conference Jun 27 09:29:54 omcfadde: Maybe ping them again then? Jun 27 09:30:07 I bumped the bug just a few mins ago Jun 27 09:30:40 but tbh I don't think anyone is monitoring those bugs. Jun 27 09:32:09 btw, is the dev channel masked on an nat/intel hostmask? I'm ssh'ed to my server then to my laptop at home :p Jun 27 09:32:33 I received: [freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #meego-dev (You are banned) Jun 27 09:32:36 omcfadde: I'm showing up as banned too Jun 27 09:32:51 (just tried joining) Jun 27 09:33:13 Do i need to explicitly link my binary to libQtServiceFramework even after giving CONFIG += mobility MOBILITY = serviceframework in my .pro file? Jun 27 09:33:15 SpeedEvil, that's just cause your not special Jun 27 09:33:16 yeah. my guess is you either have to be coming from an intel ip range, or be on an explicit allow list Jun 27 09:33:33 or both, just to be evil Jun 27 09:34:03 No Jun 27 09:34:16 #meego-dev was shut down Jun 27 09:34:25 Termana: Error: "meego-dev" is not a valid command. Jun 27 09:34:26 morning Jun 27 09:35:20 Termana: oh, nice of them to update the wiki Jun 27 09:35:40 (I won't update it, because I'm out of the loop on this issue) Jun 27 09:35:49 omcfadde, they did Jun 27 09:35:50 http://wiki.meego.com/Community_communication#MeeGo_IRC_Channels Jun 27 09:35:50 hey, I'm trying to register a meego OBS account, but fail. Docs on http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers#How_to_get_started seem outdated, the 3rd step just gets me to a password prompt. Any hints? Jun 27 09:36:07 omcfadde, what page did they not update? Jun 27 09:36:19 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers Jun 27 09:36:30 "If you need help, you can join #meego or #meego-dev on irc.freenode.net . See also this page about all MeeGo IRC channels. " Jun 27 09:37:08 bbl, some long long meeting. Jun 27 09:59:03 X-Fade, lbt: would one of you open my account ("sebas") for the community build service? I'm a KDE Plasma hacker Jun 27 10:02:05 sebas: done Jun 27 10:03:25 lbt: thanks a lot! Jun 27 10:15:25 lcuk: congrats btw Jun 27 10:15:49 congrats lcuk Jun 27 10:15:55 gn to all Jun 27 10:20:26 lcuk gratz and... do you have big enough coffeecups? :D Jun 27 10:54:29 pebcak, no, why? Jun 27 10:54:37 lardman, \o jayne Jun 27 10:54:51 jay_bee even Jun 27 11:03:47 aww cute, bug 18357 has new terminology entering the lexicon Jun 27 11:03:50 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18357 nor, Undecided, ---, ziv.chang, NEW, [CE] Wrong picture displayed in photoviewer after rotating from portrait to landscape. Jun 27 11:07:02 hey lcuk Jun 27 11:12:04 lardman, \o Jun 27 11:12:22 lardman, with the n9 having the fastest camera on any device Jun 27 11:12:38 I see from Facebook that congrats are in order? Jun 27 11:12:40 wouldn't it be nice to have a great barcode scanning plugin ! Jun 27 11:12:42 yes Jun 27 11:12:47 tracy did well! Jun 27 11:12:48 lcuk: indeed it would Jun 27 11:12:58 pass on our best wishes to her please :) Jun 27 11:13:07 * lcuk stood around and wiped her brow Jun 27 11:13:17 I will, tis peaceful this morning Jun 27 11:13:35 lcuk: I'm planning to pull out the decode part, and then let people use that alone, or with a camera/video wrapper Jun 27 11:13:54 then wrap the whole thing in a Qt Quick GUI Jun 27 11:14:05 sounds reasonable Jun 27 11:14:41 lardman, if you had desktop spec processing and a fast high resolution video camera Jun 27 11:15:00 could you do barcode scanning of a whole conveyor belt? Jun 27 11:15:15 all at once? Jun 27 11:15:26 well some will be yeah Jun 27 11:15:37 perhaps, high res means more pixels to crunch, but sure it would be doable Jun 27 11:15:38 but assume orientation of the codes is towards the camera Jun 27 11:16:18 i am more interested in the continuous stream of code, and more specifically their location rather than indepth contents Jun 27 11:16:19 if you can lower the res to a level where you know you have sufficient pixels for a barcode at the known range, then that would make life easier for the CPU Jun 27 11:16:27 yeah of course Jun 27 11:16:47 Some of the decoders offer location, not sure the ones I'm using do atm Jun 27 11:17:12 yeah since 2d barcodes and AR are related fields Jun 27 11:17:25 http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Nokia+CEO+Stephen+Elop+rules+out+possible+comeback+of+MeeGo/1135267179932 Jun 27 11:17:28 is that true? Jun 27 11:17:37 but I'm thinking quite seriuously of trying out the ZXing C++ port Jun 27 11:18:01 were barcodes around when we had ZX spectrums? Jun 27 11:18:04 guys, any one know about feature of meego? Jun 27 11:18:20 cojack, meego is not specifially tied to any one company Jun 27 11:18:21 lcuk: only with dedicated hw scanners Jun 27 11:19:55 lcuk: but nokia which intel have provide them Jun 27 11:22:42 if nokia wont any more implement meego in self phones, meego is dead right now :( Jun 27 11:23:11 cojack: what makes you think so? MeeGo doesn't need Nokia. Jun 27 11:25:26 N9 isn't really MeeGo anyway Jun 27 11:25:35 who else will implement meego in his phone? Jun 27 11:26:00 there's tablets coming Jun 27 11:26:17 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/acer-unveils-meego-tablet-running-on-intel-atom-cpu/ Jun 27 11:26:25 tablets... dude Im poor :D Jun 27 11:26:30 hahaha :P Jun 27 11:28:00 others can make phones too Jun 27 11:29:21 I had hope that meego will have a great future, I gues android will die because patents breaker by google, and meego will take his place, but it didn't happend any more ;( Jun 27 11:29:22 Considering what's been said about N9, wouldn't be surprised Jun 27 11:29:32 * cojack stupid ideologic Jun 27 11:29:55 just stop selling android phones in the us Jun 27 11:30:23 and lost half costumers ? Jun 27 11:30:46 us is quite small Jun 27 11:31:16 more potential for growth in Europe and Asia Jun 27 11:33:53 lcuk I needed bigger coffeecups after my son was born... Jun 27 11:34:04 by now I have 800ml coffeecups, he is 10 ;) Jun 27 11:39:15 pebcak, lol Jun 27 13:05:52 has anyone tried installing meego on N8.??? Jun 27 13:06:06 not possible, ktxnext Jun 27 13:06:11 :) Jun 27 13:06:41 rockworldmi, N900 is only Nokia phone where you can run MeeGo Jun 27 13:06:52 k... Jun 27 13:08:16 iekku: have you tried porting it on any other mobile than N900 or aava. Jun 27 13:08:51 rockworldmi, no Jun 27 13:09:01 dm8tbr, Only a question of someone really wanting to do that ;P Jun 27 13:09:05 and having too much time Jun 27 13:09:07 rockworldmi: there will be most likely a community edition for the N9 and N950 Jun 27 13:09:28 dm8tbr, but those aren't available yet Jun 27 13:09:51 vvaltone: I have no idea about the N8, but if it uses HS silicon like the N900 or N9 then you're screwed Jun 27 13:10:03 (almost said onsale, but N950 isn't going to be...) Jun 27 13:10:05 oh, right, the encryption keys Jun 27 13:10:08 iekku: correct, hence implied future tense Jun 27 13:10:08 kernel? Jun 27 13:11:15 dm8tbr, i think if it were doable, someone had done it already Jun 27 13:11:19 rockworldmi: Other phones (including N8) are locked down and would need to be jailbreaked to start with. Jun 27 13:11:31 iekku: *nod* Jun 27 13:11:32 rockworldmi: There appears to be very little interest from anyone to do so. Jun 27 13:11:44 the N8 is not an ARMv7 Jun 27 13:11:51 we haven't got an ARMv6 build Jun 27 13:11:58 there is a whole community in India who are interested in it Jun 27 13:12:02 :) Jun 27 13:12:22 start by rebuilding everything and by installing something on that device Jun 27 13:12:22 thiago hmm Jun 27 13:12:26 there was an ARMv5 build, though, which might be resurrectable Jun 27 13:12:59 what was the armv5 build for.. Jun 27 13:13:07 noting Jun 27 13:13:09 nothing Jun 27 13:13:13 we didn't use it for anything Jun 27 13:13:22 carsten was playing around with it IIRC Jun 27 13:13:22 it was considered a minimum baseline, at the time Jun 27 13:13:29 and was used for things like N8x0 Jun 27 13:13:39 "used" as in experimentation with, I should say Jun 27 13:13:46 it never really went far Jun 27 13:13:55 isn't N8x0 armv6.. Jun 27 13:14:14 I doubt that influenced the choice Jun 27 13:14:26 like I said, I think at the time that it was just considered a sensible baseline Jun 27 13:14:59 yes, it is ARMv6 Jun 27 13:18:05 k Jun 27 13:23:55 Is there something non-trivial about making ARMv6 build? Jun 27 13:24:22 no Jun 27 13:24:23 One would expect that to be about changing a compile flag and possibly altering boot loader code... Jun 27 13:24:29 just requires time and processing power Jun 27 13:25:22 Then of course there is the matter of actually supporting the hardware that N8 has. Jun 27 13:25:35 Display, audio, camera, etc. Jun 27 13:26:17 hmmm:tronic Jun 27 13:26:23 I'm using MeeGo 1.2 netbook and it keeps losing my facebook chat settings. Can I fix this somehow? Jun 27 13:27:14 rockworldmi: So, to summarize, I'll quote dm8tbr: 16:03 < dm8tbr> not possible, ktxnext Jun 27 13:30:54 tr Jun 27 13:30:57 thanks Jun 27 13:39:31 where does empathy store its connection settings? Jun 27 13:48:00 ok, found where empathy stores account settings: .mission-control/accounts but it doesn't save the facebook chat there. must be written somewhere? Jun 27 13:51:02 I am a noob plz educate me on all this.or provide references Jun 27 14:10:32 rockworldmi: educate you on what? Jun 27 14:10:56 ARM,jailbreaks..etc.. Jun 27 14:11:14 gabrbedd, why we haven't ported to the N8 basically Jun 27 14:14:04 rockworldmi: Sorry, I can't help with that. (I live in x86 world) Jun 27 14:49:02 lcuk: Love the name! Jun 27 14:54:15 hey, i wonder is there a AI or inkscape toolkit also for meego ux? Jun 27 14:54:40 i found the one from nokia qt components which helps a lot for simply tryinging out ui designs Jun 27 14:58:59 lcuk: fiferboy: what's the name? Jun 27 15:00:23 gabrbedd: Looks like "Finn", although I don't know the long form Jun 27 15:00:35 My oldest son is named Finn, short for Finnian Jun 27 15:01:07 Finlay Jun 27 15:10:54 * timoph is in control Jun 27 15:11:43 Do people with QML experience here prefer using the deisgn view or making the interface programatically? Jun 27 15:11:53 (experimenting writing Qt/qml app without actually writing any QML files) Jun 27 15:12:01 Because I just can't get the hang of creating a QML interface with the design view Jun 27 15:12:18 fiferboy: I don't like the designer either ;) Jun 27 15:12:31 I tried the designer but ended up just writing the stuff myself Jun 27 15:12:34 But then, I don't like designers at all anyway. Jun 27 15:12:45 * timoph nods Jun 27 15:13:03 I found the QWidget designer to be ok for most stuff, but still did some programatic layout anyway Jun 27 15:13:17 alterego: I will give writing it a chance Jun 27 15:13:26 I am about to give up on that designer anyway Jun 27 15:13:57 it's not really that intuitive to use Jun 27 15:14:40 fiferboy: I found the design view broke very quickly Jun 27 15:15:00 Ok, I'm glad it's not just me then :) Jun 27 15:15:43 thiago: some feedback to the Qt creator guys ^ Jun 27 15:19:22 This is a bit of a pain in the ass, I wonder when we find out about whether we have or have not been accepted for the N950 DDP Jun 27 15:19:44 And if not, there are two days from tomorrows deadline to the 31st which is the Nokia Developer deadline. Jun 27 15:19:57 dunno. the deadline is tomorrow so hopefully soon after that Jun 27 15:20:27 Doesn't give us much of a chance to try our luck with the Nokia Developer site if we're rejected. Jun 27 15:20:32 yep Jun 27 15:20:55 alterego: Is the Nokia Developer site taking applications for people with "individual" accounts? Jun 27 15:21:06 fiferboy: should do. Jun 27 15:21:10 It wasn't when I looked right after the announcement on swipe.nokia.com Jun 27 15:21:33 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo Jun 27 15:21:38 so you need to be a proven commercial dev there? Jun 27 15:21:43 Nope Jun 27 15:21:47 Doesn't read that way to me. Jun 27 15:21:53 * timoph checks Jun 27 15:22:14 "qualifying Nokia Developer Launchpad members who have published apps to Ovi Store, or have started to develop their apps using Qt" Jun 27 15:23:06 alterego: Ah, you have to email a request. I was trying on my developer.nokia.com account Jun 27 15:23:41 alterego: I've emailed both. Jun 27 15:23:48 alterego: Or rather, gone through both. Jun 27 15:23:50 Jaffa: oh, okay. Jun 27 15:23:58 * alterego considers doing the same. Jun 27 15:24:03 alterego: As you pointed out, the meego.com DDP is going to end up at Nokia Developer anyway Jun 27 15:24:12 Yeah Jun 27 15:24:17 alterego: And I think folks like Ronan are involved in both aspects. Jun 27 15:24:22 Well, the review process isn't handled by Nokia Developer though Jun 27 15:24:41 Yeah, you cannot apply through the "Developer Launchpad homepage (for member individuals only)" Jun 27 15:24:44 So the community 250 devices are reviewed by Quim et al. Then we get given a code to use on the site. Jun 27 15:24:48 You'll have to go the email route Jun 27 15:26:16 alterego: The developer.nokia.com deadline is JULY 31, lots of time still :) Jun 27 15:26:22 :) Jun 27 15:26:42 fiferboy: but not if you're waiting for confirmation through the MeeGo.com DDP ;) Jun 27 15:27:11 alterego: There is over a month between the two deadlines Jun 27 15:27:48 Oh, wait, you're right :D Jun 27 15:27:57 Sorry, I was reading July and was thinking June :P Jun 27 15:28:03 "Don't panic" Jun 27 15:28:06 * alterego will wait patiently then :D Jun 27 15:29:11 Is there anyway to develop for NFC stuff on the N950 ? Jun 27 15:29:23 slaine: presumably the stuff is there, it just wont work :) Jun 27 15:29:30 So no, if you plan on testing it. Jun 27 15:29:38 slaine: Develop? Yes. Test? No ;-) Jun 27 15:29:45 What alterego said. Jun 27 15:29:49 I'll wait patiently AFTER the DDP announcements Jun 27 15:29:54 That's the thing, I guess you'd need an actual N9 to deploy on Jun 27 15:29:57 this way they make you also buy the n9 Jun 27 15:29:57 Until then I am going crazy Jun 27 15:30:19 I wonder how well cross-platform QMLey stuff with NFC will work. Wife's C7 + an N9 + loads of the stickers Jun 27 15:30:22 timoph: Quim already stated that the N950 DDP lucky people could trade it for an N9 on release. Jun 27 15:30:41 The C7 has NFC? Jun 27 15:30:47 alterego: I believe so. Jun 27 15:30:51 timoph: "also"? you're not obliged to get N950 ;-) Jun 27 15:30:53 alterego: oh. I Missed that but most likely won't do that if I get the n950 Jun 27 15:31:17 alterego: http://www.nearfieldcommunicationsworld.com/2010/10/11/34643/nokia-c7-to-support-nfc/ Jun 27 15:31:19 timoph: well, I'm still undecided, the fact is the N950 will get no support and probably will be quite behind updates. Jun 27 15:31:42 alterego: my plan is to buy the n9 in any case Jun 27 15:31:47 At least with an N9, even without warranty, you'll get slightly better support. Jun 27 15:31:50 alterego: As I remembered, Angry Birds Magic is on the C7 http://www.nfcrumors.com/05-30-2011/nokia-c7-nfc-angry-birds-magic/ Jun 27 15:31:54 timoph: mine to, if I have to :)~ Jun 27 15:32:00 :) Jun 27 15:32:11 Jaffa: sweet, wish I'd asked for a C7 instead of an N8 now :P Jun 27 15:32:17 Or maybe I should have asked for both .. Jun 27 15:36:45 Interesting, quim said there were roughly 3x the 250 devices currently registered :D Jun 27 15:36:54 So currently 1/3 chance :P Jun 27 15:37:16 alterego: I think the average chance for someone who read that is higher ;-) Jun 27 15:37:31 Hahah Jun 27 15:37:35 Yeah, you're probably right. Jun 27 15:38:03 I don't know whether to be impressed with that estimate of applicants or let down by the lack of interest ;) Jun 27 15:38:21 * CosmoHill shakes his fist and people who join, say something and leave because nobody replied within 23 seconds Jun 27 15:38:24 Actually ~750 is a lot I guess, especially as the whole point is FOSS .. Jun 27 15:38:27 at* Jun 27 15:38:48 alterego: Most of them will be "I can haz toi, plz?!11! kthxbai" Jun 27 15:38:49 A lot of people probably haven't bothered signing up though, thinking they wouldn't get one anyway Jun 27 15:38:57 * slaine being one of them Jun 27 15:39:12 Jaffa: I'm sure they'll word it a little better "I can hav toy and test for bugz?" Jun 27 15:39:16 * alterego chuckles Jun 27 15:39:18 CosmoHill: you're too slow :p Jun 27 15:39:25 slaine: Given the comments on Engadget about "sign up here to get one", I suspect you've got a better chance than them... Jun 27 15:39:33 rofl Jun 27 15:39:38 Probably Jun 27 15:39:42 hahaha Jun 27 15:39:53 * w00t applied, anyway Jun 27 15:40:00 * SpeedEvil applied. Jun 27 15:40:01 I made a point of not openly publicising the DDP on twitter or facebook :P Jun 27 15:40:15 Though I'm unsure how well I'll fare as my slant is more platform than app dev Jun 27 15:40:23 I have no plans to apply, I dont want a developer device Jun 27 15:40:32 * jonwil is quite happy with his N900 Jun 27 15:40:34 SpeedEvil: that's mine, too Jun 27 15:40:37 SpeedEvil: mine is both, but as of late it has been more platform/app-dev Jun 27 15:40:41 * SpeedEvil applies for jonwil. Jun 27 15:40:43 I guess dialer is platform imo Jun 27 15:40:54 And dialer is also quite useless on an N9/50 Jun 27 15:41:08 alterego: why? Jun 27 15:41:21 But Columbus, this gives me a new reason to update the entire UX to run on N9/50/00 Maemo5/HArmattan & MeeGo :) Jun 27 15:41:30 alterego: Columbus is cool Jun 27 15:41:52 w00t: because the N9 already has a dialer, and it's not ofono based :P Jun 27 15:42:00 s/N9/Harmattan Jun 27 15:42:05 well, I also don't plan to leave harmattan on there too long Jun 27 15:42:16 I'm getting the impression that much 'interesting' stuff will difficult, depending on how aegis is configured and implemented, and how the nokia process for approving apps works in practice. Jun 27 15:42:17 w00t: I wouldn't advertise that ;) Jun 27 15:42:27 alterego: I said pretty much exactly that in my application Jun 27 15:42:32 whether or not that affects my chances, I don't care Jun 27 15:42:38 w00t: yeah, I pretty much did as well. Jun 27 15:42:41 I want to get stock, open source MeeGo on there Jun 27 15:43:07 tbh, I will use the N950 to develop Columbus to be proper cross-platform. But once that is done, the N9 is out, I'll get an N9, use HArmattan on that and use the N950 for MeeGo CE Jun 27 15:43:18 w00t: That would be good for MeeGo and the N9/50, but whether the DDP people feel that... Jun 27 15:43:19 I love harmattan a lot, but having code I can poke at means a lot more to me than the UI Jun 27 15:43:26 * rzr is facing keyring issue can you help : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23699#post23699 Jun 27 15:44:10 fiferboy: I don't really see them as conflicting aims, but we'll see, anyway Jun 27 15:44:17 Luckily, the N900 has given us a headstart at getting MeeGo on the N9/50, so now, effectively, we have another year until users start complaining about lack of support and "Where's MeeGo officiall support version blah blah" Jun 27 15:44:22 I think we can do a lot in the next year .. Jun 27 15:44:33 'a year' ? Jun 27 15:44:48 I thought there were claims n9 was launching in sep. Jun 27 15:44:51 SpeedEvil: a year until N9/50 users start whining about lack of MEeGo Jun 27 15:44:52 In certain places Jun 27 15:45:04 Oh Jun 27 15:45:08 SpeedEvil: yes, I'm talking about a year after it's released when Nokia drop it :P Jun 27 15:45:48 w00t: I don't either - I think it would be great for everybody involved Jun 27 15:45:51 maybe Engadget could fund further N9 development - they (finally) seem to genuinely like something coming out of Nokia for once :D Jun 27 15:46:03 snowpong: I know, I'm amazed :P Jun 27 15:46:04 w00t: But I get the feeling they they want Harmattan furthered by this program Jun 27 15:46:08 Hahah, Engadget fund something? Jun 27 15:46:13 =D Jun 27 15:46:25 perhaps Nokia will spin off the N9 software development group Jun 27 15:46:29 * berndhs ducks Jun 27 15:46:42 berndhs: you mean give them the sack? Jun 27 15:47:01 a sack of potatoes? Jun 27 15:47:03 sell them into slavery as a unit :P Jun 27 15:49:13 teeheehee Jun 27 15:49:16 look at the slides from feb11. The unit will be kept, at a reduced capacity. Jun 27 15:49:42 A unit around Qt mostly I imagine. Jun 27 15:49:48 And possibly Linux, but not MeeGo .. Jun 27 15:49:51 no, separate Jun 27 15:49:58 Qt is in a different unit already Jun 27 15:50:41 has always been. The Qt dev team was never part of MeeGo. Jun 27 15:51:02 Maybe @selop was saying no more MeeGo to make people think there will be no more MeeGo so more people will look "forward" to MS Windows Phone Jun 27 15:51:43 maybe I should apply for a 950,... Jun 27 15:52:00 Or maybe, Windows Phone 8 is MeeGo compliant! Jun 27 15:52:42 sure, for fairly small values of compliant, why not Jun 27 15:52:52 Stick Qt on it Jun 27 15:52:53 There you go Jun 27 15:52:56 * alterego chuckles Jun 27 15:55:11 I heard Qt was being ported to Windows Phone Jun 27 15:55:17 Maybe that is the "next billion" Jun 27 15:55:35 what about qt support on wince6- ? Jun 27 15:56:12 rzr: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.4/install-wince.html ? Jun 27 15:56:25 or 4.7 Jun 27 15:56:40 but yeah, it's been supported since 4.4 Jun 27 15:56:58 only 5.0 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/install-wince.html Jun 27 15:57:02 not 6 Jun 27 15:57:09 ce6 too Jun 27 15:57:15 really ? Jun 27 16:06:32 fiferboy: thanks Jun 27 16:10:39 hmmh. are meego mailing lists broken? no new mails in 2 days Jun 27 16:11:43 yeah, there seems to a problem with that and someone reported something about OBS as well Jun 27 16:12:10 timoph, yeah, I am also waiting for some of my usual rants to pop up... ;-) Jun 27 16:12:57 andre__: good that someone brings those issues up. cheers for doing that Jun 27 16:13:19 on the other hand, if they stay broken for a few more days I can finally simply change/fix everything I want, as per my default "silence means compliance" footer :-D Jun 27 16:13:39 :D Jun 27 16:14:04 timoph: heh, you're welcome. I hope I am / can stay constructive. see my latest blogpost on planet meego for a summary so far... Jun 27 16:14:34 the weather today is +40 scorchio Jun 27 16:14:42 Interesting results: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/26/nokia-n9-are-you-buying-one/ Jun 27 16:15:08 22.0% say yes, 42% say they're to involved in their current platforms/oses/ecosystems Jun 27 16:15:13 lcuk: congrats \o/ Jun 27 16:15:33 thanks timoph Jun 27 16:15:37 i am dying in this heat Jun 27 16:15:39 :P Jun 27 16:15:47 it was hard work mopping her brow and telling her to push :D Jun 27 16:15:58 lcuk: Hah Jun 27 16:16:02 w00t: Get a large freezer, a small double glazed window, a laptop and a cushion. Jun 27 16:16:12 It's cooled down here now, looks like it might get a bit stormy later. Jun 27 16:16:16 i was earlier pondering if I can fit in my freezer Jun 27 16:16:22 w00t: Place cushion in freezer, cut hole in side, put window in. Get in with laptop. Jun 27 16:16:37 i think it's a bit small, but by god i'm tempted to try Jun 27 16:16:48 why do you need a window? light from laptop Jun 27 16:16:49 w00t: Cooling pads can be great. Jun 27 16:16:50 i'm not sure if i can fit special in with me, though Jun 27 16:17:00 I've got a freezer that'd fit you in it, collections welcome, 50 GBP :P Jun 27 16:17:08 w00t, with irc we can all be in there with you Jun 27 16:17:15 Heh Jun 27 16:17:20 that's creepy Jun 27 16:17:30 what are you doing in my freezer, lcuk, get out you don't even belong Jun 27 16:17:34 what is, 485 people in a freezer Jun 27 16:17:43 Heh: w00t: what are you wearing? Jun 27 16:17:45 or the fact alterego is renting his out Jun 27 16:17:50 lol Jun 27 16:17:52 lol Jun 27 16:18:27 w00t: it's not even hot. Jun 27 16:18:29 I think the heat must be making us all dilerious. Jun 27 16:18:38 I finally took off my sweater a few hours ago Jun 27 16:18:40 special: shut up, you're defective Jun 27 16:18:42 31 degrees here apparently. Jun 27 16:18:43 speak for yourself Jun 27 16:18:47 that's the advantage of a home office as long as you don't switch on your webcam. Jun 27 16:18:55 Heh Jun 27 16:19:19 andre__, you can switch on the webcam but keep it focused above shoulder height Jun 27 16:19:24 w00t: your country is defective, if this is the worst it can manage. Jun 27 16:19:34 special, where are you? Jun 27 16:19:39 lcuk: w00t's couch. Jun 27 16:19:52 ahh you are in Hull then Jun 27 16:20:13 deffo defective country! :P Jun 27 16:20:46 oh no Jun 27 16:20:52 lcuk, as it's you requesting it I might even consider it. :-P Jun 27 16:21:21 on days like this I can understand desire to wear a skirt errr kilt Jun 27 16:21:59 i am being corrected on use of "soccer/football" Jun 27 16:23:53 email traffic is super low today .. Jun 27 16:24:07 I'm actually kinda bored. Jun 27 16:25:59 email will pickup, it has been an odd week Jun 27 16:26:00 Wow, those N9s look expensive now :D Jun 27 16:26:28 to implement alt-tab switching for general meego netbook Jun 27 16:26:32 and for n900-ce Jun 27 16:27:09 i have (before hospital) made a test patch in liqbase and can demonstrate it working well with just minor patch Jun 27 16:27:31 making similar patch in the window manager on netbook would be an interesting test Jun 27 16:27:38 I reckon the N9 will retail in the UK for 499 :/ Jun 27 16:27:43 That is expensive. Jun 27 16:28:02 alterego: For the 16 or 64 GB one? Jun 27 16:28:16 * Jaffa reckons 429gbp for 16 and 499 for 64 Jun 27 16:28:27 the n9 is sexy hardware certainly Jun 27 16:28:34 question Jun 27 16:28:37 Jaffa 64 Jun 27 16:28:44 when microsoft release searay will it have same openness Jun 27 16:29:01 ie ability to flash meego onto it Jun 27 16:29:12 because that camera button is a desirable addon Jun 27 16:29:33 searay was a codename for a meego device, along with half a dozen others Jun 27 16:29:44 ok thiago the n9 with windows phone on it Jun 27 16:29:51 whatever its internal technical name Jun 27 16:29:57 there is the n9 without a camera button Jun 27 16:30:00 and the microsoft one with Jun 27 16:30:20 Jaffa: 16G model looks set to be 399 -> 429 Jun 27 16:30:28 We always pay more than the Americans. Jun 27 16:30:40 So I'm inclined to think 429+ Jun 27 16:31:02 Which is just silly imo Jun 27 16:31:06 But we'll see. Jun 27 16:31:27 alterego: Yeah, it when I think that's more than my iPad 2 that'll I'll consider not buying it Jun 27 16:32:23 Jaffa: well, like we were saying earlier, at least if you have an N950 you can trade for N9, and/or apply to the possibly and hopefully future N9 Community Device Programme .. Jun 27 16:32:38 Is the N950 32G? Jun 27 16:33:12 alterego: I believe so Jun 27 16:33:22 Tough choices all around really. Jun 27 16:33:39 * Jaffa would like to buy one to support it Jun 27 16:33:43 I bet the trade would be a N950 for a 16G pink N9 too :P Jun 27 16:33:47 ) Jun 27 16:33:51 Same here, but that is pretty expensive. Jun 27 16:34:14 I suppose I have a contract up for renewel ;) Jun 27 16:34:38 alterego: wouldnt count on it being 32 Jun 27 16:34:48 frals: Oh? Jun 27 16:35:40 Jaffa: ye, guess achipa or someone like that could confirm how much it is Jun 27 16:35:53 since the one i have isnt the final one.. :p Jun 27 16:36:02 Heh Jun 27 16:36:04 frals: How much does the one you have have? Jun 27 16:36:07 16 Jun 27 16:36:09 frals: so 16 is possible? Jun 27 16:36:14 lame :/ Jun 27 16:36:28 alterego: i dont see why more is needed for *development* ;) Jun 27 16:36:41 frals: You want developers to switch to it as their primary device :-p Jun 27 16:36:41 Might use an N8 for media player then. Jun 27 16:36:46 alterego: if you wuld want to store your music collection on it its a different matter ;) Jun 27 16:36:58 frals: exactly my point Jun 27 16:37:08 And all those 720, videos ... Jun 27 16:37:13 frals: If devs don't use it as their music player, how will they suddenly think of the perfect music player companion app? :p Jun 27 16:37:19 alterego: i was going to keep my n900 as mediaplayer, but turns out... im only using one device ;) Jun 27 16:37:26 Hah Jun 27 16:37:28 Cool Jun 27 16:37:38 not having any videos on there thou Jun 27 16:37:39 frals: is yours a black or silver model? Jun 27 16:40:55 is there any meta package or zypper pattern to install QML related stuff? Jun 27 16:42:42 alterego: ive only ever seen black N950s, whats this silver model you speak of? :P Jun 27 16:44:37 delac: QML is just part of qt (probably "qt-declarative" if I had to guess at the package name, but I'm sure it's already installed). You want the meego-qml-launcher app maybe? Jun 27 16:45:17 frals, deny all knowledge! Jun 27 16:45:46 you get a black one and you paint it, what's the problem ? Jun 27 16:48:13 andyross: I have a strange problem. For some reason I get a error: qrc:///mapviewer.qml:74:17: Cannot assign to non-existent property "onPositionChanged". Jun 27 16:48:28 andyross: and I wonder if I'm missing some package or something Jun 27 16:49:42 "There are over 100 million Qt powered devices, and the N9 shows the way to the future" Jun 27 16:49:48 Interesting quote there .. Jun 27 16:50:03 alterego: URL? Jun 27 16:50:18 This property? That's just on MouseArea: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-mousearea.html#onPositionChanged-signal Jun 27 16:50:19 You sure you don't have more errors? The component it's in is indeed a MouseArea? Jun 27 16:50:43 Jaffa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU8kYwqZKgM&feature=player_detailpage#t=798s Jun 27 16:52:37 alterego: Oh, yes - there were a few interesting terms there. Like Elop saying "this is the result of our MeeGo work" Jun 27 16:53:28 Jaffa: yeah, that's a bit more depressing and less, erm, meaningful :D Jun 27 16:54:26 andyross: no, it seems to be in MapMouseArea, which doesn't have that member... But this is example from the qt-mobility package!? Jun 27 16:55:56 Unfortunately I'm lost without time to read the source code. But this could be version skew: does the example match the built QtMobility version? Jun 27 16:56:27 andyross: yes, it should Jun 27 16:56:48 andyross: and this example does work on the simulator... Jun 27 16:59:06 I'd check again. A quick google shows this as (I think) the current source for that demo, and it's using MouseArea: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/declarative-location-mapviewer-mapviewer-qml.html Jun 27 17:02:29 andyross: I'm using 1.2. http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/declarative-location-mapviewer-mapviewer-qml.html Jun 27 17:03:24 andyross: also the mobility stuff on meego seems to be 1.2 Jun 27 17:09:04 * fiferboy tries to remain productive while waiting for DDP news... Jun 27 17:09:42 Prototyping new Columbus UX in QML Jun 27 17:09:50 Argh. Just got a email from developer@nokia.com - silly spam. Jun 27 17:09:56 In 20 minutes I've pretty much made it functionally equivalent O_o Jun 27 17:10:10 :) Jun 27 17:10:36 columbus UX? Jun 27 17:11:04 TSCHAKeee: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html Jun 27 17:11:25 That is QWidget based. Jun 27 17:11:46 oh om Jun 27 17:11:50 ok Jun 27 17:12:24 TSCHAKeee: looks a bit dated now, after seeing all the super transitions and effects you can do in QML realy easily. Jun 27 17:12:45 Of course, I could do them all in Qt Animation Framework, but QML means I can target multiple platforms properly :) Jun 27 17:12:51 alterego: I really need to convert a QWidget UI to QML Jun 27 17:13:00 fiferboy: what app? Jun 27 17:13:01 after spending time with qml Jun 27 17:13:06 i can't stand QWidget Jun 27 17:13:15 alterego: Did you do it in such a way that you can run either QWidget or QML depending on the system? Jun 27 17:13:36 but god damn, trying to massage our STL based DCE stuff (data models and the like) to be exposed via QML is proving to really hurt. Jun 27 17:13:49 alterego: Birdlist - http://andrew.olmsted.ca Jun 27 17:13:53 I also need to convert QWidget to QML Jun 27 17:13:53 fiferboy: the UXs will be plugins Jun 27 17:14:12 fiferboy: so the QWidget UX will still be around, but it's Maemo5 specific. Jun 27 17:14:58 and I have no idea where to start Jun 27 17:15:05 maybe the meego mailing lists have all been converted to forums ? Jun 27 17:15:08 The beginning :P Jun 27 17:15:23 for amusement http://liqbase.net/20110627_017.jpg Jun 27 17:15:51 alterego, well, yeah, but looking at the scale of the app Jun 27 17:16:03 lcuk: awwww :P Jun 27 17:16:13 What App? Jun 27 17:16:24 he is fast asleep :) Jun 27 17:16:44 I have to implement a component for the news friend, a model for the friends list, a widget for notes and editing them, a dialog for notifications, favorites (or as I call them, people you stalk) etc Jun 27 17:16:48 alterego, sociality Jun 27 17:17:12 Doesn't sounds like much work Jun 27 17:17:17 Seriously, if you just start doing it Jun 27 17:17:25 You'll realise how little time it'll take you to actually do it :D Jun 27 17:17:54 Well, I finished all that in one day for sociality Jun 27 17:17:56 alterego: Yeah, it is basically a list view with a custom delegate and a bunch of input dialogs Jun 27 17:18:07 in QWidget Jun 27 17:18:11 I need to figure out QML layouts and transitions, though Jun 27 17:18:26 anchors are nice Jun 27 17:18:32 I hate lists in QML Jun 27 17:18:34 alterego: Have you done any Qt Component stuff yet? Jun 27 17:18:55 fiferboy: loads Jun 27 17:18:55 I prefer that objects stay in memory, instead of constructing them on scrolling Jun 27 17:19:03 fiferboy: I wrote the QML UX for the meego reference dialer. Jun 27 17:19:07 MohammadAG: I am hoping I can keep my C++ list class and somehow hook it into a QML list Jun 27 17:19:08 not sure if that changed Jun 27 17:19:20 fiferboy, if it's a list model you can Jun 27 17:19:27 alterego: Right, but is that just "plain" QML? Or does it use components? Jun 27 17:19:47 MohammadAG: Yes, I thought I read that somewhere :) Jun 27 17:19:58 fiferboy, i read it somewhere too :P Jun 27 17:20:17 fiferboy: oh, it's just plain QML, I've done a little with components and I'll be porting the dialer QML to meego ux components soon enough Jun 27 17:21:11 Wow, I've just learned about 'extended' states. Jun 27 17:21:15 I didn't know you could do that :D Jun 27 17:21:19 alterego, I'll start on Sociality QML today, I'll be annoying you frequently :p Jun 27 17:21:20 From what I have read (and I may be mistaken) it seems that components of some variety will be supported nearly everywhere Jun 27 17:21:33 MohammadAG: by all means ;) Jun 27 17:21:44 alterego: I'll try to annoy you frequently too :) Jun 27 17:21:51 :) Jun 27 17:21:59 qml on windowsphone? Jun 27 17:22:08 I don't mind, if I'm not around just leave me a PM or something (I use irssi in a remote screen session) Jun 27 17:22:13 I always get my messages :) Jun 27 17:22:17 dm8tbr, seen the bug reply to MeeGo R&D Jun 27 17:22:27 lcuk: I think that's the "next billion" :P Jun 27 17:22:32 I know the drill alterego, remember September? :P Jun 27 17:23:09 I remember rought 20 septembers :P Jun 27 17:23:16 Which one in particular :) Jun 27 17:23:26 last one duh :p Jun 27 17:23:32 Heh, Jun 27 17:24:03 I couldn't read docs back then, or .h files for that matter Jun 27 17:24:30 :) Jun 27 17:25:37 vgrade: not yet, let me reload Jun 27 17:26:05 dm8tbr, does make for good reading Jun 27 17:26:12 not Jun 27 17:27:01 vgrade: actually, yes I'm pretty sure they have Jun 27 17:27:59 vgrade: as main force behind meego (when it started) they probably have the right to call an abacus meego Jun 27 17:28:08 MeeGo 1.2 Abacus Jun 27 17:31:37 vgrade: which bug? Jun 27 17:32:16 bug 13516 Jun 27 17:32:21 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, RESO FIXED, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of ", a MeeGo R&D project" Jun 27 17:36:47 vgrade: what's your opinion on the 'for MeeGo' part? Jun 27 17:37:41 vgrade: for me that sounds awkward, how would this apply in practice? ideas? Jun 27 17:37:48 OK good, we can now use the word meego instead of mg Jun 27 17:37:50 Joggler for MeeGo? Jun 27 17:38:17 Archos gen8 for MeeGo? that's counter intuitive for me Jun 27 17:38:59 Joggler port for MeeGo Jun 27 17:39:04 ah Jun 27 17:39:13 that makes more sense Jun 27 17:39:23 port or adaptation Jun 27 17:39:23 still a bit weird, but better Jun 27 17:40:12 forMeeGo.openaos.org Jun 27 17:40:32 that again sounds kinda neat Jun 27 17:40:55 vgrade buys forMeeGo.com Jun 27 17:41:42 vgrade just violated LF trademark guidelines ;) Jun 27 17:41:59 dneary: see bug 13516 Jun 27 17:42:02 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, RESO FIXED, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of ", a MeeGo R&D project" Jun 27 17:43:00 dm8tbr, "Instead, we suggest using " for MeeGo." Jun 27 17:43:03 OK - I get it Jun 27 17:43:07 projetc Jun 27 17:43:14 project.formeego.com Jun 27 17:43:21 *nod* Jun 27 17:43:43 I suggest using the word Unix in place of Meego, Jun 27 17:43:53 dm8tbr, Unfortunately, that might work in text descriptions of the site, but the LF guidelines are very clear on using [Mm]ee[Gg]o in a domain name Jun 27 17:44:14 "Unix"is not formally a trademark ("UNIX" is) and it will free you from the necessity of proving Meego compatibility Jun 27 17:44:35 dm8tbr, See http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/linux-foundation-trademark-usage-guidelines Jun 27 17:44:58 "A trademark should not be used as your domain name or as part of your domain name." Jun 27 17:45:28 dm8tbr, See also bug 14699 Jun 27 17:45:31 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14699 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, ASSI, MeeGo Central need a trademark license (if they don't have one already) Jun 27 17:45:39 dneary: well, that would just put things back at square zero Jun 27 17:45:57 dm8tbr, If you say so Jun 27 17:46:02 dneary: we can call it for meego but we are not allowed to have a domain that says so (as a example) Jun 27 17:46:10 dm8tbr, but we can still use the MeeGo word in image names and blog posts, tweets etc Jun 27 17:46:35 vgrade: it's a step, yes and I'm happy it's finally moving Jun 27 17:46:41 dm8tbr, I think that the rules are too strict, and can be less strict, but we're not talking to the people who make the rules Jun 27 17:46:48 So we have no chance to convince them Jun 27 17:47:02 dneary: I was under the impression that bdub does? Jun 27 17:47:13 No Jun 27 17:47:19 bdub talks to the people who make the rules Jun 27 17:47:27 But bdub doesn't make the rules Jun 27 17:47:27 that's what I meant Jun 27 17:47:36 And he didn't manage to convince them Jun 27 17:47:59 dneary: you seem to know more about this process than I do... Jun 27 17:48:10 dneary: mind shedding some light on it? Jun 27 17:48:15 dm8tbr, In general, there's a lawyer involved somewhere Jun 27 17:48:27 you can clearly tell by the careful wording, yes Jun 27 17:48:34 dm8tbr, As I understand it, the LF lawyers have drafted the LF trademark guidelines Jun 27 17:48:42 dm8tbr, also from the lf site 'A trademark should not be used as part of your product name.'. So the JoggerForMeeGo.img is still not going to work Jun 27 17:49:44 dm8tbr, And while I have been arguing that MeeGo needs to be special-cased and have a separate trademark policy (as a site you want to encourage community websites & apps around) the LF people responsible for the trademark policy, when Brian has proposed changes, have said it ain't gonna happen Jun 27 17:49:50 That's the 30s summary Jun 27 17:50:45 dm8tbr, riding your favourite ponny again? :) Jun 27 17:50:55 we're working hard on this Jun 27 17:50:58 btw Jun 27 17:50:58 smoku: absofunking lutely! :D Jun 27 17:51:17 DawnFoster: I appreciate that Jun 27 17:51:22 anything involving legal takes time and negotiation Jun 27 17:51:46 ok, now back to work for me - too many things to do today :) Jun 27 17:51:48 DawnFoster: would having a umbrella domain be possible? Jun 27 17:51:54 DawnFoster, I believe you - but so far there hasn't really been much transparency in how this stuff works Jun 27 17:52:08 dm8tbr, www.umbrella.com is taken Jun 27 17:52:14 we're trying to figure out how it works & who makes those decisions Jun 27 17:52:18 * dm8tbr fwapfs dneary :p Jun 27 17:52:30 I think if you look at the bugs you'll see that it's a matter of trying to figure it out Jun 27 17:52:37 not lack of transparency Jun 27 17:52:45 what we don't know, we can't share Jun 27 17:52:53 all we can do is work to fix it Jun 27 17:52:57 which is what we're doing Jun 27 17:53:13 but seriously don't have time to dive into this discussion today Jun 27 17:53:17 DawnFoster: dead air between 2011-02-15 and now is quite intransparent to me Jun 27 17:53:35 DawnFoster, Well, if I can help, let me know Jun 27 17:53:57 DawnFoster, Have been through Conversations with Lawyers before (as have you, I know) Jun 27 17:54:23 dm8tbr, Hmmm.... 2011-02-15. Why does that date bring back memories? Jun 27 17:54:44 duuuuh, coincidence :) Jun 27 17:54:46 dm8tbr, Oh yeah, it was 4 days after Nokia clarified their MeeGo strategy Jun 27 17:55:05 * dm8tbr was ranting happily before that already ;) Jun 27 17:55:09 dm8tbr, I think from then until the MeeGo conference ppl in LF had a lot to do behind the scenes Jun 27 17:55:54 indeed Jun 27 18:01:13 hey MeeGoists Jun 27 18:02:18 Venemo: will there be a schism between the purist MeeGoitsts and the Harmattenites ? Jun 27 18:03:07 jo Jun 27 18:03:41 schisms, fatah and jihad issues -> please discuss in #meego-bar instead :) Jun 27 18:03:49 berndhs, I haven't decided yet. Jun 27 18:04:00 berndhs, depends on whether they gimme a new toy or not :P Jun 27 18:04:09 <-- cracks his eggs on the Beg End Jun 27 18:04:17 s/Beg/Big/ Jun 27 18:04:17 gabrbedd meant: <-- cracks his eggs on the Big End Jun 27 18:05:08 * dm8tbr would just install MeeGo on a N950 :) Jun 27 18:05:53 dm8tbr, I don't understand why they didn't use the mainline MeeGo instead of their own stuff btw Jun 27 18:05:55 * smoku loves RPM automatic dependency insertion Jun 27 18:06:24 it just saved me few WTFs on runtime debugging for sure... Jun 27 18:06:39 Venemo: timing issue I guess, probably the stuff was well on its way when they made the pact with the dev^h^h^h lf and intel Jun 27 18:07:18 Venemo: Actually, I don't understand why they chose to reinvent everything last year instead of doing a migration from Harmattan. (Probably to appease Intel's interests) Jun 27 18:08:01 gabrbedd, because MeeGo Core is/was unstable, and Maemo core is proven to work? Jun 27 18:08:27 gabrbedd, maybe, who knows Jun 27 18:08:37 smoku: That's exactly what I'm saying. Jun 27 18:09:29 let's use the proven os, put compatibility layer on top, put meego sticker and ship :) Jun 27 18:09:49 that's pretty much what it seems to be, yes Jun 27 18:09:53 smoku, gabrbedd was talking the other way around, eg. why didn't they make MeeGo core out of Harmattan. is that right gabrbedd? Jun 27 18:10:03 * dm8tbr will keep smoku's statement as a quote around ;) Jun 27 18:10:04 Last year when MeeGo started... the strategy for Handset seemed to be to dump Maemo and re-invent everything with the MTF. Jun 27 18:10:07 Venemo: right. Jun 27 18:10:22 oh. Jun 27 18:10:52 that's easy. Maemo core is inferior to the designed MeeGo core Jun 27 18:10:58 I think it would have made more sense to make Maemo a MeeGo base and evolve from there. Jun 27 18:11:01 see my comment on RPM for example Jun 27 18:11:05 Venemo: the handset _after_ n9 would have been based on meego core, meego core was too unstable last year Jun 27 18:11:20 you guys need to understand corporate inertia Jun 27 18:11:27 it takes TIME for descisions to be made Jun 27 18:11:31 Aard, ah, I understand Jun 27 18:11:34 and for them to trickle down Jun 27 18:11:38 smoku, what is your comment on RPM? Jun 27 18:11:56 Harmattan was already in the advanced stages of development when MeeGo was announced. Jun 27 18:12:14 yeah Jun 27 18:12:32 Venemo: if you look at meego 1.1/1.2 development you'll see that we've been working on putting all the stuff needed to rebase harmattan in place Jun 27 18:12:32 then why did those "advanced" stages require one more year? Jun 27 18:12:42 Venemo: it did Jun 27 18:12:58 Venemo: That's a different question Jun 27 18:13:07 all right, don't take this the wrong way Jun 27 18:13:13 smoku: I like RPM, too... but I don't think switching from DEB to RPM doesn't require re-writing all your libs. Jun 27 18:13:23 I adore what you accomplised with Harmattan, especially the UX Jun 27 18:13:30 gabrbedd: just your entire build and integration system Jun 27 18:13:35 gabrbedd, people working on MeeGo had a chance to leave Moblin and Maemo legacy behind and build a new system, not repeating their errors. and IMO they did it well. Jun 27 18:14:48 gabrbedd, and yes. they did new errors like introducing MTF, but most of these were already retracted :D Jun 27 18:14:51 thiago: Yes. Which is a mite better than that PLUS all your code. :-) Jun 27 18:14:52 thiago, or just reuse the build and integration system from an already existing RPM-based distro, such as Fedora Jun 27 18:15:15 Venemo: or OBS Jun 27 18:15:20 Venemo: it still requires doing Jun 27 18:15:24 thiago, as a matter of fact, the exact same thing happened. MeeGo adapted OBS from OpenSuse, Jun 27 18:15:24 smoku: exactly, and for harmattan userland this unfortunately means that a rebase is a bit more complicated -- for example, meego uses ofono, while harmattan still uses the old nokia cellular stack. it didn't make sense to rush that transition with the harmattan base solid -- as long as the main application apis are compatible Jun 27 18:15:26 yeah Jun 27 18:15:42 Venemo: and since Harmattan was about to be released, this change wasn't made Jun 27 18:15:48 :) Jun 27 18:16:12 Aard, thiago, anyway, you have done well. esp. your UX team should be very proud Jun 27 18:16:50 Venemo: I didn't do much with harmattan, I'm almost fulltime working on MeeGo ;) Jun 27 18:17:10 Aard, okay, I wasn't aware :) Jun 27 18:17:10 Aard: how many are in the bull pen with you? Jun 27 18:18:02 TSCHAKeee: there never have been many contributing directly to meego. for the few people doing work we managed quite a lot, though ;) Jun 27 18:18:08 also, give my congrats to the Harmattan marketing team as well. after reading their blah-blah on swipe.nokia.com, I really got to like the N9 and N950 :) Jun 27 18:18:17 * Stskeeps|holiday yawns Jun 27 18:18:39 Stskeeps|holiday :) Jun 27 18:18:41 having a nice holiday? :) Jun 27 18:18:48 dm8tbr: 'X hw adaption for meego'? Jun 27 18:19:00 Venemo: yes, beer and sun Jun 27 18:19:25 byt the addiction called... ;-) Jun 27 18:20:02 Stskeeps|holiday: a bit awkward but getting closer, yes Jun 27 18:20:14 dm8tbr: i could live with that personally Jun 27 18:20:42 Stskeeps|holiday: yes, I am reasonably happy with it as stated. didn't expect it to fly after that long silence. Jun 27 18:21:03 Stskeeps|holiday: last bit will be to get an ok for something like forMeeGo.tld Jun 27 18:21:14 that would be icing on the cake Jun 27 18:21:34 dm8tbr: i am idly wondering how apps are supposed to be named.. Jun 27 18:21:38 X for meego? Jun 27 18:22:03 dm8tbr: like, compliant aps Jun 27 18:22:06 Stskeeps|holiday: that's out of my scope, I'm looking at hw adaptation ;) Jun 27 18:22:15 Stskeeps|holiday: yes, realized that after 10s ;) Jun 27 18:22:38 Aard, so, are you on the hw adaptation team, or another one at Nokia? (Or are you doing something you're not allowed to talk about?) Jun 27 18:22:58 with KDE/GNOME naming apps is easy. just slap K/G at the beginning and you're done. ev. replace leading C with K Jun 27 18:23:04 Venemo: I'm in the application team Jun 27 18:23:20 smoku: but there they don't play with my pony Jun 27 18:23:30 Aard, as in, you're responsible for the reference apps? Jun 27 18:24:20 no, intel does reference apps. I am (was, got a bit less the last months) responsible for some of the middleware reference apps (and harmattan apps) use Jun 27 18:24:30 Stskeeps, how much 'holiday' are you? Jun 27 18:24:42 osc build just barked on me ;-) Jun 27 18:24:47 Stskeeps|holiday, we sill can't use jogglerformeego.img Jun 27 18:25:32 vgrade, shouldn't it be meegoforjoggler? Jun 27 18:25:39 smoku: i'd send you a picture of me in a grass field, sun, beer but gprs.. Jun 27 18:25:52 vgrade: why? Jun 27 18:26:06 Stskeeps|holiday, ok. have fun then :D Jun 27 18:26:16 dm8tbr: anyway, a mental twister: is meego on top of mesa gallium llvmpipe compliant? Jun 27 18:26:21 according to the lf tm stuff meego can't be used in a product name Jun 27 18:26:26 Stskeeps! Jun 27 18:26:36 Stskeeps|holiday: why not? if it provides OpenGL ES 2 API Jun 27 18:26:45 Aard, nice :) Jun 27 18:26:45 lo Ulf_ Jun 27 18:26:59 Stskeeps|holiday, have a beer for me ;) Jun 27 18:27:07 Stskeeps|holiday: as we know it's only compliant if it runs on intel chips or nokia hardware... :p Jun 27 18:27:11 Ulf_: way ahead of you ;) Jun 27 18:27:20 argh Jun 27 18:27:25 * Ulf_ is jealous :-)) Jun 27 18:28:40 thiago: could think performance maybe, but then again we dont dictate that Jun 27 18:28:59 llvmpipe has a good performance Jun 27 18:29:05 :nod: Jun 27 18:29:14 I thought llvmpipe was for multi-core desktop processors Jun 27 18:30:04 and it performs marginally even there Jun 27 18:31:05 for quake maybe, but for qml like stuff it might be just fine Jun 27 18:31:13 hmm Jun 27 18:31:17 that makes sense Jun 27 18:31:21 i mean, see vgrades tegra2 vids Jun 27 18:31:28 it's faster on multicore, but it works on single-core too Jun 27 18:31:40 but I wounder how long the battery would last when you tax the CPU with llvmpipes Jun 27 18:32:14 Venemo: display on is slightly worse sinner in most cases Jun 27 18:32:18 about as long as you'd have if you taxed it with the Qt raster painting engine Jun 27 18:32:23 but yeah, gles helps Jun 27 18:32:30 if you can't access the GL hardware, the CPU will be used Jun 27 18:33:26 mhm Jun 27 18:33:39 and how would that affect multi-tasking performance? Jun 27 18:33:49 dm8tbr, why don't we just invent a word? if enough ports were calling themselves i.e. "FooBar for Something" it would finally stick, and crowd will know that if they want unblessed MeeGo adaptation, they need to google for FooBar ;-) Jun 27 18:34:44 'warez for MeeGo'? :p Jun 27 18:34:50 smoku: that's what I was trying to avoid so far. as that would probably make it much harder to get any sort of support from MeeGo Jun 27 18:35:45 smoku: oh, you have a problem with Foobar? well foobar is not compliant, go to them, play with the kids in their sandbox! (while the bug could be actually grave and aplicable to meego) Jun 27 18:36:10 support from MeeGo? you're are such an optimist :D Jun 27 18:36:45 smoku: you may call me don quixcote Jun 27 18:37:13 * timoph makes a note to remember dm8tbr's new name Jun 27 18:37:26 :) Jun 27 18:37:26 DonQuixote de la MeeGo :D Jun 27 18:37:51 HW Skunkworks for MeeGo? Jun 27 18:38:11 * dm8tbr should get business cards printed with that... Jun 27 18:38:26 dm8tbr, isn't the exact approach you are describing taken for Harmattan? see the "where should I report Harmattan bugs?" thread on meego-dev Jun 27 18:38:53 smoku: see mee sending people to #meego and #meego-arm if they have #harmattan questions... Jun 27 18:39:02 dm8tbr, you report harmattan bugs to nokia, and if they are also meego bugs nokia will report them upstream Jun 27 18:39:48 dm8tbr, you report foobar bugs to someone, and if they are meego bugs someone reports them upstream Jun 27 18:39:49 smoku: yes, that's also IIRC sort of the spirit/wording on my bug13516 page Jun 27 18:39:52 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, RESO FIXED, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of ", a MeeGo R&D project" Jun 27 18:40:10 where upstream == MeeGo Jun 27 18:40:28 sorry I meant: http://bug10738.openaos.org/ Jun 27 18:40:31 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed Jun 27 18:40:38 "You will not file bugs in the official bugzilla against those images! Please turn to the creator of the image or the community working on the specific hardware adaptation to discuss issues you encounter. " Jun 27 18:41:21 I know that for most of the issues (not related to specific hardware adapted for) the intermediary is unneded, as we usually have basically unmodified MeeGo released binaries, but this is obviously the stance MeeGo devs are taking Jun 27 18:42:30 smoku: sure the if-you-are-really-really-sure way will be 'don't mention how you find it' or if you have time quickly pipe it through a qemu install... Jun 27 18:42:37 smoku: even for n900 it first gets passed to us to triage before we establish its a global issue Jun 27 18:42:55 I already had hard time reporting problems if I couldn't give an official build number Jun 27 18:43:14 "how do you expect us to reproduce it if you are using custom built image???!" Jun 27 18:43:26 * dm8tbr facepalms hard Jun 27 18:44:01 Stskeeps|holiday, don't get me wrong. I understand the reasoning for this workflow. Jun 27 18:44:24 it's just hard to get it for people working for open source projects only so far Jun 27 18:45:27 "We are not the Open Source project, you are thinking off..." Jun 27 18:45:44 once you get past it, things tend to get obvious :) Jun 27 18:46:56 other thing people don't usually get at the first glance and get frustrated at is that MeeGo is not a boxed product Jun 27 18:47:23 the primary audience of the MeeGo Project understand this well Jun 27 18:47:31 it's more like ikea, and mic2 is the replacement for the hex-wrench ;) Jun 27 18:47:50 but the average bypassed (especially free software geek) has got to get many WTFs Jun 27 18:48:02 s/passed/passer/ Jun 27 18:48:03 smoku meant: but the average bypasser (especially free software geek) has got to get many WTFs Jun 27 18:49:05 DawnFoster, ^^^ maybe you should think of a few explanations for average joe on meego.com? Jun 27 18:49:32 as the journalists usually get MeeGo wrong also Jun 27 19:03:31 police intercepters on channel five for anyone interested Jun 27 19:04:02 osc build fails to setup a build environment with: Jun 27 19:04:02 running bzip2-x86-arm postinstall script Jun 27 19:04:02 chroot: failed to run command `sh': Exec format error Jun 27 19:04:04 any ideas? Jun 27 19:04:30 wrong target Jun 27 19:04:38 you can't run a binary for another arch Jun 27 19:06:10 that's what I see Jun 27 19:06:40 It copied qemu there wirhout errors, though.. :/ Jun 27 19:06:42 copying qemu Jun 27 19:06:42 /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static Jun 27 19:06:42 registering binfmt handlers Jun 27 19:09:10 Why doesn't MapMouseArea (QML) have onPositionChanged signal on Meego, while it does have it on the Qt Simulator? Both are using Qt Mobility 1.2. Jun 27 19:09:30 "osc chroot armv8el" fails aswell :/ Jun 27 19:10:12 qemu-static-arm is static right? :P Jun 27 19:14:08 > LANG=POSIX ldd /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static Jun 27 19:14:08 not a dynamic executable Jun 27 19:14:27 osc --debug nor --verbose does not help much :/ Jun 27 19:14:47 try "file /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static Jun 27 19:16:06 ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.4, not stripped Jun 27 19:16:13 and it works fine when launched Jun 27 19:16:57 smoku: /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc or smth Jun 27 19:17:01 I think there may be a problem with registering binfmt handler Jun 27 19:17:09 but it does not error on this Jun 27 19:18:35 ls /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/ is empty even after "registering binfmt handlers" Jun 27 19:20:04 ok. binfmt_misc is not mounted Jun 27 19:31:12 strange. when I mounted binfmt_misc i don't see "registering binfmt handlers" anymore and it still doesn't work :/ Jun 27 19:48:19 Hi I have already installed meego to my n900's emmc before. Jun 27 19:48:20 But what I was wondering if I could dual boot it with maemo on separate partitions on the emmc.? Jun 27 19:48:20 I already have Maemo, Power 64 and Android dual booting from the emmc and it works just fine. Jun 27 19:48:20 Is this possible to do with meego? Jun 27 19:48:20 Thanks much appreciated and I use backup menu for my current setup.:) Jun 27 19:48:45 I did post this in channel meego-handset but got no response. Jun 27 19:48:53 Thanks.:) Jun 27 19:50:05 IIRC maemo is on the device itself, not the memory card Jun 27 19:50:19 Yes. Jun 27 19:50:23 Of course. Jun 27 19:50:44 I am just wondering if the process is the same. Jun 27 19:50:57 For installing android to the n900. Jun 27 19:51:02 emmc Jun 27 19:51:05 * CosmoHill wouldn't know Jun 27 19:51:23 The internal storage is the emmc Jun 27 19:51:24 . Jun 27 19:51:25 :) Jun 27 19:51:33 I do know that bit Jun 27 19:51:50 Well maemo is the default os. Jun 27 19:51:57 So of course it is on the device itself.:) Jun 27 19:52:11 Why would it be on the sd card. Jun 27 19:52:32 >< Jun 27 19:52:45 I'll see what I can do. Jun 27 19:52:50 I was just checking here first. Jun 27 19:53:30 Also why can't you load files onto meego. Jun 27 19:53:33 Via usb. Jun 27 19:53:41 It just fails at the desktop gui. Jun 27 19:53:45 It doesn't connect. Jun 27 19:53:56 So I had to use the meego recovery in ram. Jun 27 19:54:02 To cp the files across. Jun 27 19:54:08 And it still wouldn't see them. Jun 27 19:54:19 In the media file manager or player. Jun 27 19:54:38 I don't get why this is the case. Jun 27 19:55:02 I can only assume the configuration from scanning directories is still. Jun 27 19:55:07 Based of the sdcard. Jun 27 19:55:15 And yet there is a home/meego directory. Jun 27 19:55:23 So I am puzzled by this. Jun 27 19:55:35 It picks up the default music file in the music folder.] Jun 27 19:55:40 That comes with meego ce Jun 27 19:56:40 My music were in folders but I can't see that being much of an issue. Jun 27 19:58:26 EliteTecke: let me guess your music are mp3 files? Jun 27 19:58:33 He Jun 27 19:58:35 h Jun 27 19:58:37 heh Jun 27 19:58:47 is there a way i can find out easily what Qt flags meego Qt is compiled with? Jun 27 20:00:03 dm8tbr: mp3 is not supported? Jun 27 20:00:26 ogg and mp3. Jun 27 20:00:34 Non worked or were even found. Jun 27 20:00:48 hiemanshu: pretty sure it isn't Jun 27 20:01:02 Then what does it support then? Jun 27 20:01:05 hiemanshu: something about patents, licensing and things Jun 27 20:01:09 right Jun 27 20:01:12 ogg/vorbis ogg/theora Jun 27 20:01:18 My pictures I take from the camera don't show either. Jun 27 20:01:24 so all my iTunes music wont work :/ Jun 27 20:01:27 And they are there. Jun 27 20:01:28 EliteTecke: you put them in ~/Music Jun 27 20:01:30 I checked. Jun 27 20:01:34 Yes of course. Jun 27 20:01:52 I do know how to use a Linux based os and its directories properly. Jun 27 20:01:53 it works fine for videos Jun 27 20:02:26 well the players are jailed in those directories so to say, not everyone expects that Jun 27 20:02:50 haven't checked if subdirectories work Jun 27 20:03:23 Well I am going to have a crack at installing it to a separate partition. Jun 27 20:03:28 On the emmc. Jun 27 20:03:41 that could work, you'll need to adjust the kernel cmdline Jun 27 20:03:45 I know. Jun 27 20:04:10 I finally got an answer in meego-handset channel. Jun 27 20:04:16 if you succeed, add a note to the emmc install page. I'm sure someone will appreciate it Jun 27 20:04:24 Yeah will do. Jun 27 20:04:29 for n900 things #meego-arm is your best bet btw Jun 27 20:04:36 Ah okay. Jun 27 20:04:38 Thanks.:) Jun 27 20:04:42 np Jun 27 20:05:09 I have installed it to the emmc just not on a separate partition before. Jun 27 20:05:24 Like I have done with Android/Nitdroid port in the past.:) Jun 27 20:07:40 I haven't managed to get xbmc working on top of meego yet. Jun 27 20:08:45 I hope that uses top2fs or whatever his nick was optimizations Jun 27 20:10:47 What were/are top2fs optimizations? Jun 27 20:12:11 he spent last summer of code tweaking xbmc for the beagleboard Jun 27 20:12:24 I hear most of his work recently went upstream Jun 27 20:12:48 What would best for meego. Jun 27 20:12:52 ext3 or ext4? Jun 27 20:13:21 I'll go for ext3. Jun 27 20:13:30 hi Jun 27 20:13:33 meegoce doesn't play video properly with the built in video player and sample media, so.. Jun 27 20:13:39 Hi Jun 27 20:13:47 ShadowJK: correct :( Jun 27 20:14:06 someone said there was a (partial?) fix though Jun 27 20:14:20 I can see that could be possible. Jun 27 20:14:31 MeeGo Tablet Developer Preview v 1.2 not have applications close buttons, is there a way to enable it by software Jun 27 20:14:39 From the corruption it looks like it tries to play stuff through sgx, which is another wtf. Jun 27 20:15:02 Ah you need to compile sgx then yourself. Jun 27 20:15:11 That's how one person got xbmc to run. Jun 27 20:15:11 waa: it's part of the design philosophy. a physical home button is required Jun 27 20:15:22 EliteTecke: you can't. sgx is closed source Jun 27 20:15:33 Someone claimed they did. Jun 27 20:15:40 Dunno where they got the source then. Jun 27 20:15:46 * dm8tbr doubts that Jun 27 20:16:07 there are only a small handfull of people who have it, comes with a pile of NDA Jun 27 20:17:46 And you wouldn't want to play video through sgx? Jun 27 20:18:42 it'd be sloow Jun 27 20:27:10 waa: No there is not really a way to enable them. However... Jun 27 20:27:42 waa: If you hit the "Meta" button (aka windows key, aka top left corner thingie on exopc)... you'll get a task switcher. Jun 27 20:27:55 waa: that lats you switch between apps. Jun 27 20:28:14 waa: If you press and hold on an icon, you'll get a context menu where you can close out the app. Jun 27 20:30:50 ShadowJK, bug 13084 Jun 27 20:30:53 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink Jun 27 20:35:49 ARM will be on bbc2 and bbc HD Jun 27 20:35:57 lcuk: congrats, how is mrs lcuk and the little one? Jun 27 20:36:17 CosmoHill, 4 hours and 2 paracetamol. Jun 27 20:36:22 she is still in shock Jun 27 20:37:25 gabrbedd, dm8tbr thanks Jun 27 20:43:30 working xv is going to be needed for more than 240p I think :/ Jun 27 20:46:10 ShadowJK, fix the bug then please Jun 27 20:46:20 (if you know how or who can do it)! Jun 27 20:48:50 hello hello :) Jun 27 20:53:40 julienf, evenign Jun 27 20:57:22 hell o! Jun 27 20:57:37 i've pushed another update to my mobile UX repos ! Jun 27 20:57:54 a lockscreen Jun 27 20:57:57 http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/516037MeeGoNewKickAssUX003.png Jun 27 20:58:02 with vertical slider Jun 27 20:58:23 and more : all of that is entirely stylable with plain CSS Jun 27 21:03:05 julienf, did you get my mail? Jun 27 21:03:25 hey vgrade Jun 27 21:03:50 vgrade: yes. got it. Traveling right now, limited access to email Jun 27 21:04:19 ok, good Jun 27 21:04:34 I saw from your tweets you'd had a busy weekend Jun 27 21:06:58 a new ARM board anounced today from India, http://www.design-reuse.com/news/26734/iwave-i-mx51-based-isbc-arm-cortex-a8-board.html?sf1708346=1 Jun 27 21:14:24 thebootroo: hey Jun 27 21:14:43 wazd: hey ! Jun 27 21:15:23 thebootroo: looks like you're going somewhere with UX :) Jun 27 21:15:31 thx Jun 27 21:15:43 thebootroo: And I need some help with it :P Jun 27 21:15:54 oh oh oh ok Jun 27 21:16:14 thebootroo: I'm currently working on UI/UX concept for meego ce Jun 27 21:16:40 wazd: hum, what kind of concept Jun 27 21:16:53 Can you join meego-arm so I can show you? :P Jun 27 21:17:12 i can try, but i'm on gprs so it can bug Jun 27 21:17:39 aaaah, well, I'm not in a hurry :) Jun 27 21:17:53 i'm in ;-) Jun 27 21:36:00 people, where can I find a good documentation about the N900 boot process? Jun 27 21:36:22 I'm somewhat confused about uboot, multiboot, flashing the kernel to memory and so on Jun 27 21:38:28 if I understand correctly, there is a kernel area in the mmc that can hold the maemo kernel only, and a uboot that will load a kernel from mmc or sd, right? Jun 27 21:38:44 maemo kernel _or_ uboot Jun 27 21:40:50 YEEES! I'm in meego for the first time! Jun 27 21:40:50 ; ) Jun 27 21:41:27 grate Jun 27 21:41:30 gratz* Jun 27 21:42:12 nice background picture Jun 27 21:49:46 Very interesting system! Will applications developed for CE work in harmattan? Jun 27 21:52:31 no Jun 27 21:53:58 what are the differences between the harmattan SDK and the Meego CE SDK? Jun 27 21:54:51 if you write a new meego qml app, does it have to use meego-qml-launcher? Jun 27 21:55:18 rafael2k, Harmattan probably includes some closed parts that are Nokia-only components, while MeeGo CE should be completely free (if I understand it correctly) Jun 27 21:55:41 blauzahl: Certainly doesn't have to, but that's the only QML wrapper application distributed. Jun 27 21:56:32 andyross: thanks! Jun 27 21:57:17 andre__: ok, but is there any common base that could be used to write portable apps? Jun 27 21:57:51 Stskeeps|holiday: how to shutdown meego? Jun 27 21:58:07 ooops Jun 27 21:58:36 how to shutdown meego? power button seems to lock the screen. Jun 27 22:00:23 oh, you meant Community Edition? Jun 27 22:00:31 yes, sure, applications should be portable Jun 27 22:00:35 yes, CE == Community Edition Jun 27 22:00:41 ow Jun 27 22:00:48 you frightened me Jun 27 22:01:37 MeeGo CE on Nokia would confuse a lot of people Jun 27 22:01:58 I'm running CE on my N900 Jun 27 22:02:08 Meego CE for instance Jun 27 22:03:22 rbelem: belem? here is juba. Jun 27 23:07:54 Evening **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 28 00:11:46 2011 Jun 28 00:18:14 cyas Jun 28 00:59:20 LOLOOL Jun 28 00:59:41 hahah Jun 28 01:18:39 llooooooool Jun 28 01:19:03 why are people here Jun 28 01:19:16 :) Jun 28 01:20:36 We're napping! Jun 28 01:40:44 pepelyayev: good question. many answers, but, most importantly, people are here because MeeGo is alive and growing. Jun 28 01:42:35 However - to answer the meta-question, people lurk on IRC, as it means they can read what happened in their absence when tehy get back tot eh computer. Jun 28 01:42:41 Also they can get messsages from others. Jun 28 02:57:56 hey im trying to download meego and use it on vmware Jun 28 02:58:03 would the netbook image work? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 28 02:59:58 2011