**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 01 02:59:57 2011 Jul 01 05:00:21 bash`afk: mount the initrd, copy the dir somewhere else, umount, edit and recreate the initrd from the edited copy. Something like steps 4, 5 and 8 from http://ioctl.org/unix/debian/x4100 (sorry I'm in a hurry and couldn't find a better link) Jul 01 05:07:02 ooh... class 10 card... let's see how much that helps... Jul 01 06:00:01 Morning Jul 01 06:00:21 morrning Jul 01 06:01:20 Morinker Jul 01 08:27:17 morning #meego \o Jul 01 08:29:30 good morning lcuk Jul 01 08:35:16 thiago, do you know anything about updated tablet packages? Jul 01 08:36:59 can anyone confirm if the n950 requires a regular sim card or a microsim card? Jul 01 08:37:58 lcuk: nope Jul 01 08:38:06 ieatlint: regular Jul 01 08:38:41 cool, thanks Jul 01 09:11:42 thiago, you mentioned last night that n950 has 10 finger touch Jul 01 09:12:19 do the touch reports reduce in frequency as more fingers added Jul 01 09:12:28 i didn't know it had fingers Jul 01 09:12:31 on the ideapad, the touch sensor interleaves reports Jul 01 09:12:40 lcuk: I don't know Jul 01 09:12:52 so that if you use 2 fingers there are only half as many mouse reports Jul 01 09:12:58 shall be tested then Jul 01 09:13:19 not 11 finger touch? I'm disappointed Jul 01 09:13:42 what updated tablet packages? Jul 01 09:13:58 lcuk: I don't think so Jul 01 09:14:21 thiago, :D good stuff Jul 01 09:14:33 you mean devel:ux tablet packages? Jul 01 09:14:51 vvaltone, in a mail last night I saw it mentioned Jul 01 09:15:26 Hello! Jul 01 09:15:39 lcuk: it's proper hardware with proper drivers, I think Jul 01 09:15:58 thiago, the ideapad is proper hardware with proper drivers too! Jul 01 09:16:00 lcuk, a ml mail? Jul 01 09:16:24 yes vvaltone on meego-packaging Jul 01 09:17:07 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-packaging/2011-June/247753.html Jul 01 09:17:31 it was araujo talking about the maliit packaging after meegotouch removal Jul 01 09:18:27 Hi Jul 01 09:18:35 I have a little question Jul 01 09:18:38 about meego for netbooks... Jul 01 09:18:44 but I was wondering where the tablet stuff was published since developers are focusing upon it Jul 01 09:18:57 hello Jul 01 09:19:12 it is possible to turn off calendar and task from Myzone panel__ Jul 01 09:19:19 ? Jul 01 09:19:33 lcuk, unless it's in a image, it's either on build.meego.com/download.meego.com or the git repos I guess Jul 01 09:21:40 Ok, I found it ;) Jul 01 09:30:51 morning lardman Jul 01 09:31:49 morning lcuk Jul 01 09:31:53 how's everyone? Jul 01 09:33:02 Found an old windows mobile device today :) Jul 01 09:33:18 peaceful :) Luke went to his Prom last night, Finn is sleeping happily - he managed 5 hours last night Jul 01 09:33:43 cool :) Jul 01 09:34:04 * lcuk even found time to play football again with Jake :D Jul 01 09:34:24 Just bought a cot Jul 01 09:34:34 we have a great one from John Lewis Jul 01 09:36:26 I've no idea where Holly bought this one, looks nice though Jul 01 09:51:51 sjgadsby: ping Jul 01 09:59:06 sjgadsby: re your wallet idea, what do you do by way of storage of the codes? I'm happy to write a plugin for mBarcode to allow you to scan the cards and save to your db so that users can do everything on the device. Jul 01 10:02:05 * lardman has been reading some of the DDP entries Jul 01 10:04:47 Is there a list? Jul 01 10:04:51 Oh - just for approved Jul 01 10:05:08 yeah Jul 01 10:11:00 lardman, where is the list? Jul 01 10:11:51 just the standard list here: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia Jul 01 10:11:54 Venemo, your observation about meego uxes is just because they are not yet ready and are just being formulated and evolved Jul 01 10:12:16 lcuk, sure. that is why I say the word "yet" when I talk about them :) Jul 01 10:13:08 lcuk, I have great hopes that one day Intel's UX will be usable on phone screen sizes Jul 01 10:13:48 ahhh if i was a coder ..... :( Jul 01 10:14:03 pfft Jul 01 10:14:09 I don't really like the meego-ux-components Jul 01 10:14:12 But meh Jul 01 10:14:13 :) Jul 01 10:41:15 on the Nokia Developer site, is there any way to know where on the site I see my Launchpad details and even https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_registration.xhtml Jul 01 10:41:44 I filled out the form but cannot find any mention of it on my developer profile so wondering Jul 01 10:41:45 hey guys Jul 01 10:41:50 where can i find quim gil? Jul 01 10:42:19 any1 here from nokia Jul 01 10:42:30 seif_: look for a big stack of n950 applications, and tons of emails. i bet his somewhere in between Jul 01 10:42:32 seif_: qgil is sleeping right now Jul 01 10:42:42 sandst1, well i got accepted Jul 01 10:42:49 lcuk: go to setting, on the right there is developer profile Jul 01 10:42:53 settings* Jul 01 10:42:58 but the issue is i cant get into Jul 01 10:42:58 https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/Join_Program.xhtml?programName=Launchpad%20for%20individuals Jul 01 10:43:01 it tells me Jul 01 10:43:02 lcuk: that is the page Jul 01 10:43:07 There is an existing membership application already for this program. The applicant will be notified by e-mail once the membership application has been reviewed. Jul 01 10:43:11 lcuk: https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml Jul 01 10:43:32 seif_: well that means you've already applied to Launchpad before Jul 01 10:43:38 yeah Jul 01 10:43:43 so how do i continue Jul 01 10:43:48 where do i send my "ID" too Jul 01 10:43:50 to? Jul 01 10:43:52 hiemanshu, ok thanks, so if it says file not found it means I did not complete it Jul 01 10:43:54 sandst1, ^ Jul 01 10:44:03 seif_: you need to talk to someone from Nokia. This channel can't help you... Jul 01 10:44:16 lcuk: well yes Jul 01 10:44:19 thiago, or should i create a new account ? Jul 01 10:44:20 seif_: Reply to the ACCEPTED mail you got from quim with your ID Jul 01 10:44:42 seif_: and about Launchpad, quoting Quim from MeeGo forums: "Don't get nervous about Launchpad now. I'm sending your usernames to Nokia Developer as part of this meego.com DDP, and this puts you in the fast lane." Jul 01 10:44:47 seif_: go to https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml, look for the AID-******* something on the left side, reply to qgil with that and your unsername Jul 01 10:44:51 username* Jul 01 10:45:16 seif_: and then wait Jul 01 10:46:56 ahh yes hiemanshu thanks Jul 01 10:52:58 hiemanshu, done and done Jul 01 10:53:00 thanks alot Jul 01 10:53:01 :) Jul 01 10:53:21 he emailed me yesterday and I regret sending such a verbose email now you point out that he's probably very busy Jul 01 10:54:02 even my application wasn't really verbose, instead I had soemthing working and people testing it already for the N9/N950 Jul 01 10:54:03 I probably should have just said yes I'll open source the app I'm working on rather that a continued sucking up email with a description of all the projects I might be able to work on :-/ Jul 01 10:59:26 I just said, "These projects I'm porting from M5", "This is the stuff I've done for maemo", "This is what I do for meego", kthxbye Jul 01 10:59:31 Mine was very short Jul 01 11:03:27 alterego, morning \o Jul 01 11:04:28 Hello :) Jul 01 11:04:32 How are you today lcuk ? Jul 01 11:06:04 lcuk, how's the new baby? :) Jul 01 11:06:30 alterego, Venemo - good but tired! Jul 01 11:06:59 :) Jul 01 11:07:18 lcuk :) Jul 01 11:09:53 alterego: yup, about the same here Jul 01 11:10:00 lcuk: pics or it didn't happen :P Jul 01 11:10:05 * hiemanshu runs Jul 01 11:11:17 Think I might do some chores, bbiab Jul 01 11:12:52 lcuk, I got so lucky :) it turned out that many people had the same idea as myself for Harmattan, so we began to collaborate and brainstorm about it together Jul 01 11:13:07 Venemo, :D good thing Jul 01 11:13:22 where is this collaboration happening? Jul 01 11:13:39 lcuk, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3711 Jul 01 11:14:13 Venemo, I have seen many transportation ideas Jul 01 11:14:22 Venemo: maybe you can add India to it, google maps already does it though Jul 01 11:14:30 one of the first things I needed in liqbase was a map of the Berlin metro Jul 01 11:26:41 Venemo, nicely laid out pages Jul 01 11:26:55 lcuk, what do you mean? Jul 01 11:28:57 your meego profile pages and harmattanplans Jul 01 11:29:12 ah, that :) Jul 01 11:29:20 thank you lcuk :) Jul 01 11:29:34 what do you think about the contents of them? Jul 01 11:35:50 Venemo, great actually! Jul 01 11:37:22 thank you lcuk :) Jul 01 11:55:51 Jaffa, I'd be interested to hear, how would you apply this terminology to the context of the transport app? http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24246&postcount=23 Jul 01 11:58:55 Venemo: transport app eh? Would it be able to use that format that google got public transport providers to output? would be nice to not need to go to the web to find public transport routes Jul 01 11:59:38 pabs3, sure, if someone implements a provider that reads from google's web service Jul 01 12:01:13 Venemo: I think you misunderstand. the data is exported on the web by the public transport authorities. I was wondering if your app would consume that data and do routing based on it Jul 01 12:01:39 http://code.google.com/transit/spec/transit_feed_specification.html Jul 01 12:01:52 pabs3, yeah, you misunderstood too Jul 01 12:02:01 http://code.google.com/p/googletransitdatafeed/wiki/PublicFeeds Jul 01 12:02:07 oh? Jul 01 12:02:26 pabs3, the app will have an abstract structure and could consume any feed/webservice for which someone writes an implementation (be it Google or other) Jul 01 12:03:05 pabs3, this feed you gave links to looks nice, so I may look into getting it there too :) Jul 01 12:03:29 so do you plan to it leave the routing up to the web service? or do it in the app? Jul 01 12:03:38 cool :) Jul 01 12:03:44 I don't have specific plans for routing, yet Jul 01 12:04:03 the app is still on the sketching board, so any ideas are welcome :) Jul 01 12:04:44 we aim for a simple UI, eg. the user says that "i want to go from here to there" and the app displays whatever results it can find. Jul 01 12:05:04 routing is a good idea Jul 01 12:05:10 ok. I'd definitely like support for downloading/caching GTFS feeds and routing based on that Jul 01 12:05:27 and maybe discover of those feeds via that wiki page Jul 01 12:05:35 s/discover/discovery/ Jul 01 12:05:36 pabs3 meant: and maybe discovery of those feeds via that wiki page Jul 01 12:05:46 pabs3, why don't you add this idea to the thread? Jul 01 12:06:00 will do Jul 01 12:06:29 * Venemo is in the process of making a wiki page for the app Jul 01 12:06:43 also, the goal is to make whatever web service(s) we use transparent to the end user Jul 01 12:08:45 Venemo: added a post Jul 01 12:10:25 thank you pabs3 :) Jul 01 12:11:48 * pabs3 guesses there isn't enough data in openstreetmap for this sort of thing Jul 01 12:12:34 pabs3, I'm planning on using the Qt Mobility maps API Jul 01 12:13:54 ok Jul 01 12:25:19 lcuk, what's your opinion on http://wiki.meego.com/TransportApp/UserExperience ? Jul 01 12:26:44 Venemo, hard to read because image is large and my screen only sends over slow data, hold on Jul 01 12:27:57 Venemo, the wireframe specified has already a number of people in different countries collaborating as you say Jul 01 12:28:17 lcuk, well, none of those people have started thinking GUI yet. Jul 01 12:28:28 things like live bus positions are very related to which country/city is being used Jul 01 12:28:32 lcuk, so I decided to put together a sketch and put it up for discussion Jul 01 12:28:42 indeed :) sketching is always good Jul 01 12:29:07 read http://wiki.meego.com/TransportApp#Under_the_hood if you're interested in how we're going to deal with many different web services Jul 01 12:32:09 the sketch itself is very basic and contains the features which could be used as the basis for the first milestone Jul 01 12:32:13 let's see what the others say Jul 01 12:32:20 also, let's see how serious are they about this project Jul 01 12:33:36 wow, a public transport app for MeeGo, that sounds GREAT Jul 01 12:33:47 especially once someone (e,.g. me) backports it to Fremantle :) Jul 01 12:34:04 jonwil, I don't see why we couldn't target Fremantle as well from start Jul 01 12:34:17 sounds GREAT Jul 01 12:34:27 of course, any contribution is welcome :) Jul 01 12:34:34 What I need is an app that can consume google transit data and do routing on it Jul 01 12:34:38 That would make my life GREAT Jul 01 12:34:43 nah, I'm going to get some luch, brb :) Jul 01 12:34:46 as my transit operator publishes GTFS data Jul 01 12:34:56 wow the n900-ce has nice repsosiveness again :D Jul 01 12:35:08 jonwil, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3711&page=4 and http://wiki.meego.com/TransportApp Jul 01 12:35:34 N9 will wipe the floor with iPhone 5. Jul 01 12:36:26 I've been testing N950 and the device just rocks. Sure, there are a few regressions from N900, but still it works fluently, looks great and so totally pwns any existing phones... Jul 01 12:38:07 Weighs much less than N900 and is much thinner even though it has qwerty and same battery capacity. The display (LCD) has good contrast ratio and my only gripe is that it has capacitive rather than resistive touch screen. Jul 01 12:39:18 Of course Elop could sabotage it. Wrong public statements about the device or lack of marketing could make it fail. Jul 01 12:40:01 Tronic: like the fact that he killed the project and went with windows :( Jul 01 12:40:36 Technically he didn't, even though we know he did in practice (but nothing that couldn't be reversed yet). Jul 01 12:41:47 I only wonder why the analysts keep being so wrong, keeping their eyes on WP7 only. That system is a complete and utter failure. It could barely compete with the first iPhone. Jul 01 12:42:13 I doubt that Mango manages to bring it that much forward. Jul 01 12:42:40 With all that Android revenue, WP7 has a bright future ;) Jul 01 12:43:09 E.g. considering http://html5test.com/ Mango's browser gets raped by all the other mobile browsers while N950 (N9) leads very clearly. Jul 01 12:44:30 Mango renders web correctly while the rest renders it with mistakes! Jul 01 12:48:23 Tronic: grob & qtwebkit developers thank you Jul 01 12:56:13 Hey DawnFoster Jul 01 13:02:03 hey alterego Jul 01 13:03:04 morning DawnFoster :) Jul 01 13:03:41 hey lcuk Jul 01 13:04:06 morning Damion3 Jul 01 13:04:09 d'oh Jul 01 13:04:20 curst you tab completion Jul 01 13:04:26 offs Jul 01 13:04:33 * slaine tries again Jul 01 13:04:37 Morning DawnFoster Jul 01 13:05:10 :) Jul 01 13:06:46 slaine: morning Jul 01 13:06:57 :) Jul 01 13:09:15 oh Jul 01 13:09:21 * Damion3 feels neglected now Jul 01 13:09:27 I was somebodies tab complete mistake Jul 01 13:09:54 Damion3: aren't we all Jul 01 13:12:20 I think neglected is better than being sat on a broken down bus in rural Cambs. :-) Jul 01 13:23:17 lardman: I haven't gotten as far as storing anything yet as I'm just learning Qt. I'll take a look at mBarcode. Jul 01 13:23:47 sjgadsby: just a thought for how users can populate your app's database using the device only Jul 01 13:25:17 lardman: I that's my hope. If I can shake this sinus infection, I'll be trying to get some coding done this weekend, and I'll look at mBarcode then. Right now, my head is in a thick fog though. Jul 01 13:26:05 np, well I can do the mBarcode stuff, write a plugin etc. that will pass the data across Jul 01 13:26:13 anyway hope you're feeling better soon! :) Jul 01 13:37:20 which Qt api would be best to use to check a website for updates? Jul 01 13:37:31 ie to keep data in sync Jul 01 13:39:07 lcuk, depends. what would be the purpose of such a thing? Jul 01 13:39:32 diary sync Jul 01 13:39:57 to let me write entries on one device and have them arrive on the other Jul 01 13:40:02 house->mobile etc Jul 01 13:40:21 mhm Jul 01 13:40:39 so you have a web service with which you can sync all them? Jul 01 13:40:44 yes Jul 01 13:41:02 i created that a couple of years ago Jul 01 13:41:07 see the QtNetwork module and the QNetworkAccessManager class Jul 01 13:41:28 thanks Jul 01 13:42:06 QNetworkAccessManager can do GET and POST and other HTTP operations Jul 01 13:43:01 yeah Venemo I am reading now \o Jul 01 13:43:30 lcuk, if you tell me more about what kind of web service it is, I could help you more :) Jul 01 13:44:14 Venemo, qt build of liqcalendar Jul 01 13:44:48 I'm interested in the web service Jul 01 13:47:08 Venemo, it was something I started to setup a long time ago http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png Jul 01 13:47:34 nice Jul 01 13:47:38 but my skills at development were poor and I did not know how to progress it Jul 01 13:49:01 the pieces are all there though and will be usable to get sync for calendar diary etc working across maemo meego symbian devices :) Jul 01 13:49:26 * lcuk also considered a html5 web sketch editor too Jul 01 13:49:34 so that windows phone could be included :) Jul 01 13:50:00 lcuk: you did liqtorch? Jul 01 13:50:09 Damion3, :) yes Jul 01 13:50:31 I have a line added to the shell wrapper that starts it which runs a sudo echo 255 in to /sys something to make the screen bright Jul 01 13:50:46 you might want it Jul 01 13:51:09 but more importantly can you get rid of the midway screen with the green button? I only need to start the app and quit the app. Jul 01 13:51:16 Damion3, of course, but I never needed more than what was there Jul 01 13:51:22 of course that would be possible :) Jul 01 13:51:58 Damion3, on my ideapad it lights up the entire room! Jul 01 13:55:02 I was going to try and do it with just spawning an osso-xterm with all white text Jul 01 13:55:16 but your app was the easiest way rto get a fully plain white full screen Jul 01 13:56:13 you need to be able to sudo echo 255 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness Jul 01 13:57:52 probably want to read what it was before. Annoyingly this means having to edit the sudo stuff in your .deb to handle it. Come to think of it it's probably possible using dbus to do it properly. Jul 01 14:05:57 Damion3, it would indeed be better to use the dbus api Jul 01 14:07:41 if it's exposed via that Jul 01 14:07:45 ooooh CONGRATULATIONS! Jul 01 14:07:55 heh Jul 01 14:08:02 thank you Jul 01 14:09:09 sorry I mean me Jul 01 14:09:22 in that I have an email with that wording in it :) Jul 01 14:09:34 * lcuk has been hearing that a lot last few days Jul 01 14:17:51 hi, is it possible to install meego on any kind of tablet with an arm processor? is there a hw list on the site (I couldn't find)? Jul 01 14:18:43 dantti, http://wiki.meego.com/Devices Jul 01 14:18:44 dantti: best supported is the n900 which is not exactly a tablet... Jul 01 14:19:22 bbiab Jul 01 14:19:42 dantti: then there are some builds floating around for various devices. archos tablets with TI3430 and TI3630. Tegra tablets. nothing is officially supported in any way though Jul 01 14:20:11 dm8tbr: do you know dealextreme? is there some cheap tablet that can run it? Jul 01 14:21:17 I have a client that would probably buy some tablets to run my app, which is made in qt so afaik meego would be best over android... Jul 01 14:22:24 errrrr, no Jul 01 14:22:29 dantti: select a hardware and then do the work to make it run Jul 01 14:24:38 hey thiago, well I have no idea how to make it work on different archs, is it too hard ? Jul 01 14:25:19 I don't know either Jul 01 14:25:24 dantti: also check matthew garret's tablet GPL compliance list, otherwise drivers may be problematic Jul 01 14:25:26 it's easier if you have support from the manufacturer Jul 01 14:26:43 pabs3: where do I find that? Jul 01 14:27:06 http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/android_tablets/ Jul 01 14:28:42 thanks Jul 01 14:28:44 is the wiki login problem a known issue? Jul 01 14:41:31 urghhhhh realisation... 69 people... 18 devices :( Jul 01 14:41:55 :/ Jul 01 14:42:38 I've asked for a reconsideration of my refusal on the grounds that they might not have used the most up to date version of my project page. But it's looking unlikely. Jul 01 14:43:01 A bit more than 250 devices would have gotten in a significant number more productive devs I think. Jul 01 14:43:07 you got refused? eek that does not bode well for me Jul 01 14:43:13 * TSCHAKeee hugs SpeedEvil Jul 01 14:43:19 SpeedEvil: 251 devices? Jul 01 14:43:25 My application was crap. Jul 01 14:43:29 http://wiki.meego.com/User_talk:Speedevil/Projects Jul 01 14:43:34 In terms of apps Jul 01 14:44:04 It was really a platform application with some apps tacked thiny to the top as disguise. Jul 01 14:44:05 a hell of alot better then mine! Jul 01 14:44:39 wait till you see mine :P Jul 01 14:44:42 I needed to write it up anyway for other applications. Jul 01 14:45:10 so I am expecting the list will be done today? Jul 01 14:45:38 Well - I'd guess they'll do one more winnowing, then maybe pick the winners out of a hat. Jul 01 14:45:52 how many applications were there? Jul 01 14:46:03 I think it was 680 Jul 01 14:46:07 Damion3: 600-ish Jul 01 14:46:08 Or so Jul 01 14:46:10 I doubt there are more than 500 people who are THAT fanatical, surely they could have given phones to all of them Jul 01 14:46:11 or 608 Jul 01 14:46:15 something like that. Jul 01 14:46:40 SpeedEvil: or maybe waiting for the rebutals from people? Jul 01 14:46:42 how many are going to corporations? I mean how many devices is it rumoured actually exist? Jul 01 14:46:45 ~180 or so were totally out of spec - applying as commercial devs. Jul 01 14:46:54 Damion3: Interesting question. Jul 01 14:47:28 noobmonk3y: Care to share your project page? Jul 01 14:47:31 i heard nokia produced ~10k N950 and then stopped the productio Jul 01 14:47:42 lol would rather people didn't laught at it! :) Jul 01 14:47:49 PM if you want. :) Jul 01 14:48:13 no proposal for a fart app yet ? Jul 01 14:48:13 My first N950 blog entry (use Google Translate or something) http://tronic.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/77160-voiko-elop-estaa-n9a-kaappaamasta-iphonen-markkinat Jul 01 14:48:35 SpeedEvil: u mean the application page? Jul 01 14:48:43 TheBootroo: Damn - let me add that to my proposal! Jul 01 14:48:54 as my project stuff is all still on Maemo until i get my ass in gear and move it across to meego :0 Jul 01 14:48:59 Tronic: why don't you post directly in english? Jul 01 14:49:00 noobmonk3y: you had to link to a project page in the application. Jul 01 14:49:13 N950 surprise ohuudellaan and light weight, both of which it is like hell N900 aa better Jul 01 14:49:36 SpeedEvil: I linked to my github page Jul 01 14:49:57 Tronic: you have a N950? Jul 01 14:51:25 oh i linked to all of my current project maemo pages etc Jul 01 14:51:28 doh! Jul 01 14:51:38 well i'm still in there, i hope they realised how dappy i am ;) Jul 01 14:51:56 What maemo apps have you got - I forgot. Jul 01 14:52:07 i coulda linked to git, homepage, maemo etc, but i just linked to one :| Jul 01 14:52:15 healthcheck, maecount Jul 01 14:52:18 and helped with many others Jul 01 14:52:52 healthcheck had a few variants, as i had never coded in python, qt, etc etc so started on python, then moved to qt :) Jul 01 14:52:59 Well - to be fair - I think the limit of coding public for a n900 I've done was an bash one-liner that did a knight rider effect on the keyboard LEDs. Jul 01 14:53:01 so the new version could be portable :) Jul 01 14:53:15 SpeedEvil: what on earth did they reject you on? Jul 01 14:53:19 hehehe!! :) Jul 01 14:53:19 Which was cool - but possibly not a very useful app. Jul 01 14:53:19 lol speed i almost incorporated that into hc ;) Jul 01 14:53:23 i coverted it to python ;) Jul 01 14:53:27 Damion3: Out of spec, I suspect. Jul 01 14:53:36 'applications, applications, applications' Jul 01 14:53:45 And to be fiar - I haven't actually written any for the n900 Jul 01 14:53:58 meh.... they are taking into account more then that though :) - reputation is included etc Jul 01 14:54:12 I've been doing wiki, and IRC support stuff. As well as pointing lots of people to resources. Jul 01 14:54:12 SpeedEvil: yuo really did K2000 effect for N900 with keyboard backlight ? Jul 01 14:54:24 yup that would gelp Jul 01 14:54:30 help* Jul 01 14:54:48 I think I caused several applications indirectly. Certainly was one of the early people pushing for usb-host Jul 01 14:55:02 :) :) Jul 01 14:55:18 well doc and Mo both have their N950's on the way! Jul 01 14:55:24 are the accelerometers good enough for inertial navigation? Jul 01 14:55:26 Would love to see if it's possible on the n9 Jul 01 14:55:32 berndhs: No. Jul 01 14:56:18 berndhs: The error is on the order of a centimeter a second a second. This means that after a minute, you're 60cm/s out, with 36m position error. Jul 01 14:56:30 Assuming the device is held in a known orintation. Jul 01 14:56:45 right Jul 01 14:57:04 It's not useless for very, very short term use, or gesture recognition - but much beyond that - no. Jul 01 14:57:08 and most of the data you get would be noise from handling the device Jul 01 14:57:49 does the mail client of harmattan support threaded conversations like gmail does ? Jul 01 14:58:28 i think so :P Jaffa will tell ya tho ;) Jul 01 14:59:59 TheBootroo: no, it doesn't Jul 01 15:00:12 thiago: too bad Jul 01 15:00:21 will have to develop my own the Jul 01 15:00:23 *then Jul 01 15:00:28 thiago: :-( Jul 01 15:00:54 TheBootroo: Make a Google Mail client (i.e. supports delete/archive/report spam) and conversations (rather than full threading) Jul 01 15:01:00 But backed my QMF's IMAP support Jul 01 15:03:27 Jaffa: would be based on Trojita code Jul 01 15:03:41 * Jaffa doesn't know it. Jul 01 15:03:42 QMF is soo unstable and uncomplete Jul 01 15:04:05 Jaffa: i helped this guy to port this program on maemo 5 http://trojita.flaska.net/ Jul 01 15:04:07 TheBootroo: Got IMAP IDLE support, which is quite nice. Jul 01 15:04:17 (as a feature, no idea about the implementation) Jul 01 15:04:20 Jaffa: trojita has it too Jul 01 15:05:00 trojita may be the best mail client at the day, excluding it supoort only IMAP, no SMTP, and the desktop ui is poor Jul 01 15:05:15 The commercial dev program for companies pay for their n950s? Jul 01 15:06:26 SpeedEvil, I don't think so. On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me though Jul 01 15:06:33 Jaffa: but mobile UX by myself looked great https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng/blobs/master/images/my_harmattan-like_apps/Trojita.png Jul 01 15:06:40 and i will enhance it yet a lot Jul 01 15:08:33 TheBootroo, coincidence that your custom MeeGo UX bottom bar looks almost exactly the same as the bottom bar on that UI? :p Jul 01 15:08:36 TheBootroo: That does look good. Jul 01 15:09:11 Termana: no coincidence here , its all my own UX concept so i follow it in all my apps Jul 01 15:10:59 Termana: you can look at several screenshots of my Qt mobile apps here https://gitorious.org/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng/meego-community-mobile-ux-ng/trees/master/images/my_harmattan-like_apps Jul 01 15:11:22 you will see kinda looking-like between them Jul 01 15:11:36 i like consistency Jul 01 15:12:05 i'm baking a small toolkit with all my custom classes to speed up mobile ux development in plain Qt Jul 01 15:12:28 no opengl needed, no qml, no meegotouch, only pure QtCore + QtGui Jul 01 15:15:04 Why are you using QtGui when it's being deprecated? Jul 01 15:15:20 alterego: QtGui is not deprecated Jul 01 15:15:25 it will never be Jul 01 15:15:28 It is being deprecated Jul 01 15:15:31 Yes it is Jul 01 15:15:33 its from the base of qt Jul 01 15:15:40 It's being deprecated in Qt5 Jul 01 15:15:50 And it will probably be removed in some 5.x series Jul 01 15:15:54 Or maybe 6 Jul 01 15:15:55 if qt forces dev to use QML i'll leave qt Jul 01 15:16:03 bye :) Jul 01 15:16:07 i won't use QML Jul 01 15:16:08 * alterego chuckles Jul 01 15:16:25 Well, that's your perogative, no one is going to want to use your code if it isn't QML :P Jul 01 15:16:34 i'll maintain a new framework based on Qt4.8 qwidget Jul 01 15:16:47 For how long, and for what purpose? Jul 01 15:17:09 alterego: because i'm not sure C++ Qt devs should use fricking Javascript for developping apps Jul 01 15:17:13 really too slow Jul 01 15:17:21 and i dont like the syntac Jul 01 15:17:23 *x Jul 01 15:17:37 Not liking syntax is a silly argument. Jul 01 15:17:45 And where would Javascript be noticably slower? Jul 01 15:17:52 and QML isn't as complete as QtWidget, and dont support CSS Jul 01 15:18:02 QML doesn't mean no C++, it just helps you seperate UI with application logic. Jul 01 15:18:14 So, why should CSS even be _in_ a UI framework .. Jul 01 15:18:19 (except HTML5 of course) Jul 01 15:18:24 alterego: JAvascript is noticeably slower since is not compilated binary code Jul 01 15:18:29 alterego: Don't feed the troll :P Jul 01 15:18:33 TheBootroo: where is it slower? Jul 01 15:18:42