**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 03 02:59:57 2011 Jul 03 04:45:54 :) Jul 03 10:28:50 alterego, is there a multiselect photo dialog in qt? Jul 03 10:29:16 Nope Jul 03 10:29:26 Like an Icon view? Jul 03 10:29:47 yeah, like the liqbase postcard select Jul 03 10:30:19 I think there must be a QGridVidew Jul 03 10:30:25 QGridView .. Jul 03 10:30:33 http://liqbase.net/liq.20100703_202453.liqpostcard_choose.scr.png Jul 03 10:30:38 like that ^ Jul 03 10:31:34 * lcuk looking at qt application ideas Jul 03 10:34:41 lcuk: what you'd do is find a view class which does a grid view. Jul 03 10:34:49 Then you'd create a thumbnail delegate Jul 03 10:35:00 and supply a thumbnail model to the view. Jul 03 10:35:06 And it'd just work :) Jul 03 10:35:22 This is quite easily doable in QML btw Jul 03 10:37:24 it is also quite complicated, I do not mind the technology but I think I will just use the standard system dialog Jul 03 10:37:28 it will be simpler :) Jul 03 10:38:21 Neah, not complicated. Jul 03 10:38:41 Oh, you want a dialog, what are you targetting? Jul 03 10:39:56 alterego, nokia devices, n900 n8 n9 etc Jul 03 11:47:10 Seems that in the latest MeeGo 1.2 repos there's no geography software. Jul 03 11:47:37 Neither marble nor a replacement is packaged and provided. Jul 03 11:48:30 I wonder how well Google Earth works on Atom, if it installs cleanly on MeeGo. Jul 03 12:51:02 do you know if there's some blog post around that explains the differences between all the multitouch input protocols? Jul 03 12:51:52 I'm reading the kernel docs and they sait not to use the tracking id as a "slot" mechanism, which is exactly the way the Harmattan Qt treats it. Jul 03 12:59:04 harmattan uses an old kernel Jul 03 13:01:30 we are working on a newer one for meego ce port though Jul 03 13:02:09 can I safely assume that any such platform will also have XInput 2.1? Jul 03 13:02:14 *newer platform Jul 03 13:02:19 no Jul 03 13:02:22 it's not out yet Jul 03 13:02:27 we'll switch to Wayland before Jul 03 13:02:36 hm. Jul 03 13:03:07 XInput 2.1 is dead-on-arrival for me. It was supposed to be released with the January release of X.org to be relevant. Jul 03 13:04:27 hm.. will start with the harmattan way for the time being. Jul 03 13:05:01 ta! Jul 03 13:05:16 you're welcome Jul 03 13:19:10 FYI, 10% off memory cards at play.com, cheaper cards to put MeeGo on :) Jul 03 13:27:02 So, given that XInput2 has not "arrived on time", what is the alternative? Jul 03 13:27:09 hacks Jul 03 13:27:50 harmattan uses a hacked XInput2.0, which is what we have in MeeGo 1.2 Jul 03 13:28:02 So, is it bad? Jul 03 13:28:13 Given that it is still XInput2? Jul 03 13:28:16 it works, it's what we could do in time Jul 03 13:29:54 RST38h: from what I understand, XInput2.0 mostly just maps what the kernel outputs, and there are up to three kernel protocols (harmattan, official type a, official type b) Jul 03 13:30:09 while XInput2.1 tries to do a bit more work (it has beingtouch events, etc) Jul 03 13:30:18 *begintouch Jul 03 13:30:26 XInput 2.0 was created for Multi-Pointer X Jul 03 13:30:47 which didn't get much of an adoption. It doesn't support multiple touch points for the same pointer. Jul 03 13:32:49 I'd bet they wanted each touch to be a different pointer. Jul 03 13:33:09 but this was horribly hard frm the toolkit PoV Jul 03 13:33:11 they wanted multiple mice and multiple keyboard Jul 03 13:33:20 with multiple focus and active windows Jul 03 13:35:23 * CosmoHill looks at the Blackberry 9105 Jul 03 13:35:50 either way, the harmattan way doesn't look very bad. Jul 03 13:39:42 cool, pcie_aspm=force in the start commands do work. Jul 03 13:44:54 §qaz Jul 03 13:49:08 thiago, sounds complex Jul 03 13:54:29 hey lcuk Jul 03 13:55:40 hiya javispedro \o Jul 03 13:56:02 all right around? :) Jul 03 13:56:46 this reminds me I need to check all this xinput stuff on ideapad. Jul 03 13:56:52 javispedro, tiring! Jul 03 13:57:02 lcuk: I bet :) Jul 03 13:59:16 javispedro, the SDL stuff should be a nice and easy port Jul 03 13:59:35 well, I'm adding MT support to it. Jul 03 13:59:49 more complex then! Jul 03 13:59:55 how well do the apps seem to integrate? Jul 03 14:00:20 well, look good enough on sbox -- swipe works for example :) Jul 03 14:00:31 that is good Jul 03 14:01:04 when I have been sat down I have been looking around qt stuff Jul 03 14:01:13 can't wait to be able to do the booby test on a SDL app ;) Jul 03 14:01:22 heh Jul 03 14:04:33 with multitouch no doubt? Jul 03 14:04:49 and with tactile...feedback? Jul 03 14:08:42 tactile feedback is planned =) Jul 03 14:09:01 but for now just different colors for each finger. Jul 03 16:20:38 how many upgrades will the SSD's be able to do on the ExoPC within their 3hree year "lifespan" ? Jul 03 16:21:50 hello.. I search tablet version, where is it? Jul 03 16:21:53 please Jul 03 16:22:00 * npm begins to worry after upgrading yesterday, and then upgrading again today... hopes for kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-8.19 Jul 03 16:22:22 niala: http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/MeeGo:1.2:oss.repo Jul 03 16:22:27 is what i'm upgrading to Jul 03 16:23:01 thank you npm Jul 03 16:23:06 also http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/non-oss/MeeGo_1.2/MeeGo:1.2:non-oss.repo Jul 03 16:23:21 there's also a 1.2.0 with an update directory in the same hierarchy Jul 03 16:23:26 might be safer ? Jul 03 16:23:43 or may just more bugs :-) Jul 03 16:23:59 s/may/maybe Jul 03 16:24:47 fyi -- upgrades go much faster if you init 3 ... something in the UX runs interrupts constantly Jul 03 16:24:57 niala: https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview Jul 03 16:25:24 ok Elleo that's it thank you Jul 03 16:25:50 Elleo: that would give you a very sucky tablet UX Jul 03 16:26:20 the one that needed to be upgraded from almost right away Jul 03 16:26:54 what is mfld? mrst? Jul 03 16:26:55 because it suggests http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail Jul 03 16:27:18 different chips. you want "kernel adaptation pinetrail" on an typical atom Jul 03 16:27:34 ^^ niala Jul 03 16:28:26 in fact i have a netbook (atom) with touchscreen. I'va already install one version but I don't remember which version. Jul 03 16:29:25 the pinetrail version gives you a later kernel with fewer bugs imho Jul 03 16:31:38 * npm misses gtkish goodness of meegotouch-inputmethodbridges-0.2.3-1.6.i586.rpm Jul 03 16:35:07 hi, a question: does latest Meego play video files flawlessly? I mean, just creating the simplest possilbe QtMultimedia or Phonon-based video player, does it work properly, no playback problems? Jul 03 16:35:36 depends on the video file and on the hardware Jul 03 16:37:37 well, I guess I'll have to just install Meego on the device and try Jul 03 16:38:39 hyde_: http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube/ works ok for most internet video, however sometimes it pauses, whereas with a wired connection it doesn't .... Jul 03 16:38:47 hyde_, by default (because of license) there is no mp3 divx and so Jul 03 16:39:11 see http://wiki.meego.com/tubelet-and-cutetube-port Jul 03 16:40:26 actually, i'd like to have somene try with a typical meego install and tell me how it fails due to missing codecs, etc. Jul 03 16:44:27 to have mp3 etc to work you must re-compil gstreamer et gstreamer-plugin Jul 03 16:45:28 hmm, is there USB-bootable image suitable for all-in-one-type touch screen PC? Jul 03 16:45:47 (also has USB ports so touch screen support irrelevant for testing) Jul 03 16:46:11 hyde_, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ Jul 03 16:46:58 libzypp says it depends on Qt-3 Jul 03 16:47:03 3 !! Jul 03 16:47:53 libzypp is a joker Jul 03 16:47:54 to have mp3/etc, you install from fedora :-) http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem Jul 03 16:48:11 yea well, libzypp is needed for mic Jul 03 16:48:46 as in bug 19612 Jul 03 16:48:50 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19612 nor, Undecided, ---, jian-feng.ding, NEW, mic2 missing dependency python-zypp on fedora-15 repo Jul 03 16:50:49 hyde_: per my experience porting qmltube, "the simplest possilbe QtMultimedia or Phonon-based video player" works properly if you use QGLWidget as wrapper... Jul 03 16:50:55 e.g. http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube/main.cpp Jul 03 16:51:58 ^^^ pls code-review this oh experts of qt-and-gl-ness Jul 03 16:55:42 npm, niala, thanks Jul 03 16:56:09 just getting mic2, which I presume I need for using the .img file Jul 03 16:59:11 to use .img file you only need 'dd' Jul 03 17:00:05 ah Jul 03 17:01:02 ha, found Intel android/robot figure USB stick, just perfect for testing Meego... plus I can rip out it's arms and legs one by one if it doesn't work ;-) Jul 03 17:02:01 ...so, I'll be using mic2 to create my own .img, if I determine that Meego works for my purpose and want to create a custom image? Jul 03 17:04:04 hyde_, a tips like: dd if=/repertory/file.img of=/dev/usbxx Jul 03 17:05:23 and then boot usb Jul 03 17:07:35 niala, yeah, I'm familiar with dd... :-). but a question: why did you link to 20110517, and not 20110607? Jul 03 17:08:05 ie. is that later image known to be... less good, or just by random chance? Jul 03 17:08:12 euh... i don't know Jul 03 17:08:16 :) Jul 03 17:15:39 and why not 0701... Jul 03 17:15:57 perhaps you prefer "vintage meego" ?? Jul 03 17:16:17 maybe he did it on 20110518 Jul 03 17:18:18 hyde_, http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Release_Versioning Jul 03 17:22:50 niala, cool. npm, there's no 0701, as far as I can find. Jul 03 17:23:03 0628 seems to be the newest Jul 03 17:25:33 ...also, just to make sure: the .imgs at repo.meego.com are something which boot to the OS from the USB stick, and not something which overwrite first hard disk to install a bootable image there? :-) Jul 03 17:26:17 Elleo: I was finally able to setup Scratchbox+QtCreator and run a simple Harmattan hello world :) Jul 03 17:26:46 hyde_, right Jul 03 17:29:06 (reading wiki), hmm, the mic2 wiki page shows how to create .usbimg image. Is that image different from the .img available for download, or same thing with different extension? Jul 03 17:30:21 same thing, .ks is to personnalise your image Jul 03 17:30:33 Elleo: but I'm not able to run (but it compiles perfectly) your libre.fm client. I think the problem is that the compiled binary is copied in a different location then my test project... Jul 03 17:35:16 Andy80: is it dynamic library loading problem, plugin loading problem, qml loading problem, or something else? Jul 03 17:37:27 hyde_: QtCreator simply cannot find the executable inside Scratchbox. Anyway if I try to execute it from inside Scratchbox I have an error anyway: http://pastebin.com/85jNt1qD Jul 03 17:39:10 hyde_: probably Elleo is using some particular configuration in QtCreator.... because creating a simple new project works. Jul 03 17:40:49 Where are the MeeGo Tablet UX packages in OBS? I would like to fork them, but I cannot find them. Jul 03 17:42:12 Trunk Jul 03 17:42:18 or devel:ux Jul 03 17:57:02 Stskeeps, Unable to find package 'meego-ux-appgrid' in project 'MeeGo:Trunk'. Jul 03 17:58:18 Andy80: I setup the run configuration to run ./src/librefm iirc Jul 03 17:58:50 alternatively you can build it as a debian package and install it system wide with icon and such Jul 03 17:58:56 found it in MeeGo.com Trunk Jul 03 17:59:10 why isn't it searchable in community OBS ui? Jul 03 17:59:17 although you may need to change the qml path in the source first Jul 03 18:10:31 Elleo: using ./src/librefm works, thank you :) Jul 03 18:17:24 Andy80: great :) Jul 03 18:17:49 none of the new station stuff is done yet, so it's pretty much hardwired to just letting you listen to a few of my stations :P Jul 03 18:18:58 Elleo: err.... just some coredump problems :P http://pastebin.com/2tvBpeQ7 Jul 03 18:19:27 Elleo: but don't worry, it's growing well :) Jul 03 18:22:17 Andy80: yeah, it doesn't yet deal with scenarios where it gets an empty list (where there isn't enough content, etc.) Jul 03 18:29:27 ok, it booted, now I just need to enable mouse pointer.. Jul 03 18:29:31 any suggestions? Jul 03 18:29:54 quick googling showed it may not be as trivial as I thought, but maybe I just didn't find the right page Jul 03 18:31:45 smoku: MeeGo.com: Jul 03 18:32:50 Stskeeps: back from your vacation? Jul 03 18:38:15 dm8tbr: in .dk still but working from my dads for a little Jul 03 18:47:30 ...ok, continuing with stupid questions... how to restart X on Meego? (from command line as root, for instance) Jul 03 18:48:24 hyde_: uxstart does that for you Jul 03 18:49:07 there's only uxlaunch (and uxterm, which probably has nothing to do with meego ux stuff...) Jul 03 18:50:48 ...which killed X, but hasn't yet restarted it Jul 03 18:51:29 killall Xorg? Jul 03 18:52:26 killall uxlaunch at least recovered situation Jul 03 18:52:31 and I got my mouse cursor :-) Jul 03 19:00:43 next question: how do I get out of the browser? using mouse or keyboard, that is (tablet ux)... Jul 03 19:04:02 oh well, now it froze totally Jul 03 19:04:18 (when opening browser options, after showing them) Jul 03 19:07:16 ...the tablet ux is supposed to be basically usable, right? (I mean for the stuff it has software for, such as web browsing) Jul 03 19:09:45 hmm, one more thing. Is there a reason the image reseted system clock to some date in May? Jul 03 19:10:22 ie. is it intentional, or bug-type "feature"? :-) Jul 03 19:27:31 bug proble Jul 03 19:30:30 hyde_, do you have a keyboard? Jul 03 20:07:14 niala: plugged both mouse and kb to standard usb hub Jul 03 22:57:02 * CosmoHill has 61p credit left Jul 03 22:59:36 * MSM steals Jul 04 00:46:01 I'll probably feel more optimistic if I eat something Jul 04 02:46:49 ugh someone kicked off a world rebuild Jul 04 02:50:34 wasn't me, at least that I know of :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 04 02:59:57 2011