**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 04 02:59:57 2011 Jul 04 03:02:37 so has anyone dealt with the qt-components project at all? Jul 04 03:09:28 antman8969, in the Qt SDK, not the Nokians. Jul 04 03:10:59 lol I actually don't quite understand that statement. You've tried it using the SDK? Jul 04 03:11:34 Yes. Jul 04 03:11:45 using the meego touch stuff as well? Jul 04 03:11:47 I haven't delt with the adminstrative part of the project. Jul 04 03:11:54 ah Jul 04 03:11:59 thats fine Jul 04 03:12:04 No MeeGo touch. Jul 04 03:13:28 I couldn't get it running on my system so I couldn't test anything. Does the plain qt-components part give off a "native" look and feel? Jul 04 03:13:35 across platforms Jul 04 03:16:02 On Harmattan Jul 04 03:16:12 Not across platforms as far as I know. Jul 04 03:16:33 But we are expected to use it when developing for harmattan, correct? Jul 04 03:17:29 what I'm getting at is... I feel like this QML interface implementation is going to cause a lot of cross platform problems for anyone who wants a native look and feel for their application Jul 04 03:19:46 Yeah, well, Intel went and developed their shit behind the wall Jul 04 03:20:14 and Nokia closed their open shit to hide their UI developments. Jul 04 03:20:27 End point is devs being screwed. Jul 04 03:21:08 great! Jul 04 03:21:38 on a lesser note, you said you played around with qt-components a bit. I"m assuming from the git repo? Jul 04 03:22:00 It's all using qtquick 1.1.... did you also download that from the 4.8 snapshot? Jul 04 03:22:16 just testing out the components is such a hassle Jul 04 03:22:28 does the qt-component stuff from git build on anything publicly available ? Jul 04 03:22:58 lol is it understood that is isnt? I have on idea, I couldn't get it to build on lucid.... Jul 04 03:23:14 and there are a few bloggers with screen shots up so I'm not sure.. Jul 04 03:23:41 im sure the developers can build it, but i dont know what they use for hosts Jul 04 03:23:58 and i dont really trust bloggers :) Jul 04 03:24:02 lol Jul 04 03:24:37 I had hoped to get it up and running so that I can experiment a little Jul 04 03:24:51 have everything ready long before n9 launches.. Jul 04 03:25:09 if I indeed do need to code my ui in QML that is Jul 04 03:25:24 i try every couple weeks or so to build it, but both the git and my system keep changing Jul 04 03:26:19 there are some issues even with the 4.7.2 stuff and gcc 4.6 I think Jul 04 03:26:54 but i cant isolate it enough for decent bug reports Jul 04 03:27:37 what are you doing (in terms of UI) in the mean time? Jul 04 03:27:56 i use basic qml, make my own buttons Jul 04 03:28:33 i dont have earth shakingly complex guis, so its not a big deal Jul 04 03:29:11 but i'm sure the purists will say i', doing it wrong :) Jul 04 03:29:27 I've done the same, but it clearly isn't native... uneasy about continueing development thinking that I'll have to replace all of my components Jul 04 03:30:01 oh yes, my stuff is purely my own brand, doesnt fit with anything Jul 04 03:30:34 lol Jul 04 03:30:45 but I'm not going to make any money off it, so why should i make it look like Nokia wrote it Jul 04 03:31:02 or HTC or somebody else Jul 04 03:31:02 lol good point Jul 04 03:31:06 screenshot or it didn't happen ;) Jul 04 03:49:08 cant get mic to work :( Jul 04 03:59:32 morning Jul 04 04:02:25 almost, 1 more minute Jul 04 04:12:20 ah well, so I'll have bad dreams, so what Jul 04 04:12:36 good night Jul 04 05:44:34 morning Jul 04 05:59:58 from what i can read here http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes.html Jul 04 06:00:09 N950 software will be really buggy Jul 04 06:00:55 missing programs, missing icons, unfinished theme, drain battery problems, echo in calls, performance optimization not done yet Jul 04 06:01:15 so the question is : is there any updated to come ? Jul 04 06:03:18 you mean running MeeGo handset on it? Jul 04 06:03:36 no Jul 04 06:03:42 or the trademark bastardized maemo? Jul 04 06:03:56 i talk about official software that the N950 comes with Jul 04 06:04:05 yeah, ok, so maemo Jul 04 06:04:20 i talk about maemo6/meego bastard aka harmattan Jul 04 06:04:21 where was the list of the people, getting N950? Jul 04 06:04:31 iekku on the wiki Jul 04 06:04:33 i'm in Jul 04 06:04:37 really? Jul 04 06:04:47 TheBootroo, nice :D Jul 04 06:05:05 i was trying to find the url, but got it already Jul 04 06:05:31 http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia#Accepted Jul 04 06:12:28 TheBootroo, thanks! Jul 04 06:20:22 i started a blog about N950 and will fill it as soon i'll have the device Jul 04 06:20:24 http://mynokian950.blogspot.com/ Jul 04 06:22:35 TheBootroo: nice Jul 04 06:22:56 flat`: not exactly yet, but it will come Jul 04 06:27:00 first post i'll write will likely be a "true or false" Q/A about the N950 (hard and soft), and a photo shot, then a first try of a custom app on the device Jul 04 06:28:15 TheBootroo, your suppose to blog about the development process, not about the device Jul 04 06:28:31 Termana: both in facts Jul 04 06:29:16 I'd reread the LLA/PLA before posting too much about the device, as it's not supposed to go on sale Jul 04 06:29:32 so i will present the device and separate truth from bullshit, about n9 vs N950, harmattan vs meego, nokia and MS... Jul 04 06:29:57 and then i'll post dev info as soon i'm progressing Jul 04 06:30:14 dm8tbr: will not go on sale Jul 04 06:30:30 dm8tbr: but you have to post about your experience with the device Jul 04 06:31:14 TheBootroo: I'm just saying, there are rules you sign off to get the device, you better actually read and understand them. Jul 04 06:31:37 dm8tbr: i know i already read them Jul 04 06:32:12 i can't put the firmware on the web but i can/must blog about the device to make some ad for nokia harmattan Jul 04 06:32:37 that's the deal, they need to gain something when giving us the device for free Jul 04 06:33:03 so free ads on 100's of blog means epic win for them Jul 04 06:33:23 i'm looking forward to others future N950 owners blogs Jul 04 06:33:39 does someone already received his ? Jul 04 06:34:35 those who already had an launchpad account Jul 04 06:34:51 TheBootroo, plenty of people have N950s at the moment, but only one person who went through the community device program Jul 04 06:35:02 dm8tbr: i had and account since 29 jaunuray 2009 Jul 04 06:35:08 and don't have it yet Jul 04 06:35:17 Termana: ok Jul 04 06:35:28 Termana: other are beta tester from nokia internal ? Jul 04 06:35:34 TheBootroo: then you should get it soon, if you put the info on the wiki and replied to that email Jul 04 06:35:39 like Jaffa .. Jul 04 06:36:01 so one DevKit applier already received it ? could not be too long for us so.... Jul 04 06:36:46 Termana: do you have link to a blog post for that ? Jul 04 06:37:05 TheBootroo, Jaffa was testing the process for Quim (according to Quim) Jul 04 06:37:19 Jaffa is the only one through the community device program that has one Jul 04 06:37:30 Termana: ah ok Jul 04 06:37:33 Others got them from a Nokia meetup in Helsinki (AFAIK) Jul 04 06:37:56 (You can see that some people withdrew from the community device program because of this) Jul 04 06:38:09 Termana: one day i would like to go in finland for a nokia / qt event Jul 04 06:39:14 dont go in winter, friggen cold Jul 04 06:39:15 :P Jul 04 06:39:18 You probably won't see any movement in the process until at least Tuesday. Jul 04 06:39:24 Termana: from photos it seems N950 is a bit thinner than N900 ? is it an optical illusion because of the N950 is larger so seems thinner ? Jul 04 06:39:24 Stskeeps, :P Jul 04 06:39:37 TheBootroo, don't have a clue sorry. Jul 04 06:39:45 Stskeeps: i love cold don't support warmth Jul 04 06:39:55 Stskeeps: i stayed 1 year in POland Jul 04 06:40:09 and prefer the winter of poland to the summer in france Jul 04 06:40:20 i'm better at -20 than at 20 Jul 04 06:40:23 ;-) Jul 04 06:40:26 * dm8tbr prefers finnish winter over polish winter Jul 04 06:40:37 polish winter is too wet Jul 04 06:40:56 dm8tbr: yes Jul 04 06:41:08 finland is really dry? Jul 04 06:41:16 Gee, I like warmth. On the other hand, I would really like to go to the snow, since it (basically) doesn't snow here Jul 04 06:42:08 Termana: yeah snow is cool stuff, i've seen a lot in poland Jul 04 06:43:05 i'm planning to come living in Finland in 6 or 8 years Jul 04 06:43:20 do you recommand helsinki as a good home city ? Jul 04 06:45:32 TheBootroo, if that's addressed to me (not sure) - I don't live in Finland :p I live in Australia Jul 04 06:45:43 Termana: hum ok Jul 04 06:46:20 depends what you want to do here Jul 04 06:47:05 I think the bulk of it jobs is in the Helsinki area Jul 04 06:53:37 * dm8tbr prefers to live in Tampere Jul 04 06:54:12 the benefits of a fairly large city without the rush and stress of a really large city Jul 04 07:01:17 Trying to setup an IMG server here using local obs and repos. Which distro and meego.com repo should I start with? Jul 04 07:01:33 fedora Jul 04 07:01:45 or opensuse Jul 04 07:01:53 rpm based distro Jul 04 07:01:57 with MINT repo? Jul 04 07:02:13 why MINT ? Jul 04 07:02:36 http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/IMG seems out dated Jul 04 07:03:19 and newer img packages are available from http://repo.pub.meego.com/Project:/MINT:/RC Jul 04 07:03:54 or are the MINT packages unstable/testing? Jul 04 07:05:37 i don't know i dont use mint Jul 04 07:06:29 MINT repos were mentioned in http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Installation Jul 04 07:37:18 morning \o Jul 04 07:38:43 lo Jul 04 07:38:45 \o Jul 04 07:40:36 g'moaning \o Jul 04 07:40:55 lcuk: I'm staring at my inbox again ... Jul 04 07:41:13 * alterego snaps out of it and starts doing "proper" work. Jul 04 07:41:48 any reason why img packages only available to opensuse 11.3 in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo:/MeeGo-Infra/ Jul 04 07:45:49 good morning Jul 04 07:46:02 alterego, no use, my inbox is still missing that Nokia letter Jul 04 07:46:46 Heh Jul 04 07:47:17 alterego, lol Jul 04 07:47:38 now I'm afraid that I will just get a letter from Quim which says "Haha! April's fool!" Jul 04 07:47:54 but it's not april, so... Jul 04 07:48:22 not at all Venemo, you have done the best you can on applications and your skills are very useful :) Jul 04 07:48:37 thank you lcuk :) Jul 04 07:49:00 lcuk, I wouldn't have been able to do all that without helpful and kind people like you :) Jul 04 07:52:46 It'll be nice to be able to have gcc on the N950 .. Jul 04 07:54:12 i didn't get the device :( Jul 04 07:54:15 alterego, it should work nicely on there Jul 04 07:54:17 hm, new mail Jul 04 07:54:21 but not from Nokia :( Jul 04 07:54:39 Thought for the day: "Always be kind, for everyone is fighting a hard battle." - Plato Jul 04 07:56:23 how can we track the avancement of the shiping process ? since devkit N950 is closed on both meego.com and dev.nokia where can we have information of our applying status ? Jul 04 07:58:00 TheBootroo: you should get email notifications Jul 04 07:58:07 Like the rest of us. Jul 04 07:59:06 If you don't hear anything, and at least 20 other people have ordered their devices, then start to worry. Jul 04 08:00:44 X-Fade: pin Jul 04 08:04:02 alterego: ihave already activated my lauchpad Jul 04 08:04:13 but get no return about the shipping status Jul 04 08:04:28 Oh, well, you're on your own then. Jul 04 08:05:18 and i can't find the email from nokia in my gmail archives Jul 04 08:05:32 can you give me the subject to see if i get it Jul 04 08:05:53 Not on this phone no Jul 04 08:06:18 Sorry, someone mentioned the subject in the forum thread on f.m.c Jul 04 08:08:09 what afraids me is that in my account settignsd i have 'no programs" in the "My programs" section Jul 04 08:08:42 does it mean my subscription failed or was aproved yet or nokia already sent the device so they deleted the section ? Jul 04 08:08:46 or a website bug ? Jul 04 08:08:48 So you haven't got your launchpad account verified yet? Jul 04 08:09:00 can't remember Jul 04 08:09:07 has anyone got that verified anyway? Jul 04 08:09:09 So you haven't got your launchpad account verified yet? Jul 04 08:09:14 Well you clearly havent. Jul 04 08:09:19 MohammadAG, nope Jul 04 08:09:21 MohammadAG: Jaffa Jul 04 08:09:26 :) Jul 04 08:09:34 alterego, besides him, he had it all set up Jul 04 08:09:50 i already registered and applied but cant find back the mail, but sometimes when lN9 devkit was yet actived it said me i was already regsitered on a program Jul 04 08:09:52 * Jaffa is Special ;-) Jul 04 08:10:10 alterego: what could i do Jul 04 08:10:18 alterego: N9 devkit program is closed no Jul 04 08:10:19 stop worrying Jul 04 08:10:26 Jaffa, indeed you are - how is your n950 doing? Jul 04 08:10:29 TheBootroo: right, so you've not been verified, so be patient and wait like everyone else. Jul 04 08:10:43 and in Additional account information section i have Jul 04 08:10:49 C++/Qt4 applications for Qt Devices Jul 04 08:10:49 lcuk: Going well; only a few glitches Jul 04 08:11:05 Jaffa, glitches are expected Jul 04 08:11:07 tha's an info i typed during launchap apply Jul 04 08:11:11 TheBootroo: really don't care about your developer profile. Jul 04 08:11:40 TheBootroo: if you've not got launchpad yet, you're in the same position as everyone else (sans Jaffa) Jul 04 08:11:45 alterego:hum ok but where can i have valid info that i can care about ? Jul 04 08:11:57 forum.meego.com Jul 04 08:12:02 Jaffa, does attitude work at the speed you always expected it to? Jul 04 08:12:07 Like I told you before. Jul 04 08:13:32 * lcuk quite looking forward to getting n950 Jul 04 08:14:01 I really hope the qt wallcalendar will work well on it Jul 04 08:16:09 TheBootroo: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3597 Jul 04 08:16:10 one of the guys here said they handed units at the meetup Jul 04 08:16:30 TheBootroo: be patient and stop asking, we're all in the same position. Jul 04 08:16:38 Jaffa: does Gmail sync (mail + calendar) over MfE works well in current N950 OS ? Jul 04 08:18:09 TheBootroo: what app/s are you going to be developing for Harmattan? Jul 04 08:19:23 lcuk: Yes, nice and fast. Some weirdnesses about how the task switcher forces your app to be portrait, even if you lock it to landscape; which causes rendering issues. Jul 04 08:20:04 TheBootroo: Haven't tried mail over MfE (what's the advantage compared with IMAP?) But calendar sync seems to work well. See http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 Jul 04 08:20:05 We have that ic CE too .. Jul 04 08:20:08 Jaffa, understandable glitches but portrait looks good Jul 04 08:20:17 a bit odd with the keyboard I bet Jul 04 08:20:23 alterego: movies info retreiver (using TMDb.org), business card manager (interfaced with camera), bank account monitor, maybe port my google reader app, my music read (with portrait and landscape mode), and try to make a MIDI file reader with KAR support (maybe a stripped down port of KMid2 using Timidity ++)... and of course my LibMWTk + MobileUX-NG Jul 04 08:20:59 Hardly ng if it's qwidget ;) Jul 04 08:21:05 alterego: QML sux Jul 04 08:21:08 I look forward to some of those apps. Jul 04 08:21:19 TheBootroo, bank account monitor? Jul 04 08:21:24 TheBootroo: you not being able to use something doesn't mean it "sux" .. Jul 04 08:21:44 alterego: i spent a full Week end on it, not even able to support one corner border radius, mandatory all corners same radius Jul 04 08:22:06 m'hmmm ... Jul 04 08:22:37 alterego: i'm not bad developr and not retrograde but when a newly started project want to replace a longly used one, it must be at least as complete, and QML doesn't even support fully equivalent CSS2 Jul 04 08:22:48 which is better? VirtualBox or VMWare? Jul 04 08:22:53 A full weekend and you didn't come up with a solution? I think that counts as "not being able to use it" ;) Jul 04 08:23:00 Venemo: VMWare Jul 04 08:23:13 alterego: i don't want to put borderiamges and pixmap everywhere to achieve a good looking custom skin Jul 04 08:23:28 TheBootroo: well, gutted .. Jul 04 08:23:40 i need to support HSVA and so custom hue, i cant realisitaclly use pixmaps Jul 04 08:23:43 alterego, why is it that every time I launch my WMVare VM, the Ctrl key stops working in Linux? Jul 04 08:23:50 alterego: so it sucks at the moment Jul 04 08:24:06 TheBootroo: if you say so... Jul 04 08:24:14 Venemo: only ctrl? or all modifiers? Jul 04 08:24:26 alterego: if you find a solution, i can stop whinning Jul 04 08:24:34 thiago, AltGr seems to be working Jul 04 08:24:43 but when I press, say, Ctrl+C, I only get a 'c' Jul 04 08:25:09 Venemo: you're the one "whinning". I'm just saying it's understandable you'd think something "sux" if you lack the ability to use it. Jul 04 08:25:11 doesn't VMWare capture the ctrl key? Jul 04 08:25:29 TheBootroo: you're the one "whinning". I'm just saying it's understandable you'd think something "sux" if you lack the ability to use it. Jul 04 08:25:36 sorry Venemo ;) Jul 04 08:25:39 http://harthur.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/dealing-with-not-dealing-with-the-open-source-assholes/ Jul 04 08:25:40 alterego, np Jul 04 08:25:49 ^ please read Jul 04 08:25:57 MohammadAG, how can I make it not to? Jul 04 08:25:59 :) Jul 04 08:26:05 Venemo: how about shift and alt? Jul 04 08:26:56 thiago, shift Works, alt... I dunno, but AltGr does Jul 04 08:27:36 Venemo: I used to have this problem too. VMWare messes up with the modmap Jul 04 08:27:36 alterego: once again, it's not like i was not open, i tried and tried again, this full week end, and was not even to get more than a simple design, far from what i do n Qwidget + Qss, and with many glitches (in alignments, sizes and layouts) Jul 04 08:28:03 Venemo: just have an ~/.xmodmap with the right settings, so you can run if this happens: cd; xmodmap -e .xmodmap Jul 04 08:28:48 thiago, oh, thanks. Jul 04 08:28:54 thiago, how can I make a .xmodmap? Jul 04 08:29:50 Venemo: you especially want: add control = Control_L Control_R Jul 04 08:30:00 TheBootroo: you're going to need more than a weekend to do something as complicated as what you're trying. If you find a glaring bug, report it, the point is QML is the future and you need to use it if you want your mobile ux (ng) to be taken seriously. Jul 04 08:30:15 thiago, this one line in that file will do it? Jul 04 08:30:16 try running that now (xmodmap -e 'add control = Control_L Control_R') and see if it restores your control Jul 04 08:30:49 Stskeeps: Sounds like a beginner's guide to anal defence Jul 04 08:30:57 thiago, yes! thank you :) Jul 04 08:31:08 Stskeeps: Even although I generally agree with most of the points Jul 04 08:31:14 TheBootroo: otherwise what's the point in it? Just itch scratching a mobile desktop idea? You may as well have just drawn a picture of it and left it at that :P Jul 04 08:33:35 hi guys Jul 04 08:34:11 hi Jul 04 08:34:42 anyone of u getting N950 for development? Jul 04 08:35:02 all the people listed in the wiki will get one Jul 04 08:35:04 alterego: the point is getting a robust C++ api to build simple mobile apps, no matter of what kind of tech this toolkit uses Jul 04 08:35:10 i would like to use QML Jul 04 08:35:25 but it doesn't offer the same level of power as Qwidget + CSS Jul 04 08:35:42 Stskeeps, very true Jul 04 08:35:59 AFAICT Qwidget is deprecated, doesn't make sense to ride a dead horse Jul 04 08:36:11 my comp is getting one, i gona assign for apps development in future Jul 04 08:36:12 deprecated? Jul 04 08:36:18 wasn't it? Jul 04 08:36:23 so yes, QML support matrix rotation, GL shader, particles, and so on, but i don't givea fuck about that, all i want is correct border radius and border width Jul 04 08:36:42 watch your language please Jul 04 08:37:28 dm8tbr: Qwidget can not be depreciated until Qt6, since many companies have built big apps on it, and none will use QML to build engineering apps Jul 04 08:38:04 nokia forcing for QML only would be the biggest bullshit in the world Jul 04 08:38:22 and precipiting their fall into a 'no point' company Jul 04 08:39:08 they can encourage qml for mobile apps and simple gadgets, but no make it mandatory for everyone, even who dont want to use it because its not powerfull enough Jul 04 08:39:15 QWidget is not deprecated Jul 04 08:39:24 just "done" Jul 04 08:39:32 (except if you can spend 3 year to develop 50+ QML classes plugins) Jul 04 08:39:50 MohammadAG: what do you mean by done ? Jul 04 08:40:40 MohammadAG: thanks for clarifying Jul 04 08:41:38 will Qt5 be mobile-only turned ? i don't think so, since the biggest market share of Qt is industrial apps and QMl isn't build for that use, so it will not be deprecated, just splitted in some modules and the graphics renderings will be changed but the api will not Jul 04 08:42:43 TheBootroo: any proof to backup that statement? Jul 04 08:43:18 alterego: just look on Qt in use section on Qt official website Jul 04 08:43:35 any QMl or even mobile app in it ? NO Jul 04 08:44:04 TheBootroo: so what? Jul 04 08:44:12 That isn't proof .. Jul 04 08:44:25 so the biggest revenues of qt comes from person who will not use QML Jul 04 08:44:37 so they can't end Qwidget support Jul 04 08:44:38 That's a couple of cherry picked use cases. Jul 04 08:44:53 TheBootroo: oh, so you're talking about _revenue_ .. Jul 04 08:45:04 only re-design the classe strcuture to make QWidget not mandatory for QML-only apps (which is good) Jul 04 08:48:07 the Qt labs blog seems to have more information: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/09/thoughts-about-qt-5/ YMMV Jul 04 08:58:24 grml, netsplits Jul 04 08:58:25 08:44:30< dm8tbr> the Qt labs blog seems to have more information: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/09/thoughts-about-qt-5/ YMMV Jul 04 08:58:46 does anyone know where can i find my Nokia Developer Id? Jul 04 08:59:25 TheBootroo: Qt won't be mobile-only Jul 04 08:59:54 TheBootroo: what we wanted to say in the blog was to bring QML to the forefront; we believe it will be useful in the desktop too Jul 04 09:00:12 QWidgets are NOT deprecated. they will live in a separate module. Jul 04 09:00:36 sorry for misrepresenting that Jul 04 09:00:58 Venemo: thanks for killing the troll :-) Jul 04 09:01:14 cos^, developer.nokia.com is loading very slow for me so I can't get you the direct link. But go onto your developer.nokia.com account, click your name or settings in the top right corner, press Developer Settings in the sidebar thats on the next page and it should be there Jul 04 09:02:57 Termana: ok, thanks.. not very easy to find Jul 04 09:08:57 TheBootroo, ? Jul 04 09:14:45 Venemo: thx for confirming that Qwidget will not be unusable, just separated in a QtWigets modules (which is goood) Jul 04 09:23:11 TheBootroo: for desktops Jul 04 09:23:22 don't expect to use QtWidgets on mobile Jul 04 09:23:23 has anyone seen anything like this when trying to build a package: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=a62LTaMN Jul 04 09:23:33 seems like something is really broken Jul 04 09:24:32 hello people Jul 04 09:32:00 nevermind, osc-build seems to be the new version Jul 04 10:12:04 hi Jul 04 10:19:53 http://download.meego.com/live/home:/ thiss is for public OBS? I'm not here? Wrong url? Jul 04 10:20:45 no, thats for build.meego.com Jul 04 10:22:21 Stskeeps, well I have lost the link for public obs. Is public obs still relevant? Jul 04 10:22:31 yes, build.pub.meego.com Jul 04 10:23:38 thank you :). add shortcut for tomorrow Jul 04 12:30:43 lcuk: looks like my N8 will be shipped this week :) Jul 04 12:34:13 n8? Jul 04 12:34:15 ? Jul 04 12:34:33 not n950? Jul 04 12:36:14 you bought something that has symbian? Jul 04 12:36:29 haha Jul 04 12:37:03 alterego: FAIL. Jul 04 12:37:50 I didn't buy anything Jul 04 12:37:57 What gave you that idea? Jul 04 12:38:04 n8 Jul 04 12:38:13 Right ... Jul 04 12:38:23 are you sure you dont mean n9? Jul 04 12:38:44 n950? Jul 04 12:38:58 No, I mean N8, that's why I said, N8 Jul 04 12:39:08 I'm still waiting for launchpad validation for N950 Jul 04 12:40:19 :) Jul 04 12:40:33 What I don't see is why would someone be excited about getting an N8 (or E7 for that matter). Jul 04 12:40:58 what is the story behind your N8? :) Jul 04 12:41:13 I'm excited to get an N8 so I can get my Qt apps working on Symbian Jul 04 12:41:23 That and it has the best multimedia capabilities out there, imo Jul 04 12:41:29 alterego, ah, good point Jul 04 12:41:31 Best camera, HDMI out, it's gonna be fun. Jul 04 12:42:13 okay then Jul 04 12:42:57 * vvaltone fondles his DSLR Jul 04 12:43:42 watch out, IT might explode Jul 04 12:44:10 digital rangefinders FTW! Jul 04 12:44:16 dslrs... haha :P Jul 04 12:45:07 alterego, nice indeed Jul 04 13:46:53 Stskeeps, your local obs instructions - are they compatible with harmattan development? Jul 04 13:47:02 ie can you use obs for n9 stuff? Jul 04 13:48:21 ask the apps.meego.com peeps Jul 04 13:48:59 X-Fade, lbt? ^^ Jul 04 13:49:00 lcuk: IIRC X-Fade wrote he wants to bring it to cobs Jul 04 13:49:31 lcuk: harmattan target will be in cobs this week. Jul 04 13:49:40 Yay :) Jul 04 13:49:48 nice X-Fade :D Jul 04 13:49:58 which OS/UXes does cobs work with now, is it documented for people? Jul 04 13:50:24 lcuk: Click on projects :) Jul 04 13:50:33 lcuk: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS documents what X-Fade, lardman and I have been trying to do for newbies (like lardman and I) who just want to build stuff. Jul 04 13:50:42 X-Fade: yay Jul 04 13:51:10 So there are 2 options, I like your opinion on. Jul 04 13:51:20 * lardman has been doing significantly less than the other two mind you Jul 04 13:51:24 Jaffa, :D Jul 04 13:51:42 1. Get Harmattan working sooner: But with an aweful amount of warnings. Jul 04 13:51:55 2. Wait a bit longer and hopefully build logs are a bit cleaner. Jul 04 13:51:59 lardman: You started it. Rolling resistance is the hardest thing to overcome when starting a car (or some other car-based analogy) Jul 04 13:52:03 (1) Jul 04 13:52:10 :) Jul 04 13:52:15 No question Jul 04 13:52:53 After a lot of painful experiments, I'm leaning towards 1 :) Jul 04 13:54:00 As long as there's a clear warning somewhere about what warnings to expect Jul 04 13:54:24 Building phase itself is ok. Jul 04 13:54:39 X-Fade: screw warnings as long as we get results :D Jul 04 13:54:41 It is the install of the packages in the rootstrap, which is noisy. Jul 04 13:54:50 Well, LOUD. Jul 04 13:55:29 Tail of the log is ok, and that is the business part anyway. Jul 04 14:00:33 X-Fade: Oh, yeah - if getting the build environment is noisy, meh Jul 04 14:01:15 Jaffa: It is just that every build log is a bit big. Jul 04 14:01:36 X-Fade: If it's that bad, a post-process grep? Jul 04 14:01:54 But I'd think it is good to have it available for the developers. So they at least can start. Jul 04 14:02:12 Absolutely Jul 04 14:02:12 Jaffa: I want to stay away from hacking obs code ;) Jul 04 14:07:00 Jaffa: I take it you have tested packaging and installing Attitude on N950? Jul 04 14:07:11 fiferboy: I have Jul 04 14:07:30 Jaffa: Is the packaging much different from Maemo5? Jul 04 14:07:36 fiferboy: No Jul 04 14:07:43 As far as special entries in the control file, etc Jul 04 14:07:59 fiferboy: In fact, in qtc_packaging, I've symlinked control, rules, copyright, README and changelog between debian_fremantle and debian_harmattan Jul 04 14:08:18 fiferboy: XB-Maemo-Icon-26 is now 64px, XB-Maemo-Display-Name is still present etc Jul 04 14:08:35 fiferboy: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=15 contains some links Jul 04 14:08:41 Jaffa: Thanks. I hadn't delved into the Harmattan packaging yet Jul 04 14:08:48 I figured you would have :) Jul 04 14:09:40 fiferboy: It says put the SVG icon in /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/icons, but /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps works as well and seems a more standard place Jul 04 14:10:26 Jaffa: Is the SVG icon actually used anywhere? I always included one in Maemo5 but couldn't see what affect it had Jul 04 14:10:42 fiferboy: It's used in the application launcher in Harmattan Jul 04 14:10:56 fiferboy: You can use svg icons, but png prerendered is probably nicer. Jul 04 14:11:01 fiferboy: As Symbian does as well. Since the icons are now common styles, that's quite handy Jul 04 14:11:02 Looks nicer. Jul 04 14:11:34 * Jaffa will probably make mud2 render (if you have rsvg installed) 48x48, 64x64 and 80x80 versions. Jul 04 14:11:39 X-Fade: If both are available will the system use the SVG or PNG? Jul 04 14:11:41 Not maintaining all those manually Jul 04 14:11:48 fiferboy: No idea ;) Jul 04 14:11:51 fiferboy: Check the co... oh Jul 04 14:11:59 X-Fade: Trial and error it is! Jul 04 14:12:49 Jaffa: Do you have the git link? Oh... yeah. Jul 04 14:25:41 Jaffa: I like the looks of mud2, it should make it easier to suppoert multiple platforms Jul 04 14:26:32 fiferboy: That's my plan. Maybe even something spectacle like for the common metadata for your basic apps: icon, description, additional weird dependencies etc. and have it do all the fremantle/harmattan/MeeGo donkey work Jul 04 14:26:39