**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 07 02:59:56 2011 Jul 07 03:23:54 morning Jul 07 03:24:10 yeah i'm getting sleepy Jul 07 03:24:25 :) Jul 07 07:12:41 hey guys! Jul 07 07:12:46 hi Jul 07 07:12:47 been a while Jul 07 07:13:05 hi julienf Jul 07 07:13:16 hi iekku :) Jul 07 07:13:27 There Jul 07 07:13:37 puuh, one week before vacation starts Jul 07 07:13:48 i'm so ready to start it immediately Jul 07 07:13:50 iekku: lucky you :) Jul 07 07:14:15 julienf, first week goes to organize weddings, not so relaxing :P Jul 07 07:14:30 iekku haha :) Jul 07 07:14:47 iekku: there are worse things to organize :) Jul 07 07:15:02 julienf, maybe :P Jul 07 07:15:11 you could just relax for the first 6 days, and then do it in 1! :P Jul 07 07:15:36 or do it in 1 and relax the rest 6 days :D Jul 07 07:15:48 in same time i sold my flat @oulu and now we have started for looking a new one near tampere Jul 07 07:16:20 next it'll be helsinki Jul 07 07:16:23 vvaltone, or leave everything for my "wife", he anyhows does the cooking etc Jul 07 07:16:32 vvaltone, i don't think so Jul 07 07:16:36 heh Jul 07 07:38:38 anyone here have any experience with marvell 8787 chipset Jul 07 07:38:43 ? Jul 07 07:38:57 that a wlan one? Jul 07 07:39:03 yes Jul 07 07:41:01 i saw the meego patch for its driver....and i wanted to know if its generic driver or specific to any board(i guess it has been tested on some oaktrail board) Jul 07 07:43:15 might be generic if not pci i guess Jul 07 07:43:18 test it? Jul 07 07:43:57 already testing it...not getting any response after probe... Jul 07 07:59:10 The motorola droid 3 looks awesome Jul 07 08:02:22 except it's motorola Jul 07 08:03:44 meaning what Jul 07 08:03:55 Locked bootloader? Jul 07 08:04:31 pretty much Jul 07 08:05:09 you're stuck with whatever rubbish motorola puts on it, and then they stop updating it and you get to buy a new one Jul 07 08:06:45 So i cant put angstrom or meego on it? Jul 07 08:07:08 well, that's hard enough without locked bootloaders and signed kernels Jul 07 08:07:30 but it's not really worth even attempting on something as locked as the motorola phones Jul 07 08:07:51 Oh :( Jul 07 08:08:07 reminds me of my attempts on running Linux on my WM5 device Jul 07 08:08:11 Why do companies suck so much Jul 07 08:08:36 well, htc has promised to allow unlocking the bootloader Jul 07 08:09:01 it doesn't really help the problem of porting radio to a different platform tho Jul 07 08:09:29 and I've yet to see a non-binary only radio driver Jul 07 08:10:16 vvaltone: does OpenMoko count? Jul 07 08:10:56 I'm sure it does, never saw one ;P Jul 07 08:11:16 N900 is still the best device i can buy Jul 07 08:11:43 2 years later :( Jul 07 08:12:05 I guess you mean phones with a keyboard? Jul 07 08:12:16 hackable phone Jul 07 08:12:56 But the speakers are a problem Jul 07 08:13:33 there are a bunch of those in android, but replacing the platform on the completely would be a lot of work Jul 07 08:14:11 morning \o Jul 07 08:16:35 Venemo_N900, ahh good morning Jul 07 08:16:42 i have a question about your app Jul 07 08:18:00 hey lcuk Jul 07 08:18:14 what's the question? Jul 07 08:19:51 vvaltone maybe it would be easier to do chroot and xserver in userspace? Jul 07 08:20:06 huh? Jul 07 08:20:27 doesn't really help the problem Jul 07 08:21:42 aside from the risk of creating a brick, there isn't really anything to stop you from overwriting the userspace, in quite a few phones Jul 07 08:22:02 the drivers are the issue, especially the radio driver which handles the 'phone' bit ;P Jul 07 08:22:39 and also all the other drivers, but those might actually have open drivers Jul 07 08:22:56 Venemo_N900, did you use qt creator to edit the packages and stuff? Jul 07 08:23:21 lcuk, no, I made the packaging by hand Jul 07 08:23:38 running X on a phone just sounds so wrong too :P Jul 07 08:23:53 lcuk, at the time Qt Creator's support for .deb was very limited and it didn't support rpm at all Jul 07 08:27:18 Venemo_N900, yeah, support is getting better Jul 07 08:30:51 * lcuk downloaded new ubuntu Jul 07 08:30:56 lcuk, indeed, although it isn't good for advanced purposes Jul 07 08:30:56 Venemo_N900, does your app work on it? Jul 07 08:31:03 lcuk, sure Jul 07 08:31:04 lcuk, a dangerous thing to do Jul 07 08:31:19 lcuk, you should compile for yourself though Jul 07 08:32:53 vvaltone, which is better then, debian? Jul 07 08:33:03 correct. Jul 07 08:33:13 how did you guess? ;P Jul 07 08:33:38 I'd prefer Fedora, but Ubuntu should be good too Jul 07 08:34:02 i have ubuntu 10.4 on this laptop I think Jul 07 08:34:03 the problem with ubuntu is that they don't test their releases properly Jul 07 08:34:14 i just wanted to see what was improved Jul 07 08:34:43 vvaltone, that is normal for oss Jul 07 08:34:47 it seems more like: "Omg, omg, new feature, let's add it" Jul 07 08:35:07 lcuk, most other distributions don't suffer from it Jul 07 08:35:32 vvaltone, well if more people are using it Jul 07 08:35:37 it gets more bugs noticed Jul 07 08:35:38 fedora is quite near tho :P Jul 07 08:35:44 but anyway, was not /topic Jul 07 08:35:51 * lcuk glances back to n900-ce Jul 07 08:36:08 i am looking at -ce at the moment Jul 07 08:36:22 and have running apps list on screen Jul 07 08:36:24 I'm looking at meego-tablet on exopc at the moment Jul 07 08:36:31 swipe/panning left to right goes between the apps Jul 07 08:36:45 in liqbase I added the swipe/pan also Jul 07 08:36:47 to test Jul 07 08:36:52 from fullscreen apps Jul 07 08:37:05 i want to add the same patch into meego-ce Jul 07 08:37:09 but do not know where to start Jul 07 08:37:28 what component is it against? Jul 07 08:37:31 the same thing would solve alt-tab on my netbook Jul 07 08:37:41 vvaltone, that is the problem Jul 07 08:37:43 this reminds me, I'll have to disable swipe in my app in Harmattan Jul 07 08:37:50 i do not understand the complex window managers Jul 07 08:37:54 what's the alt-tab problem? Jul 07 08:37:55 * lcuk likes simplicity of liqbase Jul 07 08:38:06 vvaltone, in meego netbook Jul 07 08:38:09 wayland will probably solve stuff like that Jul 07 08:38:11 have 3 apps open Jul 07 08:38:23 since it merges the window manager, compositor and server into one Jul 07 08:38:28 folderbrowse | console | editor Jul 07 08:38:54 alt tab order and the panning/sliding effect is frustrating for general workflow Jul 07 08:39:24 well, it might be in the window manager Jul 07 08:39:38 but not necessarily Jul 07 08:40:47 in tablet I think it's in the meego-ux-daemon Jul 07 08:42:35 lcuk, all you need to do on ubuntu is git clone my app, qmake, make, make install. Jul 07 08:42:57 Venemo_N900, that is essentially all I did on meego-netbook :) Jul 07 08:43:17 lcuk, yeah. same thing will work Jul 07 08:43:42 I'll try to make some .deb packages for it in sometime, but I have not bothered yet Jul 07 09:19:34 Hi Stskeeps Jul 07 09:20:15 tas_devil: hi Jul 07 09:20:49 need ur help on 3D accl'n drivers for Mer Ubuntu Jul 07 09:21:38 SpeedEvil: I have a hard time with the regex for your different nicks! ;-D Jul 07 09:22:39 * DocScrutinizer wonders how to distinguish XXXevil form tas_devil Jul 07 09:24:26 please tell us how to install 3D drivers on mer ubuntu Jul 07 09:25:07 tas_devil: what device Jul 07 09:25:22 Nokia n900 Jul 07 09:26:54 dont bother, install meego Jul 07 09:28:09 actually i have one presentation on this hack Jul 07 09:28:21 we have many apps running on mer Jul 07 09:28:31 so need some graphics driveres Jul 07 09:28:38 drivers Jul 07 09:36:54 i would really rebase on meego if i were you Jul 07 09:43:47 Stskeeps, which meego x86 devices do you use daily? Jul 07 09:43:59 is there a problem with the meego wiki ? can't login on some page Jul 07 09:44:49 Stskeeps, have you got an updated import-meego-release.sh script that understands the new 1.2 repos? Jul 07 09:45:47 khertan, logged on fine Jul 07 09:46:43 i can login ... but some wiki page say i'm not Jul 07 09:47:26 ... ok ... will edit later Jul 07 09:49:11 arfoll, no, feel free to send patches Jul 07 09:49:13 lcuk, none Jul 07 09:49:47 Stskeeps, ok I'll try! thanks for the great howto btw Jul 07 09:51:13 Stskeeps, what do you have on your ideapad? Jul 07 09:52:21 lcuk, ubuntu Jul 07 09:53:11 which one, I just saw a cool video of ubuntu on it Jul 07 09:53:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymOUjuteVBQ Jul 07 09:53:27 latest i think Jul 07 09:53:31 does it have that by default ^^ Jul 07 09:53:50 if so, luke will have the coolest computer Jul 07 09:55:54 lcuk, nah, Ubuntu doesn't come with Avril Lavigne Jul 07 09:56:34 i wouldnt have reconize her , but i see there are fans around :) Jul 07 09:56:55 lol Jul 07 09:57:43 Termana, but the cube swipe does look cool Jul 07 09:58:46 lcuk, yes, in all seriousness it does look good. It would be useful as long as you have the drag window to edge and it comes to next cube option enabled (can't remember if that was enabled in the video) Jul 07 11:04:59 DocScrutinizer: that's not me Jul 07 11:33:50 "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you" ... just sayin' Jul 07 11:34:29 lbt \o/ ditto Jul 07 11:36:56 congrats :) Jul 07 11:37:20 Ditto here. Jul 07 11:38:04 * thiago wants one too Jul 07 11:38:37 same in here Jul 07 11:39:07 lbt, how is cobs progressing? Jul 07 11:50:04 Quite horrible agreement. You may not reverse engineer or enable any functions that are not enabled by Nokia (FM receiver of N900 comes to mind) and you are liable to pay 500 € if you publicly disclose any flaws in the development version of the product. Jul 07 11:50:24 Yet they encourage people to blog about it... Jul 07 11:52:40 Well, I guess that is the standard boilerplate and they won't actually be enforcing that... Jul 07 11:53:17 I think they want you to blog about the good things, not the bad ones Jul 07 11:54:29 I suppose that is what they want but you cannot really blog about development if you omit the bad things. Jul 07 12:39:47 bbiab Jul 07 12:43:08 Hey, anyone here uses QtMobility/Connectivity/Bluetooth ? Jul 07 13:42:06 disobey the legislators and the bureaucrats Jul 07 13:47:07 SpeedEvil: I know, but it's matching "your" regex Jul 07 13:48:20 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders how to determine actual charge status of battery on harmattan Jul 07 13:50:13 one thing's for sure: N950's indicator LED is even way more spotlight characteristics than N900. Not really useful, even if it'd show charging state Jul 07 13:50:59 re all Jul 07 13:51:00 generally kudos Nokia for the N950 ID Jul 07 13:51:09 Is there a latest tablet UX (intel) version available? Jul 07 13:51:20 e.g. one fixing the kernel panic issue? Jul 07 13:51:25 hey DocScrutinizer :) Jul 07 13:51:49 talking abou the platform for app development shown here :) : http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-sdk-suite Jul 07 13:58:38 oh great. Jul 07 13:58:42 Kudos for intel on that page. Jul 07 13:59:00 quick easy navigation to download latest , better than ubuntu (one click download) Jul 07 14:01:17 DocScrutinizer: 99% of the time I'll be on this nick these days, otherwse n900evil on the few other % Jul 07 14:01:35 SpeedEvil: ok Jul 07 14:01:53 Others are transient misconfigurations Jul 07 14:19:57 lcuk: ping Jul 07 14:31:42 alterego, Jul 07 14:36:02 lcuk, you lost the ball! (no pong :p ) Jul 07 14:36:15 not anything new for me Jul 07 14:36:59 lcuk: N8 and c7 should arrive tomorrow :) Jul 07 14:37:07 I didn't even want a C7 Jul 07 14:37:13 oooOooh cool Jul 07 14:37:20 * lcuk has c5 Jul 07 14:38:01 * w00t curses three endlessly Jul 07 14:38:38 Oh, must be the C5 then. Jul 07 14:39:33 He said tey're sending me what you've got Jul 07 14:39:43 was it the C5-03 Jul 07 14:39:46 ? Jul 07 14:40:15 hey alterego, you got N950 yet? :) Jul 07 14:40:26 Nope "No Programs" Jul 07 14:41:46 alterego, they've received my order this afternoon :) Jul 07 14:42:24 :P Jul 07 14:42:56 they will notify me when they send the device. my guess tells me that it'll arrive next week Jul 07 14:43:04 Yeah Jul 07 14:45:38 good luck with yours :) Jul 07 14:46:00 it turned out that they sold me a faulty HDD this morning Jul 07 14:46:08 so I'm returning it to the shop Jul 07 14:46:35 and the hdd in my laptop is crappy too Jul 07 14:47:02 this has managed to set me back several days with my project Jul 07 14:48:58 i got my N950 order mail Jul 07 14:49:05 waiting it for next week Jul 07 14:51:45 * npm is afraid of legalese I just signed to get my N950 Jul 07 14:52:48 this part "damages to Nokia an amount of €500 (five hundred Euro). If You lose the Product ..." Jul 07 14:53:47 it's their property. you mustn't lose it. Jul 07 14:54:03 you'll have to return it later. Jul 07 14:54:04 npm: neither keep it pretending to have it no more Jul 07 14:54:07 i wonder if i can attach it to one of those things you stick on your belt to hold keys with the extensible cord Jul 07 14:54:57 for that n950 janitor key look, and or so you can pretend you're an MIT professor Jul 07 14:56:05 so what's a good protective case for the n950 Jul 07 14:57:31 the n950 application form has no field for the US zipcode.... Jul 07 14:59:18 oh actually it's there just in a weird place Jul 07 15:00:28 npm: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N950-Case/140357494275?pt=UK_HaG_Lock_Safes_GL&hash=item20adf56603 Jul 07 15:01:29 SpeedEvil: :-) Jul 07 15:02:56 actually the only thing on ebay for the N950 is this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-Data-Sync-Cable-Lead-Nokia-N9-E6-T7-N950-C7-E7-/140572970814 Jul 07 15:04:22 Also SD cards. Jul 07 15:04:23 :) Jul 07 15:06:23 * dm8tbr should sell some 3.5mm jack headsets 'optimized for n950' ;) Jul 07 15:06:38 Most jeans and such have a smaller pocket on the right side, just suitable for N950. Jul 07 15:07:09 (okay, it won't fit in all jeans, so you need a bit of luck) Jul 07 15:18:59 * npm wonders how N950 bugs can be reported given clause "9. No Public Statements. ..." Jul 07 15:19:45 via developer.nokia.com Jul 07 15:20:02 i imagine Jul 07 15:20:07 and also "agree not to break security mechanisms" ... what if you're into security and that's what you do? Jul 07 15:20:36 so are all bugs reported againt n950 private, or only visible to other devs Jul 07 15:29:44 Is there a build of IVI that's not dependent on IVI dev boards ? Jul 07 15:32:56 slaine: IVI on ExoPC ? Jul 07 15:33:12 see Alison Chalken Jul 07 15:37:48 I've run IVI-ish images on an ExoPC via manually copying a kernel into the image. The existing images are specific to Tunnel Creek boards. Or you can start with a Tablet image and install the IVI software. Jul 07 15:43:47 I was more thinking the IdeaPad type Pinetrail hardware Jul 07 15:44:34 I'm setting up a new dev box, so I'll probably create a meego build env on a vm on there and create a customized IVI image myself Jul 07 15:47:33 There are lots of options. The "manually upgrade a working tablet image" might be the most robust. I'm no expert on the UX side of IVI, but I don't remember anything weird in the .ks files that would disallow that. Jul 07 15:48:15 slaine, I saw something about ideapad on s10-3t Jul 07 15:48:53 http://wiki.meego.com/IVI-LenovoS10-3t slaine .. Jul 07 15:49:50 andyross: it's more that it'd dependent on the iemgd drivers over stock 915 drivers Jul 07 15:50:22 would like to be able to boot/install a full accelerated version on a standard hardware device Jul 07 15:50:40 lcuk: cheers, saw that a while ago actually but could find it when I went looking recently Jul 07 15:50:41 The EMGD drivers don't have a different API, they're just different video drivers. Jul 07 15:50:54 different GL stuff though right ? Jul 07 15:52:04 Entirely different software, because the hardware is different. But OpenGL is OpenGL. The same middleware stack sits on top of both drivers. Then the images diverge again in the UX world. But you can use a pinetrail kernel with 915 drivers underneath IVI, and can run a Tablet UX on top of an EMGD/TNC "IVI" image if you really wanted. Jul 07 16:09:05 warning GL != GLES Jul 07 16:12:01 it's near enough for trivial experience transfer tho Jul 07 16:17:50 My concern was that the driver level stuff was missing. I think that's been confirmed Jul 07 16:18:01 (requiring a different kernel etc) Jul 07 16:18:45 if you mean intel stuff, doesn't gallium support GLES1.1/2 Jul 07 16:19:45 it's more that the drm drivers etc. are missing, not the GLES capability of the drivers (also the GLES libraries on there are probably for PSB hardware and not the stock 915 hardware) Jul 07 16:20:51 you could run glxinfo | grep renderer Jul 07 16:21:02 if it's gallium, you should have GLES Jul 07 16:21:13 just by installing the mesa GLES libraries Jul 07 16:21:37 assuming it's new enough a image Jul 07 16:23:11 That's basically my point, the images out there need a new kernel, need mesa GLES libs installed etc. I want an image that has them Jul 07 16:23:35 1.2 doesn't? Jul 07 16:23:54 it's quite recent Jul 07 16:24:53 oh, sorry, you mean IVI Jul 07 16:24:56 never used those Jul 07 16:25:49 me neither :) Jul 07 16:26:02 just grab a devel image? Jul 07 16:26:34 they mostly work fineish Jul 07 16:29:41 DawnFoster, I wrote up a bunch of stuff on doing Pentaho reports and integrating data today & yesterday (using forum stats as the example). did you see it? Jul 07 16:30:42 DawnFoster, http://wiki.meego.com/Metrics/Gathering_data and http://wiki.meego.com/Metrics/Creating_a_report Jul 07 16:43:23 dneary - I haven't had a chance yet. I've been out of the office all week & am still catching up Jul 07 16:47:32 DawnFoster, I know - 4th of July & trip to Ohio Jul 07 16:47:40 I was following along on Twitter Jul 07 16:48:10 mm.. I wonder if HTC will come out with a meego phone Jul 07 16:48:29 they seem a bit screwed by the nokia/msft deal Jul 07 16:54:52 DawnFoster: are you interested in stats for the community image server? http://bug10738.openaos.org/ soon probably renamed to images.formeego.org or sthg like that Jul 07 16:54:55 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed Jul 07 16:55:38 heh, nice name Jul 07 17:04:38 hey, were are the keymappings in meego defined? Jul 07 17:15:10 dm8tbr, that bug probably needs reassigning. Jul 07 17:18:03 hey can someone tell me how i can redefine the keymap for meego please Jul 07 17:40:10 ?? Jul 07 17:40:54 seems not at the moment Jul 07 17:56:07 so does anyone know an rsync server for meego 1.2?? rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.2 doesnt seem to exist like in 1.1 Jul 07 18:15:27 Hello, why the meego-facebook-plugins package have been removed from the 1.2.0 release repository? Jul 07 18:16:29 because facebook sucks Jul 07 18:16:58 what did it contain? Jul 07 18:17:30 403 error on downloading the package. Jul 07 18:18:14 repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/meego-facebook/plugins-1.1.2-1.10.i586.rpm Jul 07 18:20:48 you mean http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/meego-facebook-plugins-1.1.2-1.10.i586.rpm ? Jul 07 18:22:10 yes, weird, on the browser is working, but i can't access using a package manaegement tool. Jul 07 18:22:26 try running zypper ref Jul 07 18:23:17 thanks. Jul 07 18:35:40 hey maligor, there is a permission denied using zypper also. Jul 07 18:36:14 you need to be root to run it Jul 07 18:36:40 of course, but the message on zypper is Permission to acess 'URL' denied Jul 07 18:52:22 the mirror in kernel.org is wrong. Jul 07 18:52:56 when i try to downlod it points to mirros4.kernel.org/meego, but the metadata points to mirrors4.kernel.org/meeGo Jul 07 18:59:54 is "flasher" already compiled for meego 1.2 at n900? Jul 07 18:59:57 did not find it yes Jul 07 19:00:00 *yet Jul 07 19:00:15 it isn't a static binary? Jul 07 19:00:31 one second Jul 07 19:01:54 whats the diff between http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components and http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/desktop ?? If I install the latter on MeeGo, will I have the same Qt-components as on Harmattan n950/n9? Jul 07 19:02:17 (see http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/10/qml-components-for-desktop/ ) Jul 07 19:02:58 otherwise, how does one develop w/ qml-components in MeeGo ? Jul 07 19:06:14 running "qmlviewer TableViewGallery.qml" does indeed give me QML widgetry that matches my desktop theme/etc.... Jul 07 19:06:56 I guess I should install it on the ExoPC and see what it picks up from the tablet-UX theme Jul 07 19:24:10 so does anyone know an rsync server for meego 1.2?? rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.2 doesnt seem to exist like in 1.1 Jul 07 19:25:39 hello meego Jul 07 19:30:53 hi niala Jul 07 20:04:59 luist: the current release is called 1.2.0, not 1.2 - you should find it on the path you mention if you mention if you just add .0 Jul 07 20:05:10 oh Jul 07 20:05:25 (why the numbering change I don't know) Jul 07 20:12:06 mwichmann_: last updated 18th of may? are you sure that's an active tree? Jul 07 20:13:04 I have no proof, but I'd expect so Jul 07 20:13:24 dates make me doubt that, anyway Jul 07 20:14:42 new data retention law in congress Jul 07 20:14:51 Call your legislator Jul 07 20:15:11 Smegman: for politics, please use #meego-bar Jul 07 20:15:49 anyone know what the default username/password on the n950 is for ssh? Jul 07 20:22:27 ieatlint: for root it's "rootme" Jul 07 20:23:02 I suggest you change it, since SSH-server is running by default :) Jul 07 20:23:31 hah, thanks Jul 07 20:26:02 DEVELOPER EDITION Jul 07 20:28:59 indeed Jul 07 20:32:38 how long from order to delivery BTW? Jul 07 20:34:29 this isn't my n950, i'm still waiting :( Jul 07 20:37:33 lbt: 1 day Jul 07 20:37:50 ieatlint: for user ? Jul 07 20:37:58 what is the pwd ? Jul 07 20:38:17 RzR950: ooh.... I'm off on holiday tomorrow... maybe it'll arrive :) Jul 07 20:53:54 Stskeeps: ping Jul 07 20:55:45 thiago: pong :D Jul 07 20:56:02 huh... Jul 07 20:56:10 redirected pings? Jul 07 20:56:21 :D Jul 07 20:56:38 is Stskeeps near you? Jul 07 21:04:47 thiago: pong Jul 07 21:06:24 Stskeeps: hey, did you do the bootstrapping of the ARMv7 hard-fp toolchain? Jul 07 21:07:01 thiago: aye, debian armhf based Jul 07 21:08:38 how does it work? download the debian armhf packages, install them in a chroot, compile the cross-compiler? Jul 07 21:11:04 basically i took debian armhf fs and built on mostly real arm hw the base 83 or so meego packages for building any meego rpm Jul 07 21:11:13 with rpmbuild in there Jul 07 21:11:29 cross compilation on top of that is obs tricks Jul 07 21:11:33 hmm Jul 07 21:11:42 * thiago wants a MIPS cross-compiler Jul 07 21:11:53 #meego-mips ;) Jul 07 21:11:54 Stskeeps: Error: "meego-mips" is not a valid command. Jul 07 21:12:07 do we have that? or are you pulling my leg? Jul 07 21:12:23 we have that and a wiki page exists Jul 07 21:12:35 not sure when they will contribute it to meego.com Jul 07 21:12:40 I technically don't need the sysroot, just the C++ cross-compiler so I can test my new QBasicAtomicInt implementation Jul 07 21:12:53 :nod: Jul 07 21:12:53 do you know if we have a toolchain ready? Jul 07 21:13:01 i dont, sadly Jul 07 21:13:12 anyhow, sleep time Jul 07 21:13:14 * thiago will search the wiki then, thanks Jul 07 21:13:21 there is contacts on the wiki i think Jul 07 21:13:25 the IA-64 cross compiler, however, that will take considerably longer Jul 07 21:14:34 use yocto maybe? Jul 07 21:15:52 Yocto has MIPS and even PowerPC Jul 07 21:15:58 but IA-64? no, they won't have it Jul 07 21:16:15 OpenSUSE's OBS had it some months ago, but it disappeared. Jul 07 21:49:30 * andre__ wonders whether to propose a talk for LinuxCon Europe or not - "State of MeeGo QA"? hmm... Jul 07 21:53:27 when is that Jul 07 21:54:57 Oct 26-28 | http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-europe | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-July/483755.html Jul 07 23:11:25 ok well that was too easy... what's the catch? (git clone git://gitorious.org/qt-components/desktop.git ; cd desktop ; qmake ; make ; sudo make install ) Jul 07 23:12:24 and when said qt-components are installed on meego netbook or tablet, does that mean the same QML code would run on harmattan AND meego... or am i confused about this project being part of "qt components" Jul 07 23:15:22 sorry, if i ask dumb questions, but how can i access /dev/mtd* with meego Jul 07 23:16:17 i think only the specivic module is not loaded Jul 07 23:16:44 with n900. i need it for rescue issuses Jul 07 23:17:45 the latest netbook image keeps resetting the timezone to Helsinki Jul 07 23:18:09 I noticed that, but try unchecking the "automatic" timezone option (in the same settings page) Jul 07 23:18:55 in the settings page it jknows that its not in EEST Jul 07 23:19:13 if you uncheck the automatic timezone in tablet UX ("locate and set time zone" or somesuch) you will be in a world of hurt Jul 07 23:19:37 on the other hand, every time I check it it switches to HEL. Jul 07 23:19:52 i dont see an "automatic" in the netbook UX time settings Jul 07 23:20:15 javispedro: i can confirm with n900 it switched once back Jul 07 23:20:29 (which is to be expected, as I don't know how where it would get automatic zone info information from on netbook) Jul 07 23:20:45 geoip Jul 07 23:21:00 * javispedro envisions timezone changing randomly Jul 07 23:21:07 right, at installation I told it America/Toronto Jul 07 23:21:23 (which is exactly what is happening, with it switching to HEL for no reason..) Jul 07 23:21:34 of course the true solutions is just get rid of time zones altogether, go by true astronomical time Jul 07 23:22:04 use the camera to locate the sun and go by that Jul 07 23:25:10 use a radio to tune in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWV_%28radio_station%29 Jul 07 23:26:11 the time itself is correct, jsut the utc offset is wrong Jul 07 23:29:02 actually use the phone and call 1-303-499-7111 :-) (from wikipedia article) Jul 07 23:29:35 they won't know where you're at though Jul 07 23:31:03 they know everything. Jul 07 23:31:06 gps will Jul 07 23:31:25 not in my basement it won't :) Jul 07 23:32:49 the thing to do is to find the config-foo-netbook.yaml and make a build myself Jul 07 23:43:09 if only I could tell what all the fields in the yaml mean Jul 07 23:43:27 or in the ks Jul 07 23:44:38 is there a network manager where i can configure a different dns resolver? Jul 07 23:45:00 xterm and meego shell is strange Jul 08 00:28:43 mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1-mmcblk0p.raw is always accesing to a wrong access point Jul 08 00:29:29 is it a known error Jul 08 00:30:24 hmmm very interesting... git://gitorious.org/qt-components/desktop.git works nice on tablet ux if you launch right: qmlviewer -fullscreen -opengl Gallery.qml Jul 08 00:30:37 did not find anything; when it ask for password it displays the right one; after it is connecting to a different one Jul 08 00:31:58 npm: on fedora desktop qmlviewer segfaults Jul 08 00:32:25 not for me... but don't use fedora's qt. it's ancient Jul 08 00:32:40 well, ancient as in maybe 2 weeks old Jul 08 00:32:50 it works on fedora, meego netbook, and if i launch as fullscreen opengl , on tablet Jul 08 00:33:08 if you don't, it hoses the X server and requires init 3 init 5 Jul 08 00:33:12 no it doesnt work on fedora with 4.7.3 :) Jul 08 00:33:29 oh... well i installed Qt SDK 1.1.2 Jul 08 00:33:33 haven't tried fullscreen Jul 08 00:33:44 and am using that across the board on all platforms for some regularity Jul 08 00:33:56 i don't want to install SDK this and SDK that, resulting in umpteen versions of Qt on my system Jul 08 00:34:16 that's why i installed qt sdk from horses mouth Jul 08 00:34:22 instead of all this downstream stuff with bugs Jul 08 00:34:32 i want to use something that actually works on a sort of normal system, not only in an SDK Jul 08 00:34:55