**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 08 02:59:58 2011 Jul 08 04:30:55 mood groaning Jul 08 04:43:15 anyone here know how to use syslog? Jul 08 04:48:50 lol sure Jul 08 04:48:59 first call openlog() Jul 08 04:49:02 then syslog() Jul 08 04:49:07 then optionally closelog() Jul 08 04:49:09 :) Jul 08 06:29:39 morning Jul 08 07:40:43 Morning ! Jul 08 07:45:38 *yawn* Jul 08 08:12:08 hello, anybody with experience in porting from Android/Java to Meego/Qt ? Jul 08 08:13:26 remware: ask in the #meego-sdk Jul 08 08:19:44 morning khertan Myrtti lbt \o Jul 08 08:20:04 * lbt waits for postman Jul 08 08:20:11 * lbt bounces Jul 08 08:20:24 No bouncing Jul 08 08:20:28 aw Jul 08 08:20:47 Maybe a slight bobbing Jul 08 08:22:01 bobbing -> http://www.clipjunkie.com/Bird-Ruins-Cat-Nap-vid9335.html Jul 08 08:23:16 I will allow this Jul 08 08:23:27 lbt heh Jul 08 08:55:24 isn't it possible to install meego on n900's eMMC? Jul 08 08:57:04 It is Jul 08 08:57:22 Its possible to do it by repartitioning the emmc Jul 08 08:57:35 at least that's how I got MeeGo on my eMMC Jul 08 08:57:51 'lu lcuk Jul 08 08:58:09 lcuk: KhtEditor QML Edition running on Fremantle : http://twitpic.com/5mvljv Jul 08 08:58:20 lcuk: far from beeing ready yet ... Jul 08 08:58:30 toolbar and rest of ui need works Jul 08 08:59:00 There's a wiki entry just for that: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC Jul 08 08:59:10 uhh *points to vdv* Jul 08 08:59:16 oh, thanks Jul 08 09:00:20 vdv: that's considered dangerous AIUI Jul 08 09:00:27 khertan, awesome Jul 08 09:00:32 how is the speed of that Jul 08 09:00:53 and if you have the sources available it should be possible to test on the n900-ce Jul 08 09:02:03 Its possible to install MeeGo CE on a N900 eMMC without touching the maemo eMMC partitions at all Jul 08 09:02:13 well you touch them Jul 08 09:02:24 but you use gparted to make the really big mydocs partition sllightly smaller Jul 08 09:02:35 then you use the created space to put MeeGo CE on Jul 08 09:02:53 lcuk: source is available in gitorious Jul 08 09:03:01 lcuk: i ll try in meego ce right now :) Jul 08 09:03:02 jonwil, that would be reasonable Jul 08 09:03:13 khertan, link please! Jul 08 09:03:25 lcuk: speed isn't bad ... no speed problem Jul 08 09:04:17 I think it was DocScrutinizer or MohammadAG who gave me instructions for meego on eMMC Jul 08 09:04:23 khertan, nice, please add screenshots Jul 08 09:04:27 lcuk: http://gitorious.org/khteditor branch qml Jul 08 09:04:44 lcuk: nothing is working yet in the toolbar :) Jul 08 09:04:56 lcuk: python main.py main.py Jul 08 09:05:06 there is no file dialog selection yet Jul 08 09:05:20 khertan, so it is (python + qml) ? Jul 08 09:05:39 file select dialogs are strange things Jul 08 09:05:57 ? Jul 08 09:06:05 it s usefull to open file to edit :) Jul 08 09:06:26 khertan, of course Jul 08 09:06:35 i meant in complexity Jul 08 09:06:39 but for the moment it s open file from command line argument Jul 08 09:06:45 lcuk: oh yes, it s complex Jul 08 09:06:55 every system has its own way of doing it Jul 08 09:08:37 lcuk: yep ... some do it well :) Jul 08 09:08:52 some (fremantle) doing not well (no file extension) Jul 08 09:20:29 khertan, setup.py has a potential bug Jul 08 09:20:46 pasted to your PM Jul 08 09:21:57 setup isn't ready yet Jul 08 09:22:09 it s the old setup of older khteditor version Jul 08 09:23:01 i must say khertan, pyside + qml is a nice combination, are you experiencing any niggles? Jul 08 09:23:04 morning CoderForLife Jul 08 09:23:08 CosmoHill even Jul 08 09:23:18 morning lbt Jul 08 09:23:23 :p Jul 08 09:23:39 heh Jul 08 09:24:06 QML : Quaintness Mad Language Jul 08 09:24:22 Isn't QML a shopping channel? Jul 08 09:24:28 lcuk: while i love pyside, i hate pyside Jul 08 09:24:40 khertan, lol Jul 08 09:25:23 with qml, you reinvent the wheel for everything Jul 08 09:25:30 it s slow down development Jul 08 09:25:50 take me more time to do a fucking toolbar than doing the real code Jul 08 09:25:56 is that based on the components you chose? Jul 08 09:26:06 of course there is components, but there are tied to plateform Jul 08 09:26:12 well khertan the editor widget already existed! Jul 08 09:26:21 the editor ? Jul 08 09:26:33 the highlighter editor bit Jul 08 09:26:45 a yes, but it s take me less time to rewrite it Jul 08 09:27:11 and less time to do the qwidget interface than the qml toolbar Jul 08 09:27:55 qt is cross plateform, python is cross plateform, qml is crossplateform, components aren't Jul 08 09:28:10 at least not for the moment Jul 08 09:29:28 lcuk: did you have successfully launch it . Jul 08 09:29:29 ? Jul 08 09:29:45 khertan, no I just tried it on my regular ubuntu laptop Jul 08 09:30:11 lcuk: i m waiting that battery is charged enough to launch meego ce Jul 08 09:30:54 as the usb port is broken ... can't use while charging :) Jul 08 09:31:35 lcuk: should work also on ubuntu with pyside >= 1.0.3 Jul 08 09:32:07 there is bug in version 1.0.2 <= and registering custom component in qml Jul 08 09:34:06 lcuk: hopefully i can restrain the use of qml only for the ui and do the rest in python ;) Jul 08 09:34:42 something funny also is that making some errors in qml can result in segfault difficult to track Jul 08 09:37:41 The C5 is quite a nice slim device. Jul 08 09:37:53 alterego, it is lovely Jul 08 09:49:59 CosmoHill, have you finished university yet? Jul 08 09:50:43 I sat my last exam on the 1st of june and have been helping them with their / my cluster since Jul 08 09:51:26 morning lcuk =) Jul 08 09:51:38 heh CoderForLife Jul 08 09:51:47 CosmoHill, summer job? Jul 08 09:51:56 I could do with one Jul 08 09:52:33 yeah, my eldest is looking atm Jul 08 09:52:43 how old is he? Jul 08 09:53:28 16 Jul 08 09:54:05 he can have the summer job and I'll have the contract job Jul 08 09:54:26 isn't it a bit late to be wanting a summer job?-) Jul 08 09:57:09 why does qt have to be so big, building it is takes ages Jul 08 10:04:56 the harmattan term program on n900-ce has the most responsive vkb! Jul 08 10:06:54 lcuk: the n900ce terminal is awesome Jul 08 10:06:56 i like it Jul 08 10:07:34 it is very responsive Jul 08 10:07:52 khertan, are you doing most development work still on your n900ce on the train? Jul 08 10:07:57 lcuk: the forum nokia usb stick is neat :) Jul 08 10:08:07 alterego, it is tiny! Jul 08 10:08:25 How big is it? Jul 08 10:08:35 (capacity) Jul 08 10:08:48 4gb I think Jul 08 10:08:55 but it is cool Jul 08 10:09:32 4G is reasonable :) Jul 08 10:10:01 indeed Jul 08 10:10:11 bbiab Jul 08 10:10:32 what networks are you two on? Jul 08 10:17:00 hm bug 14219 Jul 08 10:17:03 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14219 maj, Low, 1.1.90.4, qiang.z.zhang, ASSI, Zypper slowness before each operation Jul 08 10:17:06 * lcuk has not had this for a while Jul 08 10:40:35 alterego, are you using Windows for your sdk installation for symbian? Jul 08 10:42:32 Yeah, Jul 08 10:50:36 * RzR950 just ran its first package on the devkit :) Jul 08 10:56:51 in the qt creator, if I add some text files to the project, how do I make sure they are deployed with the app? Jul 08 10:57:23 ie, like a readme file Jul 08 11:01:11 join #meego-arm Jul 08 11:01:17 damn) Jul 08 11:01:30 hello all :) Jul 08 11:01:50 hi wazd Jul 08 11:01:54 how are you today? Jul 08 11:02:36 RzR950: Do you really have to target 50 repositories? Jul 08 11:03:14 RzR950: That goes a bit against fair use. Jul 08 11:16:35 hello Jul 08 11:16:47 salut Jul 08 11:16:53 http://2011.rmll.info/?lang=en Jul 08 11:17:19 hey CosmoHill how are you? how finish your football club? Jul 08 11:17:23 :) Jul 08 11:17:43 we did well Jul 08 11:18:02 came 4th overall I believe Jul 08 11:18:09 anyone go here next week? http://2011.rmll.info/?lang=en Jul 08 11:18:47 CosmoHill, nice my club town is ankruptcy lol Jul 08 11:18:57 bankruptcy Jul 08 11:19:03 I was looking at the foodball stuff they sound, load of crap Jul 08 11:19:07 oh dear Jul 08 11:19:17 got to give mum a lift, bbl Jul 08 11:28:49 what is the best resource to find out about Qt options for file deployment? (for misc text files added to project with OTHER_FILES) Jul 08 12:15:39 if I want to install source packages in the n900ce, which repository do I need to add Jul 08 12:35:35 lbt, I created a project on my obs Jul 08 12:35:39 https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Alcuk%3AlibXv_bug13084 Jul 08 12:35:49 X-Fade, lbt: Hi! Is it now okay or what is the situation ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=openal-soft&project=home%3Adjszapi I see a kernel panic if I click on the finished link. Also, this link does not still contain any packages: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3AHarmattan Jul 08 12:36:52 and I added 2 repositories, MeeGo Distributions "MeeGo 1.2", and MeeGoDE distributions "Project DE Trunk Testing" Jul 08 12:38:17 assuming that is correct, how do I then download the latest version of libXv into my lcuk project? Jul 08 12:38:34 djszapi, \o Jul 08 12:38:38 djszapi: I think the kernel panic is irrelevant; the problem is the tarring failed because of the symlink(?) Jul 08 12:39:10 hello bello lcuk :) Jul 08 12:39:29 djszapi: ...I get the same kernel panic at the end of my Harmattan builds and it succeeded: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=attitude&project=home%3Ajaffa&repository=Harmattan Jul 08 12:39:36 lcuk: you missed the last meego meetup, we got a N950 :) Jul 08 12:40:13 Jaffa: it is very odd we built harmattan packages, but this page tells us that there is no available packages yet: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3AHarmattan Jul 08 12:40:31 djszapi: That's different. That's a project, just like our home projects. Jul 08 12:40:44 djszapi: The two won't share packages (unless my knowledge is fundamentally wrong) Jul 08 12:40:45 Jaffa: it failed, why ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=attica&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan Jul 08 12:41:09 djszapi: I dunno why but there's a line sayin g"debian transforming failed" with an error above it. Jul 08 12:41:16 djszapi: Suggest you start with those :-) Jul 08 12:41:40 djszapi: You should be able to do: dpkg-source -x _.dsc and then dpkg-buildpackage in Scratchbox to reproduce locally Jul 08 12:41:42 Jaffa: what do you mean ? Jul 08 12:42:09 Jaffa: I have internal Nokia scratchbox Jul 08 12:42:23 but that should cause any problem since the debian folder is the same with public sb, too. Jul 08 12:42:28 * should not Jul 08 12:43:24 Jaffa: I have no clue Jul 08 12:44:02 Jaffa: I created the description manually, wasn't it a clever idea ? Jul 08 12:45:40 djszapi, the N9(50) devices are awesome, I have one on the way as well Jul 08 12:45:56 debian tar and directory both contain 'control' Jul 08 12:45:56 debian transforming failed. Jul 08 12:45:58 djszapi: I'm afraid I don't understand. There's an error, I've no idea what it means - but I *guess* you've got a 'debian' directory inside your _.orig.tar.gz Jul 08 12:46:09 so I should remove the control from the debian tarball ? That is odd. Jul 08 12:46:12 lcuk, did you install android on it already? ;P Jul 08 12:46:14 djszapi: "dpkg-source -x _.dsc" would reproduce it Jul 08 12:46:20 vvaltone, lol! Jul 08 12:46:23 djszapi: No, you shouldn't have it in your .orig.tar.gz Jul 08 12:46:25 no I have not got it yet Jul 08 12:46:26 Jaffa: no, I do not. Jul 08 12:46:31 my current MeeGo devices are working well Jul 08 12:46:34 debian tarball is a different tarball Jul 08 12:46:41 * lcuk has MeeGo N900-ce and Netbook working happily Jul 08 12:46:50 * MSM steals Jul 08 12:46:54 Jaffa, did you get yourself an ideapad ? Jul 08 12:47:16 and have you tried to install attitude onto it (or an exopc) Jul 08 12:47:25 attitude? Jul 08 12:47:29 djszapi: Well, I've no idea how your package is building; since you should have: _.orig.tar.gz, _.dsc, _.debian.tar.gz Jul 08 12:47:50 hmm. Jul 08 12:47:52 lcuk: I tried Attitude when I got the Exo in SF, but it didn't work (looked like accelerometer wasn't reporting) Jul 08 12:47:54 Jaffa: no I do not Jul 08 12:47:57 i just got two "there is a n950 waiting for you" Jul 08 12:48:01 tempting. Jul 08 12:48:07 djszapi: I know you haven't, I can see that on https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=attica&project=home%3Adjszapi Jul 08 12:48:08 Jaffa, if the debian package is not stored in the source code, where do you put things like changelog and other meta info? Jul 08 12:48:12 Jaffa: I have debian.tar.gz (debian folder tarball) and mypackage-version.tar.gz Jul 08 12:48:28 the second tarball has nothing to do with the debian folder since that comes from upstream. Jul 08 12:48:37 lcuk: You have it alongside in another tarball. Then your source code can be combined with .spec to produce RPM or debian tarball to produce DEB Jul 08 12:48:58 Jaffa: well, the link you pasted is expected regarding the tarballs Jul 08 12:49:08 I am now trying to delete teh debian.* files. Jul 08 12:49:37 Jaffa, of course but do you write changelog entries individually into .spc and debian/changelog at the same time? Jul 08 12:50:29 lcuk, best thing would be a script that autogenerates both :) Jul 08 12:50:37 Venemo_N900, :) Jul 08 12:51:01 or one that updates the .spec file from debian or vice versa Jul 08 12:51:10 yep Jul 08 12:51:13 * lcuk ponders such a script Jul 08 12:51:30 it'd be easy to create such an app Jul 08 12:51:32 using debian folder (since versioning is logical there) Jul 08 12:51:40 * djszapi would like to have some success for not losing the sake ;) Jul 08 12:51:41 lcuk: That's what mud2'll do (although Qt Creator doesn't seem to like you maintaining debian/changelog) Jul 08 12:52:03 Jaffa, what package formats does mud use currently? Jul 08 12:52:07 or generate for Jul 08 12:52:12 Qt Creator doesn't like keeping changelogs Jul 08 12:52:27 Jaffa: should I also eliminate the debian.changelog or debian/changelog then ? Jul 08 12:52:38 djszapi: I suggest you look at https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=attitude&project=home%3Ajaffa and http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=15 Jul 08 12:52:39 because I see it that way in a built package. Jul 08 12:52:53 Jaffa, and where does mud get its meta data from? Jul 08 12:53:06 Jaffa: mmh, so the answer is yes :) Jul 08 12:53:13 lcuk: mud2 *currently* just does Harmattan debian for COBS. But it's about 5 lines away from Fremantle debian for autobuilder, and a bit further away from RPM Jul 08 12:53:46 Jaffa, what language is it written in? Jul 08 12:53:50 lcuk: Perl Jul 08 12:53:58 yuck Jul 08 12:54:06 lcuk: http://gitorious.org/attitude/attitude/blobs/master/mud2 Jul 08 12:54:16 Jaffa: seems you have 3 important files and that is: debian.tar.gz mypackage-version.tar.gz and the dsc file Jul 08 12:54:29 Venemo_N900: Don't send any patches then, has the advantage it works on all the platforms (almost out of the box) that the Qt SDK does: Windows, OS X and Linux Jul 08 12:54:43 Jaffa :) Jul 08 12:55:05 djszapi: Yes. Those are the three files you need. mud2 will produce them for you from the root of a Qt Creator project Jul 08 12:55:21 odd Jul 08 12:55:39 Jaffa: finished: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=attica&project=home%3Adjszapi Jul 08 12:55:39 ahhh jaffa Jul 08 12:55:54 debian tar and directory both contain 'rules' Jul 08 12:55:54 duh... Jul 08 12:55:55 I have a similar script for generating debian packaging from (grin) visual basic application Jul 08 12:55:57 debian transforming failed. Jul 08 12:56:00 lcuk, I usually write the full changelog into debian/changelog and write entries like "updated to upstream 1.2.3" into the .spec Jul 08 12:56:20 Jaffa: it gets automatically rebuilt in few mins, doesn't it ? Jul 08 12:57:15 Venemo_N900 your nickname should contain two unneccesary null :) Jul 08 12:57:31 djszapi: Yes Jul 08 12:57:37 one ;) Jul 08 12:57:47 djszapi: Your .dsc file doesn't contain any reference to files, so I've no idea how it's doing *anything* Jul 08 12:57:49 deimos: well n950 is not so good... Jul 08 12:57:58 they do not ship an updated image with it, that is Jul 08 12:58:00 djszapi, what do you mean? Jul 08 12:59:11 Jaffa: that is not needed. Read it here: http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/opensuse-build-system-building-deb-packages Jul 08 12:59:48 The information from the "Files:" to the end of file can be deleted as OBS does not use this and the checksums are likely to become out of date with subsequent releases Jul 08 13:00:02 djszapi: Interesting. Thanks. Jul 08 13:00:24 The Files section of the dsc file is not used by OBS and can be trimmed off to avoid having stale and misleading information around. Jul 08 13:01:42 Well, mud2 generates them before giving you the files to osc commit Jul 08 13:02:24 djszapi: Might be needed to have the same package target Fremantle OBS & Harmattan OBS Jul 08 13:02:27 Jaffa: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=openal-soft&project=home%3Adjszapi it does not really get rebuilt... Jul 08 13:04:05 is fremantle obs available ? Jul 08 13:05:57 RzR950: armvX version, yes. Hence I think yes. Jul 08 13:06:50 was fremantle armv6 ? There is a armv5el and armv7el Jul 08 13:07:10 armv7 Jul 08 13:07:35 that is the version of harmattan in sb by me Jul 08 13:07:39 RzR950: No, Fremantle OBS is not available AFAIK Jul 08 13:07:56 But fremantle target is not available atm. Jul 08 13:08:10 -ENOTIME :) Jul 08 13:10:16 Jaffa: you are lucky, you have some succeeded package :) Jul 08 13:10:34 * X-Fade has 2 ;) Jul 08 13:11:05 djszapi: That's why I wrote mud2, to get it right ;-p Jul 08 13:13:02 alterego, to deploy app on the n8 do you need to install ovi suite as well as qt sdk? Jul 08 13:15:20 lcuk, not necessarily, only the "connectivity driver"+QtSDK on your pc and the "app trk" on the n8 Jul 08 13:15:38 lcuk: If you generate a "smart installer" package, you only need to send the file over Bluetooth to get the package, and have a network connection to let it check Qt depenedcies etc. Jul 08 13:15:43 "app trk"? Jul 08 13:16:00 * Jaffa doesn't bother with APP TRK on the N8 or anything like that - too much faff for no value (if you've got BT in your development machine) Jul 08 13:16:07 lcuk, you can install it from the windows start menu from Qt sdk Jul 08 13:16:08 Jaffa, pressing the run button from qt creator Jul 08 13:16:22 lcuk, it enables you to press the run button and run the app Jul 08 13:16:35 lcuk: On Linux that never works, on Windows - yeah - you need to have an app (TRK) installed on the N8, and running Jul 08 13:16:54 On Linux, the Remote Compiler builds me a .sis which I send over BT and run manually Jul 08 13:17:20 where do I get that from? Jul 08 13:17:31 both are in the Qt SDK Jul 08 13:17:39 if you install the symbian toolchain Jul 08 13:18:25 Jaffa: where did you find the MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan repo on meego OBS ? Jul 08 13:18:34 ok Venemo_N900 so I have the .sisx file in my start menu Jul 08 13:18:49 but do I just copy that over in mass storage mode? (bluetooh not on this computer) Jul 08 13:19:14 lcuk, install that on the device. if you have pc suite then it will automatically install when you click on it Jul 08 13:19:31 ok I am just installing ovi suite Jul 08 13:19:35 thanks Jul 08 13:19:46 maybe ovi suite can do it too Jul 08 13:19:53 captainigloo: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=24917#post24917 Jul 08 13:21:37 Jaffa: thanks a lot Jul 08 13:22:14 Jaffa: what is this red exclamation mark ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=attica&project=home%3Adjszapi Jul 08 13:22:16 ah i need to upload a dsc file and a debian.tar.gz for each package i want to build ? Jul 08 13:22:21 Updated N8 to latest firmware. Jul 08 13:24:44 djszapi: Hover over it Jul 08 13:25:57 Jaffa: yes, I saw, but I do not understand how the repository setup is broken. Jul 08 13:26:18 and the other thing is that it is very odd it says that in this stage and not after the creation. Jul 08 13:28:56 Jaffa: how to fix that stuff ? Jul 08 13:29:33 Jaffa: it's not possible to have the same package build for meego1.2 and meego_harmattan ? Jul 08 13:29:43 i meean the same sources and .spec file Jul 08 13:30:15 captainigloo, you can not build a .spec file for harmattan Jul 08 13:30:23 Jaffa: MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan (armv7el, i586) Jul 08 13:30:24 MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan/Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard Jul 08 13:30:39 captainigloo, but if you restort to using the MeeGo 1.2 API, then yes, they are source compatible Jul 08 13:30:40 How about your architectures settings ? Jul 08 13:30:52 Venemo_N900: arg too bad :( Jul 08 13:31:05 captainigloo: Yes, you can have a project with repositories for Harmattan & MeeGo 1.2 Jul 08 13:31:05 captainigloo, Harmattan uses .deb Jul 08 13:31:13 captainigloo: But it requires .spec & .debian.tar.gz Jul 08 13:31:21 captainigloo, but I can help you with it if you wish Jul 08 13:31:28 djszapi: I've no idea how to fix your stuff. I've pointed you at *my* stuff, which works Jul 08 13:31:42 Jaffa, hmm? .spec? for harmattan? Jul 08 13:32:05 Jaffa: ah ok so if i upload debian.tar.gz, it will build for both meego and harmattan Jul 08 13:32:36 Venemo_N900: i'm not using meego 1.2 api Jul 08 13:32:38 Jaffa: no clue. I should be able to work with it without mud in my not that humble opinion. Jul 08 13:32:46 i'm building EFL Jul 08 13:32:49 captainigloo, then what are you using? Jul 08 13:32:56 captainigloo: Well, the .dsc triggers it. Jul 08 13:33:30 Venemo_N900: libc,X11 and EFL Jul 08 13:34:40 captainigloo, if those are available for both Harmattan and MeeGo, then your package will be source compatible with both Jul 08 13:35:21 Jaffa: I think I found the issue Jul 08 13:36:00 Venemo_N900: ok Jul 08 13:37:04 Jaffa: It is not yellow exclamation mark, not red, so I guess it is ok'ish, just a warning: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=attica&project=home%3Adjszapi Jul 08 13:37:19 and suceeded \o/ Jul 08 13:39:10 captainigloo: for armv7 ? Jul 08 13:49:21 Jaffa: interesting, openal-soft failed with unmet dependency, libasound2-dev. However that should be available on Harmattan. Jul 08 13:52:59 djszapi: Is it in your build-depends? Jul 08 13:53:33 yeah, I think it does not like the [linux-any], let us see Jul 08 13:53:43 if it works, I will go for KDE with mobile profile ;) Jul 08 13:55:36 The N8 has DAB!? Jul 08 13:55:44 really? cool Jul 08 13:55:48 oh, wrong channel Jul 08 13:56:05 DAB is a good beer Jul 08 13:57:55 alterego, which channel? Jul 08 14:02:45 lcuk: heh, if it has DAB it should have all of them .. Jul 08 14:02:57 Shame it doesn't have DVB-T :P Jul 08 14:03:40 oooh liqcalendar in portrait on n8 \o/ Jul 08 14:03:49 next stop, obs and onto n900-ce Jul 08 14:04:01 :) Jul 08 14:04:03 then actually do the rest of the app to make it work :) Jul 08 14:04:03 good job Jul 08 14:04:30 alterego, did you notice the c5 does not have stylus Jul 08 14:04:36 but is nice resistive screen Jul 08 14:05:14 lcuk: yeah, it's a really cute device, I'm donating it to a friend who's had his 5800 stolen Jul 08 14:05:35 I have too much stuff now, :/ Jul 08 14:05:45 you mean your friend is a willing beta tester for your applications Jul 08 14:05:47 I need to start selling/gifting some of it. Jul 08 14:05:50 * jonwil only needs one phone Jul 08 14:05:57 lcuk: all my friends are beta testers :D Jul 08 14:05:58 Jaffa: seriously, libasound2-dev is available.... Jul 08 14:06:00 N900 is all I need :P Jul 08 14:06:10 why doesn't c-obs try to install it ? Jul 08 14:06:17 Although I still have my Z6 sitting around here somewhere for no good reason Jul 08 14:06:25 How can we check out what is available for c-obs ? Jul 08 14:06:35 Tried donating it to the "open source software on Motorola linux phones" people but no-one wanted it Jul 08 14:06:35 djszapi, on meego, the devel packages are not -dev, but instead -devel/ Jul 08 14:06:44 or are you using debian/harmattan Jul 08 14:06:45 lcuk: it is not meego, harmattan Jul 08 14:07:12 * lcuk is happy to see cutewallcalendar Jul 08 14:09:41 djszapi: Ask X-Fade. Jul 08 14:10:14 X-Fade: ! Jul 08 14:10:57 djszapi: log .. or it didn't happen? Jul 08 14:11:16 X-Fade: openal-soft build logs in my project, repo Jul 08 14:11:27 djszapi: link? Jul 08 14:11:32 X-Fade: apt-cache search libasound2-dev Jul 08 14:11:33 libasound2-dev - shared library for ALSA applications -- development files Jul 08 14:11:38 in my sb, internal I know Jul 08 14:11:45 heh, the dab feature requires a 45 quid head set, fuck that. Jul 08 14:11:46 maybe the public does not contain it, can someone double check it ? Jul 08 14:12:02 X-Fade: it is building again Jul 08 14:12:10 X-Fade: How can I give you the previous build log ? Jul 08 14:12:23 You can't. Jul 08 14:12:33 X-Fade: How can I serve you then ? Jul 08 14:13:00 X-Fade: for starter, could you check in publix sb/target whether or not that package is available. Jul 08 14:13:02 Hey, you have a problem.. I don't :) Jul 08 14:13:03 ? Jul 08 14:13:25 djszapi: If you depend on it, it will show you that it is not available. Jul 08 14:13:38 ii libasound2 1.0.24.1-0meego2+0m6 shared library for ALSA applications Jul 08 14:13:42 ii libasound2-plugins 1.0.24~git20100709-0meego2+0m6 ALSA library additional plugins Jul 08 14:13:45 even installed on the N950 we got Jul 08 14:13:50 djszapi: If you use it, but don't depend on it. Your package is broken. Jul 08 14:13:54 (not the *dev though, but still) Jul 08 14:14:09 X-Fade: it told me unmet dependency without trying to install it Jul 08 14:14:41 not sure why it did not try to install if it is available... Jul 08 14:15:08 djszapi: Do you specify libasound2-dev ? Jul 08 14:15:10 X-Fade: Also "No AEGIS_HASH_FDS environment" this security framework related issue appears a lot in the log. Jul 08 14:15:20 X-Fade: yes, that is why it says unmet dependency. Jul 08 14:15:28 djszapi: Read the comment for the project :) Jul 08 14:15:31 Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.50), libasound2-dev, cmake, libpulse-dev Jul 08 14:15:54 X-Fade: what project ? Jul 08 14:16:05 djszapi: The MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan one Jul 08 14:16:34 X-Fade: you mean that it is experimental ? Jul 08 14:17:00 djszapi: Read one more line. Jul 08 14:17:07 X-Fade: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=openal-soft&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan Jul 08 14:17:13 you can now see the failed message Jul 08 14:17:26 X-Fade: Could you please make sure it is available for c-obs ? Jul 08 14:18:04 X-Fade: If you notice any problems, please ping X-Fade on #meego on freenode irc. :p I am poking you. Jul 08 14:18:11 I need libasound2-dev available for my package :) Jul 08 14:18:15 djszapi: Remove [linux-any] Jul 08 14:18:18 did Jul 08 14:18:28 No? Jul 08 14:19:03 really ? Jul 08 14:19:31 I uploaded a version without that actually. Jul 08 14:19:37 maybe another bug of c-obs ;) Jul 08 14:19:58 .dsc is 2 hours old. Jul 08 14:20:18 oh from there Jul 08 14:20:24 yeah, I forgot that, just control.... Jul 08 14:20:34 good to know I need to concentrate on two places then with dependencies, thanks. Jul 08 14:21:44 X-Fade: maybe a warning in the future, if the two does not match ;) Jul 08 14:21:59 djszapi: #opensuse-buildservice Jul 08 14:22:04 right Jul 08 14:28:54 X-Fade: another error: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=openal-soft&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan Jul 08 14:29:14 dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found Jul 08 14:29:33 djszapi: That is quite clear, no? Jul 08 14:29:40 djszapi: dpkg-source is no magic. Jul 08 14:29:47 djszapi: You can test that yourself. Jul 08 14:30:19 X-Fade: well, the openal-soft-1.13.tar.gz is there. Jul 08 14:30:34 djszapi: wrong format dsc then. Jul 08 14:30:59 X-Fade: what do you mean ? Jul 08 14:31:08 djszapi: google it. Jul 08 14:31:35 djszapi: I need to go, basically debian format 3 is different from older format. Jul 08 14:31:53 djszapi: requires you to name files differently. Look at Jaffa's project. Jul 08 14:32:04 ah with orig bah Jul 08 14:33:13 X-Fade: but why is it different for different packages ? Jul 08 14:33:35 djszapi: You need to specify format. Jul 08 14:38:58 X-Fade: how and format of what ? Jul 08 14:39:49 I just remove debian/source, let us try. Jul 08 14:53:10 X-Fade: fixed, how does c-obs work ? If I upload the tar.gz file again after the build started but in the environment setup change, will it take the new or old tar.gz ? Jul 08 15:13:00 X-Fade: it now tells the repository is broken. However I did not change anything about the repository. Jul 08 15:17:25 X-Fade: BTW, is it possible to find all projects which have published packages using a particular repository (i.e. find anyone who's using Harmattan COBS so I can play with their packages)? Jul 08 15:18:40 Jaffa: my repository got broken according to the red exclamation and I did not change anything, funky. Jul 08 15:23:57 X-Fade: it seems a broken build machine to me. Jul 08 16:02:44 people, anyone working with the bluetooth nokia DTV tunner? Jul 08 16:03:01 working in supporting this device. Jul 08 16:19:12 RzR950: if i could create package for meego 1.2 x86/armv7 and meego harmattan armv7 it would be cool Jul 08 16:19:45 you receive your device, lucky guy :) Jul 08 17:07:24 hi, does anyone know, how i can access n900 nand with meego 1.2? /dev/mtd* does not exist Jul 08 17:52:40 captainigloo: yes and I am root :) Jul 08 18:05:56 me watches webcast on android openness that concludes that android is semi open: http://marakana.com/static/slides/OpenAndroid.pdf Jul 08 18:06:14 s/me//me Jul 08 18:06:18 :-) Jul 08 18:06:29 yes and no Jul 08 18:06:44 the android license certainly allows you to fork your own advanced version Jul 08 18:13:05 http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/12/google-android-skyhook-lawsuit-motorola-samsung/ Jul 08 18:34:40 is it normal that nand vendor is not recognized? http://pastebin.com/VrWaF1S6 Jul 08 19:12:46 alterego, ping Jul 08 19:13:50 i have a simple qwidget based project with a container holding 52 rows of data inside it, dragging the mouse moves the whole group container Jul 08 19:14:15 and it is slower at scrolling than the other things on n8 o_O Jul 08 19:14:29 * lcuk really wonders where qt scaleability is coming from Jul 08 19:19:46 Sage: ping Jul 08 19:21:33 lcuk: got the source somewhere? Jul 08 19:23:51 lcuk: pongo Jul 08 19:24:26 lcuk: what's you model? Jul 08 19:28:11 w00t, not yet uploaded I cannot suss out how to do Nokia Developer account uploads and stuff yet Jul 08 19:29:08 essentially, MainWindow contains YearView contains 52*WeekView contains 7*DayView Jul 08 19:29:44 DayView is a qwidget with its paint method overloaded or whatever it is and just coloring a rectangle Jul 08 19:30:02 hmm Jul 08 19:30:25 ahh perhaps I can prevent painting of the parent widgets Jul 08 19:30:36 ie Year/Week ones Jul 08 19:30:51 since the only drawing operation is the calendar day item itself Jul 08 19:31:02 * lcuk does not know how to do that though hmm Jul 08 19:31:27 You're not creating a proper model of data then, and then making diffrenet "views" .. Jul 08 19:31:36 erm, I gotta dash, I'll be back in a bit or tomorrow. Jul 08 19:32:13 Qt::WA_OpaquePaintEvent Jul 08 19:32:20 alterego, no need for that Jul 08 19:32:25 in the paint event of a dayview Jul 08 19:32:43 if!sketchloaded() and fileexists(date) loadsketch Jul 08 19:32:52 else paintsketch() Jul 08 19:32:56 works a treat Jul 08 19:33:05 no need to overcomplexify Jul 08 19:35:10 :/ Jul 08 19:38:09 ahh that did appear to resolve it setAttribute(Qt::WA_OpaquePaintEvent,true); Jul 08 19:40:53 i need pyqt for meego… where should i get it? Jul 08 19:45:05 luist: it's not packaged, you'll have to build it yourself Jul 08 19:49:48 auke: oh great Jul 08 19:51:17 luist, shouldn't take more than 5 minutes ;) Jul 08 19:51:17 yeah, it sucks to have to learn a real programming language ;) Jul 08 19:51:33 auke, like what? Jul 08 19:51:43 lcuk: yeah but ill have to package it = Jul 08 19:51:48 haskelllllllllllllll Jul 08 19:52:03 * lcuk writes pseudocode Jul 08 19:52:25 lcuk: your programs pseudo-work? Jul 08 19:53:05 * auke approaches -EOFFTOPIC Jul 08 19:53:07 auke, yes! http://liqbase.net/liq.20110621_200232.codebox4.scr.png Jul 08 19:54:15 lcuk: I pseudo-applaud :) Jul 08 20:04:44 I installed java from the community repo (netbook) and an rpm is complaining bout dependencies: "java >= 1:1.5.0 needed..." Jul 08 20:13:37 nevermind. --nodeps did the trick Jul 08 20:31:07 what's the new installer called, the simplified one ? Jul 08 21:56:39 evening all# Jul 08 21:57:19 hi Jul 08 22:12:12 hey lbt Jul 08 22:12:26 o/ Jul 08 22:33:16 * CosmoHill found out it would be about £12,000 for a PHD Jul 08 22:34:29 That's a lot of burger flipping. Jul 08 22:35:46 CosmoHill: I'd stop at a Bachelor degree & get a job with a company that pays tuition for advanced degrees Jul 08 22:35:55 that's how I got my Master's Jul 08 22:36:18 It's actually cheaper to get a PHD instead of a masters Jul 08 22:36:42 ok, then let the company pay for your PHD :) Jul 08 22:37:31 I do need to sort myself out and get a job Jul 08 22:37:36 or at least start lookin Jul 08 22:38:21 I think a year or 2 working a real job in your field gives you a better prospective on education Jul 08 22:38:39 and you might decide to get your PHD in a related but slightly different field Jul 08 22:38:45 after working full-time for a bit Jul 08 22:39:09 since I've finished uni and not got a job I've kinda zoned out Jul 08 22:39:13 and you make decent money while you decide Jul 08 22:39:56 any tips for boosting my confidence? I'm fine doing stuff for myself but if I do it for someone else / money I don't feel like I'm good enough Jul 08 22:41:37 I look around at a lot of people working in our field and most of them only know some of what they should Jul 08 22:42:11 that might actually help Jul 08 22:42:33 I've also hired people who had only some of what I thought I wanted because they were smart & I could teach them the rest Jul 08 22:42:43 I seem to be able to do a better job than the people paid to do it some of the times Jul 08 22:42:46 none of us know what we're doing all the time Jul 08 22:43:09 good enough is usually defined as being able to figure it out well enough to get the job done :) Jul 08 22:43:43 and the big difference between uni and real work is that you can copy off of the guy next to you and it's not cheating, it's reuse :) Jul 08 22:44:29 In most jobs, if you need a little help with part of a project there is probably someone who can help you figure out the bit you don't know Jul 08 22:44:43 yeah, you can also look up stuff that you know but can't recall where as in an exam you write down a load of stuff you think you know Jul 08 22:45:02 exactly Jul 08 22:45:43 some of the people I know who are most successful are just better at finding information quickly and knowing who to ask for help Jul 08 22:51:44 thanks for talking to me, it's helped :) Jul 08 22:57:30 I'm a little surprised that I've managed to go through without finding a specific field that I'd like Jul 08 22:58:29 if any thing I'm interested in more feilds and I've done things I've never thought of before like parallel computing Jul 08 22:59:56 happy to help. Jul 08 23:00:32 I've changed careers a bunch of times & have figured out which things I like better than others Jul 08 23:00:49 but it just takes some time actually doing them to figure it out Jul 08 23:03:40 as long as it doesn't involve matlab Jul 09 00:08:01 night night Jul 09 00:08:17 night Cosmo Jul 09 01:57:13 man, qt creator has a real issue with my wacom driver Jul 09 02:51:53 morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 09 02:59:57 2011