**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 14 02:59:57 2011 Jul 14 03:31:43 good morning Jul 14 03:37:59 hm Jul 14 03:38:05 qt sdk maintenance tool broke again :/ Jul 14 04:53:15 dzień dobry Jul 14 04:53:46 sweet, qtsdk on linux is all like "I don't know what a qtdeclarative is" Jul 14 05:10:47 symbol lookup error: /home/zx2c4/Projects/N950/Qt/Simulator/QtMobility/gcc/lib/libQtMobilitySimulator.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN18QtSimulatorPrivate19SimulatorConnection8instanceEv Jul 14 05:10:57 any ideas? Jul 14 05:23:02 i'm trying to edit my n900 rootfs under meego, it seems to only want to mount read-only Jul 14 05:57:04 I saw that before, it means maemo didnt shut down cleanly Jul 14 06:04:25 yep, i had a nearly dead battery, trying so many reboots must have messed it up Jul 14 06:18:41 ah well, reflashed rootfs, no big deal Jul 14 08:13:49 Hi now that i have a working HDMI using NVidia ion on zotac zbox for meego netbook Jul 14 08:14:07 i was hoping someone could help Jul 14 08:27:32 lcuk, I don't understand your question. what are "meego bugzilla components"? Jul 14 08:27:46 there is https://gitorious.org/meego-bugzilla Jul 14 08:28:00 he's alive! Jul 14 08:35:05 andre__, I just noticed it and wondered whether it was of use to you Jul 14 08:35:36 morning btw \o Jul 14 08:40:07 lcuk: something useful in MeeGo? hmm, I support the general idea! Jul 14 08:46:27 has anyone managed to get exopc hdmi to work? I have the chrontel pkg installed but I need to load the i2c modules and they don't seem to exist Jul 14 09:05:31 andre__, i packaged zeitgeist for meego Jul 14 09:05:54 now i need to get the "aegis" stuff working for me so i can access the "location" Jul 14 09:06:10 interesting Jul 14 10:01:22 hi all Jul 14 10:02:09 hi Jul 14 10:03:17 Elleo: hi :) I finally was able to setup Scratchbox. I've copied sources to my Scratchbox home folder, I've copied the debian/* and modified the debian/rules (uncommenting the lines with "Uncomment this to use outside QtCreator ecc...). What is now the command to try to create the debian package? Jul 14 10:03:21 Howdy Jul 14 10:04:47 dhbuild.... dh-build... can't remember :\ Jul 14 10:05:00 Andy80: normally that would be dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Jul 14 10:05:15 Ronksu: thanks (damn memory -.- ) Jul 14 10:09:07 it worked :) Jul 14 10:10:03 brik_: http://threepanelsoul.com/ Jul 14 10:12:00 :> Jul 14 10:13:00 brik_, congrats Jul 14 10:13:50 ty :) Jul 14 10:14:07 * CosmoHill wonders where his grade is Jul 14 10:15:26 Morning, all Jul 14 10:15:57 morning Jaffa \o Jul 14 10:16:47 http://web.anglia.ac.uk/anet/academic/public/official_results_notice.pdf Jul 14 10:16:58 that's definitely yesterday's date, right? Jul 14 10:16:59 brik_: congrats Jul 14 10:21:25 am I missing something or Harmattan target is not available here in OBS https://build.pub.meego.com/project/add_repository_from_default_list?project=home%3Aandreagrandi ? Jul 14 10:24:41 what would i need to do to get EGL / OpenGL ESv2 working with NVIDIA ion.. meego IVI uses opengl es2 .. does anyone know of a libEGL.so i can use? Jul 14 10:25:12 oh found... Jul 14 10:31:40 lbt: is OBS for Harmattan working at the moment? Jul 14 10:32:19 lbt: I'm following Jaffa's instructions here http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=25005&postcount=29 but after adding the build target nothing happens Jul 14 10:41:17 does anybody know where the joggler images are? Jul 14 10:41:59 doesn't vgrade have them? Jul 14 10:42:21 i know they were made Jul 14 10:42:35 thusfar I have managed to create a netbook image Jul 14 10:42:42 could not get n900 image working Jul 14 10:42:52 and so was going to have a try with joggler Jul 14 10:43:33 Andy80: fair old queue Jul 14 10:52:45 lbt: I just need to wait? Jul 14 10:56:22 Is Fedora15 supported now for building images with mic2 ? Jul 14 10:58:02 hey slaine Jul 14 10:58:33 Hey CosmoHill Jul 14 11:01:37 lol, I see someone asked the very same question on the mailing list and got posted the link I just opened a moment ago Jul 14 11:02:27 :) Jul 14 11:07:02 is it a good idea to throw std::bad_alloc in case of OOM in qt app on MeeGo Jul 14 11:08:40 in Meego, during OOM, new/malloc overcommit memory or throw std::bad_alloc Jul 14 11:11:03 bkalinga, that is a general Qt issue ? Jul 14 11:12:16 lcuk: agree, i am writing a plug-in for input engine.so do i need to worry about handling OOM Jul 14 11:12:47 or checking each pointer for a null check if (newPtr) {..} Jul 14 11:13:38 bkalinga, then ask specifically in the #meego-inputmethods, though mikhas and araujo and some of the other members are here, best to try there Jul 14 11:14:00 ok Jul 14 11:25:00 hrm Jul 14 11:25:10 got my internet working on #n950 Jul 14 11:25:13 and tried to connect to meego.com Jul 14 11:26:09 hey, i'm starting my vacation now, back work 8.8.2011. i will follow irc and my mails, but not so active... Jul 14 11:26:23 iekku: enjoy :) Jul 14 11:26:31 CosmoHill, i will :) Jul 14 11:26:43 CosmoHill, and i will come back as a mrs.... Jul 14 11:27:04 * CosmoHill blinks Jul 14 11:27:06 "yay"? Jul 14 11:27:36 :) Jul 14 11:33:36 hello Jul 14 11:33:44 salut .o/ Jul 14 11:34:08 bonjour CosmoHill (shouldn’t we speak english here ? :) ) Jul 14 11:34:24 oui >.> Jul 14 11:34:45 I just dumped meego 1.2 on my n900, works great :) Jul 14 11:34:59 but I tried to install git and it say I’m missing perl(Error) Jul 14 11:35:13 is this a known issue or can I report it somewhere ? Jul 14 11:35:26 lcuk: couldn't open page : ssl handshake failed Jul 14 11:35:28 you could look in bugs.meego.com to see if someone else has had a similar issue Jul 14 11:35:30 :( Jul 14 11:35:42 thanks :) Jul 14 11:36:09 lbt: thiago was having that issue yesterday Jul 14 11:36:21 seems like there’s no bug about it Jul 14 11:36:26 I’ll check the ml just in case Jul 14 11:37:24 mmh no, nothing there either, I’ll report that bug then Jul 14 11:37:42 before you dod Jul 14 11:37:46 have you updated meego? Jul 14 11:38:35 no, just ran zypper refresh Jul 14 11:38:45 try updating and rebooting first Jul 14 11:38:58 ok Jul 14 11:39:38 mmh btw I forgot my password but can’t seem to find a page to recover it on bugs :/ Jul 14 11:45:59 could you log in as the root user and reset your user's password? Jul 14 11:46:52 lbt, was the first page I tried to open I hear the issue is sorted though Jul 14 11:47:28 CosmoHill: I mean on bugs.meego.com, I don’t think I can log in as root on it :) Jul 14 11:48:08 IIRC it's single sign on Jul 14 11:49:06 ah I see, thanks :) Jul 14 11:59:48 CosmoHill: lcuk OK ... will look at it later :) Jul 14 12:09:48 Andy80: just glanced at your obs config and you odn't seem to have the harmattan build target setup Jul 14 12:10:16 Andy80: I found that trying to do it through the advanced settings didn't do anything for me, so edited the raw config manually and it worked fine Jul 14 12:10:22 Elleo: I tried to add it following Jaffa's instructions but it does not work Jul 14 12:10:38 Elleo: neither the raw works... I get an error Jul 14 12:10:47 Andy80: what's the error? Jul 14 12:10:53 make sure it's within the section Jul 14 12:11:24 section, sorry Jul 14 12:11:30 Andy80: see https://build.pub.meego.com/package/meta?package=librefm&project=home%3Aelleo for an example Jul 14 12:11:33 * lcuk lunches Jul 14 12:11:42 CosmoHill: doh, the phone call icon disappeared with the upgrade Jul 14 12:11:42 oh no, hang on I think I did mean the project section Jul 14 12:11:46 of a different config Jul 14 12:11:50 Elleo: I get this http://pastebin.com/8BaBZA90 Jul 14 12:11:57 ah WITHIN Jul 14 12:11:59 as I just pointed you at the wrong one Jul 14 12:11:59 shikamaru: that sounds bad... Jul 14 12:12:33 but the phone app still works though Jul 14 12:13:08 Elleo: ok I wait.. Jul 14 12:13:44 Andy80: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=home%3Aelleo <-- that's the example I meant to give Jul 14 12:14:01 still can’t install git, will report a bug Jul 14 12:14:50 Config successfully saved Jul 14 12:14:51 :) Jul 14 12:14:54 great :) Jul 14 12:15:36 Elleo: I just have to wait now? Jul 14 12:16:01 Andy80: yep Jul 14 12:16:14 in a little while it'll show up as having a build status of "scheduled" Jul 14 12:16:21 at which point you'll know its entered the queue correctly Jul 14 12:16:25 then you just have to wait your turn Jul 14 12:16:59 cool :) Jul 14 12:17:06 Andy80: you can see how many packages are in the wait queue and the average build time here: https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old Jul 14 12:18:54 build status: Jul 14 12:18:54 Harmattan Jul 14 12:18:54 armv7el Jul 14 12:18:54 building Jul 14 12:20:58 :) Jul 14 12:21:15 Elleo: I had to modify the debian/rules file generated by QtCreator... there are some lines to uncomment and you also have to put the .pro file name next to qmake Jul 14 12:21:37 ah right, worth remembering for anyone else doing stuff via qtcreator Jul 14 12:21:48 t generated both .deb and all .dsc and tar.gz files Jul 14 12:22:05 CosmoHill: done, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21147 thanks for your help :) Jul 14 12:22:08 Bug 21147 nor, Undecided, ---, need-maintainer, NEW, Can’t install git because of missing perl(Error) Jul 14 12:22:15 shikamaru: you're welcome Jul 14 12:22:16 then I had to manually remove the debian/ from tar.gz and put it in a separate tar.gz (I followd wiki instructions) Jul 14 12:22:43 Elleo: you don't use QtCreator? Jul 14 12:23:21 Andy80: I used the harmattan create-project tool to create the initial project, packaging, etc. Jul 14 12:23:44 I’ll transfert my git repo from my computer in the meantime Jul 14 12:23:46 Elleo: where do I find this script? Jul 14 12:24:08 by the way what is the name of the phone app (so that I can launch it from a terminal) ? Jul 14 12:24:24 perhaps I can even restore the shortcut Jul 14 12:24:34 anyway... I really think that QtCreator should be integrated with OBS Jul 14 12:25:05 mmh actually it’s just that the icon is blank, the shortcut still exists :) Jul 14 12:25:16 Andy80: it's in the scratchbox environment that gets setup by the harmattan sdk installer Jul 14 12:31:44 * CosmoHill wonders if anyone knows where to get a Mips or Arm desktop Jul 14 12:32:13 you mean the hardware? Jul 14 12:32:22 yeah Jul 14 12:32:46 ARM desktops I've never seen, but there are ARM netbooks Jul 14 12:32:55 thin, light and long battery life Jul 14 12:33:04 I saw an ARM desktop but I was 4 / 5 years old Jul 14 12:33:06 MIPS desktops... only old SGI ones Jul 14 12:34:29 I wonder if there are MIPS or ARM co-processors that developers can us to run code natively Jul 14 12:34:56 thiago: i guess something like trimslice would qualify as a arm 'desktop' Jul 14 12:35:10 Elleo: it's in the queue https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old :) Jul 14 12:36:19 Looks like maplins has dumped anything that doesn't run Windows Jul 14 12:36:42 people top stop people asking if an ARM 400Mhz netbook would run Windows Vista Jul 14 12:37:47 http://www.maplin.co.uk/7inch-android-2.1-scroll-tablet-510662 Jul 14 12:38:54 Cortex-A9 dual-cores or quad-cores running at over 1 GHz should run fine Jul 14 12:40:01 I've been thinking about getting one of those trimslice boxes as a prototype for a Set Top Box Jul 14 12:41:09 it's sad the sata is usb attached on them Jul 14 12:42:34 CosmoHill, reading my log, earlier/yesterday you said you were waiting for your degree classification and you said 1, 2.1 (eg. firsts, second firsts). But I thought you went to UCLA and therefore would get magna cum laude or suma cum laude or regular or whatever the US standard is? Jul 14 12:42:38 it has mmc thought right ? Jul 14 12:42:52 * thiago is going to buy a Netgear WNDR3700, which has a MIPS 680 MHz processor with 64 MB of RAM Jul 14 12:43:15 Termana: what's UCLA? Jul 14 12:43:40 thiago, hmm but it also says netgear Jul 14 12:43:40 University of California at Los Angeles Jul 14 12:44:13 otherwise who is it in here that goes to UCLA? :p Jul 14 12:45:06 hmm, ARM11 800Mhz, 256MB DDR2, £100 + p&p Jul 14 12:45:22 "Wi-Fi 0.3 megapixel Webcam" << that's not right Jul 14 12:46:14 CosmoHill, are you yanking my chain? Jul 14 12:46:25 about the wifi or UCLA? Jul 14 12:46:30 UCLA Jul 14 12:46:40 * CosmoHill has never been to America :) Jul 14 12:47:10 thiago, yes, ram is so expensive people would go bankrupt with anything more than 64mb :P Jul 14 12:48:27 http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/49917 Jul 14 13:23:35 mmh I am developping a pyside application for maemo, but would like it to integrate well with meego as well Jul 14 13:24:08 but running it as is shows something that’s not very different from the app launched on my desktop Jul 14 13:24:29 are there some specific python modules to handle auto-orientation, stacked windows and so on ? Jul 14 13:30:31 shikamaru, QWidgets are not much recommended anymore Jul 14 13:31:02 Venemo: does that mean that I would have to rewrite completely in QML ? :/ Jul 14 13:32:10 qml plus components Jul 14 13:32:15 pyside can use qml Jul 14 13:32:20 in fact, it integrates very well Jul 14 13:32:24 shikamaru, it isn't as bad as it sounds at first, believe me Jul 14 13:33:35 mmh is QML available for maemo as well ? Jul 14 13:33:50 Elleo: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=cutesoma&project=home%3Aandreagrandi&repository=Harmattan - Kernel panic O_o ?! Jul 14 13:34:09 (I don’t consider it bad, just would like to avoid to do the same work twice :) ) Jul 14 13:34:12 shikamaru, yes, although you'd have to ask someone more knowledgeable about its current state Jul 14 13:34:27 shikamaru, also see http://achipa.blogspot.com/2011/07/qt-components-story-of-ugly-qwidgetling.html Jul 14 13:34:28 ok, thanks for the reply Jul 14 13:40:22 Andy80: yeah, that seems to happen when a build fails Jul 14 13:40:41 Andy80: but your build failed because of problems in your packaging, not because of the kernel panic Jul 14 13:40:49 the panic is a sympton of things already having failed Jul 14 13:41:08 Venemo: very interesting link, thanks ! Jul 14 13:41:22 Elleo: ok.. I'll give a look later.... I've to go out now Jul 14 13:41:24 shikamaru, thank achipa Jul 14 13:48:23 * lcuk boiling today Jul 14 13:48:40 walking in the sunshine is thirst inducing Jul 14 13:48:47 * lcuk seeks cool drink Jul 14 13:53:06 hello Jul 14 13:53:17 hey Jul 14 13:58:11 * CosmoHill gets annoyed at mips64 Jul 14 13:59:47 ah ? Jul 14 14:00:10 I'm trying to compile cross-lfs for mips64 but gcc keeps seg faulting Jul 14 14:00:55 mmh I had the same issue too, but I think that was not because of gcc itself, but binutils Jul 14 14:01:26 oh really? I've applied a patch to gcc and it no longer segfaults on mips32 Jul 14 14:12:18 ffs Jul 14 14:12:41 I don't hear from my friend all day and now he wants to meet up, 5 mins before the schools let out Jul 14 14:31:34 is it normal that the trunk tablet images are ~300MB whereas the 1.2 and 1.2.1-to-be are ~500MB? Jul 14 14:33:36 Saviq, sounds reasonable Jul 14 14:33:48 ok Jul 14 14:34:11 I recall some recent trimming of large images Jul 14 14:34:13 the inverse occured a couple of months ago with n900 handset builds Jul 14 14:34:15 (pictures) Jul 14 14:34:20 there was a lot of media for instance Jul 14 14:47:38 is there a repository for meego appup free applications? Jul 14 14:53:57 luist, is there an appup client for meego instances? Jul 14 14:54:11 lcuk: hm... yes Jul 14 14:55:21 lcuk: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-sdk-suite theres a link on this page... its a beta versino Jul 14 15:01:19 * Andy80 back Jul 14 15:01:31 Elleo: of course I got an error: dpkg-source: error: File /usr/src/packages/SOURCES/cutesoma_0.1.0.tar.gz has size 35018 instead of expected 38189 Jul 14 15:01:48 Elleo: I removed debian folder from already packaged and signed tar.gz... Jul 14 15:02:02 Hi, anyone here who could give me a little hint. I wrote an applicaton for my n950. So far so good. I can start this app via terminal. Somehow I was even able to put an icon on the desktop, but when I tap the icon, nothing happens. I am a bit 'fresh' with meego and n950. Is there somehere a log where I could find an error message? Lokked into /var/log, but nothing useful Jul 14 15:06:08 GSIrc: what does your .desktop file look like? Jul 14 15:07:55 Type=Application Jul 14 15:07:56 Name=Gemote Jul 14 15:07:56 Icon=gemote Jul 14 15:07:56 Exec=/usr/bin/invoker --type=m /usr/bin/gemote Jul 14 15:07:56 X-Maemo-Service=com.solutions-greenflow.gemote Jul 14 15:07:56 OnlyShowIn=X-MeeGo; Jul 14 15:08:12 More or less copied and adjusted from the calc app Jul 14 15:08:15 Did anyone ever get the front panel buttons on the Ideapad working ? Jul 14 15:08:26 Tried some variations, but no difference Jul 14 15:08:37 GSIrc: better to use pastebin than paste stuff directly into irc Jul 14 15:09:11 ok.... Though 6 lines would not be that bad. :-) Jul 14 15:10:23 GSIrc, it is meegotouch boosted and compiled with right flags? Jul 14 15:10:54 and when you started from terminal, did you try with invoker? Jul 14 15:11:02 Probably not. But thanks. Try no 941 worked. I always have to ask first before it works :-) Jul 14 15:11:43 * niala wonder if baklight keyboard works on linux ? Jul 14 15:17:27 I'm really starting hating OBS with all my heart -.- Jul 14 15:19:41 Andy80, :( Jul 14 15:20:06 people dislike it for various reasons, but like emacs, it is ever powerful if you can get over the learning curve Jul 14 15:20:25 lcuk: it's a non sense (for me) to waste so much time packagin/deploying ecc... when I could use this time to code Jul 14 15:20:30 http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/curves.jpg Jul 14 15:20:39 Andy80, agreed entirely Jul 14 15:20:55 this is similar hump to get over that many folks have got Jul 14 15:21:22 let's say that from QtCreator to OBS the procedure is not clear at all... Jul 14 15:21:25 and it is non trivial to get round it Jul 14 15:21:37 this may be helpful Jul 14 15:21:37 Andy80: Jaffa is writing a tool for that. Jul 14 15:21:38 http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS Jul 14 15:21:59 first of all you have to move all sources under Scratchbox, move the debian/ folder, modify debian/rules Jul 14 15:22:03 then it's not enough... Jul 14 15:22:17 Andy80: mud2 does that for you. Jul 14 15:23:03 because dpkg-buildpackage create a normal .tar.gz and a .dsc but OBS want the debian/ folder to be in a separate .tar.gz file... Jul 14 15:23:18 lcuk: I followed the wiki but it's not complete at all Jul 14 15:23:27 X-Fade: what is mud2? Jul 14 15:23:31 Andy80: OBS doesn't care if it's in a separate .tar.gz Jul 14 15:23:33 Andy80: You don't have to separate them, you can. Jul 14 15:23:49 Andy80: It is just cleaner if you want to target MeeGo too. Jul 14 15:23:53 Andy80: you only need it in a separate one if you don't want to keep it in your main source tree Jul 14 15:23:59 X-Fade: I've just uploaded without separating them and the package was rejected Jul 14 15:24:12 Andy80: log? Jul 14 15:24:26 X-Fade, mud2 is a step in the right direction for sure Jul 14 15:25:01 X-Fade: it says "the setup of this repository is broken, build not possible" Jul 14 15:25:03 Andy80: Check blubbles in my home, it has no separate debian part. Jul 14 15:25:13 Andy80: Well, there you have it. Jul 14 15:25:19 X-Fade: I just uploaded the .dsc and .tar.gz again... triggering the rebuild Jul 14 15:25:47 X-Fade: this is the page https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cutesoma&project=home%3Aandreagrandi Jul 14 15:26:08 how on earth does somebody make package for debian/ubuntu/maemo4/maemo5/meego_netbook/meego_handset/n900-ce/harmattan Jul 14 15:26:25 and everything in between! Jul 14 15:26:44 lcuk: That is the job for a packager :) Jul 14 15:27:25 Andy80: Your tarball doesn't match the size in your dsc. Jul 14 15:27:37 X-Fade: but that is the OLD error message Jul 14 15:27:56 X-Fade: of course it didn't match... the first time I removed the debian/ folder from the tar.gz... Jul 14 15:28:01 X-Fade, but for greater majority of apps, developer == packager == manager == documentor == tester ;) Jul 14 15:28:14 but now I uploaded only the tar.gz with debian/ included and the .dsc Jul 14 15:28:28 so unless we have dedicated meego packagers standing by Jul 14 15:28:40 oh wait... Jul 14 15:28:47 I didn't click on "trigger rebuild" Jul 14 15:29:00 now it's in scheduled state... let's wait.. Jul 14 15:29:12 Andy80: Whenever you upload, it will rebuild automatically. Jul 14 15:29:30 wel... it didn't Jul 14 15:30:14 Things are not instant. It takes a run of the scheduler for it to be noticed. Jul 14 15:30:19 X-Fade: let's see if I did the right procedure... I copied the two files in my /OBS/...../ folder and did a "osc commit" Jul 14 15:30:47 Andy80: I hope you osc add them first? Jul 14 15:31:07 Andy80: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/source_history?package=cutesoma&project=home%3Aandreagrandi Jul 14 15:31:08 X-Fade: uhm..... yes.... "osc add *" Jul 14 15:31:56 yes.... so the commit was successful? Jul 14 15:32:15 Andy80: If it wasn't, it would not be listed there :) Jul 14 15:32:26 right :) Jul 14 15:35:01 X-Fade: again the same red icon: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cutesoma&project=home%3Aandreagrandi Jul 14 15:35:35 Andy80: Don't mind that. Jul 14 15:36:45 ok, I'll just wait Jul 14 15:53:48 X-Fade: how long does it take to appear here https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old ? Jul 14 15:54:07 Andy80: Check the queue on the monitor page. Jul 14 15:55:42 X-Fade: where exactly? Jul 14 15:56:09 Andy80: without old. Jul 14 15:56:25 Andy80: As you can see there are a lot of apps waiting. Jul 14 15:57:22 X-Fade, http://liqbase.net/packaging_learning_curves.jpg Jul 14 15:57:49 it's building now :) Jul 14 16:00:40 X-Fade: any plans to use OBS even for Maemo5 ? Jul 14 16:01:10 Andy80: Yes, when time permits. Jul 14 16:02:37 nice :) Jul 14 16:03:07 I think it would be less expensive to maintain one single building structure (OBS) then mantaining OBS + Maemo building structure.. Jul 14 16:04:12 Andy80: Well, there is an initial big cost of moving it over ;) Jul 14 16:04:21 Andy80: So it is not always a win. Jul 14 16:31:37 X-Fade: uhm... I got a kernel panic again :P https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=cutesoma&project=home%3Aandreagrandi&repository=Harmattan Jul 14 16:35:52 Andy80: *** No rule to make target `/targets/HARMATTAN_ARMEL/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-maemo/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop. >== Jul 14 16:36:17 your makefile is wrong Jul 14 16:36:21 it's all hardwired for scratchbox Jul 14 16:36:36 Elleo: Makefile is created by qmake Jul 14 16:36:53 ah... Jul 14 16:36:54 did you do a distclean before packaging up your .tar.gz ? Jul 14 16:37:04 otherwise it probably won't regenerate the makefiles with qmake Jul 14 16:37:05 uhm... no Jul 14 16:37:14 which command do I have to use? Jul 14 16:37:18 "make distclean" Jul 14 16:37:56 ok... now dpkgbuild again.... Jul 14 16:38:33 Ola! Jul 14 16:38:37 :) Jul 14 16:40:28 Elleo: now I cannot run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot anymore :\ I get this error: http://pastebin.com/8tFe3QHa Jul 14 16:40:42 julienf: hi Julien :) Jul 14 16:40:49 hello Andy80 Jul 14 16:40:50 :) Jul 14 16:42:04 Andy80: you'll need to run qmake again first Jul 14 16:42:10 but within scratchbox, not withi qtcreator Jul 14 16:42:30 at least I'm guessing it's qtcreator that's adding all those include paths Jul 14 16:42:34 DawnFoster, when you added that task for me in the CO meeting Jul 14 16:42:55 where did it get noted so that I can keep it updated Jul 14 16:42:55 Elleo: but it's in the debian/rules: qmake CuteSoma.pro PREFIX=/usr # Uncomment this line for use without Qt Creator Jul 14 16:43:01 hmm, no, just tried with your source and it adds them when using qmake natively too Jul 14 16:43:14 lcuk: it was just in the minutes Jul 14 16:43:20 not really tracking it elsewhwere Jul 14 16:43:36 Elleo: it worked first time O_o why it's not working anymore now? Jul 14 16:43:37 i will speak with texrat and try to find a place in the wiki Jul 14 16:44:21 it is good to have an area for extra meego device categories and how to approach the distributors and companies involved Jul 14 16:44:31 Andy80: if you run "qmake CuteSoma.pro PREFIX=/usr" it still adds in all the wrong include paths Jul 14 16:44:56 DawnFoster, how is your book coming along? Jul 14 16:45:04 * lcuk is upto chapter 3 in his :) Jul 14 16:45:10 Elleo: do I have to remove the PREFIX ? Jul 14 16:45:18 Andy80: no Jul 14 16:45:29 you need to work out how to get qmake to generate a correct Makefile Jul 14 16:45:47 I hate this :( Jul 14 16:45:59 lcuk: Done! (people can even buy it) :) I have discount codes here that are still live: http://whatdawneats.com/2011/06/buy-the-cookbook-now/ Jul 14 16:46:03 * lcuk offers Andy80 a cookie and some cocoa Jul 14 16:46:08 or here http://whatdawneats.com/2011/06/buy-the-cookbook-now/ Jul 14 16:46:15 thanks lcuk ;) Jul 14 16:48:29 DawnFoster, oooh it is even on amazon.co.uk Jul 14 16:48:30 :D Jul 14 16:48:44 lcuk: really? cool! Jul 14 16:50:32 http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Dawn-Eats-M-Foster/dp/1461043190/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310661754&sr=8-1 Jul 14 16:50:34 Andy80: just uploading a modified version to see if I can get it to build with some simpler rules Jul 14 16:50:38 Hi! Is there anybody here using "osc" for the Open(Suse) Build Service from command line ? Could someone try to install libxml2 for the harmattan target ? Jul 14 16:50:39 I'll let you know if it works Jul 14 16:51:03 Elleo: thank you :) Jul 14 16:51:08 lcuk: nice! Jul 14 16:51:27 DawnFoster, does the pdf work on the kindle? Jul 14 16:51:37 for instance with my "raptor2" package: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=raptor2&project=home%3Adjszapi OBS seems buggy, but unfortunately I cannot use "osc" behind the Nokia proxy. (at least I could not figure it out how yet) Jul 14 16:51:53 Thank You Jul 14 16:51:53 Thank you for requesting What Dawn Eats by Dawn M. Foster (Author) in Kindle Edition. Our goal is to make every title available for Kindle. We will pass your specific request on to the publisher. Jul 14 16:52:00 lcuk: honestly not sure how well it would work Jul 14 16:52:02 ha! Jul 14 16:52:10 only one way to find out! Jul 14 16:52:14 I'm planning of doing a kindle version when I find time Jul 14 16:53:06 DawnFoster, kindles do't taste very nice :P Jul 14 16:53:38 what dawn eats: ground up kindle with a sprinkling ofpepper Jul 14 16:53:53 lcuk: mmm, tasty :) Jul 14 16:53:54 That is also good if someone can help with using "osc" behind the Nokia proxy so that I can do it myself. Either help would be cool! Jul 14 16:54:21 evening alls :) Jul 14 16:54:22 djszapi, there are many things hidden behind proxy Jul 14 16:55:22 lcuk: what are you trying to say ? Jul 14 16:56:07 djszapi, try it from outside the proxy or speak to network engineers to try and cure Jul 14 16:56:24 but you are not the first to mention nokia proxy and connection issues Jul 14 16:56:41 (which is kinda odd since Nokia is about connecting people :P) Jul 14 16:57:10 Yes, it is know issue in only Finland. Unfortunately, I do not have proper internet connection at home for testing, otherwise I would do ! lcuk: Could you please help me with installing the "raptor2" package locally by you ? Jul 14 16:57:46 It seems non-understandable why OBS does not realize I passed the libxml2 as a dependency. Jul 14 16:58:41 djszapi, no for a few reasons, mostlyyou already know more technical stuff than me, and secondly i am going to make most of sunshine and head to park with the kids Jul 14 16:59:17 enjoy! :) Jul 14 17:13:12 djszapi: that doesn't look like an OBS bug to me. You can clearly see "installing libxml2" and "installing libxml2-dev" in the build log. Check your autoconf scripting? Jul 14 17:13:32 That said, I'm near-clueless on Harmattan packaging, so maybe there are some subtleties. Jul 14 17:14:34 andyross: that is odd because it works in scratchbox, mmm. I am not sure I can switch to expat usage without issue. I have just tried to follow the fremantle and debian testing packaging way. Jul 14 17:15:19 andyross: There is no libxml on Harmattan, just libxml2. Hence if it does not work with libxml2, I do not know how to fix it apart from using expat. Interesting why the autotools behave differently there then. Jul 14 17:15:20 Have you checked the configure operation on a hand-installed image with the same package version? Jul 14 17:16:22 andyross: do you mean the config.log or what do you precisely mean by "configure operation" ? That is a bit long to check it manually. Jul 14 17:18:28 after an update on testing branch for meego pinetrail, I go this error : http://pastebin.com/0guP6vXL someone can help me ? Jul 14 17:18:41 configure is a script. You have a configure.ac file in the project which does some magic to detect libxml. Try it on a system you control. Jul 14 17:19:10 basically, trying to do actual development on OBS never works. Code, package, then push. Jul 14 17:19:42 andyross: mh Jul 14 17:19:44 ? Jul 14 17:20:19 as said, I tested it in scratchbox, sorry I cannot do more as aforementioned. I thought if it works in my scratchbox (harmattan environment) than it should also work on OBS. It seems they are different for no valid reason. Jul 14 17:20:38 Same package versions? Jul 14 17:20:46 yes, of course. Jul 14 17:21:16 Checked for extra packages that might be assumed present by the libxml tests? Jul 14 17:21:37 sorry ? Jul 14 17:22:24 Your scratchbox (and you'll forgive me -- I have zero idea about what that is or how it works) likely has a bunch of packages installed that OBS doesn't, just becuase you've used it for a while. Try pruning back to a minimal install. Jul 14 17:25:00 andyross: that is what the dependency list is for. Jul 14 17:27:51 And I suspect your dependency list is just incorrect, and that's been hidden because you have packages already installed in your build environment. Jul 14 17:34:35 andyross: mmh, that can be even if most of the distribution used the same dependencies I checked out there. In that case, it is a tricky issue enough =p Jul 14 17:40:56 gi Jul 14 17:40:59 hiii Jul 14 17:41:09 momken netaraf Jul 14 17:41:46 :) Jul 14 17:41:57 any body here Jul 14 17:42:25 andyross: do you have "osc" btw ? Jul 14 17:43:06 iam from egypt Jul 14 17:43:16 man Jul 14 17:43:19 you Jul 14 17:44:35 hiiiiii Jul 14 17:44:37 hi Jul 14 17:44:40 hi Jul 14 17:44:41 hi Jul 14 17:45:50 I use osc occasionally. In my experience it tends to break in weird ways. Most of my work is small patches to stuff I don't maintain, so the webui and/or hand scripting around the api is a better choice. Jul 14 17:46:31 andyross: I just wanted to ask you whether you can build this raptor2 package, for a quick try. Jul 14 17:46:47 Andy80: I tried building with my modified rules file and it got further, you were missing a build-dep for libqtm-multimedia-dev though so it failed when trying to do stuff with QMediaPlayer Jul 14 17:46:58 Unlikely. I do MeeGo, not Harmattan. I'd need to learn a bunch of stuff first. Jul 14 17:47:03 any girl here Jul 14 17:47:14 Andy80: I've uploaded a new version with that dependency included, its been in the queue for a while though and I'm going out soon, Jul 14 17:47:24 so I don't know if it'll solve everything Jul 14 17:47:45 andyross: you need to learn mmh ? I thought that is the point of OBS, you just give the target and it builds as it happens on the XEN VM machine ? Jul 14 17:47:56 What is the point of OBS if you need to learn target specific things ? Jul 14 17:48:05 Andy80: if it does grab my version from https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=cutesoma&project=home%3Aelleo (it's just the stuff in debian/ that's been changed) Jul 14 18:07:10 Andy80: seems to have worked fine with those changes, so just replace your debian/ files with mine and you should be sorted :) Jul 14 18:11:16 Elleo: just come back from running... I'll give a look at it later :\ thanks in the mean time ;) Jul 14 18:11:43 no worries Jul 14 18:12:01 haven't tried the resulting package out, but it seems to have build okay Jul 14 18:12:25 built* Jul 14 18:12:38 anyway, I'm off out for the evening, bye Jul 14 18:12:49 interesting Jul 14 18:36:59 * CosmoHill waits for gcc to segfault Jul 14 18:40:22 ah there we go Jul 14 18:54:16 cosmohill what are you compiling? Jul 14 18:54:20 gcc Jul 14 18:55:35 http://trac.cross-lfs.org/ticket/864 Jul 14 19:06:00 * CosmoHill thinks mips can go segfault itself Jul 14 19:06:07 got another 2 arches to deal with Jul 14 19:43:02 Andy80: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=15 Jul 14 19:43:17 Andy80: *That*'s mud2 ^^^ Jul 14 20:17:57 hmm tablet connman won't let me configure my DNS Jul 14 20:21:45 berndhs there have been numerous configuration issues with networking Jul 14 20:22:14 yeah i guess Jul 14 20:22:54 but most have been ironed out Jul 14 20:23:07 still would prefer ad-hoc to be usable Jul 14 20:23:07 not the ones i have reported :/ Jul 14 20:23:16 which bug #s Jul 14 20:23:28 oh I forget, its been 6 months or more Jul 14 20:23:48 i dont feel like fighting about it any more, its too hard Jul 14 20:32:03 lcukn900: bug 10878 bug 13653 Jul 14 20:32:06 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10878 nor, Medium, ---, jku, ASSI, networks panel doesn't show ipv6 state Jul 14 20:32:09 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13653 nor, Medium, 1.3, sameo, ASSI, ConnMan applet disconnect does not disconnect ipv6 Jul 14 20:37:14 some of this shows interesting things about UI design though Jul 14 20:37:58 when it is hard to fit all the necessary info on a limited size screen, some designers just ignore parts of the problem Jul 14 20:38:21 and design something that will work for the middle 80% of the cases Jul 14 20:40:20 berndhs, the n950 caters for networking very nicely from what I used Jul 14 20:40:29 certainly better at first day than other devices Jul 14 20:41:07 it does ? use your own,DNS, properly support ipv6 and all that ? Jul 14 20:41:55 at the BCN long weekend i spoke about this exact issue to Martin Schuele Jul 14 20:42:10 berndhs, not sure about ipv6 Jul 14 20:42:14 the middle 80% part ? Jul 14 20:42:16 but the other networking certainly Jul 14 20:42:33 ip address/ subnet/ gateway/dns etc Jul 14 20:43:07 i pointed out that the flow in fremantle to get to those configuration options is the deepest UI dialog depth in the entire system Jul 14 20:43:09 connman isn't actually all that bad on ipv6, it seems to pretty much leave it alone :) Jul 14 20:43:42 heard that the command line networking can support adhoc Jul 14 20:43:44 in meego Jul 14 20:43:54 but there is 0 available ui to configure it Jul 14 20:44:02 which is more frustrating personally than ipv6 Jul 14 20:44:32 i have a private DNS, the public ones don't know all my addresses, and aren't supposed to Jul 14 20:48:04 I GOT A FIRST! Jul 14 20:48:37 tell us about your fr1st time then Jul 14 20:48:50 2010/1 Bachelor of Science with Honours COMPUTER SCIENCE First Class Honours Jul 14 20:48:58 congrats Jul 14 20:49:04 all right! Jul 14 20:49:18 you got what CosmoHill ? Jul 14 20:49:23 CosmoHill, bravo Jul 14 20:49:28 CosmoHill: well done Jul 14 20:49:41 cismohill !!! congratulations for most awesomeness Jul 14 20:50:18 you worked hard at that, well deserved Jul 14 20:50:49 -typo Jul 14 20:51:10 I'm dyslexic, I can barely see typos Jul 14 20:51:17 unless it's in C of course Jul 14 20:51:23 lol Jul 14 20:51:50 Dyslexia highlights the importance of syntax highlighting Jul 14 20:52:13 it also highlights the usefulness of sed Jul 14 20:52:38 and that of sh aliases Jul 14 20:53:05 * CosmoHill needs to replace "predicted 2.1" with "first' on his CV Jul 14 20:53:10 alias mroe='more' Jul 14 20:53:53 there was a word I couldn't spell but used a lot of in my program, I almost did #define WROD WORD Jul 14 20:55:58 so, my lenovo ideapad from dublin gave me a scare earlier this week Jul 14 20:56:08 the battery light was on, but the power button didn't do anything Jul 14 20:56:15 did it hide behind the door and yell BOO when you walked in? Jul 14 20:56:21 i tried removing the battery and other things Jul 14 20:56:31 i thought it was dead! Jul 14 20:56:42 did you call the authorities ? Jul 14 20:56:50 or just a ghost (with a single solitary ghostly battery light) Jul 14 20:56:59 i complained about the product to coworkers Jul 14 20:57:05 I thought a killed my mates laptop without hours of borrowing it, turns out a massive lump of dust got stuck in the fan Jul 14 20:57:13 eventually i discovered that there's a switch next to the power button Jul 14 20:57:18 which basically disables the power button Jul 14 20:57:57 ... Jul 14 20:58:04 lol timeless of course Jul 14 20:58:07 the cool thing was, once i put that switch back in place Jul 14 20:58:14 i was able to turn on my computer and it resumed Jul 14 20:58:16 texrat encountered that in the room at aviva Jul 14 20:58:21 even though i had pulled out the battery Jul 14 20:58:26 nice Jul 14 20:58:34 i think i actually hit that problem when i first got it too Jul 14 20:58:39 but it was ages ago and i'd forgotten Jul 14 20:58:50 really stupid ui Jul 14 20:58:56 easily done, how are you doing? Jul 14 20:59:01 i'm good Jul 14 20:59:06 i'm flying to Paris on Monday Jul 14 20:59:11 timeless: the key is to find the right person to bitch to Jul 14 20:59:12 nice city Jul 14 20:59:35 CosmoHill: that works better when you're in a crowd of people who all have the same product Jul 14 20:59:37 it didn't work well here Jul 14 20:59:47 since no one had it / had seen it / etc. Jul 14 20:59:58 * CosmoHill once sat between a mac fanboy and a windows fan boy Jul 14 21:00:01 anyway, the exopc was here @work Jul 14 21:00:15 timeless, is your ideapad still running w7? Jul 14 21:00:23 timeless: quick question, you ran the lxr instance for meego, right? Jul 14 21:00:31 lcuk: of course :) Jul 14 21:00:36 heh Jul 14 21:00:38 * timeless wants to get w7 on the exopc.. Jul 14 21:00:46 there's a license, but i don't have install media! Jul 14 21:00:46 mine is still happily using netbook Jul 14 21:00:54 lcuk: happily? wow Jul 14 21:00:56 and I am trying to find out how to patch the WM Jul 14 21:01:01 timeless: can be obtained from the exopc support Jul 14 21:01:03 dm8tbr: yeah, mxr.meego.com Jul 14 21:01:06 timeless: just mail them Jul 14 21:01:09 to have sensible alt-tab using a swipe gesture :) Jul 14 21:01:12 dm8tbr: got a link? Jul 14 21:01:28 timeless: not really sorry, just FOAF did that Jul 14 21:01:37 dm8tbr: ok Jul 14 21:01:45 but heard that story several times Jul 14 21:01:56 dm8tbr: anyway, what can i do for you? Jul 14 21:02:03 timeless, of course, this is the screen: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110623_015300.liqbase-playground.scr.png Jul 14 21:02:18 mostly, i'm trying to get sp3000 to pick up mxr and do the minimal necessary maintenance Jul 14 21:02:33 timeless: was just wondering if the mxr is still running etc as I remember hearing that there were some problems in the past Jul 14 21:02:47 dm8tbr: afaict mxr.meego.com still does stuff Jul 14 21:03:07 it's definitely still alive Jul 14 21:03:07 timeless: also it might be interesting to run one for harmattan that's publicly accessible, that's a bit out of meego scope though Jul 14 21:03:25 that's another more interesting kettle of fish Jul 14 21:03:42 for things that are in gitorious, mxr.meego.com/maemo.gitorious.org/ exists iirc Jul 14 21:03:47 and iirc it should more or less do the right thing Jul 14 21:03:47 timeless: where does it pull the data from OBS? or manually added git repos? (pardon my ignorance...) Jul 14 21:04:01 it crawls gitorious and pulls from there Jul 14 21:04:11 if you want to write the code to do obs pulling, that'd be great Jul 14 21:04:13 ah, tnx Jul 14 21:04:14 i'd gladly help out Jul 14 21:04:22 but i ran out of time before leaving nokia Jul 14 21:04:33 N950 rocks :) Jul 14 21:04:34 lbt would knew more about that I guess :) Jul 14 21:04:36 and since i work for rim now, i can't justify doing anything in that area.. Jul 14 21:04:43 I know Jul 14 21:05:03 s/knew/know Jul 14 21:05:06 if you want to see which things are current/working, http://mxr.meego.com/hgweb.cgi (wait, it takes a while to load) lists dm8tbr the repositories on mxr.meego Jul 14 21:05:13 i can't find the connman command line :( Jul 14 21:05:15 the last-modified column is relevant Jul 14 21:05:28 e.g. meego-apps-client unknown unknown 2 days ago Jul 14 21:05:44 so, a couple of things have successfully updated "recently" Jul 14 21:05:48 and most of them are "stuck" Jul 14 21:05:56 ah Jul 14 21:05:57 mmm Jul 14 21:06:05 i don't have easy access to the keys for the box, so i'm not really in a position to find out why/how they're stuck Jul 14 21:06:57 * lbt can look at mxr issues Jul 14 21:07:16 http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-applications/meego-apps-client Jul 14 21:07:20 be happy if someone from the community stood up to look after it though Jul 14 21:07:22 shows that the repository was created two days ago Jul 14 21:07:34 which explains the date Jul 14 21:07:36 and also why it's empty in mxr :) Jul 14 21:07:43 http://mxr.meego.com/meego.gitorious.org/source/meego-apps-client/ Jul 14 21:07:59 (it's empty in gitorious..) Jul 14 21:08:05 lbt: so... Jul 14 21:08:10 if you could visit the box and do: Jul 14 21:08:24 lbt: you could start by convincing me to work on the bots... Jul 14 21:08:27 cd /data/mxr-roots/meego.gitorious.org/ Jul 14 21:08:30 Elleo: finally I had time to incude your debian/ ;) I should be in the queue in minutes Jul 14 21:08:49 hrm Jul 14 21:08:51 actually Jul 14 21:09:03 do a crontab dump and look to see what the crontab says Jul 14 21:09:07 DawnFoster ... when you have a minute.... tweet! Jul 14 21:09:11 i can't remember exactly what it says Jul 14 21:09:26 iirc it's ./update-src.pl meego.gitorious.org Jul 14 21:09:34 (do it w/o the -cron flag) Jul 14 21:09:55 and actually, you might be in /data/mxr/ or something else Jul 14 21:09:57 * timeless shrugs Jul 14 21:10:12 * timeless doesn't really remember the directory structure anymore :( Jul 14 21:10:34 but if you have 20mins or so and can spend them today while i'm alive, it'd work better Jul 14 21:10:39 i'm absolutely unavailable next week Jul 14 21:10:42 timeless: OK Jul 14 21:10:50 and i'm usually hard to grab on friday/saturday Jul 14 21:11:00 (and i need to pack on Sunday) Jul 14 21:11:10 * lbt would like to avoid grabbing a timeless on a fri/sat ... or any other time ;) Jul 14 21:11:35 does it all run as www-data ? Jul 14 21:12:00 the webserver side probably does Jul 14 21:12:04 the update stuff runs as me Jul 14 21:12:11 timeless: I like on macs that you can put them to sleep and swap the batteries over without losing anything :) Jul 14 21:12:28 CosmoHill: that was effectively what happened here Jul 14 21:12:29 I mean older macs where swapping the battery doesn't take 2 hours and a selection of screw drivers Jul 14 21:12:34 heh Jul 14 21:12:51 * CosmoHill is on a 6 year old powerbook Jul 14 21:12:52 but really, it wasn't sleeping, it was deep hibernation Jul 14 21:12:56 ah /data/docroot/mxr/update-full-onetree.sh -cron --by-unit meego.gitorious.org Jul 14 21:13:05 right Jul 14 21:13:07 drop -cron Jul 14 21:13:20 heck, use sh -x and watch it do its stuff Jul 14 21:13:28 you mean edit the crontab and remove the -cron Jul 14 21:13:31 the interesting part should be the call to update-src.pl Jul 14 21:13:38 no, just do it once manually Jul 14 21:13:45 OK Jul 14 21:14:00 there should really be something obvious going wrong Jul 14 21:14:01 so... Jul 14 21:14:12 sh -x /data/.../update.. --by-unit meego.... Jul 14 21:14:25 cd: 1: can't cd to /data/mxr-data/amo/amo Jul 14 21:14:38 yeah, that doesn't sound good Jul 14 21:14:39 warning: could not find time for TIME Jul 14 21:14:49 * timeless wonders if something tried to update mxr itself... Jul 14 21:15:00 the time/TIME thing is ok Jul 14 21:15:10 (it's stupid/annoying, but it's ok) Jul 14 21:15:15 the amo bit is worrisome Jul 14 21:15:49 echo /data/docroot/mxr* |xargs -n1 hg st -R Jul 14 21:15:52 would probably be useful Jul 14 21:15:59 * timeless wonders if something strange happened Jul 14 21:29:20 lbt: you pinged? :) Jul 14 21:29:37 he ponged, but I got him with some Lynx Jul 14 21:29:50 lbt: ah, that was a completely not work related tweet Jul 14 21:29:59 lbt: so nothing to do with you :) Jul 14 21:31:10 damn Jul 14 21:31:16 sorry :( Jul 14 21:38:39 dawnfoster, did i read somewhere that appup allows installation of libraries along with the app? Jul 14 21:38:59 i could put my calendar and apps onto it without porting if so Jul 14 21:39:02 lcukn900: not sure - to be honest, I just work on the open source stuff and not on appup Jul 14 21:39:20 my code is opn source :) Jul 14 21:39:23 :p Jul 14 21:39:43 * lcukn900 prefers open sauce salads and pizzas Jul 14 21:41:37 lcukn900: it does allow library installations - the meego packages on appup are simply rpms like any other, and there's even a way of doing some package dependency stuff through it (called Components)... so yeah, should be entirely possible :) Jul 14 21:41:58 leinir!!! you god Jul 14 21:42:01 but... go to one of the applabs and ask the peeps directly... or just email them, they're very responsive :) Jul 14 21:42:07 is it documented anywhere? Jul 14 21:42:29 i have my meego netbook running all my favourite apps Jul 14 21:42:33 i guess it would be, but i don't have a link handy... Jul 14 21:43:08 i just want a simple way for you lot to also have same and also hopefully put some bread on the table Jul 14 21:43:40 * lcukn900 wants to spend time gardening and bringing up the kids Jul 14 21:44:07 hi noob Jul 14 21:45:01 It's a virgin! Jul 14 21:45:02 in fun news. apt-get install build-essential is the most awesome command to run on n950 Jul 14 21:45:06 ....media customer Jul 14 21:45:48 is a new customer at virgin a virgin virgin? Jul 14 21:46:05 depends if they've spoken to customer services Jul 14 21:47:33 someone suggested a company name as liqware Jul 14 21:47:36 lcukn900: there's something about it here, should give you a nice overview... though you probably want to dig a bit deeper :) http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/article/frequently-asked-questions#dev_00 Jul 14 21:50:23 thiago: is there a workaround for the N950/https issue? Jul 14 21:50:25 thanks leinir, that is indeed helpful the components might be what i am looking for, but i do already have prototype c++ qt calendar core as an alternative Jul 14 21:50:54 * lcukn900 would prefer to maintain libliqbase than rewrite stuff Jul 14 21:50:59 *nods* :) Jul 14 21:54:50 lbt: backport a patch and recompile Qt... Jul 14 21:56:10 so, I send in my info to get a N950, they say, ok, it'll take a week.. Jul 14 21:56:16 that was exactly 7 days ago Jul 14 21:56:18 today Jul 14 21:56:20 I get a mail Jul 14 21:56:22 "OK! We j Jul 14 21:56:31 "OK! We _JUST_ shipped it! here's your tracking #" Jul 14 21:56:33 *facepalm* Jul 14 21:56:37 :P :) Jul 14 21:56:46 TSCHAKeee: hi Jul 14 21:56:53 hey vgrade_! :) Jul 14 21:57:13 what you planning for your new toy Jul 14 21:57:20 I know, been quiet lately, been busy trying to help get qOrbiter written Jul 14 21:57:33 vgrade_: it's one of the test targets for the new qOrbiter (aka Orbiter version 2) Jul 14 21:57:34 yup, I saw some videos Jul 14 21:57:51 it'll take a few passes to really get things the way we want them Jul 14 21:58:03 because we're trying to genuinely make things not suck Jul 14 21:58:23 Orbiter suffered from a lot of design decisions that were firmed up and then waterfalled Jul 14 21:58:29 before they really knew what they wanted. Jul 14 21:58:36 thiago: uh huh.... so is this the missing TLS/SNI ? Jul 14 21:59:05 lbt: it's not TLS Jul 14 21:59:14 lbt: it's the disabling of SSLv2 Jul 14 21:59:14 how are you finding Qt compared to how you used to do things Jul 14 21:59:27 vgrade_: we (2 of us atm), are building and testing between a Nokia N900 and my Archos9 Jul 14 21:59:32 lbt: I mean, it's not SNI Jul 14 21:59:45 vgrade_: well, it's a bit more of a challenge for us ,because we're having to bridge to our existing STL based code Jul 14 21:59:45 lbt: it is the TLS (disabling of SSLv2, enabling SSLv3 and TLSv1) Jul 14 22:00:19 vgrade_: but it's coming along nicely. the big thing I like is that I can now build a UI in photoshop or gimp, and literally transpose it over to QML. Jul 14 22:00:41 we'll start doing that in earnest soon Jul 14 22:00:56 TSCHAKeee: I received my device yesterday. Primarily for platform dev but I will have to do an app Jul 14 22:00:57 * lbt isn't sure which end is disabling what.... Jul 14 22:00:58 but right now, we're just trying to get the orbiter engine actually feature complete enough to start doing UI design. Jul 14 22:01:01 * CosmoHill begins to wish that his IRC client had an undo button Jul 14 22:01:13 vgrade_: cool :) how you like it? Jul 14 22:01:18 smooth Jul 14 22:01:26 i've heard that across the board Jul 14 22:01:34 everybody who has touched "Swipe" has just loved it Jul 14 22:02:01 i mean, even Engadget was like, "...really?" Jul 14 22:02:11 TSCHAKeee: been out all day on a client site so cannot play Jul 14 22:02:25 "You do this NOW?, right when you're about to self destruct the platform?" :P Jul 14 22:02:43 *nod* Jul 14 22:04:01 bbiab Jul 14 22:06:45 TSCHAKeee, yeah I agree Jul 14 22:07:16 TSCHAKeee, I also very much like the UI on the N950. but I'd love it more if it could do landscape Jul 14 22:07:38 wha? I thought it could rotate between the two? Jul 14 22:07:43 sure Jul 14 22:07:53 except for home screens and a couple of apps eg. contacts Jul 14 22:07:57 okay. Jul 14 22:08:13 well, to tell you the truth, one of the things that drove me nuts on the n900 Jul 14 22:08:23 was that the phone was the only thing i could use one handed Jul 14 22:09:14 I understand Jul 14 22:09:36 but it is rather weird when I slide out the N950's keyboard and the screen doesn't rotate. Jul 14 22:09:59 and it's unsettling that it rotates back to portrait when I task switch even with landscape apps Jul 14 22:10:14 Venemo: if you don't mind hacking around a bit you can get the homescreen to rotate Jul 14 22:10:27 Venemo: see X-Fade's post here: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24933&postcount=14 Jul 14 22:10:33 Venemo, There is no spoo.. keyboard. Jul 14 22:10:36 Elleo, tried it, buggy. Jul 14 22:11:39 consumer device has no keyboard, so you may aswell forget you have one ;-) Jul 14 22:12:05 smoku :P Jul 14 22:12:13 I will not forget! Jul 14 22:12:28 the tablet won't start a terminal again once you exit the first one ? strange Jul 14 22:12:50 berndhs, it does for me Jul 14 22:12:59 anyway, there is #harmattan for this :) Jul 14 22:29:37 Stskeeps, is there possibility of building an open source percentage for harmattan or is it an indepth time consuming report? Jul 14 22:40:10 my parents gave me a card for my grade and I'm damn sure I saw mum making it this morning Jul 14 22:48:23 antman8969: yes Jul 14 22:48:39 so yes OBS is where to get extras-devel type things Jul 14 22:48:52 we need some community lurv in that area Jul 14 22:49:20 I havn't looked into it yet, but I'm assuming libs like ssl and curl would bhave been taken care of Jul 14 22:49:28 liboauth is a maybe, but I could always do it myself Jul 14 22:49:33 so hmmm Jul 14 22:49:50 obs is focused on meego of course Jul 14 22:50:11 and whilst Harmattan is MeeGo ... :) it's not Jul 14 22:50:29 lol yea, I intend on supporting meego as well, so it's still relevant Jul 14 22:50:32 so we may need something to port missing apps Jul 14 22:50:36 libs Jul 14 22:51:08 does youtube have a new look? Jul 14 22:51:48 on a related note. I'm used to the extras system in Maemo. Will the OBS be the place where my app is downloaded from (if not the app up center / ovi store) and where the libs reside that it will depend on? Jul 14 22:52:10 yes Jul 14 22:52:19 but read this: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/MeeGo_Surrounds_and_Extras Jul 14 22:52:27 and maybe this first: http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html Jul 14 22:52:51 DawnFoster: ping Jul 14 22:53:02 hey lbt Jul 14 22:53:13 on http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/MeeGo_Surrounds_and_Extras ... you put "IMPORTANT - this page to be replaced by MeeGo Apps - please move or delete the content and redirect the page to" Jul 14 22:53:25 which isn't quite right AFAICT Jul 14 22:53:33 are you OK with me removing that Jul 14 22:53:35 lbt: ok Jul 14 22:53:47 we have some work in that area I know Jul 14 22:53:51 Henri and I took a swag and guessed on a few Jul 14 22:53:56 OK .. np Jul 14 22:53:57 so feel free to keep it Jul 14 22:53:59 ta Jul 14 22:54:02 the apps stuff was a mess Jul 14 22:54:07 sure Jul 14 22:54:10 and we were trying to organize it :) Jul 14 22:55:05 DawnFoster: FYI : http://wiki.meego.com/OBS/Community_OBS/Project_Areas Jul 14 22:55:31 ah, ok Jul 14 22:55:39 these things are looking to move into Surrounds ... eg NFS isn't in MeeGo 'core' Jul 14 22:55:48 lbt: but the page is probably still miscategorized? Jul 14 22:55:58 yeah .. probably .. lessee Jul 14 22:55:59 and can be moved out of task forces Jul 14 22:56:48 * andyross submits an API change to Qt into the MeeGo 1.2 project and waits for someone to come after him with a knife... Jul 14 22:56:49 well.... Niels and I haven't stopped work on it Jul 14 22:58:56 * lbt glances at DawnFoster and notices how just having 250 not-really-MeeGo devices is bringing more developers to #meego ... how good for MeeGo is that eh? :D Jul 14 22:59:12 :) Jul 14 22:59:40 Jaffa: oi..... how come you haven't signed up at that ^^ wiki page Jul 14 23:09:27 very useful post you put together lbt Jul 14 23:09:47 have any decisions been made when it comes to how to handle package maintainers of "ports" Jul 14 23:11:10 no Jul 14 23:11:40 so much stuff has been happening Jul 14 23:12:19 so much progress or so much busy work that delays progress Jul 14 23:12:25 I think we're beginning to see a more tangible base - 1.2 is out, we have more people with ExoPC and of course the N950 Jul 14 23:12:31 both Jul 14 23:12:43 this needs push and pull Jul 14 23:12:58 liqbase runs faster on my n900 than on n950 Jul 14 23:13:09 when we have apps that need libraries... then we'll start to see the issues for real Jul 14 23:13:35 hopefully having laid out a potential solution and set the foundations in place we'll be able to adapt Jul 14 23:14:32 I've got two apps that don't need anything but qt, which are fine as is. But another that needs liboauth (like many social apps). Should I hold off on trying to Jul 14 23:14:35 "port it" Jul 14 23:15:53 again. New to the OBS, but it seems the structure resembles the extras system at a general level Jul 14 23:17:59 antman8969: no... do the work in your home: area Jul 14 23:18:07 it works as a PPA Jul 14 23:19:06 you may want to create a little structure in there... maybe home:antman8969:libs[:testing] repos Jul 14 23:19:22 anyhow 00:14 here ... bed calls o/ all Jul 14 23:19:33 i see Jul 14 23:19:39 lol thanks Jul 14 23:23:50 hmm, just received an OBS account from lbt, but never chose a password myself. Is there a default one that is given out? Jul 14 23:25:26 use your meego.com passwd ... sso ... right really going now Jul 14 23:26:45 there we go, thanks lbt Jul 14 23:36:53 lbt: Only just seen it Jul 14 23:52:51 andre__: *sigh* Jul 14 23:53:08 i can't figure out if bug 14651 actually caused something useful to happen or not Jul 14 23:53:11 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14651 maj, Low, 1.2, xinyun.liu, NEW, XOrg TileScreenSaver double frees srcbits+mskbits when AllocARGBCursor()'s calloc() fails Jul 14 23:53:36 the fix is dated April, but your upstreaming is dated May Jul 14 23:53:47 and the committer is a nokian Jul 14 23:57:20 how does one know the state of an application in the device program ? Jul 14 23:58:08 berndhs: Did you get email? Jul 14 23:58:18 SpeedEvil: no Jul 14 23:58:31 http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia Jul 14 23:58:41 this is for the tablet one, not the nokia one Jul 14 23:58:46 oops Jul 14 23:58:48 sorry Jul 14 23:59:12 i want to look up my application to see if I need to add info, correct spelling errors and whatnot Jul 14 23:59:24 but I can't even tell if I submitted something or not Jul 15 00:01:05 ah there it is now, didn't show up couple days ago, now its there twice :) Jul 15 00:01:44 oh well Jul 15 00:14:31 Morning Jul 15 00:14:52 yes, yes it is Jul 15 00:16:10 somewhere it is **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 15 02:59:57 2011