**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 18 02:59:57 2011 Jul 18 03:07:01 yay, estimates. 4 hours, 14 hours, and 28 hours Jul 18 03:07:18 the first two estimates seem headed in the right direction, the last one is more questionable Jul 18 03:28:45 if download.meego,com keeps changing their damned directory structures around Jul 18 03:29:06 how in the #@(($@# am I supposed to keep kickstart files around so that I can keep building my images Jul 18 03:29:14 I have other projects I have to deal with too! Jul 18 03:29:17 seriously. Jul 18 05:08:57 where do i download 1.2.0.1 release update? Jul 18 05:10:15 has anyone had any luck with the obs ? Jul 18 05:11:11 anyone know how to get 1.2.01 update ? Jul 18 05:14:36 pethams: I don't think there is such a thing Jul 18 05:16:44 well what does this say then...https://meego.com/downloads/releases/updates/meego-v1.2.0.1-core-update Jul 18 05:18:29 interesting Jul 18 05:19:16 repo.meego.com probably Jul 18 05:19:23 neither have it Jul 18 05:19:28 I just checked Jul 18 05:19:30 heh Jul 18 05:19:40 * dm8tbr checked repo.meego.com too Jul 18 05:20:15 while confusing, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/updates/1.2.0/ is porlly the one Jul 18 05:20:16 I suspect it's an RPM only update Jul 18 05:20:34 not entirely sure why they released IA only though Jul 18 05:21:45 but probably because we didn't QA for arm Jul 18 05:21:55 who cares about ARM anyway!? Jul 18 05:22:55 build.meego.com not answering, well, that's a good start on the monday.. Jul 18 05:23:12 that might explain the missing CE images Jul 18 05:23:16 someone asked earlier Jul 18 05:23:28 nah, that's due to COBS maintaining running late Jul 18 05:23:47 I wonder what's the story behind not providing new images with 1.2.0.1 Jul 18 05:24:37 i think the meego-vendor interface in that regard isn't terribly defined Jul 18 05:25:25 this is going to be a rough day, can already feel my allergy killing me Jul 18 05:25:56 somewhere on my todo list is 'understand meego' structure, but I guess then my nickname of Don Quixote de la MeeGo is really sealed... Jul 18 05:26:39 my alergy is surpsisingly low profile this year. started 1-2months late and had to pop only one zyrtec so far Jul 18 05:27:19 i'm spending some time cleaning up meego categories to make the architecture more understandable (some edges missing), but http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meegobase.png really helps matters Jul 18 05:27:51 that should help in future to make meego more streamlined Jul 18 05:27:53 yeah, saw that Jul 18 05:28:03 as i think we're a bit overboard with 1200 pkgs Jul 18 05:33:51 btw, what NFC stack did you use on your tieto demo? Jul 18 05:35:47 Stskeeps: Lua in build-essential? really? Jul 18 05:36:12 err, in "base essentials" Jul 18 05:37:09 slonopotamus: rpm uses it, i think Jul 18 05:37:35 Stskeeps: also, you have a cycle between base essentials and system libraries Jul 18 05:40:00 slonopotamus: there's a cycle in the bare essentials yeah, but as i said, edges arent correct Jul 18 05:46:28 hi stskeeps Jul 18 05:47:05 lo jonwil Jul 18 05:47:32 don't forget you were going to respond to my mailing list posting :P Jul 18 05:47:48 don't worry, it's in my tickler folder Jul 18 05:48:48 great :) Jul 18 05:50:47 just not very awake yet Jul 18 05:50:52 :) Jul 18 05:51:06 bear in mind they are just ideas from an outsider who has no idea of the political/legal/technical situation inside Nokia and in the MeeGo team Jul 18 05:51:35 i know, i was once in that position myself and sometimes i was quite accurate :P Jul 18 05:55:49 so yeah even if we cant get the info needed to advance the now-dead Maemo Fremantle, at least we can ensure long-term continuation of the N900 with alternative operating systems Jul 18 05:57:59 Stskeeps: neither Qt nor MeeGo as both was not ready at that time Jul 18 05:58:52 Stskeeps: if MeeGo is interested I can ask the people involved if they can/want to contribute something Jul 18 05:59:21 * slonopotamus yawns Jul 18 06:00:29 dm8tbr: ok Jul 18 06:01:48 jonwil, why bother with getting preinit relicensed when you've got uboot and therefore don't need bootmenu/multiboot and therefore don't need preinit? Jul 18 06:02:02 oh ok, I wasnt aware of the uboot situation Jul 18 06:02:18 I just remembered someone saying they needed preinit for alt os's Jul 18 06:02:35 it's really mostly stuff that exists in some form somewhere else Jul 18 06:02:40 difficult to copyright shell scripts Jul 18 06:02:48 Oh, well yeah. Doesn't seem necessary with uboot anyway. Jul 18 06:03:14 AFAIK NITdroid is still using preinit (?), but they are just crazy and need to stop. Jul 18 06:03:27 yeah NITdroid needs to move to a safe sane uboot setup Jul 18 06:04:06 that way there wont be so many issues with people who install NITdroid and ruin their phones in the process Jul 18 06:05:51 does the backupmenu stuff rely on preinit? Jul 18 06:11:05 jonwil, I think so Jul 18 06:11:17 ok Jul 18 06:55:18 *yawn* Jul 18 06:55:57 good moaning Myrtti Jul 18 07:24:34 is public OBS still down? it looks like none of the workers want to work :-( Jul 18 07:24:49 arfoll: Yeah, looking at it. Jul 18 07:24:50 meego.com obs is Jul 18 07:24:54 at least blocking Jul 18 07:25:35 X-Fade, thank you Jul 18 07:26:14 yeah i noticed meego.com obs is down too, this not a good day for OBS! Jul 18 07:44:03 moin Jul 18 07:44:45 I'm getting remote error: remote error connect to api.meego.com 443 No route to host Jul 18 07:45:18 yeah, it's down i think Jul 18 07:45:24 javier, OBS is MIA Jul 18 07:45:38 hello Jul 18 07:46:43 I see Jul 18 07:56:53 very good news: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23084&postcount=14 -> "There is no optification needed in MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan." Jul 18 07:57:03 any idea on when is the last date for device program - http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Intel Jul 18 07:59:51 aparna_, I don't see any date in there Jul 18 08:02:50 Venemo, Intel have been giving out lots of exopc with the appup conferences. I don't know if that program is still on Jul 18 08:03:27 arfoll, it says "active", and I think it is still on Jul 18 08:05:51 uhm does look like you can just apply. nice. Jul 18 08:20:03 aparna_, Dawn mentions at the last community meeting (last week) that they were goign to start looking at the applications now Jul 18 09:09:21 any ETA regarding api.meego.com? Jul 18 09:09:53 we're trying to find awake people Jul 18 09:10:14 sadly Niels and I aren't trusted so nothing we can do ;) Jul 18 09:10:25 :-P Jul 18 09:11:14 I think it's what is screwing up the c.obs too Jul 18 09:13:49 you aren't trusted? Jul 18 09:13:53 then who is trusted? Jul 18 09:13:59 lbt: ah, all eggs in one timezone? Jul 18 09:14:16 shouldn't be Jul 18 09:14:23 * dm8tbr declares OBS b0rken until USofA wakes up Jul 18 09:16:47 this is exactly why i do not trust OBS Jul 18 09:16:55 just thought i would point that out Jul 18 09:18:07 That's why I have snapshots on my internal OBS Jul 18 09:18:25 ali1234: another spot-on observation .... not Jul 18 09:19:14 lbt, can we file a bug to trust you and neils on meego.com OBS? Jul 18 09:20:00 +1 Jul 18 09:21:01 * jonwil wonders if anyone has any comments on his ideas post to the meego-handset mailing list Jul 18 09:21:27 jonwil: i do, but OBS being down makes me unable to answer accurately Jul 18 09:21:31 jonwil: so patience :) Jul 18 09:22:06 what do you need obs for? :P Jul 18 09:22:17 jonwil: checking some things and sources i don't have locally Jul 18 09:22:22 oh ok Jul 18 09:22:46 so you mean the internal Nokia obs for the closed-bins and not the public obs with the binaries only. Got ya :) Jul 18 09:22:59 public obs i need to look at some things too :P Jul 18 09:23:16 * jonwil mirrored all the " Jul 18 09:23:24 "source" files for the closed-bins from the public obs Jul 18 09:23:27 :nod: Jul 18 09:23:29 :) Jul 18 09:23:45 mostly so I could play with them and see what libs they linked to etc Jul 18 09:25:49 I suspect the answers to half my ideas are going to be "from a technical POV, that seems ok, we need to bump it to the legal guys though" :P Jul 18 09:39:50 ey Jul 18 09:40:32 how does this trash " meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img " work in virtual machine vmplayer ? Jul 18 09:40:38 its not ISO Jul 18 09:40:43 vmplayer wants iso Jul 18 09:40:49 . Jul 18 09:41:15 kg0wr, img & iso are the same shit, just rename the file. Jul 18 09:41:16 u ugkly nic Jul 18 09:41:30 Thanks. Jul 18 09:41:39 ok Jul 18 09:41:39 kg0wr: please behave or leave Jul 18 09:42:03 "could not detect which os Jul 18 09:42:10 now wat ?? Jul 18 09:42:24 freebsd ? Jul 18 09:43:04 kg0wr, what about another vm manager software ? Jul 18 09:43:06 other -> other Jul 18 09:44:13 already this one has got 10 processes running in taskmgr and 3 virtual LANs nad lot o vhd and trash folders everywhere Jul 18 09:44:16 dont want another Jul 18 09:44:52 meego is touch screen OS fr phones and netbook ? Jul 18 09:45:03 meego.com/about Jul 18 09:45:14 i dont want to read . Jul 18 09:45:22 i want to directly run in vmplayer and see Jul 18 09:45:26 you have to read to understand Jul 18 09:45:34 and meego doesn't work in vmplayer as it uses 3d extensively Jul 18 09:45:45 don't expect to be spoon fed all the info Jul 18 09:46:23 The MeeGo project provides a Linux-based, open source software platform for the next generation of computing devices Jul 18 09:46:32 eww linux Jul 18 09:46:56 i thought ' 3d extensively' future GUI windows like os Jul 18 09:47:03 android Jul 18 09:47:59 * timoph goes out for lunch Jul 18 09:48:09 heh. that could be the new marketing move in mobile phones Jul 18 09:48:23 don't ship the handset. just write articles about how great it is going to be forever Jul 18 09:48:35 after selecting 'linux os' in vmplayer theres 20 options but no 'meego Jul 18 09:48:35 .. Jul 18 09:48:48 ali1234: meego.com still doesn't do devices... Jul 18 09:48:48 morning \o Jul 18 09:49:08 ..or ever will Jul 18 09:49:26 * timoph goes out for lunch (really this time) Jul 18 09:55:07 ok .. so it's still rpc timeout Jul 18 09:55:13 I guess it needs a restart Jul 18 09:55:19 oops Jul 18 09:55:26 some people say no route to host Jul 18 09:55:31 yes, still rpc timeout here Jul 18 09:56:28 FYI the scheduler has a multi-second timeout when it checks b.m.c ... and it does that for each project that has a remote link ... for each arch Jul 18 09:56:39 so the loop iteration isn't short Jul 18 09:57:14 no route to host .. would be interested in that Jul 18 09:57:40 ah, no route to host for me Jul 18 09:57:50 OK Jul 18 10:00:30 remote error connect to api.meego.com 443 Connection refused Jul 18 10:01:13 yeah, that is expected behavior. Jul 18 10:01:43 sure? https is normally used Jul 18 10:02:26 Stskeeps: We put it to 127.0.0.1 on community obs, so the scheduler doesn't block on it. Jul 18 10:02:39 ah Jul 18 10:03:16 As it is now being a honey pot :) Jul 18 10:03:54 so ... that looks like it may be working Jul 18 10:04:08 we clearly need a 'remote obs link is down ... bypass it' Jul 18 10:08:13 so any luck finding out why obs is down yet? Jul 18 10:08:26 or are you waiting for people with the needed permissions to fix it? Jul 18 10:09:32 No, it doesn't seem to update at all. Jul 18 10:12:38 jonwil: we're waiting.... just like any 'meego customers' would be. Out in the cold ... nice feeling eh? Aren't you glad you don't have a team of expensive coders sitting idle? Jul 18 10:12:46 :) Jul 18 10:13:11 * lbt is not impressed by how 'meego.com' treats it's "customers" Jul 18 10:14:22 aka facapalm marketing Jul 18 10:14:40 s/facapalm/facepalm/ Jul 18 10:14:40 timoph meant: aka facepalm marketing Jul 18 10:15:38 but seriously are all obs maintainers in US? Jul 18 10:15:42 no Jul 18 10:15:54 good Jul 18 10:15:56 but if it's a physical error then it might be problematic Jul 18 10:16:09 no, Anaz should be in europe afaik? Jul 18 10:16:22 ah. so we need someone to wake up in oregon Jul 18 10:16:55 hmmm anaZ is online here... Jul 18 10:28:08 lbt: meego it needs a dashboard. first thing on the top: "Is OBS down again" Jul 18 10:29:49 dm8tbr, irc is the dashboard Jul 18 10:32:09 araujo, bug 18619 Jul 18 10:32:12 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18619 maj, High, ---, x2rich, NEW, Virtual Keyboard does not appear for GTK+ apps (meegotouch-inputmethodbridges) Jul 18 10:32:13 is that for netbook also Jul 18 10:32:22 since gedit and stuff are installed by default there Jul 18 10:43:43 thanks venemo and vgrade Jul 18 11:16:20 so bug 13084 occurs on the n900-ce as well as also on the n950 harmattan Jul 18 11:16:23 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink Jul 18 12:00:29 * lcuk dds todays n900-ce and wonders how to make mcompositor and friends work like n950 Jul 18 12:01:13 * timoph hands lcuk a magic wand Jul 18 12:02:03 timoph, my n900 has one! Jul 18 12:02:12 :) Jul 18 12:02:38 and timoph finding somebody as comfortable with real xorg compositing should make a simple upgrade practical Jul 18 12:02:59 even if it was as simple as swipe left/right to do alt-tab Jul 18 12:03:17 I have prototyped it in liqbase and want to do it in netbook and handset Jul 18 12:03:23 ah Jul 18 12:04:16 I just wasted 30 minutes in n9seconds :/ Jul 18 12:04:51 timoph, :( Jul 18 12:05:21 clever campaign I have to admit Jul 18 12:05:38 yes Jul 18 12:05:41 it is well done Jul 18 12:27:38 lbt is it possible to clean a project from my workspace, I named it incorrectly and think it will be easier to make a new one Jul 18 12:27:52 yep... 'delete' Jul 18 12:28:38 see the 'Actions' dropdown? Jul 18 12:28:55 but since t/me looks Jul 18 12:29:12 or you can use the commandline 'rdelete' from osc too Jul 18 12:29:26 ok cool, thanks didn't see it when I looked first time Jul 18 12:29:46 easy to miss - the ui is learnt :) Jul 18 12:30:13 * lcuk pops out the learning curve picture :P Jul 18 12:32:07 I have just commited one change and the obs webui and says it was commited 5 hours ago. Timezone confusion? Jul 18 12:32:46 javier, flux capacitor component Jul 18 12:39:09 * lcuk boots up n900-ce Jul 18 12:45:37 hi, this is probably a FAQ, but I can't find anything on the web, is it normal that I don't get a upgrade (1.1->1.2) offered on my netbook, any ideas how to upgrade it? Jul 18 13:05:52 build.meego.com looks back up :-) Jul 18 13:13:30 c.obs was up and now :-( Jul 18 13:13:45 are people really reinstalling things twice a year? is there no upgrade path Jul 18 13:14:27 ensonic_, unfortunately yes. theres a bug somewhere about it Jul 18 13:16:29 arfoll, I will search for the bug Jul 18 13:16:56 would be good to point that out with the release notes, even though it is extremly embarrasing Jul 18 13:21:18 c-obs: authentication failed. Is it expected ? Jul 18 13:21:26 (while trying to log in) Jul 18 13:22:26 djszapi, login not working apparantly, i think the weekend maint has been extended a bit ;) Jul 18 13:23:25 lcuk: it worked properly today. It stopped working few minutes ago. Jul 18 13:23:45 djszapi: same issue here Jul 18 13:23:46 djszapi, experiencing the same pain, my build was nearly finished too Jul 18 13:24:20 X-Fade, lbt expected? Jul 18 13:24:36 frontend only Jul 18 13:24:46 we're taking advantage of core obs being down to do some more c.obs updates which we didn't have time for Jul 18 13:25:03 should be short outages only as we reboot VMs Jul 18 13:25:38 i'm getting 401 while using osc Jul 18 13:26:06 javier: yes that is the relevant http error code for this issue Jul 18 13:40:24 has anybody booted up the n900-ce today? Jul 18 13:44:47 arfoll, bug updated and mail sent, wonder what's the reason for the missing upgrade path Jul 18 13:45:06 has anyone tried to just change the repo urls and run a dist-upgrade? Jul 18 13:45:50 ensonic_, which bug? Jul 18 13:46:36 lcuk, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9205 Jul 18 13:46:39 Bug 9205 enh, High, 1.1.0, anas.nashif, NEW, Cannot Update from 1.0 to 1.1, from 1.1 to 1.2 Jul 18 13:49:24 ensonic_, hm Jul 18 13:50:09 lcuk, yes? Jul 18 13:53:48 ensonic_: AFAIU it's simply not a MeeGo feature. It is more likely to be one in the future when versions are less radically different Jul 18 13:53:55 lbt: so, mxr's web ui claims it just finished updating all three. i'm incredibly skeptical, but... Jul 18 13:54:11 :) Jul 18 13:54:22 also, i don't think i took my ssh keys w/ me, so i can't check until next monday Jul 18 13:54:24 meego.com hasn't been doing much today Jul 18 13:54:32 but i do get better cron mails now Jul 18 13:54:50 it tells me when the overly long running process started Jul 18 13:55:15 - i initially assumed i'd never need to know, but... Jul 18 13:57:11 people, can meego ce be updated just like debian with something like "apt-get upgrade", in a way that if I install meego in my N900, I'll keep updating it just giving a "zypper upgrade"? Jul 18 13:58:07 ensonic_, i tried the update route on n900-ce a few weeks ago with same sorts of complexity Jul 18 13:58:16 updating from one daily to another Jul 18 13:58:36 it is certainly a non-trivial thing to consider updating Jul 18 13:58:38 but should exist Jul 18 13:59:04 lbt, how can it be not a distro feature, I think its only excusable in the really early phase Jul 18 13:59:31 * lbt decides not to get into "MeeGo is not a distro" discussion :) Jul 18 13:59:46 * ensonic_ is fine with that Jul 18 13:59:55 but that's the answer IMHO Jul 18 14:00:29 we (the hackers) should create a distro on top of meego and make that upgradeable Jul 18 14:00:44 MeeGo-CE :D Jul 18 14:00:58 why yes lcuk ... I would start with contributing to CE :) Jul 18 14:01:00 obs is up? Jul 18 14:01:01 usable on netbooks, n900s n950s and everything in between! Jul 18 14:01:01 but it simple does not make any sense to have a computer and not be able to upgrade it, given the fact that there won't be security fixes in the long-run Jul 18 14:01:05 javier: yes finally Jul 18 14:01:11 lbt, I do as much as I can :$ Jul 18 14:01:18 excellent :) Jul 18 14:01:24 * lcuk is not very good at the complex stuff Jul 18 14:01:30 i'll probably try a manual upgrade Jul 18 14:01:32 wooo Jul 18 14:01:34 but I try to pull things together where possible Jul 18 14:02:08 ensonic_: why don't you devise a system where you flash a device to 1.2 and then each time a daily is released, try to do an upgrade Jul 18 14:14:14 lbt, the repo-urls don't change for those? Jul 18 14:22:41 there are still probelsm with the arm scheduler? Jul 18 14:36:56 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/07/18/asda_offloads_affordable_fondleslab/ Jul 18 14:44:56 Interesting Jul 18 14:50:04 http://www.facebook.com/Give.Chat.Back Jul 18 15:23:05 what battery life do the exopc ish devices get? Jul 18 15:31:11 lcuk: not overwhelming compared to the battery volume Jul 18 15:35:43 http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/07/15/text-rendering-in-the-qml-scene-graph Jul 18 15:36:00 this looks like an awesome simple way to render text Jul 18 15:36:09 bravo to the team :D Jul 18 15:40:06 * lcuk goes and plays football Jul 18 15:51:31 hab heut vincent und robin im bowling geschlagen ;) Jul 18 15:51:36 ups Jul 18 15:58:13 lbt: ping Jul 18 15:59:11 2\ Jul 18 16:00:18 alnikolov: pong Jul 18 16:01:01 lbt: hi. can you reset my (anikolov) password in the obs? Jul 18 16:01:11 no :) Jul 18 16:01:23 it's your meego.com passwd - use that reset Jul 18 16:03:02 build.meego.com or build.pub.meego.com Jul 18 16:03:09 lbt: i see. tnx Jul 18 16:04:04 does the N950 have skype? Jul 18 16:10:27 considering skype protocol has beeing reverse engineered, it's just a matter of writting the software for it Jul 18 16:11:41 rafael2k: Nokia licensed it for their n900, was just a simple question. Jul 18 16:12:00 TSCHAKeee: true Jul 18 16:25:41 btw, http://developer.skype.com/public/skypekit is here Jul 18 16:34:44 [MeeGo-dev] The road from bugs to patches to integration http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-July/483840.html Jul 18 16:58:10 lcuk: could be that calculator just doesn't have anyone actively working on it. If you have a build.meego.com account you can SR the fix, that's generally pretty visible. But generally yeah: fixes to low-priority maintenance-mode stuff seem to move most smoothly if you yell loudly in public :) Jul 18 16:59:12 andyross, "you can SR the fix" Jul 18 16:59:21 that specific thing is not documented Jul 18 16:59:29 it afaik Jul 18 16:59:30 SRing? sure it is Jul 18 16:59:36 or have someone help upload a fix Jul 18 16:59:40 ie, given someone with c-obs, how to follow it and get the latest code Jul 18 16:59:45 and make changes to SR back Jul 18 16:59:50 but the process requires the patch to be sent upstream as well Jul 18 17:00:01 well the bug requires a single line fix bug 20099 Jul 18 17:00:04 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 nor, High, ---, marko.saukko, NEW, [CE] Calculator crashes after pressing any button and then "." . Jul 18 17:00:11 my rating of the N950: _AWESOME_ :D :) Jul 18 17:00:15 the fix is outlined in comments Jul 18 17:00:33 i even found the patch that caused it Jul 18 17:00:39 :) Jul 18 17:00:44 however I haven't got a clue how to actually submit it ack Jul 18 17:00:46 back Jul 18 17:00:59 so it's regression Jul 18 17:01:03 yeah Jul 18 17:01:12 * timoph food Jul 18 17:01:22 i felt so empowered by QML for the first time! Jul 18 17:01:54 QML's pretty nifty stuff :) Jul 18 17:02:09 Ah, it's N900-speciifc? Yeah, that's unlikely to get the attention of the paid staff, unfortunately. Does comment #7 imply that the issue is already fixed in MeeGo:1.2:oss and/or Trunk? Jul 18 17:02:31 n900 specific? really? Jul 18 17:02:46 * andyross is just skimming the bug, no idea Jul 18 17:03:50 shouldn't be, qml should be interpreted similarly, :) , but if it's a n900 specific problem then yes, it goes down to hardware adaptation Jul 18 17:05:58 comment 7 seems to imply that the QML code has diverged somehow, not that it's a C++ bug. I think. Jul 18 17:06:37 hmm Jul 18 17:07:21 lcuk: grab 1.2.0.80's meego-app-calculator rpm and see if it differs in behaviour Jul 18 17:07:37 and source Jul 18 17:09:10 Greetings! Jul 18 17:09:42 greetings Jul 18 17:09:58 Am a newbie to Linux (Gentoo); where can I go to find out how Meego relates to a Linux kernel; e.g. does it replace X? Jul 18 17:11:48 Stskeeps, "grab" is a complex term for obs newbies Jul 18 17:12:00 lcuk: repo.meego.com and who said anything about obs Jul 18 17:12:01 :P Jul 18 17:12:17 testkik: meego's a linux distribution, a bunch of software uses the linux kernel Jul 18 17:18:29 X-Fade lbt: ping, Could you tell me a bit more about the RPC timeouts appearing on the Harmattan target of the c-obs with innocent packages ? We have really no clue how it can happen with one package, but not with others. There is no log available in those cases, thus it is really hard to detect what is up. Jul 18 17:29:24 any tablet-ux guys around? Jul 18 17:32:24 Stskeeps, reproduced on http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.8.20110713.4/repos/oss/armv7hl/packages/armv7hl/meego-app-calculator-0.2.8-1.2.armv7hl.rpm Jul 18 17:32:38 zypper remove meego-app-calculator Jul 18 17:32:41 I'm trying to get a mouse pointer to show. Any ideas. Jul 18 17:32:42 wget that ^ Jul 18 17:32:47 rpm -i that ^ Jul 18 17:33:06 vgrade, on maemo it used to be the mouse pointer was a transparent png Jul 18 17:33:10 is similar here? Jul 18 17:33:29 djszapi_: rpc timeouts are usually OBS internals Jul 18 17:33:51 ie the maemo OBS isn't responding Jul 18 17:35:10 lbt: what can I do from here, reporting a bug ? Jul 18 17:35:46 djszapi_: at the moment we're waiting to do a couple of updates Jul 18 17:36:49 lcuk, not sure, I've been looking and I can't figure out what turns off the cursor. X or the QtApplications Jul 18 17:38:52 run something that is not a qapplication and you will find out Jul 18 17:58:57 lcuk, if I start Xorg I get a cursor after running glxgears. If I run qtdemo then I get an arrow cursor inside the qtdemo window and the x cross cursor outside. If I start the tablet-ux I loose both cursors Jul 18 17:59:39 that sounds helpful Jul 18 17:59:46 guessing it is tablet-ux thing Jul 18 18:00:07 but finding out where might be more tricky, can you recall ever seeing cursor? Jul 18 18:07:27 lcuk, I think I'll look trying to bring up the ux step by step see what happens Jul 18 18:08:06 sounds complex vgrade Jul 18 18:22:32 In the tablet images, the X cursor is turned off by passing "-nocursor" on the Xorg command line from /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch. Just comment that out and the default X cursor will pop back up Jul 18 18:23:42 andyross, I don't have that in my uxlaunch config file Jul 18 18:24:18 I'm wondering now that I have an old image Jul 18 18:24:24 Checking to make sure I remember the right spot. Which image are you using? Jul 18 18:24:40 If something was specifically added to xopts to remove the cursoe Jul 18 18:25:14 andyross, yes you are thinking of the right spot Jul 18 18:25:25 I will try a more recent image Jul 18 18:25:55 lardman|gone, fiferboy - i have a question and idea for an app Jul 18 18:26:02 you guys will know how feasible it is Jul 18 18:26:03 Dunno. I was doing this on current 1.2 images just last week and it worked fine. There are clearly other ways to make it work, Jul 18 18:26:10 when me and jake are out and about Jul 18 18:26:22 whenever he sees and aeroplane he points up and asks me what it is Jul 18 18:26:35 vgrade: .ks has a xopts thing? Jul 18 18:27:23 lcuk: as long as the default "unrecognised profile is 'superman'" Jul 18 18:27:41 Heh Jul 18 18:27:57 can I use my mobile to take a photo and then use database of silouettes and show info Jul 18 18:28:00 lololol lbt Jul 18 18:28:40 Yeah, it's just a 'echo "xopts=-nocursor" >> /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch' in the kickstart file: http://mirrors2.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.8.20110713.4/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.8.20110713.4.ks Jul 18 18:29:12 Stskeeps, no xopts in the ks. Its a really old image. I'll build something more recent Jul 18 18:29:16 hmm Jul 18 18:29:58 Stskeeps, where would I start a project wiki page for such an app? Jul 18 18:30:16 just wiki.meego.com/WhatIsThatPlane? or in my own lcuk: page Jul 18 18:30:23 for what? Jul 18 18:30:35 lcuk: ITP Jul 18 18:30:45 maybe ITP/ITW/ITC Jul 18 18:30:48 google goggles does this already Jul 18 18:30:49 to actually go through and make a proper app Jul 18 18:30:53 (write and collaborate) Jul 18 18:31:05 yeah well that was what I was thinking Jul 18 18:31:18 its an appwhich would use a number of special skills Jul 18 18:31:18 of course if you try to take a picture of a plane in flight you will get a small blob about 3 pixels across and nothing is going to identify that Jul 18 18:31:25 and have useful and fun things Jul 18 18:31:37 ali1234, stop being a moody pants Jul 18 18:31:47 we have n8 n9 and high res best in the industry cameras Jul 18 18:32:02 best mobile phone camera is still rubbish Jul 18 18:32:02 of course you can't GPL it.... the TSA won't want their backdoor public Jul 18 18:32:32 and even if you had a really good zoom lens it would be really difficult to keep the camera pointed at a moving object at such high zoom Jul 18 18:33:38 lbt, recognising superman should really be a job for International Rescue. *grin* Jul 18 18:33:44 also, yeah, watch out for the spooks at your door Jul 18 18:34:06 I only want to know the kind of plane it is! Jul 18 18:34:14 "dad, whats that plane" Jul 18 18:34:24 me: "errr its an airbus" Jul 18 18:34:27 "oooh" Jul 18 18:34:30 "Boeing 726" Jul 18 18:34:38 like he's going to argue.... Jul 18 18:34:52 AlfaRomeo 546 Jul 18 18:35:04 istr some app that has all the flightpaths that can tell you not only what type of plane, but where it is going and what it is carrying :) Jul 18 18:35:06 well after he saw a jumbo cargo carrier at the airport he has been intruiged and knows I have been on many planes Jul 18 18:35:12 based on where the plane is and the time of day Jul 18 18:35:35 ali1234, collaborative thingie, yeah I have heard of that Jul 18 18:35:41 based on the radio signals and stuff Jul 18 18:35:42 flightaware, etc.. Jul 18 18:35:53 * lcuk does not want to overthink it Jul 18 18:36:03 and thought an app like fiferboy's bird spotting thing Jul 18 18:36:13