**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 21 02:59:56 2011 Jul 21 04:41:53 could someone direct me at which meego download would be most appropriate for an asus eee slate tablet? (i5 cpu) Jul 21 04:42:12 should i be looking oaktrail or pinetrail? Jul 21 04:42:36 wait, those are intel cpu codenames arent they? Jul 21 04:43:21 right Jul 21 04:43:34 so pinetrail it is Jul 21 05:27:40 <_|Nix|_> Hi! How do I take a screenshot on a MeeGo tablet? Jul 21 05:28:04 <_|Nix|_> K, nm ... found gimp ... Jul 21 05:32:08 you can install gstreamer-tools and use gst-launch for that - the command is: gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot.png Jul 21 05:32:26 gimp is rather.. heavy for a screengrab tool Jul 21 06:45:44 =L Jul 21 06:46:19 morn Jul 21 06:52:23 gstreamer bad is being bad to me Jul 21 06:54:09 did they just update something? Jul 21 07:00:27 question, how do i update gstreamer? Jul 21 07:33:47 Good morning Jul 21 07:34:11 another question to start the day: what creates these nice reports at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/testing/1.2.0.90/latest/builddata/reports/ Jul 21 07:34:50 not sure, maybe it's on meego.gitorious Jul 21 07:36:51 Im sure cupcakes will help http://i.imgur.com/sPnMZ.png Jul 21 07:57:48 hi all Jul 21 08:53:04 vgrade, good work on twimgo - i'm getting dpkg -i failures though Jul 21 08:54:05 arfoll, if your using the OBS version there are dependency issues Jul 21 08:54:30 sec while I link a working (for other people) version Jul 21 08:55:33 http://t.co/fWbbrue Jul 21 08:55:41 vgrade, ok cheers Jul 21 08:56:39 is there any way to get rid of tablet's time out lock screen or increase the time out? Jul 21 08:58:31 vgrade, maybe i'm being stupid but i get this : Jul 21 08:58:33 http://pastebin.com/9gUmAviG Jul 21 08:59:57 try browsing to that link on the device Jul 21 09:03:04 lbt, X-Fade, I've been having issues with builds freezing and packages not being published are you still working on the OBS upgrade? Jul 21 09:03:22 vgrade, looks more promising i got a click to confirm but app doesn't come up on home screen - how slow is it normally? Jul 21 09:03:51 there is still a publish problem - I don't have time to look at it until late tonight. Jul 21 09:06:25 lbt no probs, Jul 21 09:07:52 so many devs here... Jul 21 09:07:55 morning \o Jul 21 09:13:31 bkalinga: disable the screen saver from settings->general Jul 21 09:15:26 timoph: dont see settings->general , im using MeeGo 1.2 tablet on QEMU Jul 21 09:15:36 ah Jul 21 09:15:47 I'm running 1.2.0.something Jul 21 09:16:00 then I don't know Jul 21 09:16:28 U see general near to which category? Jul 21 09:16:57 the setting thing has evolved quite a bit since 1.2 Jul 21 09:17:12 ok .. i see all but general Jul 21 09:18:41 iirc there was no tablet release for 1.2 - I'd suggest trying some recent 1.2.0.90 build Jul 21 09:18:55 there's a new alpha one actually Jul 21 09:19:00 oh Jul 21 09:19:11 check meego-releases@ Jul 21 09:35:37 28mins from touchdown, NASA TV Jul 21 09:49:07 vasvlad: Hey, it has been definitely determined that OMWeather desktop applet does somethign unhealthy with file descriptors =) Jul 21 09:49:36 vasvlad: Remember that bug report where OMWeather prevented Media Player applet from starting playback? Still there. Jul 21 10:05:00 Altantis touchdown :) Jul 21 10:25:57 hi can you suggest me some image to install to ideapad tablet ? Jul 21 10:29:49 rzr the tablet image is available Jul 21 10:30:06 but folks at the meego conf in Dublin had netbook build installed Jul 21 10:30:15 it depends on what you want Jul 21 10:31:28 anyone tried inserting coordinates to maps on N950? Jul 21 10:32:06 I havent' find any reliable format to insert the coordinates, so that they wouldn't be interpreted as an address or something else Jul 21 10:33:45 maps on N8 I used to use, HHH MM.MMM N/S HHH MM.MMM E/W, and it always picks the result right Jul 21 10:34:17 no the search is acting too smart for me >:( Jul 21 10:34:21 *now Jul 21 10:50:18 matrixx, file a bug on the harmattan bug tracker Jul 21 10:50:41 alterego, would your gps app accept coordinates Jul 21 10:50:57 do you happen to know what format they should be entered in to help Jul 21 10:53:00 Currently only floating point lat/lon values are supported. Jul 21 10:57:42 lcuk: oh right, that's what I suspected, I'll file a bug Jul 21 10:58:58 just tried to insert floating point lat/long and got the "eternal spinner" Jul 21 11:10:00 arfoll, any luck Jul 21 11:15:48 ruskie, the video you just showed is indeed one of the nicest things seen for a while Jul 21 11:15:58 yeah Jul 21 11:15:59 it would be nice to use the swipe gesture to go between the panels Jul 21 11:16:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKRtTOMbOsY <-- this actually looks interesting for the ux Jul 21 11:16:11 possibly Jul 21 11:16:15 (for completeness) Jul 21 11:16:32 ruskie, from prototype use it is feasible to consider Jul 21 11:17:10 for a tablet it would certainly be better Jul 21 11:17:11 whether or not the ux would run happily on n900 I am not so sure about Jul 21 11:17:23 lcuk, pixel density, tiny text and all that Jul 21 11:17:43 well that ux more comes in line with the large screen tablets I think Jul 21 11:17:57 the Intel Tablet UX though looks great on the N900 Jul 21 11:18:17 Hurrian, indeed it does Jul 21 11:18:30 but the intel panels and panning mechanism is a bit odd Jul 21 11:18:44 making the panels whole width and using swipe gesture would improve it greatly Jul 21 11:18:51 yup Jul 21 11:18:55 pages of panels Jul 21 11:18:59 true Jul 21 11:19:01 which just about makes it like that video shown Jul 21 11:19:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9yBigBW6c <-- basically use something like this on the n900/handsets and the other one on tablets Jul 21 11:20:17 though I kinda think that the other one could be usable on all with some work Jul 21 11:21:23 we want more than usable! Jul 21 11:21:55 well for shinny you need to come up with a better paradigm on managing things Jul 21 11:22:08 what the f***? running on an Atom, and the gallery app is still not smooth Jul 21 11:22:29 ruskie, I have a paradigm Jul 21 11:22:30 http://liqbase.net/liq.20110623_015300.liqbase-playground.scr.png Jul 21 11:22:36 that is the dashboard Jul 21 11:22:42 once you zoom into any of those Jul 21 11:22:52 you can swipe gesture pan between each of them Jul 21 11:23:10 each is fullscreen Jul 21 11:23:26 uh, a lot like Harmattan Jul 21 11:23:36 things that should be in the UX... a close button Jul 21 11:24:09 Hurrian, a long time before harmattan ;) Jul 21 11:25:09 Hurrian, also harmattan has only 3 panels in swipe. I like being able to pan around all apps :) Jul 21 11:25:12 I should try to come up with a paradigm as well sometime Jul 21 11:25:30 close buttons are overrated if the apps are just there Jul 21 11:26:05 I want to be able to quit any app I want without needing some elaborate hacks Jul 21 11:26:52 and there should probably be one paradigm for each screen ratio Jul 21 11:27:04 nahh it works in portrait too :P Jul 21 11:27:24 16:10/9 could have most of the controls on left/right(user controlled) or top/bottom(if in portrait) Jul 21 11:27:44 ruskie, n950 camera has best Jul 21 11:27:52 the icons just rotate when you rotate device Jul 21 11:27:57 so they stay in same place Jul 21 11:28:03 but are usable whichever orientation Jul 21 11:28:11 * lcuk tried to explain this years ago Jul 21 11:28:16 while 4:3 would probably put more emphasis on corners Jul 21 11:28:58 lcuk: yeah. that really is a good design. /me likes Jul 21 11:30:10 timoph, ruskie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q Jul 21 11:31:30 that might be a bit of an overkill Jul 21 11:31:55 but yeah icons should rotate Jul 21 11:32:17 didn't mozilla do that for macbooks? Jul 21 11:32:25 though for the most just standard 0, 90, 180, 270 would work Jul 21 11:32:55 ruskie, the principle is right and yeah it is quite OTT since battern would not last doing that for everything Jul 21 11:33:06 that is how the camera app in n950 works Jul 21 11:33:06 Hehe, i'd want to be able to turn such functionality off... nothing more annoying than laying in bed and be forced to lie on your back to be able to see things without turning them on the side ;) Jul 21 11:33:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7-PT5mrqZ0 Jul 21 11:33:30 lcuk, ^ Jul 21 11:33:31 leinir, agreed Jul 21 11:33:42 (no heuristic can fix that, mind, so simply need a manual lock for such things) Jul 21 11:34:30 haha MohammadAG :D Jul 21 11:34:41 ls Jul 21 11:34:49 leinir, facial recognition and orientation based on you would work Jul 21 11:35:10 frankly my own concept would have active user settable corners(global and per/app) you could set that to have the app toolbar/wm toolbar always shown in some direction coming from some corner or even hidden unless you hit the corner and pull it out Jul 21 11:35:25 lcuk: hmm... yes, i guess that'd actually make sense :) Potentially a touch expensive to keep doing face tracking, but... yeah :) Jul 21 11:36:03 leinir: lcuk: and then you have 2 people looking at it... Jul 21 11:36:14 and yeah the icons should rotate but in the fixed Jul 21 11:36:25 side sensors might work slightly better (battery wise) Jul 21 11:36:36 berndhs, then a dialog box comes up "BUY ANOTHER NOKIA DEVICE" Jul 21 11:36:44 you hold the device differently when you're in bed for example Jul 21 11:37:00 if the 4 sides of the device are sensitive, you can detect that easily Jul 21 11:37:20 how much are N8s nowadays? Jul 21 11:37:26 berndhs: you can measure whose face is most in view, and focus on orientation of that ;) Jul 21 11:37:28 I think I have to get tracy a pink one Jul 21 11:37:48 leinir: or you mark the owner with an RFID Jul 21 11:38:08 lcuk: around 300 or so :) Jul 21 11:38:23 berndhs: *nods* everybody should just run about with a 2D barcode on their forehead ;) Jul 21 11:38:43 (gbp, of course) Jul 21 11:38:43 berndhs, that wouldn't be such a bad idea security-wise... as soon as device is far away from tag... lock it up Jul 21 11:39:00 sure it would simplify lots of things Jul 21 12:37:35 hi all Jul 21 12:38:47 hi jonwil Jul 21 13:07:39 Stskeeps, do you know the status of the n950-ce builds? Jul 21 13:07:51 we're working on moslo side at the moment Jul 21 13:07:52 as in, can they be flashed Jul 21 13:08:07 lbt: Have you been bugged enough today? :) Jul 21 13:08:08 is that work on the public obs? Jul 21 13:08:39 lcuk: no Jul 21 13:08:47 lcuk: can't be for various reasons Jul 21 13:09:53 that is a shame Jul 21 13:15:00 Stskeeps, are the n950 images on the repository.maemo.org site not bootable then? Jul 21 13:15:12 http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.8.20110715.2.DE.2011-07-18.2/images/ Jul 21 13:15:47 or is the bootable part the moslo thing? Jul 21 13:16:01 when you say n950 images... Jul 21 13:16:12 oh sorry, one of them does have n950! Jul 21 13:17:48 oh man Jul 21 13:18:45 Myrtti, \o Jul 21 13:19:31 * Myrtti grabs a pint and cries softly on lcuk's shoulder Jul 21 13:19:40 wassup Myrtti ? Jul 21 13:19:42 life Jul 21 13:19:46 * lcuk gets a pint too Jul 21 13:22:45 fiferboy, lbt is busy today. He said he may get chance to look at the repo publising bug late tonight Jul 21 13:23:05 vgrade: Cool, thanks Jul 21 13:23:13 I figured he would be busy Jul 21 13:23:29 lbt, if you need anyone to test things there are a number of us willing to help Jul 21 13:23:47 fiferboy, vgrade - is there anything we can do to try diagnose problem Jul 21 13:23:54 to help simplify it for david Jul 21 13:24:30 ie, do we know if publishing does not work for anyone Jul 21 13:24:34 or specific project type etc Jul 21 13:24:55 lcuk: I have heard that it is not just Harmattan repos that are not publishing, but I haven't experienced that Jul 21 13:25:17 yeah, i have a repo that isn't Jul 21 13:25:20 I rebuilt my project for Harmattan and MeeGo and only the Harmattan refused to publish for me Jul 21 13:25:29 its both MeeGo trunk and HArmatttan Jul 21 13:25:44 for me Jul 21 13:26:31 there have also been stuck builds reported with rc timout messages reported Jul 21 13:26:32 Yeah, it looks like my MeeGo packages didn't complain about publishing but the packages in the repo haven't been refreshed (could be build versions didn't change though) Jul 21 13:27:18 I tried 2 packages, they both say they have published but haven't Jul 21 13:27:40 ok, to try and follow the flow here Jul 21 13:27:51 yes, I get all the signs from the GUI that things have completed fine and the new versions are referenced from the GUI just not copied to the repo Jul 21 13:27:53 can we try to walk one project Jul 21 13:28:10 including links to the project pages and where they would expect to be published to Jul 21 13:28:50 so that at a glance we could run through the link pages and say "this is here, this is here, this is not here but expected to be" Jul 21 13:29:20 let me get the links Jul 21 13:29:25 thanks Jul 21 13:29:46 https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binaries?package=instalateur&project=home%3Aearthling%3Adeploy&repository=meego_current_Core Jul 21 13:30:06 there it says it has version 0.1.4.6-1.5 in the repo Jul 21 13:30:11 all my repos haven't been publishing for a few days now :-(, not just harmattan Jul 21 13:30:23 http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/earthling:/deploy/meego_current_Core/i586/ Jul 21 13:30:38 that's the repo, which still has the previous version only Jul 21 13:30:39 you can download updated versions through the api using osc or using the webinterface Jul 21 13:34:06 http://pastebin.com/2QA29u3g Jul 21 13:35:09 qgil hi Jul 21 13:35:24 hi vgrade Jul 21 13:35:40 qgil: morning Jul 21 13:36:11 hi there thiago - glad to follow you in G+ ;) Jul 21 13:36:49 * thiago already spends far too much time on it Jul 21 13:37:04 is it more addictive than IRC? Jul 21 13:37:07 people like G+ yeah? Jul 21 13:37:15 Stskeeps: IRC is work for me Jul 21 13:37:24 the only time I'm not online is when the computer is suspended Jul 21 13:37:39 btw any Chess lovers willing to practice some Qt & Quick skills for a MeeGo mobile app focusing on handset? Jul 21 13:38:01 Stskeeps: can't find you there... want me to invite you? Jul 21 13:38:25 qgil, there has been much talk on #harmattan about where all the new exiting N950 apps should be pushed to, have you been following? Jul 21 13:38:58 thiago: i'm still contemplating if i want to join, i have a couple of invites Jul 21 13:39:36 oh, I wasn't aware of a #harmattan channel vgrade - anyway, the place to discuss this is http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3671 Jul 21 13:40:35 Stskeeps: ok, then you have one more now Jul 21 13:41:08 wb, qgil Jul 21 13:41:12 good holidays i hope :) Jul 21 13:42:02 w00t: it was a week in Zeeland playing with the kids, the tide and the rain - connecting only to check the weather updates ;) Jul 21 13:42:34 :) Jul 21 13:42:38 always good Jul 21 13:42:38 fiferboy: vgrade ... it's not testing... there is just something wrong with the OBS rsync setup Jul 21 13:43:00 hi, all! Jul 21 13:43:07 it isn't well documented and we hacked it to make it work for us last year ... when we upgraded something broke Jul 21 13:43:13 I probably have unlimited invites Jul 21 13:43:44 lbt, thanks for the update Jul 21 13:43:53 but it appears I am behind... X-Fade fixed it .... cheers Niels! Jul 21 13:44:18 * lbt thinkgs meego.com and maemo.org would collapse without X-Fade Jul 21 13:45:43 X-Fade, lbt, what do we need to do now. Trigger rebuilds? Jul 21 13:45:58 lbt: precisely these days I was thinking that X-Fade and Soumya are the two most unsung heroes I have the pleasure to work with Jul 21 13:46:56 lbt, X-Fade: My repo is publishing now, thanks! Jul 21 13:46:58 osc rebuild --all FTW Jul 21 13:46:58 qgil: absolutely Jul 21 13:47:26 ++ qgil Jul 21 13:47:27 hey gabrbedd Jul 21 13:47:58 * lbt needs more "met in RL in SF" flags Jul 21 13:49:12 * Myrtti gives lbt a few stickerbooks Jul 21 13:49:14 no, wait Jul 21 13:49:40 we're emptying mums house and I found a huge bag of floppy disc stickers. You can use them ^____^ Jul 21 13:49:49 * Myrtti gives to lbt. Jul 21 13:50:23 * lbt starts sticking them to the irc log Jul 21 13:50:37 classic Jul 21 13:50:40 Myrtti: got any scrolly ones? Jul 21 13:52:32 lbt, most irc clients have keyword highlight, use it to include nicknames of people Jul 21 13:52:54 lbt: \o. Jul 21 13:52:56 * lbt wants a little mouseover with photos and notes.... Jul 21 13:53:21 mouse over? :P Jul 21 13:53:30 you mean finger press :P Jul 21 13:53:30 :P Jul 21 13:53:40 * lbt means gaze-driven Jul 21 13:54:11 hah Jul 21 13:54:16 with subliminal "W(ho)TF" triggering Jul 21 13:54:54 anyhow ... I shouldn't be chatting ... too much to do,,, Jul 21 13:54:58 l8r Jul 21 13:55:03 \o Jul 21 13:57:25 lcuk: lbt: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/07/jamming-with-free-code-another-webcam-ableton-live-face-tracking-performance-with-faceosc/ Jul 21 14:07:13 haha gabrbedd Jul 21 14:07:16 that is awesome Jul 21 14:10:36 gabrbedd, the facial tracking is very nice Jul 21 14:30:21 ping lbt X-Fade Jul 21 14:32:22 rcg, please say what you want them for, they are extremely busy wrangling obs at the moment Jul 21 14:33:26 lcuk: oh right.. thanks Jul 21 14:34:29 ^ i'd like to apply for an build.pub.meego.com account Jul 21 14:35:19 my meego.com account is "wonko" Jul 21 14:36:37 rcg, cool - now, what do you plan on doing with your account Jul 21 14:36:58 and you have read http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder I gather since you are here asking Jul 21 14:38:19 lcuk: thanks :) Jul 21 14:38:58 basically i am porting some of my Fremantle stuff to Harmattan + i am currently developing a new application for securely storing passwords and the like for Harmattan Jul 21 14:39:16 rcg: Harmattan has a secure storage. See aegis. Jul 21 14:40:01 my old applications are e.g.: vumeter, stultitiasimplex, Zeecontrol see: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Wonko Jul 21 14:41:08 thiago: yeah, my application also uses aegis.. though (either because i didn't get the concept right or am paranoid) i encrypt the data stored in the aegis store once more using a user supplied secret Jul 21 14:44:45 thiago: according to http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/aegis-crypto/classaegis_1_1storage.html#a5d610890dd3c5a845e73e517cec058b5 you need a resource token to access the aegis storage vfs.. this token must be owned by the application.. currently the only thing i managed to get this "token" was to request an application via the aegis manifest and then use the application id to authenticate with the storage Jul 21 14:46:09 in my point of view, having the storage only "secured" by something such as the application id is kinda suboptimal.. hence, the additional layer of encryption via a user supplied secret (password) using http://delta.affinix.com/docs/qca/index.html Jul 21 14:52:01 btw. of course all my applications are open source ;) Jul 21 14:52:59 rcg: are you using gnome-keyring-daemon? I think it's part of meego core Jul 21 14:54:29 tomeu: no, just some password entered by the user and then use symmetric encription.. but thanks for the pointer Jul 21 14:54:41 *encryption Jul 21 14:55:07 I have no idea how it relates with aegis, though Jul 21 14:55:09 rcg: NFC may add shiny Jul 21 14:55:31 Depending on how easy to use and open the NFC stuff is Jul 21 14:56:37 SpeedEvil: for authentication? Jul 21 14:56:44 yes Jul 21 14:56:55 hmm.. sounds cool indeed Jul 21 14:57:09 For example - tap phone to a ring or something with an ID Jul 21 14:57:10 though, i dunno how complex that stuff will be ;) Jul 21 14:57:19 yeah Jul 21 14:58:21 http://www.mynfcbusinesscard.com/ your private security dongle Jul 21 14:58:39 currently i am still working on getting the basics working ;) Jul 21 14:58:56 Ideally you'd want a ring that lost key when you removed it Jul 21 15:00:32 so far one can store, edit, view, and delete entries.. the encryption stuff also works.. though i'd have to double check this once more to see if there are possible flaws in there Jul 21 15:01:10 SpeedEvil: usually you use the dongle for storing the passphrase to a key stored on the phone. So you are free to reconfigure that key to have a different passphrase any time (given you have the master key :-D ) Jul 21 15:05:17 DocScrutinizer: thanks for that link Jul 21 15:05:26 yw Jul 21 15:11:12 rcg: did you ping me? Jul 21 15:14:09 lbt: yes Jul 21 15:14:10 * Myrtti points in backlog Jul 21 15:14:14 lbt: are we having any mailing list issues? Jul 21 15:14:44 i'd like to apply for an build.pub.meego.com account... my meego.com account is "wonko" Jul 21 15:14:44 Myrtti, rcg I rebooted - missed backlog Jul 21 15:14:47 aw Jul 21 15:14:58 so I see Jul 21 15:15:01 lbt: I'm subscribed to all of them (except commits) and only got 6 messages Jul 21 15:15:06 basically i am porting some of my Fremantle stuff to Harmattan + i am currently developing a new application for securely storing passwords and the like for Harmattan Jul 21 15:15:09 my old applications are e.g.: vumeter, stultitiasimplex, Zeecontrol see: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Wonko Jul 21 15:15:10 * Myrtti needs to go clean her glasses again Jul 21 15:15:16 lbt: maybe everyone is on holiday, but that's highly unusual Jul 21 15:15:16 rcg: sure Jul 21 15:15:21 done Jul 21 15:15:24 have fun Jul 21 15:15:27 DawnFoster: something's shady with archives on lists.meego.com at least, meego-commits doesn't have anything since 16th Jul 21 15:15:28 lbt: great, thanks :) Jul 21 15:15:46 Stskeeps: that's not good Jul 21 15:15:55 must have been some issues with the migration Jul 21 15:16:06 but meego-dev has from 20th Jul 21 15:16:08 * lbt wasn't involved. Jul 21 15:16:10 (and latest, i think) Jul 21 15:16:12 lbt: can you escalate to the rest of the IT team and investigage Jul 21 15:16:19 OK Jul 21 15:16:47 DawnFoster: i can't recall, did i give you irc stats for this month or not? Jul 21 15:16:50 er, for june Jul 21 15:17:49 Stskeeps: oooh, good point. I don't think so Jul 21 15:17:55 and I'm working on those today Jul 21 15:17:56 ok, that goes on my todo then Jul 21 15:18:00 :) Jul 21 15:18:04 ok, my 'now' todo then.. Jul 21 15:18:05 sec Jul 21 15:18:58 DawnFoster: I'm getting commit messages Jul 21 15:19:32 lbt: but they aren't being archived http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2011-July/thread.html Jul 21 15:19:50 OK .. so just checking lists vs web-archive :) Jul 21 15:20:49 yep ... mails in handet, packaging, releases, kernel, qa, ivi since yesterday Jul 21 15:22:06 DawnFoster: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.jun.html Jul 21 15:22:37 DawnFoster: Niels and mike are looking at it Jul 21 15:24:07 Stskeeps / lbt: Thanks! Jul 21 15:24:19 np Jul 21 15:24:23 * Stskeeps goes back to reading about rdf Jul 21 15:25:07 hm, new meego product: http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/21/samsungs-ultralight-n100-delivers-atom-powered-meego-to-the-ind/ Jul 21 15:26:10 let's see... Jul 21 15:27:41 mmm, classic endadget comments as well... Jul 21 15:27:52 ranging everywhere from stupid to just plain uninformed ;) Jul 21 15:28:43 uninformed opinions on the internet? impossible! Jul 21 15:30:09 *giggles* :) Jul 21 15:30:40 The comments on there are generally quite funny, even though they do have a nasty tendency to make me loose faith in humanity ;) Jul 21 15:30:52 try reading talk.maemo.org at times then Jul 21 15:30:52 :P Jul 21 15:32:26 *giggles* Oh, i know, they're everywhere :) Jul 21 16:08:09 http://www.britishairways.com/travel/inet/public/en_gb Jul 21 16:08:16 select "title" Jul 21 16:10:25 CosmoHill, :D Jul 21 16:10:53 they should allow combinations Jul 21 16:11:08 they do Jul 21 16:11:08 Rear Admiral Prof Dr Jul 21 16:11:12 scroll down further Jul 21 16:11:30 that almost sounds like a youth-a-miz-ium Jul 21 16:11:45 (phonetic spelling ftw) Jul 21 16:12:39 CosmoHill: :-) Jul 21 16:51:28 stormer, I can setup a proxy in pacrunner with this python script: and then telepathy-gabble will attempt to use the specified proxy. But the config with the proxy is alive only while the python script is running (that is 10 seconds, there is a sleep(10))... pacrunner checks when the configurator leaves the bus and unregisters the config Jul 21 16:51:49 stormer, do you know what is the intent of that? Jul 21 17:03:44 albanc: sorry for the delay Jul 21 17:04:13 albanc: the runner is suppose to be setup by the network deamon, ConnMan or NetworkManager (the session isntance) Jul 21 17:04:34 this way, the proxy is automatically disabled when you logout Jul 21 17:05:24 I think the goal was to get rid of gnome proxy setting UI and merge this into network seettings UI Jul 21 17:06:25 It's also possible for network manager or connman to setup system whide proxy, in which case the system deamon would push the settings, this one nevers quit I guess Jul 21 17:09:14 stormer, you said the goal was to merge this into network panel... is it mentioned somewhere in some mailing list or spec? Jul 21 17:10:26 albanc: got that fro speaking to Hotsman on IRC Jul 21 17:10:29 stormer, /usr/libexec/carrick-connection-panel always run... and it has a connection to the session bus & GConf... that may be the easier solution Jul 21 17:11:15 albanc: don't connman has a plugin mechanism ? e.g. NetworkManager Jul 21 17:11:25 * stormer have no idea what is carrick-connection-panel Jul 21 17:12:07 carrick-connection-panel is the panel displayed when I click on the network icon on the top right of the screen (the icon with the wifi in my case) Jul 21 17:12:40 I can connect on a specific wifi network, enable/disable bluetooth, go offline from this panel Jul 21 17:13:03 I don't know about connman plugin mechanism Jul 21 17:13:19 ah! so yes, it's most-likely a good place to setup PacRunner, it's much simpler, especially that for now I guess it's fine to limit this to session, and keep it connection independant Jul 21 17:14:26 First step could be to listen to GConf changes (from gnome-control-panel) and push them to pacrunner Jul 21 17:14:41 but maybe it would be nice for next version to suggest some "per-connection" proxy settings, I was thinking or some proxy profiles that you could auto-magically enable on certain network Jul 21 17:15:10 that would be nice yes Jul 21 17:15:15 that seems like a good idea Jul 21 17:15:42 I think all this has been in so bad shape that making it work and enhancing it later is the best we can do Jul 21 17:16:18 second step, if we add UI bits in carrick-connection-panel, we don't need the proxy config from gnome-control-panel anymore... but keeping the GConf storage is good, at least for chromium Jul 21 17:17:31 albanc: right, unles they move to gnome 3 gsettings stuff, which is a little different (but not that much0 Jul 21 17:18:31 but in the future, we might want to simply patch chromium to use libproxy Jul 21 17:19:15 this way we make our stuff storage independant, thus better in cross DE Jul 21 17:19:59 yes Jul 21 17:20:21 I heard rgs likes patching chromium Jul 21 17:23:44 rgs_, we were talking about proxies in MeeGo... gnome-control-center has UI to set the proxy, it stores it in GConf, and chromium reads the GConf settings directly. Other applications use libproxy. My patches attached on #10025 let glib-networking use libproxy correctly. Jul 21 17:24:26 rgs_, on MeeGo, it's not libproxy but something with the same API/ABI (pacrunner) and it does not read the GConf settings written by gnome-control-center, so it does not work Jul 21 17:25:40 rgs_, stormer and I were discussing about making the MeeGo network panel listen for GConf changes and push those changes into pacrunner, so proxies would work in every application using libproxy (e.g. telepathy-gabble) Jul 21 17:28:07 And Soup Jul 21 17:30:48 stormer, ohhh Soup for Facebook? Jul 21 17:31:26 Yes, there a bug that says proxy does not work for Facebook plugin using Soup Jul 21 17:31:43 so if applications using libproxy work, Facebook will magically work again :) Jul 21 17:31:57 And stuff like HTTP live streaming, or any HTTP video in gstreamer uses soup Jul 21 17:32:45 that would be good Jul 21 17:37:34 stormer, is there any open bug about HTTP live streaming with proxies? Jul 21 17:39:35 albanc, https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=http+proxy Jul 21 17:49:47 albanc: I don't think so, let's say HTTP streaming and gstreamer is not super ready yet Jul 21 17:50:34 Also, HTTP streaming (video tags) in browsers use the browser HTTP stack as it sometimes requires cookies Jul 21 18:01:49 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Reverse-Brute-Force.aspx Jul 21 18:03:09 ah but the replacement allows for unauthorized names, which the original doesn't :) Jul 21 18:05:33 * CosmoHill points to line 15,321 default: echo $name; Jul 21 18:07:14 yes but that cleverly marks the unauthorized name as starting with lower case if the intruder doesn't know about this security scheme Jul 21 19:48:48 lbt, X-Fade: Looks like OBS publishing is on the fritz again? Jul 21 19:50:06 again or still ? Jul 21 19:50:26 berndhs: It was working earlier today Jul 21 19:50:43 maybe it was selective :) Jul 21 19:57:11 * lbt still working ... l8r :) Jul 21 19:57:22 lbt: Thanks! Jul 21 19:57:29 Just wanted to make sure you were aware :) Jul 21 19:57:55 OK - FYI it only publishes when everything in a project finishes building Jul 21 19:58:32 Yeah, all the builds went to "succeeded" but didn't publish Jul 21 20:00:43 ah that explains something Jul 21 21:02:31 off topic, do you use .net to develop for windows phone? Jul 21 21:03:11 STOP TALKING WINDOWS PHONE Jul 21 21:03:18 You have been warned before Jul 21 21:03:27 Lol Jul 21 21:03:35 I love shouting in Caps Jul 21 21:04:30 I thought objective c could be used too? Jul 21 21:05:15 Oh Jul 21 21:05:18 Maybe C# Jul 21 21:05:26 mono :) Jul 21 21:05:27 Can't find much about it Jul 21 21:05:53 Reffy hi Jul 21 21:06:51 Hey, what's up? Jul 21 21:07:08 last video looking great Jul 21 21:07:55 i've kicked spotify into touch due to the rip off pricing so I'm looking forward to giving your stuff a go Jul 21 21:08:27