**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 22 02:59:57 2011 Jul 22 04:42:11 morn Jul 22 04:42:34 sup Jul 22 04:43:41 not much, glad it's soon weekend :P Jul 22 05:06:34 'menta Jul 22 06:05:57 morning indeed Jul 22 06:33:38 X-Fade, lbt. I'm still having publishing issues. http://pastebin.com/2QA29u3g Jul 22 07:13:46 so I have an lg c2000 with at&t thats been great for many years, and i've been hoping to get a meego phone with lte when thats available from at&t in the next year or so, does anyone know of such a phone? Jul 22 07:14:43 afk, there's only one meego phone Jul 22 07:18:50 the n9? will there be an n9 with lte? Jul 22 07:19:04 i hope so Jul 22 07:48:08 nickzxcv, there will be no further Nokia MeeGo phones of any kind. Jul 22 07:49:13 People are in denial about this fact, encouraged by how nice the N9 is, but nothing has changed with the situation since the Feb announcement. Jul 22 07:50:19 and judging how many people are leaving it's probably difficult to ever redecide Jul 22 07:51:43 are any other companies likely to make meego phones? Jul 22 07:51:59 yes, probably Jul 22 07:53:00 MaxwellsDemon, I've had good luck with keyboard/mouse lockup recovery using MagicSysrq key, namely Ctrl-Alt-Sysrq followed by Ctrl-Alt-R. Read Wikipedia article about "Magic Sysrq". Works on MeeGo Tablet 1.2 with ExoPC when frozen. Jul 22 07:54:17 I've been working on IVI since I think it's the part with the brightest future. MeeGo could fail on handset and tablet and still be a big success in auto, medical, smartgrid, plug computers, copy machines, fitness devices . . . toasters. Jul 22 08:01:09 Hyvää yötä all. Jul 22 08:01:23 nite Jul 22 08:03:41 to build Intel emgd support package for Meego, install and run Windows binaries, sigh Jul 22 08:05:13 what is the window flag to set window auto orientation in qt for n950 ? Jul 22 08:14:11 TheBootroo: use the QML Page element. it has orientationLock property Jul 22 08:14:28 or are you using qwidgets? Jul 22 08:14:53 timoph: i don't use QML directely, i use qtdeclarative in a declarativeview Jul 22 08:15:14 and i can't give my window an auto orientation Jul 22 08:15:29 you might have to implement the orientation changing yourself Jul 22 08:15:53 timoph: that's why i ask for the right flag and signal for detection Jul 22 08:16:40 afaik it's implemented in meegotouch Jul 22 08:17:38 lbt: any estimation when the obs publishing problem will be fixed? Jul 22 08:17:39 but dunno much else about that. I'm using the qml stuff so I get the automatic orientation free Jul 22 08:17:55 the old thing that works for symbian and maemo 5 : qApp->desktop(), SIGNAL(resized(int)), and this->setAttribute(Qt::WA_AutoOrientation, true); does no more work Jul 22 08:18:19 timoph: when i build full qml apps, they doesn't rotate Jul 22 08:18:33 only Harmattan Components apps Jul 22 08:18:39 broken since 17th July :-( Jul 22 08:19:18 but i don't want to use them, my apps must work on Symbian3, Maemo5, Harmattan, MeeGo CE, Ubuntu and Win7 Jul 22 08:20:02 TheBootroo: you're in for some pain Jul 22 08:20:37 timoph: i don't matter how much pain i will have, i just wanna know how to get the thing going on Jul 22 08:21:03 i'm already writing my own Declarative components kit, but the view doesn't rotate on N950 Jul 22 08:21:05 achipa wrote a good blog post on that matter. Basically do the logic in c++, keep you UI layer very thin and do separate qml UI's for the different targets Jul 22 08:21:19 timoph: i will not Jul 22 08:21:43 well don't but don't expect things to work smoothly Jul 22 08:21:45 timoph: i dont' like the idea of having duplicated ui just written in differents components Jul 22 08:22:07 timoph: my stuff is smoother than Harmattan Components stuff Jul 22 08:22:27 and at least i can test the app on every plateforme out there Jul 22 08:22:44 for example the UI paragdims for win7 and harmattan are completely different. how on earth you expect the same code to work on both Jul 22 08:22:49 harmattan components apps are not even testable on a desktop OS Jul 22 08:23:00 timoph: i've some tricks Jul 22 08:23:19 * timoph out. back in 5 Jul 22 08:23:55 timoph: and i've created a brand new UI paradigm, resolution scabable, rotation proof, and fully stylable Jul 22 08:24:08 Beineri: X-Fade said it was done... will nag him Jul 22 08:24:41 so i can adapt on evvery platform, mobile or desktop (basically on desktop it emulates a mobile ux, to allow full speed testing of apps) Jul 22 08:30:14 Not being QML,it will not be very flexible Jul 22 08:31:25 RST38h: its Qml, its only not specifical components Jul 22 08:31:42 TheBootroo: but anyway. if you're not willing to use qml (or meegotouch) you need implement the orientation changing yourself. look up QOrientation in mobility Jul 22 08:32:03 but qt might have a var containg the screen orientation somewhere, if not how could it rotate Harmattan Components ? Jul 22 08:32:27 ah ok Jul 22 08:32:32 like said the thing is implemented in libmeegotouch (iirc) Jul 22 08:32:39 not in Qt itself Jul 22 08:33:04 timoph: unhopefully MTF is deprecated, and QML is far from complete for the use i want, and i don't want to use plateform specific QML packs Jul 22 08:33:47 TheBootroo: in that case you "just" need to implement the things you need yourself Jul 22 08:33:52 simple as that Jul 22 08:34:40 timoph: i know i have to implement it but how can i get the information i need (orientation) and set the right flag on the window to let the window compositor draw it rotated ? Jul 22 08:35:07 Isn't that getting someone else to tell you how to implement it ? Jul 22 08:35:10 like I said look at the orientation stuff in mobility Jul 22 08:35:39 * slaine has been away for a week a notes this conversation is still going on. Jul 22 08:35:48 :D Jul 22 08:36:07 slaine: and I bet it's not going away any time soon :/ Jul 22 08:36:42 * slaine drinks nice hot coffee Jul 22 08:36:47 slaine: i only to someone that would know the magical bit that gives the desktop orientation, and who knows why the hell the QDesktopWidget::resized() signal is no more emitted on harmattan Jul 22 08:37:50 * timoph gives up Jul 22 08:40:58 TheBootroo: I'm arriving late to this discussion, but why don't you just read the sources? Jul 22 08:42:38 tomeu: because they are huge and i have no idea about where to search for the interesting bits (i've spent some time on the MTF gitorious but not found anything) Jul 22 08:45:21 TheBootroo: I recommend you to spend time developing the skills to read the code of big projects, it's not that hard and will allow you to raise a lot the limits of what you can do Jul 22 08:45:31 grep is mostly what you need Jul 22 08:45:55 start grepping by obvious keywords and patiently work your way until you find what you want Jul 22 08:46:26 tomeu: too bad i'm forced to work on windows at office :-( Jul 22 08:46:30 so no grep Jul 22 08:46:42 there are several implementations of grep that run on windows Jul 22 08:47:13 and there must be equivalent tools, cannot believe windows programmers don't have multi-file search tools Jul 22 08:47:17 ORLY ? Jul 22 08:47:24 though that may explain some things :) Jul 22 08:48:43 TheBootroo: MTF gets the physical orientation from contextkit Screen.TopEdge, and combines that with keyboard state and other info to decide on window orientation. QML (at least meego-ux thingies) uses QOrientationSensor to get the same physical orientation info. Jul 22 08:51:34 Ronksu: but both contextkit and qorientationsensors are external libs that don't work on desktop os ? Jul 22 08:54:17 TheBootroo: probably so. Jul 22 08:54:34 or well, don't see why contextkit wouldn't work, but I doubt you find it anywhere on desktop. Jul 22 08:55:13 Ronksu: and the QOrientationSensor is part of QtMobility right ? Jul 22 08:55:18 yep. Jul 22 08:55:46 the problem is that there there is not easy #define that would say IS_MOBILE Jul 22 08:56:23 i have to do hard tricks to find if we are on Symbian or maemo, but there is no define for meego / harmattan Jul 22 08:57:00 mcfrisk, EMGD is part of MeeGo now, you don't need to build it from the window installer Jul 22 08:57:43 TheBootroo: http://wiki.meego.com/Porting_Fremantle_Applications_to_Harmattan#Harmattan_scope Jul 22 08:58:33 timoph: unneed doc that saids : use QML and be happy with it you can no more do anything else Jul 22 08:59:07 timoph: hum ok Jul 22 08:59:11 just read it. it tell you how to use defines for harmattan Jul 22 08:59:19 did not saw the meego edition define Jul 22 08:59:49 i don't really need to know if this is harmattan or standard meego, but more if this is mobile platform or not Jul 22 09:00:01 vgrade, emgd is there but kernel module not (fixed that) and the gst-plugins-mixvideo, gst-plugins-va and gst-vabuffer are also not there Jul 22 09:01:17 TheBootroo: well you need to know what are mobile and what are not somehow.. Jul 22 09:01:37 mcfrisk, yes the only kernel to include is the ivi one Jul 22 09:02:10 timoph: i need to differenciate if the platform is win|linux|osx or symbian|maemo|meego Jul 22 09:02:25 so if it supports mobility or not Jul 22 09:02:34 TheBootroo: I understood that Jul 22 09:03:16 so ivi kernel already has it? Jul 22 09:03:37 mcfrisk, yup Jul 22 09:03:50 kernel-automotive Jul 22 09:04:41 ok, does anyone know about the gst stuff then, is it even required? Jul 22 09:05:08 timoph: in fact i should only need to detect if QtSensors module is available Jul 22 09:05:26 mcfrisk, I'm not familiar Jul 22 09:09:05 morning Jul 22 09:10:50 vgrade, thanks. I will have to look into this. Intel support wasn't really helping with meego specifics... Jul 22 09:39:15 has anyone tried to get an i386 build of MeeGo? recompiling all source packages for i386 and such Jul 22 09:39:30 should be possible with a OBS Jul 22 09:40:35 Stskeeps, so I'll need a local OBS to try that, then... Jul 22 09:42:27 right Jul 22 09:42:31 too many interdependancies Jul 22 09:42:42 i've succesfully made a armv6+vfp build out of a armv7 one Jul 22 09:45:46 Stskeeps, so it is not a crazy idea then to try to setup a local OBS as in your 10 easy steps wiki page, and try to build i386 packages... right? something else I should consider before starting that? Jul 22 09:46:09 aleksander_m: my page might be out of date, but right Jul 22 09:46:11 i did it on a crap machine Jul 22 09:46:40 Stskeeps, ok, thanks, great :-) Jul 22 09:46:57 you'll need at least 40-50gb Jul 22 09:51:40 aleksander_m, i recommend you read the local OBS guide on opensuse - it's tailored for meego and more up to date thant stskeeps page Jul 22 09:51:55 using obstag is also much nicer (documenation is on the meego wiki) Jul 22 10:16:50 i dont find messaging application in MeeGo 1.2 Tablet (QEMU) Jul 22 10:17:03 can some one please tell me its binary name? Jul 22 10:26:32 is there any messaging application in MeeGo1.2?? Jul 22 10:27:00 bkalinga, is it peregrine? (I have n900-ce tablet up and that is an icon, not sure if it is in standard Jul 22 10:28:36 lcuk2: how do i know whether it is peregrine or not..i installed MeeGo1.2 from meego.com..so i guess that should be a pinetrail but not sure Jul 22 10:28:57 bkalinga, well have a look on the app launcher grid and see Jul 22 10:29:44 i see Email app but messaging is not there, so thought of asking its binary name so that i can search, or may be install using zypper Jul 22 10:30:49 bkalinga: you're using the netbook I assume ? Jul 22 10:31:11 Ah, sorry, Tablet Jul 22 10:31:17 slaine:meego@[meego-tablet-sdk] Jul 22 10:31:36 using it through QEMU no hardware with me Jul 22 10:31:49 I think it's got a built in Empathy support, like the netbook, but not 100% sure Jul 22 10:32:03 so can i install the messaging from zypper? Jul 22 10:32:18 I've not used the tablet at all so I can't say for sure Jul 22 10:32:37 | libdeclarative-messaging | Qt Mobility Messaging QML plugin | package Jul 22 10:32:47 libsocialweb Jul 22 10:32:56 and any apps that use it Jul 22 10:33:13 I'd imagine it's a meego- named package Jul 22 10:33:31 i need messaging: for writing SMS Jul 22 10:33:33 I thought it had it built in as well Jul 22 10:33:36 libsocialweb pulls in telepathy libs amount other things. Jul 22 10:33:38 oh Jul 22 10:33:43 bkalinga: ah Jul 22 10:33:54 Don't think there's an SMS app on the Tablegt Jul 22 10:34:00 libsocialweb might be for other purpose Jul 22 10:34:15 it is, twitter, Facebook, MSN etc. Jul 22 10:34:45 hmm, so no default SMS app for Tablet Jul 22 10:35:21 may be SMS app is not required for tablet Jul 22 10:38:29 bkalinga: there's a meego tablet im application Jul 22 10:38:59 Robot101:could you please tell me its name Jul 22 10:39:34 meego-app-im Jul 22 10:39:57 its not set up for sms, just internet messaging Jul 22 10:47:03 Robot101: thanks, let me try this out Jul 22 11:15:29 lbt: Hi, I just received a Nokia N950 Dev-Package and would like to access the community OBS Jul 22 11:17:47 blubbi: sure ... meego account name? Jul 22 11:17:58 lbt: blubbi Jul 22 11:18:14 done ... have fun :) Jul 22 11:18:45 lbt: thx a lot... lets see if i can manage the transition from Maemo to meego :-) Jul 22 11:26:38 By the way, is anyone here with a n950? I am having some trouble to use ssh key authentification for "user" (root with identical .ssh dir works fine) Jul 22 11:44:36 are we using syslog on meego? Jul 22 11:49:11 think so Jul 22 11:49:32 or not, hmm Jul 22 11:49:56 we should be using rsyslog right? Jul 22 11:50:00 hey Stskeeps Jul 22 11:50:02 sysklogd in 1.2 and nothing in 1.3 ;) Jul 22 11:50:22 zypper at least is doing some log there Jul 22 11:50:40 systemd seems to have some syslog stuff Jul 22 11:50:42 logs, who needs logs anyway! ;) Jul 22 11:52:18 dm8tbr: well, if we just use sysklogd then we just log kernel stuff and this daemon if farily lightweight right? Jul 22 11:52:29 it's systemd rather than upstart ? Jul 22 11:52:43 * sivang just realized it'd not be so smart to use rsyslog on an handset target. Jul 22 11:53:13 Damion3: yes, there were plans to experiment with upstrat, but I remember someone saying for our use case systemd is better ... Stskeeps ? Jul 22 11:53:33 Damion3: remember we try to have single core throughout targets. Jul 22 11:53:45 I thought upstart was what maemo5 fremantle used, and so it would just progress to harmhatton ? Jul 22 11:53:54 harmatton Jul 22 11:54:36 meego 1.3 has systemd Jul 22 11:54:56 sorry just realised n950 isn't exactly meego, I'm confusing channels Jul 22 11:55:43 Damion3: fighting with the same meego <-> maemo conflict :-) Jul 22 11:56:02 blubbi, Damion3 : Nokia's harmattan is based on meego, not meego compliant Jul 22 11:56:10 that should solve the confusion. Jul 22 11:56:14 would be a lot easier if they'd just said that the n9 (and n950) were maemo6 with meego compatibiilty Jul 22 11:56:33 Damion3: but they said that... Jul 22 11:56:36 Damion3: yes but you can't put that into marketing material... Jul 22 11:56:38 several times, on several channels Jul 22 11:56:47 hey sivang :) Jul 22 11:56:47 community channels, that is. Jul 22 11:56:50 hey javier ! Jul 22 11:56:56 dm8tbr: yeah, acknowledged... Jul 22 11:57:08 Damion3: if you are a user, you don't care. If you are a developer, that's something else Jul 22 11:57:13 now with 150% more meego* (can contain traces of maemo6) Jul 22 11:57:14 sivang: are you attending the intel appup event? Jul 22 11:57:29 javier: I am :) Jul 22 11:57:36 sivang: me too :) Jul 22 11:57:42 javier: hopefully this time I will be able to help with answering questions :) Jul 22 11:57:56 excellent ^^ Jul 22 11:58:15 * sivang fell inlove with Ubuntu's unity. Jul 22 11:59:53 * javier hasn't tried it Jul 22 12:21:22 * lbt wonders if anyone knows what the simplest-to-setup irc server is for an internal deployment (on debian) Jul 22 12:21:55 lbt: I'm using hybrid Jul 22 12:21:58 unrealircd! Jul 22 12:22:07 and i bet w00t will say inspircd Jul 22 12:22:08 :P Jul 22 12:22:20 * w00t nods sagely Jul 22 12:22:31 it even has an up to date debian package, somewhere Jul 22 12:22:45 we don't have a debian package as i didn't believe in packaging for ircds, heh Jul 22 12:22:48 i think Jul 22 12:23:07 * dm8tbr somewhere also has his notes on how to rebuild the deb package for ssl support Jul 22 12:23:42 was a one liner Jul 22 12:23:59 Stskeeps: someone else wrote our packaging for us, all of us hated packaging at the time Jul 22 12:23:59 :P Jul 22 12:24:28 w00t: "at the time"? :> Jul 22 12:24:40 i don't completely detest it now Jul 22 12:26:09 :) .... it is just to setup internal chat rooms and ircbots for notices Jul 22 12:27:38 "Carsten Munk has specifically requested that UnrealIRCd not be included in Debian, and will likely be hostile towards it's inclusion." ... Jul 22 12:27:46 * w00t laughs Jul 22 12:27:54 he's an angry one ;) Jul 22 12:27:57 I found some issue on https://build.pub.meego.com/ . I've just compiled my package and if I check the download repository http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/zgyarmati:/meegotouchcp-wallpaper/Project_MTF_DE_Trunk_Testing/ it contains the old packages although the webpage can provide the new ones https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binaries?package=meegotouchcp-wallpaper&project=home%3Azgyarmati%3Ameegotouchcp-wallpaper&repository=Project_MTF_DE_Trun Jul 22 12:27:57 k_Testing . Any idea? Jul 22 12:28:22 lbt: oh i should so frame that quote Jul 22 12:28:43 lbt: there's a story behind it though, it was after my run-in with debian-legal Jul 22 12:28:43 :P Jul 22 12:29:06 I can understand how the one could follow from the other Jul 22 12:39:22 ooh ... tircd Jul 22 13:00:26 lbt, meego irc? Jul 22 13:01:03 Teleca internal for notifications Jul 22 13:01:28 cool Jul 22 13:01:37 so similar to #meego-boss style things? Jul 22 13:01:42 yep Jul 22 13:01:51 (which is dead ... must fix) Jul 22 13:03:20 lbt are the harmattan builds now working smoother? Jul 22 13:09:00 lcuk: I'm not really following them yet Jul 22 13:34:46 netbook ux: any way to make it full-screen all apps? Jul 22 13:59:56 gabrbedd: I think it's hardcoded not to do that Jul 22 14:00:54 slaine: ok, thanks Jul 22 14:01:37 as in, it sets windows up to be centered on the zone and utilize most of the screen. On small 1024x600 screens, I tend to full screen everything too Jul 22 14:04:29 slaine: how do you full-screen the window? Double-click the title bar? Jul 22 14:09:33 so,... Jul 22 14:09:39 my credit card finally arrived Jul 22 14:09:50 at 5 minutes to noon (right before the noon checkout deadline) Jul 22 14:09:54 timeless: drinks are on you ? Jul 22 14:10:01 it came with instructions to *immediately* activate the card Jul 22 14:10:04 by calling a number Jul 22 14:10:14 which when called informed me to call back during business hours Jul 22 14:10:16 i'm in Paris Jul 22 14:10:20 the card is a Canadian card Jul 22 14:10:30 whose business hours are thus incompatible with my location... Jul 22 14:10:35 ... Jul 22 14:11:05 there is 2 hour overlap between Paris and Toronto Jul 22 14:11:18 andre__: i think you're slowly making progress beating QAs into shape Jul 22 14:11:21 glad to see it Jul 22 14:11:58 berndhs: yeah but... Jul 22 14:12:16 of course the activation could take longer than that :) Jul 22 14:12:18 what idiot designs a credit card activation system and requires you to activate during business hours? Jul 22 14:12:27 keep in mind that the card is for business travelers Jul 22 14:12:28 canadians, apparently Jul 22 14:12:32 * w00t runs Jul 22 14:12:38 canadian banks, more specifically Jul 22 14:12:40 w00t: and finns Jul 22 14:13:06 and was requested by a traveler who had lost his card and was traveling and asked for it to be sent to *Paris* (yes, the one in France) Jul 22 14:13:19 timeless, think so? I'm still pessimistic. Jul 22 14:13:20 yeah, my Finnish bank was just as bad Jul 22 14:13:31 I see too much shit happening still, combined with silence. Jul 22 14:13:31 andre__: well, if you beat a qa over the head once Jul 22 14:13:34 do you need to do it again? Jul 22 14:13:41 that's the real measure Jul 22 14:13:53 you need to get someone else to file a second bug of the same kind for the same qa Jul 22 14:13:58 and see if they do the same things wrong Jul 22 14:14:01 andre__: it's not just developers who manage to do that, either Jul 22 14:14:02 if they do, then you've failed Jul 22 14:14:03 er, QA Jul 22 14:14:28 andre__: well, put differently, the instructions on the web page seem to work Jul 22 14:14:40 because they at least seem to manage to file bugs to the right places with most of the right info Jul 22 14:15:01 although i'm not certain the last bug i saw included a link to the downstream bug Jul 22 14:15:04 which would be unfortunate Jul 22 14:15:28 ok, it didn't Jul 22 14:15:37 "we" should fix the instructions to make that clear Jul 22 14:15:47 sending a patch from the ether instead of pointing to its origin sucks Jul 22 14:15:59 as I every day read the new reports: well. could be better. Jul 22 14:16:06 don't know if I can see progress or not yet. Jul 22 14:16:30 http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/UpstreamBugTrackers#Practice will need an extra sentence :( Jul 22 14:16:48 sorry, i'm trying to enjoy time w/ my cousin Jul 22 14:16:54 i just caught up w/ him in France Jul 22 14:17:08 (after getting my credit card and checking out of my hotel) Jul 22 14:17:13 the hotel service was excellent btw Jul 22 14:17:57 Jul 22 14:18:26 gabrbedd: the usual f11 key, if the app allows it, but I'm using F15 and gnomeshell mostly these days Jul 22 14:20:07 slaine: hmmmm.... i'll try that. Jul 22 14:20:45 gabrbedd: of course not all netbooks actually have an F11 key (points at the Dell Mini 9) Jul 22 14:24:55 slaine: true. F12 is even more rare. Jul 22 14:25:40 f12 is a Fn+f11 key on the ideapad Jul 22 14:26:20 slaine: lcuk: I recommended that a colleague buy a USB keyboard... but warned him that "F12 is a very useful thing to have... make sure that it has one." Jul 22 14:26:33 lol Jul 22 14:26:45 I've been encountering laptops and "compact" usb keyboards without F12 Jul 22 14:27:19 On some machines, you can't change boot order without F12. Jul 22 14:27:21 There's lots of them. Though, fullscreen is generally F11 on linux ( and lots don't have that too) Jul 22 14:29:01 slaine: fortunately, the netbook compensates by making the window border zone so small that it's nearly impossible to resize the window with a mouse (much less, your finger). Jul 22 14:29:30 I've come to the conclusion that netbooks suck the big one Jul 22 14:29:51 slaine: netbooks, yes. Jul 22 14:30:09 slaine: but I'm still passionately in love with convertable netbooks. Jul 22 14:30:31 as in the idea pad ? Jul 22 14:30:36 yeah. Jul 22 14:30:46 And I'd rather have a netbook over a tablet. Jul 22 14:31:00 * gabrbedd 's personal, geeky preference, of course Jul 22 14:31:07 I maxed the RAM on that and put a OCZ SSD in there and it's still crap Jul 22 14:31:43 slaine: ideapad? crappy... how? Jul 22 14:32:39 (not picking a fight... just curious to know your opinion) Jul 22 14:32:43 I'd like to see a convertible tablet with an AMD E-350 or so in it Jul 22 14:32:53 slaine: the ideapad we got in dublin works great.. running w7 :) Jul 22 14:32:56 better video, better cpu features, higher max ram... Jul 22 14:33:03 It's slow as hell, the screen height is too shallow and the trackpad is the worst one I've ever used. Jul 22 14:33:07 gabrbedd, only minor nit with the ideapad is the hinge is a bit looser than i would like Jul 22 14:33:18 gabrbedd: i'm actually quite happy w/ my PlayBook :) Jul 22 14:33:27 slaine, what software are you running on it Jul 22 14:33:32 * lcuk never notices it slow Jul 22 14:33:36 I've tried almost everything Jul 22 14:33:55 luck, slow from a compiling pov, and SATA1 interface Jul 22 14:34:16 different perspectives then Jul 22 14:34:40 slaine: FULL ACK on trackpad. Also the digitizer isn't very responsive. Jul 22 14:34:43 i find compiling to be instant and wouldn't know what kind of hard drive it had Jul 22 14:34:58 yeah, but it's the 600 px heigh screen that kills it the most of me Jul 22 14:35:03 oh yeah, trackpad - it should have a trackpoint Jul 22 14:35:04 slaine: speed seemed (to me) on par with other N450's, though. :-) Jul 22 14:35:09 for the size of it, it seems like it should have been 1280x800 Jul 22 14:35:15 lcuk: +1 Jul 22 14:35:39 timeless: thanks, I'll check it out. Jul 22 14:36:42 timeless: hrm? that's a tablet, right? Jul 22 14:37:01 gabrbedd: I guess I was expecting it to be a but faster than the N270, it it, but not by a huge margin Jul 22 14:37:09 s/a but/a bit/ Jul 22 14:37:09 slaine meant: gabrbedd: I guess I was expecting it to be a bit faster than the N270, it it, but not by a huge margin Jul 22 14:37:17 gabrbedd: yep Jul 22 14:37:31 there's even a FIPS approved model :) Jul 22 14:37:55 http://blogs.cio.com/mobilewireless/16413/blackberry-playbook-smart-card-reader-get-us-gov-security-cert Jul 22 14:38:04 * timeless thinks the smart card reader is some other product Jul 22 14:38:31 timeless: :nod: Jul 22 16:48:38 I am playing with Meego on hp mini 110-3000, and it works like a charm :) Jul 22 16:51:11 what is the difference between 1.2.0.90 and 1.2.80 netbook images?1.2.0.* is updated 1.2.0 and 1.2.80 is development build for upcoming 1.3? Jul 22 16:51:38 deus_ex: yup Jul 22 16:51:48 well, 1.2.0.90 will become 1.2.1 Jul 22 16:53:04 w00t: thanks, I have been running 1.2.80 from usb stick for some time now, and I like it :) Jul 22 16:53:42 much cleaner and faster than JoliOS that I have on a netbook. Jul 22 17:41:03 hello there Jul 22 17:41:10 .o/ Jul 22 17:41:18 * CosmoHill wonders how many sockets Intel currently have Jul 22 17:42:40 Hi everybody, can anybody help me with a question regarding the meego onscreen keyboard ? Jul 22 17:43:18 ask the question and someone will get back to you Jul 22 17:43:23 you don't need to ask if you can ask in here Jul 22 17:44:06 Ok, i try to install Maliit on a intel tablet PC (wetab/exo PC ) using Fedora 15 Jul 22 17:44:10 (gnome3) Jul 22 17:44:42 i did everything the install guide on the maliit page says but i dunno how to use or activate maliit now Jul 22 17:52:40 lm: * As user start meego-im-uiserver in a terminal Jul 22 17:52:40 * Run GTK_IM_MODULE=meego-im gedit Jul 22 17:52:56 wild guess: click in a field that allows text input? Jul 22 17:54:36 dumb question, how du i "run" the GTK module ? Jul 22 17:55:52 ok, heres my error: Jul 22 17:56:32 tablet@lm ~]$ meego-im-uiserver Jul 22 17:56:32 Use system compositor Jul 22 17:56:32 Couldn't create D-Bus server: Failed to bind socket "/tmp/meego-im-uiserver/imserver_dbus": Address already in use Jul 22 17:56:32 Aborted (core dumped) Jul 22 17:58:01 brb, phone Jul 22 18:01:49 t Jul 22 18:02:48 re Jul 22 18:24:50 lbt, X-Fade, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=i586&filename=kernel-adaptation-joggler-2.6.35.10-18.1.i586.rpm&package=kernel-adaptation-joggler&project=home%3Avgrade&repository=MeeGo_Trunk_standard . This and a number of my other packages have not been copied to http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/vgrade/MeeGo_Trunk_standard/ . I want to start building some images from this repo. Do you know when the rsync issu Jul 22 18:52:47 lm: uhm, don't know. Can you ask in #meego-inputmethods please (not sure if somebody is around right now, otherwise try later again)? Jul 22 19:05:43 andre__ will do, thx. Jul 22 19:06:01 i will be on for quite some time today :) Jul 22 19:06:37 lm: it's weekend - monday might be more successful :) Jul 22 19:07:15 ah well i guess ill meet somebody SOMEDAY ;-) Jul 22 19:10:30 having some trouble using obs..... Can anyone tell me what project provides libqt4-dev? Jul 22 19:34:23 Is there a zypper tutorial/ref doc somewhere at meego.com that explains how to find the right repo for updates? I don't want to *read* a tutorial, but find one to link to from a wiki page I'm editing. Jul 22 19:35:52 Alison_Chaiken: the repo urls are in /etc/zypp/repos.d Jul 22 19:35:57 Damn, just got notified about what happened in Oslo. Best wishes to all the Trolls and their families. Jul 22 19:36:44 Thanks ali1234, I know how to use zypper, but was hoping not to have to write instructions about how to do so myself. Assuredly an aMeeGo has already done so, somewhere? Jul 22 19:36:57 why? Jul 22 19:37:04 Alison_Chaiken: what happened in Oslo? Jul 22 19:38:01 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/jul/22/oslo-explosion-live-coverage Jul 22 19:38:07 what's the wiki page you are editing? Jul 22 19:38:41 ali1234, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_IVI_on_ExoPC Jul 22 19:38:46 A new one I'm making. Jul 22 19:39:54 ok i'm reading that page and i'm like "what?" Jul 22 19:40:17 Bye. Jul 22 19:42:51 the process outlined by that page isn't even going to be possivle with 1.3, due to the way the installer has been cut back Jul 22 19:43:59 but it seems like an odd way to do it anyway, i mean, why not just install tablet, then install all the packages from the IVI repos into that install? Jul 22 19:44:06 i mean all the miages use the same base files anyway... Jul 22 20:03:35 exopc..bah, just ask BMW to send you a target device ;P Jul 22 20:04:58 or 3 to make sure it's not a problem in the individual hw Jul 22 20:24:03 DawnFoster: ping Jul 22 20:24:37 hey thiago Jul 22 20:25:27 hi Dawn Jul 22 20:25:37 about the LinuxCon Brazil CFP deadline... Jul 22 20:25:51 today is the deadline for presentations for the MeeGo activities only? Jul 22 20:25:57 because the LF website says Sept 1st Jul 22 20:26:12 oops Jul 22 20:26:22 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-brazil/cfp Jul 22 20:26:25 in that case, the deadline must be Sept 1 :) Jul 22 20:26:42 it was originally July 22 Jul 22 20:26:58 they must have pushed it out & I should have double checked before the reminder Jul 22 20:26:58 ok, I'm not going crazy then Jul 22 20:27:07 I do remember seeing it before as July 22 too Jul 22 20:27:10 no, it looks like I'm the crazy one :) Jul 22 20:27:44 thanks for letting me know! Jul 22 20:29:47 * thiago was poking people to submit when they said "we have until Sept. 1st, why are you in such a hurry?" Jul 22 20:44:12 is there some way to manually trigger a build on OBS when the automatic stuff isn't working? (it's been over 3 hours since I uploaded some files) Jul 22 20:46:13 * CosmoHill thinks that Jones- is up to something Jul 22 20:47:34 Elleo, man osc - theres a trigger command Jul 22 20:47:55 ah of course, didn't think of using the command line client Jul 22 20:48:01 gotten so used to using the web interface Jul 22 20:48:06 thanks Jul 22 20:48:56 np enjoy Jul 22 21:00:59 anyone wanna ban jones- or set the mode to +R Jul 22 21:02:02 CosmoHill, i can put him on ignore :P Jul 22 21:03:01 how can I reset my build.meego.com login password? Jul 22 21:03:17 jedix: it should be the same password you use on meego.com Jul 22 21:03:24 I tried to reset it using my meego.com one, but it didn't work Jul 22 21:04:17 CosmoHill: I reset my meego.com password to try that, but it still says I can't login Jul 22 21:04:27