**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 26 02:59:56 2011 Jul 26 03:15:23 morning Jul 26 05:13:24 anyone know what the audio backend of MeeGo CE 1.2 is? Gstreamer? Jul 26 05:13:44 right Jul 26 05:13:51 and pulseaudio Jul 26 05:13:56 Hrm.. pygst not ported yet? Jul 26 05:14:11 so close.. yet so far >.< Jul 26 05:14:47 hrm.. Jul 26 05:14:53 http://build.meego.com/package/view_file?file=gstreamer-python.spec&package=gstreamer-python&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss&srcmd5=50966dd9c2e3df428cf09f8dd0e65918 Jul 26 05:14:57 is that functional? Jul 26 05:15:00 looks like we have it Jul 26 05:15:30 zypper se gstreamer and zypper se python do not show Jul 26 05:15:37 and importing pygst fails Jul 26 05:15:41 so I'm missing a repo Jul 26 05:15:43 or something Jul 26 05:15:54 should be reachable Jul 26 05:16:18 http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=gstreamer-python&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss Jul 26 05:16:20 what repo is that from Jul 26 05:16:39 do zypper ref first Jul 26 05:17:11 ah, i was wondering what the equivalent of 'update' was that didn't 'update' system libs Jul 26 05:17:27 Repository 'non-oss-1.2-daily' is invalid. Jul 26 05:17:27 [|] Repository type can't be determined. Jul 26 05:17:27 Please check if the URIs defined for this repository are pointing to a valid repository. Jul 26 05:17:27 Skipping repository 'non-oss-1.2-daily' because of the above error. Jul 26 05:17:27 Retrieving repository 'oss-1.2-daily' metadata [error] Jul 26 05:17:28 Repository 'oss-1.2-daily' is invalid. Jul 26 05:17:41 old image? Jul 26 05:17:49 i downloaded it today.. Jul 26 05:17:55 weird Jul 26 05:18:07 it was the 'stable' 1.2 'summer' release or whatever Jul 26 05:18:13 well if you download 1.0 today, that doesn't make it much newer ;) Jul 26 05:18:23 ah Jul 26 05:18:42 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 Jul 26 05:18:45 does that help? Jul 26 05:19:00 no, that's a maemo release Jul 26 05:19:00 :P Jul 26 05:19:00 that's not a meego ce image Jul 26 05:19:06 :) Jul 26 05:19:14 * timoph slow again Jul 26 05:19:28 this is what i applied Jul 26 05:19:29 mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1-mmcblk0p.raw Jul 26 05:19:30 that's not a.... ah dang Jul 26 05:19:47 :D Jul 26 05:19:47 sysinfo-tool --get /device/sw-release-ver Jul 26 05:19:51 is what returns that other info Jul 26 05:20:01 ah, ignore that Jul 26 05:20:02 we don Jul 26 05:20:03 * dm8tbr sets up his espresso machine in the channel and starts handing out free shots to everyone Jul 26 05:20:05 't patch the sw-release-ver Jul 26 05:20:09 dm8tbr: is needed Jul 26 05:20:24 ah, how do I get MeeGo version then? My software needs to load different backends depending on device >.> Jul 26 05:20:34 cat /etc/meego-version Jul 26 05:20:39 ty Jul 26 05:20:48 cat /etc/meego-version Jul 26 05:20:49 cat: /etc/meego-version: No such file or directory Jul 26 05:20:53 hmmh Jul 26 05:20:56 meego-release Jul 26 05:21:00 espresso, people! Jul 26 05:21:01 :P Jul 26 05:21:01 ah. true Jul 26 05:21:08 now we're talkin Jul 26 05:21:09 MeeGo release 1.1.99 (MeeGo) Jul 26 05:21:09 BUILD: mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1 Jul 26 05:21:21 * timoph opens a can of energy drink Jul 26 05:21:27 I knew I wasn't totally daft Jul 26 05:21:34 FatalSaint: check /etc/zypp/repos.d/ and see if the urls still exist Jul 26 05:21:37 sometimes snapshots are removed Jul 26 05:22:02 yep. that's almost a month old so the daily repos might be gone Jul 26 05:22:17 [non-oss-1.2-daily] Jul 26 05:22:18 name=non-oss-1.2-daily Jul 26 05:22:18 failovermethod=priority Jul 26 05:22:18 baseurl=http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4/repos/non-oss/armv7hl/packages/ Jul 26 05:22:18 gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-meego Jul 26 05:22:19 gpgcheck=1 Jul 26 05:22:21 enabled=1 Jul 26 05:22:24 pastebin Jul 26 05:22:25 :P Jul 26 05:22:30 and sure enough Jul 26 05:22:32 repo's gone Jul 26 05:23:01 is there somewhere to keep those updated? Jul 26 05:23:26 btw, nice seeing you again Skeeps :) Jul 26 05:23:30 we shouldn't build long-term on daily... Jul 26 05:23:35 true Jul 26 05:24:02 dm8tbr: the problem is disk space. Currently CE builds don't publish repos Jul 26 05:24:05 or we need to mirror the repository and repoint the config Jul 26 05:24:14 FatalSaint: #meego-arm is probably good for this discussion :) Jul 26 05:24:17 kk Jul 26 05:24:22 that's blocking currently automated testing... Jul 26 05:25:27 * timoph just relalized that we're not talking in #meego-arm :) Jul 26 07:52:11 hey guys Jul 26 07:52:16 o/ Jul 26 07:52:18 I am the happy owner of a bricked N950 :) Jul 26 07:52:25 ...that was fast :D Jul 26 07:52:30 julienf: what did you do? :) Jul 26 07:52:38 order more, and soon you'll have a N950 house Jul 26 07:53:07 vvaltone: I wish.. Don't think one could build a shed with the amount of N950 produced.. Jul 26 07:53:18 dm8tbr: had problems with my emmc being read only Jul 26 07:53:25 so I tried resetting all ways possible Jul 26 07:53:28 didn't work Jul 26 07:53:30 did you use OCF? Jul 26 07:53:36 OCF? Jul 26 07:53:40 one-click flasher Jul 26 07:53:59 so I have not done anything so far Jul 26 07:54:10 btw: this conversation probably belongs in #harmattan Jul 26 07:54:24 dm8tbr: thanks, heading there :) Jul 26 08:11:22 ah Jul 26 08:15:08 meh, I'm getting 'rpm verify failed' by using 'build' for cross-compilation to arm Jul 26 08:19:17 pretty sure I imported the right rpm key also Jul 26 08:49:02 morning folks \o Jul 26 08:53:21 Morning Jul 26 08:54:19 hey khertan1 \o Jul 26 08:54:32 lbt_nur: bpmc seems to be experiencing problems? Jul 26 08:55:15 dm8tbr, khertan1 just said similar Jul 26 08:56:02 'Morning' == 'OBS is broken again'? ;-) Jul 26 08:56:53 in #harmattan :P Jul 26 08:57:18 he should really have posted it here Jul 26 08:57:45 * lcuk trying something relating to bug 13084 Jul 26 08:57:48 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink Jul 26 09:01:42 yeah but before boring everyone here i ask in harmattan Jul 26 09:03:15 yes, idling is exciting Jul 26 09:03:20 khertan1, c-obs is in use for all meego ux'es Jul 26 09:03:29 yes i know Jul 26 09:04:11 do you have your editor set to build for meego netbook? Jul 26 09:04:27 hum ... just got ssl error with harmattan nokia repository Jul 26 09:04:42 lcuk: not yet ... before i build it for harmattan Jul 26 09:05:06 lcuk: then i ll try my custom script to do cross rpm/deb build Jul 26 09:05:41 the main problem i ll got for netbook is that harmattan qt component isn't available Jul 26 09:05:50 so i ll need to rewrite the qml ui Jul 26 09:06:37 khertan1, sigh Jul 26 09:06:48 the joy of qml Jul 26 09:06:59 (not at you, at the compatability inside meego) Jul 26 09:07:02 rewrite for each target / device / version of qt Jul 26 09:07:18 new ui for each day of the week? Jul 26 09:08:02 hum ... desktop entry doesn't seems to work, no icon :( Jul 26 09:17:10 * lcuk installs a whole bunch of things into his n900-ce Jul 26 09:17:55 do you have it on emmc on it? Jul 26 09:18:18 atleast installing on the sdcard is painfully slow :P Jul 26 09:19:21 ah.. seems like obs is back up Jul 26 09:19:45 vvaltone, not really an ussue for me Jul 26 09:20:01 i am happy on device building and have been since n810 Jul 26 09:20:09 yeah, but I was corrupted by the exopc's ssd Jul 26 09:20:11 * javier rushes into updating a pkg Jul 26 09:35:52 frade, which mussorgsky would be best to use on tablet ux? Jul 26 09:35:58 (spelling apologies) Jul 26 09:36:22 lcuk, what is the toolkit of choice in the tablet ux_ Jul 26 09:36:23 ? Jul 26 09:36:31 I woudl assume that the best option is anything in QML Jul 26 09:37:12 besides, I wonder what album art standard is used in meego Jul 26 09:37:18 the "old" or the "new" one :) Jul 26 09:37:23 yeah it would be qml, and meego-ux components Jul 26 09:37:28 (relaxed definition of standard) Jul 26 09:37:29 heh yeah, would have to look Jul 26 09:37:40 lcuk, no big changes there... Jul 26 09:37:41 but having music collection on historically larger devices Jul 26 09:37:53 probably it takes more time to setup an environment that doing the changes itself Jul 26 09:38:15 frade, "standards" http://xkcd.com/927/ Jul 26 09:38:23 meego-ux components are similar to the qt-components? Jul 26 09:38:59 i believe so, but I have not looked in detail Jul 26 09:39:30 achipa, is there such a thing as a compatabiity chart Jul 26 09:39:51 or a flow chart for principle ux development tweaks needed Jul 26 09:40:26 lcuk: working on it, not public yet, sadly Jul 26 09:40:51 achipa, :) warms my heart to know its being worked on Jul 26 09:40:55 that is plenty info for me :) Jul 26 09:41:42 and also it will not include MeeGo UX Jul 26 09:41:50 just the Nok components Jul 26 09:42:11 but of course community submissions in terms of porting/diff help is very welcome Jul 26 09:43:46 http://pastebin.com/rJs4mUAN <<< i didn't understand here why my python module isn't found, could be an aegis problem ? Jul 26 09:44:22 achipa, on a dancefloor, people follow the lead of others, so once a nokia specific tango starts, the rest will join in :) Jul 26 10:00:16 i was talking with mja about open source Jul 26 10:00:33 and how it is only possible to list todos and stuff Jul 26 10:00:46 and no real way to try to assign people to roles Jul 26 10:01:02 but it is comparable to world of warcraft Jul 26 10:01:09 where teams take on challenges Jul 26 10:01:20 and end up being assigned roles within that team Jul 26 10:01:34 MeeGo really is a MMORPG Jul 26 10:02:51 I like it Jul 26 10:12:23 lcuk, what's the final boss?-) Jul 26 10:13:03 vvaltone, in this instance OBS comes close Jul 26 10:13:14 once you get to lvl70 mage and pass that Jul 26 10:13:28 you have to workup MeeGo-Apps so that it lights the way for others Jul 26 10:14:32 hum ... so waiting COBS build something is like waiting monster to repop ? :) Jul 26 10:14:43 yes! Jul 26 10:15:30 slow repop ! Jul 26 10:16:08 these aegis introduce change in way to package python apps Jul 26 10:16:15 s/these/that Jul 26 10:17:35 http://www.oinc.net/knownspace/enc/display.php?2355 Jul 26 10:17:57 Louis Wu and Nessus travel on a ship called Aegis Jul 26 10:18:09 backstory for mmorpg ;) Jul 26 10:18:31 it is a General Products #4 hull Jul 26 10:18:35 very secure Jul 26 10:20:51 lcuk: well i currently have the feeling that aegis is the ship that takes my package once it has finished building in obs and travels to obs-nirvana with it Jul 26 10:21:40 btw. did actually anyone manage to get a package out of obs with a valid aegis application id? Jul 26 10:22:47 rcg, hmm so you added manifest and stuff? Jul 26 10:23:15 i saw your post on the other island server Jul 26 10:23:24 (island of harmattan is a newly opened instance :P) Jul 26 10:23:46 lcuk: yeah.. with QtSDK and scratchbox it builds fine and gets its id Jul 26 10:23:52 from my tries i figure that the dpkg-gencontrol used in e.g. scratchbox or that ships with QtSDK is modified so that it picks up *.aegis files Jul 26 10:24:06 i would imagine the same Jul 26 10:24:20 actually verifying this for the QtSDK right now.. but for scratchbox that definately is the case Jul 26 10:24:22 since this is nokia specific right now lets see Jul 26 10:24:38 perhaps because you have added specific aegis items filing a real bug report would help Jul 26 10:26:02 so i added "aegis-deb-util --add-manifest --manifest=debian/$(APPNAME).aegis ../$(APPNAME)_*_armel.deb --add-digsigsums=/opt/$(APPNAME)/bin/$(APPNAME) --verbose" to the end of binary-arch: build install in my rules file and now every time the packge seems to be stuck in the building step Jul 26 10:26:10 lcuk: i don't think you quite understand how brilliant your random little idea there was... there's so much opportunity in that statement ;) Jul 26 10:26:18 though, the building log claims that the build finished Jul 26 10:26:32 leinir, I have always considered Open Source community involvement to be it Jul 26 10:26:39 that is not the first time I word it like that Jul 26 10:27:08 lcuk: yeah.. might be worth filing a bug.. just want to verify its not me messing things up before i file it ;) Jul 26 10:27:15 leinir, :: Jul 26 10:27:16 #MeeGo is an awesome #Linux based #MMORPG where you level up by submitting code patches and conquering the OBS machine! http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/93414143234805760 Jul 26 10:27:23 anyway, what would be the appropriate place to file such a bug? Jul 26 10:27:26 lcuk: Error: "MeeGo" is not a valid command. Jul 26 10:27:46 lcuk: *giggles* :D Jul 26 10:27:47 rcg, well you have used your knowledge to try and use aegis correctly Jul 26 10:28:08 therefore having you helping the admins by working through a bug would be good Jul 26 10:28:23 (rather than most people spouting random aegis stuff without real understanding Jul 26 10:28:45 lcuk: well, i don't like using that term, because it's been washed out so much lately... but gamification is what i meant - right now there's only real world benefits in there, but people, you know... like badges and points ;) Jul 26 10:28:57 (*giggles* only real world benefits ;) ) Jul 26 10:29:01 leinir, :D Jul 26 10:29:43 achievement unlocked: Bug Slayer, resolved 10 bugs Jul 26 10:29:52 exactly ;) Jul 26 10:29:52 achievement unlocked: Bug Doctor, triaged 5 bugs Jul 26 10:30:29 leinir http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ Jul 26 10:30:31 achievement unlocked: Wizard, used aegis correctly in a package Jul 26 10:30:57 leinir, feel free to writeup a set of joking awards Jul 26 10:31:07 if you do it on wiki page I bet people would add their own Jul 26 10:31:18 from laughter comes ideas Jul 26 10:31:32 lcuk: *giggles* i'm not really joking here, though, i really think there's some serious potential in it :) Yes, it's lulz, and that's exactly why it makes sense to do it :D Jul 26 10:36:08 leinir, then start the page Jul 26 10:36:22 add this conversation as the motivation/notes part Jul 26 10:36:28 Totally :) Jul 26 10:37:41 * leinir ponders on where to put it... Jul 26 10:38:47 MeeGoVerse Jul 26 10:38:57 Ha, good thinking ;) Jul 26 10:39:00 leinir, on the main page of the wiki :P Jul 26 10:44:16 hrm, I have nokia's meego running in scratchbox/xephyr, how do I get more apps? is there some repos somewhere that allow me to get stuff? Jul 26 10:44:42 #harmattan :) Jul 26 10:44:42 Stskeeps: Error: "harmattan" is not a valid command. Jul 26 10:46:11 Stskeeps: right :( Jul 26 10:47:04 #the-boss-needs-to-stop-doing-the-valid-command-checking-in-this-channel Jul 26 10:47:04 lcuk: Error: "the-boss-needs-to-stop-doing-the-valid-command-checking-in-this-channel" is not a valid command. Jul 26 10:47:28 using a different command-character might help Jul 26 10:47:31 lbt & Jul 26 10:49:28 #killall the-boss Jul 26 10:49:31 khertan1: Error: "killall" is not a valid command. Jul 26 10:49:34 :) Jul 26 10:53:46 lcuk, heh, Achievements for Bugzilla ;P Jul 26 10:56:27 fastest growing and exciting organisations. Ideally you should have been in a senior role, and team leading experience would be a bonus. Jul 26 10:56:27 Tasks Include: Jul 26 10:56:27 Perform detailed analysis and design activities striving to improve business processes Jul 26 10:56:27 Lead a team of 4 Developers Jul 26 10:56:27 To ensure the departments assigned are happy with the working relationship and software delivered Jul 26 10:56:28 To ensure standards and procedures are adhered to and documentation is maintained Jul 26 10:56:30 To develop high performance generic infrastructure for all major developments and to ensure that duplication of effort is minimised Jul 26 10:56:33 To assist with the development and maintenance of all internal system Jul 26 10:56:35 To ensure high availability of all systems by ensuring all software is tested to a high degree Jul 26 10:56:37 To ensure security is always maintained within sensitive areas of the system and can be modified by staff with appropriate permissions Jul 26 10:56:40 To ensure that all issues are reported and dealt with in a timely fashion Jul 26 10:56:42 :O gah paste error Jul 26 11:09:16 there we go :) Jul 26 11:09:24 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGoVerse <-- anybody wanna help? ;) Jul 26 11:14:17 leinir, :D Jul 26 11:14:26 * lcuk afk eating lunch and reading chapter of Niven book Jul 26 11:14:27 lcuk: absolutely *giggles* :) Jul 26 11:15:37 Master of All Trades: Resolved bugs in all categories ;P Jul 26 11:16:06 vvaltone: *giggles* Good one, add it! :) Jul 26 11:16:56 didn't realize I was logged in Jul 26 11:29:43 hi all. I've been absent for a while but... is meego still alive? Jul 26 11:30:13 hirabayashitaro, very muchly so Jul 26 11:30:20 * lcuk is afk though Jul 26 11:30:33 because I was looking to plans for 1.3 Jul 26 11:30:41 and noticed that there are no plans Jul 26 11:30:58 at least here Jul 26 11:30:59 http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.3 Jul 26 11:31:17 nothing that could be compared with 1.2 Jul 26 11:31:31 bug/feature plans ecc... Jul 26 11:31:59 that's why it's a wiki, you can add them there ;) Jul 26 11:32:41 lcuk: jfyi i filed a bug about the aegis online builder issues: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21885 Jul 26 11:32:44 Bug 21885 nor, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, Aegis manifests are not correctly handled/created by the builder. Jul 26 11:33:53 well, I can only hope in a better future Jul 26 11:34:31 yes, meego has moved to only doing releases, not actual features, the management has taken over ;P Jul 26 11:43:17 hirabayashitaro, hm Jul 26 11:43:38 there are certainly things expected for 1.3, latest qt and wayland being worked on now for instance Jul 26 11:47:09 lcuk: The problem is that I'm not understanding the target of meego. Is it the end user? is it nokia? are other producers? Jul 26 11:47:40 Yes ;) Jul 26 11:48:41 hirabayashitaro, Nokia is but one manufacturer, Intel have the MeeGo-UX out and there are a growing set of devices which are using meego (see formeego.com site) Jul 26 11:48:52 hirabayashitaro, but for end users I agree Jul 26 11:49:26 having the open meego.com instances unable to play "normal" music and video files is to me a blocker from takeup Jul 26 11:49:44 This is "… for MeeGo". A community (hardware adaptation) place for MeeGo. Coming soon! Jul 26 11:50:19 dm8tbr, did I get the link correct? Jul 26 11:50:45 huh? Jul 26 11:50:49 hirabayashitaro, the formeego site hosts images built using meego for the various pieces of hardware out there Jul 26 11:50:52 ah yes Jul 26 11:51:05 images.formeego.org Jul 26 11:51:09 I'm sorry to say it in a so direct way, but meego is entirely a big coming soon project Jul 26 11:51:29 hirabayashitaro, say it in a direct way Jul 26 11:52:01 meego tries to be a linux base for large scale corporate products. full stop Jul 26 11:52:22 I see all your points Jul 26 11:52:43 but meego to grow has to be based on someone's work Jul 26 11:52:44 a real question about something like mp3 Jul 26 11:53:00 how come ubuntu or debian or other linux distributions can include support for them Jul 26 11:53:07 but in meego it is seemingly not possible Jul 26 11:53:49 lcuk: for exactly that reason. patented (wherever in the world) technology is to be licensed by the company making the actual product Jul 26 11:54:14 lcuk: how's canonical doing? Jul 26 11:54:33 lcuk: I agree though that outside the corporate thing meego should be also the 'community thing' (that's what others and I'm fighting for). Jul 26 11:55:00 I am asking that question which comes up when first testing Jul 26 11:55:02 meego core needs to be as pure as possible though Jul 26 11:55:22 lcuk sure debian supports them in main? Jul 26 11:55:37 ubuntu usually doesn't give a shit Jul 26 11:55:40 pebcak, no I am not and gladly shown/told otherwise Jul 26 11:55:53 but I bet it's in non-free or contrib in debian Jul 26 11:56:00 and it's not lame Jul 26 11:56:05 lame isn't included at all Jul 26 11:56:06 pebcak: as far as I know debian do not Jul 26 11:56:08 it's libmad Jul 26 11:56:23 but I got the .ogv video from meego n900-ce and put it onto meego harmattan Jul 26 11:56:29 and harmattan will not play the video Jul 26 11:56:48 (to flip the problem on its head) Jul 26 11:57:10 lcuk: I do not get the problem, you cannot simply use the codecs that ubuntu uses Jul 26 11:57:23 yes, a corporate entity may decide to not be meego compliant. and if they are not nokia then they won't be able to label it meego. Jul 26 11:57:38 hirabayashitaro http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libmad0 Jul 26 11:57:53 what is libmad? Jul 26 11:58:19 hirabayashitaro, I know we cannot use the same codecs, but the question from people is not about codecs, it is "why won't my music play" Jul 26 11:58:28 and I do understand the issues Jul 26 11:58:43 lcuk: anyway my point is different Jul 26 11:59:07 lcuk a free mp3 audio implementation Jul 26 11:59:17 pebcak, submit one to core Jul 26 11:59:19 what I want to say is that if you point to hardware producers you're probably doing good Jul 26 11:59:35 but you don't have to expect something from the community Jul 26 11:59:44 because you're not offering any feedback to them Jul 26 12:00:08 I personally filed some bugs that has been at least partially ignored Jul 26 12:00:24 lcuk libmad is a free mp3 audio implementation, you asked what it is Jul 26 12:00:47 ahh pebcak Jul 26 12:01:50 hirabayashitaro, ignored for what reason? difficulty of curing or that the wrong person was assigned to them? Jul 26 12:02:44 lcuk: I think it is simply lack of workers Jul 26 12:02:45 hirabayashitaro: yes, the community needs to gain a stronger standing, but that will not come by itself Jul 26 12:03:16 that might be because nokia has left quite a vacuum in many areas Jul 26 12:03:23 hirabayashitaro, then how do we resolve this, do we petition the TSG to try to assign more to areas Jul 26 12:03:36 and if doing so, how do we identify areas requiring more Jul 26 12:03:55 fixing connman needs more people :p Jul 26 12:03:58 are there decent bugzilla reports available which may highlight and give aim to folks Jul 26 12:04:05 andre__, && Jul 26 12:04:32 berndhs connman has more activity every day than other areas around meego Jul 26 12:04:52 dm8tbr: I agree about nokia Jul 26 12:04:57 lcuk: well then, perhaps it needs fewer people but different ones Jul 26 12:05:01 I follow their mailing list and they even get patches Jul 26 12:05:29 lcuk, what kind of reports? Jul 26 12:05:41 andre__, identification of problem areas Jul 26 12:05:46 where most bugs and activity is Jul 26 12:06:02 so that the workforce could be assigned to best effect Jul 26 12:06:37 what workforce? Jul 26 12:07:59 "workforce" sounds like there are hundreds of them :) Jul 26 12:08:02 vvaltone, the people working on components and pieces around meego Jul 26 12:08:30 well a good developer has strength of 10 men ;) Jul 26 12:09:03 lcuk, sounds a bit like https://qa-dashboard.meego.com/ . I wonder why that page has still a login. Jul 26 12:09:13 So how will you coerce the workforce into complying?-) Jul 26 12:09:32 vvaltone, well the TSG needs prodding Jul 26 12:09:43 the TSG we haven't heard from in ages.. Jul 26 12:09:43 :P Jul 26 12:09:52 with real stats and figures about where concentrated effort should occur Jul 26 12:09:52 maybe the workforce just needs reshuffling, like they do in sports teams, trading managers and players Jul 26 12:09:54 Stskeeps, yes Jul 26 12:10:11 TSG is having long meetings with Elvis I think Jul 26 12:10:12 berndhs, indeed Jul 26 12:10:19 I think the Barbarian route of stealing developers would work better Jul 26 12:10:28 invading one of the other embedded projects Jul 26 12:10:47 hey, I'm available too Jul 26 12:10:54 we have to start somewhere Jul 26 12:11:06 and giving tsg some input might re-motivate that area Jul 26 12:11:21 looks like my N900 spontaneously rebooted Jul 26 12:11:32 you could always "buy" devs instead of stealing... :P Jul 26 12:11:35 I worked around bug 13084 this morning Jul 26 12:11:38 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink Jul 26 12:11:39 i would prefer a real fix Jul 26 12:11:40 ! Jul 26 12:11:45 * lcuk hasn't the skills Jul 26 12:11:52 but someone inside intel or even Nokia does Jul 26 12:11:57 since it effects harmattan too Jul 26 12:12:01 lcuk: and the owner of the component has left to intel and hence not likely to work on it Jul 26 12:12:04 :P Jul 26 12:12:06 (i think) Jul 26 12:12:17 well if he is in intel Jul 26 12:12:20 vsync issues huh Jul 26 12:12:24 we should get him working on it for us Jul 26 12:12:24 they don't touch n900 Jul 26 12:12:25 : Jul 26 12:12:25 P Jul 26 12:12:50 lcuk, demonstrate it happening on a exopc Jul 26 12:12:57 I work around linux Jul 26 12:13:02 why would anyone commercial work on n900 ? Jul 26 12:13:04 but if I notice a bug in windows I help Jul 26 12:13:24 berndhs, performance optimisation reasons Jul 26 12:13:42 well if they translate to current and future devices, yes Jul 26 12:13:43 learning how to handle and create a usable ux in 600mhz Jul 26 12:13:51 improves battery life at 2ghz Jul 26 12:14:06 but they are just as likely to work on future devices directly Jul 26 12:14:17 n900 is a case in point... is the only device actually running meego... it should be taken in maximum respect isn't it? Jul 26 12:14:18 doesn't it make sense to use opengl for video output instead of xv? Jul 26 12:14:22 and Nokia could have n900 bugs fixed for harmattan sake Jul 26 12:14:29 vvaltone, really? Jul 26 12:14:34 If everyone were compelled to do all dev work targetting (and indeed compiling on) 2 year old hardware, things would be a _lot_ better. Jul 26 12:14:37 lcuk, well, yes Jul 26 12:14:47 opengl has to use pixel shaders to translate the 2d YUV video into 2d RGB video Jul 26 12:14:53 then send it over the data bus Jul 26 12:14:55 afaik none of the embedded hardware support video overlays Jul 26 12:14:58 roughly 20% more data Jul 26 12:15:03 or do they? Jul 26 12:15:08 and the graphics chip at the end takes YUV natively Jul 26 12:15:24 well the n900 and n950 appear to Jul 26 12:15:34 device manufacturers want to sell their new devices, not make their old ones better Jul 26 12:15:35 and my meego ideapad does Jul 26 12:15:46 berndhs, of course Jul 26 12:15:49 I wonder if anyone's thought up a xv system for wayland Jul 26 12:15:50