**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 30 02:59:56 2011 Jul 30 03:01:16 anyone in here have issues with the I. i Jul 30 03:01:52 initial charge of the N950? Jul 30 03:04:45 ~flatbatrecover Jul 30 03:04:47 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Jul 30 03:05:48 N950... Jul 30 03:06:43 Argh Jul 30 03:06:46 I can't read Jul 30 03:06:51 Thought I was in another channel Jul 30 03:07:18 Removing the battery in that case is more annoying :) Jul 30 03:07:19 Heh, it's OK. Jul 30 03:09:14 whichi version of meego i have to download to install on my n900? Jul 30 03:23:55 doesn't those N950 have their own elitist channel/webpage/wiki/website/etc somewhere? Where they splurge in on their egos with owning N950? ;) Jul 30 03:24:19 s/N950 have/N950 owners have/ Jul 30 03:24:19 hatake_kakashi meant: doesn't those N950 owners have their own elitist channel/webpage/wiki/website/etc somewhere? Where they splurge in on their egos with owning N950? ;) Jul 30 08:42:06 I wanted to know is gtk3 avaialbe in meego? Jul 30 08:43:33 nt yet Jul 30 08:49:49 how did you login to the meego wiki Jul 30 08:49:51 ? Jul 30 08:50:55 log in and out and in again on meego.com Jul 30 08:51:20 oh.... thx Jul 30 08:51:30 does it s required to do it twice ? Jul 30 08:52:02 no, you should be able to log in afterwards Jul 30 08:52:04 it's a really odd bug Jul 30 08:52:15 but at least we have single signon unlike maemo.org :P Jul 30 08:52:21 indeed ... after second logout login it s works ;) Jul 30 08:52:45 Stskeeps, yeah we have single signon ... but it s works better without on maemo :) Jul 30 09:03:55 is gtk3 avaialbe in meego? Jul 30 09:04:34 I want an screen shot of a gtk3 based program in my presentation Jul 30 09:05:46 aliva: there is some work ongoing to inegrate it for meego 1.3 Jul 30 09:10:26 Stskeeps: having Gtk means that without change I can run my program in my phone? Jul 30 09:11:07 you can't assume gtk will be there, only qt Jul 30 09:14:45 Stskeeps: you mean won't be avialbe in phones (only for netbooks?) Jul 30 09:15:19 correct, it's only a platform api, not a meego api Jul 30 09:15:26 so in future gtk might even not be there at all Jul 30 09:39:23 Stskeeps: is there any link or something describe these you said? (I found noting) Jul 30 09:40:05 aliva: look for compliance documents Jul 30 09:46:20 You mean this? https://meego.com/about/compliance Jul 30 09:47:03 yeah, http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/Compliance too Jul 30 09:47:55 thanks Jul 30 10:01:55 Ok. Any Qt gurus still alive? (not asleep?) Jul 30 10:07:14 Ok. Anyone knows why QMainWindow containing QWidget would not update after I draw a bitmap in that QWidget in paint()? Jul 30 10:07:23 The QWidget stays black. Jul 30 10:15:16 anyone knows what "excluded" package state in OBS means ? Jul 30 10:17:31 excluded: The package build has been disabled in package build description (for example in the .spec file) or does not provide a matching build description for the target. Jul 30 10:17:46 those are all explained in monitor tab Jul 30 10:17:49 for example ExclusiveArch: Jul 30 10:30:49 this is the package: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=espeak&project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan Jul 30 10:31:16 hmm, does the COBS Harmattan support spec files ? :) Jul 30 10:31:28 no.. Jul 30 10:31:28 :P Jul 30 10:31:36 damn :D Jul 30 10:31:54 it's debian packaging Jul 30 10:32:29 oh, so it's like Maemo packagebuilder then ? :) Jul 30 10:32:59 yeah.. Jul 30 10:33:15 I secretly hoped I'll just add and configure the package in it would somehow generate packages for all the targets :) Jul 30 10:33:46 yes, well, please shoot the people that thought not adding rpm compatibility for harmattan was a good idea Jul 30 10:33:46 rpms for DE, etc. :) Jul 30 10:34:55 well, yeah, it quite sucks Jul 30 10:35:45 looksm like I'll have to steal quite a few packages from Debian instead of using the working RPM based ones Jul 30 10:35:55 and of course double-package my stuff Jul 30 10:49:53 seriously is meego obs down again? Jul 30 10:50:06 looks like it Jul 30 10:50:18 MeeGo OBS: Open Monday-Friday Jul 30 10:50:34 how do they expect people to work like this Jul 30 10:50:58 i mean weekend is the nicest time to boostrap Jul 30 10:51:16 meego-releases@ Jul 30 10:53:09 I guess we should do an ML post. we need some kind of warning on this Jul 30 10:54:02 yeah.. Jul 30 10:55:24 PROBLEM build.meego.com HTTP CRITICAL CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds Sat Jul 30 10:04:22 UTC 2011 Jul 30 10:55:30 jftr Jul 30 10:57:04 arfoll: temporary(!) bot in #meego-dashboard Jul 30 10:57:27 it doesn't report everything my icinga sees yet Jul 30 10:57:58 dm8tbr, sorry what's meego-dashboard? Jul 30 10:58:25 and if it's temporary why isn't there an ML post with a warning? Jul 30 10:59:43 arfoll: this is a _private_ thing by me that is not ready yet Jul 30 11:00:00 arfoll: I got fed up by OBS being down every given weekend and beyond Jul 30 11:00:25 I should move it to ##meego-dashboard to signify it's non-official Jul 30 11:00:43 arfoll: once I get notifications sorted like I want to I might make a ml posting Jul 30 11:00:54 dm8tbr, sounds like a cool idea Jul 30 11:01:01 graphs! Jul 30 11:02:05 Stskeeps: send patches :) Jul 30 11:07:10 * lbt would like someone else to follow up on the thread I started on packaging/it last week. Three weekends in a row. If only mcfrisk was about to complain from an official customer point of view. Jul 30 11:08:24 lbt, what thread was it? Jul 30 11:08:28 * dm8tbr can comment from an informal customer perspective. Jul 30 11:08:44 I'm running two internal OBS instances for Tieto Jul 30 11:08:47 [meego-packaging] Main OBS down (again) Jul 30 11:08:47 i figured my post on meego-dev might catch more attention than meego-it Jul 30 11:10:31 lbt, so it's now the 3rd weekend in a row? Jul 30 11:10:40 yes... replying Jul 30 11:11:56 * dm8tbr subscribes to more lists from his tieto address Jul 30 11:12:31 * lbt waits to see if dm8tbr and Stskeeps have anything to talk about... Jul 30 11:13:17 lbt: I poked carsten Jul 30 11:13:31 it would be nice to show this is a v.important issue on the ML Jul 30 11:14:01 lbt, can't believe you got no response after that post last week Jul 30 11:14:03 arfoll: one nice thing about having so many ml is that any important messages are diluted wonderfully.... Jul 30 11:14:20 do we mail packaging? dev? it? Jul 30 11:14:24 lbt, don't get me started on the ml dilution Jul 30 11:14:54 maybe we should have a 1 ml per person policy ;) Jul 30 11:15:05 yeah! Jul 30 11:15:06 isn't that called twitter? Jul 30 11:15:15 just like any other big organisation ;) Jul 30 11:15:38 anyhow... work ... bbl8r Jul 30 11:15:41 morning chaps \p Jul 30 11:15:43 \o Jul 30 11:15:46 o/ Jul 30 11:16:09 do we have a page showing all the meegosphere channels? Jul 30 11:16:26 lbt, I'm not following mailing lists, sorry. If main obs down, isn't it like bug? Jul 30 11:16:27 and can we expand the irc stats to include them Jul 30 11:16:43 mcfrisk: yeah ... this is the 3rd weekend running Jul 30 11:16:58 that would be good, on meego.com the list is incomplete Jul 30 11:20:11 lbt: bug 22134, hth Jul 30 11:20:14 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22134 maj, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, Main meego obs down Jul 30 11:33:39 lbt who during the week can we contact (and even now) who does have access? Jul 30 11:33:53 do we have anyone here in irc to pingle besides you and niels Jul 30 11:34:05 they don't have access to core obs Jul 30 11:34:22 they probably also have to kick people Jul 30 11:34:52 The only people I know are Anas and Adam. Neither are typically on irc very often. They both have root access. Jul 30 11:38:58 wazd, style question, which font are you happiest using? Jul 30 11:39:11 Nokia sans, Nokia Pure, droid or other Jul 30 11:41:03 In RAID5, do all the drives have to be the same size? Jul 30 11:41:43 CosmoHill: no ... but the smallest one drives how much is used Jul 30 11:42:17 I was thinking of going for 3 x 1TB and adding 2TB discs when they become cheaper Jul 30 11:44:01 morning Jul 30 11:44:05 berndhs, \o Jul 30 11:44:26 CosmoHill, will that 3x1T give you 3t storage? Jul 30 11:44:39 no 1T storage Jul 30 11:44:44 it will give me 2TB in RAID 5 Jul 30 11:44:55 sorry, should have said RAID5 Jul 30 11:45:07 hey berndhs and dm8tbr Jul 30 11:45:09 CosmoHill: only once you have all disks at 2T Jul 30 11:45:22 CosmoHill, how much capacity do you have presently? Jul 30 11:45:26 I thought raid 5 was the number of drives - 1 Jul 30 11:45:36 lcuk: 500GB ( 2 x 500GB in RAID1) Jul 30 11:45:36 CosmoHill: it is Jul 30 11:46:18 hmm Jul 30 11:46:54 * lcuk stops asking questions Jul 30 11:46:57 raid5 uses N+1 drives, N for data and 1 for parity Jul 30 11:47:23 except that the parity is rotated over all drives Jul 30 11:47:35 ah, right Jul 30 11:48:05 can we use this knowledge to ensure OBS maintains parity across all 7 days of the week? Jul 30 11:48:25 only if drive failure was the problem :) Jul 30 11:48:31 lcuk: for a production server I'd favour RAID 6 with mixed drives Jul 30 11:49:13 my RAID 1 is made up of two drives bought 1 year apart Jul 30 11:49:20 for a production server I would favour leaving it up to the experts Jul 30 11:49:26 not to sure how I converted it from 1 x 500GB to 2 x 500GB in RAID1 Jul 30 11:49:29 * lcuk knows nothing of server stuff Jul 30 11:49:41 for a production server I would use mirrored drives, hang the expense Jul 30 11:49:46 lcuk: me neither but I'm the university's HPC expert :/ Jul 30 11:49:53 lol Jul 30 11:51:05 production servers going down cause millions of $$ in lost work hours, and people worry about $500 for some extra drives ? Jul 30 11:54:51 http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=488544#post488544 Jul 30 11:55:50 thanks for your help :) Jul 30 11:59:32 raid5 is really intended for larger numbers of drives Jul 30 11:59:52 the reason behind RAID5 is so I can easily add mroe Jul 30 11:59:59 right Jul 30 12:01:10 kinda funny to think that I can get 6TB for the same price I paid for the 1TB the server current has (un-RAID space) Jul 30 12:04:29 * lcuk . o O ( I remember when hard disks were considered big when they had n<100 MBs ) Jul 30 12:05:10 ##meego-dashboard is now open, don't expect too much as this is a quick and dirty setup. still chances are you'll find out about possible outages in meego and formeego related services Jul 30 12:05:11 dm8tbr: Error: "#meego-dashboard" is not a valid command. Jul 30 12:08:44 #moo Jul 30 12:08:45 CosmoHill: Error: "moo" is not a valid command. Jul 30 12:09:21 wow it's back up like magic Jul 30 12:12:16 lardman, a hypothosis. i have a cluster of machines connected on the network. listening for a "Say Cheese!" event. Jul 30 12:12:28 when this message comes over the network Jul 30 12:12:40 yep, both api.meego.com and build.meego.com seem back in service http wise Jul 30 12:12:49 they should each display a QRCode with their device name and ip address Jul 30 12:13:00 then a photo can be taken Jul 30 12:13:04 from the first device Jul 30 12:13:21 can mbarcode identify all the qrcodes in a single photograph? Jul 30 12:14:52 is there mbarcode for harmattan now? Jul 30 12:30:06 lcuk: mBarcode not currently, but photoanalyser will allow multiple barcodes per image to be returned Jul 30 12:32:24 you may run into resolution and focus issues with multiple barcodes on multiple devices though Jul 30 12:32:38 might be easier to go with a larger pattern that can be resolved more easily Jul 30 12:32:43 lardman, is photoanalyser the app that will evolve from mbarcode? Jul 30 12:33:04 lardman, qrcode with limited information (ie low bitcount) will be readable quite easily Jul 30 12:33:21 just because you *can* use qrcodes to store book chaptes does not mean you have to Jul 30 12:33:27 it waits for image files to appear (e.g. from the camera) then runs plugins on the images - currently the only plugin is barcode analysis, but one could add other things like text parsing, etc. Jul 30 12:33:41 cool Jul 30 12:33:42 the idea is then to emit a dbus message from whichever plugins find something, which other apps can handle Jul 30 12:34:04 mbarcode will evolve into mbarcode-lite, which just waits for the decoded data and will handle the contents as previously Jul 30 12:34:09 well on the n9 those identifications could be added to the message wall Jul 30 12:34:22 yes, cool idea Jul 30 12:35:34 lardman, http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_191242._maemo.scr.png ;) Jul 30 12:35:40 its been in mind for a while :P Jul 30 12:36:15 * lardman wonders about the context of that conversation :D Jul 30 12:36:24 lol Jul 30 12:36:30 grep logs for it Jul 30 12:37:00 bit scared to do that ;) Jul 30 12:37:47 lardman, just checking for it now Jul 30 12:38:56 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-12-01.log.html#t2009-12-01T21:13:20 Jul 30 12:38:57 lol Jul 30 12:39:01 you and qwerty Jul 30 12:39:58 :) Jul 30 12:40:02 the good old days Jul 30 12:41:31 lardman, were they? :P Jul 30 12:41:58 well they were old at least ;) Jul 30 12:42:42 you are older now Jul 30 12:43:06 i tried to get Fin to help me with coding Jul 30 12:43:23 but he did not seem to understand C code at all Jul 30 12:43:32 just gurgled and wanted his bottle Jul 30 12:43:47 start 'em young! Jul 30 12:45:03 lardman, eldest is waiting to teach him how to ride bike Jul 30 12:46:04 lardman, how long until yours arrives? Jul 30 12:47:51 ~2 weeks until expected splashdown date Jul 30 12:51:08 oooh Jul 30 12:51:15 do you have everything ready? Jul 30 12:51:22 I believe so..... Jul 30 12:51:31 lol Jul 30 12:51:32 other than myself that is! :) Jul 30 12:54:11 hmm, If I start off with 3 x 1TB, I could had another 1TB and a 2TB, and have 2 x 1TB RAID 0 twice + 1 x 2TB and then combine them to have 3 x 2TB RAID5 Jul 30 12:55:15 more complex raid == more problems. KISS Jul 30 12:55:58 I really should start virtualbox and learn how to do this stuff Jul 30 12:56:19 consider the time taken for managing the complex disk array, versus the anticipated downtime Jul 30 12:57:11 assuming this is all your personal time, and you will live for approx. 700,000 hours Jul 30 12:58:19 berndhs, you either real young or where you live has a real high left expectancy Jul 30 12:58:34 s/left/life Jul 30 12:58:48 not another 700,000, that's the grand total Jul 30 12:59:04 ah ok ;-) Jul 30 12:59:22 there is not a moment to lose :) Jul 30 12:59:52 we don't live long, do we Jul 30 13:00:12 probably best that way Jul 30 13:00:57 if we could stay mid-30s for longer, it would help a lot Jul 30 13:01:22 meh, mid 30s? who would want to be THAT old Jul 30 13:01:32 ha, you young ones Jul 30 13:18:14 I'm not sure mid-30's was my best time Jul 30 13:19:56 well, mid-30's you've typically made most mistakes once Jul 30 14:16:41 is there any API doc of the Qt Components? there is a list of the Meego-ux-components here http://wiki.meego.com/Components_API_Snapshot Jul 30 14:25:48 QTCOMPONENTS-72 in bugreports.qt.nokia.com Jul 30 14:45:42 meego-ux-components does not build a -devel package any longer ? Jul 30 15:07:09 OBS feels like playing Civilisation Jul 30 15:07:26 * SpeedEvil builds a railway. Jul 30 15:07:52 M4rtinK2: strangely addictive? Jul 30 15:08:06 you might need debhelper, pottery and ritual burial to build Cairo Jul 30 15:08:24 well, yes :) Jul 30 15:08:49 ah, the communism governance model.. Jul 30 15:08:49 :P Jul 30 15:09:05 I find it quite fun to watch how to dependencies connect or new ones are discovered :) Jul 30 15:09:20 SpeedEvil: openttd? Jul 30 15:34:04 the COBS status page says that "signer" is dead - is this good, bad or normal ? :) Jul 30 15:35:40 yes Jul 30 15:36:35 well its probably not good Jul 30 15:36:45 could be bad and normal though Jul 30 15:37:00 i thought cobs didn't sign pkgs so wouldnt surprise me that the signer isn't running... Jul 30 15:37:11 i think so too Jul 30 15:37:42 it doesnt seem to sign any of my packages Jul 30 15:40:40 also, is it normal that packages take some time to realise that the dependencies they are waiting for have become available ? Jul 30 15:41:02 yes\\ Jul 30 15:41:22 ok then, so no need to worry :) Jul 30 15:41:49 Hi, I'm trying to recompile pulseaudio -- I have a VM (gui doesn't work) that I want to compile packages under. But since the gui doesn't start, dbus doesn't start and configure bombs due to it. Jul 30 15:41:54 Any way around that? Jul 30 15:42:11 configure bombs because dbus isn't running? Jul 30 15:42:23 yes Jul 30 15:42:28 OBS doesn't have dbus running either.. so something sounds werid Jul 30 15:42:33 o.O Jul 30 15:42:35 nasa01: please show us the line configure bombs at Jul 30 15:43:00 Sure, let me bring it up Jul 30 15:51:55 Stskeeps, I actually misspoke -- I have two errors (No package 'speexdsp' found) and a warning in my config.log file stating "You do not have DBUS support enabled..." (plus a whole paragraph following that about how it should be enabled) Jul 30 15:52:28 BTW: speexdsp lib is installed. Jul 30 15:52:30 enabling support != running the daemon Jul 30 15:52:34 maybe you don't have the dependancies? Jul 30 15:52:43 nasa01: check what config.log says about the detection of that lib Jul 30 15:52:56 it is telling you that it isn't installed because the checking failed Jul 30 15:53:12 either some files are missing (did you remember to install the -devel package?) or the compilation failed for some reason Jul 30 15:54:59 there is no speexdsp program/lib in the repos (from download.meego.com) and I have all the speex files installed Jul 30 15:55:45 what does config.log say about the detection? Jul 30 15:55:50 and libspeexdsp.so.1 is installed at /usr/lib/libspeexdsp.so.1 Jul 30 15:56:16 and config.log? Jul 30 15:56:37 grepping it right now Jul 30 15:57:09 open it in less, search for the same line that it output in the console telling you that the package wasn't found Jul 30 15:57:17 the look around it (above and below) for the test that failed Jul 30 15:58:15 Package speexdsp was not found in the pkg-config search path. Jul 30 15:58:33 Perhaps you should add the directory containing `speexdsp.pc' Jul 30 15:58:56 there you go Jul 30 15:58:59 where's that file? Jul 30 15:59:44 I googled for speexdsp and I searched the repos for it -- but I didn't see a package that provided that Jul 30 16:00:53 hi from my hammac Jul 30 16:01:02 Given that it had to be compiled before -- I figured I must have missed some other error (which led to looking at DBUS) Jul 30 16:02:03 nasa01: speexdsp might provide an .in file that is generated when installing Jul 30 16:02:11 nasa01: anyway, pulseaudio seems to require that file Jul 30 16:02:37 nasa01: so you have two options: 1) provide that file so PA is satisfied; 2) modify PA's configure so the file isn't necessray Jul 30 16:07:34 thiago, I'm looking at option 1... Jul 30 16:14:29 thunder Jul 30 16:14:31 thunder Jul 30 16:14:37 thundercats Jul 30 16:14:41 Hoooooooooooooooooooo Jul 30 16:14:42 http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/yahoo-tv/thundercats-roar-back-life-cartoon-network-200914556.html Jul 30 16:15:01 :-) Jul 30 16:15:23 are you using the Eye of Thundera? Jul 30 16:16:10 thiago, :D not sure did not actually read details of the article lol Jul 30 17:08:49 thiago, I figured out that speexdsp problem... I hadn't updated the repo files to point to the right directories and thus wasn't picking up the right versions. Jul 30 17:29:14 has anyone else had issues getting their N950 to charge out of the box? Jul 30 17:29:25 nop, works for me with n900 charger Jul 30 17:29:56 crazy...i'm using the one from the E7 and it won't charge Jul 30 17:30:08 and i can't get OCF to recognize it either Jul 30 17:32:56 Stskeeps, what is keeping you busy today? Jul 30 17:33:42 lcuk: SPARQL as usual Jul 30 17:34:11 * lcuk i saw somethingo n slashdot earlier about NoQL collaboration between couchdb and sqlite guys Jul 30 17:34:16 which might be of interest Jul 30 17:34:23 * lcuk gets a linky Jul 30 17:34:37 yeah, saw it earlier Jul 30 17:34:45 http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/07/30/058232/Unified-NoSQL-Query-Language-Launched Jul 30 17:40:37 So, still trying to compile pulseaudio... (I assume it compiles as it packaged in the repo). But I'm having a number of the included patches fail. Should I expect the included patches to patch cleanly? Jul 30 17:56:47 nasa01, i was compiling the omap sgx driver and could not get the patches to merge Jul 30 17:56:50 using rpmbuild Jul 30 17:57:36 * nasa01 suddenly doesn't feel alone... Jul 30 17:58:00 nasa01, frustrated me so much I dived into a complex math problem to clear my head Jul 30 17:58:09 lol Jul 30 17:58:43 "I was so pissed I had to calculate pi" Jul 30 17:59:22 CosmoHill, polyfill scanline algorithm Jul 30 17:59:36 testcase polygon has 70 edges :P Jul 30 18:01:58 yeah and if its concave its even worse Jul 30 18:13:22 berndhs, concave and overlapping even Jul 30 18:13:39 i am just applying another variation after reading more Jul 30 18:13:50 * lcuk been frustrated by polyfill for a long time Jul 30 18:14:09 concave? decompose into traingles :) Jul 30 18:14:09 t does not help that I am also cutting down on smoking Jul 30 18:14:38 but honestly I dont remember how fill is done, been a long time Jul 30 18:15:36 berndhs yeah same here Jul 30 18:16:23 and I lost The Book some years ago :( Jul 30 18:56:50 I have some packages stuck in unresolvable (even though the missing dependency is already present) for about 3-4 hours now Jul 30 18:57:05 is this still normal or should I start to worry ? :) Jul 30 18:58:42 you may want to check why it thinks its unresolvable Jul 30 18:59:08 did you add the things that resolved it after it complained ? Jul 30 19:00:23 yep Jul 30 19:00:32 https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan Jul 30 19:02:13 dpkg wants dpkg because debhelper wants it :) Jul 30 19:02:19 and debhelper is already built Jul 30 19:03:56 well it says dpkg needs dpks-dev, that looks kinda circular Jul 30 19:04:18 dpkg <- dpkg-dev Jul 30 19:06:07 I have seen the other day that some standard packages had circular-looking dependencies Jul 30 19:06:25 you could update that set of packages, but not create the set the first time Jul 30 19:08:05 btw, shouldn't be dpkg already present in the target ? Jul 30 19:08:40 I'll try to remove it, maybe something happens :) Jul 30 19:09:14 no idea about what the standard builder config provides Jul 30 19:13:45 another thing is that apparently debhelper doesn't neet dpkg-dev to be built, just to run Jul 30 19:17:13 will disabling build & publishing make a package "invisible" to the others ? Jul 30 19:19:54 berndhs: well, I would actually expect such packages would be available on a target producing Debian packages :) Jul 30 19:25:09 so I nuked debhelper, lets see what it does :) Jul 30 19:26:57 they may be available, but the package still has to say it needs them Jul 30 19:27:29 * maour finnaly gots his WeTab. YoooHoooo Jul 30 19:36:26 is anyone testing a Motion Computing CL900 ? Jul 30 20:10:12 is it normal that https://api.meego.com/public now asks for a password? Jul 30 20:12:03 not really Jul 30 20:12:27 i just wanted to know wether i was a little crazy or not... Jul 30 20:13:21 well, does your obs linnks fail? Jul 30 20:16:21 still looks like it works Jul 30 20:17:56 my OBS is still telling me that "setup of repository is broken" Jul 30 20:18:25 * lcuk does a little dance Jul 30 20:18:32 * lcuk does a little shake Jul 30 20:21:37 I think i'm getting what X-Fade explained was caching of the request. but I dont know how to clear that cache Jul 30 20:21:57 check the scheduler log\ Jul 30 20:21:59 ? Jul 30 20:22:44 i did i get 400 bad requests from the link Jul 30 20:25:59 i get this : http://pastebin.com/SutFddw8 Jul 30 20:29:57 Hi! Could someone help me with a simple package version update on c-obs ? I am not that aware of rpm packaging. Jul 30 20:30:16 I can help with one Harmattan package back, if needed :p Jul 30 20:30:42 djszapi, whats your problem? Jul 30 20:32:08 arfoll: well, we have a new version dependency in our project, and I have done the bump on Friday for Harmattan, but I have zero clue about rpm packaging :) https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=alure&project=home%3Asandst1 -> This should be increased from 1.1 to 1.2 Jul 30 20:32:28 and it has 3 new examples that should be installed. No eliminated or new dependency, everything else is the same Jul 30 20:33:29 djszapi, well update the tarball to the 1.2 and change the version to 1.2 in the yaml file, update with 'specify' and you're done Jul 30 20:34:18 well, not accidentally, why I asked for help Jul 30 20:34:28 * CosmoHill looks at apple and wonder if apple realise that when people pay £525 for an entry level computer they'd expect a keyboard, mouse and monitor Jul 30 20:34:31 if someonecan do it it is fine.... Jul 30 20:34:40 I will not start learning rpm to any extent.. Jul 30 20:36:40 djszapi, that's not asking for help Jul 30 20:36:57 forget it... Jul 30 20:39:12 holy shit they have goten ride of hte optical drive Jul 30 20:39:31 what I never understand is that why people cannot be silent, if they cannot help ? Jul 30 20:40:32 djszapi, help is for someone who wants to learn. you want someone to just do something for you. Jul 30 20:40:34 beers all round Jul 30 20:40:35 i solved my math problem Jul 30 20:40:35 with logic Jul 30 20:41:11 CosmoHill, thats to make sure you have to buy videos from their store ;-) Jul 30 20:41:55 it's £1575 with keyboard, monitor, mouse and optical drive Jul 30 20:41:58 arfoll: it is a help for us, not sure what your point is... If I cannot help, I do not answer, period. Jul 30 20:42:15 they also want £40 for a thunderbolt cable Jul 30 20:42:28 djszapi, sorry for trying to help you by explaining how to it... Jul 30 20:43:02 CosmoHill, yeah but it has an apple on it ;-) Jul 30 20:43:51 oh well done apple Jul 30 20:44:00 arfoll: please do not make it worse. Jul 30 20:45:04 evil evil apple Jul 30 20:45:40 2009 monitor - DVI, 2010 monitor - mini display-port, 2011 monitor - thunderbolt Jul 30 20:46:56 2.1 50W speakers and ethernet port, impressive if odd Jul 30 20:50:41 CosmoHill: do you have a little crocodile on your T-shirts or "CK" on your boxers? Jul 30 20:51:13 if not, then you won't "get" why people buy apple :) Jul 30 20:51:27 lbt: not yet Jul 30 20:51:56 CosmoHill: thunderbolt and mini-displayport are the same connector. Jul 30 20:52:10 you can use the thunderbolt display on anything that supports m-dp Jul 30 20:52:10 oh really? they compatable Jul 30 20:52:26 you can't chain devices unless both ends support thunderbolt, of course Jul 30 20:54:47 and for what it's worth, the apple display is no more expensive than it needs to be :p Jul 30 20:55:05 you won't find any IPS, LED displays, especially not of that size, cheaper than $1000 Jul 30 20:55:16 lbt: on a side note I know a kid sponsored by mckenzie (his dad too) Jul 30 20:55:49 lbt, google told me you've had this 400 bad request problem on c.obs before, any ideas? Jul 30 20:56:02 arfoll: getting it now ? Jul 30 20:56:28 lbt, well on my OBS server yes :-( Jul 30 20:56:57 after meego.com my link works but the scheduler doesnt seem to have ralised that yet Jul 30 20:57:08 s/scheduler/watcher Jul 30 20:57:14 ah... you need to restart the schedulers Jul 30 20:57:31 it caches the meego,com remote failure Jul 30 20:57:39 i've done that, but error hasnt gone away Jul 30 20:58:07 mmm you used shutdown... waited for proper exit and not running? Jul 30 20:58:13 and then start? Jul 30 20:58:32 i did a full reboot of the box... Jul 30 20:58:53 mmm Jul 30 20:59:20 where are the errors? Jul 30 21:00:22 in the scheduler log http://pastebin.com/SutFddw8 Jul 30 21:06:17 Hello, anyone interested in getting aavamobile.info domain? Jul 30 21:06:41 arfoll: no, actually I'm seeing the same problem Jul 30 21:06:55 aavamobile: why are you asking? Jul 30 21:07:18 lbt, that makes me feel a bit better Jul 30 21:07:32 * ShadowJK is guessing aavamobile owns aavamobile.info Jul 30 21:07:48 its weird though because osc -A local ls meego.com:MeeGo:1.2:oss works Jul 30 21:08:10 curl https://api.meego.com/public Jul 30 21:08:37 I'm asking because I own aavamobile.info, Aava Mobile company does not own it, and I emailed them if they are interested, no answer yet. Jul 30 21:08:53 spam is prohibited in this channel Jul 30 21:08:57 i thought the aava thingy was discontinued Jul 30 21:09:18 you mean Aava Company is past now? Jul 30 21:09:26 no more aava stuff? Jul 30 21:09:41 dunno, just have a vague memory of reading something along those lines Jul 30 21:09:49 ask them Jul 30 21:09:50 the aava platform is pretty much dead, yes Jul 30 21:10:23 * arfoll wonders wether it was ever alive.... Jul 30 21:10:23 is there any real open device out there? Jul 30 21:10:39 except gta02 or upcoming gta04? (openmoko platform) Jul 30 21:10:45 aavamobile: not realy. Jul 30 21:10:55 The openest thing sort-of-out tehre is the n900. Jul 30 21:11:11 But that's only available new from places that have remaindered stock. Jul 30 21:11:34 And there are no more warranty mainboars - people with warranty repairs are getting offered n8s Jul 30 21:11:37 I have n900 but thinking about move to android Jul 30 21:11:48 arfoll: suspect not Jul 30 21:12:17 because there isn't much development anymore, N900 is getting old, operating system too, and MeeGo seems dead from Nokia side Jul 30 21:12:32 and rumors about LG releasing meego device etc. are dead also Jul 30 21:12:55 seems that all of us will have to move to android in few months :/ Jul 30 21:12:56 Android has - generally - the fundamental problem that in most cases the bootloaders are locked. Jul 30 21:13:15 yes but I'm fan of Nexus line of android phones Jul 30 21:13:20 arfoll: is osc working for you? Jul 30 21:13:25 the aava running meego-ce would do very well from what I could gather Jul 30 21:13:39 lbt, yeah osc with the link works fine Jul 30 21:13:40 if the graphics tearing that I recall it had Jul 30 21:13:45 is resolvable Jul 30 21:13:47 3rd Nexus from google, should be released on Q4 2011, rumors say name: Nexus Prime, should be big screen device (around 4,5"), high resolution, no front buttons Jul 30 21:14:22 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22134 Jul 30 21:14:25 Bug 22134 maj, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, Main meego obs down Jul 30 21:14:26 i met a representative of aava at dublin Jul 30 21:14:32 really? Jul 30 21:14:36 when? Jul 30 21:14:42 we stood in the rain outside smoking and compared and enthused about graphical attributes Jul 30 21:14:45 so they still exist? Jul 30 21:14:58 or not anymore? Jul 30 21:15:00 do they do any job for Intel? Jul 30 21:15:03 myself and damian (cloudgps guy) were really pumping high speed perforamnce graphics for meego specifically Jul 30 21:15:23 i do not know, it would certainly be interesting to get some of those devices into the ddp Jul 30 21:15:30 i would certainly be interested Jul 30 21:15:35 lbt, cheers for verifying that. i hope we get a response at least this time Jul 30 21:15:39 at least now also similar form factor n950 exists Jul 30 21:15:45 I have emailed them even like 1 months ago, no answer so far Jul 30 21:16:03 if the aava can happily run meego from the repositories then it is 1up on the n950 right now Jul 30 21:16:43 anyone here owns n950? Jul 30 21:16:50 i have one and many others here do Jul 30 21:17:03 many others? Jul 30 21:17:13 ah Jul 30 21:17:13 we don't exactly own them Jul 30 21:17:17 they are loaners from Nokia. Jul 30 21:17:21 I see Jul 30 21:17:37 is it cool dveice? Jul 30 21:17:37 if you don't already have one, you can't get one. Jul 30 21:17:38 device* Jul 30 21:18:00 it's the best device, hardware and software, that Nokia has produced to date. Jul 30 21:18:06 :/ Jul 30 21:18:07 but you'll need to wait for the Nokia N9 in September. Jul 30 21:18:07 because Nokia said that no matter if MeeGo will have success or not, they end with it Jul 30 21:18:21 with the N9 Jul 30 21:18:33 yes Jul 30 21:18:34 and they have said that they have no plans for further MeeGo devices Jul 30 21:18:40 that does not mean the same thing as "ending it" Jul 30 21:18:42 I'd much rather buy a n950 than a n9 Jul 30 21:18:52 me too Jul 30 21:18:52 MeeGo goes on as a small division in Nokia. Jul 30 21:19:00 I saw videos with N950 and seems nice Jul 30 21:19:02 hm Jul 30 21:19:03 I really wish people would get their fucking facts straight Jul 30 21:19:28 Meego goes on as a small division - yes - but practically this means little. Jul 30 21:19:32 but no more MeeGo devices = end Jul 30 21:19:38 Though it's good that they're contributing. Jul 30 21:19:39 sigh. Jul 30 21:19:50 I'm going to walk out of here before I start cursing. Jul 30 21:19:54 lol Jul 30 21:19:55 And in principle more devices may happen if Elop sets his trousers on fire. Jul 30 21:20:20 aavamobile: it's people like you, partially informed, that cause these idiotic rumours, that we have to fan out. Jul 30 21:20:32 * TSCHAKeee sick of this shit. Jul 30 21:20:46 sorry if I said any unclear sentences then :) Jul 30 21:20:54 but I'm informed pretty well Jul 30 21:21:07 I know what Nokia said exactly Jul 30 21:21:09 etc. Jul 30 21:21:14 MeeGo does not begin or end with Nokia. Jul 30 21:21:20 but I just lost hope Jul 30 21:21:36 I'm owner of N900, I get it 1 month after it has been released Jul 30 21:21:36 big fan Jul 30 21:21:40 of MeeGo also Jul 30 21:21:50 The amount that n950 or n9 is meego is also a bit questionable. Jul 30 21:22:15 and I say again Jul 30 21:22:18 who gives a fuck? Jul 30 21:22:29 I can take apps that I write for MeeGo, and they run on the device Jul 30 21:22:33 TSCHAKeee: calm down Jul 30 21:22:35 and of course MeeGo does not end/begin with Nokia, but MeeGo is simply not interesting for developers now, so it's only about the system Jul 30 21:23:06 aavamobile: and do clarify ... "app developers" is not == "developers" Jul 30 21:23:12 lbt: no, I'm sick of this shit. the petty in fighting, the pedantic bullshit of what IS or ISN'T meego... Jul 30 21:23:15 yes Jul 30 21:23:17 app developers Jul 30 21:23:24 system is cool Jul 30 21:23:30 no doubts of that Jul 30 21:23:50 but simply, no applications, I will have to move Jul 30 21:23:56 I heard the same damned arguments over OpenStep, Amiga, UNIX, X, NeWS, PHIGS, OpenGL... Jul 30 21:24:09 I'm not infighting about what's meego or what's not. Simply that the n950/n9 software doesn't look much like meego core. Jul 30 21:24:09 N900 is just getting old, from either application or hardware point of view Jul 30 21:24:23 aavamobile: so leave. later. Jul 30 21:24:24 Not talking about the UX Jul 30 21:24:51 ahh that what I didn't get details yet Jul 30 21:24:57 I thought N950/N9 is pure MeeGo with customized Ui Jul 30 21:25:00 so it is not? Jul 30 21:25:03 different core? Jul 30 21:25:07 it's Maemo 6 Jul 30 21:25:26 It imported some limited stuff from meego, and is a little more open in some ways. Jul 30 21:25:29 the MeeGo API's are pu top. Jul 30 21:25:32 (and more closed in others) Jul 30 21:25:46 so N9 does not really contribute to MeeGo anyhow? Jul 30 21:25:54 * TSCHAKeee facepalms Jul 30 21:26:01 see, this is the bullshit that these idiotic arguments provoke. Jul 30 21:26:10 :D Jul 30 21:26:11 ok Jul 30 21:32:21 no, this is the bullshit that Nokia provoked by the insane renaming orgy Jul 30 21:34:43 my arguments were from end-user point of view Jul 30 21:34:50 not from your like developer :) Jul 30 22:27:14 evening all Jul 30 22:27:17 how's things ? Jul 30 22:28:10 Is there already support for DLNA in meego 1.2 as per compliance et al ? Jul 30 22:28:25 sunny and warm here Jul 30 22:28:53 but i dropped my remote thermometer, so can't tell you precise numbers Jul 30 22:37:05 berndhs: lol Jul 30 22:37:09 berndhs: Where are you now? Jul 30 22:37:21 Niagara, as usual Jul 30 22:37:29 same time zone as NYC Jul 30 22:37:37 people finally went out to demand back their once social state in here, the streets are rushing :) Jul 30 22:37:49 berndhs: ah nice, I heard you guys have a decent heat wave Jul 30 22:37:58 oh they want they free stuff back ? Jul 30 22:38:12 berndhs: well, they want to be able to buy an apartment, to send kids to school etc :) Jul 30 22:38:15 heat is tolerable here, no moer than 32 today Jul 30 22:38:17 berndhs: without selling their kidneys Jul 30 22:38:22 ;) Jul 30 22:38:44 well, I want .... Jul 30 22:39:02 berndhs: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4102107,00.html Jul 30 22:39:04 berndhs: lol Jul 30 22:39:22 yes I heard about protests in Israel Jul 30 22:39:58 berndhs: the initiators of the protest, well at least some of those who tagged them alone tried to make themselves a name and a career in media through it, but the cause and the overall movements is nice. Jul 30 22:40:18 berndhs: right, I guess everybody have :) Jul 30 22:40:29 berndhs: anyway better sutied for -bar Jul 30 22:40:32 sure, but perhaps too much of a copy of other countries Jul 30 22:41:05 berndhs: in what respect? Jul 30 22:41:18 yeah probably -bar, MeeGo can't really provide what they ask for :) Jul 30 22:41:27 berndhs: lol right :) Jul 30 22:41:42 berndhs: anyway, re: meego, do you have any idea of the state of DLNA ? Jul 30 22:41:51 i mean, it would be nice, but its asking a lot Jul 30 22:42:16 berndhs: sure sure :) I think the protest is nice, but they shoudl ask for better minimum wage which would automatically solve 50% of the problems. Jul 30 22:42:40 berndhs: anyway, -bar Jul 30 22:42:49 yeah Jul 30 22:42:56 berndhs: know anything about DLNA in meego on the other hand? :) Jul 30 22:42:58 i dont know about DLNA, Jul 30 22:43:02 ok. thanks. Jul 30 22:43:24 I'm trying to figure a way to get back into core C++ without spending few months with tiring books. Jul 30 22:43:33 its another standard, or set thereof ? Jul 30 22:43:36 in relation to QtQuick and C++ Qt , any idea bout that? Jul 30 22:44:04 look at C++0x, it has a few handy simplifications Jul 30 22:44:08 berndhs: so apparently, it is the first (ever?) standard to be agreed upon all of the industry for universally controlling devices in the household. Jul 30 22:44:22 and it could remind you of C++ parts you forgot Jul 30 22:44:34 berndhs: I used to be quite good in old school C++ , but these days, it seems C++ tried to become Python and it confuses me :) Jul 30 22:45:05 C++ still doesn't ahve the elegance of meaningful whitespace Jul 30 22:45:11 berndhs: oh good, what about stuff lke Pimpl and others that I never really saw in 6 year back C++ books? Jul 30 22:45:17 berndhs: I agree! Jul 30 22:45:42 I believe whitespace meaning should be left to the whitespace language :) Jul 30 22:45:55 berndhs: lol Jul 30 22:46:03 berndhs: got'me Jul 30 22:46:13 berndhs: I happen to appreciate the elegence of whitespaces Jul 30 22:46:17 whitespace + FORTRAN, the ideal combination Jul 30 22:46:29 berndhs: makes me feel like I'm really doing soemthing while I'm just adding whitespaces to denote blocks Jul 30 22:46:32 * sivang loves Python Jul 30 22:46:46 * sivang joins #pyside Jul 30 22:47:01 berndhs: makes the no-work feel like work :-p Jul 30 22:47:10 the apparent meaning of python programs depends on the fonts you use to display them Jul 30 22:47:20 :) Jul 30 22:47:34 berndhs: so I guess what I am looking for is a brief C++ review that will take me through C++ things that are required to be able to understand Qt code. Jul 30 22:47:36 best stick to monospace Jul 30 22:47:40 berndhs: including the Qt source itself. Jul 30 22:47:48 berndhs: HA HA HA Jul 30 22:47:50 * sivang ROTFLs Jul 30 22:48:37 Qt docs are very good still for C++, except for the QML part, where they dont seem finished Jul 30 22:48:51 anybody knows if this book comes in English as well? (fellow Germen) http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2011/07/31/book-out-qt-for-symbian-and-android/ Jul 30 22:49:08 berndhs: you mean, something like pimpl is explained at the qt docs? Jul 30 22:49:20 what's pimpl ? Jul 30 22:49:59 sivang, n950-ce is being formulated at present Jul 30 22:49:59 berndhs: it is a concept trying to make C++ behave more like Python as I understood it, as in, allowing you to duck type types :) Jul 30 22:50:09 many folks are eager to be using it Jul 30 22:50:10 lcuk: a big YAY. Jul 30 22:50:11 I would stay away from books that mix the language with particular libraries Jul 30 22:50:28 lcuk: Once I threaten my custom officials and get my devkit, I want to join the testers :) Jul 30 22:50:47 * sivang should use tent protest arguments why the device should not be custom'd Jul 30 22:50:49 its better to know the difference between the language and libs Jul 30 22:51:10 berndhs: you mean, mix Qt with specific platform libs? Jul 30 22:51:17 yes I am trying to keep up myself, but we must remember it is Finnish holidays Jul 30 22:51:29 oh, things like the "foreach" construct Jul 30 22:51:44 that's part of some libraries and frameworks, not part of C++ Jul 30 22:51:51 berndhs: yes, like allwoing you to do so wuth a C++ type Jul 30 22:51:56 lcuk: keep up with? Jul 30 22:51:57 done with macros usually, really ugly Jul 30 22:52:30 berndhs: sec, let me find you a link. http://www.gamedev.net/page/resources/_/reference/programming/sweet-snippets/the-c-pimpl-r1794 Jul 30 22:52:36 berndhs: I was wrong has nothing to do with duck typing. Jul 30 22:52:43 sivang, Jul 30 22:52:44 I guess this i implemented some other way in Qt Jul 30 22:52:45 http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.10.20110722.4.DE.2011-07-25.1/ Jul 30 22:52:52 contains an n950 build Jul 30 22:53:05 however getting it onto machine is non-trivial Jul 30 22:53:35 ah yes private classes, Qt does that a lot I think Jul 30 22:53:41 but you're supposed to ignore it Jul 30 22:54:04 personally I think it sucks, mostly because it makes debugging more difficult Jul 30 22:54:14 berndhs: But sometimes I Have to read qt code as docs, and then I come across C++ "tricks" that I want to understand. Jul 30 22:54:27 berndhs: it sucks *BIGTIME* to remove the doubt. Jul 30 22:54:31 you can't look into the state of those private things very weill Jul 30 22:54:39 berndhs: yes, already had this hell once. Jul 30 22:55:06 lcuk: is this a hard fp arm7 images for the n900 as well? Jul 30 22:55:13 lcuk: I mean, can I test those? Jul 30 22:55:23 lcuk: (the mSD method and flasher ) Jul 30 22:55:26 sure, this is the latest summer release Jul 30 22:55:32 * sivang downloads Jul 30 22:55:41 yeah, download the image and kernel Jul 30 22:55:50 extract image; dd to your eMMC Jul 30 22:55:55 flash the kernel Jul 30 22:56:05 enjoy Jul 30 22:56:11 reboot, maemo there. :) Jul 30 22:57:03 lcuk: so so sweet, been doing that ever since it was avilable that way, but there's now a dual boot way as well right? Jul 30 22:57:21 yeah, has been for a while Jul 30 22:57:37 * lcuk does not actually know how though o_O Jul 30 22:57:44 lol, that's okay Jul 30 22:57:52 if you're using your device for everyday Jul 30 22:57:56 better use the mSD way Jul 30 22:58:21 the test device is same, I am just set in my bootup and using testing methodology Jul 30 22:58:59 i have n900-ce on my desk at side of keyboard always on and use it as calculator and stuff Jul 30 22:59:13 or would if bug 20099 was fixed Jul 30 22:59:16 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 nor, High, ---, marko.saukko, NEW, [CE] Calculator crashes after pressing any button and then "." . Jul 30 22:59:40 * lcuk heavily facepalms at that Jul 30 22:59:53 hmm, interesting Jul 30 22:59:56 and of my own lack of knowledge to actually send a merge request Jul 30 22:59:57 can't fix my remote thermometer, have to go check outside Jul 30 23:00:10 lcuk: can it do GSM and text? Jul 30 23:00:23 sivang, has for a while I believe Jul 30 23:00:23 lcuk: oh you arealdy fixed that crash? nice Jul 30 23:00:33 sivang, I identified the issue Jul 30 23:00:39 qml was remarkable in that respect Jul 30 23:00:47 lcuk: I knew it could do calls, knew there was a bug in usign the ear piece and sending text. Jul 30 23:00:55 no installing anything and let me insert some debug lines to find out area of problem Jul 30 23:00:57 lcuk: how? Jul 30 23:01:05 lcuk: oh, you mean, in the qml code it self? Jul 30 23:01:17 yeah, that is where the regression/bug comes from Jul 30 23:01:29 lcuk: e.g. you can tap into existing code and change it on the fly to test things? :) Jul 30 23:01:37 yes Jul 30 23:01:39 :) Jul 30 23:02:00 made it feel closer to visual basic :) Jul 30 23:02:19 compile/run cycle times should be almost instant Jul 30 23:02:28 :) Jul 30 23:02:37 qml has that effect on device Jul 30 23:02:56 * lcuk cannot believe he just complemented qml Jul 30 23:02:57 lcuk: this has been taking sleep out me over the time since I first tried QML myself, and made me come up with that: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/groups/qt_contributors_summit/wiki/CrowdQuick Jul 30 23:03:01 * lcuk washes his mouth out ;) Jul 30 23:03:07 lcuk: LOL Jul 30 23:03:26 lcuk: I'm currently working on the web backend. Jul 30 23:03:50 i don't really understand meego, does the distro "include" a window manager? Jul 30 23:03:50 so is still vaporware, but one has the right to dream :) Jul 30 23:03:59 italic: include? Jul 30 23:04:31 is it one big package, including the ui, or can i install another window manager? Jul 30 23:04:44 like xfce or something Jul 30 23:04:47 * lcuk is going on a bike ride next weekend Jul 30 23:04:48 http://www.goskyride.com/Manchester Jul 30 23:04:49 :) Jul 30 23:04:59 italic: you mean desktop environment, not "window manager" Jul 30 23:05:18 lcuk: hmm Manchester. I miss it a bit, I have some very good friends there Jul 30 23:05:24 italic: and yes, you can replace the desktop with another desktop environment Jul 30 23:05:31 lcuk: seems like a very good place to bike Jul 30 23:05:43 but there's a window manager :) Jul 30 23:05:45 yes I used to as a kid Jul 30 23:05:49 i'd like to install xmonad, since im used to it Jul 30 23:05:53 and I think it is different between vertical, IIRC Jul 30 23:05:58 sofar: am I wrong? Jul 30 23:05:59 italic, :D Jul 30 23:06:03 have a go Jul 30 23:06:12 italic: right, download, install , profit Jul 30 23:06:14 (1) Jul 30 23:06:15 * lcuk likes tiling windows Jul 30 23:06:22 lcuk: in ce? Jul 30 23:06:36 ok, ive never used meego, im coming from ubuntu Jul 30 23:06:41 worth a try in meego if italic wants to build and test Jul 30 23:07:04 italic, download the netbook image, it has most scope for window manager messing Jul 30 23:07:10 if on a bigger x86 device Jul 30 23:07:13 I package xfce4 packages for meego on the official OBS Jul 30 23:07:15 lcuk: clutter is the wm right? Jul 30 23:07:22 yeah Jul 30 23:07:28 right, so I know somethign :-p Jul 30 23:07:29 but I have seen numerous wms Jul 30 23:07:29 nice of me. Jul 30 23:07:34 http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/xfce/ Jul 30 23:07:34 lol Jul 30 23:07:42 meego is on that new asus netbook i want, i dont know to just install ubuntu, or try installing my apps on meego Jul 30 23:07:45 yes, since it is a proper upstream linux stack italic , you can do whatever you like with it. Jul 30 23:07:50 you can also install the netbook UX Jul 30 23:08:02 italic: netbook UX is SO sweet. Jul 30 23:08:04 (at least for me) Jul 30 23:08:13 we have desktop_changing wiki page Jul 30 23:08:20 for how to go about configuring Jul 30 23:08:31 so i can install emacs and all that jazz? Jul 30 23:08:36 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops Jul 30 23:08:43 sure, emacs is there Jul 30 23:08:56 sofar: and even Pytho twisted :) Jul 30 23:08:59 ok, this doesn't sound as bad as i imagined Jul 30 23:09:07 italic: bad? meego is good Jul 30 23:09:15 italic: it is the good guy on the block, trust us. Jul 30 23:09:26 italic: more open than android, better than windows, lighter than ubnntu Jul 30 23:09:47 (I can't mention iOS in the same line, sorry :))) Jul 30 23:10:05 good to hear. i just worry when netbooks provide an "integrated solution" Jul 30 23:10:07 i Jul 30 23:10:15 i'll give it a fair shake :) Jul 30 23:10:28 italic: integrated as a reference, nothing more. Jul 30 23:10:39 italic: if you want compliance that you need to worry more, but you are not there yet, I think :) Jul 30 23:11:10 italic: love your meego, and it loves you back, speaking out of experience Jul 30 23:11:12 :) Jul 30 23:11:13 all i care about is a terminal, bash, and emacs Jul 30 23:11:26 italic: meego could be the best distro for that. Jul 30 23:11:57 italic: I tried once the handset packages ont he netbook, boy the fun of experimenting. Jul 30 23:12:25 italic: so you could have the handset's vkb for instance, but that's not too comfortable depending on your form factor. Jul 30 23:13:21 i'm gonna get the ai'm looking at this: http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_PC/Eee_PC_X101/ Jul 30 23:17:57 italic: are you located close to Berlin btw? Jul 30 23:18:51 sivang: not quite, US Jul 30 23:19:12 italic: oh I see. okay. Watch for Intel AppUp meego related events as they are all over, Jul 30 23:19:28 italic: you can get going wtih some lectures about development etc for and abotu meego. Jul 30 23:20:36 i will. looking around, i'm surprised there's such an active community :) Jul 30 23:21:18 italic: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/events/ Jul 30 23:22:08 italic: don't be :) we are very active although we don't shout about it too much, if you want reasons why you can see my talk from San Francisco: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/we-want-you-new-meego-recruit Jul 30 23:22:36 italic: you'd find this is one of the freidnliest communities in open source. Jul 30 23:24:28 * sivang .o0(I knew this talk would come handy in making more people interested) Jul 30 23:27:24 * sivang should protest about speed of .IL internet as well... Jul 30 23:29:01 sivang: cool, i'll check that talk out Jul 30 23:29:14 italic: thanks, I appreciate it. Jul 30 23:29:43 * sivang downloads ce at 100kBs Jul 30 23:32:21 night all. Jul 30 23:43:24 still stuck on "nothing provides dpkg-dev >= 1.16 needed by debhelper" Jul 30 23:43:42 even dpkg build is blocked by this Jul 30 23:43:58 anyone encountering this so far ? Jul 30 23:50:23 .30 Jul 30 23:50:26 oops Jul 30 23:53:05 M4rtinK2: i had something similar, I lied about one of the dependencies to get it started Jul 30 23:53:21 removed it from one of the packages, and then put it back later Jul 30 23:55:02 hmm, that might work :) Jul 30 23:55:39 IMHO, some of the dependencies look fishy anyway Jul 31 01:30:56 hi Jul 31 01:31:14 i am having an issue with qmediarecorder or something.. Jul 31 01:31:34 i manage to record and save a video into a file, but i have no read or write access from the app Jul 31 01:31:40 this is on n950 Jul 31 01:32:16 do i need some kind of aegis things for this? as i have the linux access rights to the file Jul 31 01:33:18 any help, comments would be great Jul 31 01:43:55 did some more digging and i found a debug message from resourceengine that access is denied.. Jul 31 01:59:32 any ideas what credential should i add in this denied case: http://pastebin.com/jJNDAV31 Jul 31 01:59:59 or if anyone knows an url which would explain more that handlegrantmessage output.. Jul 31 02:00:50 Hey guys x Jul 31 02:53:20 morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 31 02:59:57 2011