**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 31 02:59:57 2011 Jul 31 05:20:51 i've downloaded meego for n900, how to install meego beside maemo? Jul 31 05:24:35 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/GettingStarted Jul 31 06:25:38 hi, I'm trying to learn how to open a qml file after the user accepts a DialogQuery Jul 31 06:25:50 here is the code: http://paste.debian.net/124640/ Jul 31 06:26:04 according to thedocs, that dialog will emit a signal Dialog::accepted () Jul 31 06:26:20 but I don't now how to handle that signal in order to get a qml file open whenever it is TRUE Jul 31 06:26:35 any tips if there is anybody awake here at this time :) Jul 31 06:27:23 shout, really loud Jul 31 06:37:03 considering that all handlers in QML seem to follow the general naming convention "onSomeEvent", I would expect the handler to be 'onAccepted' Jul 31 08:37:23 Anyone willing to help with the Harmattan QMainWindow??? Jul 31 11:37:33 can a yaml file be used to generate debian info? Jul 31 11:39:17 google says maybe: http://code.google.com/p/pkgcreator/ Jul 31 11:42:33 interesting Jul 31 11:42:44 so if capable and not a once only thing Jul 31 11:42:58 maintaining a yaml could work for meego/maemo/harmattan Jul 31 11:45:20 i think spectacle actually has debian too Jul 31 11:59:47 morning Jul 31 11:59:52 morning :) Jul 31 11:59:58 I'd be also interested in how feasible alien-harmattan is Jul 31 12:00:59 dm8tbr, so that only one set of changelogs etc was managed? Jul 31 12:01:14 lbt: any idea how to get rid of debhelper/dpkg-dev circular dependencies ? :) Jul 31 12:01:58 looks like even home:rzr:debian is blocked by it, nod only my home:MartinK:harmattan Jul 31 12:01:59 M4rtinK2: explain? (link?) Jul 31 12:02:16 lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan Jul 31 12:02:32 lcuk: in theory 'meego 1.2 harmattan' is binary/api/abi/whatever compatible with regular meego 1.2 for arm Jul 31 12:02:38 there too: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian Jul 31 12:03:29 lcuk: main differences being rpm/deb and aegis Jul 31 12:03:32 many packages want debhelper, once I add it, it compiles fine Jul 31 12:03:54 but all packages start to complain that debhelper wants dpkg-dev, even dpkg Jul 31 12:04:06 OK ... Jul 31 12:04:42 sounds like debhelper has a bad runtime dep on dpkg-dev Jul 31 12:05:01 (not knowing the true dep tree off hand) Jul 31 12:05:37 so, how to fix it ? Jul 31 12:06:03 modifying the makefile or something ? Jul 31 12:06:36 * lbt wonders if you should really be building debhelper and dpkg-dev if you don't know how to fix this :) Jul 31 12:07:05 I don't want to build them :) Jul 31 12:07:15 I want to build packages that want them :) Jul 31 12:07:44 well, I was wondering why such basic packages are not available on the target Jul 31 12:08:03 good question ... one for the Harmattan community in general I think Jul 31 12:08:10 is there some basic thing I forgot to do/enable ? :) Jul 31 12:08:40 I made a proposal for this ... but too many people seem to think that anarchy is the best option :) Jul 31 12:08:50 the fact is Jul 31 12:09:14 Harmattan needs some TLC and some core packages need to be adopted Jul 31 12:09:24 dh and co amongst them Jul 31 12:09:42 what we need is a DD to act as a mentor for those packages Jul 31 12:09:59 then consolidate them to Surrounds:Testing Jul 31 12:10:32 with approval from someone who knows WTF they are doing (which is not me unless I spend more time on this) Jul 31 12:11:06 It's the sort of work which few are willing to do without pay alas. Jul 31 12:11:38 *nod* Jul 31 12:18:04 And even if htey're qilling, it's so time consuming that ... Jul 31 12:18:56 well, I think we can get the basic build-essentials done w/o too much trouble Jul 31 12:19:34 Fathi should be able to do this with about 4 brain cellls Jul 31 12:20:58 M4rtinK2: so ... you need to find a DD - then we get approval from them on how to solve the problem. Then you and I move them to Surrounds:Testing and they're available for everyone Jul 31 12:21:37 or jeremiah ... Jul 31 12:22:11 lbt: ok Jul 31 12:22:41 but I don't think I know any Debian developers personally Jul 31 12:23:12 what about a meego.com/Developer support thread ? :) Jul 31 12:24:38 sounds reasonable Jul 31 12:24:40 lbt: BTW, looks like these packages are blocking everything - fixing just these two might make quite a few others build Jul 31 12:25:02 I agree Jul 31 12:28:57 lbt: what about "debhelper & dpkg-dev circular dependency in COBS - Debian Experts needed" for the thread tile ? :) Jul 31 12:29:37 I'd like a DD/MOTU for those ... and clarify it's a sponsor role and not a 'do it' Jul 31 12:30:21 DD/MOTU ? Jul 31 12:30:42 DD = Debian Developer ? Jul 31 12:30:47 debian developer or the ubuntu equiv Jul 31 12:30:54 oh Jul 31 12:42:04 lbt: thread posted http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=27801 Jul 31 12:43:13 M4rtinK2: neat ... shame most DDs won't see it .... http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=27597#post27597 Jul 31 12:46:50 well, we just need >=1 helpful DD's :) but yeah, seems like a missed opportunity Jul 31 16:25:17 how would I get a clarification on the license for meego-ux-theme ? the yaml file says "restricted" Jul 31 16:38:02 berndhs: contact LF, if it is what I think it is then you should only use it if you are compliant Jul 31 16:38:17 aha Jul 31 16:38:32 (not that anybody seems to care) Jul 31 16:38:59 i'm not calling the result *meego*, so I don't know what compliance means in this case Jul 31 16:39:43 but yeah, there could well be things in the theme that make it look like it is MeeGo Jul 31 16:39:45 https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-theme/blobs/master/COPYING Jul 31 16:40:32 yes makes sense Jul 31 16:40:53 I'll be at least as compliant as Nokia :p Jul 31 16:41:45 well seems they got some exception from god himself, I'd not argue with that. :/ Jul 31 16:42:07 but yeah, I was seen making very similar comments Jul 31 16:42:20 berndhs: btw, commercial or non-commercial project? Jul 31 16:42:37 non-commercial, unless someone wants to pay me big bucks Jul 31 16:43:03 i just want to make a different UX Jul 31 16:43:23 berndhs: if you need image hosting or something. images.formeego.org is open for you like for everyone else :) Jul 31 16:43:27 so I need diverging versions of all the meego-ux-something Jul 31 16:43:47 yes I know, not at that point yet Jul 31 16:44:14 i'm just doing all the infrastructure Jul 31 16:44:21 berndhs: IMHO Meego should provide redistributable 'reference' packages, but that's just my opinion Jul 31 16:44:46 seems like a reasonable way to do it Jul 31 16:45:21 I will have to do somewhat different theming, but I want to use the same structure Jul 31 16:56:04 or maybe I'll find an artist voulnteer to draw a bunch of icons and backgrounds Jul 31 16:56:53 * lcuk started to draw in colour properly today :) Jul 31 16:56:54 http://liqbase.net/liq.20110731_011052.flower.scr.png Jul 31 16:57:31 those are the filled polygons ? Jul 31 16:58:14 berndhs, :) yes Jul 31 16:59:49 i'm just starting to wonder about the wisdom of avoiding curved lines in graphics Jul 31 17:00:18 its basically done to simplify the math, because of computational load concerns Jul 31 17:00:41 but with all these gazillions of tiny tiny polygons, is that really working ? Jul 31 17:00:43 berndhs, of course Jul 31 17:01:53 the approach comes from work in the early 1980s, perhaps earlier Jul 31 17:02:28 where in graphics avoids curves? Jul 31 17:02:50 everything is polygons Jul 31 17:03:12 at the bottom layers at least Jul 31 17:03:33 well, everything is a stroke Jul 31 17:03:44 a polygon is a closed stroke :P Jul 31 17:04:00 its done this way because of assumptions about the hardware Jul 31 17:04:17 and those assumptions are 30 years old, so I'm not sure they are still valid Jul 31 17:04:30 practicality too Jul 31 17:04:48 sure, practicality as in inertia :) Jul 31 17:04:50 would you design a circular lcd, or a rectangular one with some masking? Jul 31 17:05:04 * lcuk considers circle uis often Jul 31 17:05:21 use scaled circles and fill in the gaps with smaller circles Jul 31 17:05:27 * lcuk likes that sort of thing :) Jul 31 17:05:37 lcuk: I have seen an oval LCD - graphical Jul 31 17:05:41 sure that would work just as well Jul 31 17:05:45 lcuk: It's a pity that they aren't more common Jul 31 17:05:53 lcuk: I'd like circular LCDs. Jul 31 17:06:17 straight lines are not natural in physical objects Jul 31 17:06:38 http://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.png Jul 31 17:06:57 * lcuk wants to make each bubble an app Jul 31 17:09:09 all right, ux-theme has a measely 2004 .png files Jul 31 17:09:51 this compliance thing is partly so that LF has a veto on who does what, isn't it Jul 31 17:10:55 it's all about control isn't it? Jul 31 17:10:55 maybe that will be my random quote in the metrics :) Jul 31 17:11:34 i dont know if all of it is about control, but some of it certainly Jul 31 17:12:04 its a business aspect Jul 31 17:19:02 mic2 can be frustrating, I say exclude package thusly: "-package" Jul 31 17:19:07 and it includes it anyway Jul 31 17:23:13 lcuk / lbt, what's the name of the company you work for that begins with C Jul 31 17:23:42 not me... Jul 31 17:23:54 Collabra ? Jul 31 17:23:58 yes Jul 31 17:24:00 thanks Jul 31 17:24:32 * lbt is busy making a selection on wormsdirect.co.uk ... the internet is a strange place... Jul 31 17:24:54 oops,,, no, www.wormsdirectuk.co.uk Jul 31 17:25:41 * CosmoHill wonders if he's on the right websiter Jul 31 17:25:41 I bought some sourdough the other day. Jul 31 17:25:59 SpeedEvil: hopefully it didn't have worms.... Jul 31 17:26:17 And I'm working on a program to do evil things to tesco. Jul 31 17:26:42 found it: http://www.collabora.com/, has a second o in it :) Jul 31 17:26:53 (If you order an item they're delisting and have reuced the price on it to clear, you can price match on items that are in stock) Jul 31 17:27:45 bah, only job is in canada Jul 31 17:28:00 CosmoHill: talk to Robot101 ... ;) Jul 31 17:28:11 * CosmoHill pokes Robot101 Jul 31 17:29:06 I typed in "IT" and it's given me Vehicle Inspector for £8 / hour Jul 31 17:29:49 their ad is fake, one requirement is "Having previously-worked for our group of companies for a minimum of 1 year" Jul 31 17:30:25 so looks like they already have their guy/girl, just need to advertise the position for technical reasons Jul 31 17:30:51 berndhs: that sounds just like the last job I applied for Jul 31 17:31:07 closing date was friday, short listed gets told on monday Jul 31 17:31:32 happens a fair bit, I blame unreasonable regulations Jul 31 17:32:26 I was told all sorts of things like if I had the interview I should remove my earring (not told by them but people who knew the school) Jul 31 17:32:33 company XYZ wants to transfer someone to another country, regulations say they have to try to hire locals Jul 31 17:34:44 Often those sorts of stipulations are not legal. Jul 31 17:35:12 immigration laws are like that Jul 31 17:35:51 its nicer if you can see it from the ad, otherwise you would waste time applying :) Jul 31 17:37:26 (admin job): Highly computer literate - advanced Outlook as well as experience of using Word, Excel and PowerPoint, as well as Adobe Acrobat Jul 31 17:37:39 * CosmoHill seems to have taken the convo off topic again, sorry Jul 31 17:38:12 its ok, all discussions of relevant computing business ecosystem Jul 31 17:38:40 to bring it back on topic, Any meego related jobs in south east england? ^.^ Jul 31 17:39:27 hi guys i'm hiring. I need someone to carry my giant nutsack around...it's giving me back problems. $8/hr...must have strong biceps. Jul 31 17:39:50 I think you'd be better off with a trolly Jul 31 17:55:34 what is the purpose of "Requires: %{name} >= %{version}" ? in a spec/yaml file ? Jul 31 17:55:52 seems bogus and circular Jul 31 17:58:28 waits for the knock on the door from the Intel and LF lawyers Jul 31 17:58:42 vgrade, what have you done now? Jul 31 17:58:59 arfoll hi Jul 31 17:59:10 hey Jul 31 17:59:25 berndhs: it forces an upgrade, with the flags used in zypper, rpm is happy to install multiple versions of the same package Jul 31 17:59:28 I'm guessing a MeeGo image with drives for the GMA500 Jul 31 17:59:44 or would be, I believe Jul 31 17:59:47 well I'm about to redistribute this trimslice image to you and according to the convo earlier thats not allowed Jul 31 18:00:04 CosmoHill, EMGD is OK now Jul 31 18:00:09 that's the one Jul 31 18:00:13 vgrade, why not? Jul 31 18:00:51 https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-theme/blobs/master/COPYING Jul 31 18:01:32 vgrade, nice find. although I doubt LF lawyers will go at you with that... Jul 31 18:02:09 arfoll, not my find, berndhs Jul 31 18:02:13 either way you can delete the whole meego-ux-theme pakage from the image and you're gd Jul 31 18:02:26 image uploading now, linky soon Jul 31 18:02:35 cool Jul 31 18:02:49 well hopefully UPS don't miss my flat again Jul 31 18:05:01 * arfoll puts the chef hat on Jul 31 18:06:00 they won't, it's sunday Jul 31 18:24:41 arfoll, btw, xbmc-gles install fails with nothing provides swscale_0_arm.so Jul 31 18:40:45 vgrade, yeah i know - been playing with n900 and it Jul 31 18:53:56 arfoll, refuses to run on trimslice, demands 24bit Jul 31 18:58:30 vgrade, well i guess I got more work ;-) Jul 31 19:06:31 I've been having a look, http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/qt/src/gui/egl/qegl_x11.cpp#319 Jul 31 19:06:53 http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/02/05/qtx11-bring-up-on-tegra2-with-full-opengl-es-2-support/ , mentions Jul 31 19:07:30 https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com//browse/QTBUG-9444, related Jul 31 19:08:11 related example patch, http://sprunge.us/eEBb Jul 31 19:08:55 not go roung to building qegl_x11.cpp with that applied Jul 31 19:09:26 image nearly up Jul 31 20:12:45 man uploading the theme takes a long time Jul 31 21:23:50 berndhs, which theme are you tinkering with? Jul 31 21:25:15 meego-ux-theme Jul 31 21:25:29 i'm going to replace all 2004 images :p Jul 31 21:26:10 berndhs, in a single art/design sitting? Jul 31 21:27:02 well, i don't knwo what I will do in the afternoon that day Jul 31 21:28:16 the tar.bz2 is 33 MB, that's why it takes a while at 75 Kb/s Jul 31 21:32:27 berndhs, quite substantial package Jul 31 21:32:36 is it mostly processed duplications within Jul 31 21:32:41 or don't you such know yet Jul 31 21:32:55 ie can many of the images be scripted Jul 31 21:33:01 by merging componnts etc Jul 31 21:33:20 the stupid thing about it, I don't really mind the look of the UX, I just mind the transitions Jul 31 21:33:45 1 second or so to go from normal view of a panel to settings view Jul 31 21:34:11 and that's all over the place in all these UXs Jul 31 21:34:29 not just meego, all the mobile stuff, and Gnome-3 and so on Jul 31 22:03:23 this channel sucks ass Jul 31 22:03:25 nbdjs Jul 31 22:04:57 sure it does Jul 31 22:05:53 alienwoah: Whatcha doin' here then? Jul 31 23:39:07 * Cosmo[PB] sighs Aug 01 00:44:51 morning Aug 01 00:47:32 eventually Aug 01 01:29:10 Anyone can help me with a harmattan aplication problem? When i create a QML component and add it to the MainPage.qml i got a blackscreen **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 01 02:59:57 2011