**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 09 02:59:56 2011 Aug 09 03:32:53 morning Aug 09 03:43:03 moaning Aug 09 03:51:03 hi Aug 09 04:06:16 mörning Aug 09 04:52:11 mrlmrlmrmr Aug 09 05:51:30 alrighty thennn Aug 09 05:51:54 i've got bluetooth adapter recognized, and crystalhd driver too, for exopc Aug 09 05:52:00 probably should test them now Aug 09 09:03:20 hello Aug 09 09:03:55 is there any way to install a UX to the terminal only chroot images for n900 Aug 09 09:04:21 *well not really terminal only but TWM + Xterm isnt much of an UI for a phone Aug 09 09:07:12 anyone wanna help me on this? Aug 09 09:07:26 i dont care if i have to compile it myself Aug 09 09:07:44 peterbjornx, try #meego-arm? Aug 09 09:11:08 peterbjornx, I think you can install any UX with zypper Aug 09 09:11:20 peterbjornx, you may have to configure uxlaunch manually. Aug 09 09:20:42 or use aard's ux-selector :) Aug 09 09:22:51 ok Aug 09 09:31:31 Morning, all Aug 09 09:34:18 morning Jaffa \o Aug 09 09:34:28 morning Aug 09 09:36:51 venemo, im sorry to bug you but, what package to install for handset ux? Aug 09 09:37:32 peterbjornx, I've no idea what the packages are called. maybe meegotouch-* Aug 09 09:40:11 peterbjornx, this might help somewhat: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops Aug 09 09:41:52 thanks Aug 09 10:34:26 hi veskuh, Aug 09 10:34:34 hi Aug 09 10:34:40 could you put the patch to upstream as well for But 15407 ? Aug 09 10:35:08 veskuh, ^ Aug 09 10:35:18 yes, I've submitted it to upstream Aug 09 10:35:38 https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-sms/merge_requests/2 Aug 09 10:36:05 ok thanks Aug 09 10:36:07 veskuh, Aug 09 10:41:13 the UK riots are just depressing Aug 09 10:42:43 indeed Aug 09 10:43:08 who needs terrorists when you have "young people" Aug 09 10:44:19 What's good to see though is stuff like #riotcleanup trending on Twitter Aug 09 10:44:31 and people volunteering their time to help out those affected Aug 09 10:46:17 I saw that on the BBC Aug 09 11:00:57 #meego-meeting in just a few minutes: 11:00 N900 Community Edition Team Meetings Aug 09 11:00:57 lcuk: Error: "meego-meeting" is not a valid command. Aug 09 11:51:35 I guess I missed the CO meeting Aug 09 11:52:08 ? Aug 09 11:52:19 how come? Aug 09 11:52:26 wasn't it 2.50 ago ? Aug 09 11:53:14 14 UTC Aug 09 11:53:34 so there's still 2h before it starts Aug 09 11:55:40 what starts? Aug 09 11:55:49 and hi Aug 09 11:55:53 hi html Aug 09 11:56:03 do you leave the channel if /html joins? Aug 09 11:56:18 lbt_hel, \o Aug 09 11:56:34 you just got the tailend of the n900 community meeting Aug 09 11:56:42 i am he Aug 09 11:56:44 ah Aug 09 11:56:59 what happens here? Aug 09 11:57:00 lcuk, i am he , Aug 09 11:57:33 iekku, I thought you were regular here Aug 09 11:57:48 i used to Aug 09 11:58:18 lbt_hel, i solved simple shopfloor multi device layout issue I think Aug 09 11:58:33 ie make all the meego devices show part of same screen Aug 09 11:58:34 lcuk, way back when this was called moblin Aug 09 11:58:43 without cameras and stuff Aug 09 11:58:43 i was Aug 09 11:58:59 i think so Aug 09 12:00:48 lcuk, i have just been in vacation, get married etc, you can't wait that i'm in very sharp condition :P Aug 09 12:00:58 its been since like what veersion .9 to 1.06 since then , and i forget how to get it to work , and how to install it , and change .img it to a .iso Aug 09 12:06:17 well how do i set up meego on a netbook? Aug 09 12:06:36 use a flash drive ? Aug 09 12:07:19 https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook Aug 09 12:07:22 ? Aug 09 12:08:06 how do i get the img to be a iso Aug 09 12:08:13 ? Aug 09 12:09:09 rename it :) Aug 09 12:11:08 "html" is an odd nick Aug 09 12:11:35 is it? Aug 09 12:11:48 my full is html_inprogress Aug 09 12:12:05 i prefer my name Aug 09 12:14:51 html, I don't recognize your nick from the moblin days. Aug 09 12:15:21 well i rember you Aug 09 12:15:24 Either way, the process is still the same, download the image, write it to the usb drive Aug 09 12:15:31 remember you Aug 09 12:15:49 I think the .img can be burned to CD but I haven't installed from CD in …. I forget, it's been a while Aug 09 12:16:02 html: cool. Why do you need to use an ISO btw ? Aug 09 12:16:18 the .img can be burnt to a DVD (it's 1GB) Aug 09 12:16:35 you normally need to rename it from .img to .iso so that software will recognise it Aug 09 12:18:09 man, I'm hungry Aug 09 12:18:17 I should probably get some lunch, but not sure what to get Aug 09 12:18:24 food Aug 09 12:18:28 slaine, pizza Aug 09 12:18:29 that's a good start Aug 09 12:18:47 iekku: I don't eat bread of any sort, so pizza would just be tomato and cheese soup ;) Aug 09 12:19:08 soup, hmmm, perhaps Aug 09 12:19:16 slaine, kebab! Aug 09 12:19:41 thought of that, the nearest kebab place closes on a tuesday for some reason Aug 09 12:20:07 :( Aug 09 12:20:10 I'll take a wander and see what I can see Aug 09 12:20:11 laters Aug 09 12:20:30 maybe they are hunting the kebabanimals on tuesday Aug 09 12:22:38 well i like to have it so i can use it with aka: xboot, yumi, easy 123 installer, so i can use it to try out on my gf nettop , and iso is tha only way the apps im useing well use it,, and in the latter part i hope to assamble the best os in the catorgory to have a all in one , on a hard drive using a muliti-boot,,, Aug 09 12:34:14 w00t_, contacts sync stuff Aug 09 12:34:44 would a web service to push and store your contacts (but not trying to be anything more) be useful? Aug 09 12:36:13 html: but if you put it on a USB device, you can use it without installing or messing up your gf's nettop Aug 09 12:37:56 i know that , but thats the hard thing Aug 09 12:38:18 getting it there Aug 09 12:38:40 bbiab Aug 09 12:39:00 html, how come? Aug 09 12:39:33 html, what OS are you working from Aug 09 12:41:17 ubuntu 10.10 remix ,ms 7 starter Aug 09 12:41:39 linux is what im on now Aug 09 12:42:07 and what is the blocker with creating the the usb disk ? Aug 09 12:42:35 you'd just have to use sudo dd if=/path/to/meego.img of=/dev/ Aug 09 12:42:57 That would boot and run the live env faster than a DVD Aug 09 12:44:13 add bs=1M that dd cmd Aug 09 12:44:13 i think the introduction for adding a image to the usb is good, even i can do that Aug 09 12:44:53 arfoll: I find 2M works better Aug 09 12:46:17 depends on the usb flash drive you're using I guess Aug 09 12:46:23 slaine, always 3.14 for me... Aug 09 12:46:29 :) Aug 09 12:47:55 " bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' Aug 09 12:57:33 ~seen lcuk Aug 09 12:57:38 lcuk was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 18m 58s ago, saying: 'bbiab'. Aug 09 13:02:42 html, I'm guessing that's a cut'n'paste error Aug 09 13:03:10 arfoll: something that's not clear to me, Are the MeeGoTV WG meetings private ? Aug 09 13:04:21 they're phone meetings so yes. but meeting notes are public and open to comments Aug 09 13:05:53 slaine, see the answer you've got at http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-tv/2011-August/000092.html ? Aug 09 13:06:22 slaine, you could ask how to join the phone meeting. I'd be curious for the answer. Aug 09 13:06:57 andre__, answer is going to be join the WG. And well the answer to that is get 'nominated' Aug 09 13:07:24 andre__, arfoll It doesn't mention if they're private or public, just that they are held via the phone. Early discussions iirc, where that it was easier for the people involved in the WG if they where held over the phone as IRC wasn't something they'd be used to Aug 09 13:07:47 arfoll, why should I have to join something just to lurk around at its meetings? Aug 09 13:07:49 If they're private then I guess we're screwed Aug 09 13:08:22 What's private? Aug 09 13:08:35 Something tells me that they are private Aug 09 13:08:36 slaine, well ask ahead, i'd be interested in the response too Aug 09 13:09:28 GAN900, TV Working Group phone conference Aug 09 13:09:56 lol Aug 09 13:10:01 TVs aren't phones! Aug 09 13:10:11 GAN900, thanks for your insight Aug 09 13:10:24 slaine: if you don't ask how to join via phone, I might do it. Aug 09 13:10:25 slaine, please ask again? Aug 09 13:10:34 Working groups are the corporate end Aug 09 13:10:39 I've asked again Aug 09 13:10:55 I don't think there's any requirement that their processes be public. Aug 09 13:11:08 I'm not saying there is Aug 09 13:11:17 GAN900, I don't think anyone is complaining, we're asking if we can join Aug 09 13:11:26 I'm asking for clarification on if we can get involved or not, that's all Aug 09 13:11:31 And if we can't join Aug 09 13:11:35 Then we'll complain Aug 09 13:11:37 lol Aug 09 13:11:38 just you watch Aug 09 13:11:49 :D Aug 09 13:11:51 i believe IVI wg meetings are closed too Aug 09 13:11:54 Save yourself trouble and start complaining right away Aug 09 13:11:58 Thats probably a good reason to keep them private, it'll keep Termana out Aug 09 13:12:01 arfoll, i think that too Aug 09 13:12:07 slaine, heh :p Aug 09 13:14:13 slaine, nice one Aug 09 13:21:19 slaine, looks good sources are in http://build.meego.com/project/show?project=devel%3Atv%3A1.2 Aug 09 13:21:58 but i'll let it be heard on record Aug 09 13:44:49 Community Office meeting starting in 15 minutes in #meego-meeting http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings Aug 09 13:49:07 oh. almost forgot about it. thanks for the reminder DawnFoster Aug 09 14:13:38 ho Aug 09 14:13:40 hi Aug 09 14:13:43 hu Aug 09 14:13:45 hp Aug 09 14:43:17 lcuk: so this was just a publicity stunt :) Aug 09 14:43:41 timoph, not by a long shot. Aug 09 14:44:00 :D Aug 09 14:48:27 i propose banning access to apps.meego.com from the US... Aug 09 14:48:36 lawyers ruining meego... Aug 09 14:50:16 yep. I never stops to amaze me how free sw becomes non-free by crossing the atlantic Aug 09 14:50:20 i/it Aug 09 14:51:10 must be the freedom the sw gains by crossing... Aug 09 14:52:05 :) Aug 09 15:01:56 time for the after meeting party!!! Aug 09 15:01:58 lbt_away: just a thing after the meeting discussion on apps.formeego.org Aug 09 15:02:28 qgil: He's on his way to the airport. Aug 09 15:02:44 we still haven't got an official statement from the LF but this is the MeeGo project and we have seen the opinions in the meeting of DawnFoster and bdub Aug 09 15:02:48 X-Fade how the hell are ya buddy Aug 09 15:03:28 hey wazd Aug 09 15:03:31 to me they count as just as good, or even better since these are the people in charge of the MeeGo project areas that overlap apps.formeego.org Aug 09 15:03:38 qgil: It still feels like we are forking. Aug 09 15:03:46 I was glad to see their comments supporting the initiative, so that's it Aug 09 15:04:01 X-Fade: feelings are subjective ;) Aug 09 15:04:11 qgil your efforts are really appreciated Aug 09 15:04:22 qgil: Oh yes. Aug 09 15:04:37 not sure you know how much ;) Aug 09 15:04:49 X-Fade: as I said, I believe people will understand much better the community apps catalog once they see it up & running for a year or so Aug 09 15:04:53 I don't see the problem Aug 09 15:05:45 (apart from the funding, which seems not to be a short term issue but will be a big mid term issue in future years if nobody else steps in) Aug 09 15:05:45 the *only* potential issue as I see it will be discoverability of *.formeego.com, and as a noisy community we can solve that :D Aug 09 15:05:50 I'm seeing in the same light as rpmfusion for Fedora Aug 09 15:06:04 qgil: I tend to not see problems, but this has left me thinking if it is still worth it. Aug 09 15:06:05 but this is the problem of sustainability any community project has to face - no news Aug 09 15:06:22 So long as there's an easy way to get the repo onto the device, we'll be ok Aug 09 15:06:29 exactly slaine Aug 09 15:06:48 bringing OSS community apps developed by the community for the community and for pure end users is worth it, I think Aug 09 15:06:48 And if there's not, they probably wouldn't have enabled apps.meego.com anyway Aug 09 15:06:49 yep Aug 09 15:06:56 (I think my microphone is off) Aug 09 15:07:02 i quite admire the n950 ability to install .debs directly from browser :) Aug 09 15:07:02 qgil: +1 Aug 09 15:07:20 i'd rather it installed rpms from the the browser but we can setlle Aug 09 15:07:27 lcuk absolutely-- I have been testing that at my-meego.com Aug 09 15:07:27 Texrat: it will be posted prominently on the apps page, so visibility shouldn't be an issue Aug 09 15:07:29 apps.formeego.com/store.deb Aug 09 15:07:36 for instance Aug 09 15:07:48 thanks DawnFoster, but it extends to slaine' Aug 09 15:07:55 But if the biggest corporate sponsor of MeeGo would "prefer" us to use AppUp; and - officially - Nokia makes it more enticing and easier for developers to target Ovi; apps.formeego.org is really only useful if it's going to be used. Aug 09 15:07:56 slaine's point about repos too Aug 09 15:08:22 I don't know if I'd use it if I was a new developer coming to MeeGo/Harmattan when the steer is so clearly elsewhere :-/ Aug 09 15:08:39 most of these questions can be seen differently when looked from the point of view of each MeeGo device appearing in the market Aug 09 15:08:39 Harmattan making it easy to install standalone debs contributes the same way Aug 09 15:08:42 Jaffa: I'd just like to point out that that isn't what I said (in case you were quoting me) Aug 09 15:08:48 the only issue I have with my-meego.com is lack of obvious QA... download Solitaire app to get an idea Aug 09 15:08:54 qgil, im not total sure what you mean but it sounds good , since people make alot of apps , hard to know about something when there no avertasment Aug 09 15:09:08 how can apps.formeego.org be useful to WeTab users, Asus netbook users, N9 users...? etc Aug 09 15:09:09 Jaffa: at least I prefer something that lets me target x86 and arm Aug 09 15:09:10 DawnFoster: No, I know. Aug 09 15:09:16 html as a community we can solve advertisement issues Aug 09 15:09:27 timoph: Indeed. Multiple targets is the big selling point. Aug 09 15:09:27 Jaffa: just being clear to avoid anyone misunderstanding Aug 09 15:09:38 html: have great apps in that catalog and you will see how word spreads Aug 09 15:09:45 Texrat: my-meego.com will suffer the same problems as my-maemo.com. It's dangerous and should be watched carefully. Aug 09 15:09:53 agreed Jaffa Aug 09 15:10:18 Texrat: my-maemo.com always links straight to the latest version which is in -devel. Users think they've found a treasure trove (and the site design is hideous, but that's aesthetic ;-)) Aug 09 15:10:28 has anyone tried to sell apps.*meego.com to wetab? They have an OBS for community apps with a target, it could be a good starting point to get an, albeit small, real vendor using the repo Aug 09 15:10:32 Jaffa my-meego.com *could* induce meego FUD if too many poor apps are available Aug 09 15:10:36 Texrat, i mean aka " tv giude like" Aug 09 15:10:50 would possibly Appup or Ovi stores act as proxying formeego.com apps (for thjeir own architecture only, of course) Aug 09 15:10:54 html well, let's solve that Aug 09 15:11:01 arfoll: They're an obvious sponsoring candidate. Aug 09 15:11:03 * lcuk still feels scope for a meego Mall Aug 09 15:11:14 this is why the apps.formeego.org community QA process is one of its best kept secrets ;) Aug 09 15:11:24 lol qgil Aug 09 15:11:30 Texrat: btw, as forMeeGo com won't be allowed to carry any official MeeGo artwork... I hear you have some connections, any chance to get some things going for that? Aug 09 15:11:59 dm8tbr not sure what you mean... that may require separate conversation Aug 09 15:12:06 qgil: actually that should be ironed out *before* the thing goes live Aug 09 15:12:16 dm8tbr I have same connections you do pretty much ;) Aug 09 15:12:20 Texrat: yes, I'm trying to start one, but we can continue that topic whenever you fell like it Aug 09 15:12:30 why not an "allow partner app stores" in forMeego to automatically submit to Ovi/Appup ? Aug 09 15:12:38 dm8tbr just afraid details would get buried here Aug 09 15:12:39 (if these agree) Aug 09 15:12:47 DawnFoster: The message (from both Nokia and Intel) generally is that their own app stores are the way to go. It's only at the project level that folks like yourself and qgil are encouraging of the community-led approach. That's perfectly commercially understandable - as you pointed out Aug 09 15:12:55 chouchoune, that is a nice idea Aug 09 15:13:00 timoph: of course, and if you notice I've been advocating on spending more time on practical issues like "community QA process" instead of why the LF this, how the software patents that, etc Aug 09 15:13:01 Texrat, its a common and very annoying problem with all of linux, and it has a anti- newbbie effect,,,, Aug 09 15:13:08 dm8tbr would prefer special dialog about that Aug 09 15:13:13 the highest quality apps on formeego could get extra coverage Aug 09 15:13:23 lcuk: thanks ;) Aug 09 15:13:25 agreed html... part of my perosnal mission is to overcome that Aug 09 15:13:31 chouchoune: that is actually a good idea Aug 09 15:13:57 qgil: I'm not completely on page with the latest community QA discussion. could you point me somewhere where I could get up to speed? Aug 09 15:13:58 html that's exactly why I started MeeGo Greeters... we can borrow from that for other purposes Aug 09 15:14:08 of course that also allows for an "this app is originally available on formeego" in the description Aug 09 15:14:16 apps.formeego.org also needs to look for the reason and justification of its existance e.g. before maemo.org/downloads was useful because Ovi would not accept individual developers - now this has changed Aug 09 15:14:23 chouchoune: and that is something where Intel and Nokia could see value for their app stores, once something is gone through apps.formeego it should be less work to take it to appup or ovi Aug 09 15:14:31 timoph: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/QA & meego-community (IIRC) Aug 09 15:14:39 Oh I have an announcement to make: Aug 09 15:14:50 Jaffa: thanks Aug 09 15:14:58 I will be interviewing again soon with a certain Finnish cell phoen company Aug 09 15:15:02 timoph: No-one argued with them, so I assume they're well on their way to being implemented - modulo any pauses from X-Fade et al caused by apps.meego.com confusion Aug 09 15:15:04 timoph: I could point you to the lack of discussion ;) Jaffa has been pushing this in the recent past and I bet he welcomes help Aug 09 15:15:07 Texrat: :) Aug 09 15:15:15 Texrat: Traitor (congrats ;-)) Aug 09 15:15:17 Texrat: going to work for benefon? ;) Aug 09 15:15:23 lcuk: dm8tbr : yes, and I see it also as providing less duplicates, if someone tries to install the app from Appup and forMeego Aug 09 15:15:25 lol dm8tbr Aug 09 15:15:44 no, hopefully in IT for Nokia-- the one area so far immune from business changes :D Aug 09 15:15:46 qgil: I'll have a look and think about it a bit and start making noise :) Aug 09 15:15:57 ok, now I have to go through 100 cadidates to get N950 to bring more OSS to apps.formeego.org... ;) Aug 09 15:16:02 qgil we may be colleagues again soon ;) Aug 09 15:16:16 no n9 in canada? sad. Aug 09 15:16:23 qgil we need to talk about that review process... separate conversation? Aug 09 15:16:23 Texrat, telll me more. pleasee.. Aug 09 15:16:27 timoph: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2011-May/001368.html Aug 09 15:16:30 * thiago is waiting for the N9 to go on sales Aug 09 15:16:32 html about what Aug 09 15:16:35 hopefully it will be soon Aug 09 15:16:50 Texrat: yes, separate.. and once the current 300 are on their way please Aug 09 15:16:50 * dm8tbr wants to order the N9 as his business phone Aug 09 15:16:53 thiago: Seen http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/ ? :-( Aug 09 15:17:12 * thiago isn't in america Aug 09 15:17:12 qgil I'm trying to help you with current 50 N950s but we need to talk Aug 09 15:18:24 qgil should I email you? Aug 09 15:18:29 Texrat: I really plan to get a friend for the 15 remaining devices - if you have any input please let me know asap Aug 09 15:18:46 ok qgil Aug 09 15:18:52 people seen this? http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/ Aug 09 15:18:52 thanks Texrat Aug 09 15:19:06 * thiago can travel to Finland to get the N9 Aug 09 15:19:10 qgil did you see the concern about the wiki entries being deleted? Aug 09 15:19:28 thiago get one for me too buddy :D Aug 09 15:19:36 arfoll: and if you read the text, you see Engadget missed one word in the header: "yet" Aug 09 15:19:56 * slaine pictures thiago getting stopped at customer with a bag full of N9's Aug 09 15:19:59 Texrat: yes, of course I saw that Aug 09 15:20:03 thiago, well its speculative news as always... Aug 09 15:20:04 thiago: C'mon, that's pretty standard corporate speak for "we have no plans" - which means it ain't gonna happen without a decision being changed. Aug 09 15:20:25 Stops it competing with the WP7 phone when they ship it Aug 09 15:20:48 ^ or delay it so they can have the N10 as the high end WP phone Aug 09 15:20:56 they'll limit the choice to WP7 devices in key markets that they want to claw back market share Aug 09 15:21:06 Jaffa: there's a certain amount of devices that can be produced per unit of time Aug 09 15:21:16 so the company decides where to send the first units Aug 09 15:21:23 there's always the internet as well, you can buy online these days :) Aug 09 15:21:24 it has happened before, with other devices Aug 09 15:21:33 thiago I've seen how fast the Nokia phones are cranked out ;) Aug 09 15:22:30 but if you buy on the net, you have to make sure the phoen you buy will be compatible with your carrier Aug 09 15:23:01 jedix if they're unlocked it's just a matter of bands, which are public knowledge Aug 09 15:23:08 yeah Aug 09 15:23:33 I wouldn't be surprised if the Canada bands are ignored Aug 09 15:23:40 pity of course for anyone stuck on CDMA ;) Aug 09 15:23:51 another probklem is, where to buy (even online) Aug 09 15:23:55 jedix I doubt that Aug 09 15:24:00 Nokia has regional warranty I think Aug 09 15:24:16 good point chouchoune that can be an issue Aug 09 15:24:21 so buy at your own risk Aug 09 15:24:33 I had that issue after buying my N900 in Dubai ;) Aug 09 15:24:41 there was a lOT of that Aug 09 15:24:53 who wants to be any N9 at nokia care will be swapped for a WP? Aug 09 15:24:54 Texrat: I know. But I also know the expected volume for the N9 (information several months old) Aug 09 15:24:54 it was a warranty in the Gulf region only Aug 09 15:25:26 arfoll broken N900s are now swapped for N8s ;) Aug 09 15:25:31 Or E7s Aug 09 15:25:35 yeah Aug 09 15:25:42 kinda random Aug 09 15:25:54 or even C6s Aug 09 15:25:58 ack Aug 09 15:26:06 Texrat, thats what i was refering to Aug 09 15:26:06 (heard about that earlier today) Aug 09 15:26:10 DawnFoster: Thanks for the meeting - I got a lot out of that, but didn't get to ask my AOB question about governance processes for the Project Aug 09 15:26:44 Jaffa: yeah, we didn't have time for aob Aug 09 15:27:40 DawnFoster: Got distracted by colleagues asking work questions anyway about some enhancement they're working on Aug 09 15:27:54 slaine, you saw the answer? Can't say i'm surprised Aug 09 15:28:31 arfoll: Yeah, good answer Aug 09 15:29:37 sorry, irc client fail Aug 09 15:29:43 arfoll: yes, it was a good answer Aug 09 15:29:49 (not sure if that went through) Aug 09 15:30:08 slaine, yeah it did Aug 09 15:30:53 you going to try join? Aug 09 15:30:56 ok, i'm off Aug 09 15:31:11 arfoll: not sure, WG seems to be industry related Aug 09 15:31:26 I'll probably try and just be more pro-active at a community contribution level Aug 09 15:32:25 yeah i'm not to sure there is much point as a community member. I hope they get us some FOSS GStreamer dvb* sources though Aug 09 15:32:47 ok, commute time Aug 09 15:32:49 laters Aug 09 15:34:39 gotta get back to work, later all. Should be interviewing at Nokia again next week. :) Aug 09 15:35:18 :) Aug 09 15:35:22 Good luck. Aug 09 15:46:29 Jaffa: no wonder I missed the ml conversation on the QA since it happened in meego-sdk :/ Aug 09 16:00:10 timoph: Affects app developers; that's what -sdk is for - although you're right, could do with more visibility Aug 09 16:03:45 Jaffa: I'll post some thoughts about it to -community and reference the original discussion Aug 09 16:59:15 anybody know how the desktop summit is going? Aug 09 16:59:29 and whether any cool cross platform apps have been announced ? Aug 09 17:02:51 I just noticed that we've had a huge sexual liberation in Finland within the last few years Aug 09 17:02:55 timoph: oThanks, replied Aug 09 17:03:26 2-3 years ago most of my friends told that iPhone is for homosexuals Aug 09 17:03:43 nowadays most of my friends have an iPhone... Aug 09 17:04:44 Jartza, have they become homosexuals? Aug 09 17:05:24 I haven't asked Aug 09 17:05:36 I just jumped into conclusions :) Aug 09 17:08:46 not that there's anything wrong with that Aug 09 17:12:12 NICE! just got modRana running on the N950 :) Aug 09 17:12:18 with PyGTK :) Aug 09 17:14:22 M4rtinK2, what is modRana Aug 09 17:15:11 Venemo_N950: http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools#modRana Aug 09 17:15:18 a GPS navigation system Aug 09 17:16:24 can't open the link, sorry Aug 09 17:16:46 it isn't highlighted, nor can I select text :( Aug 09 17:17:05 I have to implement either of those in my irc client Aug 09 17:17:40 project website is: http://www.modrana.org Aug 09 17:18:04 and there is a lively thread on talk.maemo.org Aug 09 17:19:21 :) Aug 09 17:19:21 ok, I'll look at it Aug 09 17:29:12 Jartza, please tweet that. Aug 09 17:36:09 GAN900: I don't use twitter :P Aug 09 17:36:22 Jartza, then register just to tweet that. Aug 09 17:40:13 lcuk, desktop summit is going well, but what should be cross platform apps? Aug 09 17:40:54 (missed the Community Office meeting as the network was down, as usual at conferences) Aug 09 17:41:04 andre__, apps which help keep your mobile and household updated Aug 09 17:41:12 like the calendar etc Aug 09 17:41:20 lcuk, maybe in talks that I didn't attend. :-P Aug 09 17:41:25 with more and more desktops getting touchscreens Aug 09 17:41:34 andre__, well what good stuff have you seen? Aug 09 17:41:38 calendar? I cannot imagine to have that cross-desktop with backends like akonadi and evo-data-server... Aug 09 17:42:01 lcuk, I saw how to make a toaster from scratch by starting to search for copper in old mines Aug 09 17:42:08 that was the most interesting talk. Aug 09 17:42:31 (what I wanted to express: *really* from scratch) Aug 09 17:42:43 haha nice Aug 09 17:43:21 lcuk, but apart from that, probably look out for #desktopsummit and #ds2011 on the microblogging services, or read planet kde and planet gnome... Aug 09 17:43:25 andre__, difference between imagining and have a friendly set of apps which end users can configure etc Aug 09 17:43:34 andre__: it wasn't down for me, but it was disconnecting too often Aug 09 17:43:36 andre__, I have been doing Aug 09 17:43:48 Gentlemen, could someone help me with QMainWindows? Aug 09 17:44:00 thiago, at least for my N900 it didn't work at all today Aug 09 17:44:05 Can I have more than one in my app? If not, how can I safely swap content in the same QMainWindow? Aug 09 17:44:12 my laptop had to try for 5 minutes before it associated Aug 09 17:44:18 thiago, urgh Aug 09 17:44:28 the N900 isn't that patient Aug 09 17:44:35 and my little N900 is not as strong as your big laptop :-( Aug 09 17:45:44 RST38h: see http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qmainwindow.html#setCentralWidget Aug 09 17:47:01 thiago, what has been your favourite session so far? Aug 09 17:47:09 weggi: thank you, I have used this function, it crashes when I switch back to my original widget with setCentralwidget() Aug 09 17:47:39 Did you notice that setCentralWidget takes ownership of the widget you pass to it? Aug 09 17:47:47 yes. Aug 09 17:48:12 So it will be deleted after you set new central widget Aug 09 17:48:25 lcuk: personally, I was most paying attention to the one on the KDE 5 Frameworks Aug 09 17:48:34 lcuk: but I quite liked the Massif visualiser one Aug 09 17:48:45 lcuk: keynotes were quite interesting Aug 09 17:48:46 RST38h: And when you "switch back" you have to create new instance of your original content. Aug 09 17:49:04 and, of course, Dirk Hohndel's keynote :-) Aug 09 17:49:06 thiago, there has been quite some interest in kde on harmattan Aug 09 17:49:12 yup Aug 09 17:49:16 did you see contour? Aug 09 17:49:28 * thiago was at the cross-platform development limitations Aug 09 17:49:30 nope, what is that Aug 09 17:50:19 the new plasma-tablet activities Aug 09 17:50:35 cool, can they work on meego too? Aug 09 17:50:43 aseigo was showing a tablet with plasma-tablet running on meego Aug 09 17:50:47 find him :-) Aug 09 17:50:50 \o/ Aug 09 17:50:53 I am not at the conf Aug 09 17:51:01 there must be videos Aug 09 17:51:14 it clearly showed that the Qt graphics performance on Atom chips isn't great Aug 09 17:51:21 really? Aug 09 17:51:35 * lcuk never noticed any kind of graphics issues on ideapad Aug 09 17:51:46 running basically anything Aug 09 17:52:04 I think the ideapad is more powerful than the wetab or exopc Aug 09 17:52:09 the x86 branch of meego has always been high performance compared to the scraping for fps Aug 09 17:52:11 on arm Aug 09 17:53:28 * lcuk remembers telling intel to slow down their chips because code was running too quick Aug 09 17:53:36 hehehe Aug 09 17:53:40 nfact, I probably said the same at n810 -> n900 transition Aug 09 17:53:55 we'll just put more stuff for it to do Aug 09 17:53:59 yeah Aug 09 17:54:09 but if you say it is already having perf issues Aug 09 17:54:22