**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 12 02:59:59 2011 Aug 12 03:08:33 does meego 1.2 netbook have soft keyboard support? Aug 12 03:08:36 I want to install this on my tablet Aug 12 03:09:02 and if possible, keep the tabbed netbook interface Aug 12 03:09:29 last time I poked around the tablet interface the experience I was looking for just wasn't there Aug 12 03:11:43 uptime Aug 12 03:11:47 23:09:40 up 15:03, 5 users, load average: 0.15, 0.61, 0.78 Aug 12 03:11:51 good night Aug 12 04:33:16 kamui, there is a way to get soft keyboard on netbook (Lenove S10) that I saw posted on somebody's blog. I tried and it worked. If I poke around, I can probably find the link,. Aug 12 04:37:33 I found something useful Alison_Chaiken thanks Aug 12 04:37:41 what im struggling iwth is a stupidly slow response time from the repos Aug 12 04:37:46 makign it impossible to do anything Aug 12 04:47:08 are there mirrors for zypper repositories Aug 12 04:47:09 ? Aug 12 04:47:23 im having a hell of a dtime with download.meego.com Aug 12 05:16:20 is there a nightly image that has a 2.6.39 or later kernel Aug 12 05:16:29 Im having hell getting the software list to refresh Aug 12 05:16:37 starting to think it might be wifi drivers in this tablet Aug 12 05:21:43 you might need to mic2 the image yourself. I think i've seen 2.6.39 or 3.0 meego kernels around, at least experimental. also depends ono the hardware etc Aug 12 05:21:59 pinetrail Aug 12 05:22:14 I can't seem to download it using zypper Aug 12 05:22:18 download stalls pretty fast Aug 12 05:22:21 so I manually downlaoded the rpm Aug 12 05:22:32 but its griping about a dependency to hardlink Aug 12 05:22:55 I could always ignore the dep, but I have no idea how to activate the new kernel at that point Aug 12 05:23:11 kamui, did you copy a file in /usr/lib or /lib where you should have symlinked it? Aug 12 05:23:25 no, the download is an rpm Aug 12 05:23:36 kernel-adaptation-pinetrail....rpm Aug 12 05:23:42 What does the error message say about hardlinks then? Aug 12 05:24:29 failed dep: hardlink is needed by kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-devel-2.6.39 Aug 12 05:24:52 install it then :) Aug 12 05:24:59 Ah, I saw that message before: you need to zypper install hardlink! Aug 12 05:25:37 hmm Aug 12 05:25:42 that aint gonna work too well Aug 12 05:25:45 zypper isn't installing crap for me Aug 12 05:25:50 thats why I did the manual download Aug 12 05:25:58 let me look for the hardlink package Aug 12 05:26:40 hmm is the weekend starting early in the US this week? Aug 12 05:27:54 Nope, no holidays here, although of course it's a time of year when a lot of folks are on vacation. Aug 12 05:30:56 * dm8tbr won't cry wolf just yet, but my icinga monitoring tells me a story Aug 12 05:31:15 I guess I'll take a shower, get breakfast and see how things are then Aug 12 05:33:04 ok, it installed Aug 12 05:33:11 so a reboot is all I should need I suppose Aug 12 05:33:20 if this fails, im gonna have to hang it up for tonight Aug 12 05:33:41 success :) Aug 12 05:33:47 now if I can only fix my damn repo problem Aug 12 05:54:57 ah, was just one of those 30min 'network' problems it seems. obs is back Aug 12 06:09:00 morning Aug 12 07:25:04 Snort: http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1764714 Aug 12 07:25:19 Check out M.S. and Bada. "Two turkeys don't make an eagle." Aug 12 07:26:02 nice stats Aug 12 07:53:30 http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/285086_233561106680600_232804136756297_601777_381169_n.jpg Aug 12 07:53:45 er I mean morning Aug 12 07:54:47 ohh, I want one! :P Aug 12 07:56:43 brik: you may also like: http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/282143_233560800013964_232804136756297_601768_8100641_n.jpg Aug 12 07:57:34 lol.. Aug 12 08:00:56 I love that people are tagged in them Aug 12 09:22:44 morning meego folks Aug 12 09:23:19 morning' Aug 12 09:23:48 * lcuk looks at todays agenda Aug 12 09:24:52 lcuk, my agenda is good Aug 12 09:25:15 lcuk, finalize tomorrows presentation, enjoy your life, don't do work Aug 12 09:38:12 hi, I am trying to install meego on my N900 Aug 12 09:38:33 following http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC Aug 12 09:40:14 I power on the device, connect it to my openSuSE 11.4 Aug 12 09:40:25 choose PC suit mode on N900 Aug 12 09:41:13 I run the bellowed command, and got response like this Aug 12 09:41:14 ./n900-de-emmc-installer.sh -i ./mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 -f -k ./mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1-vmlinuz-2.6.37-24.2.DE-adaptation-n900 Aug 12 09:41:16 *** WARNING: This will over write your device's eMMC and harm your maemo5 installation. Use this at your own risk. *** Aug 12 09:41:17 Please turn your device off, connect usb cable to it. Press enter when you are ready to start the installation. After pressing enter power on the device. Aug 12 09:41:19 ctrl+c to abort Aug 12 09:41:20 flashing initramfs image Aug 12 09:41:22 flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) Aug 12 09:41:23 USB device found found at bus 002, device address 034. Aug 12 09:41:25 Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy Aug 12 09:41:26 flashing done Aug 12 09:53:11 * CosmoHill silences a hard drive by putting a cushion on top of it Aug 12 09:53:51 =-O Aug 12 09:54:06 :D Aug 12 09:55:52 wait, that sounds like I'm trying to murder it Aug 12 09:56:07 (I am but that's not the point) Aug 12 09:56:15 yes Aug 12 09:56:17 :D Aug 12 09:57:38 (fyi I literary put a cushion on top of it) Aug 12 11:06:36 is there a possibility to make some widget for n950? Aug 12 11:06:44 i have some nice idea for one Aug 12 11:07:13 whats the nice idea Aug 12 11:07:19 widget == it is placed on desktop Aug 12 11:08:16 <_nicolai_> X-Fade, I would like to get access for build.pub.meego.com. My meego.com username is nicolai. I am one of the n950 devkit participants. Aug 12 11:09:06 lcuk, i will share the code, but for now it is a secret :P Aug 12 11:09:28 it will be free Aug 12 11:09:45 _nicolai_: Ok, you should be able to login now. Aug 12 11:09:49 gabriel9, I know all about widgets and what they are Aug 12 11:11:17 <_nicolai_> X-Fade, it works, thank you. Aug 12 11:13:52 lcuk, is there widgets for meego? Aug 12 11:14:01 like examples Aug 12 11:14:42 this weekend i will try to code something i give you links so you which have device can test is if you are willing Aug 12 11:22:22 hi, does anyone here successfully installed meego 1.2 on N900 ? Aug 12 11:22:44 I try to follow the doc on wiki, it seems the usb interface is not probed correctly Aug 12 11:37:20 ok, do anyone of you know is there any plans to nokia publish n9 with keyboard? Aug 12 11:37:43 you mean the n950? Aug 12 11:38:01 i just broke my old phone, and display is all broken, i can use it little more and wait Aug 12 11:38:08 n950 is developer device Aug 12 11:38:13 indeed it is Aug 12 11:38:21 so i can't get it Aug 12 11:38:22 :/ Aug 12 11:38:24 i tried Aug 12 11:38:33 but it wasnt at first Aug 12 11:38:54 yea i know :( Aug 12 11:39:09 politics and economy are evil Aug 12 11:40:12 will be there more devices for free form nokia developers program? Aug 12 11:40:24 I wouldn't hold my breath but you never know Aug 12 11:41:03 only time will tell imo :) Aug 12 11:42:00 oh, well i will try to develop something on emulator Aug 12 11:44:01 you said your screen is all broken, but couldn't you in theory get away by hooking your old phone up with TV screen? Aug 12 11:45:12 plus I'm sure there's spare parts floating around for most phones on the internet. I'm sure they could be of help if you're handy with d-i-y job Aug 12 11:45:49 it's nokia 5100 Aug 12 11:45:56 7 years old :( Aug 12 11:45:59 ahh Aug 12 11:46:16 so many memories :( Aug 12 11:46:20 Wirta: no, I mean N900 Aug 12 11:46:33 the one shipped with meamo5 when I bought it Aug 12 11:47:00 oh sry, my reply was ment for gabriel9 Aug 12 11:47:17 oops, sorry Aug 12 11:47:24 np :) Aug 12 11:47:59 *counts 7 years back using his head* 2004? hmm I guess they probably wouldn't supply nokia A/V cables. I was sort of assuming you had a more recent phone.. maybe something even like Nokia Nseries. afaik N95-1 does provide A/V cables as well as N900 Aug 12 11:49:15 5100 is great, indestructible phone Aug 12 11:49:21 but old Aug 12 11:49:56 http://www.lcd-screen-repair.net/Nokia/Nokia-5100-LCD-screen.html <-- this? Aug 12 11:51:40 not that I recommend/condone but I guess there are a few online shops that still stocks them. Aug 12 11:52:32 do they ship to bosnia and hercegovina? Aug 12 11:52:55 it will travel for 10-15 days min Aug 12 11:53:27 `Worldwide Ship, Some products will be shipped out from HongKong warehouse. Ship from USA by USPS, and only to BILL ADDRESS.' Aug 12 11:58:29 i will see about that Aug 12 11:59:02 i still need to check did anything else broke on the phone Aug 12 11:59:14 again, I insist that I don't recommend/condone :) make sure you do thorough research where possible on the shop's background prior to purchasing Aug 12 12:02:38 * CosmoHill is watching kick-ass Aug 12 12:02:50 heh that movie Aug 12 12:02:58 okay, daddy shot his kid Aug 12 12:03:11 psycho_oreos thanks Aug 12 12:03:22 kid doesn't die, but weird twist Aug 12 12:03:29 gabriel9, nw Aug 12 12:03:41 well i need to buy some developer phone Aug 12 12:03:45 * CosmoHill avoided the film cos he thought it was poopoo Aug 12 12:03:56 i work with programming every day Aug 12 12:04:11 and my colleagues have space phones Aug 12 12:04:43 I love N900, I couldn't get N950 but regardless N900 can still offer plenty of fun. I actually have two N900 Aug 12 12:04:48 and i have some plans for some aps for phones Aug 12 12:05:12 plus for meego work, N900 is like a bridge across :) Aug 12 12:05:35 i was thinking about n900 but i wait for n9/50 Aug 12 12:06:25 N9 isn't going to be sold officially in certain countries. N950 still remains to be a devel device (very sad) Aug 12 12:06:38 they say it will go out next month Aug 12 12:06:40 n9 Aug 12 12:08:02 yup, I've confirmed that with my local phone retailer when I went to pay my bill for contracted N900 :) Aug 12 12:08:18 costume? check! stab proof vest? er no. the green cross code? nope Aug 12 12:09:32 nokia be smart and give us n9 with keyboard Aug 12 12:09:37 I sorta wished I never bothered watching that movie but *shrugs* I guess its too late to change the past Aug 12 12:09:43 dont push me to go and buy htc :) Aug 12 12:11:54 well if N9 is going to be the last official Nokia Meego work, there aren't that many other alternative platforms to choose from :) The next closest mostly open relative would be OpenMoko followed by the distant Android, all running linux kernel. Aug 12 12:13:08 I personally wouldn't buy Sea Ray or whatever other phone Nokia decides to roll out with Mango. If N9 is going to be the last device with Nokia Meego work, so be it.. I'll move to some other brand/platform Aug 12 12:13:18 psycho_oreos: i must go and work Aug 12 12:13:25 my boss is gone kill me Aug 12 12:13:37 see ya on weekend :) Aug 12 12:13:40 gabriel9, haha been there gone through that (almost got killed) Aug 12 12:13:44 have fun! ;) Aug 12 12:13:50 you too Aug 12 12:14:03 I finished work long ago, luckily enough Aug 12 12:26:43 so given that meego will be used on various devices and we have availability for numerous stores Aug 12 12:27:23 are there a set of app guidelines which span the various options Aug 12 12:27:53 something we can steer eople towards to generate apps which should be compatible with the options Aug 12 12:28:43 psycho_oreos: I found the twist Aug 12 12:28:50 I have had a look around the wiki and not found anytihng Aug 12 12:29:22 * lcuk ponders doing an indepth review of the store policies and guidelines and making proper set of documentation for store submissions Aug 12 12:29:24 * lcuk ponders Aug 12 12:29:25 lcuk: that's one of the things compliance is supposed to help with Aug 12 12:29:31 berndhs, yes Aug 12 12:29:49 but putting it in terms of where a developer should be working towards Aug 12 12:30:06 compliance for meego is not the same as the requirements per store Aug 12 12:30:09 though it is close Aug 12 12:30:30 let's ignore the N9 case for purposes of this discussion :) Aug 12 12:30:43 we should not Aug 12 12:31:02 lcuk: No, meego is just about technical compliance. Different apps in different ux's do not make sense in many cases Aug 12 12:31:09 although, if you can make apps that work on N9-harmattan and tablet-meego, that would be a good start I think Aug 12 12:31:16 veskuh, that is my point Aug 12 12:31:24 lcuk: as UX is different cross platform is not possible Aug 12 12:31:25 people coming to meego to make apps Aug 12 12:31:35 veskuh, not technically true Aug 12 12:31:47 i have same apps running on handset as on my netbook/slate Aug 12 12:32:01 lcuk: well, ok. apps work and if concepts are close then ok Aug 12 12:32:16 lcuk: but nothing in meego says that your ux has to be this or that Aug 12 12:32:16 the only reason the majority are not like that is because of incompatibilities Aug 12 12:32:23 for sure Aug 12 12:32:49 that is why having some guidelines and writeups on the wiki along with some real apps put into the stores following them Aug 12 12:32:50 and because people focus on the specifics of a UX and exploit all features Aug 12 12:34:30 something like best practices may work here, but still if radical devices come out, it is likely that there is UX changes there Aug 12 12:35:07 what's radical about, say, the N9 UX ? Aug 12 12:35:41 No buttons Aug 12 12:35:55 you can make buttons in your app if you want Aug 12 12:36:18 Well, that's the point. If you add close button, then it doesnt feel like harmattan app anymore. Aug 12 12:36:36 But for meego handset you would expect to have the button Aug 12 12:36:40 why would you care if it doesn't look like Nokia made it ? Aug 12 12:37:15 I like consitency in my device, but I'm no UX expert Aug 12 12:37:18 suppose you are writing the SlicedBread app, better than any bread app before Aug 12 12:37:55 ok then how do you make choices within an app ? Aug 12 12:39:57 berndhs: I dont think there is right or wrong here. Sometimes distinctive UX is good, sometimes more platform look Aug 12 12:40:08 sure Aug 12 12:40:32 if the app has a distinct identity, you want to see that Aug 12 12:40:38 true Aug 12 12:40:42 like games Aug 12 12:40:57 if the app does a system-type function you would want it to look like the system its on Aug 12 12:42:29 berndhs: but back to meego, I do not think compliance says almost anything about what kind of ux concept the devices have. Aug 12 12:42:56 therefore it is hard to make any guidelines about what would be good programming for cross platform meego apps Aug 12 12:43:07 i dont think so either, i think it just tries to make sure apps install and run Aug 12 12:43:08 we can make guidelines based on current situation Aug 12 12:43:35 yep, well that is the thing I says as "techincal compliance" Aug 12 12:43:48 veskuh, does angry birds follow the guidelines of the device? Aug 12 12:43:56 or has that trailblazed its own Aug 12 12:44:03 which span multiple devices and uxes? Aug 12 12:44:22 #i see angry birds on loads of different things Aug 12 12:44:24 lcuk: Error: "i" is not a valid command. Aug 12 12:44:32 #we then :P Aug 12 12:44:32 lcuk: Error: "we" is not a valid command. Aug 12 12:45:25 lcuk: well, like most games it has its own style of ui Aug 12 12:45:33 lcuk: on every platform Aug 12 12:46:16 do people complain there that it does not use the system defined ux? Aug 12 12:46:27 you could make the point that the app should be distinctive, so you can see what app is running Aug 12 12:46:57 btw, i *adore* the harmattan ux Aug 12 12:47:03 it is very swish Aug 12 12:47:09 phone dialer should look different from gps navigator Aug 12 12:47:16 and having collection of apps using it is a great thing Aug 12 12:47:29 I am just looking at the whole thing Aug 12 12:47:50 berndhs, calculator + dialer are things often confused at a glance Aug 12 12:48:22 right, so it would make sense to make then visually more different Aug 12 12:48:27 they do Aug 12 12:48:36 but still big screen full of numberpad Aug 12 12:49:00 so we need a better look for a dialer, or for a calculator :) Aug 12 12:49:08 where on my harmattan device it says "developer edition Aug 12 12:49:14 i might quite like a watermark of phone Aug 12 12:49:30 so that the "at a glance" lets you see the dialer Aug 12 12:49:39 right, that's one good way Aug 12 12:49:59 maybe make the watermark fade a bit once you started dialing Aug 12 12:50:18 infact, like that einstein monroe picture Aug 12 12:50:23 from afar you can tell its a phone Aug 12 12:50:26 or calc Aug 12 12:50:32 from close its the actual thing Aug 12 12:51:11 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-px27pddStB0/TaVh8NhmRCI/AAAAAAAAAKg/gHJz7D8nQ8o/s1600/illusion-einstein-monroe.jpg Aug 12 12:52:21 vgrade just mentioned that nvidia want a meego image Aug 12 12:52:54 I'll make one for them Aug 12 12:54:02 what for :O Aug 12 12:54:27 I'll make it for the money they send me :) Aug 12 13:05:26 "it looks even cooler than it did in the picture" "that's cos in the picture it didn't have gaterling guns" Aug 12 13:09:45 hi all Aug 12 13:09:56 root@meego-netbook-sdk:~/Settings/MeeGo# ls Aug 12 13:09:57 favorite-applications.conf meego-ux-components.conf Aug 12 13:10:04 which package provides these files? Aug 12 13:12:42 vignatti, hm not sure Aug 12 13:16:28 could anyone tell me how close are the qt-components for MeeGo and the tablet UX components? Aug 12 13:16:51 eg. if I write an app with qt-components for MeeGo, will it run and look good in Intel's tablex UX? Aug 12 13:17:25 lcuk: quite funny, I have it here in one chroot environment but not in the other Aug 12 13:17:32 but we need those, it seems Aug 12 13:18:56 Venemo: That's a good question. I do not think many people have tried that. I'm pretty sure there are incomptibilites so you will need to do porting Aug 12 13:19:33 Venemo: Also meego-ux assumes that apps are just qml+js and in QtComponets we assume that you compile them as real binaries Aug 12 13:20:11 Venemo: meego-ux seems to be work on-going so compatibility might get better Aug 12 13:20:49 but as both share common roots, there should be similiar concepts and componets at least Aug 12 13:21:07 mhm... Aug 12 13:21:18 can't I just install qt-components onto a system running meego-ux Aug 12 13:22:09 Technically yes. Our next MeeGo CE release will have both. Aug 12 13:22:39 now that sounds nice Aug 12 13:34:13 veskuh, technically isn't that similar to installing gtk and qt on same device? Aug 12 13:34:42 pretty much yes. Aug 12 13:35:23 since it is qml, we should be trying to find the common elements and making a middle ground set Aug 12 13:35:34 but that will just end up leading to 3 sets of qml things Aug 12 13:36:01 the meego-ce will be better :) Aug 12 13:36:18 i wonder if stskeeps has done an open source percentage report for harmattan Aug 12 13:39:54 veskuh, does having the qml/js embedded make a difference? Aug 12 13:40:05 can the app actually tell whether it is compiled or included? Aug 12 13:40:35 Well, it is mostly just about wrapping the app Aug 12 13:41:00 so qml/js app you would start with qmlviewer or on meego-ux meego-ux-runner Aug 12 13:41:12 and embedded you would start the binary Aug 12 13:41:21 for the qml/js code itself it does not matter Aug 12 13:41:38 but the runtime exposes certain properties in meego-ux Aug 12 13:42:07 that is good Aug 12 13:42:08 so you cannot run qml/js designed for meego-ux without the runner Aug 12 13:42:21 at least as far as I know Aug 12 13:42:25 or without another wrapper? Aug 12 13:42:56 yes, there may be a lib that you can use as c++ developer that would do the same for your app Aug 12 13:44:40 veskuh, is there a complete api/class tree in the documentation for ux components Aug 12 13:44:57 something that can be compared between the two versions and a plan of action made Aug 12 13:45:09 I wanna ask a question: have any of you guys participated in Intel's ExoPC device program at meego.com? Aug 12 13:45:09 * CosmoHill looks at Oracle jobs Aug 12 13:48:15 we went to their session in SF Aug 12 13:48:32 lcuk: I do not know where the docs for meego-ux are, but I'm pretty sure they are availabl. Aug 12 13:48:39 lcuk: for qt-components: http://library.developer.nokia.com/index.jsp?topic=/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API/html/qt-components/qt-components.html Aug 12 13:48:42 Venemo: I did Aug 12 13:49:28 brik, whos session? Aug 12 13:49:31 veskuh, thanks Aug 12 13:49:58 lcuk: meego-ux at least some version here: http://apidocs.meego.com/git-tip/meego-ux-components/ Aug 12 13:50:30 berndhs, can you share with me your experience? Aug 12 13:50:51 haven't heard back from anyone Aug 12 13:52:43 berndhs, so they haven't sent you an ExoPC? Aug 12 13:52:50 lcuk: intel's appup/exopc session Aug 12 13:53:15 no they haven't even replied whether they will do it or not Aug 12 13:53:29 maybe they will, i dont know Aug 12 13:53:36 berndhs, how long ago did you apply? Aug 12 13:53:55 on he website ? don't know maybe 6 weeks or so Aug 12 13:54:26 meh! Aug 12 13:57:26 brik, cool Aug 12 13:57:46 so, if I apply for an ExoPC, is there any chance that I will actually get one? Aug 12 13:57:56 how would I know ? Aug 12 13:57:58 :) Aug 12 13:58:36 dunno, but other 440 people are reading this channel. maybe someone knows Aug 12 14:14:16 Venemo: I think the people who would know are in Portland... and probably just waking up and brushing your teeth. Aug 12 14:14:30 s/your teeth/their teeth/ Aug 12 14:14:30 gabrbedd meant: Venemo: I think the people who would know are in Portland... and probably just waking up and brushing their teeth. Aug 12 14:14:38 gabrbedd, Portland? Aug 12 14:14:40 (yeah... that would be akward) Aug 12 14:15:03 Porland, Oregon USA... home of the Intel Open Source Development Labs Aug 12 14:15:29 Anyway, that's where Dawn Foster is based... and she's one of the heads of the comm. device program. Aug 12 14:15:53 Texrat would have an idea also... but he's not usually on IRC. Aug 12 14:16:39 Venemo: but one thing's for sure... if you don't apply then your chances are nil. Aug 12 14:17:08 gabrbedd, yeah, Isee Aug 12 14:17:27 if I applied and succeeded for the N950 program, do I still have chance at the ExoPC? Aug 12 14:20:47 just asking because now I will have made a wealth of apps in QML, so I want them to not go into waste and also port them to MeeGo's tablet UX Aug 12 14:21:09 and it would be convenient to have a tablet to do this Aug 12 14:26:10 Venemo: My guess is that you probably do... since the 2 programs have different sponsors. Aug 12 14:27:34 also, the 150 expPCs have been available for a few months, so there doesnt seem to be a shortage Aug 12 14:28:43 what meego build do the exopcs come wit by default? Aug 12 14:32:36 anyone using meego 1.2 can you confirm that a zypper update operation is supposed to take a long ass time? Aug 12 14:33:04 I've tried 2 different wireless networks, and at this point I can' t determine if its a problem with my wifi drivers, or just the site is under heavy load Aug 12 14:33:26 ping responses are under 100ms, and browsing websites seem fine Aug 12 14:35:52 lcuk: At meegoconf they came with the 1.2-pre-alpha Tablet UX. I doubt if they've reinstalled any other version. And they might come blank. Aug 12 14:36:20 maybe they come with windows :) Aug 12 14:36:52 gabrbedd, good Aug 12 14:36:59 I should apply for one along with other stuff Aug 12 14:37:33 but I prefer devices with a keyboard but could handle without Aug 12 14:37:54 do we have any htc people around? Aug 12 14:42:52 berndhs: actually, they might. I know they come with the windows key/sticker. Aug 12 14:43:47 that is unfortunate Aug 12 14:43:59 devices for a purpose should remain with the os Aug 12 14:44:03 to help stabilise it Aug 12 14:44:10 * lcuk uses meego netbook oon ideapad Aug 12 14:44:17 because I got it from meego conf Aug 12 14:44:41 question: has anybody done any kind of COMET code, long polling stuff? Aug 12 14:45:14 lcuk: IIRC, the Ideapads at Dublin /did/ come with Windows on them. Aug 12 14:45:31 gabrbedd, first boot occured with a meego usb key inserted Aug 12 14:45:42 many people never saw any Windows at all Aug 12 14:45:51 lcuk: And unless things have changed... that's always been part of microsoft's unfair advantage... Aug 12 14:46:08 microsoft do not have unfair advantage really Aug 12 14:46:24 they got into position through hard work Aug 12 14:46:26 lcuk: If you want to ship PC's with windows on them... then you have to pay a royalty on /all/ your PC sales... whether you ship it with windows or not. Aug 12 14:46:49 lcuk: I call that unfair. Aug 12 14:46:49 gabrbedd, I do not object to microsoft at all Aug 12 14:47:10 in their niche they do well :P Aug 12 14:47:41 lcuk: consoles for mac users? Aug 12 14:47:58 nyancat Aug 12 14:47:58 lcuk: I'm not spurning windows here. Starting with XP, I think it's a pretty stable OS. I just think that the OEM agreement is an unfair practice. Aug 12 14:48:17 gabrbedd, understood Aug 12 15:05:01 berndhs, where is the page for the exopc device program? Aug 12 15:05:10 I think I need to get one, especially if it has tablet ux on it Aug 12 15:05:15 * lcuk will be creating a new tab Aug 12 15:06:21 its hard to find, let me look Aug 12 15:06:29 how can I manually make Maliit appear in the netbook interface Aug 12 15:06:37 I installed the inputmethodkeyboard and inputmethodbridges Aug 12 15:06:48 made the change in meego-im-uiserver.desktop Aug 12 15:06:50 and failsauce Aug 12 15:06:57 http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad#On-screen_keyboard Aug 12 15:06:58 no keyboard, the hotkey to bring it up also doesn't work Aug 12 15:07:11 shinkamui, that page would potentially help you Aug 12 15:08:05 lcuk: https://meego.com/community/device-program Aug 12 15:09:11 thanks lcuk Aug 12 15:09:17 thats exactly what I needed I think Aug 12 15:13:16 DawnFoster, ping Aug 12 15:13:22 great berndhs thanks Aug 12 15:13:25 I have applied Aug 12 15:13:27 Venemo, you should too Aug 12 15:13:28 Venemo: hey Aug 12 15:13:52 DawnFoster, I have something awesome on my meego devices o_O Aug 12 15:14:11 lcuk: cool! Aug 12 15:14:12 but I cannot express in text words what it is :P Aug 12 15:14:38 and it spans entire meego and uses the nokia and intel devices :) Aug 12 15:14:51 DawnFoster, they told me that I can talk to you about Intel's ExoPC device program at meego.com Aug 12 15:15:09 Venemo: depends on what you need - can you be more specific? Aug 12 15:15:51 DawnFoster, well, I didn't find information about what the requirements of the program are Aug 12 15:16:07 DawnFoster, and berndhs said he applied weeks ago and didn't get any answer Aug 12 15:16:18 lcuk, please make a video of it? Aug 12 15:16:23 :) Aug 12 15:16:29 Venemo: all of that is on the web page & wiki. We've closed applications and should notify people next week about who has / has not been accepted Aug 12 15:16:43 Randy (aka texrat) is driving that process Aug 12 15:16:44 DawnFoster, ah, it is closed :( Aug 12 15:16:50 iekku, :) I will Aug 12 15:16:52 seems that I've just missed it then. Aug 12 15:16:56 it was open from May until now Aug 12 15:17:02 "now"? Aug 12 15:17:05 * lcuk actually made something work that I have been trying for long time Aug 12 15:17:06 :) Aug 12 15:17:13 just closed down this week Aug 12 15:17:17 oh. Aug 12 15:17:17 lcuk, please, send me a link, get me interested Aug 12 15:17:20 * lcuk feels proud of himself right now and goes for celebratory smoke Aug 12 15:17:37 DawnFoster, is there a possiblity that there is going to be another program involving tablets? :) Aug 12 15:18:10 DawnFoster, also https://meego.com/community/device-program/devices/exopc-tablet says "Active", and the "Apply for this device" link doesn't say that it's closed Aug 12 15:18:16 DawnFoster, you might want to fix that. Aug 12 15:18:41 Venemo: we'll look into it - not sure about future programs Aug 12 15:19:25 DawnFoster, it's a shame that I didn't apply last week, but the program wasn't brought into my attention until recently Aug 12 15:21:57 when will results be announced for the eXoPC device program? Aug 12 15:22:07 DawnFoster, I just applied for that too Aug 12 15:22:21 so if it is not available phoey, why wasn't it advertised! Aug 12 15:22:45 TSCHAKeee, Dawn said next week Aug 12 15:22:53 cool ok Aug 12 15:26:25 DawnFoster, what'll happen if I just fill out the application form right now? will I get rejected? :P Aug 12 16:00:15 * CosmoHill gets out his electric trains and plays with them (once he gets it working) Aug 12 16:01:40 you want each train car controlled by a separate CPU Aug 12 16:01:47 im getting stuck here with this message: com.meego.core.minputmethodstatusindicator not provided by any .service file whenever I try and launch meego-im-uiserver -target slate Aug 12 16:02:07 no idea what Im missing, any hints on what I should be looking at Aug 12 16:07:52 berndhs: later, for now I want it to do a lap without me poking it or derailing Aug 12 16:08:24 shinkamui: With the 1.2 release, inputmethodbridges was broken. Aug 12 16:08:35