**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 17 02:59:57 2011 Aug 17 03:26:25 morning Aug 17 03:45:16 morning Aug 17 04:43:11 kokeilittekos jo 10.7.1 -pätsiä, toimiko ok? Aug 17 04:43:23 sorry, wrong channel. :) Aug 17 08:18:15 morning \o Aug 17 09:42:25 [MeeGo-dev] N900 and N900CE related bugs http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg10558.html Aug 17 09:42:38 araujo, that is a good thread :) Aug 17 09:44:33 lcuk: .o/ Aug 17 09:44:42 srihi CosmoHill Aug 17 09:44:51 * lcuk just reviewing bug meeting from this morning Aug 17 09:44:58 and reading mails Aug 17 09:45:01 I got a Sony w995 last night and I've been playing with it a lot Aug 17 09:45:07 and going on facebook >.< Aug 17 09:45:09 nice Aug 17 09:45:22 lbt, I am also reading and rereading http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/08/restructure-meego-by-installments.html Aug 17 09:59:38 lcuk: I wasn't happy when my phone went online cos I get charged for data tranfer, only to tell me that it requires wifi to use iplayer, even tho the wifi was on and there was no reason to use 3G Aug 17 10:08:48 CosmoHill, that is amusing Aug 17 11:01:51 Dear Nokia, get a new proxy, thanks Aug 17 11:02:20 heh, damn straight Aug 17 11:02:53 Stskeeps: do you still play openttd? Aug 17 11:03:04 on occasion Aug 17 11:03:25 what add-ons do you use? Aug 17 11:03:35 only one is the tram one really Aug 17 11:05:20 I have an expanding amount but my tram one doesn't work. I use canadian stations, british trains and big trucks Aug 17 11:06:45 ffs nokia Aug 17 11:15:18 what is the technology used for pen input on the htc flyer? Aug 17 11:16:55 sausage? Aug 17 11:17:04 lol Aug 17 11:17:20 i mean wacom or similar Aug 17 11:17:37 i do not know the technology name though Aug 17 11:20:10 lcuk: i read something about a collab with N-trig iirc Aug 17 11:20:29 Sho_, what do you mean what is N-trig? Aug 17 11:21:01 N-trig DuoSense® Solution Technology Overview Aug 17 11:21:01 N-trig DuoSense® solution is a dual-mode interface, powered by a single device, utilizing both pen and projected capacitive multi-touch functionality. Aug 17 11:21:04 ahhh!!!! Aug 17 11:21:06 lcuk: N-trig is a company making digital pen techology Aug 17 11:21:21 which I think is what HTC is using on the Flyer Aug 17 11:21:24 http://www.n-trig.com/Content.aspx?Page=DualModeTechnology Aug 17 11:21:36 Sho_, it sounds great actually Aug 17 11:21:44 * lcuk wonders about a device program Aug 17 11:21:53 well, I like the 7" form factor a lot Aug 17 11:22:54 Sho_, yes it is a nice size for writing on Aug 17 11:23:14 now, we just have make a meego product using it Aug 17 11:23:17 for reading too imho Aug 17 11:23:23 Sho_, sure Aug 17 11:23:33 kindle size is already too large for me to use comfortaby in bed Aug 17 11:23:42 *comfortably Aug 17 11:24:07 Sho_, I use my n810/n900s for reading Aug 17 11:24:41 the n900 is a little smaller than I prefer but with autoscroll Aug 17 11:24:41 lcuk: yep, N810 + FBReader here still, too Aug 17 11:24:43 it reads fine Aug 17 11:24:52 * lcuk uses liqbook :) Aug 17 11:25:13 fbreader here on n900 works well Aug 17 11:25:15 a trooper, that good old N810 .. Aug 17 11:25:18 And I have a kindle. Aug 17 11:25:35 SpeedEvil, fbreader is great for the various file formats Aug 17 11:25:43 To setup the kindle for restful nightime reading is muchharder, as I need to screw with the lights Aug 17 11:25:52 heh Aug 17 11:26:28 kindle is a great beachbook Aug 17 11:26:32 and I don't really believe in dedicated ebook reading devices anyway ... I want the full power of a proper mobile OS Aug 17 11:26:49 it's just more satisfying in terms of software ecosystem Aug 17 11:26:50 lcuk: yes - it's good for reading in the sun Aug 17 11:27:16 Sho_, taking phone with slide keyboard onto a beach is o_O inducing Aug 17 11:29:05 lcuk: heh i don't often get to read on beaches anyway Aug 17 11:30:57 * lcuk vanishes again to write more of a spec Aug 17 11:31:51 Sho_, thanks for that link Aug 17 11:32:08 what I am wondering is if that is just screen and if the computer is included Aug 17 11:32:16 * lcuk writes it into the spec anyway Aug 17 11:32:26 happy to help Aug 17 11:45:51 is qgill here/ Aug 17 11:45:55 here? Aug 17 11:47:49 gdb /tmp/corewatcher/core.1293.processed Aug 17 11:47:56 "/tmp/corewatcher/core.1293.processed": not in executable format: File format not recognized Aug 17 11:53:47 bkalinga, "gdb --core=corefile" Aug 17 11:53:57 the default parameter is the binary Aug 17 11:54:06 ok Aug 17 11:55:29 why the name is with .processed is that the case in Linux Aug 17 11:55:45 idk Aug 17 11:55:55 cityLights, it is a bit early for quim Aug 17 11:56:14 try email or forum message Aug 17 13:15:25 i will be on email for rest of the day \o Aug 17 14:04:25 hi Aug 17 14:04:35 anyone working on porting meego to the nexus s here? Aug 17 14:07:12 paulk: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird#Nexus_S Aug 17 14:07:21 yeah I know this page Aug 17 14:07:28 I'd like to give the answer to the bad colors Aug 17 14:07:40 mm? Aug 17 14:07:47 anyone interested here? Aug 17 14:08:15 #meego-arm might work better but usually people are in here too Aug 17 14:08:15 Stskeeps: Error: "meego-arm" is not a valid command. Aug 17 14:08:30 ah I see Aug 17 14:08:32 thanks Aug 17 15:16:31 tomorrows N900CE bug triage meeting is cancelled, having fever Aug 17 15:17:04 iekku: get well soon! Aug 17 15:17:19 thanks Aug 17 15:17:23 iekku: and now hopp, bed, no laptops! Aug 17 15:17:36 yes dad... :P Aug 17 15:17:43 :P Aug 17 15:17:52 * dm8tbr isn't _that_ old Aug 17 15:18:53 haha Aug 17 15:19:07 but i'm just teenager... Aug 17 16:53:55 Alison_Chaiken, for your project, are you using just the exopc or will the ivi stuff work on other devices? Aug 17 16:56:25 lcuk, I have variously used the ExoPC or the Pandaboard. The IVI is not that different from other MeeGo UXes in its HW requirements, so general remarks apply. Aug 17 17:02:54 cool Aug 17 17:09:57 This morning in a clean install of "Tablet Preview", I zypped up. The update got halfway through and froze. Reboots produced an unusable system. Aug 17 17:10:24 I tried zypping up more, as previous updates did not complete, but liblzma.so.0 was missing, and zypp was stuck. Aug 17 17:11:05 Investigation showed that there was /usr/lib/liblzma.so.5, but not liblzma.so.0. I made the symlink via ln, and am happy to say that zypper runs again. Aug 17 17:11:28 The repo I'm pulling from is trunk/latest. Hope this helps somebody! Aug 17 17:22:26 hi, folks. Can I make alt+tab only list windows in the current zone? Kind of like how gnome2 and xfce handles it, per workspace alt+tab. Aug 17 17:22:45 alternatively, is there an advanced settings browser somewhere, gconf style? Aug 17 17:23:32 Alison_Chaiken, ensuring zypper works is quite important, but updating packages appears not to be Aug 17 17:23:51 I know you have pasted it here, I wonder whether a bug report would be needed Aug 17 17:24:23 augustl, I have looked for advanced things around alt-tab but never found any way to handle it Aug 17 17:24:36 * lcuk would really like to try and make some feature requests in that department Aug 17 17:24:59 augustl, how do you like the sliding animation on alt-tab? Aug 17 17:25:03 lcuk: I see Aug 17 17:25:13 lcuk, i think there's some open bugs already about updating. if not there's need for one Aug 17 17:25:15 I wish I could skip that as well ;) Or make it faster. Aug 17 17:25:29 anyways, I'm talking about multiple windows in one zone. I manually place a terminal and emacs in the same zone. Aug 17 17:25:45 and want to alt tab only between those two. And use ctrl+alt+arrow keys to swap zones Aug 17 17:25:53 lcuk, and i think those would be release_update_blockers... Aug 17 17:25:57 bug 10544 is the one that if cured would help multitasking immensely Aug 17 17:25:59 not a sensible default, but would be nice to have a setting for that Aug 17 17:26:01 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Medium, ---, tf, RESO WONTFIX, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications Aug 17 17:26:04 iekku, ahh great Aug 17 17:26:55 lcuk, or then i'm just hallusinating with my fever, let me check Aug 17 17:27:04 iekku, I know there are some for the noarch Aug 17 17:27:36 bug 20493 Aug 17 17:27:39 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20493 nor, Undecided, ---, marko.saukko, ASSI, [CE] armv7nhl packages do not get updated properly Aug 17 17:28:26 lcuk, so this is met also with vanilla image? Aug 17 17:28:51 iekku: that is with vanilla for sure as well. Aug 17 17:29:25 iekku, not sure, have not tested - there are various bugs around zypper that I try and wade through to see common things Aug 17 17:29:42 does nokia's work on the N9 affect the netbook meego at all? I don't know anything about the meego architecture.. Aug 17 17:29:50 no. Aug 17 17:30:40 augustl, the CE bug is for MeeGo N900 Community Edition Aug 17 17:31:19 are there any shared components between meego netbook and meego for the n9? Aug 17 17:31:22 augustl, not for the N9, having MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan, and those bugs are not reported to the bugs.meego.com Aug 17 17:31:36 iekku: I see Aug 17 17:32:09 Sage, that's something i have been thinking, since there's been so much talking about that in here Aug 17 17:32:24 maybe some brave soldier have enough time to file a bug? Aug 17 17:32:50 lcuk, volunteer? ;) Aug 17 17:33:35 does harmattan contain any netbook stuff? Or is it just for phones? Can I install a harmattan beta on my eee? Aug 17 17:34:00 iekku, I do not have an x86 system/tablet to test updating from Aug 17 17:34:09 lcuk, ok Aug 17 17:34:12 i can only usb load meego on my ideapad Aug 17 17:34:19 augustl: you can't install harmattan anywhere but on an N9. Aug 17 17:34:21 I have applied for an exopc Aug 17 17:34:29 lcuk, hope you get one Aug 17 17:34:34 iekku, me too :) Aug 17 17:34:44 TSCHAKeee: I see Aug 17 17:34:54 * lcuk speccing out full application for future Aug 17 17:35:09 iekku, having a strong updatable OS is important Aug 17 17:35:09 meego is a collection of OS-es, then? One netbook OS, one mobile os, etc? Aug 17 17:35:19 and hopefully the tablet ux will be good Aug 17 17:35:23 lcuk, +1 Aug 17 17:35:43 iekku, every day I try best to ensure Aug 17 17:35:46 and I guess a common Qt core? Aug 17 17:36:20 augustl, yes, there has been somedilly dallying around with the 1.3 and project needs to be back on track Aug 17 17:36:24 ok, now going to lay on sofa, having 38C now and feels like more to come Aug 17 17:36:31 iekku, rest easy Aug 17 17:36:36 seems like https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-v1.2-core-software-platform answers my questions Aug 17 17:37:17 so N9 basically is Meego 1.2 for mobiles? With enough dedication I could get the N9 os on, say, a samsung phone? Aug 17 17:37:23 sigh Aug 17 17:37:40 augustl: the N9 runs a specific version of Maemo 6, called Harmattan Aug 17 17:37:50 oh, so it's not MeeGo. Sorry. Aug 17 17:37:54 augustl: it is not,nor will be available for anything else than the Nokia N9 Aug 17 17:37:59 you can not port it Aug 17 17:38:07 so it's not a free OS. I see. Aug 17 17:38:08 it is MeeGo Compliant Aug 17 17:38:13 fuck, i swear Aug 17 17:38:16 you pedants Aug 17 17:38:20 waaah, not a free OS Aug 17 17:38:34 TSCHAKeee: you need a hug. *hugs* Aug 17 17:38:41 hello Aug 17 17:38:54 TSCHAKeee: I'm not whining, I'm just curious ;) Aug 17 17:38:55 'lo TSCHAKeee, how goes? Aug 17 17:39:10 is there anything i can do to speed up the n900ce ? Aug 17 17:40:06 Stskeeps: could be better, just spent the last 6 hours recovering my house computer, because a runaway program was crasing repeatedly and dropping multi-gig cores all over the place, filling up the disk, and on its way out, it decided to truncate my passwd, group, shadow, and pluto.conf files Aug 17 17:40:37 i am back up and running again, but nothing like a near catastrophe to bring blood pressure to levels never before. Aug 17 17:40:38 TSCHAKeee: ah, linux.. Aug 17 17:40:48 LOL, that was one mighty bug then Aug 17 17:40:56 peterbjornxz: what class SD card Aug 17 17:40:57 ? Aug 17 17:41:13 eMMC Aug 17 17:41:31 ah, that may perform worse Aug 17 17:41:56 ok, so, its the storage Aug 17 17:41:58 TSCHAKeee: anyway, thanks, I didn't realize maemo still existed. Aug 17 17:42:23 i thought maybe bad kernel settings Aug 17 17:42:33 iekku: there are also other zypp bugs in the 1.2.x branch but I haven't had time to track those down. Aug 17 17:42:40 peterbjornxz: there's many good reasons why things are slow Aug 17 17:43:07 are there any reasons i can solve by tweaking something? Aug 17 17:43:25 iekku: also might be something in mic though as well but I will check those during this or next week as I need those to be solved anyway. Aug 17 17:43:29 peterbjornxz: if you have experience tuning, feel free to experiment Aug 17 17:45:17 Sage, thanks! good work, as always! Aug 17 17:45:44 TSCHAKeee: haha this was all explained in the wikipedia article on the N9. >< Aug 17 17:48:41 what is qt_reco_app Aug 17 17:48:58 nontranslated string Aug 17 17:49:12 i mean which app Aug 17 17:49:22 it is not responding Aug 17 17:49:42 the active one i think Aug 17 17:50:20 are there any n900 overclocking apps for meego Aug 17 18:19:09 whoa... my n900 runs hot as it is Aug 17 19:13:10 blah Aug 17 19:36:44 been googling for info on running other OS-es than android on an Asus Transformer. Not finding much. Has anyone been able to run meego on it? Aug 17 19:36:54 a transformer with meego would rock, for some terminal and emacs goodness Aug 17 19:37:48 wow i seem to have crystalhd enabled on my exopc after following http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/ExoPC#Crystal_HD_Video_Decoder_.28BCM70015.29 Aug 17 19:37:59 augustl: you could see if the hardware is meego compatable, is the device a phone or a netbook? Aug 17 19:38:18 now playing back 720p HD video from youtube using http://wiki.meego.com/tubelet-and-cutetube-port Aug 17 19:38:33 CosmoHill: it looks a lot like an eee. But it's in fact a tablet running android with a detachable keyboard Aug 17 19:38:45 CosmoHill: the CPU is a nvidia tegra though Aug 17 19:39:46 apparently qtmobility appears to use the crystalhd "transparently" Aug 17 19:39:51 augustl, there are some details about tegra devices Aug 17 19:39:52 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 Aug 17 19:39:57 npm, I made the mistake of zypp updating my ExoPC to 1.2.80 and it got totally borked. Something breaks rpmdb. Aug 17 19:39:58 well, tagra2 Aug 17 19:40:09 yeah 1.2.0.90 is the one Aug 17 19:40:11 lcuk: ah nice Aug 17 19:40:18 Next step was going to be crystalHD: try, try again. Aug 17 19:40:18 1.2.80 is 1.3 which is not ready Aug 17 19:40:36 Alison_Chaiken, since the discussion before, would you care to file a bug Aug 17 19:40:42 Stick with 1.2.0.90 for ExoPC right now, npm? Aug 17 19:40:46 well i did have to apply a little http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem treatment Aug 17 19:40:53 to get it to compile Aug 17 19:41:02 it appeared to want 'xen-devel' for some reason Aug 17 19:41:18 so i got it from fedora just like everything else Aug 17 19:41:41 lcuk, I'm willing to file a bug. I'm not sure what exactly is going on, though. Zypper's logfile is MB of incomprehensible crap. Aug 17 19:41:59 I guess I could just post the whole zypper logfile, but it seems kind of hostile! Aug 17 19:42:00 but it's definitely accelerated because it was only able to get about 1-2 frames per second before Aug 17 19:42:09 w/ 720P HD video Aug 17 19:42:19 Alison_Chaiken, fair enough - if it is undecipherable it might not help Aug 17 19:43:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTvwS2K3NNQ never looked better Aug 17 19:47:56 where's a good place to ask for help about making the Qt SDK maemo emulator use hardware rendering? Currently using softGl, which is rather painful and slow. Aug 17 19:50:36 New output seem from QtMobility Video component w/ crystalhd loaded: "Running DIL (3.22.0) Version" "DtsDeviceOpen: Opening HW in mode 0" "Scaling command param 0x0,ctx_scal:0x0" Aug 17 19:53:03 augustl, the #meego-sdk people may know, but not sure which may allow you to do this Aug 17 19:53:43 http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration Aug 17 19:54:08 http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.2/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration Aug 17 19:56:22 bbl Aug 17 20:32:10 augustl: if you're still about and have a 2GB memory stick I'd suggest you see if the device can 1. boot from USB and 2. run MeeGo Aug 17 20:32:23 worse case is that it doesn't run meego, you remove the memory stick and reboot Aug 17 20:48:19 if it can't boot from usb i doubt it will run meego Aug 17 20:48:49 (assuming x86) Aug 17 21:01:32 ali1234, any device that has usb can be made to boot from usb using plop/unetbootin. Aug 17 21:01:40 Works on WeTab, for example. Aug 17 21:02:10 i have a 486 machine that disagrees with you Aug 17 21:02:39 plenty of old BIOSes won't boot from usb Aug 17 21:02:46 http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_Handset_image_on_WeTab_Tablet Aug 17 21:02:46 or powerpc macs Aug 17 21:03:00 Check out plop then. Aug 17 21:04:26 WeTab's native bootloader didn't support USB, but another boot can be installed: plop. Aug 17 21:42:22 .o/ Aug 17 21:42:30 aaahhhhh my arm is asleep Aug 17 21:47:18 CosmoHill, is your x86 awake? Aug 17 21:47:28 nope Aug 17 21:47:39 I'm in my living room on my ppc Aug 17 21:48:05 :D Aug 17 21:48:24 CosmoHill, not sure if you saw but was pointed to a company earlier today Aug 17 21:48:37 who specialise in dualmode touchscreens Aug 17 21:48:43 capacitive and pen driven :D Aug 17 21:49:04 that sounds cool, I'm not used to touch screens Aug 17 21:49:17 need to find a manufacturer who might use them on a meego compatible device Aug 17 21:49:23 I do know that if you have a touch screen computer in a classroom it will have the cleanest monitor Aug 17 21:49:33 heh Aug 17 21:49:42 :D Aug 17 21:49:45 not so many apps require touchscreens Aug 17 21:50:26 greater majority of legacy apps at least :P Aug 17 21:51:10 I hope apps use touchscreen properly and not just for the sake of having touch screen Aug 17 21:51:54 CosmoHill, difference in usability Aug 17 21:52:50 there are a lot of the allinone devices with windows7 and people do not use the touchscreen Aug 17 21:53:07 http://xkcd.com/156/ Aug 17 21:53:16 lcuk, the quality of those touchscreens can be dreadful though Aug 17 21:53:45 arfoll, lab quality vs end user Aug 17 21:53:48 i agree entirely Aug 17 21:53:59 microsoft surface apps are designed for a pristine screen Aug 17 21:54:51 arfoll, design the UX to be more accepting of such things Aug 17 21:55:17 and they work in homes with breafast cereal and smears etc Aug 17 21:55:40 the n950 network connection dialog is similar Aug 17 21:55:47 it used to be a list Aug 17 21:55:59 on click of items the network connected Aug 17 21:56:06 now, onclick just selects the item Aug 17 21:56:17 there is a dedicated "connect" button above Aug 17 21:58:18 good Aug 17 21:59:53 lcuk, i've found the n900 touchscreen to be fairly bad compared to the n1 for example Aug 17 22:00:11 arfoll, n1? Aug 17 22:00:36 and arfoll it is the best resistive I have used Aug 17 22:00:47 * lcuk understands capacitive though when it works Aug 17 22:00:54 nexus one Aug 17 22:01:18 never tinkered with one Aug 17 22:01:29 i like the fact you can use it with a pen and its great when you do, but without it I found it very hard to use motions Aug 17 22:04:01 arfoll, sure Aug 17 22:04:12 the main ui was not gesture driven though which was good Aug 17 22:04:25 well panning desktops of course Aug 17 22:04:33 err swipe ;) Aug 17 22:04:44 *patent alert* Aug 17 22:05:22 is this a drinking game? Aug 17 22:05:36 could be Aug 17 22:08:51 * CosmoHill is a bit disapointed that facebook and opera don't have auto-rotation on his phon Aug 17 22:10:15 CosmoHill, do a cartwheel and reorient yourself rather than the phone Aug 17 22:10:29 * lcuk goes to bed Aug 17 22:22:18 i really like the N900 resistive screen :/ Aug 17 22:22:58 the glass/hard surfaces of most capacitive screens annoy me, moving a finger around on them I often encounter too much friction Aug 17 22:24:50 never a problem on N900. i also feel i have to be much more cautious using any capacitive screen, because it will interpret any contact as a touch event Aug 17 22:56:35 arfoll: it looks like the monitor program has many uses Aug 17 22:56:59 arfoll: and it does detect the chrontel device without GPIO access Aug 17 22:58:03 arfoll: the GPIO part is needed for this flag only -> -g: enable and set gpio device for HDMI detect Aug 17 22:58:19 so GPIO is used for the autodetection Aug 17 23:39:49 * npm watches http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon/live-video-streaming Aug 18 00:11:41 ^^ linux talking about ARM community vs linux kernel Aug 18 00:11:54 s/linux/linus :-) Aug 18 00:12:02 i have to sign up? Aug 18 00:12:14 yes Aug 18 00:12:19 fuuu Aug 18 00:12:31 is it going to be archived? Aug 18 00:12:34 ? Aug 18 00:12:39 by the time i fill in this form i will have missed it Aug 18 00:12:40 probably Aug 18 00:12:52 no it's pretty fast. then check email. then you're in Aug 18 00:13:23 it's preferable to getting on a plane :-) Aug 18 00:13:40 which also requires ID Aug 18 00:14:09 i used to like airports, you met interesting people in airport bars Aug 18 00:14:54 "nice platform thing" = PC BIOS, what ARM needs Aug 18 00:17:47 npm: linus seems argumentative if you rub him the wrong way Aug 18 00:18:58 "OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys" -- linus torvalds Aug 18 00:19:05 no sign-up link: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/linux-foundation-live Aug 18 00:19:20 that's an old one. i'm hoping for a new one. Aug 18 00:19:36 "i accidentally merged three drivers for the same hardware and i didn't realise" - greg kh Aug 18 00:20:19 LOL app developers Aug 18 00:20:27 there you go :) Aug 18 00:25:19 i remember when USB was a big problem, lol Aug 18 00:26:03 "Software is like sex; it's better when it's free. " Aug 18 00:29:36 " * The memory management on the PowerPC can be used to frighten small children." hahahah Aug 18 00:30:03 what stream are you watching? Aug 18 00:30:28 weggi: you have a 950? Aug 18 00:30:37 sorry Aug 18 00:33:24 heh, i know he was gonna mention bitcoin Aug 18 00:35:03 http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds Aug 18 00:36:37 * CosmoHill giggles Aug 18 00:36:43 ali1234: search for "intel" on that page Aug 18 00:37:34 yeah but acpi is still better than nothing at all, which is what arm has Aug 18 00:41:42 and designed by monkeys on LSD Aug 18 01:15:00 what did he say about bitcoin? Aug 18 01:15:07 and is it still going on Aug 18 01:19:06 yes, the arm world is a disaster Aug 18 01:21:00 a ton of "mach-*" directores, each loaded with board-* files for various arm platforms... not including the ones that don't go upstream **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 18 02:59:56 2011