**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 20 02:59:56 2011 Aug 20 04:32:19 lbt, jedix: thank you; I won't be able to remove the package but I think I'll do a local repackaging with modified osc/conf.py (can't lose darktable, gnucash, pidgin, etc. from my box) Aug 20 04:53:37 yep, that was it Aug 20 05:04:50 Hi Aug 20 05:05:05 some one Aug 20 05:07:53 i just have one question Aug 20 07:00:29 <@foobot> 2011/08/20 03:29 CRIT api.meego.com HTTP CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds Aug 20 07:00:51 and like ANY-GIVEN-SATURDAY API did NOT come back! Aug 20 07:01:34 seems to be up for me Aug 20 07:01:52 meego:/tmp# if curl -s "https://api.meego.com/public/lastevents?start=$(echo $(( $(curl -s https://api.meego.com/public/lastevents | cut -f2 -d'"') - 10 )))" | grep -q "remote error"; then echo Public API down; else echo Public API up; fi Aug 20 07:01:56 Public API down Aug 20 07:02:15 http came back after a while, but API is down according to this Aug 20 07:02:51 carsten@ideapad:~$ osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com ls MeeGo.com:Trunk | wc -l Aug 20 07:02:51 warning: your urllib2 version seems to be broken. Using a workaround for http://bugs.python.org/issue9639 Aug 20 07:02:54 1408 Aug 20 07:02:56 WORKSFORME Aug 20 07:03:49 lbt: can you have a look? :) I'd be happy if it was just your one-liner that failed Aug 20 07:07:07 * Stskeeps ponders idly about build-compare Aug 20 07:07:16 so obs doesn't consider a package equal if it's build on two seperate hosts Aug 20 07:07:19 that can't be good Aug 20 07:09:00 like on two separate workers? Aug 20 07:09:13 yeah Aug 20 07:09:31 i can see some degree of reasoning for that but.. Aug 20 07:12:27 still it probably increases the churn a lot Aug 20 07:12:48 yes Aug 20 07:21:58 lbt: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713261 Aug 20 07:23:43 any good suggestions for a regexp that turns obs://obsworker01/Mer:Trunk:Base/standard/4bec4e09b28319ef8fdc0e637c459dd8-gcc into obs://OBS/Mer:Trunk:Base/standard/4bec4e09b28319ef8fdc0e637c459dd8-gcc ? Aug 20 07:26:14 (obsworker is varying) Aug 20 07:27:08 regex in what? Aug 20 07:27:13 sed Aug 20 07:27:28 Stskeeps: what's OBS in the final string? Is it an abbreviation of obsworker01 or is a constant? Aug 20 07:28:03 War2: constant Aug 20 07:28:11 Can it be awk? Aug 20 07:28:56 s/:\/\/.*\//:\/\/OBS\// ? Aug 20 07:29:09 hmm Aug 20 07:29:12 basically, replace "://.*/" by "://OBS/" Aug 20 07:29:29 wouldn't that eat multiple /*/? Aug 20 07:29:56 jedix's right, eats multiple /'s Aug 20 07:30:14 obsworker01/Mer:Trunk:Base to OBS/Mer:Trunk:Base ? Aug 20 07:30:19 right Aug 20 07:30:34 and obsworker01 is varying, ie, can't rely on that Aug 20 07:30:38 OBS is the constant to be made Aug 20 07:30:40 s/:\/\/[^/]*/OBS/ ? Aug 20 07:30:45 are the : delimiters and trunk and base vars? Aug 20 07:31:02 ..does taht work in sed? Aug 20 07:31:39 or is Mer:Trunk:Base not to process? Aug 20 07:31:49 carsten@ideapad:~$ sed "s/:\/\/[^/]*/:\/\/OBS/" tes1 Aug 20 07:31:50 obs://OBS/Mer:Trunk:Base/standard/4bec4e09b28319ef8fdc0e637c459dd8-gcc Aug 20 07:32:32 thanks for your collaboration :) Aug 20 07:33:21 s/obsworker01/OBS/ done Aug 20 07:33:40 obsworker varies and isn't always that Aug 20 07:33:41 :P Aug 20 07:33:42 cool :) Aug 20 07:33:59 Stskeeps: yeah, see? please give decent specs on the task Aug 20 07:34:06 s/obsworker[0-9]/OBS/ Aug 20 07:34:23 hmm? the next line said it varies Aug 20 07:34:59 if it's just the digit, use \d* Aug 20 07:35:00 and you don't know how many digits after obsworker. or is it even always "obsworker" Aug 20 07:35:14 too many cooks ;) just use jedix's solution Aug 20 07:35:17 Stskeeps: you can't RE a regex from one result Aug 20 07:35:54 or more like "you can RE infinite number of regex that create that one example as a result" Aug 20 07:36:41 you need at very least 2 examples to get the faintest idea how the regex has to look like so it creates both results Aug 20 07:38:46 it's like "please give me the correct algorithm that yields 6 as the result of input 2" Aug 20 07:39:04 +4 ? Aug 20 07:39:15 * 3 ? Aug 20 07:39:19 that's crazy talk. Aug 20 07:39:46 everyone knows with an input of 2 you shift left and fill in with 1's Aug 20 07:39:55 way faster! Aug 20 07:40:01 :-D Aug 20 07:41:40 lololol Aug 20 07:42:45 x = 2 << 2 | 2 Aug 20 07:42:52 that's gotta be the fastest, right? Aug 20 07:42:58 wait.. Aug 20 07:43:01 x = 2 << 1 | 2 Aug 20 07:43:09 yeah. that one Aug 20 07:44:02 x = 6 Aug 20 07:44:05 :-P Aug 20 07:44:25 hmm, that is faster. Aug 20 07:44:26 damn Aug 20 07:44:55 works for 'input' 2 (as well) Aug 20 07:46:14 which is along the line s!.*!obs://OBS/Mer:Trunk:Base/standard/4bec4e09b28319ef8fdc0e637c459dd8-gcc! Aug 20 07:49:11 ok, let's see how much this speeds up generic bootstrap Aug 20 09:38:54 I am trying to install libreoffice on my netbook ux ideapad Aug 20 09:39:01 http://wiki.meego.com/LibreOffice Aug 20 09:39:14 as part of this it requires java Aug 20 09:39:15 http://wiki.meego.com/Java Aug 20 09:39:23 the java installation is not working Aug 20 09:39:32 can anybody confirm the steps Aug 20 09:41:59 lcuk What's not working with it? At least the jre installer started downloading for me from the url mentioned in wiki. Aug 20 09:42:18 lamikr, once the java install is downloaded Aug 20 09:42:20 i chomded it Aug 20 09:42:26 and ran that Aug 20 09:43:04 which inflates the rpm out of the download Aug 20 09:43:21 then the rpm has errors Aug 20 09:45:55 trying direct from sun with alternative Aug 20 09:48:16 i found an alternative which seems to be getting further Aug 20 09:48:17 :) Aug 20 09:49:13 lcuk: Ok, I think the descriptions anyway worked for me. (But I downloaded the jre from link with browser, not with wget) Aug 20 09:49:22 http://pastebin.com/tP1pdrGW Aug 20 09:49:36 lamikr, it was the rpm stage installing it Aug 20 09:49:39 it downloaded ok Aug 20 09:49:43 but would not install Aug 20 10:05:22 huzzah got it working Aug 20 10:08:24 sweet, I have libreoffice on my ideapad :) Aug 20 10:19:37 HP touchpad 16GB germany price: $600. US price $99 Aug 20 10:19:43 jedix: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713261 needs details : distro and osc version and source (distro pkg/git/meego) as a minimum Aug 20 10:20:34 dm8tbr: it's down ... the key thing is that https://api.meego.com/public/lastevents?start= fails. Aug 20 10:21:25 the initial https://api.meego.com/public/lastevents gets the 'current' value and decrements it a little Aug 20 10:23:31 dm8tbr: I suggest another email; maybe cc the MeeGo IT mailing list and noting that we have people around who could fix it but, despite being an 'open' project, are forbidden. Right now the CO is representing Intel's interests just fine - not so much "the community" Aug 20 10:24:46 also note that Ryan apparently didn't want to explain why we're forbidden on email last week but apparently can wait 2 weeks and explain in a private phone conversation. Aug 20 10:50:18 lbt, i think the angle is along lines of savannah attacks Aug 20 10:52:31 ? Aug 20 10:53:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK22WrO0pO4 <== google first hit Aug 20 10:55:05 you recall, breaking in and repalcing files Aug 20 10:55:32 *nod* ... still we have DNS control so... Aug 20 10:56:06 true Aug 20 10:56:21 but i even wonder how to handle that in a community setting Aug 20 10:56:33 spreading out obs workers could be problematic Aug 20 10:57:06 on top of that, didnt there use to be intel hidden projects on there\ Aug 20 10:57:09 oh yeah ... and don't forget that c.obs used Xen to protect workers for months prior to RE doing it Aug 20 10:57:26 so when it comes to security awareness :) Aug 20 11:06:28 its a good question how you can prove a worker is adding malicious things Aug 20 11:07:16 you can't Aug 20 11:07:51 http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/thompson/trust.html Aug 20 11:08:08 but ... at a pragmatic level Aug 20 11:08:26 we have a fairly rigorous monitoring system in c.obs space Aug 20 11:08:36 at the OS level Aug 20 11:10:34 we don't run anything like aide yet - we should Aug 20 11:11:01 (though our config audit tool is very similar) Aug 20 11:14:08 not sure if you saw the convo, but i discovered that build_compare treats two pkgs built on two different workers as different Aug 20 11:14:19 that has to add to bad churn Aug 20 11:14:42 DISTURL is the culprit Aug 20 11:39:15 Stskeeps: mmm cc me on the bug if you raise it Aug 20 11:40:31 will do after i prove it speeds things up Aug 20 11:54:07 lbt, can libreoffice be built on the obs Aug 20 11:55:58 lcuk: how could it pull in java? or is that only necessary for execution... Aug 20 12:06:51 i am using meego pinetrail and as soon as i start the music applet the UI hangs. Aug 20 12:07:10 any clue how do i restart / kill the applet ? Aug 20 12:14:00 lcuk: yes .... but we'd need to special-case it I'm sure Aug 20 12:14:15 And I doubt it'd build for ARM on qemu - ask Stskeeps Aug 20 13:16:17 hello there Aug 20 13:17:24 there was an website with instructions how to add community resources to meego ( to install mplayer and other media stuff ) what site could it be ? googled around but could not find it .. Aug 20 13:17:29 any tips are welcome Aug 20 13:17:52 tazz tablet ui or netbook? Aug 20 13:18:05 pebcak: tablet. Aug 20 13:18:13 repositories , i368 , got it running on an labtop and on an desktop Aug 20 13:18:37 I think i got it to work now. I just let the music player be for like 20 minutes and it started working on its own. Aug 20 13:19:20 I am using the intel exopc. Aug 20 13:19:37 http://www.exopc.com/devices/ Aug 20 13:23:13 ah its meegolem Aug 20 13:26:11 tazz: yes it does do that Aug 20 13:26:33 ah i see. Aug 20 13:26:38 tazz: it actually appears to attempt to open the .desktop file it is launched by, rather than just opening up Aug 20 13:27:12 and if it isn't given a valid file to open, it just sits there until the media indexer finishes up. then it finally returns to normal ui Aug 20 13:27:21 right, i should file a bug. Aug 20 13:27:22 kind of sucks, i don't know if there is a bug for it yet Aug 20 13:27:25 yes Aug 20 13:27:36 also affects video and photos apps Aug 20 13:28:00 video and photos are comparatively fast for me. Aug 20 13:28:07 they are much more graceful Aug 20 13:28:17 but they still try to open the .desktop file :p Aug 20 13:28:27 oh ok :p Aug 20 13:29:03 flailingmonkey: would there be any other repositories / apps you would suggest me to use ? Aug 20 13:29:07 photos will give you a black "image" and if you go through the menu you can actually see that the filename for the photo is "meego-apps-photos.desktop" Aug 20 13:29:41 I would recommend getting using a recent image if haven't already put a new one on it :p Aug 20 13:29:54 i am using 1.2.0.9 Aug 20 13:30:10 dont know if there is anything more recent than that :) Aug 20 13:30:30 that is the recent series Aug 20 13:30:55 i haven't looked into many other repos Aug 20 13:32:21 Hi, I'm trying to learn to use mic2 and have a question that wasn't clear (at least to me) about the mic2.conf file... If I define a repo in the mic2.conf file do I need to also have it in the .ks file? Aug 20 15:14:02 hi, I am trying to port an opensource program to meego for Intel Tablets Aug 20 15:16:28 I cannot #include "adpcppf.h" Aug 20 15:16:39 it says me "no such file". Google does not help. Aug 20 15:31:57 tstaerk: this is the right place - bit quiet at the moment Aug 20 15:32:00 what pkg? Aug 20 15:32:21 lbt: thanks for the info this is the right place Aug 20 15:32:38 ok, I set up meego sdk and started meego-sdk-qtcreator Aug 20 15:33:06 Now I want to put my GUID into my application. Aug 20 15:33:21 For this you may have to #include "adpcppf.h" Aug 20 15:33:30 so, no pkg at all Aug 20 15:34:11 I am following this description: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/blog/2011/03/30/how-integrate-appup-sdk-and-create-rpm-package-meego-applications Aug 20 15:34:12 * lbt wonders... is this an AppUp thingy? Aug 20 15:34:38 that sounds like appup Aug 20 15:34:41 lbt: The header seems AppUp related Aug 20 15:34:50 it is AppUp Aug 20 15:34:55 It's part of the AppUp SDK Aug 20 15:34:59 *nod* Aug 20 15:35:00 yes right. Aug 20 15:35:08 Not of MeeGo Aug 20 15:35:16 wait, \ Aug 20 15:35:18 I get you Aug 20 15:35:23 is meego ready and available for N900? Aug 20 15:35:51 smhar: look at the meego CE for N900 Aug 20 15:35:54 are you wanting to port an opensource thing to distribute via AppUp or start with just a plain OSS pkg? Aug 20 15:36:18 this is the right place for plain OSS - not seen much AppUp discussion though Aug 20 15:36:31 I want to port my "quickpen" to Meego Aug 20 15:36:45 no problem if I have to rewrite everything, that should be doable in 2 hours Aug 20 15:36:50 hehe Aug 20 15:37:03 so I suggest you go with plain and simple opensource packaging Aug 20 15:37:10 then migrate to AppUp later Aug 20 15:37:38 I have done the opensource packaging and want to do AppUp now Aug 20 15:38:11 OK - not sure you'll get much joy here. Not seen many AppUp bods around Aug 20 15:38:21 try #meego-sdk though Aug 20 15:38:35 be clear you want to do AppUp packagin Aug 20 15:38:58 and US working day is your best bet Aug 20 15:38:58 well, you solved my problem Aug 20 15:39:09 :D Aug 20 15:39:15 what was it ? Aug 20 15:39:23 you made me aware I need to install AppUp SDK, not only MeeGo SDK Aug 20 15:39:30 ah... good to know Aug 20 15:39:45 makes sense Aug 20 15:42:09 thanks Aug 20 15:44:04 X-Fade: how can I get osc build harmattan to actually fetch the harmattan packages? or am I assumed to dump them into /var/tmp/osbuild-packagecache/? Aug 20 15:44:34 javispedro: it should do that automatically Aug 20 15:44:53 lbt: it tries to wget from repo.pub.meego.com but they're not there. Aug 20 15:45:33 mmm yes, it's noisy about that. it should fallback to another method later on Aug 20 15:45:37 aaaaaaah Aug 20 15:45:38 just leave it to run Aug 20 15:45:43 ok, thanks Aug 20 15:46:13 ISTR the OBS now prepares a *huge* cpio for you Aug 20 15:46:19 (it's like 300 packages so it'll take a while just for the roundtrips) Aug 20 15:46:48 yeah ... we're in a bad spot atm Aug 20 15:46:59 the maemo.org obs is 2.3 and c.obs is 2.1 Aug 20 15:47:06 not super-compatible Aug 20 15:47:09 :( Aug 20 15:47:21 we can't upgrade just yet... soon though Aug 20 15:47:25 (weeks) Aug 20 15:47:37 ah Aug 20 15:47:40 so COBS is 2.1?? Aug 20 15:47:45 that might explain the debian -j4 thing Aug 20 15:47:55 yes Aug 20 15:48:01 thank god. Aug 20 15:48:01 latest 2,1 Aug 20 15:48:05 ah. Aug 20 15:48:21 I meant it was changed early this year iirc, so the change might not have been in 2.1 Aug 20 15:48:31 so supposedly with the upgrade to 2.3 it'll fix by itself. Aug 20 15:48:42 that'd be nice Aug 20 15:48:59 and I am kinda keeping my head in the sand until 2.3 Aug 20 15:49:08 as you can guess .. 2.2 never happend Aug 20 15:49:22 so the gap is fairly big Aug 20 15:49:39 and it's not worth spending ages solving 2.1 issues Aug 20 15:50:22 cant get the meego default music player to un-mute. Aug 20 15:50:36 I'll update the getting started wiki page with this "just wait" piece of info for local builds Aug 20 15:51:03 ta Aug 20 16:59:15 * javispedro curses and ponders downloading a opensuse vm Aug 20 17:00:37 osc build seems to make many assumptions about its host, and conflicts with sb1's binfmt_misc :( Aug 20 17:00:42 ah Aug 20 17:00:43 sec Aug 20 17:00:55 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building#Co-existing_with_Scratchbox Aug 20 17:01:01 yes, mer comes to the rescue Aug 20 17:01:01 :P Aug 20 17:01:47 yeah, I know how to do that specially since I found out that Gentoo does not package qemu-binfmt-conf.sh Aug 20 17:02:19 and I can run /sbin/ldconfig inside the build-root but still get -ENOFILE when using osc :( Aug 20 17:02:30 oh Aug 20 17:02:32 * javispedro ponders Aug 20 17:02:37 shouldn't qemu be inside the chroot too? Aug 20 17:02:42 yess Aug 20 17:02:51 then I bet I need to make a static build... Aug 20 17:03:26 yes Aug 20 18:39:36 lbt re libreoffice Aug 20 18:40:06 yeah having it available in a simple manner for the netbook build at least is good Aug 20 18:40:20 it is ok as it is for console savvy users Aug 20 18:47:23 lcuk doesn't it (libreoffice) require java run time? and isn't that a problem? Aug 20 18:47:59 RhymeswA, yes it is required Aug 20 18:47:59 http://wiki.meego.com/LibreOffice Aug 20 18:48:13 the first step to installing libreoffice Aug 20 18:48:17 is to install java Aug 20 18:48:17 http://wiki.meego.com/Java Aug 20 18:48:25 the installation is fairly simple Aug 20 18:48:45 and the instructions are correct in that libreoffice is installed and works Aug 20 18:49:10 it is just extra manual steps which with a nice apps interface we should not require Aug 20 18:49:17 Ahh, .... thnks Aug 20 18:49:48 even the spreadsheet works Aug 20 18:49:54 * lcuk smiles Aug 20 18:50:16 Whoo! Aug 20 18:52:20 I am please it works, I transfered a set of documents over last night and hadn't realised it was not installed by default Aug 20 18:54:12 I'll try it later, ... Aug 20 19:09:03 http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit-google-maps-streetview.png Aug 20 19:09:25 ^^^ dropped onto a random island, found penguins :-) Aug 20 19:19:25 how i got there: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit-google-maps-satellite.png Aug 20 19:19:40 ^^^ screenshots from harmattan Aug 20 19:20:27 hehe Aug 20 19:33:25 lol npm Aug 20 19:36:41 evening Aug 20 19:38:06 hiya timoph \o Aug 20 19:38:20 how is your weekend? Aug 20 19:38:30 ok Aug 20 19:38:31 * lcuk ate ice cream and played games at Blackpool today Aug 20 19:39:09 tried to stay away from computers this weekend but failed Aug 20 19:39:37 heh we have xfactor on tv so somewhat distracted myself Aug 20 19:40:18 I thought of writing a simple qml media player for CE Aug 20 19:40:56 cool Aug 20 19:41:10 MohammadAG, would the maemo community media player actually work here Aug 20 19:41:22 save duplicating if it already would Aug 20 19:42:54 haven't looked into it Aug 20 19:43:24 but anyway it's pretty easy to do with qtmultimediakit qml bindings Aug 20 19:44:26 yeah timoph, I just recall when it was written it was with a mind to using it on meego too Aug 20 19:45:21 * timoph checks if google knows where the sources for it are Aug 20 19:48:36 found it Aug 20 19:58:30 * Myrtti is playing with Arduino Aug 20 20:16:16 Myrtti, are you tinkering or wanting to make something specific? Aug 20 20:16:22 * lcuk likes arduinos Aug 20 20:17:51 lcuk: probably doing a tweeting doorbell Aug 20 20:17:57 well, D is Aug 20 20:18:02 heh Aug 20 20:18:11 I'll get a lilypad and do something nice with that Aug 20 20:18:56 Myrtti, there was an awesome arduino powered piece at Intel Remastered exhibition Aug 20 20:27:54 Any sign of slides from LinuxCon this week? I can't find them yet. Are they up at meego.com? Aug 20 20:34:25 Alison_Chaiken, how is LinuxCon related to meego.com? :) Apart from that I'd expect videos at https://video.linux.com/video/ at some point... Aug 20 20:40:41 it's an LF event and there's a big MeeGo presence Aug 20 20:43:12 thiago, the LF keynote at the MeeGo Conference didn't have much MeeGo presence, why should an LF event? *eg* Aug 20 20:45:03 the rest of the meego conference had a lot of meego content Aug 20 20:45:38 * w00t_ pokes at ofono a bit Aug 20 20:49:55 GAN900: *snerk* Aug 20 20:49:58 meanie Aug 20 20:55:41 andre_ there was a whole meego track at LinuxCon last week. Say what you like, I want to see the slides! If not a video too. Aug 20 20:56:19 GAN900, BTW, I agree that the keynote at the MeeGoCon in May sucked, and I said so on the post-conference survey, and put my name on it too. Aug 20 20:56:42 I gave the keynote 1/5 stars, and put my email on. I'm a "member" of Linux Foundation, FWIW. Aug 20 21:03:44 thiago, thank god. Aug 20 21:08:55 andre__: it has the same guy giving the keynote,,,, :D Aug 20 21:09:48 Alison_Chaiken: what is a "member" of LF ? Aug 20 21:10:33 lbt: yay! in case it's already online, shall I get the popcorn? I didn't attend the keynote in SF either for good reasons ;-) Aug 20 21:11:55 lessee, given the MeeGo keynote I'm expecting the LinuxCon one to have lots about .... programming in C Aug 20 21:21:25 Who said anything about the stinking keynote? https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon/meego-mini-summit Aug 20 21:21:33 meego-mini-summit! Aug 20 21:21:35 lcuk: seems to be too maemo specific plus it's qwidget based Aug 20 21:23:43 hmm odd link Aug 20 21:24:48 see I noticed that https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon/schedule shows that the friday session has a guy from Nomovok speaking at 4pm Aug 20 21:34:21 timoph ah i thought it was built a bit more generically Aug 20 21:40:26 need more info on using Accounts&SSO from Qt App :-) Aug 20 21:40:48 examples will be very delightful! :-) mardy ? Aug 20 22:13:21 andre__, you missed out on our peanut gallery. Aug 20 22:13:53 GAN900, meh. now what does that mean? Aug 20 22:14:06 Am I socially isolated now in this community, finally? Aug 20 22:29:56 andre__, well, there was a group of about a dozen of us there being very snarky. Aug 20 22:30:26 andre__, you did see the peanut package picture? Aug 20 22:35:46 GAN900, nope Aug 20 22:35:51 GAN900, are you talking about when people in here were staring at disbelief when someone was explaining what a PNG is? Aug 20 22:45:53 andre__, http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5751457913/ Aug 20 22:46:06 ShadowJK, nah, that was a different talk. Aug 20 22:46:12 This was Zemlin's keynote. Aug 20 22:46:12 crap, I didn't have the "automatically check for new mail" flag set for the maemo-community folder. sigh. welcome hundreds of new emails :) Aug 20 22:46:32 ehehe Aug 20 23:55:19 Hi Aug 20 23:55:27 hi Aug 20 23:55:48 :( Aug 21 01:06:23 Hi, are there any reccomended tablets for meego? Aug 21 01:48:18 crazedpsyc: might be better off asking in about 6 ~ 8 hours Aug 21 01:51:04 CosmoHill: Ok, thanks. I'm about to sleep anyway :) Aug 21 01:51:17 that's why nobody has responded :) Aug 21 01:51:23 I should have gone to bed 3 hours ago Aug 21 01:51:44 hehe Aug 21 01:51:54 only one hour here ;) Aug 21 01:56:20 Hey all... anyone want to discuss SSSE3 for a second? Aug 21 01:57:04 I'm sure it's a conversation that's been beaten into the ground, just curious as to what level of performance gain it's given Meego (and thus Meego requires it) Aug 21 01:57:43 BTW, I've been demoing meego - you devels have done a GREAT job on it, I'm quite impressed. Aug 21 01:57:54 what's to discuss about it ? Aug 21 01:58:36 berndhs: Well, for one... say I have a laptop without ssse3 cpu extensions and I think I'm bold enough to recompile kernel without it... what loss will I see? Aug 21 01:58:55 madsara: it's not just the kernel Aug 21 01:59:07 A number of packages as well.. Aug 21 01:59:28 on that particular laptop you won't see any loss :) Aug 21 01:59:48 You mocking my T42 Thinkpad? Aug 21 01:59:54 netbooks which are targeted by MeeGo use SSSE3 cos they need everything they can get Aug 21 01:59:54 Heh. Aug 21 02:01:17 * CosmoHill 's motor skills are going cos he should have been in bed 3 hours ago Aug 21 02:03:04 i still dont like deb packaging Aug 21 02:07:39 i have to build the package before I submit it to the build service Aug 21 02:11:21 uh oh, is meego based on debian? Aug 21 02:13:57 crazedpsyc: no Aug 21 02:14:46 crazedpsyc: there is a branch of meego used by a Nokia device that is deb based Aug 21 02:15:32 Ah, ok Aug 21 02:16:13 What does the regular version of Meego use then? I am an arch (pacman) fan myself Aug 21 02:19:44 rpm Aug 21 02:19:57 Ok, cool Aug 21 02:21:00 not that rpm packaging is any better than deb packaging Aug 21 02:21:13 rpm is somewhat cleaner to make Aug 21 02:21:21 it's virtually identical Aug 21 02:21:23 you don't have to coordinate a pile of control files Aug 21 02:21:33 and you don't have to mess within the source tree Aug 21 02:21:55 the end up doing pretty much the same things, sure Aug 21 02:22:21 with RPM, all the stuff that goes in separate files under deb, all goes in one big file, with no structure or order Aug 21 02:22:50 yes it is in one file, so you know what version of that file you're dealing with Aug 21 02:22:51 they both allow packagers to do truly horrible things in the prep stage Aug 21 02:23:06 with deb, you have to synchronize a bunch of little files Aug 21 02:23:26 you still have the problem with rpm, with the patches Aug 21 02:23:40 I avoid having patches :) Aug 21 02:24:06 but I especially find messing within the source tree distasteful Aug 21 02:35:01 Are you guys using an onscreen keyboard? Aug 21 02:35:13 I installed the meego virtual keyboard, doesn't seem to appear anywhere. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 21 02:59:57 2011