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Mar 15 14:43:03 <Heinrich> hello
Mar 15 14:43:12 <ByronT> hello
Mar 15 14:43:51 <Heinrich> I've got a quick question.  
Mar 15 14:44:06 <ByronT> fire away
Mar 15 14:44:13 <Heinrich> Would it be possible to port drivers to the NSLU2 for it to support an iPod?
Mar 15 14:45:02 <ByronT> are there linux drivers for ipod's already?
Mar 15 14:45:24 <Heinrich> I'm not sure
Mar 15 14:45:38 <Heinrich> I can check, 1 second
Mar 15 14:45:59 <Heinrich> http://www.cs.duke.edu/~geha/ipod/
Mar 15 14:46:35 <ByronT> well, unslung is a 2.4x kernel...  (linksys kernel)
Mar 15 14:46:51 <ByronT> openslug is 2.6x kernel though
Mar 15 14:47:45 <ByronT> I don't know why it wouldn't be possible....
Mar 15 14:48:07 <Heinrich> do you know how much work it would take? or even the steps
Mar 15 14:49:51 <ByronT> it would be more geared toward openslug, and you could use that page as a basic recipe...
Mar 15 14:50:01 <Heinrich> Would be cool if I could hook up my iPods base station to the NSLU2 then have a web interface and have it transfer music from the HDD to the ipod
Mar 15 14:50:44 <ByronT> sounds neat... add it to the wishlist 
Mar 15 14:50:47 <Heinrich> I have never done linux programming nor cross compiling
Mar 15 14:53:08 <ByronT> not everybody has  ;) ;)
Mar 15 14:54:01 <Heinrich> correct, I would help but no clue where to start and I dont want to screw up my NSLU2 :)
Mar 15 14:54:24 <ByronT> the HowTo's have been recently cleaned up...
Mar 15 14:54:39 <ByronT> and you can always reflash back to Linksys
Mar 15 14:54:56 <ByronT> there's no telling how many times I've flashed my nslu2s
Mar 15 14:56:44 <Heinrich> your probably some sort of Microsoft Master Programmer heheh I'm to stuip for this complicated stuff
Mar 15 14:57:04 <ByronT> not really... just the doco guy
Mar 15 14:58:58 <Heinrich> doco?
Mar 15 14:59:26 <ByronT> documentation....  that README and NOTES that come with Unslung firmware...
Mar 15 14:59:59 <Heinrich> oh
Mar 15 15:00:20 <Heinrich> well, i will try and mess w/ it, to see what i can come up w/
Mar 15 15:01:03 <ByronT> good luck..  there's plenty of ppl that can try to help in #nslu2-linux as well
Mar 15 15:01:15 <ByronT> you are running unslung?
Mar 15 15:01:44 <Heinrich> ya
Mar 15 15:02:17 <ByronT> that's a start...
Mar 15 15:02:50 <Heinrich> took me a while to figure it out...but i got it hehe
Mar 15 15:03:17 <ByronT> what ipkgs have you played with?
Mar 15 15:05:04 <Heinrich> none...i just installed the twonkyvision media server that servers my roku soundbridge
Mar 15 15:05:22 <Heinrich> and thats the only thing im runnin atm
Mar 15 15:05:54 <ByronT> cool..  you're on your way...  mt-daapd has to be one of the most popular  (especially if you're already an iPod/iTunes user)
Mar 15 15:06:09 <ByronT> nano for editing files on the nslu2 is very useful...
Mar 15 15:06:50 <Heinrich> yeah i had that runnin but not much of a iTunes user
Mar 15 15:07:07 <Heinrich> so removed it
Mar 15 15:07:21 <ByronT> mt-daapd is what got me involved in the first place
Mar 15 15:07:56 <Heinrich> oh really
Mar 15 15:08:10 <Heinrich> u helped develope it
Mar 15 15:08:12 <Heinrich> ?
Mar 15 15:08:22 <ByronT> oh no... just installed and used it
Mar 15 15:08:30 <ByronT> but complained about the documentation
Mar 15 15:09:15 <ByronT> and one of the "rules" of this community is that if you complain/ask questions, you're bound to contribute back - by either fixing the problem or writing up the answers
Mar 15 15:09:31 <Heinrich> hehe
Mar 15 15:09:53 <ByronT> I ended up reworking the README.txt file...  and now here I am
Mar 15 15:10:18 <Heinrich> koo, but you do know all this compiling stuff eh
Mar 15 15:11:06 <ByronT> still working on getting a dedicated computer to do that - in fact, I'm building a clone of the "official" build machine
Mar 15 15:12:09 <Heinrich> what are the specifs tothe official build machine
Mar 15 15:12:30 <ByronT> they are published on the wiki...
Mar 15 15:13:03 <Heinrich> the site needs to be redone
Mar 15 15:13:30 <ByronT> if you can follow directions (most ppl can...  ;) ), click on "OpenEmbedded Builds" and there is a "GettingStarted" link and "StepByStepSetup" link
Mar 15 15:13:31 <Heinrich> just to much shit everywhere...needs to be more streightforward
Mar 15 15:13:44 <Heinrich> isthat OpenEmbedded any good
Mar 15 15:13:45 <Heinrich> ?
Mar 15 15:14:07 <ByronT> OpenEmbedded is the backbone of development for embedded linux processors
Mar 15 15:14:45 <ByronT> and search the wiki is how to find most stuff
Mar 15 15:14:54 <Heinrich> yeah i did do some reading a while back on the OE stuff
Mar 15 15:15:08 <ByronT> we're working on cleaning up the site - with the fork in development
Mar 15 15:15:40 <ByronT> but with no one "paid" to do this, it can only be done when ppl spend the time and effor to help out
Mar 15 15:16:30 <Heinrich> well if i get a new site w/ all the info added etc..would u think the main person incharge ofthis would update
Mar 15 15:18:15 <ByronT> the wiki site is a community page, if you feel like a page would be better organized a different way, then by all means, organize it and help us all out
Mar 15 15:19:29 <Heinrich> well i like how ppl can change the content (amazed no hackers havent gone mad w/ it yet) but a more orginized site would help n00bs alot..bc it took me 3 days to get this figured out when i got it for the first time
Mar 15 15:20:49 <ByronT> NewUsersGuide is the starting point...  (but that is just a copy of the NOTES that is included with Unslung firmware)
Mar 15 15:21:36 <Heinrich> well let me correct myself lol..the unslung firmware was EASY...np at all, just isntallin twonkyvision was a bitch since i didnt know the basics of how the system was setup
Mar 15 15:22:12 <ByronT> as I said...  you are certainly welcome to help out with better instructions  (after all, that's how I got involved...)
Mar 15 15:22:27 <Heinrich> yeah of course...i'll see what i can do
Mar 15 15:22:37 <ByronT> we appreciate it!
Mar 15 15:23:12 <Heinrich> :)
Mar 15 15:23:58 <Heinrich> well i g2g, but i'll bb within a week or so and keep yall updated
Mar 15 15:24:09 <ByronT> good luck!
Mar 15 16:52:40 <MrSLU2> hi ppl
Mar 15 16:53:05 <ByronT> hello
Mar 15 16:54:26 <MrSLU2> My SLUG keeps disconnecting the share
Mar 15 16:55:00 <ByronT> you have upnp disabled - on both the computer and the nslu2?
Mar 15 16:55:02 <MrSLU2> But does not drop any pings though. Comments?
Mar 15 16:55:21 <MrSLU2> I haven't dbislaed uPnp. let me try that
Mar 15 16:55:42 <ByronT> imho, upnp is a poorly designed crutch
Mar 15 16:56:21 <MrSLU2> sorry
Mar 15 16:56:30 <ByronT> np
Mar 15 16:56:50 <ByronT> I was just stating that I believe that upnp is a poorly designed crutch
Mar 15 16:57:00 <ByronT> one that tends to help keep one's legs broken
Mar 15 16:58:28 <MrSLU2> I suppose, I am using a Mac BTW, so there is n uPnP on it
Mar 15 16:58:53 <MrSLU2> I did notice that connections to DISK2 don't have that problem.
Mar 15 16:58:59 <ByronT> they call it something different... but there is a Mac implementation of it
Mar 15 16:59:22 <ByronT> now that's interesting...
Mar 15 16:59:57 <MrSLU2> 'coz last night I left my Mac to copy 27GB to DISK2, and it completed successfully
Mar 15 17:00:15 <MrSLU2> Could it be the enclosure and/or the HDD?
Mar 15 17:00:27 <MrSLU2> That is causing the problem on DISK1?
Mar 15 17:00:37 <ByronT> well there is an outstanding issue (somewhere's) about large disk transfers...
Mar 15 17:01:23 <MrSLU2> Yes, causing problems on DISK1. The copying stalls randombly but usually stops at about a gig or so of transfer
Mar 15 17:01:43 <ByronT> does it completely loose the connection?
Mar 15 17:01:57 <ByronT> I have 3 slugs and really haven't run into the problem
Mar 15 17:02:03 <MrSLU2> Yes, the disk share becomes unavailable for a few seconds
Mar 15 17:02:08 <MrSLU2> and the transfer stops
Mar 15 17:02:09 <ByronT> and all of mine are plugged into disk 1
Mar 15 17:02:17 <MrSLU2> but contious pings remain fine to the slug
Mar 15 17:02:22 <MrSLU2> no dropped packets 
Mar 15 17:02:40 <ByronT> one Lacie big disk, and two bytecc ME-740U2 enclosures
Mar 15 17:04:28 <MrSLU2> I might try getting another enclosure and see if the problem persists
Mar 15 17:04:58 <MrSLU2> BTW, I followed the procedure on the website to update the password for root
Mar 15 17:05:13 <MrSLU2> but it doesn't seem to stick after a HD is attached
Mar 15 17:05:18 <ByronT> ah!
Mar 15 17:05:36 <ByronT> the hd will have a symlinked passwd file as well
Mar 15 17:06:14 <MrSLU2> I thought I took care of that 
Mar 15 17:06:36 <ByronT> the easiest way that I know of is to do the backup config method
Mar 15 17:06:46 <ByronT> with a virgin nslu2
Mar 15 17:07:05 <ByronT> in fact, I have a saved configuration that I use to do it
Mar 15 17:08:29 <MrSLU2> Can I use it to set  password then?
Mar 15 17:09:30 <MrSLU2> Back
Mar 15 17:09:42 <MrSLU2> Finally, with a real IRC client :P
Mar 15 17:10:02 <MrSLU2> ByronT, there?
Mar 15 17:10:09 <ByronT> yep
Mar 15 17:10:36 <MrSLU2> So any solution for the root password?
Mar 15 17:11:11 <ByronT> use the linksys web interface to backup config
Mar 15 17:11:32 <ByronT> use something like 7-zip file manager to open and browse the backed up file
Mar 15 17:11:52 <ByronT> get the /etc/passwd file open and copy a known password over the root password
Mar 15 17:12:04 <ByronT> exit out of 7-zip
Mar 15 17:12:17 <ByronT> upload the configuration back onto the slug
Mar 15 17:12:29 <MrSLU2> OK
Mar 15 17:12:34 <ByronT> root passwd changed everywhere (hd needs to be attached)
Mar 15 17:13:19 * MrSLU2 is booting VirtualPC
Mar 15 17:14:33 <ByronT> you can do it with mac (I think that finder will browse the .bin file)
Mar 15 17:19:18 <MrSLU2> Lemme try that then 
Mar 15 17:24:34 <MrSLU2> ByronT, so the third field is the password field?
Mar 15 17:26:52 <ByronT> sorry... was working on one of the three computers at my desk
Mar 15 17:26:59 <ByronT> didn't see this window
Mar 15 17:27:11 <MrSLU2> can I send you the file?
Mar 15 17:27:17 <MrSLU2> I don't want to screw this up
Mar 15 17:27:27 <ByronT> hmmm...  if you look at the file, you should see  root:@#$%asdfhkwer:.....
Mar 15 17:27:59 <ByronT> and then later in the file you should see your known username:#$%@#$asdfsadf.....
Mar 15 17:28:10 <MrSLU2> Oops, opened by the smbpasswd file instead.
Mar 15 17:28:44 <ByronT> copy the stuff after the colon after your known userid - that's the encrypted version of your known password
Mar 15 17:29:01 <ByronT> and then paste it on top of the stuff after the colon after root
Mar 15 17:29:20 <MrSLU2> I did
Mar 15 17:29:36 <MrSLU2> Now I have to recompress the directory as config.bin?
Mar 15 17:29:50 <ByronT> what are you using to browse the file?
Mar 15 17:30:19 <MrSLU2> I download 7-zip
Mar 15 17:30:22 <MrSLU2> +ed
Mar 15 17:30:36 <MrSLU2> do I rename the .bin to a recognized extension?
Mar 15 17:30:41 <ByronT> nah...
Mar 15 17:31:01 <ByronT> I used the internal editor of 7-zip
Mar 15 17:31:27 <ByronT> and once I exited the editor of 7-zip, it asked me about replacing the passwd file in the .bin
Mar 15 17:33:32 <MrSLU2> OK, updated.
Mar 15 17:34:14 <MrSLU2> Let me upload it
Mar 15 17:34:15 <MrSLU2> sec
Mar 15 17:36:29 <MrSLU2> That worked!
Mar 15 17:36:36 <MrSLU2> Thank you!
Mar 15 17:37:01 <MrSLU2> One more question: Why do I need to enable telnet everytime I reboot the slug?
Mar 15 17:37:29 <ByronT> don't use telnet...  ipkg install dropbear or openssh
Mar 15 17:37:42 <MrSLU2> ah
Mar 15 17:38:10 <MrSLU2> which is faster?
Mar 15 17:38:20 <ByronT> telnet is insecure
Mar 15 17:38:28 <ByronT> dropbear is smaller/slower
Mar 15 17:38:36 <ByronT> openssh is bigge/faster
Mar 15 17:38:44 <MrSLU2> I'll use the faster one then ;)
Mar 15 17:39:45 <MrSLU2> I have mt-daapd running on this, which is awesome!
Mar 15 17:40:08 <ByronT> yep...  mt-daapd is what caused me to get involved
Mar 15 17:40:30 <MrSLU2> I appreciate your time in helping me with this.
Mar 15 17:41:05 <MrSLU2> Are you on AIM?
Mar 15 17:41:31 <ByronT> don't really use im
Mar 15 17:41:46 <ByronT> I use it for my clients  (the paying ones...  ;)  )
Mar 15 17:41:51 <MrSLU2> hehe
Mar 15 17:42:15 <MrSLU2> Is there no way to permanently enable telnet tho?
Mar 15 17:43:12 <ByronT> you can...  but with ssh running (via dropbear or openssh), you don't need telnet
Mar 15 17:43:49 <ByronT> if you search for "diversion scripts" in the wiki, the example is telnet enabled by default
Mar 15 17:44:12 <ByronT> but telnet is insecure - and ssh is as fast (if not faster) and secure
Mar 15 17:44:30 <MrSLU2> it's still downloading openssh
Mar 15 17:44:32 <MrSLU2> Hmmm
Mar 15 17:44:45 <ByronT> with your iMac, open up Terminal and type ssh -2 ip.of.your.nslu2
Mar 15 17:45:06 <ByronT> and it should open another terminal window - but this time running ssh into your nslu2
Mar 15 17:45:31 <MrSLU2> I know how to use ssh, was just hoping to avoid the install of the ipkg which seemed to hang last time.
Mar 15 17:46:01 <MrSLU2> Ack, my SLUG timed out :(
Mar 15 17:46:53 <MrSLU2> Gotta be an enclosure problem...
Mar 15 17:47:06 <MrSLU2> Wish they supported firewire on the NSL
Mar 15 17:47:12 <MrSLU2> Much more stable than USB2.0
Mar 15 17:47:22 <ByronT> enclosure chipsets are funny
Mar 15 17:50:15 <MrSLU2> It's installed and working!
Mar 15 17:51:16 <ByronT> as it should...  
Mar 15 17:53:04 <MrSLU2> Now to fix Nano's export variables required
Mar 15 17:53:52 <MrSLU2> Do I put the export lines in /etc/profile?
Mar 15 17:54:04 <ByronT> that's the place (IIRC)
Mar 15 17:55:05 <MrSLU2> profile being the file?
Mar 15 17:55:46 <MrSLU2> I guess I can reboot it and see
Mar 15 17:55:47 <MrSLU2> :P
Mar 15 17:55:49 <ByronT> hmmm...  one sec
Mar 15 17:58:35 <ByronT> actually  the .profile file goes into /root
Mar 15 18:00:01 <MrSLU2> OK, gonna reboot it
Mar 15 18:02:47 <MrSLU2> It's all working. Excellent!
Mar 15 18:05:21 <ByronT> :D
Mar 15 18:07:50 * MrSLU2 does a happy dance
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