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Jul 25 00:46:16 <becreuz> ehrm. question. are there any plans to use hal at some point?
Jul 25 03:36:30 <Klendathu> hi
Jul 25 03:36:34 <Klendathu> what's hal?
Jul 25 03:50:46 <becreuz> automagic automounting of all supported media :)
Jul 25 03:50:48 <becreuz> gnome and kde use it
Jul 25 03:51:14 <Klendathu> ah
Jul 25 03:54:00 <Klendathu> we're running out of sane acronyms
Jul 25 03:54:36 <becreuz> yeah we did that around the beginning of the seventies ;)
Jul 25 03:57:11 <becreuz> nice. ruby on rails running on my third nslu2 off of a memstick ;)
Jul 25 03:58:40 <Klendathu> yeah it's not that hard to run of a memstick i noticed
Jul 25 03:58:59 <becreuz> next is setting that one up to the g5 via bluetooth :)
Jul 25 03:59:07 <Klendathu> nice
Jul 25 03:59:26 <Klendathu> i'm only working to replace my dell server functionality
Jul 25 03:59:39 <Klendathu> so i can finally switch that loud thing off
Jul 25 04:00:08 <becreuz> hehe i use one as a fileserver, one as a daapd daemon and the third will be my little plaything to be used and abused like a cheap polish you know what
Jul 25 12:44:31 <Klendathu> bummer
Jul 25 12:44:47 <Klendathu> squirrelmail with php-thttpd runs quite slow
Jul 25 13:28:45 <Burton> anyone up for some newbie questions?
Jul 25 13:32:34 <caplink811_log> try it
Jul 25 13:34:09 <Burton> heh! the damn thing works!
Jul 25 13:34:44 <Burton> have been having problems with my nslu2 for weeks, but now it suddenly started working
Jul 25 13:36:55 <caplink811_log> well, just another satisfied customer ;-)
Jul 25 13:37:18 <Burton> hehe, yep
Jul 25 13:52:29 <Burton> how do I confirm that the root filesystem is being loaded from the external disk, after I have completed unslingnging and have rebooted?
Jul 25 13:54:31 <caplink811_log> use the df command, which should give you an output like that
Jul 25 13:54:55 <caplink811_log> Filesystem           1k-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
Jul 25 13:54:55 <caplink811_log> rootfs                76777888  45368604  30629252  60% /
Jul 25 13:54:55 <caplink811_log> /dev/sda1                 6528      5308      1220  81% /initrd
Jul 25 13:54:55 <caplink811_log> /dev/sda1             76777888  45368604  30629252  60% /
Jul 25 13:54:57 <caplink811_log> /dev/sda1             76777888  45368604  30629252  60% /share/hdd/data
Jul 25 13:54:57 <caplink811_log> /dev/sda2               116661      6985    108472   6% /share/hdd/conf
Jul 25 13:55:25 <caplink811_log> rootfs should equal in size to /dev/sda1
Jul 25 13:56:09 <Burton> ok, thanks
Jul 25 13:57:12 <caplink811_log> np
Jul 25 14:03:34 <Burton> ok, now I have another problem:
Jul 25 14:04:46 <Burton> when I run ipkg update
Jul 25 14:04:54 <Burton> Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/cross/Packages.gz
Jul 25 14:04:59 <Burton> Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/native/Packages.gz
Jul 25 14:05:07 <Burton> Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/oe/Packages.gz
Jul 25 14:05:12 <Burton> An error ocurred, return value: 3.
Jul 25 14:05:17 <Burton> Collected errors:
Jul 25 14:05:24 <Burton> ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp
Jul 25 14:05:30 <Burton> -q -P /tmp/ipkg-uWwtUR http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/cross/Packages
Jul 25 14:05:36 <Burton> .gz'
Jul 25 14:05:41 <Burton> and so on..
Jul 25 14:07:32 <Burton> caplink811_log: do you have any idea of what is wrong now?
Jul 25 14:23:39 <Burton> sorry, found the faq
Jul 25 14:27:19 <Klendathu> good
Jul 25 14:46:52 <Klendathu> i run into a strange problem with squirrelmail and php-thttpd, almost everything works apart from sending email
Jul 25 14:47:13 <Klendathu> the webinterface returns immediately after i hit the send button
Jul 25 14:47:36 <Klendathu> and no email is sent nor saved into Sent box
Jul 25 14:51:13 <Klendathu> maybe apache would be a better choice for webserver
Jul 25 15:43:34 <Klendathu> it works with apache
Jul 25 15:47:11 <gilesw> maybe you need sendmail
Jul 25 15:47:46 <Burton> anyone still awake?
Jul 25 15:56:07 <BeBoxer> Greetings!
Jul 25 15:57:41 <Burton> hello
Jul 25 15:58:42 <BeBoxer> I want to unsling my new slug, but I can't get the download page to work.
Jul 25 15:59:22 <Burton> how do I use a package after I have installed it on the slug, I have installed "ctorrent" and "py-torrent" but have no idea of how to use them
Jul 25 15:59:54 <BeBoxer> I check 'yes' on the license page and click submit, but it just reloads the license page.
Jul 25 15:59:57 <BeBoxer> Weird.
Jul 25 16:00:47 <Burton> do you have any pop-up stopper installed?
Jul 25 16:00:55 <gilesw> man ctorrent might work
Jul 25 16:01:05 <gilesw> i'm getting my slug this week
Jul 25 16:01:21 <gilesw> hope it isn't too slow compared to normal samba server
Jul 25 16:01:57 <BeBoxer> Just the firefox pop-up blocker, but it tells be when it blocks a pop-up.
Jul 25 16:01:59 <Burton> no, that did'nt work
Jul 25 16:02:06 <Burton> ok
Jul 25 16:04:02 <Burton> if I type "find -name ctorrent" only: /opt/bin/ctorrent shows up. 
Jul 25 16:04:34 <Burton> and I cant use "cd" to get in the ctorrent directory or whatever that is
Jul 25 16:05:50 <Klendathu> burton: ipkg files ctorrent
Jul 25 16:07:03 <Klendathu>  /opt/bin/ctorrent is a program, not a directory
Jul 25 16:08:04 <Burton> aha, damn im stupid some times
Jul 25 16:08:04 <Klendathu> beboxer: what is the url of the download page you are trying to access?
Jul 25 16:08:46 <BeBoxer> http://www.unslung.org/clickthru.php?p=download&f=Unslung-5.5-beta-firmware.zip&l=ixp_license.txt&k=6bc65c17ac10f4013e433a1103baa34f
Jul 25 16:11:54 <Burton> if i have a .torrent -file on L:, can I type /opt/bin/ctorrent l:\torrent.torrent ?
Jul 25 16:15:54 <Klendathu> BeBoxer, works for me ok
Jul 25 16:16:02 <Klendathu> i get a firefox save as window
Jul 25 16:16:47 <Klendathu> burton: i don't know, i'm not a torrent user
Jul 25 16:16:55 <Burton> ok
Jul 25 16:17:15 <Klendathu> but l:\filename clashes with /opt/bin/ctorrent
Jul 25 16:17:28 <Klendathu> the former is a windows path and the latter unix
Jul 25 16:17:35 <Burton> ok
Jul 25 16:17:55 <Klendathu> what does ctorrent --help do?
Jul 25 16:18:15 <Klendathu> in a telnet session, that is
Jul 25 16:18:56 <Burton> it shows some info. but thats not helping me, im not used to these kind of commands
Jul 25 16:19:19 <BeBoxer> Klendathu, cool. It must be something on my end then. Who knowns what. I'll keep digging. Thanks.
Jul 25 16:19:42 <Burton> I have a z: drive connected to the nslu, atleast its z: in windows
Jul 25 16:20:31 <Burton> What im not understanding is how you open a file on the z: drive from telnet
Jul 25 16:21:37 <Burton> can I browse the files on the hdd from telnet somehow?
Jul 25 16:22:38 <BeBoxer> I don't have mine set up yet, but normally 'df' will tell you what partitions are mounted and where.
Jul 25 16:24:15 <Klendathu> burton: you can login to the nslu2 with telnet and look at the files, yes
Jul 25 16:24:47 <Klendathu> most likely the files on 'z:' will be in /share/hdd/data/public
Jul 25 16:25:02 <Klendathu> if I understand your situation correctly
Jul 25 16:25:38 <Klendathu> you can 'browse' with telnet by issuing cd commands
Jul 25 16:26:53 <Klendathu> some info on how to start with ctorrent http://ctorrent.sourceforge.net/?action=started
Jul 25 16:28:52 <Burton> thanks
Jul 25 16:29:03 <Burton> you have been alot of help to me
Jul 25 16:30:44 <Klendathu> try to find a small unix primer, it's not complicated but you need to know some basic programs and facts in order to use files and folders etc.
Jul 25 16:33:31 <Klendathu> i'm off, it's rather late
Jul 25 16:40:31 <thedmt> can somebody help me? I'm new to unslung. I installed but I don't know how to start it.
Jul 25 16:54:38 <BeBoxer> I just got my today, so I haven't set it up yet. But what are you trying to start?
Jul 25 17:02:47 <thedmt> The application Nload
Jul 25 17:03:10 <thedmt> (sorry for late reply, I was searching the web again)
Jul 25 17:03:56 <thedmt> Via ipkg i've installed Nload. But I can't run it. And i'm new to linux, so maybe I need to do something more to make it run.
Jul 25 17:04:43 <BeBoxer> I assume you have a shell, since you ran ipkg. Try '/opt/bin/nload'.
Jul 25 17:04:48 <thedmt> In the console I type nload to start it. But the only thing I get is command nog found
Jul 25 17:05:03 <thedmt> ok, i'll try....
Jul 25 17:05:41 <BeBoxer> That seems to be the only file installed by the package.
Jul 25 17:06:19 <thedmt> bash: nload: command not found
Jul 25 17:06:29 <thedmt> oeps, cut/paste won't work..
Jul 25 17:07:07 <thedmt> Error opening terminal: unknown
Jul 25 17:07:36 <thedmt> that's what I get when I type what you said.
Jul 25 17:07:38 <BeBoxer> That's probably a bit trickier to fix. 
Jul 25 17:08:25 <thedmt> Ok, it was the first I tried cause it seemed a easy program to run from the command.
Jul 25 17:08:42 <BeBoxer> run 'echo $TERM'. What does it say? 
Jul 25 17:08:57 <BeBoxer> It should tell you what type of terminal you are using.
Jul 25 17:09:50 <thedmt> Nothing, just a empty line
Jul 25 17:10:44 <BeBoxer> OK, that means the terminal type is unset. nload is a 'curses' program and needs to know what type of terminal you are on.
Jul 25 17:10:57 <thedmt> oh, ok...
Jul 25 17:11:13 <thedmt> so I need to set. 
Jul 25 17:11:23 <thedmt> Is that easy?
Jul 25 17:11:40 <BeBoxer> Most terminal programs emulate an old 'vt100'. You may have a setting. Try
Jul 25 17:11:52 <BeBoxer> 'export TERM=vt100' and re-run /opt/bin/nload
Jul 25 17:12:01 <BeBoxer> It should run, but it might draw incorrectly.
Jul 25 17:12:42 <thedmt> OK.. momnet.
Jul 25 17:13:36 <BeBoxer> Usually the TERM environment variable gets set automatically.
Jul 25 17:14:01 <BeBoxer> But the slug is pretty stripped down. It might also be the terminal program you are connecting with.
Jul 25 17:14:31 <thedmt> Ahh cool!
Jul 25 17:14:35 <thedmt> It's running..
Jul 25 17:15:08 <BeBoxer> Normally your PATH environment variable would include all the directories with programs in them.
Jul 25 17:15:25 <thedmt> But as you said. Not drawn right. But I can see the values. And on the website I saw some kind of indicators drawn with.
Jul 25 17:15:43 <BeBoxer> And then you could just type 'nload'. Do a 'echo $PATH', it should list some directories but /opt/bin/ won't be one.
Jul 25 17:15:52 <BeBoxer> What terminal program are you using?
Jul 25 17:15:53 <thedmt> Ah, something like in DOS? 
Jul 25 17:16:01 <thedmt> Just telnet
Jul 25 17:16:10 <BeBoxer> From a command prompt?
Jul 25 17:16:34 <thedmt> Oh, sorry, I thought you mean how I access my slug.
Jul 25 17:17:03 <BeBoxer> Right. But there are lots of telnet clients you could be using. Are you connecting from Windows?
Jul 25 17:17:17 <thedmt> Yes, from XP
Jul 25 17:18:18 <BeBoxer> If you are just typing 'telnet' from a command prompt, there is probably some setting of TERM which would draw properly.
Jul 25 17:18:23 <BeBoxer> But I don't know what it would be.
Jul 25 17:18:52 <thedmt> Hmm, a sort of screen layout?
Jul 25 17:19:02 <BeBoxer> You could try using Hyperterm as your telnet client. You can probably tell it to emulate a vt100, or some other well known old terminal.
Jul 25 17:19:33 <BeBoxer> Yes, exactly. Old hardware terminals used special command sequences to move the cursor around the screen and such.
Jul 25 17:19:55 <BeBoxer> Now newer software just imitates the old hardware to achieve the same effect.
Jul 25 17:20:28 <BeBoxer> You could also download 'putty'. It's free, does telnet and ssh, and emulates about every terminal under the sun I think.
Jul 25 17:20:53 <thedmt> Ah ok, that's clear for me know. And you have to set the mode in Linux and in the TERMINAL you access the machine with?
Jul 25 17:21:22 <BeBoxer> Yes. As long as the two match you're golden.
Jul 25 17:21:24 <thedmt> Okay, I install that one. Heard that before...
Jul 25 17:21:48 <BeBoxer> I just picked vt100 because it's really common. vt52 is also widely used, as is xterm.
Jul 25 17:21:59 <thedmt> Okay.. 
Jul 25 17:22:33 <thedmt> Is there much difference. I mean, is one better than the other?
Jul 25 17:22:45 <BeBoxer> Not as far as I can tell.
Jul 25 17:23:04 <BeBoxer> Some of them probably don't handle color.
Jul 25 17:23:42 <thedmt> Hmm, something from 'the good old times'
Jul 25 17:23:49 <BeBoxer> If you can figure out what setting works for the command prompt telnet, that would be easy.
Jul 25 17:24:09 <BeBoxer> Yeah. Old monochrome dumb terminals didn't have much need for color commands.
Jul 25 17:24:29 <BeBoxer> I gotta go and actually plug my slug in.
Jul 25 17:24:35 <thedmt> Yeah I know, but I download Putty. If it's better and free, why no
Jul 25 17:24:38 <thedmt> Yeah I know, but I download Putty. If it's better and free, why not
Jul 25 17:24:47 <thedmt> Ah cool.
Jul 25 17:24:48 <BeBoxer> I'll be running back and forth if you have more questions.
Jul 25 17:24:55 <thedmt> Thanks
Jul 25 17:25:15 <thedmt> Let's unsling that tiny box!
Jul 25 19:06:36 <BeBoxer> Well, it's unslung.
Jul 25 19:06:52 <BeBoxer> That went fairly smoothly.
Jul 25 22:53:44 <raungst> Anyone around who could offer a newbie some help?
Jul 25 22:55:02 <raungst> hey everyone
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