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Aug 04 00:19:42 <KlenWork> hmm
Aug 04 00:19:45 <KlenWork> he's gone
Aug 04 01:58:35 <KlenWork> hmm the news server seems down
Aug 04 01:58:45 <KlenWork> gmane.org
Aug 04 02:00:06 <KlenWork> also: on the left 'menu' page of the wiki pages there are only links to nslu2-linux archives and not to nslu2-general archives
Aug 04 02:00:42 <KlenWork> this makes it more likely that people start asking general questions in the 'developers' group
Aug 04 02:02:03 <KlenWork> is there some page or discussion somewhere that indicates the pros and cons of openslug vs unslung 5.5?
Aug 04 02:03:05 <Airw0lf> KlenWork: i remember seeing it somewhere....maybe not explicitly pros and cons
Aug 04 02:03:22 <Airw0lf> but i remember seeing that unslung retains compatibility with linksys firmware
Aug 04 02:03:32 <KlenWork> yes i know that
Aug 04 02:03:33 <Airw0lf> and that was good enough for me :)
Aug 04 02:03:45 <Airw0lf> and that newbies should try unslung
Aug 04 02:03:51 <KlenWork> for me as well, as a start
Aug 04 02:58:50 <NSLU2-IRC> hi
Aug 04 02:59:19 <NSLU2-IRC> hi
Aug 04 03:00:26 <NSLU2-IRC> hi
Aug 04 03:05:18 <mviti> hello
Aug 04 03:05:35 <mviti> colud someone help me in order to resole a little problem?
Aug 04 03:15:01 <KlenWork> yes
Aug 04 03:15:17 <Airw0lf> he's gone
Aug 04 03:15:43 <KlenWork> he is :-(
Aug 04 03:16:10 <Airw0lf> so how long have you been using linux on your NSLU2?
Aug 04 03:16:25 <Airw0lf> i just bought mine yesterday, and installed unslung today
Aug 04 03:16:30 <KlenWork> since I bought it :-) but it's 2 weeks now
Aug 04 03:16:39 <KlenWork> 3 weeks
Aug 04 03:16:43 <Airw0lf> cool
Aug 04 03:17:11 <KlenWork> yes it's a very nice thing, i want to replace my server with it
Aug 04 03:17:17 <KlenWork> makes much less noise
Aug 04 03:17:37 <Airw0lf> i want to use it as a server, and as a Wake on Lan device
Aug 04 03:17:54 <Airw0lf> it's impossible for me to sent WOL packets directly from the internet...my router blocks it
Aug 04 03:18:10 <Airw0lf> so i can use SSH to login to the slug, and then send the magic packet
Aug 04 03:18:24 <Airw0lf> then i can take control of my desktop pc
Aug 04 03:18:30 <KlenWork> yes
Aug 04 03:18:33 <KlenWork> nice feature
Aug 04 03:19:42 <Airw0lf> have you tried running x-windows apps?
Aug 04 03:19:51 <Airw0lf> it seems you can install x11....
Aug 04 03:32:44 <KlenWork> no
Aug 04 03:32:56 <KlenWork> i'll do that from my desktop
Aug 04 03:33:10 <KlenWork> i'm glad with an imap server, fetchmail postfix etc
Aug 04 07:37:09 * philipjohnson sighs at the fact the western digital spindown utility was coded on linux but is only available as a binary for windows...
Aug 04 14:06:36 <Matt_Durkin> hello
Aug 04 14:08:29 <Matt_Durkin> can anyone help with RAID on 5.5
Aug 04 14:08:30 <Matt_Durkin> ?
Aug 04 14:14:33 <ivanmarcus-away> Matt_Durkin: I've never done it but let me know what yer problem is
Aug 04 14:14:50 <ivanmarcus-away> and I might be able to provide you with a pointer
Aug 04 14:15:35 <Matt_Durkin> Well I want to set up a 50Gig Raid 1 and the RAID 0 the remaining 200Gigs on both drives to give a 400Gig RAID0
Aug 04 14:16:06 <Matt_Durkin> but I'm not exactly experienced, and the RAID instructions are based aroun 3.x not 5.5
Aug 04 14:16:25 <Matt_Durkin> I haven't been able to find anything for 5.5
Aug 04 14:16:34 <ivanmarcus-away> ok, let me have a quick look at the destructions..
Aug 04 14:16:40 <Matt_Durkin> cool
Aug 04 14:16:58 <Matt_Durkin> btw - my discs arrive tomorrow, so i'm just looking for info in preparation right now!
Aug 04 14:19:11 <ivanmarcus-away> hmmm, 'k, sounds like you're going to be starting with clean disks which is good - won't lose any important stuff if it doesn't work first time :-)
Aug 04 14:19:30 <Matt_Durkin> yea - I was hoping to work out the raid first of all
Aug 04 14:19:41 <Matt_Durkin> before I get data on there
Aug 04 14:20:11 <ivanmarcus-away> I implement RAID1 in 'standard' linux boxes quite a bit, but can't say I'm an expert at all, have never done it with the NSLU2, nor RAID0
Aug 04 14:20:18 <ivanmarcus-away> but
Aug 04 14:20:54 <ivanmarcus-away> on the face of it I'd say it looks to me like the instructions for 3.x should be ok for 5.5
Aug 04 14:21:00 <Matt_Durkin> ah ok
Aug 04 14:21:23 <ivanmarcus-away> my suggestion would be to try a simple RAID1 to start with
Aug 04 14:21:23 <Matt_Durkin> so will I need ot build the firmware myslef
Aug 04 14:21:34 <ivanmarcus-away> and progress from there
Aug 04 14:21:57 <ivanmarcus-away> no - just install the mdm pkg, hold on ph call...
Aug 04 14:22:05 <Matt_Durkin> k - thanks for this :)
Aug 04 14:22:57 <Matt_Durkin> thing I was really unsure about was if I unsling before creating the RAID arrays, what happens to the 'unsling' bits on the drive. Where do htey end up?
Aug 04 14:25:37 <ivanmarcus-away> ok, the way I read it drive 1 will be unslung as per normal, you'd then change the partition type of that and drive 2 to linux raid
Aug 04 14:25:52 <ivanmarcus-away> which will not remove anything from the drive
Aug 04 14:26:03 <Matt_Durkin> right ok
Aug 04 14:26:07 <ivanmarcus-away> then follow through the rest of the instructions
Aug 04 14:26:16 <Matt_Durkin> so what if I want to use multiple partitions
Aug 04 14:26:24 <Matt_Durkin> do I create those before unslinging
Aug 04 14:26:26 <Matt_Durkin> ?
Aug 04 14:26:37 <Matt_Durkin> I guess so
Aug 04 14:26:47 <Matt_Durkin> and then unsling to the one I'm going to make into raid 1
Aug 04 14:26:56 <ivanmarcus-away> to be honest I'm not so sure about the 'diversion script' stuff - you might want to check on that with someone else
Aug 04 14:27:05 <Matt_Durkin> ok!
Aug 04 14:27:11 <Matt_Durkin> I'm not too sure about it either
Aug 04 14:27:11 <ivanmarcus-away> but yes you'd create the partitions you want
Aug 04 14:27:23 <ivanmarcus-away> and set them as fd
Aug 04 14:27:41 <ivanmarcus-away> and all the stuff after that
Aug 04 14:27:48 <Matt_Durkin> lol
Aug 04 14:27:58 <ivanmarcus-away> and then join them to the raid array you desire
Aug 04 14:27:59 <Matt_Durkin> I'll see how I get on when I get the discs
Aug 04 14:28:14 <Matt_Durkin> not done much with LVM so I'm novice to this
Aug 04 14:28:17 <ivanmarcus-away> it prob sounds worse than it is
Aug 04 14:28:23 <Matt_Durkin> hope so :)
Aug 04 14:28:27 <Matt_Durkin> thanks for your help
Aug 04 14:28:29 <ivanmarcus-away> the first time I did raid it took ages
Aug 04 14:28:35 <Matt_Durkin> right
Aug 04 14:28:45 <Matt_Durkin> I did it 6 years ago on solaris
Aug 04 14:28:49 <Matt_Durkin> so bit rusty
Aug 04 14:28:49 <ivanmarcus-away> but after that once I got a 'handle' on it I found it all made sense and wasn't too hard
Aug 04 14:28:53 <Matt_Durkin> and never on linux
Aug 04 14:29:06 <ivanmarcus-away> no, that's good - it'll all come back :-)
Aug 04 14:29:26 <ivanmarcus-away> these days I tend to use software raid over h/ware with the servers I do
Aug 04 14:29:44 <Matt_Durkin> to create partitions I need to use fdisk?
Aug 04 14:29:59 <ivanmarcus-away> partly 'cos I'm used to it, and partly 'cos it works every time whereas I find the h/w raid is a bit hit and miss
Aug 04 14:30:07 <ivanmarcus-away> yes you would need to use fdisk
Aug 04 14:30:40 <Matt_Durkin> ok - thanks!
Aug 04 14:30:46 <ivanmarcus-away> I'm not sure if there is a cfdisk for the slug, if so you might want to use that
Aug 04 14:30:47 <ivanmarcus-away> it
Aug 04 14:30:56 <ivanmarcus-away> is a bit less cryptic imo :-)
Aug 04 14:31:07 <Matt_Durkin> right - fdisk is on there, but don't see any cfdisk
Aug 04 14:31:16 <Matt_Durkin> will have to stumble my way through it I guses
Aug 04 14:31:22 <Matt_Durkin> guess
Aug 04 14:31:53 <ivanmarcus-away> there are a lot of good guys on here with much better knowledge than me
Aug 04 14:32:12 <ivanmarcus-away> so I'm sure if you do get stuck someone will be able to help
Aug 04 14:32:26 <ivanmarcus-away> but I'd give it a go, given you've got blank disks
Aug 04 14:32:33 <ByronT-Away> RAID is not for the faint of heart
Aug 04 14:32:41 <Matt_Durkin> ok - never used IRC before. can u recommend a decent client. I'm using som java thing from the nslu pages
Aug 04 14:32:48 <ByronT-Away> IIRC, only 2 ppl have really gotten it to go...
Aug 04 14:33:00 <ivanmarcus-away> ah - some words from the wise :-)
Aug 04 14:33:04 <Matt_Durkin> only 2 people have got raid working on the slug?
Aug 04 14:33:10 <Matt_Durkin> eek!
Aug 04 14:33:33 <ByronT-Away> it's just hasn't been a huge priority for most ppl
Aug 04 14:33:48 <Matt_Durkin> right
Aug 04 14:33:50 <Matt_Durkin> I guess
Aug 04 14:34:00 <ivanmarcus-away> is your IRC platform windoze or linux
Aug 04 14:34:03 <ivanmarcus-away> ?
Aug 04 14:34:06 <ByronT-Away> seeing that all that you can really get one LARGE partition...
Aug 04 14:34:17 <Matt_Durkin> IRC on windoze
Aug 04 14:34:38 <ByronT-Away> glc is the <quote> expert <unquote> on RAID
Aug 04 14:34:43 <Matt_Durkin> so I would only be able to create one large partition
Aug 04 14:34:53 <ByronT-Away> I mean in general terms
Aug 04 14:35:01 <Matt_Durkin> not my 50GIG raid 1 and 400 gig raid 0
Aug 04 14:35:02 <Matt_Durkin> ?
Aug 04 14:35:05 <ivanmarcus-away> 'k, I'm presently using HIRC, but would suggest Vortec IRC if you would like something a bit more upmarket, and free :-)
Aug 04 14:35:10 <ByronT-Away> usually RAID is for speed, and error recovery
Aug 04 14:35:21 <ByronT-Away> speed on slug is CPU and network bound
Aug 04 14:35:28 <Matt_Durkin> right
Aug 04 14:35:52 <Matt_Durkin> I want a smallish (50 Gig) mirror (raid 1) for iportant data
Aug 04 14:35:57 <Matt_Durkin> important!
Aug 04 14:36:08 <ByronT-Away> excuse CPU and bus speed bound... error recovery is a non-starter since unslung can only use 2 storage devices
Aug 04 14:36:11 <Matt_Durkin> and then just raid 0 the rest to get as much space as possible
Aug 04 14:36:24 <Matt_Durkin> yea - raid 5 woudl be nice :)
Aug 04 14:36:37 <Matt_Durkin> but I suspect my budget wouldn't stretch to all those discs..
Aug 04 14:36:39 <ByronT-Away> but you can't do raid 5 with 2 hdds...
Aug 04 14:36:51 <Matt_Durkin> yea
Aug 04 14:37:04 <Matt_Durkin> I'd definitely need more money
Aug 04 14:37:19 <Matt_Durkin> a combo of raid 0 and raid 1 will be great if I can figure it out
Aug 04 14:37:26 <ByronT-Away> and raid 1 only mirrors the data - and honestly time vs. effort payback, it's probably smarter to set up rsync to do the dirty work
Aug 04 14:37:42 <ivanmarcus-away> Matt_Durkin: I know you're keen on large storage but FWIW I used to use RSYNC before I used raid
Aug 04 14:37:50 <ivanmarcus-away> and it worked quite well
Aug 04 14:37:59 <ByronT-Away> but you can't do both raid 0 and raid 1 at the same time
Aug 04 14:38:10 <ivanmarcus-away> there's a script that goes by the name of SYNCRO that I used
Aug 04 14:38:13 <ByronT-Away> it's an either/or question
Aug 04 14:38:20 <ivanmarcus-away> suitably modified to do the job
Aug 04 14:38:26 <Matt_Durkin> I thought I could create separate partitions and creaet 2 raid arrays
Aug 04 14:38:28 <Matt_Durkin> maybe not...
Aug 04 14:38:53 <ByronT-Away> the physical limitation is with unslung and 2 usb storage devices
Aug 04 14:39:09 <ByronT-Away> 2 devices means only 1 raid array...
Aug 04 14:39:20 <Matt_Durkin> ok
Aug 04 14:39:24 <ivanmarcus-away> ah I see others have been there before :-)
Aug 04 14:39:24 <Matt_Durkin> maybe I'l use rsync
Aug 04 14:39:34 <ByronT-Away> smart! ;)
Aug 04 14:39:58 <ByronT-Away> IIRC, raid was initially done to prove that it could be done
Aug 04 14:40:19 <ByronT-Away> nothing more... like I see the mountain, I'm gonna climb that sucker...
Aug 04 14:41:21 <Matt_Durkin> right
Aug 04 14:41:44 <Matt_Durkin> gotta shoot. will check out Vortex IRC...
Aug 04 14:42:00 <ivanmarcus-away> Matt_Durkin: check out http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2001/11/01/rsync.html?page=1
Aug 04 14:42:07 <ivanmarcus-away> oh
Aug 04 14:42:11 <ivanmarcus-away> :-)
Aug 04 16:27:02 <stripwax_> hi
Aug 04 16:29:28 <stripwax_> just thought I'd say I fixed my "/dev/sda2 periodically remounting as read-only" problem by using tune2fs to delete and recreate the journal on /dev/sda2.   kinda annoying that 1) fsck.ext3 somehow didn't find the error (whatever it was), 2) tune2fs didn't seem to find any error although presumably there must have been since everything works now;  3) tune2fs isn't ported to nslu2 yet.      I hope that 3) could be resolved in 
Aug 04 16:44:56 <seanzilla> anybody have a box running bind
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Aug 04 17:06:03 <stripwax> man, this irc client sucks.  i should use something better
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Aug 04 20:44:06 <Xwi1d> exit
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