**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 08 02:59:59 2005 Dec 08 05:40:48 Does anyone have the file mod_proxy_html.so or mod_accessibility.so for the slug (ARM architecture)? Dec 08 06:23:47 hello Dec 08 06:25:25 anybody here who got experience with tne sonology 101j model ? Dec 08 08:06:27 hi Dec 08 08:07:05 i have a question about unslung5 installation Dec 08 08:07:27 i installed it and reboot with hdd Dec 08 08:07:35 but i cannot use ipkg Dec 08 08:07:56 what is my mistake? Dec 08 08:11:32 Stabilisator, you have not successfully performed the "unsling" portion of the installation for some reason; that means that you are not booting from the hard disk, you are still booting from the flash memory Dec 08 08:11:59 hmmm ok thank you... Dec 08 08:13:02 ok...i think i must search again in wiki Dec 08 08:13:55 each of the steps in the installation instructions must be followed precisely or you will have such a failure; the installation is not very forgiving :( Dec 08 08:15:02 yes, i did this 3 or 4 times. Ok again.... Dec 08 08:16:33 Ow - 3 or 4? Can you describe your procedure? You have flashed the new unslung 5.5 into the NSLU2, of course? Dec 08 08:17:39 yes Dec 08 08:17:57 than i restart with hdd Dec 08 08:18:07 check if the hdd is ok in the web center Dec 08 08:18:43 unlug the disk Dec 08 08:18:49 reboot Dec 08 08:18:59 go into web center to telnet.cgi Dec 08 08:19:10 and activate the telnet app Dec 08 08:19:34 login into telnet, /sbin/unsling disk1 Dec 08 08:19:40 is there a way to make telnet auto start Dec 08 08:20:20 in fact, is there a way to make packages like ssh and apache autostart Dec 08 08:21:27 http://www.apfeltalk.de/forum/network-storage-link-t6265-18.html Dec 08 08:21:36 the first post Dec 08 08:22:23 was that link for me? Dec 08 08:22:30 yep Dec 08 08:22:30 I don't know that language Dec 08 08:22:41 # cd / Dec 08 08:22:41 # mkdir unslung Dec 08 08:22:44 look at here Dec 08 08:23:00 and do these steps...there you must not understand german Dec 08 08:23:29 * Nimmit only knows english Dec 08 08:24:41 -> reboot with hdd, login into telnet, /sbin/unsling disk1 Dec 08 08:24:47 reboot again Dec 08 08:24:56 that was all...i think Dec 08 08:26:04 Ok. looks good, something must have gone wrong with either the /sbin/unsling operation or the reboot. Can you telnet back into the NSLU at this point, or is it dead? Dec 08 08:26:30 i must restart telnet again after reboot in web center Dec 08 08:26:47 but i can login with my hdd password Dec 08 08:27:45 With the hdd password? uNSLUng? Dec 08 08:27:52 no Dec 08 08:28:07 i edit created a password for hdd Dec 08 08:28:20 edit/created Dec 08 08:28:43 ahh sorry..this was the 2. time Dec 08 08:29:09 onm the first installation i logged in with uNSLUng Dec 08 08:29:27 after i boot without harddisk Dec 08 08:30:11 Ok - in any case, what is the output from the "mount" command (when you boot with the harddisk)? Dec 08 08:31:37 can i post it here or a pastebin? Dec 08 08:32:24 http://pastebin.com/454082 Dec 08 08:33:43 * Nimmit is still lost on this autostart thing Dec 08 08:33:57 that german page didn't help to much Dec 08 08:35:20 http://pastebin.com/454087 Dec 08 08:35:30 i hope it works Dec 08 08:36:28 Well, you are unslung. For some reason, the ipkg link did not get created, perhaps? Dec 08 08:37:11 yes Dec 08 08:37:12 'ls -la /usr/bin ip*' Dec 08 08:37:16 i found it in /etc.. Dec 08 08:37:17 ok Dec 08 08:37:35 Oops 'ls -la /usr/bin/ip*' Dec 08 08:37:36 ip= my fileserver ip i think? Dec 08 08:38:59 No, my typing mistake, just a wild-card to list all files in /usr/bin beginning with the letters "ip" Dec 08 08:39:11 ahh thats looking good Dec 08 08:39:31 yes with the * i understood what you mean Dec 08 08:39:39 reboot? Dec 08 08:39:50 Do you see "ipkg" and "ipkg-cl"? Dec 08 08:39:51 it works well Dec 08 08:40:01 :) Dec 08 08:40:06 thank you.... Dec 08 08:40:55 next step ;-) Dec 08 08:41:19 You should be able to do the "ipkg update" command now Dec 08 08:41:44 ahh yes.....i mean this step is finished Dec 08 08:41:52 and the next can come.... *g* Dec 08 08:42:32 ahh ipkg is nice... Dec 08 08:42:37 i only now apt-get Dec 08 08:42:43 know Dec 08 08:42:52 Nimmit - ssh should autostart; there is a startup script that is installed. telnet can be enabled; it is described somewhere on the wiki but I do not recommend telnet if one can use ssh instead. Dec 08 08:44:37 port 22? Dec 08 08:44:39 ssh Dec 08 08:46:46 I like ssh much better also Dec 08 08:46:54 but right now I have to telnet into it to start ssh Dec 08 08:47:02 it didn't autostart Dec 08 08:47:25 I want apache to autostart also Dec 08 08:51:04 ssh did not autostart Dec 08 08:51:20 neither did telnet Dec 08 08:53:41 huh Dec 08 08:53:45 now telnet wont work at all Dec 08 08:54:00 I clicked enabled on the telnet.cgi page Dec 08 09:01:51 what changes did you make Nimmit? Dec 08 09:02:21 I did what Stabilisator Dec 08 09:02:23 said Dec 08 09:02:32 http://pastebin.com/454087 <--on that site Dec 08 09:04:22 also Dec 08 09:04:46 any time I add a file to my document root for apache I must chmod 755 to it so people can access it Dec 08 09:04:50 I don't want to have to do that Dec 08 09:04:54 Nimmit, no aproblem at all, shutdown the nslu, and boot without hd attached, then enable telnet Dec 08 09:05:14 morning, btw Dec 08 09:05:17 morning Dec 08 09:05:21 I got telnet working now Dec 08 09:05:39 ah, ok Dec 08 09:06:07 on what way do you add documents to apache ? Dec 08 09:06:18 I have a mapped drive to the document root Dec 08 09:06:25 I just save files there Dec 08 09:07:00 they can't be accessed until I go in and chmod it Dec 08 09:07:05 then you should have a look at www.samba.org, it is a samba problem, you must adjust the filerights in smb.conf Dec 08 09:07:12 k Dec 08 09:07:55 something about "create mask" imho Dec 08 09:07:59 got a 404 for that link Dec 08 09:09:05 www.samba.org works for me, the link above may contain a colon Dec 08 09:09:43 bbl Dec 08 09:09:53 do I download that? Dec 08 09:14:33 juhu Dec 08 09:14:40 ssh is working Dec 08 09:15:28 ipkg install sshd Dec 08 09:16:08 to test: cd /opt/sbin Dec 08 09:16:16 ./sshd Dec 08 10:46:42 hmm i have a little problem with vsftpd Dec 08 10:46:52 500 OOPS: vsftpd: cannot open config file:/opt/etc/vsftpd.conf <- i have chance chmod to 777 Dec 08 10:47:03 and it exists there Dec 08 10:48:07 hmm have anyone a idea to solve this problem? Dec 08 14:55:04 arg...ever when i want to use proftpd, it do not work....proftpd isn't my friend Dec 08 15:01:09 Stabi, proftpd usually run like a charm, what is the error output? Dec 08 15:05:54 ACTION Dec 08 15:06:41 authendication Dec 08 15:06:49 is my problem Dec 08 15:08:14 AuthUserFile /opt/etc/passwd.proftpd <- this i wrote in global section of proftpd.conf Dec 08 15:08:23 is the pwd crypted or not? Dec 08 15:08:49 oh, dunno, myself use /etc/passwd for authentification Dec 08 15:09:02 but, imho, it shouldn't be crypted Dec 08 15:09:41 hmm but in the /etc/passwd file it is crypted...on debian forum they wrote that i must encrypted Dec 08 15:09:49 so i test it....i reboot now Dec 08 15:10:16 sorry decrypted Dec 08 15:10:42 seems, that you're right, see http://www.proftpd.de/Direktiven.54.0.html#27 Dec 08 15:10:59 with samba i can login as user with the pw Dec 08 15:13:22 ok thanks Dec 08 15:13:28 the same format. Dec 08 15:13:49 and http://www.proftpd.de/HowTo_AuthUserFiles.40.0.html is interesting too Dec 08 15:14:25 specially the sentence which points to something like ftpasswd Dec 08 15:14:33 on my debian server i do authendicate with mysql Dec 08 15:14:52 but i think for a homeserver it is to many work for the little box Dec 08 15:14:58 why not on the nslu too Dec 08 15:15:02 ? Dec 08 15:15:18 one reboot is 5 minutes Dec 08 15:15:40 now...and i installed not many apps and tools Dec 08 15:16:04 but 5 minutes against [root@linus etc]$ uptime Dec 08 15:16:04 23:15:41 up 53 days, 23:51, 0 users, load average: 1.25, 1.13, 1.05 Dec 08 15:16:53 ok...i think in windows time... *g* Dec 08 15:16:56 so 5 minutes are nothing Dec 08 15:16:59 my old homeserver was on xp Dec 08 15:17:02 when I add netbios aliases, when do they show up? Dec 08 15:17:06 to samba Dec 08 15:17:14 yes samba works fine Dec 08 15:17:25 I thought it said it updates every 60 seconds Dec 08 15:18:06 Stabi, why do you don't running debian on the nslu, it seems familar to you? Dec 08 15:18:47 this is my first day with this box Dec 08 15:19:29 yeah, sorry, little mix-up Dec 08 15:19:45 ;-) Dec 08 15:21:32 Nimmit, can you define "netbios aliases" pls? Dec 08 15:21:45 http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch06.html Dec 08 15:21:47 on that page Dec 08 15:21:53 global] Dec 08 15:21:53 netbios aliases = sales accounting admin Dec 08 15:21:53 include = /usr/local/samba/lib/smb.conf.%L Dec 08 15:21:55 has that Dec 08 15:22:06 I tried it, but they don't show up like it says they should Dec 08 15:25:36 nothing I put in smb.conf seems to go in effect Dec 08 15:25:53 maybe, that it is a samba3.0 feature, linksys samba is version 2.0 Dec 08 15:26:20 is linksys samba the one that came with unslung? Dec 08 15:26:27 in which smb.conf, and what do you do after changing the smb.conf? Dec 08 15:26:36 yes Dec 08 15:26:40 I just wait 60 seconds or so Dec 08 15:26:48 like the help on the site said to Dec 08 15:28:01 imho, samba don't read the conf file dynamically Dec 08 15:28:21 ? Dec 08 15:28:53 so you should restart samba after you change something in the config file Dec 08 15:29:26 and for somereason Dec 08 15:29:35 I enable telnet via the http thing Dec 08 15:29:36 yet Dec 08 15:29:44 it wont work for like 10 minutes Dec 08 15:30:00 my ssh wont work either Dec 08 15:31:17 have you verified, that there is a file /opt/etc/init.d/S40sshd with access rights rwxr-xr-x ? Dec 08 15:31:39 it was working just a second ago Dec 08 15:31:41 I restarted the thing Dec 08 15:31:47 now neither telnet or ssh will work Dec 08 15:32:29 does this everytime I restart Dec 08 15:32:37 after maybe 10 minutes they'll work Dec 08 15:33:34 the slug isn't a win box, so there is no necessity for a reboot after any kind of change Dec 08 15:33:56 okay, but why wont my ssh and telnet work Dec 08 15:34:13 I didn't touch anything Dec 08 15:34:18 have you verified, that there is a file /opt/etc/init.d/S40sshd with access rights rwxr-xr-x ? Dec 08 15:34:55 there is no S40sshd Dec 08 15:35:07 that is why sshd don't start Dec 08 15:35:15 what about telnet Dec 08 15:35:16 ? Dec 08 15:35:38 cat /etc/inetd.conf and post the output here, pls Dec 08 15:35:54 I can;t Dec 08 15:36:02 there's no way to get in Dec 08 15:36:02 why ? Dec 08 15:36:09 I don't have telnet or ssh Dec 08 15:36:12 neither will work Dec 08 15:37:41 there is a S51dropbear in that init.d dir Dec 08 15:37:47 that's my ssh server, I think Dec 08 15:38:10 then you would reboot without hd attached, enable telnet in the webif, and do a "cat /unslung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 15:38:28 k, hold on Dec 08 15:38:48 S51dropbear is ok too, if the access rights are 755, or rwxr-xr-x Dec 08 15:40:28 what's the default pass stuff? Dec 08 15:40:30 I forgot Dec 08 15:40:37 uNSLUng Dec 08 15:40:45 username? Dec 08 15:41:18 aeh, root Dec 08 15:41:48 and this is for the web control? Dec 08 15:42:29 nvm Dec 08 15:42:29 no, for telnet login, when the slug booted without a hd attached, login for webinterface is admin/admin Dec 08 15:43:00 you should take a sheet of paper and note some urgent things Dec 08 15:43:18 or read the backlogs of your irc client ;) Dec 08 15:44:30 # cat /unslung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 15:44:30 cat: /unslung/rc.xinetd: No such file or directory Dec 08 15:44:54 should I plug the hdd back in? Dec 08 15:45:40 yes, and then do a "cat /share/hdd/data/unlsung/rc.xinetd" Dec 08 15:45:43 k Dec 08 15:47:42 # cat /share/hdd/data/unlsung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 15:47:42 cat: /share/hdd/data/unlsung/rc.xinetd: No such file or directory Dec 08 15:49:08 but there is a directory /share/hdd/data/unslung ? Dec 08 15:49:31 there is /share/hdd/data/ Dec 08 15:49:34 no unslung in it Dec 08 15:49:44 your disk is in port 1 ? Dec 08 15:49:47 yes Dec 08 15:50:10 then you should do a "mkdir /share/hdd/data/unslung" Dec 08 15:50:41 and Dec 08 15:51:16 wait Dec 08 15:51:21 there is a dir by that name Dec 08 15:51:29 just didn't show in explorer Dec 08 15:51:31 shows in telnet Dec 08 15:51:51 echo "#!/bin/sh" > /share/hdd/data/unslung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 15:52:01 type that Dec 08 15:52:22 now what Dec 08 15:53:07 echo "echo "telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/telnetd" > /etc/inetd.conf" >> /share/hdd/data/unslung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 15:53:22 done Dec 08 15:53:31 echo "return 1" >> /share/hdd/data/unslung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 15:53:49 I should be typing this at the promt and not in a file right Dec 08 15:53:55 right Dec 08 15:53:58 k Dec 08 15:54:00 done Dec 08 15:54:17 so, please do a cat /share/hdd/data/unslung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 15:54:23 and post the output Dec 08 15:54:33 # cat /share/hdd/data/unslung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 15:54:33 #!/bin/sh Dec 08 15:54:33 echo telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/telnetd > /etc/inetd.conf Dec 08 15:54:33 return 1 Dec 08 15:54:33 # Dec 08 15:55:31 hm it lost the "", baeh, time to vi /share/hdd/data/unslung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 15:55:31 and add the " to the second line, so it looks like that Dec 08 15:55:57 echo "telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/telnetd" > /etc/inetd.conf Dec 08 15:57:53 how do I insert in this thing Dec 08 15:58:13 nvm Dec 08 15:58:15 how do I save Dec 08 15:58:16 vi filename Dec 08 15:58:24 I added them Dec 08 15:58:31 but I don't know how to save Dec 08 15:58:55 put the cursor left from the charakter where you want fill in and hit i Dec 08 15:59:11 I already go the quotes in there Dec 08 15:59:16 hit and then :wq Dec 08 15:59:19 k Dec 08 15:59:29 and then Dec 08 15:59:46 so, please do a cat /share/hdd/data/unslung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 15:59:46 and post the output Dec 08 16:00:04 # cat /share/hdd/data/unslung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 16:00:04 #!/bin/sh Dec 08 16:00:04 echo "telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/telnetd" > /etc/inetd.conf Dec 08 16:00:04 return 1 Dec 08 16:00:04 # Dec 08 16:00:10 looks nice Dec 08 16:00:23 reboot? Dec 08 16:00:25 next, change the access rights Dec 08 16:00:29 oh Dec 08 16:00:37 how do I do that Dec 08 16:00:43 chmod 755 /share/hdd/data/unslung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 16:00:54 done Dec 08 16:01:12 and then enter /share/hdd/data/unslung/rc.xinetd Dec 08 16:01:23 done Dec 08 16:01:27 now, Dec 08 16:01:49 ls -la /etc/inetd.conf and post the output, pls Dec 08 16:02:04 # ls -la /etc/inetd.conf Dec 08 16:02:04 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 48 Dec 8 17:55 /etc/inetd.conf Dec 08 16:02:04 # Dec 08 16:02:36 enter date, please, what is the slug time ? Dec 08 16:03:00 # date Dec 08 16:03:00 Thu Dec 8 17:57:16 CST 2005 Dec 08 16:03:00 # Dec 08 16:03:28 yep, that is ok, only one thing, cat /etc/inetd.conf Dec 08 16:03:42 # cat /etc/inetd.conf Dec 08 16:03:42 telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/telnetd Dec 08 16:03:42 # Dec 08 16:04:29 k, this should enable telnet automagically after reboot, so let us try this (with hd attached) Dec 08 16:04:37 k Dec 08 16:05:09 Does anyone have the file mod_proxy_html.so or mod_accessibility.so? Dec 08 16:05:22 just a moment Dec 08 16:05:31 hm, apache ? Dec 08 16:06:33 worked Dec 08 16:06:38 how do I get ssh to do the same Dec 08 16:07:09 what do you have installed? dropbear or openssh ? Dec 08 16:07:17 dropbear Dec 08 16:08:03 is dropbear the best one? Dec 08 16:08:13 k, what's about a ls -la /opt/etc/init.d/S51* Dec 08 16:08:27 dropbear is slim Dec 08 16:08:32 # ls -la /opt/etc/init.d/S51* Dec 08 16:08:32 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 108 Nov 5 17:27 /opt/etc/init.d/S51dropbear Dec 08 16:08:32 # Dec 08 16:09:02 ssh should work, pls, do a ps -ef | grep dropbear Dec 08 16:09:32 # ps -ef | grep dropbear Dec 08 16:09:32 448 root 1624 S /opt/sbin/dropbear Dec 08 16:09:32 461 root 1896 S /opt/sbin/dropbear Dec 08 16:09:32 501 ttyp0 root 2700 S grep dropbear Dec 08 16:09:32 # Dec 08 16:09:35 Does anyone have mod_proxy_html.so or mod_accessibility.so? I cannot find the binaries anywhere Dec 08 16:09:54 ssh still doesn't work Dec 08 16:10:03 imho that are apache modules, but they aren't in the package Dec 08 16:10:09 correct Dec 08 16:10:26 but dropbear is running Dec 08 16:10:41 I am wondering if someone has the binaries...I can't find them anywhere...and can't compile the .c file Dec 08 16:11:04 thomasrawley05, using unslung-devel package ? Dec 08 16:11:17 if I try to connect Dec 08 16:11:17 no...is that for the slug? Dec 08 16:11:21 it just sits there Dec 08 16:11:27 doesn't bring up a login thing Dec 08 16:11:36 Nimmit, do you have something like superscan, which list the open ports on the slug? Dec 08 16:11:37 Nimmit, correct port? 22? Dec 08 16:11:44 yes Dec 08 16:11:48 I'm using Putty Dec 08 16:12:05 don't think so capbot Dec 08 16:12:16 * caplink811_log Dec 08 16:13:08 maybe i should try to reinstall it Dec 08 16:13:10 did you done the key thing, which is described in the wiki at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseDropBearForRemoteAccess ? Dec 08 16:15:00 hmm Dec 08 16:15:01 there is also no reason to reinstall some things, if things don't work, that is not windows Dec 08 16:15:17 how do you remove things Dec 08 16:15:35 normally -> ipkg remove packagename Dec 08 16:15:43 k Dec 08 16:15:57 I've connected to the dropbear before caplink811_log Dec 08 16:16:02 earlier today I was on it Dec 08 16:16:06 then it just stopped working Dec 08 16:16:31 but, the process is running, so it should possible to connect via ssh to the box Dec 08 16:16:39 nope Dec 08 16:16:46 I just get a blank screen, that appears to be connected Dec 08 16:16:50 but never shows anything Dec 08 16:17:06 hm, can you cat /etc/passwd , pls Dec 08 16:17:29 # cat /etc/passwd Dec 08 16:17:29 root:scfqMiBj2iN1w:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh Dec 08 16:17:29 bin:x:1:1:bin:/bin: Dec 08 16:17:29 lp:x:4:7:lp:/share/spool: Dec 08 16:17:29 mail:x:8:12:mail:/var/spool/mail: Dec 08 16:17:29 ftp:x:14:50:FTP User:/: Dec 08 16:17:31 nobody:x:99:99:Nobody:/: Dec 08 16:17:33 ourtelnetrescueuser:scj/C9Ha.kEIc:100:100::/home/user:/bin/sh Dec 08 16:17:35 guest::501:501::/home/user/guest:/dev/null Dec 08 16:17:37 admin:scfqMiBj2iN1w:502:501:root::/dev/null Dec 08 16:17:39 jeremy:scfqMiBj2iN1w:2000:501:root::/dev/null Dec 08 16:17:41 eggdrop:x:2001:2001:eggdrop daemon:/opt/eggdrop:/bin/false Dec 08 16:17:43 # Dec 08 16:18:08 and the directory /root exists ? Dec 08 16:18:26 yes Dec 08 16:19:59 hm, because i'm not running dropbear, it could be a way to remove dropbear and then reinstall via ipkg install dropbear, and follow the wiki link, which i've posted above Dec 08 16:20:37 so ipkg remove dropbear, then ipkg install dropbear Dec 08 16:21:39 yep Dec 08 16:21:55 Will output 1024 bit rsa secret key to '/opt/etc/dropbear/dropbear_rsa_host_key' Dec 08 16:21:55 Generating key, this may take a while... Dec 08 16:21:55 Warning: Reading the random source seems to have blocked. Dec 08 16:21:55 If you experience problems, you probably need to find a better entropy source. Dec 08 16:21:58 is that a problem? Dec 08 16:22:27 thomasrawley05, yes, there should be a package unslung-devel, with all needed things for native compilation and developing Dec 08 16:22:55 assuming, that you running uNSLUng Dec 08 16:24:19 Nimmit, maybe, this should fixed in uNLSUng-5.5,hm Dec 08 16:25:27 Nimmit, two things Dec 08 16:26:08 1st ls -la /dev/random and 2nd ls -la / but there i need only the line with the dev directory Dec 08 16:28:24 # ls -la /dev/random Dec 08 16:28:24 crw-r--r-- 1 root root 1, 8 Dec 31 1969 /dev/random Dec 08 16:28:24 # Dec 08 16:28:44 ------ Dec 08 16:28:48 drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 4096 Dec 7 17:04 dev Dec 08 16:30:38 looks good, aka normal Dec 08 16:30:46 :) Dec 08 16:31:04 everybody should read the random device Dec 08 16:32:15 maybe I should try the other ssh server Dec 08 16:32:31 that is another possibility Dec 08 16:32:40 this one just wont work anymore Dec 08 16:32:44 but dropbear should work Dec 08 16:33:02 what do I type to start dropbear Dec 08 16:33:37 it's not running at the moment Dec 08 16:33:40 well, but that might be a thing for tomorrow (in my tz), now it is time to heading to bed Dec 08 16:33:56 Nimmit, /opt/etc/init.d/S51dropbear Dec 08 16:34:35 that didn't start it Dec 08 16:35:11 hm, so dunno :(, if you got any results, pls, post it here i'll read the back logs Dec 08 16:35:23 gnite all Dec 08 16:37:33 I'm installing the other one Dec 08 16:39:06 ssh working with openssh now Dec 08 16:54:48 * ByronT is away: auto-away after 180m idle Dec 08 17:41:44 anyone know if I can install the "dir" command somehow Dec 08 17:41:50 I'm so use to it Dec 08 17:59:50 :) You'll learn the "ls" command quickly, Nimmit -- and remember, when one graduates from the bicycle to an automobile, one learns to use a steering wheel instead of handlebars ;-) Dec 08 18:00:00