**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 14 10:59:56 2006
Feb 14 11:01:55 <pumpkin0_> tuv: (my irc got stoned, if this is a double post forget it) the smart-commands are usually not passing throught USB <-> IDE Chips. It's save to use because it doesn't do anything....
Feb 14 14:17:28 <Tenkawa> morning all
Feb 14 17:23:47 <cwebb> my unslung nslu loses samba connectivity after some time, what to do?
Feb 14 18:56:19 <cwebb> hrhrhr another slug killed
Feb 14 18:58:54 <pumpkin0> Is it possible to connect a IDE-CDROM using a normal USB-HD-enclosure ?
Feb 14 19:01:38 <cwebb> thanks for no help at all, you helped me make the deciosn to stomp my slug to death hrhrhr
Feb 14 19:05:24 <pumpkin0> cwebb: i just joined, what the fuck happend ? 
Feb 14 19:08:23 <cwebb> my slug wouldn't work for more than 2 hours to two days without me having to pull the plug for a restart
Feb 14 19:08:30 <cwebb> so I "booted" it right this time
Feb 14 19:08:53 <pumpkin0> arg. which FW caused the death ? 
Feb 14 19:08:58 <cwebb> the most fun I ever had with that shitty piece of crap
Feb 14 19:09:05 <cwebb> fw?
Feb 14 19:09:11 <cwebb> unslung 5.5
Feb 14 19:09:19 <cwebb> disk got disconnected
Feb 14 19:09:26 <cwebb> samba wouldn't work fast or at all
Feb 14 19:09:37 <cwebb> ctorrent fucked everysthing up
Feb 14 19:09:37 <pumpkin0> Does the disc work on a PC ? 
Feb 14 19:09:43 <cwebb> disk works right
Feb 14 19:09:55 <cwebb> slug is killed hrhr broke it's heart
Feb 14 19:10:08 <pumpkin0> flaky contact inside the slug .. perhaps. 
Feb 14 19:10:18 <cwebb> no the whole slug is flaky
Feb 14 19:10:55 <cwebb> especially now that I kicked it through my apartment and trashed it
Feb 14 19:11:26 <pumpkin0> A disconnect /-disc is like a missing C: to windows. It will not work.
Feb 14 19:11:32 <cwebb> this was the worst experience I ever had besides formatting my parents financial stuff 12 years ago
Feb 14 19:11:49 <cwebb> yeah, but it happened all the time, and it had other bugs as well
Feb 14 19:12:06 <cwebb> no I can just connect the disk to my pc and keep that one running who cares
Feb 14 19:12:23 <cwebb> not as if anyone in here was of much help anyway
Feb 14 19:13:04 <pumpkin0> *g*. Well it's IRC. either you get > 500 people shouting at once or nobody.
Feb 14 19:13:23 <cwebb> wasn't the only time...
Feb 14 19:15:52 <cwebb> most of the time I heard "it just worked for me" or stuff
Feb 14 19:16:05 <cwebb> how would that help me, hmm
Feb 14 19:21:07 <cwebb> been nice (not) playing around with the 80 euro stinkthing
Feb 14 19:29:31 <cwebb> gonna get me a real thing, some miniitx box, no need for fiddling around with shitcrap
Feb 14 19:30:53 <pumpkin0> warning: VIA's mini-ITX suffers from some DMA-problems under linux. If you get something like that stay with windows.
Feb 14 19:31:05 <cwebb> dma problems?
Feb 14 19:31:08 <cwebb> like what?
Feb 14 19:31:49 <cwebb> can't be worse than the slug
Feb 14 19:32:18 <pumpkin0> The old chipset used in the low-power models cannot do IDE-DMA or soundcard-DMA or even Gfx-DMA. It has to be done by the CPU, slowing things down.
Feb 14 19:32:53 <cwebb> low power as in all the passively cooled thingies?
Feb 14 19:34:24 <pumpkin0> yepp.
Feb 14 19:35:11 <cwebb> well, I wouldn't need graphics and if I use a sata hdd would that help?
Feb 14 19:35:37 <cwebb> or: where could I find a list which itx board does what?
Feb 14 19:35:40 <pumpkin0> watch out the the chipset. it changed some time ago. the old one is still used in the classic, mostly passive EPIAs. I have never touched the new ones with SATA and CPUs > 1GHz ... 
Feb 14 19:36:16 <cwebb> I'd definitely would want a passivelky cooled one
Feb 14 19:37:32 <pumpkin0> the 2 classic sites are http://www.mini-itx.com/ (look for store) and http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/spearhead/mini-itx/ I would not recommand SATA, as it's fairly new and not so well tested on the small ITX-sector.
Feb 14 19:37:58 <cwebb> well; I can still give my hdd back and get a ide one
Feb 14 19:38:29 <pumpkin0> or a SATA - IDE converter. Or a SATA-PCI-card ... 
Feb 14 19:48:34 <cwebb> how bad are the dma problems?
Feb 14 19:54:01 <pumpkin0> switch a normal IDE-device to PIO-4 and you get an idea of the speed. If you enable DMA on the old chipsets you get crashs after some time.
Feb 14 19:55:03 <cwebb> well, starting torrents via ssh was cool but I guess I can get that done under windows too
Feb 14 20:00:10 <dnc> ok, so what exactly is unslung.  ive looked all over the website but cant get a clear idea
Feb 14 20:00:36 <dnc> is it just an expanded set of features for the slug, or is it more of a development platform (thats what it appears to be)
Feb 14 20:01:15 <pumpkin0> dnc: it's the normal linksys-Firmware + some extras so you can install programms.
Feb 14 20:01:44 <dnc> ok, that sounds ok
Feb 14 20:02:11 <dnc> ive got my slug just working using its default firmware, and theres two mapped drives admin 1 and disk 1 or something like that.  any way to hide that admin drive? 
Feb 14 20:06:11 <pumpkin0> I guess the best way to get an answer is asking on the mail-list. The people here mostly run modified slugs....
Feb 14 20:09:57 <cwebb> if it's running, don't touch the sucker. just pray it doesn't stop working
Feb 14 21:54:25 <neongrau> BogoMIPS        : 263.78 *woohoo* :D
Feb 14 22:00:42 <EvilDevil> applause ;)
Feb 14 22:13:43 <neongrau> i was pretty scared to do it but then i grabbed a carpet knife et voila, done in 10 seconds :)
Feb 14 22:15:01 <EvilDevil> me too :)
Feb 14 22:16:36 <EvilDevil> i was rather confused by the instructions on opening the case
Feb 14 22:17:16 <EvilDevil> neongrau do you have apache and php installed on the slug?
Feb 14 22:17:25 <neongrau> yeah me too, such a damn long text. 3 images would have been enough
Feb 14 22:17:58 <neongrau> yes, i'm running oxyl media-center on it to stream video to my networked dvd player
Feb 14 22:18:19 <EvilDevil> you could try phpsysinfo
Feb 14 22:18:23 <EvilDevil> cvs version
Feb 14 22:18:29 <neongrau> whats that?
Feb 14 22:18:34 <EvilDevil> wait..
Feb 14 22:18:59 <EvilDevil> http://www.student-zw.fh-kl.de/~pasc0010/psi/ (sample pages)
Feb 14 22:19:25 <EvilDevil> try the Updated ... .html
Feb 14 22:20:43 <neongrau> these are your stats right?
Feb 14 22:22:10 <EvilDevil> yes, kind of, i put these pages there to help the phpsysinfo developers to add the nslu2-cpu to phpsysinfo (the other two phpsysinfo pages are the old ones (without nslu2 support)
Feb 14 22:23:54 <neongrau> i'd like to see how a tomcat server would perform on the slug :) too bad there is no ipkg
Feb 14 22:25:21 <EvilDevil> what for? ;)
Feb 14 22:25:32 <neongrau> any idea why you're bobmips are slightly higher than mine?
Feb 14 22:25:39 <neongrau> bogomips 
Feb 14 22:26:04 <EvilDevil> mine feels more comfortable at his slugcastle ;)
Feb 14 22:26:11 <neongrau> lol
Feb 14 22:26:30 <EvilDevil> http://www.patrickschneider.info/slugcastle.htm
Feb 14 22:27:28 <EvilDevil> there's no reason to laugh :-P
Feb 14 22:29:01 <EvilDevil> damn.. our cat is acting too weird ... like a drunken sailor
Feb 14 22:30:33 <neongrau> you shouldn't let your weed lay around openly ;)
Feb 14 22:32:38 <EvilDevil> naah, she got castrated this morning.. the narcotics are still taking effect
Feb 14 22:34:02 <neongrau> poor cat
Feb 14 22:39:32 <EvilDevil> true :-/ but it's healthier for her
Feb 14 22:40:37 <neongrau> damn "uptime" sint working
Feb 14 22:40:41 <neongrau> isnt
Feb 14 22:44:21 <EvilDevil> neongrau hu? what does it show?
Feb 14 22:44:46 <neongrau> coreutils-uptime: couldn't get boot time: No such file or directory
Feb 14 22:45:12 <EvilDevil> hmmm. mine works... what system are you using?
Feb 14 22:45:34 <neongrau> unslung 5.5
Feb 14 22:47:03 <EvilDevil> no clue then 
Feb 14 22:52:35 <neongrau> grmpf. the only thing i can find on google is a protcol of this channel. but no solution just a discussion about how braindead some coreutils are compared to the busybox-equivs
Feb 14 22:54:33 <EvilDevil> unslung is too restricted. that's why i changed from unslung to openslug and then to debianslug
Feb 14 23:03:53 <EvilDevil> well. i gotta go.
Feb 14 23:03:56 <EvilDevil> n8
Feb 15 01:23:39 <andrew_redfern> does anyone know of a quick start guide for JamVM
Feb 15 01:23:50 <andrew_redfern> I'm trying to work with the CLASSPATH
Feb 15 01:24:04 <andrew_redfern> but every time I change it I get errors
Feb 15 01:24:27 <andrew_redfern> it would be nice not to have to use the -classpath flag
Feb 15 01:24:45 <andrew_redfern> anyone?
Feb 15 03:29:14 <namtok> hi - anyone here ?
Feb 15 03:30:46 <andrew_redfern> has anyone done much with java on the slug?
Feb 15 03:31:17 <namtok> new here ; is this an appropriate channel to discuss setup issues for OpenDebianSlug?
Feb 15 03:32:28 <namtok> andrew - not yet ; still busy setting my install up ...
Feb 15 03:33:34 <namtok> bye for now
Feb 15 04:53:10 <andrew_redfern> anyone get a javax.com working with jikes?
Feb 15 08:24:42 <pere> Trying to get to know my linksys, but I am getting "sort: invalid option -- f" when trying to run "updatedb". Any ideas?
Feb 15 08:36:03 <pere> hi
Feb 15 08:36:19 <pere> Is anybody else getting errors when they run updatedb on a fresh box?
Feb 15 08:40:56 <pere> Are there anybody here at all?
Feb 15 08:49:27 <Eiffel_> hm what do you mean by running updatedb which db ?
Feb 15 09:34:55 <pere> I mean running updatedb so that "locate" starts to work
Feb 15 09:35:01 <pere> So I can find files...
Feb 15 09:35:11 <pere> :)
Feb 15 10:28:41 <Eiffel_> find / -name filename should work
Feb 15 10:30:28 <Eiffel_> root@Linksys:/public > sort --version
Feb 15 10:30:28 <Eiffel_> sort (coreutils) 5.2.1
Feb 15 10:30:36 <Eiffel_> root@Linksys:/public > locate --version
Feb 15 10:30:36 <Eiffel_> GNU locate version 4.1.20
Feb 15 10:41:01 <pere> Hi Eiffel_: Sorry about the rely time..:-)
Feb 15 10:41:31 <pere> sort --version
Feb 15 10:41:32 <pere> sort: unrecognized option `--version'
Feb 15 10:41:32 <pere> BusyBox v1.00 (2005.06.13-04:25+0000) multi-call binary
Feb 15 10:41:32 <pere> Usage: sort [-n] [FILE]...
Feb 15 10:41:32 <pere> Sorts lines of text in the specified files
Feb 15 10:41:32 <pere> Options:
Feb 15 10:41:34 <pere>         -n      sort numerics
Feb 15 10:45:13 <Eiffel_> try ipkg install coreutils
Feb 15 10:54:30 <pere_> Package coreutils (5.2.1-8) installed in root is up to date.
Feb 15 10:55:19 <pere_> seems like I have almost the same version as you
Feb 15 10:58:21 <pere_> sort seems to work strange. Does not accept --help --version etc..
Feb 15 10:58:59 <pere_> Im not able to figure out if it could be using a different version of sort. "which sort" does not work.
Feb 15 10:59:24 <pere_> Do you know how to install "which"?
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