**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 18 10:59:56 2006
Mar 18 12:04:58 * pahartik would like to switch between "known functional" and "experimental" version of "/etc/network/interfaces" on every reboot, after "mount /dev/mtdblock4 /" but before "ifup eth0"... it is easy to construct such shell script but what is recommended way to get it launched?
Mar 18 12:30:46 * pahartik decides to test by executing "ifconfig > /root/test.output" at "/etc/rc0.d/S32network.test" to see if that is early enough
Mar 18 15:45:47 <eddyp> when I want to install a new image through the web interface I am not presented with a "Start Upgrade" button in the upgrade page, only "Enter Upgrade Mode". How can I flash the new image?
Mar 18 16:14:52 <Snide> eddyp, Probably depends on firmware
Mar 18 16:14:56 <Snide> try using upslug2
Mar 18 16:15:03 <Snide> It worked better than the web interface for me
Mar 18 16:51:54 <Reedy> Hey
Mar 18 18:28:03 <Mika_> evening
Mar 18 19:00:34 <tuv> has anyone experienced any reliability differences between unslung and debian on nslu2?
Mar 18 19:00:37 <tuv> which is more reliable, debian armeb or armel?
Mar 18 19:07:00 <tuv> i'm experiencing severe disk corruption problems with unslung, any similar experiences? would debian be more reliable in this regard?
Mar 18 19:09:55 <tuv> does unslung support xfs?
Mar 18 19:22:40 <Eiffel> hm what is xfs ?
Mar 18 19:22:53 <Eiffel> i am running unslung but have no problems sofar
Mar 18 19:23:03 <Eiffel> maybe your hdd got to hot
Mar 18 19:23:14 <Eiffel> as its on all the time 
Mar 18 19:23:16 <Eiffel> could happen
Mar 18 19:27:30 <tuv> Eiffel: my disk is an external maxtor (prepacked  by maxtor -- OneTouch).. so heat cannot be the problem
Mar 18 19:27:55 <tuv> Eiffel, xfs is a journaling filesystem that one can use instead of ext3 for example
Mar 18 19:33:13 <Snide> Yea, are you using ext2?
Mar 18 19:33:29 <tuv> ext3
Mar 18 19:46:26 <Snide> ext3 is more reliable
Mar 18 19:46:43 <Snide> are you rebooting your slug alot?
Mar 18 19:47:03 <tuv> no.. my only explanation is that the disk got disconnected somehow!
Mar 18 19:47:22 <tuv> i have a ups for the disk and the slug
Mar 18 19:47:50 <tuv> Snide, so you think ext3 is more reliable than xfs and jfs?
Mar 18 19:52:54 <Snide> I don't really know
Mar 18 19:53:03 <Snide> I'm using reiser on this machine & its pretty good
Mar 18 19:53:21 <Snide> do you run the tune2fs?
Mar 18 19:53:38 <Snide> and fsck
Mar 18 19:54:14 <tuv> Snide, i run fsck.. and every once in a while it gets me a big lost+found directory
Mar 18 20:03:12 <Snide> I don't know what to say
Mar 18 20:03:28 <Snide> How much data are you making it handle?
Mar 18 20:03:42 <tuv> it's a 250GB hd
Mar 18 20:03:51 <tuv> more than half is full
Mar 18 20:08:44 <joga> I had a lacie 250GB disk that had a maxtor disk array inside it, it broken down in a year
Mar 18 20:08:51 <joga> then got service, and I got it back broken
Mar 18 20:08:58 <joga> in short, some usb disks just suck
Mar 18 20:08:59 <joga> :p
Mar 18 20:09:53 <joga> also, I bought a brand new 400GB western digital less than two weeks ago
Mar 18 20:10:11 <tuv> i guess you just can't beat an old fat pc ;)
Mar 18 20:10:16 <joga> ran badblocks on it for about 35+ hours, then found a bad sector. I returned the drive and took another and tested that too and it was clean
Mar 18 20:10:54 <tuv> btw, how do you know it has badblocks after the scan?
Mar 18 20:12:10 <joga> because bad blocks reports a bad block, and also I saw errors in the kernel log
Mar 18 20:12:53 <joga> I thought it was unacceptable for a hard drive to have bad sectors from the shelf
Mar 18 20:13:34 <tuv> well how do you check after a while? i mean fsck stores a list of badblocks somewhere.. how can you list them?
Mar 18 20:20:44 <joga> you can feed badblocks a list of detected bad blocks so it knows they're dead and it will skip checking them
Mar 18 20:21:18 <joga> badblocks produces output suitable for feeding into fsck too
Mar 18 20:21:19 <tuv> joga: i want the other way around: i want to be told what is the current list of badblocks in the drive
Mar 18 20:21:35 <joga> you can use dumpe2fs to get filesystem info
Mar 18 20:21:48 <joga> -b parameter will list the bad blocks
Mar 18 20:21:52 <joga> I think
Mar 18 20:22:08 <tuv> right.. that's it.. thanks
Mar 18 20:22:12 <joga> so badblocks and fsck can interoperate, if you use the same block size
Mar 18 20:22:37 <tuv> joga: i trigger badblocks from within fsck with the -c option i guess
Mar 18 20:23:21 <joga> hope it does read-only test :p
Mar 18 20:24:13 <tuv> my disk has no badblocks.. i performed a full read-write test not too long ago
Mar 18 21:13:57 <VerTeX> hi =)
Mar 18 21:14:37 <VerTeX> i'm looking for some info on flashing my nlsu2
Mar 18 21:14:53 <VerTeX> anyone here?
Mar 18 21:15:45 <VerTeX> =/
Mar 18 21:16:08 <Snide> Yea
Mar 18 21:16:18 <Snide> What do you want to know?
Mar 18 21:16:45 <VerTeX> i'm about to flash it.. after i've copied some stuff off my currently NTFS formatted 300 GB disk
Mar 18 21:17:06 <VerTeX> was wondering what the best choice would be.. unslug on openslug.. or something else
Mar 18 21:17:17 <VerTeX> want to run squid and web server on it
Mar 18 21:18:26 <VerTeX> also i'm having some problems with ntfs disk on standard V2.3R63 linksys firmware
Mar 18 21:18:33 <VerTeX> damn thing hangs now and then
Mar 18 21:19:27 <Snide> Well, everything is at the site
Mar 18 21:19:37 <deesk> this seems to be common (ntfs problems)
Mar 18 21:19:37 <Snide> upslug2 to do it after you have put it in maintenance mode
Mar 18 21:19:50 <Snide> Yea, NTFS write support isn't perfected
Mar 18 21:19:56 <VerTeX> i read that
Mar 18 21:20:13 <deesk> personally, i converted my ntfs 160 gb disk to fat32 (with partition magic 8) and now i have no problems
Mar 18 21:20:17 <VerTeX> thats why i thought i'd improve it with the firmware
Mar 18 21:20:38 <VerTeX> no problems crossing the 30 gig limit?
Mar 18 21:20:48 <VerTeX> and also. the 2 gb file limit of fat32?
Mar 18 21:21:02 <deesk> i have no files >2 gb. but of course that would be a problem
Mar 18 21:21:20 <deesk> 30 gig limit.. no problems there
Mar 18 21:22:00 <VerTeX> ah k.. but i mainly store alcohol images of my cd's
Mar 18 21:22:05 <VerTeX> so.. not fat32 for me
Mar 18 21:22:15 <VerTeX> en dvd's
Mar 18 21:22:16 <VerTeX> hehe
Mar 18 21:22:46 <VerTeX> so what should i use.. openslug or Unslung 5.x
Mar 18 21:24:59 <VerTeX> no preference?
Mar 18 21:25:29 <VerTeX> ah copying alsmost ready
Mar 18 21:42:14 <deesk> i am trying to format a usb-flash natively with the web interface of 2.3r63. but it won't let me. it says "disk 1 is not HDD". What can I do? any ideas?
Mar 18 21:54:06 <deesk> i am trying to format a usb-flash natively with the web interface of 2.3r63. but it won't let me. it says "disk 1 is not HDD". What can I do? any ideas?
Mar 18 21:54:57 <VerTeX> same prob here.. i gave up
Mar 18 21:54:58 <VerTeX> lol
Mar 18 21:55:29 <VerTeX> gonna flash unslung
Mar 18 21:55:32 <VerTeX> now
Mar 18 21:56:02 <Snide> I'm trying debian
Mar 18 21:56:12 <Snide> Its been broken for a while
Mar 18 21:56:16 <Snide> hopefully its fixed now
Mar 18 21:56:37 <deesk> i am not giving up yet. found out there's a stupid check in the web interface, in javascript, that pops this error msg. if i only knew how to work around it....
Mar 18 21:56:49 <Snide> you using firefox?
Mar 18 21:57:02 <deesk> yes
Mar 18 21:57:09 <Snide> disable javascript
Mar 18 21:57:24 <deesk> no. then the formatting doesn't work at all. it's all based on javascript
Mar 18 21:57:37 <VerTeX> heard debian is slower
Mar 18 21:59:11 <deesk> maybe the earlier versions of the firmware don't have this check? on nslu2-linux.org it says that formatting a usb flash should work if it's >256 mb
Mar 18 22:27:12 <deesk> still working on that flash format problem...
Mar 18 22:27:48 <VerTeX> nano doesnt seem to work after ipkg install
Mar 18 22:27:56 <VerTeX> where has it goem
Mar 18 22:27:58 <VerTeX> gone
Mar 18 22:28:56 <VerTeX> dunno how vi works
Mar 18 22:29:05 <VerTeX> help anyone?
Mar 18 22:31:51 <deesk> can some1 do me a favour? if you have an nslu2 with anything but linksys-r63 firmware: type in your browser "http://192.168.1.77/Management/utility.cgi?next_file=disk.htm", then check source code of that web page for this : "alert("Disk 1 isn't HDD, cannot format it!");" ??
Mar 18 22:32:59 <Snide> VerTeX, nano / pico
Mar 18 22:32:59 <Snide> ?
Mar 18 22:33:25 <VerTeX> ipkg install nano.. installed ok.. but nano is not available
Mar 18 22:33:35 <VerTeX> Unslung firmware.. telnet session
Mar 18 22:33:45 <Snide> try /usr/bin/nano
Mar 18 22:33:52 <Snide> or whereis nano
Mar 18 22:34:12 <VerTeX> no luck
Mar 18 22:34:20 <VerTeX> how do i edit in vi
Mar 18 22:34:23 <Snide> Well, vi isn't that hard, just a little different
Mar 18 22:34:27 <Snide> hit escape
Mar 18 22:34:28 <VerTeX> can't seem to type anything when i start it
Mar 18 22:34:43 <Snide> or press i to start inserting text
Mar 18 22:35:08 <VerTeX> k thnx
Mar 18 22:35:23 <VerTeX> hmm. backspace? del? not working
Mar 18 22:35:34 <Eiffel_> hit esc type x
Mar 18 22:35:48 <VerTeX> aaah.. thanx alot!
Mar 18 22:35:50 <VerTeX> =)
Mar 18 22:36:26 <Snide> There is a vi tutorial somewhere
Mar 18 22:37:03 <VerTeX> i know.. hehe.. i know the :quit! and :q stuff.. just forgot the other.. been working with gentoo for too long
Mar 18 22:40:22 <Eiffel_> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Learning_the_vi_editor
Mar 18 22:41:49 <VerTeX> again thanx
Mar 18 22:42:06 <Eiffel_> np
Mar 18 22:42:51 <VerTeX> hmm.. installed squid
Mar 18 22:43:00 <VerTeX> now.. how to launch it
Mar 18 22:43:01 <VerTeX> hehe
Mar 18 22:43:32 <Snide> debian?
Mar 18 22:43:44 <Snide> nevermind... I don't know how either
Mar 18 22:44:07 <VerTeX> unslung
Mar 18 22:44:19 <VerTeX> why isn't it in the path
Mar 18 22:45:31 <caplink811_log> VerTeX,  everything that you installs goes to /opt, so nano is in /opt/bin
Mar 18 22:46:58 <caplink811_log> VerTeX,  every service which you installs comes (mostly) with a start script which is in /opt/etc/init.d (the contents of those directory is executed at aech system start)
Mar 18 22:48:54 <VerTeX> Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE7): Terminated abnormally.
Mar 18 22:48:54 <VerTeX> CPU Usage: 0.050 seconds = 0.030 user + 0.020 sys
Mar 18 22:48:54 <VerTeX> Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB
Mar 18 22:48:54 <VerTeX> Page faults with physical i/o: 225
Mar 18 22:48:54 <VerTeX> Aborted
Mar 18 22:48:55 <VerTeX> done.
Mar 18 22:48:57 <VerTeX> done.
Mar 18 22:49:18 <VerTeX> time to review my conf
Mar 18 22:58:59 <VerTeX> # /opt/etc/init.d/K80squid reload
Mar 18 22:58:59 <VerTeX> Reloading proxy server configuration files: 2006/03/18 23:58:43| parseConfigFile
Mar 18 22:58:59 <VerTeX> : line 54 unrecognized: '  visable_hostname storage '
Mar 18 22:58:59 <VerTeX> FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname.  Please set 'visible_hostna
Mar 18 22:58:59 <VerTeX> me'
Mar 18 23:00:00 <VerTeX> nm
Mar 18 23:00:01 <VerTeX> got it
Mar 18 23:07:01 <VerTeX> is there an unslug channel ?
Mar 18 23:07:08 <VerTeX> is there an unslung channel ?
Mar 18 23:16:10 <caplink811_log> basically, no, at this channel are all user questions on topic, at #nslu2-linux is this the developer topic, #openslug's topic is program, aeh, openslug, and #debonaras is for questions about opendebianslug and others
Mar 18 23:18:20 <VerTeX> ah ok.. gto squid working btw
Mar 18 23:18:27 <VerTeX> =)
Mar 18 23:18:33 <VerTeX> now for openvpn
Mar 18 23:22:23 <VerTeX> how do it make squid service run at reboot?
Mar 18 23:29:35 <VerTeX> how do it make squid service run at reboot?
Mar 18 23:34:29 <caplink811_log> as i mentioned above, each file which begins with the letter S in /opt/etc/init.d is executed at boot time
Mar 18 23:43:35 <VerTeX> thanx alot1
Mar 18 23:43:36 <VerTeX> =)
Mar 18 23:47:43 <VerTeX> hmm
Mar 18 23:47:52 <VerTeX> ./clean-all doesnt seem to work.. openvpn
Mar 18 23:47:58 <VerTeX> ./vars works
Mar 18 23:49:54 <tuv> Snide, are you trying debianslug or opendebian, i.e. armel or armeb?
Mar 18 23:55:22 <tuv> has anyone tried debian on nslu2? how does it compare to unslung?
Mar 19 00:02:42 <tuv> guys please advise.. i've had a major disk corruption and most likely will have to reinstall everything.. is debian any better than unslung?
Mar 19 00:08:51 <VerTeX> just installed unslung
Mar 19 00:08:55 <VerTeX> works nide
Mar 19 00:08:56 <VerTeX> nice
Mar 19 00:09:05 <VerTeX> dunno about debian
Mar 19 00:09:10 <tuv> i've had unslung for more than a year now
Mar 19 00:09:23 <VerTeX> trying to get openvpn to work with tap device.. but no tap.o
Mar 19 00:09:25 <VerTeX> =/
Mar 19 00:09:29 <tuv> but had two disk corruption incidents
Mar 19 00:09:35 <VerTeX> damn that sux
Mar 19 00:09:39 <VerTeX> =S
Mar 19 00:09:45 <VerTeX> maxtor?
Mar 19 00:09:50 <tuv> yup
Mar 19 00:09:59 <VerTeX> been known to crash alot
Mar 19 00:10:00 <tuv> i scanned for badblocks and found none
Mar 19 00:10:04 <VerTeX> maxtor disks
Mar 19 00:10:16 <VerTeX> WD for me
Mar 19 00:10:40 <caplink811_log> VerTeX,  but you know about the wiki ? (aka read more and ask less)
Mar 19 00:11:07 <tuv> i though maxtor disks are the best!!
Mar 19 00:11:20 <tuv> had nice experiences with them before this one
Mar 19 00:11:33 <tuv> honestly, i don't think it's the disk
Mar 19 00:22:33 <VerTeX> heh.. i just know they can't stand heat very well.. but that aside.. anyone got TAP.o for me?
Mar 19 00:25:38 <VerTeX> anyone?
Mar 19 00:26:00 <caplink811_log> VerTeX,  but you know about the wiki ? (aka read more and ask less)
Mar 19 00:26:28 <caplink811_log> ~nslu2-wiki
Mar 19 00:26:29 <capbot> methinks nslu2-wiki is the short-hand way of saying "Have a look at the NSLU2-Linux Wiki at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/".
Mar 19 00:27:29 <VerTeX> hmm.. wiki
Mar 19 00:27:43 <Snide> tuv, was trying the broken debain installer from http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/
Mar 19 00:28:45 <VerTeX> no tap.o then? lol
Mar 19 00:28:53 <tuv> Snide, it says it will be broken only for a short period of time.. besides, there is the compile-from-source installation method
Mar 19 00:29:13 <Snide> I don't want to compile everything from source, thats stupid
Mar 19 00:29:32 <Snide> Will wait patiently
Mar 19 00:31:22 <caplink811_log> VerTeX,  you search for tun.o which you found if you enter ipkg update;ipkg lst|grep tun, btw there are some nice howto's at www.openvpn.or
Mar 19 00:31:23 <caplink811_log> g
Mar 19 00:32:21 <tuv> Snide, why didn't you just install unslung then?
Mar 19 00:33:11 <caplink811_log> it's openvpn.net..
Mar 19 00:35:13 <VerTeX> nm.. got it.. 
Mar 19 00:35:22 <VerTeX> just thought i'd keep ya busy
Mar 19 00:35:24 <VerTeX> =p
Mar 19 00:36:18 <Snide> tuv, I might... Just wanted access to the 15,000 packages
Mar 19 00:36:41 <tuv> Snide, do you know of any performance/reliability differences?
Mar 19 01:22:01 <VerTeX> thanx for the help.. laterz
Mar 19 02:06:19 * pahartik just figured out how to read "syslogd" buffer contents on OpenSlug
Mar 19 02:12:59 * pahartik feels enlightened
Mar 19 04:24:21 <alex_mayorga> night people
Mar 19 04:24:48 <alex_mayorga> I finally was able to flash unslug 5.5b in my NSLU2
Mar 19 04:25:06 <alex_mayorga> my question here is, is there a final version out already?
Mar 19 09:40:17 <cc1010> Hello, does anyone know how to install a working c++ compiler on unslung 5.5?
Mar 19 09:51:20 <tuv> how do i supply kernel options for boot in unslung?
Mar 19 10:46:31 <tuv> i just installed unslung 5.5 and after unsling it hangs on boot
Mar 19 10:46:52 <tuv> i remember this happening before but i'm not sure how it was fixed
Mar 19 10:47:05 <tuv> can anyone help me out here?
Mar 19 10:47:23 <tuv> i think by removing the .sda1root file or something?
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