**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 11 09:59:57 2006
Apr 11 18:04:15 <sirpreis> hi there. is it possible to run java on those nslu2's?
Apr 11 18:06:05 <joga> maybe if you put some more mem in it...
Apr 11 18:06:24 <joga> I refuse to believe one could run java on an nslu2 otherwise..
Apr 11 18:06:30 <joga> :)
Apr 11 18:08:07 <sirpreis> how much ram is in there?
Apr 11 18:08:31 <sirpreis> actually we have a system (written in java), which uses bluetooth sticks attached to usb slots
Apr 11 18:08:44 <sirpreis> and i wanted to know if we could run that system on a nslu2
Apr 11 18:09:05 <joga> I think it has 32MB
Apr 11 18:09:11 <joga> and most of it is used when you boot it up
Apr 11 18:09:37 <sirpreis> is it even possible to put more ram in it?
Apr 11 18:09:46 <joga> for example, I've flashed unslung 5.5 beta and installed openssh, bash and set up nfs...let's see how much I've got free..
Apr 11 18:10:09 <joga> 628kB
Apr 11 18:10:15 <sirpreis> oh ok :P
Apr 11 18:10:20 <joga> dunno if it's possible, it's certainly not easy
Apr 11 18:10:51 <sirpreis> ok. is there even a JVM for that machine?
Apr 11 18:10:57 <joga> for arm? yes I think so
Apr 11 18:11:05 <sirpreis> yea, arm
Apr 11 18:25:45 <pahartik> sirpreis: what do you do with Bluetooth on NSLU2?
Apr 11 18:26:29 <sirpreis> pahartik: it's a system we're developing.. to much to explain. basically we send stuff to cell phones when they request it
Apr 11 18:26:35 <sirpreis> information, pictures, audio..
Apr 11 18:27:15 <sirpreis> and some trainstations are interested and to show them, the nslu2 is maybe a good thing
Apr 11 18:27:21 <sirpreis> don't know. was just an idea
Apr 11 18:28:34 <pahartik> sirpreis: I am using NSLU2 as Bluetooth 2.0 class 1 PAN access point...
Apr 11 18:28:40 <RonCrawford-PA> Hello? 
Apr 11 18:28:48 <joga> sirpreis heh, write your system in something else than java and you may have a chance :)
Apr 11 18:29:05 <RonCrawford-PA> 1st time here, am I connected correctly?
Apr 11 18:29:16 <joga> RonCrawford-PA at least we can hear you ;)
Apr 11 18:29:22 <RonCrawford-PA> thanks! :-)
Apr 11 18:30:01 <sirpreis> pahartik: we were using... what is it called.. bluez stack? + java.. it was just a prototype though
Apr 11 18:30:53 <RonCrawford-PA> pahartik: I have a project that has the same requirements you just mentioned. We need Bluetooth connectivity to the NSLU2 AND we need code to interface w/ bluetooth. Where do I find docs for programming? -thanks
Apr 11 18:31:55 <RonCrawford-PA> To better clarify my last remark, I need docs on programming in the NSLU2 environment.
Apr 11 18:34:37 <pahartik> RonCrawford-PA: I just installed binary packages providing Bluez modules and utilities... and ethernet bridge module and utilities... on OpenSlug 2.7-beta and configured them...
Apr 11 18:39:09 <pahartik> sirpreis: thing I am still somewhat stuck with is turning Bluetooth serial port to act as emergency console if networking is broken... I think provided "getty" does not play nice with Bluez serial port... there is long delay between accepting incoming connection and "login: " -prompt showing up
Apr 11 18:40:06 <RonCrawford-PA> pahartik: Are you writing code for the nslu2?
Apr 11 18:41:24 <sirpreis> pahartik: know idea, but i know that "long delay" problem :) the cell phone we used took like.. 10 secs to get a connection or whatever
Apr 11 18:44:17 <RonCrawford-PA> Anyone here??? 
Apr 11 18:45:08 <pahartik> RonCrawford-PA: no, I just know how to read some simple ANSI C code and write some code in Python... and I get along well with Unix systems... primary reason for me to get Linksys NSLU2 was to get decent open source Bluetooth 2.0 class 1 PAN access point... other experiments with it are just nice bonus...
Apr 11 18:46:04 <RonCrawford-PA> pahartik: Can you describe how you're using the bluetooth access point?
Apr 11 18:46:04 <sirpreis> pahartik: did you install some other distribution on the NSLU2?
Apr 11 18:47:09 <pahartik> sirpreis: other than OpenSlug?
Apr 11 18:47:32 <sirpreis> if OpenSlug is the default OS on it, yea :D
Apr 11 18:49:34 <pahartik> RonCrawford-PA: I use it as ethernet bridge between wired LAN and iBook G4... usually in my cave but also taking it along if I know that wired LAN is available somewhere I plan to stay at for at least few hours
Apr 11 18:50:03 <RonCrawford-PA> pahartik: I understand now, thanks :-)
Apr 11 18:50:43 <pahartik> sirpreis: Linksys provides that official firmware, which I did not bother on even trying...
Apr 11 18:53:18 <sirpreis> pahartik: ok. i was thinking about installing gentoo (if we even get a nslu2=
Apr 11 18:53:20 <sirpreis> )
Apr 11 18:55:39 <pahartik> RonCrawford-PA: whenever wired network is not available, as in bus, train or other vehicles, as well as restaurants, cafes... I use Bluetooth GPRS device for mobile network uplink... :)
Apr 11 18:56:16 <sirpreis> you always have to be connected, haven't you
Apr 11 18:56:17 <sirpreis> :D
Apr 11 18:57:50 <pahartik> sirpreis: there should not be delay longer than about two seconds under average conditions... it is just that "getty" does not like Bluetooth serial port all that much
Apr 11 18:58:12 <sirpreis> i see
Apr 11 19:01:32 <caplink811_log> sirpreis,  there are other distros available on the slug, opendebianslug and debianslug which are both debian based, the difference is the 1st is be and the 2nd le. if you have the need for a device with more ram, and more speed of course, you should contact [g2] at #debonaras or #nslu2-linux
Apr 11 19:02:28 <pahartik> sirpreis: I bought iBook G4 to have IRC everywhere... :) well, almost
Apr 11 19:03:17 <joga> I use a mobile phone for that..
Apr 11 19:03:32 <caplink811_log> RonCrawford-PA,  if you digging for information on how programming with/for the slug, you should use http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/AddAPackageToUnslung as a good starting point
Apr 11 19:03:35 <sirpreis> caplink811_log: well, if putting more ram in it is a problem at all, i don't think we will get one
Apr 11 19:05:18 <caplink811_log> remember, that a *x system isn't a windows system, so the 1st use basically all available ram for the running processes, and swap it out, if more space is needed, so the "free" ram don't say anything. it depends on the swap speed and size.
Apr 11 19:06:02 <pahartik> sirpreis: already had PalmOS device but could not get registration for it, and having only IrDA it always required some flat space for setting PDA and GPRS device on...
Apr 11 19:06:32 <caplink811_log> there are some guys who owns a slug with 128mb, but you must soldering and change the bootloader to apex
Apr 11 19:09:19 <sirpreis> changing the bootloader isn't too much of a problem.. but soldering.. i don't know :D
Apr 11 19:12:01 <joga> I was afraid to solder the thing when I de-underclocked it...the resistor was so tiny I think I would have broken at least 10 other parts if I soldered it out :) so I used a knife heh
Apr 11 19:12:20 <sirpreis> hehe
Apr 11 19:12:30 <sirpreis> why is it underclocked anyway?
Apr 11 19:13:14 <joga> maybe because the 'normal usage' doesn't require it being any faster, and they thought it would be safer to run it a bit more calmly...but dunno
Apr 11 19:13:53 * pahartik does not like soldering
Apr 11 19:13:53 <caplink811_log> dunno, but if you have furhter questions about more ram on the slug, you should talk to sinclair73de at #nslu2-german, he have a 128mb slug
Apr 11 19:14:20 <sirpreis> oh, and he's german? so am i :)
Apr 11 19:14:26 <caplink811_log> i know
Apr 11 19:14:35 <joga> maybe he lives next door too
Apr 11 19:14:42 <joga> and you could STEAL his slug!
Apr 11 19:14:43 <joga> :-p
Apr 11 19:15:00 <caplink811_log> no, i assume ;)
Apr 11 19:15:00 <sirpreis> i would steel his soldering stuff :D
Apr 11 19:15:08 <Mika_> joga you have a bad mind :)
Apr 11 19:15:18 <evildevil> bad to the bone
Apr 11 19:15:19 <joga> I have no mind really, I have a wicker basket
Apr 11 19:15:26 <caplink811_log> Mika_,  hi :)
Apr 11 19:15:38 <Mika_> hey caplink811_log ..and the rest .morning
Apr 11 19:16:31 <caplink811_log> well reared he is ;)
Apr 11 19:18:07 <Mika_> but 128mb at the slug is nice.. did he make a howto from it
Apr 11 19:18:35 <caplink811_log> Mika_,  yes, imho, but it is in german
Apr 11 19:19:10 <Mika_> Not so easy but do you have a link ? or do i have to scroll back for the link
Apr 11 19:19:34 <caplink811_log> no, i'll search for it, jam
Apr 11 19:19:55 <Mika_> thx.
Apr 11 19:24:14 <caplink811_log> Mika_,  no howto, only a thread in the german forum (with pictures) which starts here http://www.nslu2-info.de/showthread.php?t=3650
Apr 11 19:24:43 <exe> Hi. I need some help with installing WinTV PVR USB2 on my slug. Is here anyone who can help me?
Apr 11 19:25:34 <Mika_> Thx caplink811_log i wil try to read that ..but first help a friend in dutch with a nslu what not wil see his disk
Apr 11 19:26:01 <caplink811_log> exe,  you want ask effem at #nslu2-linux for assistence
Apr 11 19:26:26 <exe> thanks caplink811_log 
Apr 11 19:26:46 <caplink811_log> Mika_,  remember the howto's and the faq there are hints which covers this topic
Apr 11 19:28:00 <Mika_> What do you mean caplink811_log about de disk or about the 128mb ram
Apr 11 19:28:27 <caplink811_log> exe, or kami or kami22 (same person) at #nslu2-german
Apr 11 19:29:02 <caplink811_log> Mika_,  the last message was about the disk problem
Apr 11 19:29:27 <Mika_> yes you mean  : http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/DiskNotRecognized
Apr 11 19:29:58 <Mika_> but i hear he use the original firmware so it is beter to upgrade first to unslung 5.5
Apr 11 19:30:02 <caplink811_log> for example, yes
Apr 11 19:30:26 <caplink811_log> hm, may depends on the enclosure he uses
Apr 11 19:31:01 <Mika_> He wil use unslung but was try first with orginal firmware
Apr 11 19:32:47 <caplink811_log> no good choice that is ;)
Apr 11 19:35:08 <Mika_> Yes start with what you want and forget all other things
Apr 11 19:44:13 <Mika_> but he is flash it now
Apr 11 19:44:23 <Mika_> so we have to wait til that step is done
Apr 11 19:45:30 <caplink811_log> 3 minutes until he discovers uncharged areas ;)
Apr 11 19:47:16 <Mika_> lol...
Apr 11 19:47:49 <Mika_> but he get an error : 
Apr 11 19:48:04 <Mika_> No enough free space
Apr 11 19:49:10 <Mika_> firmware version: v2.3R24 is now running on it
Apr 11 19:49:27 <Mika_> so it must work to use the webinterface to flash
Apr 11 19:49:53 <caplink811_log> he shouldn't use another browser than ie
Apr 11 19:50:52 <caplink811_log> or use http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseTheResetButtonToEnterUpgradeMode and the sercom tool (if he uses windows, what i assume)
Apr 11 19:50:52 <Mika_> is firefox not working ?
Apr 11 19:51:12 <caplink811_log> htere seems to be problems, which results in that error above
Apr 11 19:52:31 <caplink811_log> use the force, aeh the faq Mika_ (http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/WebUpgradeErrors)
Apr 11 19:52:52 <Mika_> he use ie
Apr 11 19:56:23 <Mika_> he try it again .. but all disk are removed ( that was also a note from the readme.
Apr 11 19:57:31 <Mika_> if this not work he must try the tool
Apr 11 19:58:09 <caplink811_log> which seems to be the better way in all cases
Apr 11 20:00:00 <Mika_> yes maybe 
Apr 11 20:05:37 <Mika_> How is life caplink811_log ..girl friend back home ?
Apr 11 20:05:45 <Mika_> or is she stil out 
Apr 11 20:06:34 <caplink811_log> no, she travels until thursday, so my rest phase is over tomorrow... time to clean up ;)
Apr 11 20:07:18 <Mika_> Yes.. maybe it is a good idea to start quick.. what if she comes home more early 
Apr 11 20:08:01 <evildevil> yeah, send the other chick home ;) caplink811_log 
Apr 11 20:08:54 <Mika_> If there was a other chick what do he do online then :)...
Apr 11 20:08:58 <caplink811_log> ;) evildevil , you're realy bad... Mika_ i'm sorry that we was interrupted at the day before yesterday, but there are some problems with freenode
Apr 11 20:09:21 <caplink811_log> Mika_,  a good point ;)
Apr 11 20:09:27 <Mika_> No problem caplink811_log .. a friend came here also and drink a beer
Apr 11 20:09:40 <caplink811_log> Mika_,  a good point, too
Apr 11 20:11:50 <caplink811_log> but no chcicks at all, only finghting against a wbt (with an indian trainee which try to speak english), so it is a pain for/in my ears
Apr 11 20:12:36 <caplink811_log> so, it is a good time for a beer too, to reduce the pain ;)
Apr 11 20:13:25 <evildevil> Mika_, you don't know where he's hiding here.. maybe under his desk ;)
Apr 11 20:14:29 <caplink811_log> only a cat, there is, i swear ;)
Apr 11 20:15:21 <evildevil> caplink811_log, you mean a "pussy" ?
Apr 11 20:15:32 <Mika_> a beer is always good :) ... and with a girl under desk
Apr 11 20:15:46 <Mika_> Lol evil is evildevil 
Apr 11 20:16:03 <caplink811_log> a nice idea, but it is only and realy a cat!
Apr 11 20:16:22 <evildevil> yeah... a catwoman.
Apr 11 20:16:24 <caplink811_log> back to business, Mika_ the new fw is up and running?
Apr 11 20:16:30 <Mika_> and the cat is not speaking english ?
Apr 11 20:16:47 <Mika_> hey is try the tool but i can not help him with that
Apr 11 20:16:57 <Mika_> Because i dont know the tool
Apr 11 20:17:10 <Mika_> but found this for him : http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linksys.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2901&p_created=1124756239&p_sid=HFJSf4Sh&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9OCZwX3Byb2RzPTc0NiwwJnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0xLjc0NjsyLnUwJnBfY3Y9JnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9YW5zd2Vycy5zZWFyY2hfbmwmcF9zY2ZfbGFuZz0xJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1
Apr 11 20:17:13 <caplink811_log> evildevil,  grumpf, running out of replies
Apr 11 20:17:17 <Mika_> is that correct ?
Apr 11 20:18:07 <Mika_> i think evildevil have a great fantasi ..or he is telling a dream
Apr 11 20:18:09 <caplink811_log> nope, don't use the erase all utility, use the sercom tool instead
Apr 11 20:18:43 <caplink811_log> and btw, the cat speaks (what is usual) catish ;)
Apr 11 20:20:35 <caplink811_log> you could get the tool here http://www.nslu2-info.de/downloads.php?do=file&id=14&act=down
Apr 11 20:21:03 <Mika_> i have the tool found
Apr 11 20:21:27 <evildevil> ok, i'll stop. i don't want this log to be found on bash.org ;)
Apr 11 20:21:55 <caplink811_log> but the slug must be in upgrade mode (which means that the ready led is flashing red/green)
Apr 11 20:23:04 <caplink811_log> and the workstation should be in the same network segment as the slug is
Apr 11 20:24:10 <caplink811_log> evildevil,  we'll see
Apr 11 20:27:01 <evildevil> time for lunch
Apr 11 20:27:32 <Mika_> For lunch ? we go sleep soon :)
Apr 11 20:28:29 <caplink811_log> a curious guy, he is ...
Apr 11 20:30:47 <Mika_> is he not from germany ?
Apr 11 20:30:52 <evildevil> curious?
Apr 11 20:30:58 <evildevil> you mean strange
Apr 11 20:30:58 <caplink811_log> sure, he is..
Apr 11 20:32:03 <caplink811_log> maybe weird... meets the meaning
Apr 11 20:32:25 <evildevil> curious means "neugierig", isn't it?
Apr 11 20:32:55 <caplink811_log> http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&sectHdr=on&spellToler=on&search=merkw%FCrdig&relink=on
Apr 11 20:33:12 <caplink811_log> it is
Apr 11 20:33:55 <evildevil> it means both... didn't know the second meaning though
Apr 11 20:35:20 <caplink811_log> np, i'm pleased to teach you something <eg>
Apr 11 20:39:22 <evildevil> a good deed a day ;)
Apr 11 20:39:52 <Mika_> caplink811_log: hey comes not in upgrade mode and point 5 it stays orange
Apr 11 20:40:17 <Mika_> i mean yello
Apr 11 20:40:20 <Mika_> w
Apr 11 20:40:36 <caplink811_log> sure, as a good boy scout ;)
Apr 11 20:40:59 <caplink811_log> Mika_,  he tried the method as described in the link above ?
Apr 11 20:41:18 <Mika_> this : http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseTheResetButtonToEnterUpgradeMode
Apr 11 20:42:05 <caplink811_log> yes, this is what i meant
Apr 11 20:42:31 <caplink811_log> this usually worked for me
Apr 11 20:42:51 <Mika_> i ask if he did it correct
Apr 11 20:43:01 <Mika_> maybe he makes a fault..
Apr 11 20:43:17 <Mika_> i know he reads not good..or to quick
Apr 11 20:44:18 <caplink811_log> switch off, hold the reset button at the back of the nslu, switch on and wait until the ready led went to red, then leave the reset button asap, and the ready led should flash red/green
Apr 11 20:45:04 <Mika_> yes that is what at the page is.. but he say it flash yellow
Apr 11 20:45:05 <caplink811_log> or invite him to #nslu2-general
Apr 11 20:45:39 <Mika_> I ask him but his english is not good that is why i try to help him translate the readme
Apr 11 20:46:53 <Mika_> omg .. he try again from the web interface and now it looks that it works
Apr 11 20:47:04 <caplink811_log> myself had a slug with the same behaviour, but i could solve the problem, by trying the procedure some times
Apr 11 20:47:11 <Mika_> the led is flash for 4 minutes now
Apr 11 20:47:36 <caplink811_log> when it flashes red/green it is time to use the sercom tool
Apr 11 20:47:48 <Mika_> it is working now caplink811_log 
Apr 11 20:48:09 <Mika_> just at the start when he use the webinterface ..
Apr 11 20:48:27 <Mika_> i dont know what he did but we can start next part
Apr 11 20:48:28 <Mika_> :)
Apr 11 20:51:39 <evildevil> sounds like windows "i don't know what i did, but it is working now"
Apr 11 20:52:49 <Mika_> Lol..you are right evildevil ... or reboot and see if it works then
Apr 11 20:53:04 <Mika_> But for the log stil the old firmware is in the slug
Apr 11 20:54:10 <Mika_> so i told hem try a couple of times like caplink811_log say to come in upgrade mode
Apr 11 20:55:13 <Mika_> HIt Me !!!!! i get crazie..now he say it is ok it is 5.5 .. 
Apr 11 20:55:23 <Mika_> i want to go to my bed :)
Apr 11 20:56:20 <Mika_> I dont know what he is doing.. but i think we make progress
Apr 11 21:00:55 <evildevil> sounds like a gossip between windows deverlopers "i don't know what he is doing... but i think we can make progress"
Apr 11 21:04:38 <caplink811_log> Mika_,  come on, go for gold ;) don't think about your bed and your wife <eg>
Apr 11 21:05:47 <Mika_> hehe we try now to regonnise his disk
Apr 11 21:19:31 <caplink811_log> ey Mika_ , the audience is listening, what's about the recognising the disc? any progress?
Apr 11 21:22:01 <Mika_> ok the firmware is ok ..he did not look good  so that part is done but he wil not see the disk
Apr 11 21:22:50 <Mika_> But he wil try the disk tomorow first on windows.. because he is not sure if the disk is ok
Apr 11 21:23:57 <Mika_> but he wants to sleep ..but i ask him quick the output from fdisk -l
Apr 11 21:27:46 <caplink811_log> what is a good idea, at all, before heading to bed ..
Apr 11 21:29:40 <Mika_> i think he is sleeping so no out put from fdisk -l for today
Apr 11 21:30:32 <caplink811_log> np, as we are in the same tz, it is time for me now, to heading to bed ;9
Apr 11 21:30:50 <caplink811_log> s/;9/:)/g
Apr 11 21:31:11 <caplink811_log> aha, the bot fails with this..
Apr 11 21:31:36 <caplink811_log> ~test
Apr 11 21:31:37 <capbot> ...done
Apr 11 21:31:50 <caplink811_log> but he is still here..
Apr 11 21:32:29 <caplink811_log> Mika_,  i'm off now, have a good night, bye
Apr 11 21:33:08 <Mika_> ok i go sleep to
Apr 11 21:33:12 <Mika_> have a nice rest
Apr 11 21:33:25 <Mika_> and yes we are in the same tz
Apr 11 21:33:37 <Mika_> good night thx for the help
Apr 11 21:33:45 <caplink811_log> np, gn8
Apr 12 04:09:30 <Nimmit> how can I stop SWAT from accepting the guest account
Apr 12 04:09:40 <Nimmit> as a login
Apr 12 07:14:37 <sis3970> Hello
Apr 12 07:20:39 <Nimmit> hey
Apr 12 07:26:32 <sis3970> does anyone know what happened to the libxml2 ipkg?
Apr 12 07:27:04 <sis3970> when installing the php-apache ipkg, I get an error that this libxml2 cannot be found
Apr 12 07:27:18 <sis3970> I tried manualy to install it, but no luck
Apr 12 08:30:19 <pro-x> hello
Apr 12 08:32:14 <pro-x> i have a problem ... when i try to copy my passwd file from /etc/ to /share/hdd/conf/ i get following error : cp: unable to stat `/etc/passwd': Too many levels of symbolic links
Apr 12 08:32:29 <pro-x> Anyone got a solution ?
Apr 12 09:14:36 <pahartik> pro-x: "ls -l /etc/passwd /share/hdd/conf/passwd"
Apr 12 09:21:38 <Nimmit> hey caplink811_log
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