**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 13 09:59:57 2006
Apr 13 11:26:01 <Reedy_Boy> is anyone else having problems with this site
Apr 13 11:26:01 <Reedy_Boy> ?
Apr 13 11:31:24 <caplink811_log> with which site ?
Apr 13 15:03:03 <purefusion> Is there a way around having to reformat my hard drive after I unsling my slug? I've got a 120GB Fat 32 drive that's nearly full.
Apr 13 15:06:09 <capbot> caplink811 :)
Apr 13 15:32:59 <NSLU2-IRC> purefusion: you could just get a cheap 512mb USB memory stick
Apr 13 15:33:07 <Reedy_Boy> purefusion: you could just get a cheap 512mb USB memory stick
Apr 13 15:44:08 <Reedy_Boy> and use that instead of the main drive for unslinging
Apr 13 15:45:37 <purefusion> Reedy_Boy: so there needs to be some type of drive to hold the data for the kernel and packages?
Apr 13 15:45:59 <purefusion> or just the packages?
Apr 13 15:48:06 <Reedy_Boy> yeah
Apr 13 15:48:25 <Reedy_Boy> mine isnt used for storage, so i have just a memory stick for the kernel that is transferred and the packages
Apr 13 15:48:35 <Reedy_Boy> and then you could just use the HD for storage of files like you are currently
Apr 13 15:48:42 <purefusion> ok, cool
Apr 13 15:48:56 <Reedy_Boy> if you unslung to the hard drive, it would need some of the space for the other stuff
Apr 13 15:49:03 <Reedy_Boy> so that is probably the simplest option
Apr 13 15:49:08 <Reedy_Boy> here in the uk they are about £30
Apr 13 15:49:09 <purefusion> I'm looking to use mine for: hard drive space, web hosting and print serving for the most part
Apr 13 15:49:11 <Reedy_Boy> which isn't a lot
Apr 13 15:49:24 <Reedy_Boy> Hmm, where would you be storing the website?
Apr 13 15:49:30 <purefusion> I've got a few spare usb drives
Apr 13 15:49:34 <Reedy_Boy> as that would need some space
Apr 13 15:49:50 <purefusion> not sure as of yet, this is all new to me
Apr 13 15:49:53 <Reedy_Boy> but on a 512mb stick after unslining there is around 300mb of space that is free to use as you want
Apr 13 15:50:25 <Reedy_Boy> so as long as it aint a huge site, you could store it tehre
Apr 13 15:50:29 <purefusion> I've got two external hard drives I'm looking to hook up, I may need a usb hub
Apr 13 15:50:44 <Reedy_Boy> yeah
Apr 13 15:50:55 <Reedy_Boy> probably best use 1 usb slot for the usb stick
Apr 13 15:51:02 <Reedy_Boy> and then a hub on the 2nd and the 2 hard drives on that
Apr 13 15:51:11 <purefusion> should this all be usb 2.0?
Apr 13 15:51:25 <Reedy_Boy> it would give faster speeds
Apr 13 15:51:27 <mwester> If you do unsling to a USB flash stick, you'll wish to read the following article in order to maximise the life of the USB stick: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/Ext3flash
Apr 13 15:51:29 <Reedy_Boy> it however, doesnt have to be
Apr 13 15:51:55 <purefusion> yeah, I figure most of my stuff is
Apr 13 15:52:07 <purefusion> thanks mwester
Apr 13 15:52:26 <Reedy_Boy> oh, so i only need to type touch /.ext3flash then?
Apr 13 15:52:31 <Reedy_Boy> as i did disable the swap
Apr 13 15:52:44 <mwester> Yep, and reboot.
Apr 13 15:52:55 <Reedy_Boy> cool
Apr 13 15:53:00 <Reedy_Boy> ill do that now then
Apr 13 15:54:02 <purefusion> mwester: what would you say the avg life is on a flash drive being used for the slug?
Apr 13 15:54:07 <caplink811> mwester,  nice work, that you have done with the release of unslung-6.8 :)
Apr 13 15:54:42 <Reedy_Boy> when is v6 going to be on public release? (i know you can use it now if you want to compile it and such)
Apr 13 15:55:43 <Reedy_Boy> i may have already done that command...
Apr 13 15:55:44 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 15:57:48 <mwester> 6.8-beta was officially released yesterday --- thanks caplink811!  Many others have contributed as well, this is truely a community project!
Apr 13 15:58:01 <Reedy_Boy> yeah
Apr 13 15:58:16 <Reedy_Boy> oh, i just noticed that on the page that 6.8 is the reccommended verson
Apr 13 15:58:19 <mwester> purefusion: I don't know about the life of the flash -- without the "ext3flash" it might be months or shorter, though.
Apr 13 15:59:23 <caplink811> purefusion,  which version of unslung firmware do you use?
Apr 13 16:00:43 <purefusion> caplink811: I'll probably use 6.8, I haven't done anything yet. Planning to run with it this weekend.
Apr 13 16:01:54 <caplink811> then, it is ok
Apr 13 16:02:05 <purefusion> I'm looking to use the virtual hosting (for multiple domains)
Apr 13 16:02:23 <purefusion> do you think the timestamp disability would cause errors with that?
Apr 13 16:03:45 <purefusion> I also plan to network my HP Photosmart printer
Apr 13 16:06:53 <Wegg> ok
Apr 13 16:07:01 <Wegg> overclocked my slug. . . 
Apr 13 16:07:05 <Wegg> can't telnet into it now.
Apr 13 16:07:10 * Wegg scratches his head.
Apr 13 16:07:55 <Wegg> OOoo forgot to turn on the Enable telnet thing. . . . 
Apr 13 16:07:56 <caplink811> Wegg,  but the slug is functional, ready led is green?
Apr 13 16:07:59 <Reedy_Boy> u broke it then wehh?
Apr 13 16:08:03 <Reedy_Boy> wegg?
Apr 13 16:08:18 <Wegg> No its working great
Apr 13 16:08:19 <Reedy_Boy> oh
Apr 13 16:08:25 <Reedy_Boy> the telnet will be turned off Wegg
Apr 13 16:08:29 <Wegg> was super easy to get that little register off.
Apr 13 16:08:30 <Reedy_Boy> try enabling it again
Apr 13 16:08:44 <mwester> :)  pretty cheap way to double the CPU speed, huh?
Apr 13 16:08:49 <Reedy_Boy> cause you need a diversion script to enable it at boot time everytime
Apr 13 16:08:59 <Reedy_Boy> im presuming you can get to the web interface?
Apr 13 16:09:05 <mwester> Install and use OpenSSH instead of telnet
Apr 13 16:09:19 <Reedy_Boy> thats a job i need to do later on
Apr 13 16:09:29 <Wegg> crap
Apr 13 16:09:33 <Wegg> I have forgotten my password
Apr 13 16:09:36 <Reedy_Boy> http://ipofslug/management/telnet.cgi ?
Apr 13 16:09:40 <Wegg> thats what I get for doing this at 2:am
Apr 13 16:09:43 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 16:09:53 <mwester> There are numerous reasons you will be happier with OpenSSH than with telnet... like PATH variables being automatically set, as well as no diversion scripts required...
Apr 13 16:10:00 <Reedy_Boy> yeah
Apr 13 16:10:13 <Reedy_Boy> i just had mine set up with telnet when drif talked me through it
Apr 13 16:10:28 <Reedy_Boy> i presume telnet is working again Wegg?
Apr 13 16:10:55 <Wegg> it is but I have forgotten the damn password.
Apr 13 16:10:59 <Reedy_Boy> oh
Apr 13 16:11:02 <Wegg> what the hell did I change it too!?!
Apr 13 16:11:02 <Reedy_Boy> im sure there w
Apr 13 16:11:07 <Reedy_Boy> is a way round it
Apr 13 16:11:11 <Wegg> Whats that default one?
Apr 13 16:11:18 <Wegg> Slug something
Apr 13 16:11:21 <Reedy_Boy> unSLUng ?
Apr 13 16:11:27 <Reedy_Boy> in some format or another
Apr 13 16:12:14 <Wegg> I can't believe I have done this. . . 
Apr 13 16:12:22 <Wegg> I don't use THAT many different passwords.
Apr 13 16:12:26 <Wegg> I log in as admin right?
Apr 13 16:12:30 <Reedy_Boy> ROOT
Apr 13 16:12:32 <Reedy_Boy> that'd be it
Apr 13 16:12:38 <Reedy_Boy> root is your login for telnet
Apr 13 16:12:38 <Wegg> GAH!
Apr 13 16:12:45 <Reedy_Boy> thats that on sorted!
Apr 13 16:13:05 <Wegg> sheesh
Apr 13 16:13:11 * Wegg feels like a doofis
Apr 13 16:13:17 <Reedy_Boy> just remember that
Apr 13 16:13:22 <Reedy_Boy> i'll take it your in?
Apr 13 16:14:04 <Wegg> BOO YEA!
Apr 13 16:14:06 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 16:14:16 <Wegg> 263.78 Mhz
Apr 13 16:14:19 <purefusion> sweet, I was reading the chat script from last night :-D
Apr 13 16:14:23 <Reedy_Boy> can someone enlighten us why v2 of ipkg doesnt work!
Apr 13 16:14:29 <Wegg> VROOOM!
Apr 13 16:14:31 <Reedy_Boy> ? even
Apr 13 16:14:51 <Reedy_Boy> does it create that much more heat then?
Apr 13 16:15:01 * Wegg thinks about putting a clear glass wondow on the side of his slug and putting in some blue LEDs.
Apr 13 16:15:03 <Wegg> ;-)
Apr 13 16:15:07 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 16:15:10 <purefusion> lol
Apr 13 16:15:21 <Wegg> maybe water cool it.
Apr 13 16:15:25 <mwester> No.  1 - 2 degrees measured... insignificant for all but the most extreme environments
Apr 13 16:15:26 <Reedy_Boy> that is a very good overclock by any standard, doubling the speed
Apr 13 16:15:26 <Wegg> :-)
Apr 13 16:15:37 <Reedy_Boy> i think i may do my 2 later on then#
Apr 13 16:15:46 <Reedy_Boy> http://<your slug>/Management/package.cgi
Apr 13 16:15:46 <mwester> What is the problem with ipkg?
Apr 13 16:16:01 <Reedy_Boy> sorry, i meant ipkg-web
Apr 13 16:16:19 <Reedy_Boy> Wegg: can you visit http://<your slug>/Management/package.cgi again and post the error for us
Apr 13 16:16:47 <Wegg> The ipkg web frontend
Apr 13 16:16:47 <Wegg> Upgrade package list?
Apr 13 16:16:47 <Wegg> Sync package list with the repositories.
Apr 13 16:16:47 <Wegg> Package list
Apr 13 16:16:47 <Wegg> cat: /tmp/list: No such file or directory
Apr 13 16:16:47 <Wegg> task	Package	I-Ver	P-Ver	Comment	Delete
Apr 13 16:17:04 <Reedy_Boy> thats the problem
Apr 13 16:17:11 <Reedy_Boy> he and i have bash installed
Apr 13 16:17:16 <Reedy_Boy> mine was fine on v1.1
Apr 13 16:17:25 <Reedy_Boy> mwester: any ideas
Apr 13 16:17:27 <Reedy_Boy> ?
Apr 13 16:18:17 <mwester> Oh - ok.  I've never looked at that - you might like to add a bug to the bug database (link on the wiki) and whomever is the maintainer of the ipkg web frontend will see it.
Apr 13 16:18:49 <mwester> I just find "ipkg install packagename" works well
Apr 13 16:19:05 <Reedy_Boy> yeah, its just useful
Apr 13 16:19:18 <Reedy_Boy> ill post it wegg
Apr 13 16:19:29 <Wegg> you go girl
Apr 13 16:19:36 <Wegg> I think I'm done playing with my slug
Apr 13 16:19:36 <Reedy_Boy> ..
Apr 13 16:19:44 <Wegg> does what I need it to do
Apr 13 16:20:04 <mwester> Put it to work then!
Apr 13 16:20:07 <mwester> :)
Apr 13 16:20:16 * Wegg powers down his 80Watt Linux Samba server and goes over to lick his 8Watt slug.
Apr 13 16:21:10 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 16:21:16 <mwester> Hehehe -- I have a slug with 2x250GB drives that replaced my bit Intel-based Samba server too -- it's on a shelf in a closet...
Apr 13 16:21:47 <Wegg> I'm going to put Windows back on mine and use it as another render slave.
Apr 13 16:21:57 <Wegg> It will be slow but. . . it'll work.
Apr 13 16:22:12 <Wegg> And I'll only have to use the 80 watts when I need it instead of all the damn time.
Apr 13 16:22:29 <mwester> Noise was my big objection - no fans on the NSLU2
Apr 13 16:22:43 <purefusion> Wegg, you working with 3D?
Apr 13 16:23:10 <Wegg> yea purefusion
Apr 13 16:23:15 <purefusion> sweet
Apr 13 16:23:28 <Wegg> www.eggington.net
Apr 13 16:23:44 <purefusion> you answered my next question, haha
Apr 13 16:25:40 <purefusion> I almost went into it myself, it was either that or web design and ended up starting my own web design business
Apr 13 16:25:59 <Wegg> I did my first "Hollywood" FX shot a few weeks back.
Apr 13 16:26:02 <Wegg> For Ghost Rider.
Apr 13 16:26:03 <purefusion> I do have training in Cinema 4D though
Apr 13 16:26:13 <purefusion> that's cool
Apr 13 16:27:42 <purefusion> a few years ago I built a dual Xeon 3.06 GHz workhorse for rendering but didn't end up using it, so I sold all the parts, haha
Apr 13 16:30:26 <Reedy_Boy> anyone any ideas how long it takes for the slug bug registration password to come through?
Apr 13 16:30:44 <Weg1> oops
Apr 13 16:31:11 <Reedy_Boy> ooops?
Apr 13 16:31:25 <purefusion> get kicked?
Apr 13 16:31:39 <Weg1> dunno
Apr 13 16:31:42 <purefusion> or accidentally closed the window?
Apr 13 16:32:00 <Weg1> I was fiddling with the router in the other room but. . . 
Apr 13 16:32:02 * Weg1 shrugs
Apr 13 16:32:10 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 16:32:16 <Reedy_Boy> your now called wegl
Apr 13 16:32:44 <purefusion> the irc server thinks wegg is still on
Apr 13 16:32:50 <Reedy_Boy> ah
Apr 13 16:32:59 <Reedy_Boy> well it didnt say he left
Apr 13 16:33:01 <Reedy_Boy> so yeah
Apr 13 16:33:01 <purefusion> so when he got back on, it wouldn't let him as wegg ;)
Apr 13 16:33:25 <Weg1> any of you know anything about printers?
Apr 13 16:33:30 <Reedy_Boy> yes
Apr 13 16:33:36 <Reedy_Boy> you can get colour and black and white
Apr 13 16:33:42 <Reedy_Boy> laser plotter inkjet...
Apr 13 16:33:42 <Weg1> I have a LaserJet 2100 that I just installed a Jetdirect card into.
Apr 13 16:33:46 <Reedy_Boy> right
Apr 13 16:33:47 <Weg1> Ooo your an expert!
Apr 13 16:33:54 <Reedy_Boy> LMAO
Apr 13 16:33:55 <Weg1> :-)
Apr 13 16:33:56 <Reedy_Boy> go on
Apr 13 16:34:06 <Reedy_Boy> slug bug registration - how long does password take to come through?
Apr 13 16:37:37 <Nimmit> you two still at it
Apr 13 16:37:46 <Reedy_Boy> lmao
Apr 13 16:37:47 <Nimmit> :)
Apr 13 16:37:51 <Reedy_Boy> we've been away and come back again
Apr 13 16:37:58 <Nimmit> ya
Apr 13 16:38:01 <Reedy_Boy> wegg tried to login via telnet as admin
Apr 13 16:38:08 <Reedy_Boy> and he's de underclocked it
Apr 13 16:38:09 <Weg1> SHUDDUP
Apr 13 16:38:13 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 16:38:31 * Weg1 is l33t
Apr 13 16:38:40 * Reedy_Boy pw3nd wegl
Apr 13 16:38:44 <Reedy_Boy> :P
Apr 13 16:39:04 * Reedy_Boy is teh ub3r
Apr 13 16:40:06 <Weg1> he he
Apr 13 16:40:54 <Reedy_Boy> anyway
Apr 13 16:41:01 <Reedy_Boy> laser and jetdirect
Apr 13 16:41:06 <Reedy_Boy> you were saying
Apr 13 16:41:15 <Reedy_Boy> Nimmit: Good sleep?
Apr 13 16:42:38 <Weg1> Yea I plugged it in but I thought it would show up on my network.
Apr 13 16:42:43 <Reedy_Boy> errm
Apr 13 16:42:45 <Weg1> but. . . I guess I need some drivers or something
Apr 13 16:42:47 <Reedy_Boy> you got DHCP?
Apr 13 16:42:59 <Weg1> yea
Apr 13 16:43:02 <Reedy_Boy> there'll be a tool to find out ethe IP i think
Apr 13 16:43:13 <Reedy_Boy> or just look at your dhcp and see if something new is there
Apr 13 16:43:16 <Weg1> I got it off ebay
Apr 13 16:43:16 <Reedy_Boy> then in windows
Apr 13 16:43:21 <Weg1> so. . . no CD
Apr 13 16:43:28 <Reedy_Boy> IP_192.168.0.2 or whatever
Apr 13 16:43:50 <Reedy_Boy> has it got commands on the pritner?
Apr 13 16:43:51 <Weg1> too friggen l33t for me. . . 
Apr 13 16:43:58 <Weg1> commands?
Apr 13 16:44:03 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 16:44:05 <Weg1> the printer has an on off button
Apr 13 16:44:13 <Reedy_Boy> http://www.cae.wisc.edu/site/public/?title=nt4jetdirect
Apr 13 16:44:14 <Weg1> it has a reset button. . . 
Apr 13 16:44:15 <Reedy_Boy> take a looksee
Apr 13 16:44:30 <Reedy_Boy> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpj05999
Apr 13 16:44:31 <Reedy_Boy> firmware
Apr 13 16:44:36 <Reedy_Boy> TELNET!
Apr 13 16:44:46 <Reedy_Boy> http://www.hp.com/go/webjetadmin
Apr 13 16:44:47 <Weg1> HP JetDirect 600N J3111A Print Server
Apr 13 16:44:51 <Reedy_Boy> Web jet admin software is what yo need
Apr 13 16:44:58 <Reedy_Boy> those hp links will do yo
Apr 13 16:45:26 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 16:45:30 <Reedy_Boy> wegg finally left
Apr 13 16:46:05 <Reedy_Boy> anywho
Apr 13 16:46:11 <Reedy_Boy> its the end of work
Apr 13 16:46:15 <Reedy_Boy> and time to go home
Apr 13 16:46:19 <Reedy_Boy> and take my slug home
Apr 13 16:46:23 <Reedy_Boy> so ill be on later
Apr 13 16:46:35 <Reedy_Boy> as i may decide to do my upgrade to 6.8
Apr 13 16:46:37 <Reedy_Boy> or maybe tommorow
Apr 13 16:46:40 <Reedy_Boy> cya!
Apr 13 16:47:23 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 16:47:54 <purefusion> Wegg, your work is indeed incredible :)
Apr 13 16:48:16 <Wegg> why thank you
Apr 13 16:48:21 <Reedy_Boy> byeee
Apr 13 16:48:24 <pahartik> Wegg: there are two kinds of printers... PostScript printers and toy printers... :)
Apr 13 16:48:25 <Wegg> bye
Apr 13 16:48:29 <purefusion> np, how long you been doing it?
Apr 13 16:48:53 <Wegg> since 1992
Apr 13 16:48:56 <Wegg> :-)
Apr 13 16:49:01 <purefusion> wow :)
Apr 13 16:49:27 <Wegg> I have to install this HP thing on all my workstations that need to see this printer?
Apr 13 16:49:29 <Wegg> thats lame. . . 
Apr 13 16:49:31 <Wegg> BOO!
Apr 13 16:49:37 <Reedy_Boy> i cant see that
Apr 13 16:49:41 <Reedy_Boy> just on one to config
Apr 13 16:49:47 <Reedy_Boy> then use windows printer setup
Apr 13 16:49:54 <Reedy_Boy> and for network use
Apr 13 16:49:58 <Reedy_Boy> IP_ipaddress
Apr 13 16:50:17 <Wegg> ok
Apr 13 16:50:20 <Reedy_Boy> i think
Apr 13 16:50:27 <Wegg> you got home quick.
Apr 13 16:50:32 <Reedy_Boy> i aint gone
Apr 13 16:50:37 <purefusion> when I networked my HP on my wife's computer, I had to reinstall the printer via the network, even though the printer was previously hooked up to mine. Fact of windows I suppose...
Apr 13 16:50:39 <Reedy_Boy> i got 45 mins or so with my dad
Apr 13 16:50:58 <Reedy_Boy> i will be back on here in an hour and a half or so!
Apr 13 16:51:22 <Reedy_Boy> im off now
Apr 13 16:51:26 <Reedy_Boy> look, ill disconnect
Apr 13 16:51:27 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 16:51:28 <Wegg> cya off
Apr 13 16:54:43 <Wegg> sheesh
Apr 13 16:54:50 <Wegg> I should have just gotten the generic print server
Apr 13 16:54:57 <Wegg> This HP thing is confusing.  :-(
Apr 13 16:55:43 * pahartik imagines crappy proprietary things
Apr 13 16:56:32 <Wegg> so I guess when you turn the printer on it gives itself a static IP address
Apr 13 16:56:41 <Wegg> And its up to you to guess what tha tis
Apr 13 16:56:47 <Wegg> that is
Apr 13 17:08:23 <Wegg> Holly crap. . . my printer has a web server?
Apr 13 17:19:23 <Nimmit> ?
Apr 13 17:19:40 <Nimmit> did you install cups?
Apr 13 17:21:02 * Wegg blinks
Apr 13 17:21:27 <Wegg> I am so lost
Apr 13 17:21:38 <Wegg> For some reason I just thought it'd show up.
Apr 13 17:38:09 <Wegg> sweet
Apr 13 17:38:13 <Wegg> figured it out
Apr 13 17:38:24 <Wegg> got rid of another machine that was always on
Apr 13 17:38:33 * Wegg powers down his print server
Apr 13 17:39:34 <Nimmit> Wegg, I did some reading about that port1 port2 thing
Apr 13 17:39:56 <Nimmit> appearently the new version (which I don't use) makes port 1 better for other stuff like printing or something
Apr 13 17:40:00 <Nimmit> but it doesn't really matter
Apr 13 17:40:08 <Wegg> ahh ic
Apr 13 17:41:27 <Wegg> so you run a print server through your slug?
Apr 13 17:44:46 <Wegg> I did a complete 180 on this slug thing
Apr 13 17:45:04 <Wegg> first impressions weren't so hot.
Apr 13 17:47:53 <Nimmit> I was upset when I first bought it also
Apr 13 17:48:14 <Nimmit> the FTP server on it would not allow you to upload, the web server was just the list of files in the web control
Apr 13 17:48:16 <Nimmit> it was all gay
Apr 13 17:49:03 <Nimmit> yep, I print from my slug and it works great
Apr 13 17:49:18 <Nimmit> it's better than depending on one of my workstations that might be shutdown from time to time
Apr 13 17:51:12 <Wegg> If I had a USB printer thats probably what I would have done.
Apr 13 17:51:18 <Wegg> But this JetDirect has worked out.
Apr 13 17:52:06 <Nimmit> well, my printer was parallel
Apr 13 17:52:18 <Nimmit> I bought a a converter cable off of ebay
Apr 13 17:52:33 <Nimmit> *- 1 a
Apr 13 17:52:44 <Wegg> OOooOo
Apr 13 17:52:51 <Nimmit> paid 99cents for the cable and 9.45 for shipping
Apr 13 17:52:57 <Wegg> lol
Apr 13 17:53:08 <Wegg> it probably had a 99 cent stamp on the packaging
Apr 13 17:53:10 <Nimmit> $20 though bought new at walmart
Apr 13 17:53:18 <Nimmit> it costed only about $2 for them
Apr 13 17:53:24 <Nimmit> I still saved $10
Apr 13 17:53:24 <Wegg> /m enods
Apr 13 17:53:28 * Wegg nods
Apr 13 17:53:35 <Wegg> ebay is. . . kinda odd
Apr 13 17:53:39 <Nimmit> the cable was new also
Apr 13 17:53:47 <Nimmit> I saw one person the other day selling a flash drive
Apr 13 17:53:50 <Nimmit> $75 shipping
Apr 13 17:54:10 <Nimmit> that's against ebay's rules though
Apr 13 17:54:17 <Nimmit> so if you bought it, you would not have to pay that
Apr 13 17:54:49 <Nimmit> http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-shipping.html
Apr 13 17:55:17 <Nimmit> "Listing a DVD with a shipping and handling charge of $25 for standard shipping is considered excessive shipping and handling."
Apr 13 17:56:00 <purefusion> yeah, but they'd prolly give you negative feedback
Apr 13 17:56:17 <purefusion> there are some losers out there that are like that
Apr 13 17:56:18 <Nimmit> well, no
Apr 13 17:56:29 <Nimmit> they can, but it wouldn't show up on your score
Apr 13 17:56:40 <Nimmit> only person who would be able to see it is you
Apr 13 17:56:40 <purefusion> how so?
Apr 13 17:56:54 <Nimmit> it works the same way when you buy something off someone but they never send it to you
Apr 13 17:57:01 <Nimmit> you can leave a negative feedback against them
Apr 13 17:57:04 <Nimmit> and they can for you also
Apr 13 17:57:10 <Nimmit> but the one they leave you will not show up
Apr 13 17:57:26 <purefusion> interesting, haven't come across that before
Apr 13 17:57:30 <Nimmit> I almost did
Apr 13 17:57:43 <Nimmit> had a buyer who took like 2 weeks and hadn't paid
Apr 13 17:58:26 <Nimmit> that's how I know how that works
Apr 13 17:58:37 <Nimmit> cause I did a lot of reading to see what I had to do with that buyer
Apr 13 17:58:55 <Nimmit> he paid though once I opened the unpaid dispute
Apr 13 17:59:07 <Nimmit> he paid like minutes after I opened it actually
Apr 13 17:59:19 <Wegg> I bid on something and later found out it wasn't what I needed.
Apr 13 17:59:28 <Wegg> I tried everything I could to get in contact with the seller
Apr 13 17:59:48 <Wegg> I won the bid and THEN the guy e-mails me.
Apr 13 18:00:02 <Wegg> I had to just tell him I didn't need it and why didn't he return my e-mails?
Apr 13 18:01:43 <purefusion> I bought some Adobe software on ebay once, when I got it, it was an educational version, yet the page said 'full retail version' not academic. Fortunately the seller did take it back, it was still unopened... but yet another thing to look out for. I gotta make sure the listing says 'commercial version' on it so I can use it for my business.
Apr 13 18:03:22 <Wegg> I have actually had my dad purchase edu products for me and then I upgrade them to the "full" version with a major discount.
Apr 13 18:03:30 <Wegg> I did that with Avid Liquid
Apr 13 18:03:40 <Wegg> And the Adobe Creative Suite.
Apr 13 18:03:49 <Wegg> Saves you thousands and your still "legit".
Apr 13 18:04:14 <purefusion> I've heard it both ways, I guess I'd just rather 'steer clear'
Apr 13 18:05:17 <purefusion> Creative Suite was the software I got that was educational... the seller tried to convince me that it was okay to use commercially...
Apr 13 18:07:50 <purefusion> how do you upgrade them to full anyway? I know you can't upgrade to a new full version. At least that's the case with Macromedia
Apr 13 18:10:23 <Wegg> their product cycle is so fast that I just waited till a new version came out.
Apr 13 18:10:37 <Wegg> With the new version they have "upgrade from edu" prices and I just did it that way.
Apr 13 18:10:46 <Wegg> It just sat in a box for a year or so.
Apr 13 18:10:54 <purefusion> hmm
Apr 13 18:11:06 <Wegg> hard to pay full price for things.
Apr 13 18:11:16 <Wegg> I'm always looking for a deal that still works within their rules.
Apr 13 18:11:25 <purefusion> for sure, especially when you get into those 3D programs
Apr 13 18:11:38 <Wegg> yea but they have all dropped their prices considerably.
Apr 13 18:11:55 <Wegg> But even them. . . you need to take advantage of their "pre-order upgrade specials"
Apr 13 18:12:23 <Wegg> Wish I could buy that version of Windows they sell in Asia.
Apr 13 18:12:36 <Wegg> I hate having to fork over $100 for my render machines that just sit there.
Apr 13 18:12:57 <purefusion> what's the deal with Asia's windows?
Apr 13 18:12:57 <Wegg> they run one little program.
Apr 13 18:13:11 <Wegg> Not the 50 gabillion Microsoft installs for you.
Apr 13 18:13:23 <Wegg> They have a $50 one that limits the number of programs you can run at once.
Apr 13 18:13:29 <Wegg> its a crippled windows basicly.
Apr 13 18:13:32 <Wegg> basically. 
Apr 13 18:14:02 <Wegg> but legit
Apr 13 18:14:04 <Wegg> for their market
Apr 13 18:14:19 <Wegg> but 99% of those buggers just buy it at the corner store for $.99
Apr 13 18:15:39 <purefusion> interesting
Apr 13 18:17:14 <Reedy_Boy> Hey
Apr 13 18:18:13 <Reedy_Boy> Hey
Apr 13 18:24:04 <Reedy_Boy> anyone any idea why i aint got my slugbug password in 2 hours
Apr 13 18:24:05 <Reedy_Boy> ?
Apr 13 18:31:03 <evildevil> Reedy_Boy, seems like the slugbug machine is (still) broken
Apr 13 18:31:51 <Reedy_Boy> ah ok
Apr 13 18:31:53 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 18:32:14 <Reedy_Boy> i'll wait to report the ipkg-web bug then
Apr 13 18:35:32 <evildevil> ipkg-web? the new web-interface for ipkg-packages?
Apr 13 18:35:46 <evildevil> you could add it to the ipkg-web wiki page
Apr 13 18:36:06 <Reedy_Boy> ah ok
Apr 13 18:36:13 <Reedy_Boy> yeah, v2 is broken
Apr 13 18:36:17 <Reedy_Boy> 1.1 was fine
Apr 13 18:36:29 <evildevil> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/Ipkg-web
Apr 13 18:36:40 <Reedy_Boy> thanks
Apr 13 18:36:45 <Reedy_Boy> saved me having to look
Apr 13 18:41:15 <Reedy_Boy> whats the best way of going 5.5 to v6.8 ?
Apr 13 18:44:49 <Mika_> Morning :)
Apr 13 18:44:53 <Reedy_Boy> morning
Apr 13 18:45:15 <Mika_> wb caplink811-log 
Apr 13 18:45:43 <caplink811-log> hi Mika_ :)
Apr 13 18:46:14 <Reedy_Boy> is there a version of the readme for 6.8 that is properly form,atted
Apr 13 18:46:20 <Reedy_Boy> *formatted?
Apr 13 18:46:24 <Mika_> How is life ? girlfrind back home ?
Apr 13 18:48:40 <caplink811-log> Reedy_Boy,  it is properly formated, if you use a *x machine or something like textpad
Apr 13 18:48:56 <Reedy_Boy> windows...
Apr 13 18:49:04 <Reedy_Boy> oh
Apr 13 18:49:15 <Reedy_Boy> if you dont open in the simplest text editor its fine
Apr 13 18:49:44 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Apr 13 18:49:45 <Reedy_Boy> brb
Apr 13 18:50:04 <caplink811-log> Mika_,  nice, enjoyed my free days, tomorrow it is a public holiday here in germany, a yes, the girl is back, and on the phone, as usual
Apr 13 18:50:55 <caplink811-log> Mika_,  you are fine, too?
Apr 13 18:51:18 <Mika_> hehehe let her use skype it is beter for the bill ... and yes you are free in germany ... i have to work tomorow ..but i am free monday 
Apr 13 18:52:20 <caplink811-log> so, we're too. and we have a voice flat, so it is ok, and it let me have time to things with disturbtion ;)
Apr 13 18:54:06 <Mika_> Ok i know you are free tomonday .. 
Apr 13 18:55:06 <Mika_> i am off for a wile..play a dart game online
Apr 13 18:56:44 <caplink811-log> online sounds like "without beer"
Apr 13 18:57:38 <Mika_> Yes you are right .. or i must get one from the freezer
Apr 13 19:01:26 <Mika_> What is happen with your conection caplink811_log 
Apr 13 19:06:23 <caplink811_log> that was the usual termination at 20:50, but i don't dropped miau, so after the reconnect miau got the second nick
Apr 13 19:07:49 <Reedy_Boy> hwy
Apr 13 19:07:52 <Reedy_Boy> hey
Apr 13 19:08:09 <Reedy_Boy> Would i best be re slinging and then upgrading and then unslinging again?
Apr 13 19:09:20 <Mika_> Ok i was think it happen by night that drop off
Apr 13 19:12:23 <caplink811_log> Mika_,  all 24 hours, and around 9 o'clock i'm usually at the computer and can see, that the things goes well
Apr 13 19:17:00 <Mika_> caplink811_log: i understand but i was think you did normal at midnight ..
Apr 13 19:19:23 <Mika_> i am happy that mine provider dont do that
Apr 13 19:23:41 <Reedy_Boy> if i just put my unslung slug into upgrade mode and then update the firmware
Apr 13 19:23:44 <Reedy_Boy> will that work?
Apr 13 19:24:25 <caplink811_log> Reedy_Boy,  why it shoudln't?
Apr 13 19:24:42 <Reedy_Boy> i was meaning, its not going to cause any problems going from 5.5 to 6.8
Apr 13 19:25:14 <caplink811_log> 6.8 will replace 5.5 in the flash
Apr 13 19:25:26 <Reedy_Boy> ok
Apr 13 19:25:58 <Reedy_Boy> can i use the web tool to put it into upgrade mode?
Apr 13 19:26:06 <caplink811_log> but you should read this http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/UpgradingToUnslung6
Apr 13 19:26:17 <Reedy_Boy> is that the same as pressing the reset button while turning it on?
Apr 13 19:26:38 <caplink811_log> when the page is in 5.5 available, then yes you can
Apr 13 19:27:01 <Reedy_Boy> ok
Apr 13 19:30:07 <Reedy_Boy> i think it may just be easier to do a clean one
Apr 13 19:31:06 <Reedy_Boy> if i put it in upgrade mode and then just put a standard linksys firmware on
Apr 13 19:31:18 <Reedy_Boy> would that just put it back to like a standard one?
Apr 13 19:31:41 <caplink811_log> yes, each firmware flash replace the other firmware completly
Apr 13 19:31:59 <Reedy_Boy> so then it isn't unslung
Apr 13 19:32:12 <Reedy_Boy> i think that may be easier to start from the beggining
Apr 13 19:33:03 <Reedy_Boy> what would i need to do with my memory stick?
Apr 13 19:33:10 <Reedy_Boy> ie to put it back in to a 'clean state'
Apr 13 19:35:21 <Reedy_Boy> oh, just format in windows
Apr 13 19:44:59 <caplink811_log> Reedy_Boy,  sure, that is the point
Apr 13 19:47:54 <Reedy_Boy> yup
Apr 13 19:49:45 <Reedy_Boy> Yay
Apr 13 19:49:46 <Reedy_Boy> Version: V2.3R63-uNSLUng-6.8-beta
Apr 13 19:53:41 <Reedy_Boy> do i need to format it ext 3 before unslinging?
Apr 13 19:55:27 <Reedy_Boy> ill do it tommorow when ive got more time
Apr 13 19:55:32 <Reedy_Boy> thanks for the help caplink!
Apr 13 19:55:44 <jmir_po> Hi, all... I am newbie here...just installed unslung 5 beta... it works fine
Apr 13 19:56:18 <Wegg> cool.
Apr 13 19:56:45 <jmir_po> is there anyone with some experience in CUPS (printing from Nslu2)?
Apr 13 19:57:14 <Wegg> Nimmit has it working
Apr 13 19:57:20 * Wegg pokes Nimmit
Apr 13 19:57:49 <Wegg> I got my slug yesterday so I'm pretty noob.  :-)
Apr 13 19:57:54 <Wegg> Mine is overclocked though
Apr 13 19:57:56 <Wegg> VROOOM!
Apr 13 19:57:57 <Wegg> :-)
Apr 13 19:58:20 <caplink811_log> jmir_po,  printing from, or printing to/on the slug?
Apr 13 19:58:58 <jmir_po> Hi, caplink! :) I want to print from the slug...
Apr 13 19:59:15 <caplink811_log> well, that works
Apr 13 19:59:25 <jmir_po> I've 2 laptops and an wireless router/web acess...
Apr 13 20:00:10 <jmir_po> ...so the idea is to share a printer connected to my home network using the slug
Apr 13 20:00:42 <caplink811_log> k, so you want to print on the slug
Apr 13 20:01:06 <jmir_po> yes... that's what I meant, sorry...
Apr 13 20:01:27 <caplink811_log> np
Apr 13 20:02:13 <caplink811_log> have you read this http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddPrinter ?
Apr 13 20:03:36 <jmir_po> thank you... I'll read it...but it's good to know that it works for someone here... I don't have experience with linux, etc
Apr 13 20:04:23 <caplink811_log> you should follow the article above, but that should only work for non-gdi printers
Apr 13 20:05:11 <jmir_po> I've got an old HP 840C Deskjet... do you know soethg about these printers?
Apr 13 20:05:31 <caplink811_log> no, sorry
Apr 13 20:05:49 <caplink811_log> but when it is an old printer, then it could work
Apr 13 20:05:52 <jmir_po> I'll try anyway... just for the fun...:)
Apr 13 20:06:23 <Wegg> I have seen USB print servers on ebay for less than $20
Apr 13 20:06:42 <jmir_po> I've managed to install and configure virtual hosting with Thttpd and mt-daap... it works ok...
Apr 13 20:06:51 <Wegg> Probably save you a lot of time and effort.
Apr 13 20:08:00 <jmir_po> yes... I've been looking here (Lisbon, Portugal) for an unexpensive printer with an ethernet port... but they're still pretty expensive
Apr 13 20:08:16 <jmir_po> so... the slug would be a nice alternative
Apr 13 20:08:19 <Wegg> no these things plug into any USB printer
Apr 13 20:09:15 <Wegg> http://cgi.ebay.com/Netgear-PS121-4MB-Cache-USB-Printer-Mini-Print-Server_W0QQitemZ9712066642QQcategoryZ1246QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Apr 13 20:09:51 <jmir_po> ok... thanks... I'll check it...:)
Apr 13 20:10:19 <Wegg> I wish I had gotten one of those.
Apr 13 20:10:40 <Wegg> I went with the special HP JetDirect one that . . . when the printer dies. . . is useless.
Apr 13 20:10:49 <Wegg> With this one it can migrate from printer to printer.
Apr 13 20:11:43 <jmir_po> Wegg: what kind of applications do you have intalled in your slug?
Apr 13 20:11:53 <Wegg> Nadda
Apr 13 20:11:57 <Wegg> :-)
Apr 13 20:12:18 <Wegg> Reedy_Boy was going to walk me through how to get that web package manager to work.
Apr 13 20:12:30 <Wegg> But. . . I really don't need anything other than the file sharing.
Apr 13 20:12:31 <jmir_po> ok, sorry... I've read above.. you've just got your slug
Apr 13 20:12:53 <Wegg> its just that the default Linksys firmware/software was pretty crap.
Apr 13 20:13:05 <Wegg> needed something a little better.
Apr 13 20:13:16 <Wegg> I was about to send it back till I discovered you guys
Apr 13 20:13:20 <jmir_po> it is! You should try out the Thttpd with unslung... much better
Apr 13 20:13:33 <Wegg> whats that do?
Apr 13 20:14:15 <jmir_po> well, it's a webserver... which is 'built-in' in Linksys firmware anyway...
Apr 13 20:14:52 <Wegg> I already have a good webserver solution.
Apr 13 20:14:54 <jmir_po> after you unslung/unsling... you just can install the ipkg package and configure it... it'seasy
Apr 13 20:15:11 <Wegg> BlueQuartz
Apr 13 20:15:22 <Wegg> The old Cobalt Cube software from Sun.
Apr 13 20:15:35 <Wegg> Makes Linux Noobs like me feel better about hosting.  :-)
Apr 13 20:15:39 <jmir_po> after that you can have a webserver which works no matter you have your computer online or not...
Apr 13 20:15:55 <Wegg> http://bluequartz.org/
Apr 13 20:16:13 <jmir_po> I heard about that...
Apr 13 20:16:18 <Wegg> http://www.nuonce.net/
Apr 13 20:16:22 <Wegg> Thats the distro I used.
Apr 13 20:16:25 <Wegg> VERY happy with it.
Apr 13 20:16:41 <Wegg> I hate hacking httpd.conf files. . . 
Apr 13 20:17:03 <Wegg> This slaps an easy web gui over it all that makes a lot more sense than Webmin.
Apr 13 20:17:06 <Wegg> Its for noobs.  :-)
Apr 13 20:17:39 <jmir_po> the difference is: you can have a site (or several) available 7/24 without the need of a computer... all you need is the slug and an usb HDisk
Apr 13 20:19:15 <jmir_po> being a teacher this helps me to keep all the stuff to my students always available online at any time... and at home
Apr 13 20:20:31 <Wegg> My sites tend to need a good CPU in the server.
Apr 13 20:20:33 <Wegg> www.eggprops.com
Apr 13 20:20:46 <Wegg> Its Slow as hell and it has a 500mhz processor in it.
Apr 13 20:20:52 <Wegg> I need to upgrade that BADLY.
Apr 13 20:22:12 <Wegg> No. . . I'm happy with my Slug just being a file server.
Apr 13 20:22:19 <Wegg> saving me gobs of money on electricity
Apr 13 20:22:23 <jmir_po> well, I've just tested my site (it has a few heavy pdf files with graphics, etc) and it loads ok from the slug... but I'm experienced in that
Apr 13 20:22:24 <Wegg> 8 Watts vs. 80
Apr 13 20:23:38 <jmir_po> that's precisely the point... that small thing (the slug) replaces a computer as a true file server and a lot more
Apr 13 20:24:18 * Wegg nods
Apr 13 20:24:31 <jmir_po> you can use it as well as a 'music server' ... I mean if use Itunes
Apr 13 20:24:42 <Wegg> Wish it performed faster on file transfers but. . . its as good as I had hoped.
Apr 13 20:25:13 <Wegg> I use iTunes but. . . I don't really use it enough to go making a dedicated music server.
Apr 13 20:25:28 <Wegg> I just upload stuff to my iPod and listen.
Apr 13 20:26:38 <caplink811_log> you can use a upnp server, such as twonkyvision too
Apr 13 20:26:41 <jmir_po> just install the soft package, then copy your music mp3 etc to an Hd attached to the slug.. and that's it... it can upload and read from Ipos as well...
Apr 13 20:26:51 <jmir_po> including the playlists
Apr 13 20:28:38 <jmir_po> twonkyvision... yes... I'll give it a try when I'll get some time...
Apr 13 20:30:43 <jmir_po> Wegg: I must go now... thank you and wish u all the best with your new slug... try to unslung.. it's fun! :)
Apr 13 20:30:58 <Wegg> Mine is unslugged.
Apr 13 20:31:06 <Wegg> Just. . . don't have anything to put on it.  :-)
Apr 13 20:31:39 <jmir_po> what's the point of having it unslung if you do not install nothing... :) ?
Apr 13 20:32:28 <Wegg> he he
Apr 13 20:32:35 <Wegg> runs way better now.
Apr 13 20:32:42 <Wegg> Don't know why
Apr 13 20:33:16 <Wegg> I think the Linksys Firmware was pretty messed up.  And it let me re-format the drive to ext3 which I think performs much better than the NTFS that the poor thing was trying to use before.
Apr 13 20:33:21 <ByronT> actually, unslung should be just a tad bit faster (I would think) due to more memory free
Apr 13 20:33:46 <jmir_po> if it's the speed your main concern.. than try an older firmware version... maybe R25 or 26... I remember I runned faster when I first installed
Apr 13 20:34:05 <purefusion> has anyone attempted to increase their memory somehow? That'd be interesting
Apr 13 20:34:27 <ByronT> a few have - FatSlugs they're called
Apr 13 20:34:36 <purefusion> cool
Apr 13 20:35:08 <Wegg> I noticed a MASSIVE speed gain by de-underclocking it.
Apr 13 20:35:17 <purefusion> wegg, noticable difference in transferring larger files now that you overclocked?
Apr 13 20:35:30 <Wegg> yes purefusion
Apr 13 20:35:42 <purefusion> what's the TX rate you're getting now?
Apr 13 20:35:49 <Wegg> But even more for the lots and lots of little ones.
Apr 13 20:35:54 <Wegg> let me test it.
Apr 13 20:36:23 <purefusion> k
Apr 13 20:37:21 <jmir_po> there's a page about that, which explains how to de-underclock... http://www.lika.be/content/view/41/30/
Apr 13 20:37:26 <Wegg> 40% of 100Mbps.  So. . . no faster.
Apr 13 20:37:40 <Wegg> But its the little files that were really slowing it down.
Apr 13 20:37:49 <Wegg> thousands and thousands of little 100k files.
Apr 13 20:37:59 <purefusion> hmmm, still pretty cool then
Apr 13 20:38:11 * Wegg nods
Apr 13 20:38:30 <Wegg> Wonder why Linksys haven't made new versions of the slug
Apr 13 20:38:41 <Wegg> this has been out for over two years hasn't it?
Apr 13 20:38:51 <purefusion> prolly because enough people are buying to to unsling it :-D
Apr 13 20:39:46 <purefusion> buying it*
Apr 13 20:39:52 <jmir_po> wegg: how did you de-underclocked the slug... was it by openinge the case and taking any fuse (as explained on the page online)?
Apr 13 20:40:21 <caplink811_log> a resistor it is
Apr 13 20:40:22 <Wegg> yup
Apr 13 20:40:45 <jmir_po> ok! Impressive!
Apr 13 20:41:03 <Wegg> just read the instructions on how to open it. . . and then got a little hobby knife and scraped away at one corner of the . . . thinger. . . till it lifted up.
Apr 13 20:41:07 <Wegg> then I just pulled it off.
Apr 13 20:41:10 <purefusion> who has the guts (or genius) to figure out which resistor makes it faster without any adverse effects?! lol
Apr 13 20:41:11 <Wegg> I took my time.
Apr 13 20:41:18 <Wegg> scared I'd cut through something important.  :-)
Apr 13 20:41:26 <Wegg> I know!
Apr 13 20:41:52 <purefusion> so crazy...
Apr 13 20:43:36 <Wegg> all it would take is someone familiar with the chip to know what goes where though
Apr 13 20:43:45 <Wegg> And I'm sure Intel would have it all well documented.
Apr 13 20:44:00 <Wegg> Kinda creapy having "Intel Inside" on one of my "computers"
Apr 13 20:44:02 <Wegg> but. . . 
Apr 13 20:44:03 * Wegg shrugs
Apr 13 20:44:12 <jmir_po> gess I am going to buy one 2d slug and try that... here they cost about 100 euro... how much does it cost in the US (I assume you're there)?
Apr 13 20:44:34 <Wegg> I got mine from Amazon for under $70
Apr 13 20:44:37 <purefusion> lol
Apr 13 20:44:56 <purefusion> I got mine from AZ for 80
Apr 13 20:45:07 <jmir_po> well... that's an idea... I'll check that.. thanks :)
Apr 13 20:45:14 <purefusion> 84.99 with a promo code
Apr 13 20:45:19 <purefusion> for 5 bucks off
Apr 13 20:45:44 <jmir_po> you're talking about us dollars aren't u?
Apr 13 20:45:52 <Wegg> yea
Apr 13 20:46:15 <jmir_po> so, this means that the slug is much expensiver here in Europe...
Apr 13 20:46:38 <Wegg> Not THAT much more
Apr 13 20:46:59 <purefusion> amazon's price on this has always been bouncy. Originally I saw it on there for 74.99, then it was 84.99, you say you got it for 70, now it's 82.99
Apr 13 20:47:31 <Wegg> I drove up the price.  :-)
Apr 13 20:47:46 <purefusion> haha, retail is 190 though, so that's still nice
Apr 13 20:48:48 <Wegg> I think if people were to do the math on the cost of running a full dedicated file server. . . these little Slugs would be much more popular.
Apr 13 20:49:03 <Wegg> And the electric companies would be sad.  :-)
Apr 13 20:49:32 <purefusion> haha
Apr 13 20:50:32 <purefusion> well, enjoy it!
Apr 13 20:51:07 <Wegg> already am.  :-)
Apr 13 20:51:19 <purefusion> I'm setting mine up this weekend
Apr 13 20:51:23 <jmir_po> the only really nice thing I'd like in a newer slug's version would be wireless capabilities...
Apr 13 20:51:47 <purefusion> taking off now, see ya!
Apr 13 20:51:51 <Wegg> don't they make wireless routers already with USB ports for NAS?
Apr 13 20:51:53 <caplink811_log> jmir_po,  you may have a look at http://www.ebug-europe.com/bug/results.asp?PageNo=SEARCH&searchterm=nslu2&availfilter=0&hideimages=0&catalog=Hardware&selFilterManufacturer=&catname=NETZW%2DSTORAGE , as far as i known, they sell inernational
Apr 13 20:52:13 <jmir_po> ok... 
Apr 13 20:52:42 <caplink811_log> with transfer charge, it is around 92¤
Apr 13 20:54:48 <jmir_po> ok... see u soon... have a nice easter weekend! 
Apr 13 20:55:35 <caplink811_log> you too.. for the logs ;)
Apr 13 21:09:18 <Wegg> Freaks me out when people read logs of what I say
Apr 13 21:09:37 <Wegg> Wish I could somehow post what I want to say and now have it be "logable"
Apr 13 21:10:12 <caplink811_log> just do a /join #whateveryouwant
Apr 13 21:10:31 <Wegg> he he
Apr 13 21:10:47 <Wegg> I like people to read what I say AS I'm saying it.
Apr 13 21:10:56 <Wegg> but the next day. . . it sounds dumb.  :-)
Apr 13 21:13:37 <Wegg> Its like people who hate the way their voices sound.
Apr 13 21:13:52 <Wegg> Whenever I read something I wrote a year or so ago. . . I sound like a real wanker.  :-)
Apr 13 21:13:53 <Wegg> he he
Apr 13 21:39:37 <Nimmit> have you installed stuff yet Wegg?
Apr 13 21:40:08 <Nimmit> one of the first thing I installed, after ssh, was nano
Apr 13 21:40:11 <Nimmit> I don't like vi
Apr 13 21:58:30 <Wegg> Can I install BitchX?
Apr 13 22:05:27 <caplink811_log> Wegg,  why not ? it is in the feeds....
Apr 13 22:11:19 <Lunar_Lamp> hmm
Apr 13 22:11:42 <Wegg> it is?
Apr 13 22:11:46 <Wegg> how do I do it?
Apr 13 22:11:54 <Lunar_Lamp> 4months since i last was able to get some time with my slug - now i have no idea how to control the we git!  managed to ssh in using putty, but that's as far as i have gotten so far, heh
Apr 13 22:21:04 <Wegg> I hope I don't have to touch mine for years
Apr 13 22:21:11 <Lunar_Lamp> hehe
Apr 13 22:21:20 <Lunar_Lamp> well i was halfway through setting mine up when i had to leave
Apr 13 22:21:25 <Lunar_Lamp> so now i have to work out what i had done
Apr 13 22:21:29 <Lunar_Lamp> and what i have left to do
Apr 13 22:21:37 <Lunar_Lamp> all i want it to do is simple file serving realy
Apr 13 22:21:56 <Lunar_Lamp> (so i can get the files from anywhere in the world)
Apr 13 22:22:16 <Wegg> nothing simple about that if your worried about security
Apr 13 22:22:16 <Lunar_Lamp> unfortunately - i know little about what i need to do atm
Apr 13 22:22:48 <Lunar_Lamp> surely simple ssh access only would be secure enough, with a decent password
Apr 13 22:23:05 <Lunar_Lamp> or am i going to have to think of something more exotic?
Apr 13 22:23:06 <Lunar_Lamp> :-(
Apr 13 22:23:21 <caplink811_log> Wegg,  ipkg update: ipkg install bitchx should do it for you, but maybe, that you want visite www.nslu2-linux.org first
Apr 13 22:23:28 <Wegg> no that'd be fine.  But the whole "get to my files from the web browser" freaks me out.
Apr 13 22:23:41 <Lunar_Lamp> lol
Apr 13 22:24:21 <Lunar_Lamp> i just spent 10mins trying to work out why "ipkg update" wasnt working
Apr 13 22:24:25 <Lunar_Lamp> turns out i cant type
Apr 13 22:24:34 <Lunar_Lamp> tis always a typo eh?
Apr 13 22:25:27 <Lunar_Lamp> caplink811_log - am i missing something obvious on the website - as i cant find a guide as to how to get a file server set up via access from the net?
Apr 13 22:26:45 <caplink811_log> define fileserver, pls
Apr 13 22:26:50 <Lunar_Lamp> sorry
Apr 13 22:27:04 <Wegg> Ok. . .  I did the ipkg install bitcx and. . . it installed something.
Apr 13 22:27:13 <Wegg> But when I type BitchX it doesn't do anything.
Apr 13 22:27:23 <Lunar_Lamp> i just want to be able to upload and download files (mainly for myself, but possible other passworded users) from wherever i am
Apr 13 22:27:29 <caplink811_log> which service/protocol you plan to use
Apr 13 22:27:57 <Lunar_Lamp> i;m not sure - tbh i don't know enough (anything?) to make a decision
Apr 13 22:28:31 <Lunar_Lamp> i would prefer to be able to do it via web-browser interface - so that i could do it from any public access pc rather than needing any sofware (eg putty)
Apr 13 22:28:40 <caplink811_log> so you should thinking about ssh/scp, if you are in a windows environment, have a look at putty and winscp
Apr 13 22:29:27 <caplink811_log> i won't prefer smb, it is a real unsecure thing
Apr 13 22:29:56 <Lunar_Lamp> well, i'm on mixed OS environment really
Apr 13 22:30:05 <Lunar_Lamp> though biased towards windows
Apr 13 22:31:54 * Wegg is used to typing /man <program> to figure out how to use stuff.  :-/
Apr 13 22:32:10 <caplink811_log> imho, putty and winscp s a good thing, you could set up a port != 22 for that, which has the benefit that script kiddies usually don't scan those ports
Apr 13 22:32:51 <Lunar_Lamp> another problem though is that the slug prob won't have a static ip on the internet
Apr 13 22:33:06 <Lunar_Lamp> do i have to use something like dyndns to sort that out?
Apr 13 22:33:24 <caplink811_log> so dyndns, or an equal service is the right choice for you
Apr 13 22:34:21 <caplink811_log> there is a page at the wiki about that, if your router isn't able to handle this
Apr 13 22:34:32 <caplink811_log> ~wiki
Apr 13 22:35:02 <caplink811_log> capbot , hi
Apr 13 22:35:02 <capbot> hey
Apr 13 22:35:10 <caplink811_log> ~nslu2-wiki
Apr 13 22:35:10 <capbot> hmm... nslu2-wiki is the short-hand way of saying "Have a look at the NSLU2-Linux Wiki at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/".
Apr 13 22:35:14 <caplink811_log> ah, ok
Apr 13 22:36:04 * caplink811_log heading to bed now, have a good night
Apr 13 22:39:13 <caplink811_log> Wegg,  yes, that is one way, but some things in an unslung environment won't work as usual, and described in a man page, e.g. divertion scripts..
Apr 13 22:39:31 <purefusion> rather than setting my slug up with a flash drive, is it possible to set it up with a small ext3 partition and the rest can be something else, like NTFS or Fat?
Apr 13 22:40:31 <caplink811_log> purefusion,  yes it is, but the only howto that i known is writen in german, are you familar with that language ?
Apr 13 22:40:43 <purefusion> er nope
Apr 13 22:41:24 <purefusion> can I have the link anyway? :)
Apr 13 22:41:37 <caplink811_log> sorry about that, but just in time, no chance for that, maybe that i've find a spare time tomorrow, to translate it
Apr 13 22:43:25 <caplink811_log> yes, just on moment
Apr 13 22:43:25 <purefusion> I might throw it through the google translator for starters just to take a peek
Apr 13 22:43:36 <caplink811_log> http://wiki.nslu2-info.de/pmwiki.php/HowTo/Unslung55AndNTFS it is, but it is under construction
Apr 13 22:44:02 <purefusion> thank you cap'n ;)
Apr 13 22:44:15 <caplink811_log> np
Apr 13 22:48:23 <purefusion> I'm in EST (eastern us daylight)
Apr 14 02:32:10 <MoonPie2000> Can someone help me with new version 6 - i want to hide and or change name of default share - currently it is HDD_1_1_1
Apr 14 02:36:31 <Nimmit> hey
Apr 14 02:36:45 <Nimmit> you can do that with smb.conf
Apr 14 02:36:59 <MoonPie2000> when i try that it resets after a reboot
Apr 14 02:37:09 <Nimmit> one sec
Apr 14 02:38:43 <Nimmit> okay
Apr 14 02:38:46 <MoonPie2000> I am assuming you are talking about the browsable=no option
Apr 14 02:39:06 <Nimmit> no
Apr 14 02:39:19 <Nimmit> are you using the version of samba that came with it
Apr 14 02:39:32 <MoonPie2000> yes
Apr 14 02:40:25 <Nimmit> is smb.conf in /etc/samba?
Apr 14 02:40:29 <MoonPie2000> i tried to edit the /etc/samba/smb.conf and add browsable=no but it wont 'stick'
Apr 14 02:40:35 <Nimmit> okay
Apr 14 02:41:16 <Nimmit> cd /unslung 
Apr 14 02:41:25 <MoonPie2000> k
Apr 14 02:41:40 <Nimmit> nano (or vi depending on your editor) rc.samba
Apr 14 02:41:50 <Nimmit> so: nano rc.samba
Apr 14 02:42:01 <Nimmit> and paste this in there: http://ww2.jwjkp.com/diversion.txt
Apr 14 02:43:03 <Nimmit> now, as for the setting you are looking for
Apr 14 02:43:04 <Nimmit> one sec
Apr 14 02:44:07 <Nimmit> okay, you were right
Apr 14 02:44:09 <Nimmit> I'm sorry
Apr 14 02:44:25 <Nimmit> browseable (S)
Apr 14 02:44:25 <Nimmit>     This controls whether this share is seen in the list of available shares in a net view and in the browse list.
Apr 14 02:44:25 <Nimmit>     Default: browseable = yes 
Apr 14 02:44:39 <Nimmit> so: browseable = no
Apr 14 02:44:54 <Nimmit> set it, save it, restart and test it
Apr 14 02:45:13 <MoonPie2000> so the diversion will create a backup but will it restore the backup copy?
Apr 14 02:46:25 <Nimmit> it will make the settings survive a reboot
Apr 14 02:46:40 <MoonPie2000> k i will try - thanks
Apr 14 02:47:20 <Nimmit> Diversion script
Apr 14 02:47:20 <Nimmit> You will find that the smb.conf file does stick and revert to orginal during a turn off/turn on... You have to set a diversion script in /unslung Create a file rc.samba to include the below 
Apr 14 02:47:35 <Nimmit> which is what I had you do
Apr 14 02:48:31 <Nimmit> just so you know, I am using this same method and it works
Apr 14 02:50:32 <MoonPie2000> kewl
Apr 14 02:51:05 <Nimmit> worked?
Apr 14 03:07:15 <MoonPie2000> no
Apr 14 03:08:13 <MoonPie2000> do i just need to save to smb.conf then restart or do i need to save to smb.conf.orig also
Apr 14 03:37:02 <Nimmit> try editing both of them
Apr 14 03:39:52 <Nimmit> MoonPie2000
Apr 14 03:39:54 <Nimmit> try this then
Apr 14 03:39:54 <Nimmit> cd /opt/etc/samba
Apr 14 03:39:54 <Nimmit> rm smb.conf
Apr 14 03:39:54 <Nimmit> rm smbpasswd
Apr 14 03:39:54 <Nimmit> cp /share/hdd/conf/share/smb.conf .
Apr 14 03:39:54 <Nimmit> cp /share/hdd/conf/share/smbpasswd .
Apr 14 03:46:06 <MoonPie2000> i got it to work by changing smb.conf in /usr/local
Apr 14 03:46:28 <Nimmit> cool
Apr 14 03:46:55 <MoonPie2000> Do you know how to get rid of printer and fax icon?
Apr 14 03:47:15 <Nimmit> in what
Apr 14 03:47:15 <Nimmit> ?
Apr 14 03:48:42 <MoonPie2000> when i navigate to root of nslu2 in windows i get a printer and fax folder that shows up - is there a smb.conf switch to disable this.
Apr 14 03:50:07 <MoonPie2000> or do you know how to rename default share name - currently i have a ntfs volume that defaults to HDD_1_1_1?
Apr 14 03:50:09 <Nimmit> hmm, windows I think puts them there
Apr 14 03:50:38 <Nimmit> let me check on the printer thing real quick
Apr 14 03:50:40 <MoonPie2000> oh that sucks o.k. that makes sense becuase every once in awhile it wont appear
Apr 14 03:50:45 <MoonPie2000> o.k.
Apr 14 03:51:21 <Nimmit> ya, I think that's just a windows thing
Apr 14 03:51:37 <Nimmit> your share info, including the names
Apr 14 03:51:39 <Nimmit> are in smb.conf
Apr 14 03:51:43 <Nimmit> look at the very bottom
Apr 14 03:52:52 <Nimmit> you should just make mappings to your shares that way you don't even really have to explore it
Apr 14 03:56:07 <MoonPie2000> thanks again - sorry for all the silly questions but I am a linux newbie - i am trying to learn
Apr 14 03:56:43 <Nimmit> did you find that share name in there?
Apr 14 03:57:14 <Nimmit> you could always update samba and install SWAT
Apr 14 03:57:31 <Nimmit> it has a nice interface imo to edit all this stuff
Apr 14 03:59:49 <MoonPie2000> i actaully did see that option and considered it - thought i would try the 'command line' way first then go to the GUI front end after I understood it better.
Apr 14 04:01:08 <MoonPie2000> i guess i have seen to many windows only engineers that dont understand the underpinnings of how it works and dont want to be a gui only guy like them. ;-)
Apr 14 04:01:09 <Nimmit> I know a lot of people who know the commands like to use the commands...Personally, I would rather use a web control if I know them or not
Apr 14 04:02:51 <MoonPie2000> i agree i do enjoy the gui but only after i understand what it is doing that way i can get outta any mistakes that i might make - not that i make any. lol
Apr 14 05:16:12 <MoonPie2000> So does anyone know how to change the default share name HDD_1_1_1 to something diffent?
Apr 14 05:23:30 <Nimmit> .
Apr 14 05:23:40 <Nimmit> I already told you how
Apr 14 05:24:11 <Nimmit> open smb.conf
Apr 14 05:24:19 <Nimmit> find the config section for that share and rename it there
Apr 14 05:24:26 <Nimmit> it will most likely be at the very end
Apr 14 05:24:40 <Nimmit> or close to it
Apr 14 05:25:50 <MoonPie2000> o.k. sorry i thought we were talking about hiding only
Apr 14 05:26:02 <MoonPie2000> i will try it tomorrow as i am going to sleep now. thanks
Apr 14 05:26:04 <Nimmit> ah
Apr 14 05:26:07 <Nimmit> k
Apr 14 05:26:13 <Nimmit> just so you know
Apr 14 05:26:20 <Nimmit> you will have to restart samba once you make the change
Apr 14 05:26:49 <MoonPie2000> k thanks l8r
Apr 14 07:49:39 <Reedy_Boy> Morning
Apr 14 07:49:50 <Reedy_Boy> Am i best putting my flash disk to unsling to on my 2nd port?
Apr 14 07:50:19 <Reedy_Boy> as im reading the docs saying if you want a usb hub it has to be on the first
Apr 14 07:50:45 <Reedy_Boy> 'Rule #1: The root drive must be connected to USB Port 2'
Apr 14 07:50:50 <Reedy_Boy> That answer that one
Apr 14 07:54:27 <Reedy_Boy> knowing me i'd end up with natively formatted disk aswell!
Apr 14 08:00:37 <Reedy_Boy> use port 2
Apr 14 08:16:49 <Reedy_Boy> w00!
Apr 14 08:17:01 <Reedy_Boy> fully unslung and divert on telnet and bash sorted
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