**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 16 02:59:56 2006
Jun 16 15:12:11 <hld> holla
Jun 16 17:31:04 <deadcat_> sdf
Jun 16 20:39:41 <zeng> greetings...
Jun 16 20:42:37 <caplink811_log> morning...
Jun 16 20:43:40 <l0c4lh0st> Hey, someone knows if I can use the uNSLUng ipkg's on DebianSlug?
Jun 16 20:43:54 <caplink811_log> zeng,  maybe, that #nslu2-german is a nice playground, too
Jun 16 20:43:56 <l0c4lh0st> I found an uNSLUng ipkg for Apache and I would like to install that on DebianSlug.
Jun 16 20:44:13 <zeng> looking for portmap for powerpc ...
Jun 16 20:45:01 <caplink811_log> l0c4lh0st,  isn't apt-get install apache a much better option?
Jun 16 20:45:21 <zeng> nfs-utils from optware failed to install since portmap is not available...
Jun 16 20:45:27 <caplink811_log> zeng,  nslu2 is a arm architecture, not a powerpc
Jun 16 20:46:00 <caplink811_log> zeng,  have yo tried ipkg install portmap?
Jun 16 20:46:37 <zeng> i see... thx. caplink811_log, it seems I should visit ds101-linux, sorry for the noise...
Jun 16 20:47:28 <caplink811_log> zeng,  sorry, but i don't know, that optware is available for powerpc architecture, too
Jun 16 20:47:35 <zeng> bye...
Jun 16 21:00:22 <deadcat_> when i shutdown the slug. does the power go off? via shutdown -h now
Jun 16 21:03:13 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, yes
Jun 16 21:04:13 <deadcat_> nicenice
Jun 16 21:04:20 <deadcat_> anyone gonna be a linuxworld expo this year?
Jun 16 21:04:29 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, you might have to edit /etc/inittab though (ctrlaltdel)
Jun 16 21:04:38 <deadcat_> when i saw the slug logo on the website i thought to myself it looked really familiar (=.
Jun 16 21:05:01 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: ctrlaltdel to have it power down?
Jun 16 21:05:36 <EvilDevil> uhm... sorry.. this only applies if you press the power button. 
Jun 16 21:06:01 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: cool. i might want taht too (=
Jun 16 21:06:06 <EvilDevil> (default action on pressing the power button is rebooting)
Jun 16 21:06:15 <deadcat_> can you give me the ctrlaltdel line in inittab?
Jun 16 21:06:22 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: ah.. ok. cool
Jun 16 21:06:23 <EvilDevil> # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed.
Jun 16 21:06:23 <EvilDevil> ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -h now
Jun 16 21:06:29 <deadcat_> nice
Jun 16 21:06:46 <deadcat_> this is unslug/debianslug ??
Jun 16 21:07:23 <EvilDevil> debianslug. but it should apply to openslug/ucslugc/any other slugos variant too
Jun 16 21:07:39 <deadcat_> cool.
Jun 16 21:08:14 <deadcat_> my friend helped me order on already. once i get that i will return this current one back to frys eletronic in my local store
Jun 16 21:08:43 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: i also want to add the grsecurity patch to the kernel. but i dont know how that would work. in terms of compiling the new kernel
Jun 16 21:10:18 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, have fun ;) and take a look at the Master Makefile (see nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile )
Jun 16 21:10:35 <deadcat_> oh that thing (=
Jun 16 21:11:38 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: i assume you using 2.6.16-1? what happen when you apt-get install a new kernel? do you have to run that debian-sda1.bin file via upslug2 again? to write to flash?
Jun 16 21:12:08 <EvilDevil> i'm not using Debian/NSLU2. i'm using DebianSlug
Jun 16 21:12:23 <deadcat_> i am confuse with the 2
Jun 16 21:12:31 <EvilDevil> and i'm not very familiar with Debian/NSLU2
Jun 16 21:12:44 <deadcat_> i think i've been reading debianslug, but this debian/nslu2 confuses me
Jun 16 21:14:24 <EvilDevil> Debian/NSLU2 is an somewhat official version of Debian for the NSLU2 (official Debian-Kernel and so on) while DebianSlug is based on the SlugOS sources. In fact, it is a SlugOS variant (Little Endian OpenSlug chrooted to a debian installation)
Jun 16 21:15:40 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: if i follow http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ , will this be debian/nslu2 or debianslug?
Jun 16 21:16:02 <EvilDevil> debian/nslu2
Jun 16 21:16:25 <deadcat_> ah
Jun 16 21:16:55 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: hmm. debianslug sounds better ya?
Jun 16 21:17:29 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, it is more flexible and has more recent kernel patches included. 
Jun 16 21:17:51 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: ok. i better find another howto then. (=
Jun 16 21:18:09 <EvilDevil> www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/Bootstrap
Jun 16 21:18:24 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: thanks
Jun 16 21:19:09 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: i am gonna use it as web/ssh and more, should i go with stable for now? and hope the etch will release at end of year? (=
Jun 16 21:21:12 <EvilDevil> i'm running mine with sid without problems. there are issues with inconsistent updates from time to time, but nothing serious. I think etch will do fine
Jun 16 21:22:41 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: ok. i am currently hosting the website/ssh/cups and stuff on my sid x86 desktop.
Jun 16 21:37:53 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: debootstrapping doesnt ask me the questions like the debian-installer does right?
Jun 16 21:38:51 <EvilDevil> yep. you have to type it by yourself ;) but you can use other options 
Jun 16 21:39:14 <deadcat_> ah
Jun 16 21:40:03 <deadcat_> so is there gonna be a slug booth at linuxworld this aug in SF?
Jun 16 21:40:52 <EvilDevil> uhm... no clue. it's *kind of* far away ;)
Jun 16 21:41:07 <deadcat_> hehe.
Jun 16 21:41:46 <deadcat_> i was looking at the gallery on the website and there are like 4 pictures from LWCE2005
Jun 16 21:42:33 <EvilDevil> http://www.linuxworldexpo.de/linux_messe.php?ID=16&STEP=&lang=en ;)
Jun 16 21:43:31 <EvilDevil> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO06A
Jun 16 21:43:53 <l0c4lh0st> «caplink811_log» l0c4lh0st, isn't apt-get install apache a much better option? <--- apt-get doesn't work...
Jun 16 21:45:33 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: the bootstrap debianslug doesnt really tell me which firmware do i get to flash in order to start the process
Jun 16 21:45:59 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, at www.slug-firmware.net : SlugOs -> DebianSlug 3.10
Jun 16 21:46:28 <l0c4lh0st> Anyone know why apt-get isn't working then?
Jun 16 21:46:36 <l0c4lh0st> caplink811_log says it should work.
Jun 16 21:46:52 <EvilDevil> *lol* http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/images/other/12SF06A_floorplan.pdf  (note the title ("W:\Event Services\CAD Floor Plan....dwg")
Jun 16 21:47:14 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, ?
Jun 16 21:47:56 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: ah thanks
Jun 16 21:48:08 <deadcat_> l0c4lh0st: it definately should.
Jun 16 21:48:43 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: hehe. you mean the W: ? (=
Jun 16 21:49:26 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, yes... LinuxWorld and they're using Autocad for Windows
Jun 16 21:49:28 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: the only linux part of linxuworld is the word linux and the .org section. some exhibitors run windows in their booth
Jun 16 21:50:02 <l0c4lh0st> It doesn't work...
Jun 16 21:50:05 <l0c4lh0st> That's the problem
Jun 16 21:50:09 <l0c4lh0st> Says it can't find it.
Jun 16 21:50:20 <deadcat_> l0c4lh0st: whereis apt-get, you sure you have a debian box?
Jun 16 21:50:22 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st are you sure you did the bootstrap?
Jun 16 21:50:48 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: the kernel from bootstrap has the ixp400 as well right?
Jun 16 21:51:17 <l0c4lh0st> gonna check all that tomorrow... now going to sleep :D
Jun 16 21:51:21 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, you mean the debianslug-image? yes
Jun 16 21:51:22 <l0c4lh0st> Thanks for your help again :)!
Jun 16 21:52:38 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: i cant wait (=... damn...
Jun 16 21:52:53 <deadcat_> l0c4lh0st: you cant sleep now.. must fix problem
Jun 16 21:53:15 <l0c4lh0st> haha you're damn right
Jun 16 21:53:22 * l0c4lh0st boots the slu
Jun 16 21:53:23 <l0c4lh0st> g
Jun 16 21:53:31 <deadcat_> (=
Jun 16 21:53:46 <l0c4lh0st> oh right, I now have a fresh slug with DebianSlug 3.10
Jun 16 21:53:57 <l0c4lh0st> (only uploaded the firmware and that's it for now)
Jun 16 21:54:08 <EvilDevil> then there's no apt-get 
Jun 16 21:54:11 <l0c4lh0st> apt-get should work in this state, right?
Jun 16 21:54:13 <deadcat_> the firmware is basically the kernel right?
Jun 16 21:54:13 <l0c4lh0st> oh
Jun 16 21:54:28 <l0c4lh0st> I had a 3.8 slug (fully configured etc.) with no apt-get.
Jun 16 21:54:29 <EvilDevil> you have to debootstrap it first
Jun 16 21:54:37 <l0c4lh0st> Then I just uploaded this firmware to it
Jun 16 21:55:13 <EvilDevil> and since then it doesn't work anymore? l0c4lh0st 
Jun 16 21:55:22 <deadcat_> i cut the black part of the resistor to overclock with a nail clipper, thats fine right? since i dont have a soldering tool
Jun 16 21:55:36 <l0c4lh0st> When I go to it via SSH, I get this screen saying I need to run "turnup init", or "turnup preserve" or restore, etc.
Jun 16 21:55:42 <l0c4lh0st> I can now debootstrap it?
Jun 16 21:56:01 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, or just use turnup without -i
Jun 16 21:56:01 <l0c4lh0st> Or do I need to run turnup ... first?
Jun 16 21:56:35 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/Bootstrap#upgrade
Jun 16 21:57:30 <EvilDevil> (only the very bottom of the page) starting from "turnup disk /dev/sda1 -t ext3" 
Jun 16 21:57:32 <l0c4lh0st> ack no
Jun 16 21:57:46 <l0c4lh0st> This is like..... only DebianSlug 3.10 uploaded and that's it
Jun 16 21:57:52 <l0c4lh0st> After the upload I turned it off
Jun 16 21:57:56 <l0c4lh0st> It's no upgrade
Jun 16 21:58:18 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, but you said you already had a fully configured debianslug 3.8 system
Jun 16 21:58:55 <l0c4lh0st> Yeah, but I flashed the 3.10 DebianSlug over it
Jun 16 21:59:00 <l0c4lh0st> I wanted to have a "new" clean system
Jun 16 21:59:10 <l0c4lh0st> So I don't need to keep any settings,
Jun 16 21:59:48 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, but you didn't erase the disk?
Jun 16 22:00:13 <l0c4lh0st> The disk is (now) not connected
Jun 16 22:00:19 <l0c4lh0st> I didn't erase the USB stick yet
Jun 16 22:00:33 <l0c4lh0st> I can format it under Windows, would that help?
Jun 16 22:01:04 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, btw, the debianslug(firmware) settings are stored in a part of the flash rom that will not be overwritten when you flash a new image
Jun 16 22:01:31 <l0c4lh0st> Oh crap
Jun 16 22:01:40 <l0c4lh0st> How do I erase like... EVERYTHING?
Jun 16 22:02:23 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ResetSysConf
Jun 16 22:02:35 <l0c4lh0st> Ah, right, I did that before.
Jun 16 22:02:40 <l0c4lh0st> Will do that first :)
Jun 16 22:02:59 <EvilDevil> turnup init does basically the same job
Jun 16 22:03:53 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: once i flashed with debianslug-3.10-beta.bin, ssh or telnet in, bootstrap, run the debian-installer, install package, username, passwd. it will reboot and debian will start right? or theres another step to do at the end
Jun 16 22:04:26 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, there's no debian-installer in debianslug ;)
Jun 16 22:04:34 <l0c4lh0st> WAs about to say that too
Jun 16 22:04:42 <l0c4lh0st> There is a Debian installer in Debian/NSLU2
Jun 16 22:04:43 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: but you said i can run the installer.
Jun 16 22:04:54 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, where?
Jun 16 22:05:35 <deadcat_> nevermind then. (=
Jun 16 22:05:41 <l0c4lh0st> 14(deadcat_14): So I empty my USB stick, do that ResetSysConf, then flash the DebianSlug 3.10 image and then it works?
Jun 16 22:05:50 <l0c4lh0st> EvilDevil I meant
Jun 16 22:06:26 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, after doing the debootstrap: yes
Jun 16 22:06:50 <l0c4lh0st> The debootstrap comes after the flashing part, right?
Jun 16 22:06:54 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: after debootstrap and just reboot and we're in business eh (=
Jun 16 22:07:06 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, l0c4lh0st yes
Jun 16 22:07:14 <deadcat_> l0c4lh0st: when i get it working. i am gonna write a howto for dummies like us (=
Jun 16 22:07:34 <l0c4lh0st> :)
Jun 16 22:07:36 <l0c4lh0st> nice
Jun 16 22:07:49 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, i think the debootstrap howto on the wiki covers it pretty good
Jun 16 22:08:04 <l0c4lh0st> It's kinda confusing (but that could be me... I've got uNSLUng running, then DebianSlug, then switched to Debian/NSLU2 then back to DEbianSlug 3.10, etc.)
Jun 16 22:08:08 <EvilDevil> it's kind of copy'n'paste and changing some numbers
Jun 16 22:08:09 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: ya. but i mean the stuff that we have to do before and after. 
Jun 16 22:08:23 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, true :)
Jun 16 22:08:39 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: thats what gets me..
Jun 16 22:08:39 <l0c4lh0st> Oh and another question.... Is DebianSlug 3.10 unstable?
Jun 16 22:09:01 <deadcat_> l0c4lh0st: stable/testing/unstable its what sources.list you use
Jun 16 22:09:29 <l0c4lh0st> o_O
Jun 16 22:09:51 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, you can use sid/sarge/etch/gentoo/any other LE Arm based distro
Jun 16 22:10:04 <l0c4lh0st> Do I need to follow this step: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/Bootstrap#sarge or http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/Bootstrap#sid ?
Jun 16 22:10:46 <l0c4lh0st> for the debootstrap
Jun 16 22:10:49 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, depends on what distro you want to use
Jun 16 22:11:11 <l0c4lh0st> DebianSlug 3.10
Jun 16 22:11:25 <EvilDevil> i meant sid/sarge/etch
Jun 16 22:11:30 <l0c4lh0st> http://www.slug-firmware.net/s-dls.php I got the DebianSlug-3.10-beta-firmware.zip
Jun 16 22:11:40 <l0c4lh0st> Huh?
Jun 16 22:11:42 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: i just ssh root@ip into the slug. (=
Jun 16 22:11:45 <l0c4lh0st> I wanna run Debian on it
Jun 16 22:12:02 <EvilDevil> http://www.debian.org/releases/
Jun 16 22:12:19 <l0c4lh0st> DebianSlug I mean
Jun 16 22:12:53 <l0c4lh0st> okay I am totally confused now, heading to bed
Jun 16 22:13:00 <l0c4lh0st> Good night everyone and thanks for the help etc.
Jun 16 22:13:06 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, there are different version of debian (stable = sarge, testing = etch, unstable = sid)
Jun 16 22:13:42 <l0c4lh0st> OOH
Jun 16 22:13:48 <EvilDevil> and you have to follow the instructions for the version you want to use :)
Jun 16 22:13:49 <l0c4lh0st> lol
Jun 16 22:13:53 <deadcat_> just stick with testing, but switch testing with etch so when it goes stable, it will be stable instead of testing
Jun 16 22:13:55 <l0c4lh0st> I thought they were all different distros
Jun 16 22:14:25 <l0c4lh0st> So I follow the instructions for sarge.
Jun 16 22:14:39 <l0c4lh0st> Since I want to use DebianSlug 3.10 which is stable.
Jun 16 22:15:16 <l0c4lh0st> * potato is Debian 2.2
Jun 16 22:15:16 <l0c4lh0st> * slink is Debian 2.1
Jun 16 22:15:16 <l0c4lh0st> * hamm is Debian 2.0
Jun 16 22:15:16 <l0c4lh0st> * bo is Debian 1.3
Jun 16 22:15:16 <l0c4lh0st> * rex is Debian 1.2
Jun 16 22:15:16 <l0c4lh0st> * buzz is Debian 1.1
Jun 16 22:15:21 <l0c4lh0st> o_O Strange guys.
Jun 16 22:15:31 <l0c4lh0st> "Hi, I just released a potato!!!1"
Jun 16 22:16:00 <deadcat_> l0c4lh0st: the project leader used to work for pixar when toystory was being worked on
Jun 16 22:16:02 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, it's kind of unclear. you have to follow the instructions for sid but at some points of these instructions you have to exchange them with the sarge instructions
Jun 16 22:16:22 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, they're all toystory characters
Jun 16 22:16:27 <l0c4lh0st> lol
Jun 16 22:16:31 <l0c4lh0st> and omg @ EvilDevil
Jun 16 22:16:41 <l0c4lh0st> How do I know when I have to follow sid instructions and when not?
Jun 16 22:17:23 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: the debianslug flash.bin has some ipkg stuff in /etc, when i bootstrap debian. those will be gone and leave me with a real debian box right?
Jun 16 22:17:26 <EvilDevil> l0c4lh0st, take a look at the sarge instructions and i think it will be clear
Jun 16 22:17:34 <l0c4lh0st> OK
Jun 16 22:18:26 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, kind of. it's still booting the debianslug flashimage and chrooting to the usb-disk at some point of the boot-process
Jun 16 22:19:02 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: i see. but this goes for all the slug oses right? even debian/nslu2 and unslug right?
Jun 16 22:19:22 <l0c4lh0st> I'm going to look into that tomorrow.... SLEEPY NOW
Jun 16 22:19:31 <l0c4lh0st> Good night everyone & thanks again :)
Jun 16 22:21:52 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, nope. only the SlugOS variants. Debian/NSLU2 doesn't have a complete system in flash (IIRC), after flashing the debiannslu2-sda1.img, it's only able to boot from /dev/sda1
Jun 16 22:22:20 <EvilDevil> SlugOS = OpenSlug/DebianSlug/UcSlugC
Jun 16 22:24:33 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: how is upgrading kernel in debianslug vs debian/nslu2 then? via apt-get?
Jun 16 22:24:45 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, i have no clue 
Jun 16 22:24:48 <deadcat_> ah
Jun 16 22:29:01 <EvilDevil> i'm not sure how the sda1-flashimage is working. maybe it's loading the kernel from the usb-disk
Jun 16 22:29:57 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: maybe. but i emailed the guy from the cyrius howto and he said its more complicated than that.
Jun 16 22:31:35 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: if i use the debianslug-3.10, how would i go about compiling 3rd party drivers like zd1211 wireless and pwc webcam?
Jun 16 22:32:18 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, i think they *could* be in the debianslug feed (*.ipk)
Jun 16 22:33:30 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: ah.. but if we use .ipk stuff. thats kinna like running debian on top of slugOS, rather than debian gnu/linux,, know what i mean?
Jun 16 22:35:52 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, yeah, but as long as the official debian kernel does not incorporate all nslu2-linux patches - and therefore is incompatible with the debianslug kernel- you won't have another option
Jun 16 22:37:04 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: true.
Jun 16 22:38:03 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: what about this? linux-image-2.6.16-2-nslu2
Jun 16 22:38:38 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, it's incompatible with debianslug
Jun 16 22:38:54 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: thats for debian/nslu2 right?
Jun 16 22:40:29 <EvilDevil> "A follow-up to my kernel module question. Is the Debian Package:
Jun 16 22:40:29 <EvilDevil> 'linux-image-2.6.16-2-ixp4xx' found at:
Jun 16 22:40:29 <EvilDevil> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/linux-image-2.6.16-2-ixp4xx
Jun 16 22:40:30 <EvilDevil> compatible with DebianSlug 3.10? Specifically the kernel-modules?"
Jun 16 22:41:02 <EvilDevil> (Rod Whitby's answer): Probably not. Get kernel packages from the SlugOS feeds for SlugOS.
Jun 16 22:41:16 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: i think all those nslu2 stuff are for debian/nslu2 flash
Jun 16 22:43:02 <EvilDevil> deadcat_, i think so too
Jun 16 22:44:03 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: but the thing is that each time a new debian kernel comes out for nslu2, it will have to be flashed via the debian-sda1.bin .. i THINK
Jun 16 22:45:16 <EvilDevil> + the kernel-modules need to be exchanged / copied to the disk
Jun 16 22:46:25 <deadcat_> EvilDevil: ya. you mean when its installed via apt-get install linux-image-blah right?
Jun 16 22:48:08 <EvilDevil> yup
Jun 16 22:54:34 * EvilDevil is heading to his bed 
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