**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 19 02:59:57 2006 Jun 19 06:56:31 enterusername? Jun 19 06:56:44 What do you mean "getting this device back up"? Jun 19 09:20:07 l0c4lh0st: how did the turnup with memstick turn out? Jun 19 09:30:04 It's up & running now :) Jun 19 09:30:08 as ext2 instead of ext3 Jun 19 09:55:02 Hi. I'm trying to flash my slug with upslug2, but it doesn't seem to build. During ./configure I get: Jun 19 09:55:05 checking build system type... Invalid configuration `i686-pc-linux-': machine `i686-pc-linux' not recognized Jun 19 09:55:05 configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub i686-pc-linux- failed Jun 19 09:55:13 Anyone seen this? Jun 19 09:55:29 s/it/upslug2/ Jun 19 09:55:30 iwilcox meant: Anyone seen this? Jun 19 10:06:56 iwilcox, where did you get the upslug2 sources from? Jun 19 10:10:26 http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=116564&package_id=164337&release_id=373318 Jun 19 10:11:22 which OS are you using iwilcox , if you're on debian, there's already a pkg available for it Jun 19 10:11:48 http://pastebin.com/718072 Jun 19 10:11:51 Hmm, neat...I'm on Ubuntu, so that could work :) Jun 19 10:12:17 I seem to be missing the -gnu from that pastebin, no idea why Jun 19 10:12:22 iwilcox, i'm on ubuntu too and the configure did work perfectly Jun 19 10:12:35 different gcc versions probably Jun 19 10:12:50 i've had some troubles with gcc-4 stuff Jun 19 10:13:00 3.4 (if i remember well), worked fine though Jun 19 10:13:05 I think it's autoconf that's failing Jun 19 10:13:25 I'm definitely using the upslug2-11.tar.gz tarball from sourceforge. Jun 19 10:15:21 iwilcox, tried to supply a --build= option to configure? Jun 19 10:15:53 like ./configure --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu Jun 19 10:18:39 That got further, but it looks like I may just be being a fool..."build-essential" wasn't installed. Jun 19 10:19:05 oops ;) Jun 19 10:19:45 (Not that I entirely understand why that'd make host type detection fail) Jun 19 10:20:03 Cool, works now with no --build needed. Sorry to trouble you with my foolishness :) Jun 19 10:20:49 Cheers both. Jun 19 10:21:07 np :) Jun 19 10:21:33 Hmm. Problem #2 :) Jun 19 10:22:45 http://pastebin.com/718083 Jun 19 10:22:59 I get a zero-length Makefile. Jun 19 10:23:28 Wonder what I did wrong this time... Jun 19 10:24:29 i think this is caused by autoconf Jun 19 10:24:53 erm... automake Jun 19 10:25:22 what does automake --version say? Jun 19 10:28:27 http://pastebin.com/718086 Jun 19 10:28:43 there might be some problems with automake-1.9 Jun 19 10:32:20 or maybe you're missing some other packages Jun 19 10:34:59 anyone around who could help me with the high wait state problem i have while running rtorrent? Jun 19 10:35:21 i don't know much about lower level stuff on linux Jun 19 10:35:31 i'm using openslug 3.8 Jun 19 10:35:49 manually compiled rtorrent, works like a charm, but slows down the slug like hell Jun 19 10:35:57 didn't happen with debianslug (LE) Jun 19 10:36:17 bazz-, slow down by cpu-usage or ram-usage? Jun 19 10:36:28 well both :) Jun 19 10:37:18 load average: 4.48, 4.08, 4.06 Jun 19 10:37:23 evildevil: It can't be an issue with the auto*s installed on my machine, because upslug2's ./configure are outputs of automake, and ship in the tarball. Jun 19 10:37:24 and memory coming up Jun 19 10:37:50 Mem: 30300k total, 29468k used, 832k free, 188k buffers Jun 19 10:38:01 Swap: 361420k total, 12224k used, 349196k free, 14412k cached Jun 19 10:38:46 4753 aykut 18 0 33904 9628 8800 R 11.6 31.8 93:00.32 rtorrent Jun 19 10:39:11 the harddisk is going pretty much mad, rattling all the time Jun 19 10:39:32 while it's downloading is limited at 30k/s, and upload at 15k/s Jun 19 10:39:42 sounds like it's swapping allthe time Jun 19 10:39:44 s/it's/its Jun 19 10:40:19 hmm perhaps i should fatten my slug :] Jun 19 10:40:22 sed needs a trailing / Jun 19 10:40:31 s/needs/is needing/ Jun 19 10:40:31 evildevil meant: sed is needing a trailing / Jun 19 10:41:05 sure it needs it, but you got my point :p Jun 19 10:41:12 true Jun 19 10:41:50 but i'm not sure how i can help you with rtorrent Jun 19 10:42:12 i didn't have this before, while using debianslug LE Jun 19 10:42:28 i tried renice, to reprioritize processes, but didn't work Jun 19 10:43:12 (it worked, but it didn't have any influence on the wait state) Jun 19 10:43:48 68.6% wa atm Jun 19 10:44:08 -EIHATESED Jun 19 10:44:11 isn't there a way to limit the virtual memory usage ? Jun 19 10:44:24 :) Jun 19 10:44:33 (for a specific process that is) Jun 19 10:44:42 no clue iwilcox bazz- Jun 19 10:45:39 bazz-: What are you trying to limit the memory usage of? Jun 19 10:45:54 * iwilcox finds the offending sed line Jun 19 10:46:18 rtorrent Jun 19 10:46:28 So use ulimit :) Jun 19 10:46:40 i was just googling for that :) Jun 19 10:47:01 do you know the syntax for that? Jun 19 10:47:31 It'll be something like ulimit -m 1234 (1234 is in kB IIRC). You may need to wrap rtorrent in a script. Jun 19 10:47:43 If it's not already. Jun 19 10:48:12 ok Jun 19 10:48:26 thanks Jun 19 10:50:19 Ah, I see what autoconf is doing wrong here. Jun 19 10:59:30 PEBKAC Jun 19 11:00:33 what did you wrong this time? ;) Jun 19 11:01:40 While debugging the first problem I added some debug to config.sub, and it caused newlines in the i686-linux-gnu bit, which put multiline substitutions in the sed script like this: Jun 19 11:01:50 s,@build@, Jun 19 11:01:50 i686-pc-linux-gnu,;t t Jun 19 11:02:32 oops (reloaded) Jun 19 11:02:32 It would have all worked out fine if I'd just had build-essential installed in the first place. D'oh! Jun 19 11:03:23 One day I'll get this Ubuntu box back up to the comfy everything-installed state my Debian box was in *sigh* Jun 19 11:03:30 Anyway, onwards and upwards. Laters :) Jun 19 18:13:32 I've upgraded to Unslung6.8, and I can't seem to unsling to my disk. Can anyone help? Jun 19 18:13:46 Basically the unsling script doesn't seem to accept that /share/flash is a real disk Jun 19 18:14:01 But it looks ok in the web interface Jun 19 18:15:29 what does "mount" say Jun 19 18:15:52 can I paste it? Jun 19 18:16:06 or will I get kicked Jun 19 18:16:13 usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) Jun 19 18:16:13 ramfs on /dev type ramfs (rw) Jun 19 18:16:23 tsk there are some lines missing there Jun 19 18:16:25 ramfs on /var type ramfs (rw) Jun 19 18:16:27 1 sec Jun 19 18:16:29 none on /tmp type ramfs (rw) Jun 19 18:18:09 sorry pastebin is throwing up internal errors now Jun 19 18:18:24 /dev/mtdblock4 on / type jffs2 (rw) Jun 19 18:18:24 /proc on /proc type proc (rw) Jun 19 18:18:24 usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) Jun 19 18:18:24 /dev/mtdblock4 on /dev.state type jffs2 (rw) Jun 19 18:18:24 ramfs on /dev type ramfs (rw) Jun 19 18:18:26 /dev/mtdblock4 on /var.state type jffs2 (rw) Jun 19 18:18:29 ramfs on /var type ramfs (rw) Jun 19 18:18:31 none on /tmp type ramfs (rw) Jun 19 18:18:34 there, that's the lot Jun 19 18:19:03 well looks like it isn't mounted Jun 19 18:19:31 hm, but it's displaying as Formatted (EXT3) in the web interface Jun 19 18:19:48 maybe I'll format it to FAT32 and then reformat it through the web interface... Jun 19 18:19:55 This is one of the reasons I went from Unslung to OpenSLug Jun 19 18:20:08 I was a little intimidated by Openslug... Jun 19 18:20:12 Ahhh was it formatted by the web interface before? Jun 19 18:20:26 yes, in the older firmware... is reformatting not enough? Jun 19 18:20:47 hehe, openslug not too bad, if you know linux it is VERY easy, unslung is VERY annoying in some things, BUT it can be more user-friendly Jun 19 18:21:31 if it has been formatted by the web-interface before that is fine BUT if you have formatted again and NOT used the interface it is no longer valid with Unslung Jun 19 18:21:46 I know a little Linux... I do a lot of apache/PHP stuff at work. It's the initial setup that's a grey area for me Jun 19 18:21:53 What are the advantages of Openslug? Jun 19 18:22:56 Well the thing that really hacked me off was the re-direct scripts with Unslung, and the structure which is kinda linux but not really Jun 19 18:23:09 I really struggled with it Jun 19 18:23:53 while Openslug is basically Debian? Jun 19 18:24:44 debianslug and debian/nslu2 is debian Jun 19 18:24:57 what's openslug based on? Jun 19 18:25:33 still Debian I think Jun 19 18:25:56 no Jun 19 18:26:23 Unslung is great is you don't want to fiddle too much or don't know linux, but with everything being re-directed to /opt (so you have /opt/etc) keeping track of what config Jun 19 18:26:32 has changed and where gets confusing Jun 19 18:26:36 but i guess ipkg is SIMILAIR, bu you dont get the 16K+ packages as you would via debian Jun 19 18:27:19 i am using debian/nslu2, once i get the external hdd so i can start installing. Jun 19 18:27:57 has DEbian-Slug sorted out their install method? Jun 19 18:28:15 The attraction of unslung was really that ipkg seemed really simple Jun 19 18:28:23 last time I looked it was very fussy abt order of partitions and size of the paritions - thus why I am still using OpenSlug Jun 19 18:28:26 but maybe I should dip my toe in the water with something better Jun 19 18:28:40 ciaran, openslug uses ipkg as well Jun 19 18:29:06 so the advantage of openslug over unslung is that it's not relying on redirect scripts and so on?? Jun 19 18:29:06 its just if you go the debian route you got to substitute ipkg for apt-get Jun 19 18:29:14 hm Jun 19 18:29:41 yup BUT it comes at a cost, you loose the web-interface, but you can install SWAT to gain some of it back Jun 19 18:31:19 the web interface isnt' *that* useful, IMHO Jun 19 18:31:23 I'm happy enough with SHS Jun 19 18:31:25 er SSH Jun 19 18:31:54 does Openslug use the weird disk format that unslung relies on? Jun 19 18:32:05 I mean with the three partitions etc. Jun 19 18:32:32 if you don't want to then no, Jun 19 18:32:52 you can have just one partition IF you really wanted BUT there is an advantage to the three Jun 19 18:33:26 with a SWAP partition you have hte abitly to do more with it, having a DATA and OS-partition keeps OS and data separate, good for safety of data Jun 19 18:34:03 I was considering having an NTFS or FAT32 data partition Jun 19 18:34:07 just for portability Jun 19 18:34:17 is that possible Jun 19 18:34:23 Windows can read Ext2/3 there is a very good driver for it Jun 19 18:34:31 it can't write though, yeah? Jun 19 18:34:49 I was more thinking of my OSX laptop too - the only driver I found has bugs over USB Jun 19 18:34:56 it can write quite happily, I use it all the time (well all the time I was in windows - pre-slug) Jun 19 18:35:24 NTFS is a price you will have to pay for Unslung->OpenSLug Jun 19 18:35:44 The R/W module is not available for OpenSlug Jun 19 18:36:26 hmm Jun 19 18:36:36 decisions, decisions Jun 19 18:38:09 thanks for the advice, anyhow! Jun 19 19:09:29 mika_ :) Jun 19 19:09:54 capbot: :) Jun 19 20:00:37 lol Jun 19 20:01:18 finally got it ;) Jun 19 20:19:46 I've just installed Debian on my slug, and can't SSH in. It looks like it's booting up OK, but I can't be sure, and it doesn't respond to pings. Is there a clever way of debugging such things? Jun 19 20:54:29 iwilcox Jun 19 20:54:35 ping 192.168.1.77 Jun 19 20:54:38 Tried that already? Jun 19 21:16:16 Had a brainwave while cooking...think it's that Debian doesn't install module-init-tools unless you install a kernel Jun 19 21:25:09 ? Jun 19 21:25:14 Are you sure you're trying the right IP? Jun 19 21:25:25 Not that your slug gets an IP from DHCP, or has 192.168.1.77 Jun 19 21:39:05 l0c4lh0st: Twas definitely a matter of not having module-init-tools. A little debugging showed the ixp400_eth module failing to load, and installing that package fixed it. Jun 19 21:39:23 aah okay Jun 19 21:39:33 I'm not THAT experienced with the NSLU2 yet :) Jun 19 21:39:47 However, I finally got my webserver running yesterday, so I have a little experience now :) Jun 19 21:40:24 Sounds like you have plenty more than me :) Jun 19 21:40:42 What's the webserver gonna serve, and who to? Jun 19 21:45:35 * iwilcox grumbles...even with a de-underclocked slug, all the Debian things that say "Generating blah (this might take a while)" actually do take a while :) Jun 19 21:47:22 It's running Apache 2 + PHP 5 + MySQL 5 + PostgreSQL 8 + Samba Jun 19 21:47:27 Will be a developing server Jun 19 21:47:36 And what will you develop? Jun 19 21:47:38 Atleast not public (i.e. no real website will be server on it) Jun 19 21:47:51 I make scripts for work :) Jun 19 21:48:01 Taking work home with you? Jun 19 21:48:05 no Jun 19 21:48:07 I'm freelancer Jun 19 21:48:13 Ah, neat. Jun 19 21:48:17 And sick of uploading my stuff to my webserver when testing :P Jun 19 21:48:41 So I took my slug, flashed DebianSlug, configured Samba and a webserver :) Jun 19 21:48:49 Yeah, I hated that when I did web design and server admin Jun 19 21:49:29 yeah :) Jun 19 21:49:49 I was running a webserver on my own PC before... But I didn't use it that often, so I uninstalled it Jun 19 21:50:01 Now it's even a 24/7 server :) Jun 19 21:50:45 Mine's gonna serve iTunes to my SoundBridge. Versatile beasts, these slugs. Jun 19 21:50:47 And.. you are running? Jun 19 21:50:53 aah Jun 19 21:50:54 :) Jun 19 21:51:00 Yeah, they're awesome :D Jun 19 21:51:14 They should organize a slugmeeting Jun 19 21:51:21 where we make a datacenter with our slugs lol Jun 19 21:51:28 I enjoy showing them to non-geeks when they ask where my PC is. Jun 19 21:51:44 You got more than one? Jun 19 21:51:58 Yeah. The other's still in the box. Jun 19 21:52:10 2 iTunes servers? Jun 19 21:52:23 It'll probably be a firewall and fileserver and webserver and and and :) Jun 19 21:52:30 hehe Jun 19 21:52:39 "That's your PC? Where's the screen?" Jun 19 21:52:46 Oh yes, gotta install FTP on it Jun 19 21:54:10 Hmm, what's a good FTP server for Debian? Jun 19 21:54:54 Pass, I don't do FTP. Jun 19 21:55:49 scp and (NFS|samba) work better for me. Jun 19 21:56:08 And occasionally rsync. Spoilt for choices. Jun 19 21:56:17 heh, yeah, but the slug CAN run FTP... So, why not install it? lol Jun 19 21:56:38 The slug can do nuke sims...but I'd rather save the RAM :) Jun 19 21:58:17 l0c4lh0st, there was a "slugdaag" in .NL some weeks/months ago Jun 19 21:58:32 Really? Jun 19 21:58:49 I missed it :( Jun 19 21:59:07 Well I have my slug for quite a while, but I started with this webserver a week ago Jun 19 21:59:15 So... I'll be on the next "slugdag" :D Jun 19 21:59:29 http://www.nllgg.nl/bijeenkomsten_2006_slugdag Jun 19 22:01:16 cool Jun 19 22:09:40 Shit, linux is so easy Jun 19 22:09:47 I'm already done installing my FTP server lol Jun 20 02:16:07 hey all Jun 20 02:16:12 would u guys suggest debian-slug Jun 20 02:16:14 or gentoo-slug? Jun 20 02:16:26 gentooslug sounds like pain due to speed :S Jun 20 02:17:50 anyone? Jun 20 02:19:39 hello Jun 20 02:24:57 debianslug Jun 20 02:25:06 alright im donig it Jun 20 02:25:10 i have to return my previous openslug Jun 20 02:25:13 it was overheating Jun 20 02:25:20 :( Jun 20 02:25:22 damn Jun 20 02:25:28 ya i wanna see if it was a defect Jun 20 02:25:39 flash it back to default firmware? (= Jun 20 02:25:41 but i guessi wont be able to tell till later Jun 20 02:25:45 ya i flashed it back :) Jun 20 02:25:48 well atleast you overclocked it for them (= Jun 20 02:25:55 no i didnt overclock it :) Jun 20 02:25:58 o Jun 20 02:26:00 damn Jun 20 02:26:03 that would kill my warranty :) Jun 20 02:26:15 enterusername: they wont open it up. heheh. Jun 20 02:26:31 anyone have lvm working Jun 20 02:26:33 its so small. i cant even tell Jun 20 02:26:45 lvm is not suppose to work. Jun 20 02:26:51 atleast not if you use debian Jun 20 02:26:58 ya i couldn't get it working on openslug or debianlsug Jun 20 02:27:07 openslug sayus it cant find the device-mapper Jun 20 02:27:13 and debianslug lvm doesnt work Jun 20 02:27:31 enterusername: ya. the cyrius howto say dont use lvm at all Jun 20 02:28:21 cyrius im using the debootstrap method.. Jun 20 02:28:44 should i do the cyrius method instead? Jun 20 02:29:01 the cyrius seems easier since it runs the d-i Jun 20 02:29:13 i heard the patches aren't done on it Jun 20 02:29:23 well thats what it asys on the site Jun 20 02:29:32 and the debianslug seems to be using openslug's ipkg for some reason. Jun 20 02:29:38 hmm Jun 20 02:29:43 what patches? Jun 20 02:29:46 kernel patches Jun 20 02:30:11 2.6.16 is in unstable. Jun 20 02:30:25 hmm Jun 20 02:30:37 2.6.16 the whol ekernel or just openslug? Jun 20 02:31:01 linux-image-2.6.16 for debian Jun 20 02:31:15 oh hrm Jun 20 02:31:16 if you use debianslug, i think you are still using the openslug kernel. Jun 20 02:31:28 which is technically not a real debian machine. right? Jun 20 02:31:45 no Jun 20 02:31:50 debianslug i think uses a differnet kernel Jun 20 02:31:59 debian firmware 3.10 Jun 20 02:32:14 hrm maybe i should have done the installer ut the installer actually looks like more work :) Jun 20 02:32:26 http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/linux-image-2.6.16-2-nslu2 Jun 20 02:33:21 oh Jun 20 02:33:28 well on nslu2s site theres debian-firmware? Jun 20 02:34:55 lol they've even got debian etch on here :) Jun 20 02:34:59 but i think i need the installer for that Jun 20 02:35:17 i think the firmware is to allow the d-i to boot. and the debian-sda1.bin is to write to initrd i think Jun 20 02:35:34 hmm? Jun 20 02:35:44 hjmm Jun 20 02:36:07 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/Bootstra? Jun 20 02:36:30 you can bootstrap etch if you want. just replace the unstable with testing and so Jun 20 02:36:54 i heard etch is really unstable though Jun 20 02:36:55 :) Jun 20 02:37:00 nope Jun 20 02:37:02 no? Jun 20 02:37:04 oh ok Jun 20 02:37:04 they all stable. Jun 20 02:37:14 does etch have more packages? :) Jun 20 02:37:21 i wish i could use lvm :( Jun 20 02:37:24 stable is extremely stable, testing is very stable. unstable is pretty stable to me. Jun 20 02:37:38 my desktop and laptop is unstable and i rarely have problem Jun 20 02:38:21 ive gotta convert everything now to 2 different drives Jun 20 02:38:28 cuz my originakl sertup was lvm Jun 20 02:38:33 on a old 500mhz machien Jun 20 02:38:40 ah Jun 20 02:39:02 lol 2 drives into one Jun 20 02:39:11 back in the day when 120 and 250 were kinad expensive Jun 20 02:39:19 now u can pick up 250 for $80 bucks!! Jun 20 02:39:58 thats waht i was thinking (= Jun 20 02:40:02 frys? Jun 20 02:40:39 nah 2 years ago :) Jun 20 02:40:41 i got it Jun 20 02:41:05 anyway how many drives do u have on nslu2 Jun 20 02:41:07 no frys has a 250gig for $80. i am thinking of getting that. Jun 20 02:41:10 oh Jun 20 02:41:15 no Western Digital Jun 20 02:41:23 Canada Computers Jun 20 02:41:24 i dont have any.. i am still waiting for my enclosure to arrive. Jun 20 02:41:28 ah Jun 20 02:41:50 i only have the debian/nslu2 firmware in the slug (= Jun 20 02:41:58 oh Jun 20 02:42:00 why? Jun 20 02:42:05 the sole puorpose i bought it for was backups :) Jun 20 02:42:07 waiting for hdd and enclosure Jun 20 02:42:10 ahh Jun 20 02:42:18 i bought a couple cheap ones for 32 dollars Jun 20 02:42:21 they get kinadf hot though:S Jun 20 02:42:36 i use it for webserver, ssh server, print server, and much more. backup is part of what i want it to do Jun 20 02:42:43 how much ram does web server take up and ftp servers? Jun 20 02:42:48 hey u think nfs will work with it Jun 20 02:42:52 i am getting the vantec nexstar3 Jun 20 02:43:04 nfs will work fine. Jun 20 02:43:12 ya the linksys firmware kinda sucks :) Jun 20 02:43:22 So how hard was it to overclock it Jun 20 02:43:24 i am gonna use 512mb swap, web and ftp dont use that much mem Jun 20 02:43:27 u an hardware guy or is it easy Jun 20 02:43:45 hella easy. i use a nailclipper to take the resistor off (= Jun 20 02:43:57 and does overclocking make it hotter? Jun 20 02:43:58 its reall easy (= Jun 20 02:44:00 Nailclipper howd u do that Jun 20 02:44:03 nope Jun 20 02:44:16 just clipp off the resistor Jun 20 02:44:19 why is that extra resiter there anyhow Jun 20 02:44:22 no solder Jun 20 02:44:34 can u just pull it off with tweezers? Jun 20 02:44:36 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OverClockTheSlug Jun 20 02:44:47 tweezer should do it too. Jun 20 02:44:58 why is it there in the first place Jun 20 02:45:04 you just scratch off the black stuff and thats it Jun 20 02:45:28 no clue. maybe linksys dont want to give out all the power (= Jun 20 02:45:34 oh Jun 20 02:45:37 but it looks real small Jun 20 02:45:40 is that the actual size Jun 20 02:45:41 ;) Jun 20 02:45:48 its pretty small Jun 20 02:45:50 * EnterUserName is nervuos maybeill just see how it goes Jun 20 02:45:55 ya so it looks ahrd to get it Jun 20 02:45:56 erk get at Jun 20 02:45:57 so a tweezer might be too big. Jun 20 02:46:04 but u did it with nail clippers Jun 20 02:46:08 ya Jun 20 02:46:15 how bad is it not underclocked? Jun 20 02:46:18 since its sharp on the corners Jun 20 02:46:27 50% cpu diff (= Jun 20 02:46:36 hmm Jun 20 02:46:44 im only using for backup Jun 20 02:46:48 mainly and samba shares Jun 20 02:46:55 im pretty sure i dont need high power :) Jun 20 02:46:56 then forget it. you dont need to upgrade Jun 20 02:47:10 ill probably samba share it to a webserver Jun 20 02:47:15 instead of using my device :) Jun 20 02:47:41 deadcat; well i still need debian cuz i want some features Jun 20 02:47:44 like multiple drives Jun 20 02:47:55 and ext3 file systems adn mounting samba drives Jun 20 02:47:55 :) Jun 20 02:48:07 (= Jun 20 02:48:20 ill think about over clocking it while is ee performance :) Jun 20 02:48:25 ya Jun 20 02:48:47 do u have xgl on your linux system Jun 20 02:49:00 its pretty neat Jun 20 02:49:01 :) Jun 20 02:49:33 thats desktop now slug :D Jun 20 02:49:34 debian doesnt have it yet.. Jun 20 02:49:36 oh Jun 20 02:49:43 ya suse has it ;) Jun 20 02:49:53 and xgl is only nice if you use compiz right? Jun 20 02:49:56 yup Jun 20 02:50:01 so suse use gnome now? Jun 20 02:50:08 or compiz Jun 20 02:50:11 no Jun 20 02:50:12 u acn use kde Jun 20 02:50:19 i'm using kde with compiz :) Jun 20 02:50:19 kde+compiz eh? Jun 20 02:50:22 yup :p Jun 20 02:50:32 i dont like gnome too much Jun 20 02:50:36 ah. i use openbox. so no fancy stuff.. (= Jun 20 02:50:41 oh Jun 20 02:50:51 openbox whats that? Jun 20 02:50:56 better then xfce4/ Jun 20 02:50:57 window manager Jun 20 02:51:04 very lightweight Jun 20 02:51:22 http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060504_17499.jpg Jun 20 02:51:44 when the slug is ready. i dont have to use the desktop to host my website (= Jun 20 02:52:59 wide screen Jun 20 02:53:04 u going to add ram to it Jun 20 02:53:06 dual monitor Jun 20 02:53:06 i see sites on that Jun 20 02:53:19 but that probably is alot harder :) Jun 20 02:53:33 lol Jun 20 02:53:35 its not a desktop Jun 20 02:53:39 its an old 500mhz machine Jun 20 02:53:41 that i use :) Jun 20 02:53:54 i use it for router/samba/dhcp/firewall right now :) Jun 20 02:53:56 i only have a desktop 800mhz and my laptop Jun 20 02:54:17 and slug when i get the enclosure Jun 20 02:54:31 how much yer slug cost ya Jun 20 02:54:46 70$ USD on ebay Jun 20 02:54:52 60+10ship Jun 20 02:54:53 oh Jun 20 02:54:53 wow Jun 20 02:54:59 too $$? Jun 20 02:54:59 i paid 91 canadian Jun 20 02:55:03 pretty uch similiar to u: ) Jun 20 02:55:08 ah Jun 20 02:55:36 i am saving the UPC code so if it has rebate. i buy send my UPC, return back to store.. $$$$ Jun 20 02:55:45 liol Jun 20 02:55:51 i never do those rebates Jun 20 02:55:52 i did Jun 20 02:55:54 but too much trouble Jun 20 02:55:57 ya Jun 20 02:55:58 last time i tried i forgot something Jun 20 02:56:01 i hate rebates Jun 20 02:56:03 and they sentit back sayign Jun 20 02:56:06 "U forgot the UPC code Jun 20 02:56:10 and im PRETTY sure i sent it!! Jun 20 02:56:11 (= Jun 20 02:56:15 so i was like $$@##$@# it Jun 20 02:56:41 if my slug dies. i just buy new one from frys electronic and replace the board and return back (= Jun 20 02:56:59 huh Jun 20 02:57:09 nevermind Jun 20 02:57:09 what do u mean? Jun 20 02:57:14 nono i wanna now :) Jun 20 02:57:19 replace the board? Jun 20 02:57:27 oh i get it Jun 20 02:57:31 switch them Jun 20 02:57:31 ya Jun 20 02:57:33 ya Jun 20 02:57:37 and then get yer money back lol!! Jun 20 02:57:41 but not the case (= Jun 20 02:57:47 what Jun 20 02:57:51 just the board inside. Jun 20 02:57:54 how u do that Jun 20 02:57:57 they sell the boards/ Jun 20 02:58:02 open it up. Jun 20 02:58:03 r u a electronci guy or something? Jun 20 02:58:06 no Jun 20 02:58:23 you buy a new one, open both up, switch board, close them back, return the fucked up one. Jun 20 02:58:29 oh ok Jun 20 02:58:41 umm Jun 20 02:58:45 dont they have screw thingee's Jun 20 02:58:49 no Jun 20 02:58:53 like plastic Jun 20 02:58:55 ya Jun 20 02:58:56 to see if u opened it up Jun 20 02:59:03 no Jun 20 02:59:05 no? Jun 20 02:59:06 oh Jun 20 02:59:23 most things do Jun 20 02:59:28 they put stickers or glue stuff to see if you opened it Jun 20 02:59:35 this dont have sht (= **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 20 02:59:57 2006