**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 10 02:59:56 2006 Sep 10 10:39:11 aje Sep 10 11:11:08 aje Sep 10 18:20:18 mika_ :) Sep 10 18:20:45 capbot: :) Sep 10 18:29:44 le woot Sep 10 18:29:50 i just killed my r83 resistor Sep 10 18:29:53 BogoMIPS : 266.24 Sep 10 18:31:19 now i just have to get the case back on :) Sep 10 19:09:21 sdh, congrats. Sep 10 19:13:22 joshin: it was all thanks to the great howtos :) Sep 10 19:19:23 my 400GB is again damaged on the nslu Sep 10 19:19:44 I dont know where the problem is Sep 10 19:20:25 Cheef-Daniel, specs and data please Sep 10 19:20:57 400gb drive have its own power supply? Sep 10 19:21:06 Seagate-400GB External Sep 10 19:21:07 yes Sep 10 19:21:29 two headcrashes Sep 10 19:21:49 Not sure you can really blame the nslu2 for a head crash Sep 10 19:22:03 Is there vibration near the drive? Sep 10 19:22:18 Speaker? Kicking leg? evil housemate? Sep 10 19:22:23 ok, the second time it is not directly a headcrash but I think it takes so not long until Sep 10 19:22:53 first one was a seagate 300GB now a seagate 400GB Sep 10 19:23:37 the hdds stand all the time near the slug (first one 2 Months, second ~1 year) Sep 10 19:23:45 Seagate drives have been great for me for over 15 years. I'd guess it was something in your environment. Sep 10 19:24:56 the monitor is 30cm away Sep 10 19:25:41 What about speakers? How about the desk, when you bump it, how stable is it? Do you kick your leg while at the computer? Sep 10 19:26:01 (My wife kicks her leg so she now has RAID level 1 on her machine) Sep 10 19:27:01 the disk stands on a Shelf which hangs on the wall above my head Sep 10 19:27:29 so theres no moving possible, and we dont have strong earthquakes in germany Sep 10 19:27:57 speakers are 1,00m away Sep 10 19:28:51 dmesg: Buffer I/O error, bad block... Sep 10 19:29:16 and the disc makes sometime strong noises when I try to read the data Sep 10 19:29:45 Ok, I guess it isn't your environment then. I just can't imagine what the slug could do to cause it. Sep 10 19:31:04 I don't know if it was the slug maybe the hdd was bad Sep 10 19:31:23 but 2 times is serious Sep 10 19:31:53 and each time exactly the same messages in dmesg Sep 10 19:34:00 I hope seagate replaces the replaced disc again Sep 10 19:37:40 the bad thing is that sector 0 is damaged Sep 10 19:37:53 so all my partiotion informations are lost Sep 10 19:38:25 now I have to buy ome new disc and try to rescue the data Sep 10 19:39:23 now I will buy a raid1 system because I dont want to loose my data again Sep 10 20:46:39 joshin: second in three hours ;-) Sep 10 20:47:36 sdh, I'm going to be fattening both my slugs to 64MB and adding another couple USB ports. Sep 10 20:48:08 corr Sep 10 20:48:16 adding memory sounds good Sep 10 20:48:40 sounds more like a pain in the butt. :) Sep 10 20:48:44 hehe Sep 10 20:48:49 But will be good if I can do it. Sep 10 20:48:52 i run debianslug on mine Sep 10 20:48:55 > * :) Sep 10 20:49:35 I run debianslug on one and openslug on the other. I'm going to be comparing big vs little endian network performance this week. Sep 10 20:49:49 is openslug just the big-endian version of debianslug? Sep 10 20:50:16 more like the flash image for debianslug is the little endian version of openslug Sep 10 20:50:28 right Sep 10 20:50:34 that's the only difference? Sep 10 20:50:44 Pretty much. Sep 10 20:50:56 why'd they bother? :) Sep 10 20:51:01 Who? Sep 10 20:51:10 whichever came second :p Sep 10 20:51:41 Debianslug did it so as to be compatible with the little endian debian distribution that's already out there. Sep 10 20:52:21 right Sep 10 20:52:28 so they can use the existing apt repositories? Sep 10 20:52:32 bingo! Sep 10 20:53:20 so why would anybody run openslug? and what endianness is the xscale chip? is it big endian and the debianslug has to do endianness translation? Sep 10 20:53:59 All your answers are here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ Sep 10 20:54:08 sdh: both endiannesses Sep 10 20:54:10 i've read all that (though apparently not all ;-) Sep 10 20:54:13 not that that's a word Sep 10 20:54:21 it's actually really simple Sep 10 20:54:25 * joshin is watching (American) football so would rather not write essays at the moment Sep 10 20:54:31 blaster8: ah, like ppc? Sep 10 20:54:31 ALL networking communication is bigendian Sep 10 20:54:39 valid point Sep 10 20:54:40 no Sep 10 20:54:51 so saves calls to hton* right Sep 10 20:54:55 ppc has a pseudo-littleendian mode, which is slightly different Sep 10 20:55:26 arm, as well as mips can be run as truly big or little endian Sep 10 20:55:32 i'm not a hardware person :p Sep 10 20:55:38 ah Sep 10 20:55:44 so, if you want maximum performance for a networking device you run it bigendian Sep 10 20:55:44 i vaguely remember that now Sep 10 20:55:49 right Sep 10 20:55:57 still, intel manages ok ;-) Sep 10 20:56:00 well, x86 Sep 10 20:56:14 exactly, because x86 happens to be littleendian, some programs assume that behaviour Sep 10 20:56:29 so littleendian can mean less patches Sep 10 20:56:34 sure Sep 10 20:56:57 that's the basic difference - do you want to be byte-swapping all your networking communications? Sep 10 20:57:16 sure i'm ok with that - it was more the *slug side of things Sep 10 20:57:19 the theory is ok Sep 10 20:57:28 blaster8, any idea on how much a difference endianess means to networking performance? Sep 10 20:57:31 didn't realise debianslug was little vs openslug Sep 10 20:57:37 not honestly sure Sep 10 20:57:49 it would be interesting to get figures, though Sep 10 20:57:54 That's ok, I'll be doing some tests and will upload my results to the wiki Sep 10 20:58:22 I'm currently attempting a port of a new ethernet driver, which should be both faster and free of dodgy code/licensing Sep 10 20:58:25 sounds cool Sep 10 20:58:40 nice! Sep 10 20:58:49 i wouldn't know where to start writing a nic driver (other than google and the linux source... maybe) Sep 10 20:59:00 well, I didn't write it :) Sep 10 20:59:07 ah, a port Sep 10 20:59:11 from what? Sep 10 20:59:16 I'm only porting it to the NSLU2 build system and the board itseld Sep 10 20:59:40 well, I have to get the patchin to work with the 2 autobuild systems we use Sep 10 21:00:07 I need to patch the kernel myself to add NSLU2-specific initialisation information Sep 10 21:00:13 ahh Sep 10 21:00:18 then I need to try and sort out the 'userspace' side of things Sep 10 21:00:22 cross-compiling, or building kernel on the box itself? :) Sep 10 21:00:32 this is all cross-compiling Sep 10 21:00:40 cool Sep 10 21:00:53 userspace side is also not simple Sep 10 21:01:10 we need to load 'firmware' onto the ethernet device before it will work Sep 10 21:01:30 firmware in quotes? :) Sep 10 21:01:34 theoretically that can all be automated with hotplug, but I'm not sure how that will work for now Sep 10 21:01:44 well it is firmware, but Intel call it Microcode Sep 10 21:01:50 and put it under a stupid license Sep 10 21:01:58 ah microcode, that's fine Sep 10 21:02:02 you can use real words with me ;P Sep 10 21:02:14 don't intel sign their microcode though? Sep 10 21:02:17 :) Sep 10 21:02:36 brb, phone Sep 10 21:02:50 probably, I really don't care as long as I can download it and find a place to put it on the slug's flash so that all different OS variants can access it easily Sep 10 21:02:53 including debian Sep 10 21:03:02 brb, phone Sep 10 22:04:35 back Sep 10 22:04:51 just in time to say good night :) Sep 10 22:04:57 goodnight :) Sep 10 22:05:00 good news Sep 10 22:05:03 fellow uk, i see Sep 10 22:05:07 got the new driver buidling Sep 10 22:05:14 absolutely Sep 10 22:05:16 oh, cool Sep 10 22:05:33 so what next? Sep 10 22:05:40 under 40KB - whereas the old driver was about 20 times bigger Sep 10 22:05:49 what next: getting it to work :) Sep 10 22:05:56 lots of fun integration to do Sep 10 22:06:07 nice one - does it work just the same? i'm not that familiar with much beyond using the slug at the moment Sep 10 22:06:12 no idea Sep 10 22:06:22 if you expose the same interface it shouldn't need much Sep 10 22:06:23 haven't tested it yet - it should work the same but faster Sep 10 22:06:46 im playing with compiz now (vomiting :) Sep 10 22:07:07 :) Sep 10 22:07:13 like OS X but without any taste Sep 10 22:07:47 that said, by the end of the week, I will be running 2 linux desktops and 1 linux server in the house Sep 10 22:07:52 heh Sep 10 22:08:10 anyway, need sleep, cya around Sep 10 22:08:13 i use ubuntu on the desktop these days (or gentoo), freebsd and debian on my servers and xp when i have to in a vmware Sep 10 22:08:16 os x on laptop :) Sep 10 22:08:18 night ;) Sep 10 22:21:15 joshin: ping Sep 10 22:31:25 sdh, pong Sep 10 22:32:29 "Due to limitations of the IXP NPE access library and microcode at the time of release, the NSLU2 runs in big endian mode." Sep 10 22:32:34 how does little endian debian run? Sep 10 22:33:55 I think that page may be out of date. (I wondered that myself) Sep 10 22:34:31 ah, hmm Sep 10 22:35:10 I try not to worry about things that work. :) Am currently looking at getting rtorrent and cdkit ported to oe Sep 10 22:35:25 yeah. oe? Sep 10 22:36:04 OE == open embedded Sep 10 22:36:15 open embedded is what is used to build openslug Sep 10 22:36:18 ah Sep 10 22:52:59 sdh:i use debian as a desktop too Sep 10 22:53:13 infact debian in the only linux i use Sep 10 22:53:27 wanted to try novel desktop linux though Sep 10 22:53:39 * joshin runs gentoo on his desktop and server Sep 10 22:54:06 gentoox wasn't bad Sep 10 22:55:13 whats the max hard drive the slig can handel? Sep 10 22:55:19 slug Sep 10 22:58:30 Mine has a giant 1GB microdrive on it. So far so good. :) Sep 10 22:59:00 ahh, lol Sep 10 22:59:31 even whern running linux you still can't use a usb hub? Sep 10 23:00:17 CCFL_Man_, USB hub seems to work just fine on openslug Sep 10 23:03:53 joshin: after running gentoo for many years it was so nice to go back to a binary-based ditro ;) Sep 10 23:04:45 sdh, I understand. I have nice distcc setup which takes a lot of the pain out and build packages for my other machines. But yeah, I can see how one can get tired of it. Sep 10 23:05:09 joshin: i used to work at a place where we had 36 dual-cpu blades Sep 10 23:05:17 joshin: make -j 70 is special :) Sep 10 23:05:26 (debian is better :p) Sep 10 23:05:30 sdh, I used to work at a place that we had 7000 servers. :p Sep 10 23:05:36 joshin: :P Sep 10 23:05:52 I used to run the operations team for Hotmail.com Sep 10 23:06:05 joshin: know ben de bont? Sep 10 23:06:19 MSFTie? Sep 10 23:06:27 msn operations in seattle Sep 10 23:06:48 I have some friends that report to him. I quit in 2000. Sep 10 23:06:51 sorry i mean windows live Sep 10 23:06:55 hehe Sep 10 23:07:01 I know ben's boss. :) Sep 10 23:07:12 i think he was there too - long curly hair? Sep 10 23:07:24 a bit like billy connoly? Sep 10 23:08:21 joshin: i found myself next to ben on a flight during summer - seems like a nice bloke. it's pretty cool that you worked at hotmail... why did you leave and what did you leave for? :) Sep 10 23:08:23 No idea who you're atlking about. Sep 10 23:08:58 I quit because I was burned out and had enough $ to take a few years off. I do some consulting now and might be soon doing my own startup. Sep 10 23:09:23 cool - so it was hard work? Sep 10 23:09:45 3 years of 80+ hour weeks Sep 10 23:09:51 corrrr Sep 10 23:10:02 I was the first sys admin and when I left had a team of 80 people. Sep 10 23:10:06 so tell me - do they still run freebsd? :) Sep 10 23:10:25 Nope. The lack of support from the windows2000 team was a big part of why I left. Sep 10 23:10:39 They moved from FreeBSD in 2000 Sep 10 23:10:51 their loss ;) Sep 10 23:11:25 Nope, it made W2K much better. Microsoft learned a lot and did improve their server products dramatically Sep 10 23:11:34 * joshin tries to be OS agnostic Sep 10 23:12:05 But back in early 2000, W2K was in no way ready for handling hotmail's load Sep 10 23:12:25 or for administering 6000 machines (the rest were solaris based suns) Sep 10 23:13:50 i'm OS agnostic and find myself liking aspects of ms's server oses Sep 10 23:13:59 but i just struggle with their business model Sep 10 23:14:04 hence the hatred Sep 10 23:14:10 i never used to be like this Sep 10 23:15:13 ironically it seems that the one good place left for a security consultant to work is microsoft :) Sep 10 23:15:20 or at least one of the few big places Sep 10 23:15:28 s/consultant/researcher/ Sep 10 23:15:28 sdh meant: or at least one of the few big places Sep 10 23:15:38 hm. Sep 10 23:15:42 I typically don't use Windows in any form for internet facing servers Sep 10 23:15:56 joshin: agreed Sep 10 23:16:23 As a desktop, I do prefer windows. Though I have a virtual machine running gentoo with KDE for when I need that. Sep 10 23:16:33 (Windows is the primary for gaming purposes) Sep 10 23:17:12 joshin: i know what you mean - i'm pretty much full time in ubuntu these days, and miss easy access to my games in windows, though i have office and vs2005 etc in vmware Sep 10 23:18:10 Of course I don't have much time to game lately. With spouse and 2 kids under 5 as well as a startup idea I'm trying to prototype, time is lacking. Sep 10 23:18:30 joshin: i bet :) Sep 10 23:23:53 maybe your kids want to game! Sep 10 23:27:17 joshin: do you run your nslu2 at 133 or 266? Sep 10 23:27:31 sdh, 266 Sep 10 23:27:39 GoatBoy, they have their own computers :) Sep 10 23:27:45 joshin: cool. do you have any heat issues? Sep 10 23:28:12 I tossed on an extra ram chip heatsink when I did it. So no. Sep 10 23:28:26 I OC'd my slug last night Sep 10 23:28:32 definitely recommended Sep 10 23:28:48 although it's not really OC'ing, is it Sep 10 23:30:38 GoatBoy: indeed - i figure it should be ok as the chip is normally clocked at 266. i have no extra cooling on it Sep 11 00:02:05 One thing to remember is that the slug will use a little more power so if you have issues try a bigger power supply. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 11 02:59:57 2006