**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 21 02:59:57 2006 Sep 21 09:52:11 hmm Sep 21 09:52:20 i think i did something silly Sep 21 09:52:36 i formatted the hard drive for my slug Sep 21 09:52:51 and now i don't know how to get the firmware back to the original Sep 21 09:53:05 as i can't remember the password or username i'm supposed to use to activate telnet Sep 21 09:58:07 (apologies, i have read the site and remembered admin/admin) Sep 21 10:03:20 ok, i have looked on the site Sep 21 10:03:32 and i can't remember exactly what to do as i haven't used my slug in ~year Sep 21 10:03:46 i've updated to the latest unslung using the windows utility Sep 21 10:04:09 now, do i plug in the hard drive, reboot and plug in the hard drive, reboot, format the hard drive, plug it in? Sep 21 10:20:39 Lunar_Lamp, you can use the Sercomm Upgrade Utility to reflash to the original firmware Sep 21 10:21:30 i wanted to upgrade to the latest anyway Sep 21 10:21:58 i just figured seeing as i hadnt used it in so long the easiest way would be to reset to the beginning and start over Sep 21 10:22:04 but now, i have this situation: Sep 21 10:22:13 slug working on version 6.8 unslung Sep 21 10:22:18 but not detecting the disk Sep 21 10:22:27 i presume because the disk has not been treated correctly yet Sep 21 10:22:37 but i can't find the instructions of what to do Sep 21 10:24:31 Lunar_Lamp, sorry, can't help you with that. I don't know unslung that good Sep 21 10:24:50 ehhe Sep 21 10:24:53 i was being stupid Sep 21 10:25:01 theres a simple utility through the web interface Sep 21 10:27:29 hmm, is it possible to replace the ash shell with bash Sep 21 10:27:45 or is bash too resource-hogging for the benefits of use? Sep 21 10:28:02 (i.e. i know how to use bash, and i cant be bothered to find the few differences to the ash shell) Sep 21 10:42:17 uhoh Sep 21 10:42:29 -------- NOTE: RUNNING FROM INTERNAL FLASH -------- Sep 21 10:42:29 This system is currently running from the internal flash memory, Sep 21 10:42:29 it has NOT booted up into "unslung" mode from an external drive. Sep 21 10:42:40 the disk is recognised in the web interface Sep 21 10:42:45 thus i have done something wrong i think Sep 21 12:26:12 Does anyone know how long it takes, to get a post up on http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/? Sep 21 14:47:53 ok Sep 21 14:48:08 i have set up ssh on my slug, and can ssh into it from within my home network Sep 21 14:48:14 that works great Sep 21 14:48:21 however, i want to set it up so taht i can access it from the net Sep 21 14:48:33 however, externally, all the computers on my network have the same ip Sep 21 14:48:40 as they all go through the same router Sep 21 14:48:45 how do i get around this? Sep 21 14:49:10 on your router Sep 21 14:49:13 setup port forwarding Sep 21 14:50:26 ok, i;m not really sure how to do that, as there is no "port forwarding" page Sep 21 14:50:26 but Sep 21 14:50:27 This function will allow you to route external (Internet) calls for services such as a web server (port 80), FTP server (Port 21), or other applications through your Router to your internal network. More Info Sep 21 14:50:29 is that the right page? Sep 21 14:50:33 Damn, I haven't used the nslu2 webinterface for too long. What is the username for the Administration pages? Sep 21 14:50:34 that looks like it's forwarding ports to me Sep 21 14:50:40 admim/admin Sep 21 14:50:46 er, admin/admin Sep 21 14:51:50 Is it just "Administrator"? Or is it "root"? Sep 21 14:52:02 barnseen2o, that means i have to set up the slug to use a constant ip right? i have it set up to use DCHP atm Sep 21 14:52:08 Tobbe: it's admin/admin Sep 21 14:52:13 assuming you have no discs plugged in Sep 21 14:52:14 thanks Sep 21 14:52:31 I do, but that still worked :) Sep 21 14:53:02 ok, probably doesn't matter Sep 21 14:53:05 probly under firewall rules Sep 21 14:53:06 but i know it works with no discs, hehe Sep 21 14:53:25 and port forwarding is ont he router, nothing to do with slug Sep 21 14:53:38 yeah, i know Sep 21 14:54:08 but yes, give slug a fixed ip on your lan Sep 21 14:54:26 well, my router always gives out the same dhcp ips to the same mac addresses Sep 21 14:54:55 barnseen2o, i thought mine did too, and loadsa restarts today has been the same, but one was different, but i think that was an old firmware Sep 21 14:55:13 i'll get the port forwarding working first i think though Sep 21 14:57:31 works nicely for me, my router has dyndns support, so i can always get my home lan from outside Sep 21 14:57:49 i dont think mine does :-( Sep 21 14:58:04 and you have dynamic ip from your isp? Sep 21 14:58:04 i'm going to have to setup dyndns with a cron-job script or something Sep 21 14:58:13 yeah, and it costs to get static i think Sep 21 14:58:28 ugg, yes - i think there are a few dyndns apps for the slug Sep 21 14:58:48 just simple scripts that utilise free services like dyndns.org Sep 21 15:02:56 Lunar_Lamp: Have you checked if your router has support for any of the dyndns services? Sep 21 15:03:06 i don't know how Sep 21 15:03:11 but i don't see any reference to it Sep 21 15:04:39 ok, because I could set up my router to automaticly update my dyndns.com account Sep 21 15:05:11 my router isn't a particularly amazing one Sep 21 15:05:13 not awful Sep 21 15:05:16 but not amazing Sep 21 15:05:42 ok Sep 21 15:07:08 belkin fsd7630-4a if you have any idea how to go about finding out Sep 21 15:07:20 but there is no explicit reference to dyndns services in the documentation Sep 21 15:08:14 quick question - i just used "adduser" to add a user Sep 21 15:08:19 how do i now remove that user? Sep 21 15:08:43 deluser Sep 21 15:08:50 good luck im afk Sep 21 15:08:51 thanks Sep 21 15:10:42 hmm, i want to change a username, but it's telling me the passwords are too similar Sep 21 15:11:04 they really aren;t though :-s Sep 21 15:14:42 can't you just type it again to tell it you don't care they are simular? Sep 21 15:16:04 that's what i thought Sep 21 15:16:05 but no Sep 21 15:16:12 so i just changed it to something else Sep 21 15:16:14 and then to what i wanted Sep 21 15:16:27 security pft Sep 21 15:17:31 lol Sep 21 15:18:17 hmm - i think i'll have to overclock my slug now Sep 21 15:18:27 no reason to, but you know, just for fun Sep 21 15:18:37 things seem to have been going too smoothly Sep 21 15:18:48 so, i need to do something that i can be guarenteed to mess up Sep 21 15:18:49 if you just resently bought it it probably already is running at 266mhz Sep 21 15:18:58 nah, i bought it about a year ago i think Sep 21 15:19:02 or maybe 9months Sep 21 15:19:17 i just wiped it and am resetting it up again Sep 21 15:19:52 as it was only being used as an itunes server really, and i wanted it to do a lot more, didn't want it doing itunes anymore, and there was significant revisions to the firmware Sep 21 15:19:53 I would still check what it's running at before cracking it open though :) Sep 21 15:20:00 yeah, i did, heh Sep 21 15:20:09 bogus mips is 131 Sep 21 15:20:13 i.e. underclocked Sep 21 15:20:14 k Sep 21 15:20:25 yeah Sep 21 15:23:46 Anyone in here moderating the forum? Sep 21 15:24:00 It's been hours since I posted... Sep 21 15:24:04 Still not up. Sep 21 15:25:25 I'm going crazy over the debian installer... Sep 21 15:33:06 what;s the problem, i've not used debianslug, but i may be able to help Sep 21 15:56:27 hmm Sep 21 15:56:30 i can't install miau Sep 21 15:56:35 get a post-install error Sep 21 16:18:36 My problem is, that when I get to partinioning my harddrive, it is not present. Sep 21 16:19:47 http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2895/diskmissingrd4.png Sep 21 16:19:48 have you mounted it? Sep 21 16:20:02 Where can I do that during the install? Sep 21 16:20:20 I'm running the Debian/NSLU2 installer image. Sep 21 16:20:30 Its not the SlugOS. Sep 21 16:20:43 if there's no way to do so, then it will be done correctly by default, so that'll be a red herring Sep 21 16:20:53 can you partition it, and then install onto an existing partition table? Sep 21 16:21:02 or do you need to format during the install procedure? Sep 21 16:21:13 I'm not sure. Sep 21 16:21:30 well, if i'm honest Sep 21 16:21:34 Asd you can see from the screenshot, the only mounts available is in the internal memory. Sep 21 16:21:37 you probably shouldn't listen to me Sep 21 16:23:10 I would figure an attached storage would be automounted during the install process, but It appears not to be so. Sep 21 16:23:44 I also get an error early on during the installation. Perhaps its related? Sep 21 16:24:03 http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5247/errorif6.png Sep 21 16:24:22 No kernel modules? Sep 21 16:24:30 Could this be the reason? Sep 21 16:24:46 are you installing it as it says you may be able to? Sep 21 16:25:38 Yes, I'm following Martin Michlmayr's guide http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/, using the unofficial image with the IXP4xx Ethernet driver. Sep 21 16:26:50 I've posted on the yahoo group, but the moderators sleeping or something, so it haven't been approved yet. Sep 21 16:28:33 Maybe I should try going for DebianSlug instead... Sep 21 16:51:27 Can anyone tell me how I can figure out if my USB drive is found by the system? Sep 21 16:51:46 er Sep 21 16:51:53 go to the web interface? Sep 21 16:52:00 e.g. 192.168.1.77 Sep 21 16:52:01 I've flashed DebianSlug Sep 21 16:52:09 I checked dmesg. Sep 21 16:52:38 usb usb3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Sep 21 16:52:38 hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found Sep 21 16:52:38 hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected Sep 21 16:52:38 USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.3 Sep 21 16:52:38 Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Sep 21 16:52:38 usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage Sep 21 16:52:40 USB Mass Storage support registered. Sep 21 16:52:53 But I can't seem to find it in /dev? Sep 21 16:53:17 sorry, i know nothing about debianslug i'm afraid Sep 21 16:53:22 :/ Sep 21 16:53:46 Ain't there supposed to be some wiz'es in here? Sep 21 16:54:10 quite possible, but i'm not one of them i'm afraid Sep 21 16:54:26 hehe Sep 21 16:55:55 Yay, Sep 21 16:56:05 Pulled it and plugged in in again. Sep 21 16:56:26 Now I got sda, sda1, sda2 and sda3 in my /dev. Sep 21 16:56:34 Happy day :) Sep 21 17:53:11 hey, anyone tell me where I can find info on getting a bittorrent client onto openslug? Sep 21 17:53:53 What distribution are you running? Sep 21 17:53:59 Unslung? Sep 21 17:54:11 OMG Sep 21 17:54:19 I'm soo asleep. Sep 21 17:54:30 checkout www.torrentflux.com. Sep 21 17:54:56 Otherwise ctorrent along with ctcs should work just fine one openslug too. Sep 21 17:55:14 well, I'm getting it through the post tomorrow, so I was going to get OpenSlug 3.10 Beta (NSLU2) Sep 21 17:55:54 Ok, I've just flashed with DebianSlug in order to get torrentflux to work on mine. Sep 21 17:56:04 Couldn't get it done with Unslung. Sep 21 17:56:25 is debianslug any more difficult to use for a linux newbie-ish. I've used openslug a few times on one at work Sep 21 17:57:32 I'm not sure, but I'm having no trouble using it and I'm no wiz with linux either. Sep 21 17:57:36 Just installing samba now. Sep 21 17:58:01 mmm, might give it a shot thanks. I'll check out torrentflux too, and see. Thanks for the info Sep 21 17:58:16 Glad to help. Take care. Sep 21 17:59:44 just reading the install on this torrentflux, says web server, php and mysql also needed, you done all of this without problems? Sep 21 18:01:27 should be no major trouble, especially if you install DebianSlug Sep 21 18:04:54 cool Sep 21 18:05:17 installing all of this, does the file sharing (SMB) performance greatly reduce? Sep 21 18:06:56 depends, hopefully not Sep 21 18:07:11 RAM will be the limiting factor Sep 21 18:07:12 :) right, I'll give it all a try tomorrow then, thanks Sep 21 18:46:08 You should go for the hacked version. Sep 21 18:46:22 Lighttpd instead of apache. Sep 21 18:46:39 sqlite instead of MySQL. Sep 21 18:47:13 And transmission instead of the python version of BitLord. Sep 21 18:47:29 This takes next to nothing to run. Sep 21 18:47:44 Do a search for NSLU2 on the TF forums. Sep 21 18:47:47 You'll find it.' Sep 21 18:49:22 Wow, the Debianslug version transfers sooo much faster than Unslung. Sep 21 18:49:33 Almost 6MB/s. Sep 21 20:04:34 torrentflux sucked arse for me. rtorrent has worked best overall so far Sep 21 20:51:16 when choosing versions of software for the slug, what architecture should I be looking at? Sep 21 20:53:04 depends Sep 21 20:53:17 arm for DebianSlug, armeb for OpenSlug Sep 21 20:56:48 right thanks Sep 21 20:56:57 noprob Sep 21 20:57:49 just to clear something up, on this site, on downloads I have two options for Debian, Debian/NSLU2 (debian-installer) and SlugOS (DebianSlug, OpenSlug) what's the difference? When people say DebianSlug which one are they refering to? Sep 21 21:02:07 DebianSlug is the little-endian OpenSlug available from NSLU2-Linux Sep 21 21:02:18 I'll explain in a minute Sep 21 21:02:24 k Sep 21 21:02:25 thanks Sep 21 21:03:07 ok Sep 21 21:03:27 Debian/NSLU2 is a fully Debian system, kernel and userland Sep 21 21:03:48 DebianSlug actually ships no Debian code 'inside' as it were Sep 21 21:04:06 so which one do people go for Sep 21 21:04:08 however, it does allow you to bootstrap a Debian installation on the hard drive Sep 21 21:04:08 ? Sep 21 21:04:22 The scenario. Sep 21 21:04:31 At the moment, Debian/NSLU2 isn't ready for end user yet Sep 21 21:04:34 try DebianSlug Sep 21 21:05:03 DebianSlug provides an environment in which to bootstrap a Debian Userland Sep 21 21:05:03 ah right, I was just about to tell you my situation, but that's made my decision Sep 21 21:05:38 hopefully, Debian/NSLU2 will be a better solution than DebianSlug if you want to use Debian packages Sep 21 21:05:45 but it's not ready yet Sep 21 21:06:32 OK, would DebianSlug be the best option for the following (in your opinion). I have the slug with memory stick for OS and Hard Drive for sharing across windows network and downloading torrents. Sep 21 21:06:51 probably debianslug atm Sep 21 21:06:56 possibly a web server on too, but not major purpose of slug Sep 21 21:07:02 you will want to control torrents with a web interface, most likely Sep 21 21:07:03 cool Sep 21 21:07:08 yea Sep 21 21:07:14 and Debian has a mature apache/php set up Sep 21 21:07:41 someone mentioned lighttpd instead of apache??? Sep 21 21:07:58 mm Sep 21 21:07:58 or does apache/php come with debian package? Sep 21 21:08:04 lighttpd is better, in theory Sep 21 21:08:08 but? Sep 21 21:08:16 in what theory? Sep 21 21:08:23 (genuinely curious about lighttpd) Sep 21 21:08:28 it's lightweight Sep 21 21:08:37 whereas Apache is purposefully heavyweight Sep 21 21:08:44 and the Slug has only 32MB RAM Sep 21 21:08:51 better performance for the limited purposes I will need? Sep 21 21:08:53 granted Sep 21 21:08:57 but lighttpd can be a nuisance Sep 21 21:09:02 how does apache without modules loaded compare to lighttpd Sep 21 21:09:17 heavier, because of the preforking model Sep 21 21:09:41 well you can use different models like worker Sep 21 21:11:39 so someone suggested the following... lighttpd instead of apache, sqlite instead of mysql and transmission instead of python. All this running on DebianSlug using torrentflux for the torrents. Your thoughts? Sep 21 21:12:39 sounds good Sep 21 21:12:53 no idea how to swap out sqlite for mysql though Sep 21 21:13:11 still, you may find yourself having to compile this yourself Sep 21 21:13:15 ah, I suppose I better read up on it Sep 21 21:13:16 and that's the down side Sep 21 21:13:26 whereas Apache in Debian is ready to run Sep 21 21:13:27 hey blaster8 Sep 21 21:13:34 debianslug ftw! Sep 21 21:13:41 ? Sep 21 21:14:00 daint: torrentflux is awful on slug - dont even bother wasting your time Sep 21 21:14:12 have you tried apache/php/mysql on a DebianSlug setup?? If so, what's the speed of SMB like and the web server? Sep 21 21:14:52 apache php is great Sep 21 21:14:58 barnseen2o - what torrent client is best then do you think? Based on I could do with some kind of web interface Sep 21 21:14:59 mysql struggled under load Sep 21 21:15:15 but the python script for torrentflux was eating memory and ground the machine to a halt Sep 21 21:15:20 rtorrent Sep 21 21:15:22 suppose I wouldn't really need mysql anyway Sep 21 21:15:23 and forget the web interface Sep 21 21:15:35 I only really needed it for torrentflux apparently Sep 21 21:15:37 rtorrent is all you need, is a lovely solution Sep 21 21:16:35 ctorrent is ok for one off jobs, but i just leave rtorrent going all the time using screen, drop torrent files into its watch dir, and thats it! Sep 21 21:17:05 so if I stick apache/php along with smb and rtorrent. You think I'd get good enough performance for torrent downloading and file sharing, no apparent problems? Sep 21 21:17:17 im running it right now Sep 21 21:17:26 and good transfer rates? Sep 21 21:17:28 what are you smbing for though? Sep 21 21:17:37 as much as my isp can handle yes Sep 21 21:17:48 well, I'm going to use it as a shared drive on windows, what other choices do I have? Sep 21 21:18:03 depends if your isp traffic shapes, as most of these cli torrent solutions dont support the current torrent encryption format Sep 21 21:18:24 oh i see, and your ethernet or wireless between pc and slug? Sep 21 21:18:42 personally i just leave all files on slug hd and stream from slug to xbox Sep 21 21:18:55 and via itunes server for music to pcs/tv Sep 21 21:19:01 yea, so I've got the slug plugged directly into a wireless/wired router, all PC's on the network and xbox can access the slugs shared drive Sep 21 21:19:29 i find wireless transfer to my slug really slow.. but thats not slugs fault i guess, just wireless! Sep 21 21:19:47 if i really need to get a 4gb file from slug to pc or viceversa i stick in a lan cable Sep 21 21:20:02 Yea, transfer across network does seem a little slow through wireless, but I suppose that's another forum/chatroom altogether Sep 21 21:20:28 seriously though - go rtorrent, theres no looking back Sep 21 21:20:34 So, you don't use SMB, you have a itunes server running on the slug, and let the xbox and pc's stream through this??? Sep 21 21:20:42 nearly Sep 21 21:20:51 itunes for music to pcs and me at work Sep 21 21:20:57 how about zip files you download as torrents? or exe Sep 21 21:20:59 smb for video and music to xbox Sep 21 21:20:59 's Sep 21 21:21:10 i dont download zips or exes Sep 21 21:21:37 I'm just trying to think whether I actually need to Sep 21 21:21:59 xbmc can stream from itunes server anyway can't it? Sep 21 21:22:04 my stuff is all audio or video Sep 21 21:22:09 so no need for smb?? Sep 21 21:22:13 it can, and i do use it Sep 21 21:22:19 i just use both Sep 21 21:22:23 ah right Sep 21 21:22:35 itunes is better actually to xbmc as you can easily setup playlists with it Sep 21 21:22:46 smb is obviously just a big list of dirs Sep 21 21:23:22 EvilDevil in here also showed me how to mount iso files in debianslug, so i can mount dvd images and smb them to xbmc too Sep 21 21:23:34 can you play audio/video files directly from the slug smb drive on a pc? the reason I ask this, when I tried playing a realmedia file on a shared linux drive, it wanted to download the entire file first, instead of the way it usually playing using windows Sep 21 21:24:21 tbh, never bothered Sep 21 21:24:31 i always use itunes as my client Sep 21 21:24:35 on pv Sep 21 21:24:36 pc Sep 21 21:24:37 I'm definitely going to look at the itunes option Sep 21 21:24:48 So what's needed on the slug/pc Sep 21 21:24:52 use this link here to set it up Sep 21 21:25:34 http://www.osix.net/modules/blog/?id=3129 Sep 21 21:25:43 im a sad fuck, i blogged about how i did it Sep 21 21:25:46 does itunes stream avi/rm/wmv and others. Thanks for that link Sep 21 21:25:58 http://www.osix.net/modules/blog/?name=bb there are a few more slug things ive done there too Sep 21 21:26:07 not sure Sep 21 21:26:17 i think ccxstream is the choice for avi streaming Sep 21 21:26:40 again EvilDevil said he used that and may be able to answer any questions you have on it Sep 21 21:26:53 that blog is really useful, thanks Sep 21 21:28:03 im off to go watch some telly but you can pm me here if you like, i leave this irc client running on my slug Sep 21 21:28:39 thanks Sep 21 23:59:03 i'd like to ask a noobish question Sep 21 23:59:12 the final script here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/DynDNSupdate Sep 21 23:59:25 it contains the line: WILDCARD=[ON|OFF] Sep 21 23:59:34 i'm uncertain if i'm supposed to choose one of those options or not Sep 21 23:59:49 i'm pretty sure i should, but not certain Sep 22 00:15:57 Lunar_Lamp: this is probably specific to dyndns Sep 22 00:16:17 http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/statdns/faq.html#q22 Sep 22 00:17:14 http://www.dyndns.com/developers/specs/syntax.html Sep 22 00:17:36 nah Sep 22 00:17:42 i know i didn't use wildcard Sep 22 00:17:46 i wasn't sure about the script Sep 22 00:17:52 but running made me realise what to do Sep 22 00:17:54 however Sep 22 00:18:06 i had to "chmod -R 777 /var/tmp" Sep 22 00:18:09 666 didn't work Sep 22 00:18:15 and 777 seems very liberal to me Sep 22 00:24:06 666 means rw-rw-rw Sep 22 00:24:12 i know Sep 22 00:24:18 777 is rwxrwxrwx Sep 22 00:24:36 i didn't think that anything needed executable access in /var/tmp Sep 22 00:24:37 pretty "unusefull" for a directory ;) Sep 22 00:24:51 how come? Sep 22 00:25:01 surely it just means that files in ther ecan only be written to and read Sep 22 00:25:06 but they cannot be executed? Sep 22 00:25:07 x alsoo means "chdir into" Sep 22 00:25:11 oh Sep 22 00:25:12 lol Sep 22 00:25:20 well, i'm newish to linux Sep 22 00:25:25 so that was something that i didn't know Sep 22 00:25:31 it makes sense why 777 waas needed now Sep 22 00:26:47 anyway Sep 22 00:26:56 quarter to one Sep 22 00:26:57 er, two Sep 22 00:27:10 so i'm going to bed, managed to get all i wanted to done with the slug today Sep 22 00:27:11 quarter to 3 here ;) Sep 22 00:27:22 just a small question Sep 22 00:27:30 how do i irc through the slug using ssh? Sep 22 00:27:33 is it simple? Sep 22 00:27:46 i mean, obviously i could install an irc client on the slug (if there is one for unslung) Sep 22 00:27:51 but i don't really want to do that Sep 22 00:27:59 you mean using a bouncer (like miau) through a ssh-tunnel? Sep 22 00:28:05 i'd rather run graphical client (e.g. xchat) Sep 22 00:28:12 yeah, i installed miau Sep 22 00:28:18 but no configuration on it yet Sep 22 00:28:39 i use miau through a ssh-tunnel when i'm at the university Sep 22 00:28:48 exact same reason i want to install it Sep 22 00:29:31 how does it work? Sep 22 00:29:57 it's pretty simple: ssh -l user myhost.dyndns.org -p SSHPort -L localport:localhost.:MiauPort Sep 22 00:30:39 and all you need to do after that is configuring your irc-client to use "localport" and localhost as the server to connect to Sep 22 00:30:45 ah right Sep 22 00:30:46 thanks Sep 22 00:32:14 minor potential complication Sep 22 00:32:25 i can't directly ssh out of my uni Sep 22 00:32:39 i have to ssh into "ssh.server.ac" and ssh out of that to my desired address Sep 22 00:34:02 well, anyway, i'm calling it a night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 22 02:59:56 2006