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Nov 09 03:21:27 <anix> anyone around?
Nov 09 03:26:11 <drif_> yup
Nov 09 03:27:52 <anix> howdy again
Nov 09 03:28:39 <anix> do you know how i go about reflashing my slug from 3.10 beta to a version that i built myself?
Nov 09 03:34:56 <widrone> anix: If you are in the flashing mood, maybe try out the debian installer for etch (its rc1) :) 
Nov 09 03:35:32 <widrone> anix: Kernel you buildt I reckon? Not a whole flash? 
Nov 09 04:26:27 <m37> Hello world
Nov 09 04:30:41 <m37> I have been toying with the idea of building a box and running "freeNAS" on a compact flash card. Then I heard of the NSLU2 and I'm thinking this might be a good alt. But I have a few questions, firstly does this device support more than two drives?
Nov 09 04:33:50 <LoganAggie> Yay for nicks which aren't 'owned by someone else'
Nov 09 04:41:21 <LoganAggie> Maybe everyone is AFK?
Nov 09 04:42:46 <Tobbe> LoganAggie: You can use an usb hub
Nov 09 04:44:17 <LoganAggie> Sweet
Nov 09 04:44:39 <Tobbe> There are a few things you need to know about though: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/UsingAUSBHub
Nov 09 04:45:37 <widrone> LoganAggie: Depending on the firmware you run on it, but short answer is no. 
Nov 09 04:46:39 <widrone> I think maybe unslung had some issues with it once back in the days, but I cant see why it would bring you any problems if you go openslug or debian
Nov 09 04:48:16 <Tobbe> widrone: So what you're saying is that he can't use an usb hub with the original firmware? But unslung, openslug och debian should be fine?
Nov 09 04:49:06 <widrone> what im saying I guess is that with the original or unslung he is on his own, but with openslug / debian there should be no worries. 
Nov 09 04:49:32 <widrone> "limited nodes in /dev" or something lingers in my mind. :)
Nov 09 04:52:24 <LoganAggie> Fantastic, thanks windrone and Tobbe.
Nov 09 04:53:04 <widrone> LoganAggie: I was afk watching a movie from my nslu mounted samba folder =) 
Nov 09 04:54:11 <Tobbe> widrone: from the faq: "Linksys v2.3R63 and above allows multiple FAT32/NTFS drives attached to port 1 using a USB hub."
Nov 09 04:54:38 <Tobbe> "A new Unslung with the ufsd package added also supports this feature."
Nov 09 04:55:24 <widrone> Tobbe: I was just reading up on it now too, thanks thu. 
Nov 09 04:56:42 <widrone> My last slug went from shrinkwrapped to forcedreload on first power on, never even got to see the linksys stuff. So Im really bad at what it offers really. 
Nov 09 04:58:23 <LoganAggie> :) going slightly off-topic, is there a way to turn a machine like this into a linux workstation (attaching a display, kb, mouse and running a lightweight window system like XFCE(sp?) )?
Nov 09 04:58:35 <LoganAggie> wow.. lack of sleep takes a toll on my English
Nov 09 04:59:10 <widrone> LoganAggie: As far as I know only one USB screen is out there 
Nov 09 04:59:36 <widrone> vnc is possible (not really advicable thu), but then you need another computer. 
Nov 09 05:00:15 <widrone> if youre serious there is always 4 line lcd screens too =) 
Nov 09 05:00:38 <Tobbe> gtg
Nov 09 05:00:57 <LoganAggie> Too bad, I'd really like a machine with a formfacter like that which I could use as a workstation.
Nov 09 05:01:55 <widrone> Maybe have a look at the mini/nano itx stuff or some of the other small formfactors if you need the vga output. 
Nov 09 05:02:22 <widrone> However the USB screen does have linux drivers. 
Nov 09 05:03:03 <widrone> and there seems to be more then one 
Nov 09 05:03:09 <widrone> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddVGAAdapter
Nov 09 05:05:28 <widrone> for the hardware links, the software side seems to be related to unslung
Nov 09 05:08:04 <LoganAggie> Cool, so this would allow for a VGA monitor to be used, but could the hardware run a GUI?
Nov 09 05:08:20 <widrone> i have tested with vnc as i mentoioned, it is really stretching it with 32mb ram 
Nov 09 05:08:43 <widrone> A slim windowsystem yes, room to go wild I think not
Nov 09 05:09:26 <widrone> I relly have to say it be sweet to try, im hunting for hw prices 
Nov 09 05:09:57 <LoganAggie> Someone should build a machine like this with VGA 'out of the box' and a little more muscle, I'd buy one!
Nov 09 05:12:04 <widrone> there probably is one arm device out there waiting for you already. 
Nov 09 05:12:37 <LoganAggie> Any ideas how I'd find it?
Nov 09 05:13:20 <widrone> nah, still sort of looking myself. 
Nov 09 05:40:25 <LoganAggie> Alright, I'm off to bed. Cheers and thanks for all your help.
Nov 09 10:04:26 <rwhitby> matttt: to start again, you need to completely wipe the disk.
Nov 09 10:04:33 <matttt> yes. please.
Nov 09 10:04:54 <rwhitby> easiest way is to plug it into another machine (Linux or windows).  are you able to do that?
Nov 09 10:05:22 <matttt> yeah, I have xp, or at a push debian around.
Nov 09 10:05:27 <rwhitby> xp is fine.
Nov 09 10:05:38 <rwhitby> use the Computer->Manage->Disk Management
Nov 09 10:05:43 <rwhitby> delete all the partitions on the drive
Nov 09 10:05:49 <matttt> right.
Nov 09 10:06:01 <rwhitby> create a single partition
Nov 09 10:06:06 <rwhitby> put the drive back on the slug
Nov 09 10:06:11 <rwhitby> it will format then
Nov 09 10:07:51 <matttt> ah, so it isn;t possible to remove the partitions from a telnet session on the nslu ?
Nov 09 10:09:38 <rwhitby> not unless you have a working fdisk installe
Nov 09 10:09:38 <matttt> ah, looks like it's formatting now.
Nov 09 10:09:39 <rwhitby> d
Nov 09 10:09:56 <rwhitby> the fdisk included in the slug cannot undo existing partitioning
Nov 09 10:10:12 <rwhitby> (it's been hacked by linksys)
Nov 09 10:10:19 <rwhitby> matttt: which part of Oz are you in?
Nov 09 10:10:24 <matttt> Sydney
Nov 09 10:10:39 <rwhitby> Worked there for three years with Canon in Nth Ryde.
Nov 09 10:10:52 <rwhitby> Now in Adelaide.
Nov 09 10:11:12 <matttt> I think I went for a job there a few year back. (canon, n.ryde)
Nov 09 10:11:30 <matttt> didn't get it.  no matter.
Nov 09 10:12:55 <matttt> lovely, chugging away, unslinging again.
Nov 09 10:13:00 <matttt> thanks heaps.
Nov 09 10:13:18 <matttt> is there any functional difference between disk1 port and disk2 ?
Nov 09 10:57:38 <mwester-laptop> matttt: Here's a good starting point for the port issue on the NSLU2: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/WhichUSBPortforUnslung6 
Nov 09 10:57:42 <rwhitby> matttt: see the wiki for differences
Nov 09 10:57:46 <rwhitby> yeah, what he said :-)
Nov 09 10:58:48 <mwester-laptop> For hardware, there's no difference.  The software determines the diff, and Linksys made it really, um, "interesting" with the R63 firmware (which is what Unslung 6.8 is based upon).
Nov 09 18:17:08 <Tobbe> The disk I've got connected to my nslu2 keeps spinning up and down all the time. It's a WD MyBook 250GB. What can I do to keep it spinned down?
Nov 09 18:17:25 <Tobbe> I've moved /var/log and /dev to ramdisk
Nov 09 18:17:47 <Tobbe> and I only have three cronjobs every day (for setting the time)
Nov 09 18:55:40 <LoganAggie> :) hello World!
Nov 09 18:56:35 <drif> hi logan
Nov 09 18:58:45 * LoganAggie tips hat.
Nov 09 18:59:57 <drif> bought a slug then, perhaps?
Nov 09 19:00:19 <LoganAggie> Nope, still weighing my options.
Nov 09 19:00:24 <drif> ah, I see
Nov 09 19:00:30 <drif> what are those
Nov 09 19:01:14 <LoganAggie> The original plan was to run "freeNAS" off of a compact flash card in an older PC of mine, but the slug or something like it might be more fun
Nov 09 19:05:07 <LoganAggie> I spoke with several people last night about using the slug as a workstation by using a USB kb, mouse and VGA adapter. In the end it sounded like the slug is not quite powerfull enough to make something like XFCE usable.
Nov 09 19:11:24 <LoganAggie> So, I'd like something with a little more muscle.. and optionally a built-in VGA adapter
Nov 09 19:12:24 <drif> there were this one guy... cannot recall who - but he had this more powerful concept for sale
Nov 09 19:12:31 <LoganAggie> ITX was suggested, but once I get that close to an 'actual pc' I may as well continue with my original freeNAS plan and just change the Distro.
Nov 09 19:12:49 <drif> also fitted to a size of a small network switch case
Nov 09 19:13:07 <drif> but how much muscle do you need?
Nov 09 19:14:38 <LoganAggie> basic workstation tasks such as firefox, GAIM, etc.. and GNOME would be great
Nov 09 19:14:59 <Tobbe> to run gnome you need more than a little muscle...
Nov 09 19:15:37 <Tobbe> not even your average "old pc" can run gnome at a comfortable speed...
Nov 09 19:15:46 <LoganAggie> Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. XFCE or another light-weight option would be acceptable
Nov 09 21:50:25 <tzanger> 'evening...  does anyone know of any floating-point compilation issues with the optware build environment?  I'm building gpsd but having some issues with the binary and the gpsd guys mentioned that osmeone had a broken compiler but wasn't sure who
Nov 09 22:21:53 <LoganAggie> Cheers
Nov 09 23:01:13 <widrone_> tzanger: Not the answer youre looking for really, but I run gpsd on my slug. Binary from the debian distro. 
Nov 09 23:01:36 <widrone_> But in your case, try the nslu2-linux channel, more devs hang out there and they are bound to know the answer. 
Nov 09 23:01:52 <tzanger> widrone_: widrone_ do you have a link to the specific package?  I will extract it manually and use that to test
Nov 09 23:02:29 <widrone_> tzanger: Hold on a bit, ill dig it out.  
Nov 09 23:02:39 <tzanger> much appreciated.  :-)
Nov 09 23:02:58 <widrone_> tzanger: big or little endian, I keep forgetting. =) 
Nov 09 23:03:49 <tzanger> be I *think*
Nov 09 23:04:32 <widrone_> Hm, Im on el, little. But you should look to see if its bildt by the debian dd-builders anyway. Hold on... 
Nov 09 23:05:34 <tzanger> yeah it's big endian
Nov 09 23:05:37 <widrone_> http://www.buildd.net/cgi/package_status?unstable_pkg=gpsd&searchtype=armeb&arch=armeb
Nov 09 23:05:47 <widrone_> misc/gpsd_2.33-4: Dep-Wait by wendy [optional:uncompiled]
Nov 09 23:06:00 <widrone_> Sorry, not gone thru yet as far as I can see. 
Nov 09 23:06:26 <widrone_> Its logs from the autobuilders, waiting for Dependencies: libdbus-1-dev
Nov 09 23:06:45 <tzanger> ahh okay
Nov 09 23:08:20 <tzanger> interesting site
Nov 09 23:08:48 <widrone_> Mm, also includes some archs that are not in debian proper yet. 
Nov 09 23:09:36 <widrone_> This is the le packages thu, binarys: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gpsd/
Nov 09 23:10:56 <tzanger> how do you know those are le?
Nov 09 23:11:25 <widrone_> arm le is the only endian in debian that is supported by now 
Nov 09 23:11:48 <widrone_> the eb builds on buildd.net are not accepted as a proper branch yet. 
Nov 09 23:12:08 <tzanger> ahh
Nov 09 23:12:37 <widrone_> That and my uname -a... Linux LKG7F3C0B 2.6.17-2-ixp4xx #1 Thu Sep 14 13:29:00 UTC 2006 armv5tel
Nov 09 23:13:32 <widrone_> there is a deian installer for etch (the rc1) availible that was just made a week ago you see. 
Nov 09 23:13:50 <tzanger> :-)
Nov 09 23:13:59 <widrone_> Still got that intel network driver hanging around, the only thing not open sourced in there. 
Nov 09 23:14:22 <widrone_> But rumor is that code is being tested for a new open version to be included instead. 
Nov 09 23:14:36 <widrone_> You can tell Im being excited, huh? =) 
Nov 09 23:14:42 <tzanger> not at all
Nov 09 23:14:45 <tzanger> :-)
Nov 09 23:18:52 <widrone_> That makes me smile, monotone buildtime on a slug; 40 days 2 hours 31 min
Nov 09 23:18:59 <tzanger> haha
Nov 09 23:19:38 <widrone_> Squashed to bits by mips arch building amarok in 193(!) days, omg. 
Nov 09 23:20:26 <tzanger> who in their right mind tried to build a KDE app on that little processor?!
Nov 09 23:21:14 <widrone_> autobuilders, they do em all by scripts. 
Nov 09 23:21:27 <tzanger> insanity
Nov 09 23:21:30 <tzanger> total insanity :-)
Nov 09 23:21:39 <widrone_> Do a .deb and put it into the debian system and it spits out all sorts of wierd shit :)
Nov 09 23:21:52 <widrone_> archs that is
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