**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 18 03:00:05 2006 Dec 18 03:42:36 well. I'll figure it out later. goodnite Dec 18 11:42:50 Hello! I noticed that boot scripts has series of echo command for diagnostic purpose. Where do they get written to? Dec 18 13:51:27 hello is anyone here? Dec 18 13:56:55 guess not then :) Dec 18 14:27:57 i am Dec 18 14:36:36 * mwester begins to ponder the metaphysical quesiton about where, precisely, is "here" on an IRC channel? Dec 18 14:38:26 Acuum: Just go ahead and ask your question -- perhaps someone with an answer will respond, or will be by to see your question and respond. Dec 18 15:02:14 anything exciting and shiny new in the nslu2/unslung world mwester ? Dec 18 15:04:14 Naw. Just the ongoing issues with large disk support and Unslung (hard to debug without a large disk ;)), and the discovery that somewhere along the line we've been building Unslung's libc with the headers from the 2.6 kernel... which seems to work, oddly enough! Dec 18 15:04:52 how large is large these days? Dec 18 15:06:08 Unclear. I don't recall issues with 250GB drives, seems to be >250GB -- but erratic. Some folks have successfully used 500GB drives. Dec 18 15:06:30 im on a 500gb, but with bootstrapped debian Dec 18 15:06:49 Issues seem to be specific to Unslung AFAIK Dec 18 15:07:00 gotcha Dec 18 15:08:07 I hate to do it, because it's really "shooting in the dark", but since all works on Openslug and Debian I'm thinking that replacing the Linksys fdisk, fsck, and related tools with newer ones might be necessary. Dec 18 15:08:56 problem is you dont have a large disk, or this sporadic problem occuring at your end Dec 18 15:11:02 yep that's the problem. I have a collection of flash devices and a few small drives (<40GB) to test and develop with, but the aquisition of a 500GB drive that would have to be dedicated to Unslung development is a pricey proposition. I've been hoping to find someone that has such a drive, is experiencing the problem, *and* has a serial port on the NSLU2 -- but no luck so far! :D Dec 18 15:12:16 heh, quite a fwe 'ands' in there Dec 18 16:32:26 Hi -- Has anyone ever had any success installing (building) bridge-utils for unslung? I can find it for openslung but i want it so as to be able to setup openVPN in bridge mode... any advice would be much appriciated im a linux NOOB (sorry) Dec 18 17:19:13 Acuum: I'm running OpenVPN on Unslung with /dev/tun. Do you only need /dev/tap support, or is there another package you need for that? Dec 18 17:29:47 hi there Dec 18 17:31:32 anyone here? :) Dec 18 17:49:24 i want to use openVPN in bridging mode. And for that i believe i need bridge-utils. Dec 18 18:52:10 nabend Dec 18 18:52:42 jemand da der mir wegen meiner slug helfen kann Dec 18 18:52:45 12?14¿12? Dec 18 19:26:12 hello everybody somebody here? Dec 18 19:26:59 hello?? Dec 18 19:27:16 i ahve a hsort question! Dec 18 19:27:18 hello Dec 18 19:27:40 Just ask it, then watch the channel for a while Dec 18 19:27:50 People tend to come and go here Dec 18 19:27:53 roger ;-) Dec 18 19:28:06 do you know someting about the nslu-projekt? Dec 18 19:28:34 is just noticed the DS101 and wanne buy it Dec 18 19:28:39 Nope, you want to ask mwester about that Dec 18 19:28:51 DS101? Dec 18 19:29:07 thats the NAs System from synology Dec 18 19:29:47 Okay, Google came up with http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DS101/HomePage Dec 18 19:29:50 i thikn the projekt here trys to biuld up the functions in that NAS Dec 18 19:31:13 Synology DS-101 ist the exaclty name Dec 18 19:31:37 Probably. Well either ask your question now and somebody may respond, though not right away, or watch the channel until you see mwester talking and ask him, if anyone would know he would. Dec 18 19:31:37 and is it ok if i ask it here? or where else should I? Dec 18 19:32:02 It's okay to ask, just can't guarantee you will get an answer. Dec 18 19:32:11 roger Dec 18 19:32:16 Dumb looks are free. ;) Dec 18 19:32:28 hehe thanks :-) Dec 18 19:32:58 ok now i just wann know if there any possibility to configure and control that Synology NAS from a linux system Dec 18 19:33:05 NSLU2-IRC: difficult to get one this days Dec 18 19:34:36 the synologyCompany just writes out that it is compatibel with mac and win? Dec 18 19:35:47 after you have enabled telnet, you can just do everything with it Dec 18 19:35:48 and before you have to use anyway the web frontend, so there is no difference between linux or windows Dec 18 19:36:11 you asked about configuration Dec 18 19:36:18 notabout usage Dec 18 19:36:37 s/notabout/not about/ Dec 18 19:36:37 gda_ meant: not about usage Dec 18 19:36:59 hmm difficult Dec 18 19:37:07 you can mount samba shares from linux Dec 18 19:37:47 after you added a kernel module from me, you can use nfs too Dec 18 19:38:09 ok and its also possible to give folder read/write-rihgts from linuxOS out? Dec 18 19:39:15 not clear what you mean, you control the access rights with the ownership of the users Dec 18 19:39:54 you set the access rights on the diskstation, not on your linux os Dec 18 19:40:21 and you can do it via web, telnet or ssh Dec 18 19:40:22 yes thats right from WEB interface, I know Dec 18 19:41:13 so what is you question? Dec 18 19:41:49 but on synoligy.com stands that this only comptible wirh mac and win system to use that webinterface? Dec 18 19:42:36 send me a link Dec 18 19:42:41 mom Dec 18 19:43:19 http://www.synology.info/de/disk-station-ds101j-specification.html Dec 18 19:43:55 on the right side under suported clients Dec 18 19:44:16 thats what me makes confused!? Dec 18 19:44:20 I remember now, there are some windows clients Dec 18 19:44:51 the client for the download manager works with wine too, but Dec 18 19:45:44 the frontend for the fresh setup after you have crashed it totally works from windows only Dec 18 19:45:52 hmm whats wine? Dec 18 19:46:03 Hello everyone. The boot scripts are doing echos command to help the diagnostic. Where those get written, I don't semms to find them in dmesg or /var/log/messages Dec 18 19:46:39 so it is never possible to get it "controlled" from a linux derivate? Dec 18 19:46:52 you use linux and don't know wine? http://www.winehq.com/ Dec 18 19:47:40 again, what is controlled? I told you, with the web interface, I do it all the time from ubuntu and tinysofa Dec 18 19:47:57 not true, mostly I use ssh Dec 18 19:49:00 hehe not instead iam going to take time to spend some time on it Dec 18 19:49:10 but nerver use it yet ;-) Dec 18 19:49:38 so thats the problem i thijnk to explain ma probs Dec 18 19:49:42 ;-) Dec 18 19:51:06 NSLU2-IRC: langer Worte, kurzer Sinn, es funktioniert mit Linux Dec 18 19:51:20 hehe dnkae dir wow Dec 18 19:51:22 danke dir Dec 18 19:51:32 but from where do you want to get a ds101j Dec 18 19:51:44 they are not produced anymore Dec 18 19:51:58 i just saw some one in ebay Dec 18 19:52:16 and the predecessors are all powerpc powered and a much stronger Dec 18 19:52:29 but let it be, unfortunatiliy Dec 18 19:52:53 as you look: http://cgi.ebay.de/Synology-DS-101g-Gigabit-NAS-Samba-Web-MP3-Server_W0QQitemZ270067370308QQihZ017QQcategoryZ132079QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Dec 18 19:52:58 What is the best way to troubleshoot the booting sequence? Dec 18 19:53:36 that is a ds101g+ not ds101j, much better choice, I own one, but it has a fan Dec 18 19:54:14 hello Dec 18 19:54:37 hello Dec 18 19:54:45 hello Dec 18 19:55:20 yes and there was a ds101j too Dec 18 19:55:45 without fan, slow cpu, small memory, no sata Dec 18 19:56:09 no that was this one here sry: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130058566348&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX&refitem=270067370308&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget Dec 18 19:56:15 i'm questioning whether to buy a slug or not, mostly for use as a cheap linux-like machine. i've seen that the unslung firmware retains the basic slug features, but adds support for "packages". do you get a shell with it too? i can't find it on the wiki Dec 18 19:57:23 hmm unfortunataly i leaver it behind and don'T buy it. :-( Dec 18 19:57:52 but i thik to buy one like Freecom FSG-3 Dec 18 19:58:32 wanted it first, but took the ds101g+ because of the powerpc cpu Dec 18 19:59:30 the xscale cpu from all the other nas have no floating point processor, so they get too slow for some jobs Dec 18 19:59:32 yes but it has a switch? Dec 18 19:59:48 is the ds101 the same as the nslu2 as for functionality and hackability? the store i went to today had both, but i can't remember the price of the 101 (nor if it was a 101 or a 101g+) Dec 18 19:59:49 I had already two Dec 18 19:59:57 wow thats interesting to know Dec 18 20:00:11 two switches Dec 18 20:01:34 i need a one with a switch and a NAS in one Dec 18 20:01:40 Jollino: I think yes, but for the nslu2 you get more stuff, the ds101 should be faster because it can access the harddisk faster Dec 18 20:01:42 so.. Dec 18 20:02:30 a switch is not really expensive, and my fritz!box has some ports too Dec 18 20:03:05 gda_: i don't really mind the absolute speed, as i said i'd use it mostly as a cheap computer for background things Dec 18 20:03:18 i'm just not sure how the unslung firmware "looks". i mean, does it work like a linux machine? Dec 18 20:04:11 I don't use it, but I can say yes Dec 18 20:04:56 hmm right, ma d-link router also has 4 ports but they are all used Dec 18 20:05:01 work like a linux machine is to vague. for instance it obviously has no X capabilities. Dec 18 20:05:26 linux machine without X is still a linux machine Dec 18 20:05:38 yeah still linux but with limits Dec 18 20:05:56 any other machine with X could be a bsd or mac Dec 18 20:06:10 some of the stuff the propellor heads do with it makes the limits seem far beyond my reach tho Dec 18 20:06:11 well, i meant a linux machine used in a serverish fashion Dec 18 20:06:18 no X means not that there are limits Dec 18 20:06:40 i wouldn't even think of running X on an embedded machine designed to be a NAS, so that's not what i was looking for. :) Dec 18 20:06:54 yeah i was stating the obvious i guess Dec 18 20:06:59 Jollino: unslung is made for this Dec 18 20:07:36 anyway, if one installs openslug and a full debian install, and then decides to go back... one can just reflash it with the standard firmware, right? Dec 18 20:07:36 that's the theory Dec 18 20:07:53 so bak to ma main question what habe i to do to use the WEBinterface on a linux machine? or have i to do something? Dec 18 20:08:13 that sounds scary, warlord0 :) Dec 18 20:08:13 you need to install apache Dec 18 20:08:17 NSLU2-IRC: just start firefox Dec 18 20:08:37 warlord0: who has to install apache? Dec 18 20:08:41 ohh but it will have the standard web management interface if that's what you're asking? Dec 18 20:09:00 the ds101 has already apache installed Dec 18 20:09:05 on the linuxmachineok? thats great hehe big THX for your time dudes Dec 18 20:09:14 even if you reflash with debian? Dec 18 20:09:19 apache already there? Dec 18 20:09:38 my diskstation might be one of the few ones that has lighttpd installed too Dec 18 20:09:42 ;) Dec 18 20:10:22 that'd be useful i guess in keeping within the tiny memory model Dec 18 20:11:18 NSLU2-IRC: now there seems to be some confusion. To use the web interface of the ds101 you have just to start your firefox on your linux desktop machine, that is all Dec 18 20:11:36 well cleared up :) Dec 18 20:12:20 the stock ds101 has even php, mysql and postgresql already installed Dec 18 20:12:34 that's very nice Dec 18 20:12:44 oh thats was ma missing answer to make it sure for me that ist works with linux systems thx ;-) Dec 18 20:12:50 the stock nslu2 is a little bit naked ;) Dec 18 20:21:26 ok dudes thank for the help, iam now going to seek some DS-101g ;-) Cu ive bookmarked your side ;-) Dec 18 20:23:26 i'm more and more convinced of getting the slug :P Dec 18 20:24:22 good luck... everywhere i try there out of stock :( Dec 18 20:24:29 got mine on back order Dec 18 20:25:06 oh i was quite surprised to see it at the big computer/tv/etc. store today Dec 18 20:25:08 there was only one Dec 18 20:25:21 i'm pretty sure that if i go in two days it'll be gone Dec 18 20:25:37 heh taken by the local nerdsquad Dec 18 20:25:44 lol Dec 18 20:25:56 i wish there were a nerdsquad around here :) Dec 18 20:26:13 more likely by someone who doesn't understand what it can do Dec 18 20:27:35 indeed Dec 18 20:27:46 they also had cheapish hard drives Dec 18 20:28:10 a 250 GB lacie disk for 79 euros (i paid my 500 GB that i use with my imac 199 euros some months ago, it was now 179) Dec 18 20:28:23 i seem to have a proliferation of 250gb ide drives - what i really want is a usb powered laptop size 120gb drive Dec 18 20:28:39 Since there is actually conversation in this channel today, maybe someone could tell me if there will ever be a webmin package for the unslung NSLU2? Dec 18 20:28:57 i thought i saw a pkg for wbmin? Dec 18 20:29:26 Okay, let me go look see if I missed it.. Dec 18 20:29:52 ahh it's in the wish list Dec 18 20:30:33 i'd like to have a dc++ bot on it though. Dec 18 20:30:56 Dang - if somebody would package that it would make the slug 100x more useful. Dec 18 20:31:09 warlord0: just do it Dec 18 20:31:22 i'll try it... it might work Dec 18 20:31:30 it's a small enough proggy Dec 18 20:31:38 just not sure of the pre-reqs Dec 18 20:31:55 by the way... do all the packages listed on http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/ work with the unslung firmware? Dec 18 20:32:43 i thought that's what it was for? Dec 18 20:33:05 lol ok Dec 18 20:33:06 i was a little confused by all the different firmwares... Dec 18 20:33:16 that makes two of us Dec 18 20:33:34 Install ipkg-web and then you can see what's available and do upgrades, etc. from your browser Dec 18 20:33:37 i just hope mine arrives before christmas so i have a week off to play Dec 18 20:33:43 great, at least i'm not stupid. :) Dec 18 20:34:10 i'm going to the store wednesday hopefully... tomorrow i have no chance to Dec 18 20:34:56 whee there's a python package Dec 18 20:36:48 even asterisk is there, you could make your own sip server or answering machine Dec 18 20:37:09 it all looks so awesome... i just know my brain's gonna get fried. Dec 18 20:37:22 Hmm there's an openssl upgrade, I can't remember if that's the one that hoses the unit so you can't get in except by telnet, or if it's openssh that does that. Dec 18 20:37:26 i admit that the main thing i want a slug is to run tor Dec 18 20:37:49 tor? Dec 18 20:38:05 Jollino: to download nasty things? Dec 18 20:38:09 no Dec 18 20:38:11 I have problems with my nslu and I would like to know how to see the boot sequence messages Dec 18 20:38:16 to host a hidden irc server. :P Dec 18 20:38:25 warlord0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29 Dec 18 20:39:12 to control zombi pcs, I see! Dec 18 20:39:27 zombi pcs? Dec 18 20:39:42 ahh a p2p router/proxy technology? Dec 18 20:39:50 yes Dec 18 20:39:54 windows pcs with trojans infected Dec 18 20:39:57 incidentally, i'm on freenore through tor right now Dec 18 20:39:59 you act as a router for others and they you? Dec 18 20:40:07 gda_: no, tor nodes are volountarily run Dec 18 20:40:26 ahh so it has nodes. Dec 18 20:40:58 http://tor.eff.org/overview.html.en has two clear images of how it works :) Dec 18 20:41:03 three, actually Dec 18 20:42:13 only problem is you're limited to the bandwidth of the weakest link Dec 18 20:42:30 Nope no webmin in the repository Dec 18 20:42:33 it's not a big deal if you use it for occasional browsing and/or ircing Dec 18 20:42:45 webmin is on the wishlist... so who knows? Dec 18 20:42:55 (and openssl updated with no problem) Dec 18 20:43:12 ahh your just done that then wiseoldowl? Dec 18 20:43:12 Does anyone fulfill wishes? ;) Dec 18 20:43:19 Right Dec 18 20:43:24 I will not do the webmin ipk at least, I hate it Dec 18 20:43:39 I think it was openssh that put you back to the stone age of telnet access Dec 18 20:43:44 why make life too easy for us mortals :) Dec 18 20:44:06 webmin doesn't make something easy Dec 18 20:44:27 Matter of opinion. I disagree 10000% Dec 18 20:44:42 if you can fill the fields in webmin p. E. for apache, you could even use vi and edit it yourself Dec 18 20:45:32 Yeah, I could shoot myself too, but I'm not going to do that either. Dec 18 20:45:40 Typical Linux geek attitude Dec 18 20:46:02 Guys like you are the reason guys like me don't run Linux on the desktop. Dec 18 20:46:16 great, a linux fight! Dec 18 20:46:21 Why make life easier for non-geeks? Dec 18 20:46:24 no the linux geek would require you to use a cricket bat, a ball of string and a three legged stool to use the gun :) Dec 18 20:46:34 ROFL Dec 18 20:46:54 Ain't that the truth! Dec 18 20:47:05 lol Dec 18 20:47:33 wiseoldowl: to sad that I am the reason that you don't use linux on the desktop, but to be honest you don't have to ;) Dec 18 20:47:43 i gotta learn more linux than i know. anything to not use vista. Dec 18 20:48:17 warlord0: get a mac? :) Dec 18 20:48:27 now i wouldnt go that far Dec 18 20:48:36 Yeah, well you don't have to have the attitude that it's somehow wrong to make things easier for most of us, but apparently you do. Dec 18 20:48:48 wiseoldowl: I even work on a configuration system to make the life for nongeeks easier, but Dec 18 20:48:58 webmin is the wrong way Dec 18 20:49:17 but in the absence of other tools webmin wins Dec 18 20:49:56 Again a matter of opinion (though if something really is better, lets see it - editing config files with vi is like a trip to hell)] Dec 18 20:49:59 why should a nongeek even know that the is a web server or a samba or ftp server? Dec 18 20:50:22 true. Dec 18 20:50:35 but a semi-geek using vi or web? Dec 18 20:51:10 warlord0: I told you I don't like webmin, but if you want it do it, I wouldn't fight against it Dec 18 20:51:14 Nobody's claiming Webmin is perfect, just that it actually allows mere mortals to get things set up and running. Dec 18 20:51:58 so do you it wiseoldowl Dec 18 20:53:01 Ah, the other canned response of the Linux geek - when confronted by a mere user, tell them to do something they've as much as admitted is far beyond their capabilities. Dec 18 20:53:15 THAT ought to shut them up. Dec 18 20:53:21 Except it never does. :-) Dec 18 20:53:57 wiseoldowl: nonsense, no linux geek is born with this knowledge, they simply started one day to do it Dec 18 20:54:12 What it doe do is make me tell my windows-using friends not to even think of installing Linux unless they are prepared to put up with some real snotty attitudes. Dec 18 20:54:38 Yeah, that and an IQ close to 200... Dec 18 20:54:38 linux geeks have too much time on their hands and no real life... so why is it I still don't qualify? :) Dec 18 20:54:58 And no social skills. ;) Dec 18 20:55:06 wiseoldowl: till now I was really friendly, but on other lists I was named bofh :) Dec 18 20:55:59 named both what? Dec 18 20:56:01 * barnseenio watches Dec 18 20:56:18 10(gda_10): so where do you stand on the "flavour" issue? debian, mandriva, centos? Dec 18 20:56:26 you realise this is more activity than this channel has had in 12 months? Dec 18 20:56:28 best for learning suggestion? Dec 18 20:56:51 Bastard Operator from Hell Dec 18 20:57:08 Not gonna touch that one Dec 18 20:57:30 (if you can't say something nice...) Dec 18 20:58:02 I am one of the maintainer of tinysofa http://tinysofa.org/, I have used it on the server and desktop, but Dec 18 20:58:02 heh i like this one "I reassign null to be the tape device - it's so much more economical on my time" Dec 18 20:58:35 now I use ubuntu on the desktop, because I need a desktop only for opening much ssh sessions Dec 18 20:58:57 i have ubunto in a vmware box Dec 18 20:59:06 but i keep going back to centos Dec 18 20:59:47 more easy to get ubuntu to play dvds than centos Dec 18 21:00:16 i guess i'm more into the p2p services than multimedia on it tho Dec 18 21:00:17 Yeah, I've played with Kubuntu on an older system, but there are programs I use in Windows that just won't run in Kubuntu (even with wine) - mostly audio-related and no equivalent software in the repositories. Dec 18 21:00:50 tinysofa sounds interesting Dec 18 21:01:11 Multimedia is what kills everyone's interest in Linux (I mean everyone that has used Windows for years). Dec 18 21:01:18 at work i find it funny that the servers we run vmware are based on red hat running virtual servers of windows in them. Dec 18 21:01:22 the only windows programs I use are DVD Shrink and DVD Decryptor and they run just fine with wine Dec 18 21:01:35 That is funny. Dec 18 21:02:30 barnseenio: tinysofa is a more modern centos on diet Dec 18 21:02:53 Well I tried using Winamp because there are a couple of Winamp plugins I use heavily... strangely Winamp works IF you can keep its window onscreen, but crashes frequently and its titlebar doesn't display - enough weirdness to drive you crazy. Dec 18 21:02:57 yeah centos is fat! Dec 18 21:03:02 lol Dec 18 21:03:31 The Asterisk PBX runs on CentOS, seems to work pretty well. Dec 18 21:03:41 (Trixbox I should say) Dec 18 21:04:14 well, atm i run windows server 2003 x64 on most servers, i doo have an fbsd box i use for internet hosting though, and of course the slug for home media Dec 18 21:04:40 ahh so what you got on the slug mt-daap? Dec 18 21:04:55 i have the debianslug/xbox combo .. its amazing Dec 18 21:05:08 with mtdaapd for itunes server for home/work Dec 18 21:05:20 and i just samba movies to xbox Dec 18 21:05:28 Then there is another program called Screamer Radio that just will not run under Wine - it has a recording feature that can even "go back in time" and start recording five minutes BEFORE you click the record button (assuming you've been playing a stream that long). Stuff like that. Dec 18 21:05:29 ive been really happy with it Dec 18 21:05:32 can you transfer frrom the mt-daap stream to an ipod? Dec 18 21:05:52 doubt it, but dont know - my ipod died ;-( Dec 18 21:06:02 bum :( Dec 18 21:06:19 i bought a psp instead, i can stream video and audio to that from slug though ;-) Dec 18 21:06:22 i'm planning on using the slug to serve itunes to the kids and wifes pcs Dec 18 21:06:41 looks like i'll have to let them at the smb share too Dec 18 21:07:06 yeah it holds up well for that, i have torrents downloading/movies playing/itunes simlutaenously to 4 pcs without stutter or problems Dec 18 21:07:21 cool Dec 18 21:07:45 it only ground to a halt once early on, when i stupidly installed that torrentflux thing on it Dec 18 21:08:00 mysql/apache/python/php all together kills a slug ;-) Dec 18 21:08:28 even with a big swap partition, barnseenio? Dec 18 21:08:29 ahh nice to know Dec 18 21:09:09 well did for me. although it was early on i didnt have my apps tweaked for performance. i now run a few small hit mysql websites off it, and it holds up ok. Dec 18 21:09:40 i think sqlite is a better proposition if you really need db Dec 18 21:09:56 and lighttpd instead of apache Dec 18 21:10:20 yeah probly for the best. but then i discovered rtorrent Dec 18 21:10:32 and that is such a sweet torrent solution for the slug Dec 18 21:10:42 with php-fcgi it is even faster than apache mod_php Dec 18 21:11:18 sounds cool. i did try lighthttpd when i first installed, but for some reason it didnt work straight away, so i went with apache Dec 18 21:11:52 at work I use it on an embedded car pc, works fine Dec 18 21:11:54 the best part of the home setup is really the xbox media centre, its such a sweet piece of software Dec 18 21:12:09 xbox 360? Dec 18 21:12:14 nah Dec 18 21:13:13 using a universal remote, the whole family can just watch all the videos/music on our collection Dec 18 21:13:30 even the 4 yr old can operate it no problem! Dec 18 21:14:02 well i guess that's usual for kids to program the vcr quicker than the parents Dec 18 21:14:13 heh Dec 18 21:15:32 you using unslung warlord0 ? Dec 18 21:20:13 not yet Dec 18 21:20:18 waiting on the slug Dec 18 21:20:56 any idea how you set the external drives to spin down during insactivity? Dec 18 21:21:02 -s Dec 18 21:23:15 theres a ton of mailing list on that Dec 18 21:23:28 ahh i'll go read some Dec 18 21:23:46 i wonder how long linksys will go on making the slug Dec 18 21:33:16 how much ram does the slug have? Dec 18 21:40:45 16mb Dec 18 21:42:49 hello! Dec 18 21:42:50 i reckon that the unslung firmware prepares a swap partition, then... Dec 18 21:43:59 I stole your bash script to spindown my external usb drive from http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/SpinDownUSBHarddisks - and I made some modifications so that it actually works. anyone can tell me to whom I can write a email and tell them about it? ;) Dec 18 21:44:30 pat, drop into #nslu2-linux and make same announcement Dec 18 21:44:41 will do, thanks Dec 18 21:44:41 cool Dec 19 01:42:47 hello. I've got a problem with mounting a usb disk on my nslu2. "mount -t jffs2 /dev/sda1 /tmp/test" gives "mount: Mounting /dev/sda1 on /tmp/test failed: Invalid argument" Dec 19 01:42:52 can anyone help? Dec 19 01:48:30 meml: jffs2 is for the internal flash memory chip only -- you probably need to use "ext3" or similar for a real disk drive or a flash device. Dec 19 01:50:50 Also, make sure that the "mount-over" directory (/tmp/test) exists before you mount the disk on it. Dec 19 01:56:04 i've got a jffs2 partition on the flash drive Dec 19 01:58:10 Hmmm... the jffs2 docs *do* say that you can (maybe) do that, but I don't think anyone has ever done any work to make such a thing happen for the slug. Dec 19 01:58:38 JFFS2 is not intended for USB flash devices, as they manage their own erase stuff. Dec 19 01:58:58 do they really? Dec 19 01:59:22 I'd be interested in seeing documentation that states that they do Dec 19 02:01:09 Yeah, the docs mention the caveats around attempting to run JFFS2 on top of a block device (such as a disk device, which is what a USB flash device really behaves as). You'll need to google to search out the jffs2 development team's web site to dig up the info. Dec 19 02:01:23 cool Dec 19 02:01:25 May I ask why you are using jffs on a block device? Dec 19 02:01:32 it's a usb key Dec 19 02:01:43 the root fs is on it Dec 19 02:02:25 i hadn't considered that the usb key would perform wear levelling, assumed it didn't, and so opted for jffs2 Dec 19 02:02:52 Ah. I see. Dec 19 02:03:47 ok Dec 19 02:03:55 i've not got ext2 on it Dec 19 02:03:58 **now Dec 19 02:04:22 however, when I try to mount it, it gives me: "mount: Mounting /dev/sda1 on /tmp/test failed: No such device" Dec 19 02:04:28 i've got the device /dev/sda1 in /dev Dec 19 02:04:39 and also fdisk shows the partition Dec 19 02:04:43 does /tmp/test exist? Dec 19 02:04:51 yes Dec 19 02:05:13 * mwester prefers /mnt/xxxx over /tmp/xxxx as sometimes mount gets finicky if /tmp is a ramdisk... Dec 19 02:05:20 my /mnt is currently read only Dec 19 02:05:39 if there's nothing in it that you need, just mount on /mtn Dec 19 02:05:45 er, /mnt I mena Dec 19 02:05:55 (ack! s/mena/mean/) Dec 19 02:06:02 "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /mnt" still fails with "No such device" Dec 19 02:06:26 lol Dec 19 02:06:30 i've just found the problem Dec 19 02:06:34 i haven't got ext2 in my kernel Dec 19 02:06:41 :-) Dec 19 02:07:20 Er, that's a problem! Dec 19 02:07:47 And of course one needs a rootfs to load a kernel module with the filesystem... Dec 19 02:08:01 yup Dec 19 02:11:12 thanks, you pushed me in the right direction **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 19 03:00:00 2006