**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 25 02:59:58 2007 Feb 25 06:27:47 IS anyone around Feb 25 06:27:50 whats good settings for a clietn Feb 25 06:27:56 if your using your NSLU2 for a nfs server Feb 25 07:19:36 hello/ Feb 25 07:19:38 anyonwe here Feb 25 09:51:27 hi Feb 25 09:52:10 can anyone tell me if the 2gb limit has been overcome in the unslung firmware? Feb 25 09:54:26 I've just installed v6.8, and then used IPKG to install OpenSSH. I can SSH into the box using both root and my "custom user". I've updated the passwd and changed the home directory to my user to the folder that is the "root" of my public shared drive Feb 25 09:54:46 shouldn't SFTP work out of the box? I can connect using FileZilla, but i cant download any files.. Feb 25 16:30:55 hi Feb 25 16:33:58 is there anybody? Feb 25 16:36:17 There may be Feb 25 16:36:28 Ask your question, and if someone can help, they will answer Feb 25 16:37:23 hi Feb 25 16:37:50 i 've tried to install nfs server on slugos Feb 25 16:38:30 when i try to connect on the NSLU2 i've this error: (none) user.warn syslog: getfh failed: Operation not permitted Feb 25 16:38:41 someone can help me? Feb 25 16:45:57 correct shares on /etc/exports ? Feb 25 16:47:17 yes... i think Feb 25 16:47:41 "/usr/ 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,all_squash,anonuid=5000,anongid=500)" Feb 25 16:48:51 Feb 26 17:31:02 (none) user.notice syslog: authenticated mount request from 192.168.1.24:997 for /usr (/usr) Feb 25 16:48:51 Feb 26 17:31:02 (none) user.warn syslog: getfh failed: Operation not permitted Feb 25 17:42:23 hallo everybody Feb 25 17:42:52 is th9is the channel also for debian on slug? Feb 25 17:43:05 i have got a big connectivity problem Feb 25 18:37:30 fabbio: explain the problem at least Feb 25 19:12:08 Anyone here running debian etch & rtorrent? Feb 25 19:12:33 hmm Feb 25 19:12:38 im running debianslug and rtorrent Feb 25 19:13:07 barnseenio, Debian NSLU2, or the big-endian one? Feb 25 19:13:28 barnseenio: Are you running 2.6.18-3? There seems to be some issues with safe_sync. Feb 25 19:14:16 jason0_, Is there much work installing Debian NSLU2? Feb 25 19:14:24 Or is it just like the x86 install done over SSH? Feb 25 19:14:30 hmm Feb 25 19:14:33 little endian Feb 25 19:14:56 barnseenio, Ok, that's the one I'm thinking of flashing on mine. Feb 25 19:15:03 ok, been great for me Feb 25 19:15:10 It wasn't too difficult Feb 25 19:15:13 barnseenio, Is it very hard to install if you're used to it on x86? Feb 25 19:15:17 hmm Feb 25 19:15:27 i just followed the wiki Feb 25 19:15:47 i did the one before the installer was recommended Feb 25 19:15:55 bootstrap? Feb 25 19:15:58 Well, it's just "configure network and HDDs in Linksys GUI, reflash, reboot, SSH in and follow the screen?" Feb 25 19:16:09 I followed this page: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ Feb 25 19:16:26 Ah, thanks. Feb 25 19:16:26 oh thats the installer one Feb 25 19:16:26 i didnt do that Feb 25 19:16:27 But isn't the installer broken? Feb 25 19:16:34 no its recommended now i believe Feb 25 19:16:48 ?! Feb 25 19:16:59 jason0_: i built rtorrent myself about 3 months ago + libtorrent Feb 25 19:17:00 [2007-02-11] debian-installer rc1 is currently broken. This problem will be resolved with the releae of rc2, hopefully in about three weeks. Feb 25 19:17:11 barnseenio: what kernel are you running? Feb 25 19:17:13 i cant quite remember the versioin number Feb 25 19:17:15 Well, it's been 2 weeks. Feb 25 19:17:20 theblue: thats new news Feb 25 19:17:27 barnseenio, I bet. Feb 25 19:17:37 i meant installer was recommended route about 4 months ago Feb 25 19:18:01 I was able to run the installer in early february. Feb 25 19:18:01 Linux NSUL2 2.6.16 #1 PREEMPT Thu Jun 8 23:38:13 PDT 2006 armv5tel GNU/Linux Feb 25 19:18:22 barnseenio: that explains why it works for you. Is it possible to downgrade? Feb 25 19:18:33 why what works, rtorrent? Feb 25 19:18:38 yes Feb 25 19:18:53 possible to downgrade what? rtorrent or slug? Feb 25 19:19:00 just downgrade the kernel version Feb 25 19:19:03 or upgrade Feb 25 19:19:07 oh no idea, im a complete newb! Feb 25 19:19:20 it took me a week to get rtorrent to compile on my slug Feb 25 19:19:32 ah Feb 25 19:19:40 and i wasted 3 weeks trying to get a crosscompile environment, which never worked Feb 25 19:19:55 so you ended up compiling natively? Feb 25 19:19:59 yes on slug Feb 25 19:20:02 took all night Feb 25 19:20:10 but worked out in the end ;-) Feb 25 19:20:25 I was able to compile lighttpd in about 20 minutes, I thought it would take a lot longer. Feb 25 19:20:31 now my slug has everything, and i just pray it doesnt break Feb 25 19:21:05 http://peter.korsgaard.com/articles/debian-nslu2.php ? Feb 25 19:21:12 I've been running torrentflux but it's flakey. Feb 25 19:21:16 urgh Feb 25 19:21:19 i tried it, and hated it Feb 25 19:21:26 ctorrent and rtorrent are great Feb 25 19:21:42 How are your upload speeds with rtorrent? Feb 25 19:21:46 but for me rtorrent is best, with screen, it just works out sweet Feb 25 19:21:47 and memory consumption Feb 25 19:21:57 i get about 4-5mb down Feb 25 19:22:05 which is about the limit of my adsl Feb 25 19:22:24 15186 bb 15 0 29992 10m 9676 S 7.7 37.1 1112:13 rtorrent Feb 25 19:22:38 40% of mem Feb 25 19:22:54 how many torrents is that? Feb 25 19:23:23 about 10 Feb 25 19:23:29 7 inactive Feb 25 19:23:29 not bad Feb 25 19:23:33 3 thrashing down Feb 25 19:54:46 2 questions: Feb 25 19:55:31 Looks like I found some nightly builds of 2.6.18-4, how can I upgrade? Feb 25 19:55:32 1. Is the Linksys USB100TX USB/Ethernet adapter supported for the Debian NSLU2 install, and if so, can I use the official daily snapshot with it? Feb 25 19:55:50 2. How would I use the new key with the unofficial Debian NSLU2 image for a new install? Feb 25 22:15:29 Anyone recommend anything over the NSLU2 that is SlugOS compatible? Feb 25 22:15:54 I'd like a Netgear SC101, but I don't think they have any linux firmwares out. Feb 25 22:20:13 Check www.nslu2-linux.org for info. Personally, I run SlugOS on the older Rev-A DSM-G600, but that's hard to find. There are others, listed on the wiki. Feb 25 22:20:40 Note that they may be better supported in the latest firmware (which you'll either have to wait for, or build yourself)... Feb 25 22:28:12 hey all Feb 25 22:28:23 what settings should I use on a NFS client for my nsl2 Feb 25 22:28:28 it keeps hanging when im copynig things Feb 25 22:28:34 cuz its taking all its bandwidth or something.. Feb 26 00:35:59 \nick gooberjive12 Feb 26 00:39:30 hello. Feb 26 00:41:08 It has been awile since I have played the IRC game.. any change someone coug acknolege my existance here? Feb 26 00:43:14 Hello? Feb 26 00:44:24 sleepy bunch here, I guess. But consider yourself acknowleged. Feb 26 00:44:34 thanks.. Feb 26 00:44:59 I was hoping to learn somthing here.. would that be possible? Feb 26 00:47:01 Quite possibly. The general rules here are to just ask your question; if someone has an answer, they will respond (but be patient, sometimes it takes a while before someone may see your question and respond...) Feb 26 00:48:42 I guess you can't beat that. Question: Feb 26 00:50:22 I have sitting in front of me a nslu2 happly unslung. I would like to understand optware packages such as hotplug-ng that are on the Optware list but do not apear on the ipkg list. Feb 26 00:53:36 Unslung is designed around the Linksys firmware, which dictates a specific (older) Linux version, as well as a specific set of directories for software installation -- packages that are designed for this environment are termed "optware", and are installed by ipkg. Feb 26 00:54:36 SlugOS (aka "OpenSlug") is a standard Linux firmware -- it does not have the restrictions of Unslung. However, software for that firmware is also installed via ipkg. Feb 26 00:55:45 so that means that an unslung system has a subset of the optware packages that it can use because they must be compatable with the linksys software. Feb 26 00:56:06 Well, it's not quite that easy. Feb 26 00:57:56 SlugOS should be able to use "most" any package in optware because it doesn't have the restrictions of Linksys? Feb 26 00:58:05 the set of all ipkgs on the ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org site contains both optware (for Unslung), and non-optware (for SlugOS). Some software is available in both forms. Some only applies to one or the other. Feb 26 00:58:22 ahhhh. Feb 26 00:58:53 And in some cases, some are only built for one, but would be desirable for the other if someone would do the work. Feb 26 00:59:18 In general, optware (for unslung) has the larger set of packages). Feb 26 01:00:09 I am now looking into ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org to see if I can find a tag to tell the differance. Feb 26 01:00:39 Now, just to add further confusion: Linux users and developers are highly creative folks -- if you search the wiki, you might find an article that can tell you how to "force" OpenSlug to run the Unslung Optware packages... Feb 26 01:01:25 I would "assume" the difficulty there very much depends on the dependancies of the module you are trying to cheat. Feb 26 01:02:37 The tag you are looking for is in the "Feeds" -- if it says "optware_nslu2" then it's for Unslung. If it says openslug or debianslug, its for SlugOS. Feb 26 01:04:11 Yes - the dependencies are key. However, much of that is fixed by installing a second libc - one that is the same as the Unslung version. Feb 26 01:06:51 There are two different Debain systems, correct, and only one of the will use ipkg and the other uses apt-get? Feb 26 01:08:48 There was something called "debianslug", that used ipkg. In order to reduce confusion with the official Debian port (using apt-get), that version is now called "SlugOS/LE" (and OpenSlug is "SlugOS/BE"). Feb 26 01:09:38 SlugOS/LE and SlugOS/BE are exactly the same, they just differ in endianness (byte ordering). Feb 26 01:10:00 which means that one of them has a rather limited selection of packages.. Feb 26 01:11:22 Technically, both LE and BE should have the same set of ipkg packages, as the feeds are built from the same source code. However, some applications make assumptions that they shouldn't, so there do tend to be more LE packages and BE... Feb 26 01:11:44 (which is sad, as BE is the One True Endianness, after all! :-D ) Feb 26 01:14:05 BE because it is run nativly on our little processor here? Feb 26 01:15:22 This processor is Bi-endian.. Feb 26 01:15:33 The processor is equally capable of running in either mode, actually. I prefer BE mode only because its what I first learned on. Feb 26 01:17:14 Ok.. one other quick multipart question while I am here: Feb 26 01:17:14 There have been claims that because network-order is BE, the NSLU2 network performance is better in BE, but that may no longer be the case with the new network driver for SlugOS. Feb 26 01:19:02 As I said before it has been awile since I have been in the cluches of IRC, and before it was very much recreational. I see there are quite a few people here. Are most people here just monitoring? Feb 26 01:20:07 Is there a faq somewhere, how about a log? Feb 26 01:20:18 I can't speak for them - perhaps they'll respond, too. I keep IRC open on my desktop, and just check it once in a while to see what's going on. So even though I appear to be signed in 24x7, I may not actually be reading or actively monitoring. Feb 26 01:21:02 Yes, there's a log somewhere -- http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/IRC Feb 26 01:25:17 also http://purl.rikers.org/%23nslu2-linux/ Feb 26 01:25:17 I'm often around, I keep IRC open throughout the day. I run Gentoo on one of my slugs and SlugOS(be) on the other Feb 26 01:25:47 hail to the great Gentoo! Feb 26 01:26:00 any experiance with gphoto? Feb 26 01:26:48 I will soon either have a 64MB slug or a dead slug. 64MB would make Gentoo far more fun on it. Feb 26 01:29:51 mwester, thanks for the help.. Where do the question stop being good ones and start being anoying here? Feb 26 01:30:26 Right before we ignore you. :p Feb 26 01:30:38 lol Feb 26 01:30:51 how about insight into hotplug? Feb 26 01:31:21 joshin: hehehe! Feb 26 01:31:25 I don't understand it's purpose above what is normaly in unslung. Feb 26 01:32:03 hotplug only applies to SlugOS (due to the kernel version being used). Linksys implemented their own hotplug-like functionality. Feb 26 01:32:24 Although Linksys' mechanism is very very limited. :-( Feb 26 01:32:57 If you have access to the usb port after it has been plugged in then hotplug has done its job? Feb 26 01:33:15 Or does it constantly sit between the application and the device? Feb 26 01:33:59 Here's the typical sequence (assume a USB-based audio device, such as headphones or a speakerphone) Feb 26 01:34:13 The device is plugged in; the hardware detects the event. Feb 26 01:34:27 The kernel identifies the device. Feb 26 01:35:12 Hotplug is notified, and executes the matching action(s), which in this case should be to locate the audio drivers, and load them. Feb 26 01:36:01 Once loaded, applications will be able to see the new audio device -- hotplug is no longer involved. Feb 26 01:36:18 so the linksys one is very much aimed at loading storage devices? Feb 26 01:37:13 Yes - it looks for the appearance of the storage device, and then attempts to mount it using different file-system types. Feb 26 01:38:37 so if you want to work in USB land you really need to be away from unslung and in SlugOS Feb 26 01:39:19 IMO, yes you would want SlugOS. Feb 26 01:42:03 * joshin thinks that you would want SlugOS if you have any sort of clue about Linux at all Feb 26 01:42:21 You can then always bootstrap a distribution of your choice on top of it. :) Feb 26 01:43:08 * mwester agrees with joshin, but doesn't want to say so out loud ;) Feb 26 01:43:28 I have already been to the full debian install with access to the BIG package collection. but it took me.. a bajillion hours to get there. Feb 26 01:43:37 And then it wouldn't boot up reliable like. Feb 26 01:44:04 I belive in the linux. Feb 26 01:44:22 I believe in the right tool for the job. I find torturing zealots highly fun. Feb 26 01:44:31 You'll find SlugOS to be rather different. It's designed for small devices like the NSLU2, and it is designed with resiliance (sp?) and recovery in mind. Feb 26 01:44:55 what is the install time like? Feb 26 01:45:05 That's because SlugOS is built with OpenEmbedded Feb 26 01:45:09 15 minutes or less. Feb 26 01:45:17 OpenEmbedded? Feb 26 01:45:30 that is a distro I would assume... Feb 26 01:45:46 Nels: From scratch to a full cross compile environment and a bootable image in 4-5 hours (A64 @2.4ghz) Feb 26 01:45:50 it is a distro maker Feb 26 01:46:40 You would use OpenEmbedded to build the latest version of SlugOS, if you didn't want to start with the prebuilt release (OpenSlug 3.10). Feb 26 01:47:02 * joshin strongly advises against 3.10 since the network performance sucks (especially so on LE systems) Feb 26 01:47:04 gottcha. Feb 26 01:47:45 So a previous assumption that I had that an unslung system was just a SlugOS with a bunch of overhead is now wrong... Feb 26 01:48:33 (happly so) Feb 26 01:48:33 Correct. Feb 26 01:48:36 I'd love for Unslung to be replaced with SlugOS with a GUI... Feb 26 01:48:56 Wouldn't that be OpenWRT on the Slug? :) Feb 26 01:49:09 :-O Feb 26 01:49:58 network performance with OpenSlug 3.10? Feb 26 01:51:41 I did some tests with the Intel driver on 3.10 and found that it was 20% slower for Little Endian systems than Big Endian ones. Feb 26 01:51:57 Recently a new driver was developed for the network device in the NSLU2 -- not only is it (finally) open-source, but its faster and more efficient. Feb 26 01:52:17 is it stable? Feb 26 01:52:22 And for the last month or so, has been stable. :p Feb 26 01:52:27 and what distro does it come with? Feb 26 01:52:37 SlugOS4.* Feb 26 01:52:37 what kind of speed increase are we looking at? Feb 26 01:53:31 The last time I benchmarked it, I was able to max out the 100mbps link on the slug Feb 26 01:53:50 eeewwwww aaaaaahhhhhh Feb 26 01:53:53 I think the CPU load at the time was around 65-75% Feb 26 01:54:01 So a hell of a lot better. Feb 26 01:55:03 * mwester runs SlugOS 4.x on the DSM-G600 -- gigabit NIC and a built-in IDE port. Feb 26 01:55:32 Is this in LE or BE land? Feb 26 01:55:38 BE Feb 26 01:57:31 Be uses the optware packages. where LE uses the debian packages? Feb 26 01:57:56 * joshin uses emerge Feb 26 01:58:01 or paludis Feb 26 01:58:13 Gentoo.. Feb 26 01:58:20 LE can use either optware or debian packages. Feb 26 01:59:21 I only see SlugOS 3.10 Feb 26 01:59:47 Where does 4.* exist? Feb 26 01:59:47 Yep, you have to build your own to get SlugOS 4.x -- it's not quite released yet. Feb 26 01:59:48 Nels: you do know that if you had grabbed a copy of the "master makefile" and run a "make slugosbe or slugosle" when you started this conversation that you would be around 1/3 of the way to your own build of an image. :p Feb 26 02:00:38 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile Feb 26 02:00:47 * mwester wishes it were that easy; it took him half a day to get his Fedora Core 5 environment set up to build anything... Feb 26 02:01:26 If I knew what I was doing.... this would have been over a long time ago! Feb 26 02:01:48 I've had no troubles on Gentoo. I used to have troubles with OpenEmbedded directly on a 64bit machine (when building for my old Zaurus) but that bug seems to be dead Feb 26 02:01:54 unfortunatly........... I have been blessed with a good case of the stupids... and way too much information. Feb 26 02:02:05 Nels: I know. Just overstuffing your brain a bit. :) Feb 26 02:02:22 stuff away.. this is much more effecient than previous attempts... Feb 26 02:02:27 I'm waiting for my Gentoo Slug to finish building glibc 2.5 Feb 26 02:02:30 and all greatly appreshaited. Feb 26 02:02:35 Thank goodness for distcc Feb 26 02:04:39 So my direction now is to burn a SlugOS/BE (3.1) and then .. try to get something done. Feb 26 02:04:58 Nels: OpenSlug 3.10 is a good place to start; the 4.x release should be out fairly soon. Feb 26 02:05:24 * joshin wonders what mwester's definition of fairly soon is Feb 26 02:05:44 * mwester wishes it could be measured in calendar days Feb 26 02:06:22 As soon as it gets enough testing. It's pretty much done -- all the features are done, it seems to run on all platforms. Feb 26 02:06:50 what, besides the netcard are the crowning achievments of 4..? Feb 26 02:06:54 I'm really happy wiith the latest few kernel revisions. My Slugs have been rock solid. Feb 26 02:06:59 2.6.20 Feb 26 02:07:51 platform support; new network driver Feb 26 02:09:26 Why wouldn't I go with LE again? Feb 26 02:09:48 You can if you want. Feb 26 02:10:23 Nels: Have you reclocked your slug at 266mhz? Feb 26 02:10:34 yea. Feb 26 02:11:15 but Mr. Resistor is just tilted up a little and can go back in place at a moments notice. Feb 26 02:11:31 I would assume if the application isn't very deminding that it would be better to be in slow mode. Feb 26 02:11:38 I'm about to do evil things to one of my Slugs... Memory upgrade to 64MB, add a couple more USB ports, add a serial port, and paint the case Banana Slug Yellow. Feb 26 02:11:41 (for power conservation, in a limited power application) Feb 26 02:11:55 Nah, the CPU uses a fraction of a watt. Feb 26 02:12:16 I stuck a spare ramsink I had on it and it runs quite cool. Feb 26 02:12:51 I was hoping to solar power this sucker eventually. Feb 26 02:13:11 remote timelapse.. Feb 26 02:13:45 double the clock quadruple the power.. Feb 26 02:13:52 correct me if I have that wrong. Feb 26 02:14:39 I've pondered that with my other one. But I'd use the panel to charge 8 NIMH cells (4x2) Feb 26 02:14:55 If the CPU was the only power sucking part then you would be right. Feb 26 02:15:06 You have LED's, memory, ethernet ports, and so on. Feb 26 02:15:13 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OverClockTheSlug -- the section about Temperature and power considerations seems to imply that the CPU speed is not an important factor. Feb 26 02:15:26 This was purly in referance to the CPU, I would assume there are several other power drains. Feb 26 02:15:51 This is somthing to optimize after basic functions are realized. Feb 26 02:16:11 I would be perfectly happy at this point if it was sucking 20W. Feb 26 02:17:44 :) Feb 26 02:19:35 I am still working on the LE/BE thing. I remeber there being a comparison chart somewhere.. Feb 26 02:19:54 Nels: What is your goal with the device? Feb 26 02:20:37 A. Become more embedded linux fluent. Feb 26 02:20:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_endian Feb 26 02:20:52 B. Meet people on IRC.. (didn't know this until recently) Feb 26 02:21:18 C. remote capture images from a digital camera. Feb 26 02:21:33 D. Store them and send them on to another location. Feb 26 02:21:46 ---- C ----- Being the kicker right now. Feb 26 02:21:55 I don't think it matters in the slightest which endianness you choose Feb 26 02:22:24 they do have different packages assosaited with them correct? Feb 26 02:22:50 With little endian, you can go with Debian. Whooptie do. Feb 26 02:23:09 OpenEmbedded and Optware have most every package you'd want to run on the slug. Feb 26 02:23:27 Including irssi which is how I am talking to you this evening (my time) Feb 26 02:24:00 Of course if you do get nutty, I can fake a Gentoo stage3 for you. :p Feb 26 02:25:08 Gentoo, is not currently in my vocabulary.. Feb 26 02:25:15 :) Feb 26 02:25:29 and emerge is defined by: loosing hundreds of hours to an unknown force. Feb 26 02:26:01 I would think that global warming has a measurable facter due to "emerge" as well. Feb 26 02:26:27 c02 emmissions + forest fires + emerges.. Feb 26 02:26:54 Nah, global warming is caused by the inefficiency of communistic and socialistic based economies. Feb 26 02:27:05 And by Prescott Feb 26 02:27:21 Prescott + emerge Feb 26 02:27:27 == death Feb 26 02:55:24 ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 26 02:59:59 2007