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Jun 11 09:15:59 <jake_> DOes this look familiar to anyone?
Jun 11 09:16:03 <jake_> # ipkg  upgrade   
Jun 11 09:16:03 <jake_> Upgrading    kernel on root from 2.4.22.l2.3r63-r10 to 2.4.22.l2.3r63-r19...
Jun 11 09:16:03 <jake_> Nothing to be done
Jun 11 09:16:03 <jake_> Collected errors:
Jun 11 09:16:03 <jake_> ERROR: Package kernel (parent kernel) is not available from any configured src.
Jun 11 09:16:03 <jake_> Failed to download kernel. Perhaps you need to run 'ipkg update'?
Jun 11 09:16:05 <jake_> # 
Jun 11 09:16:38 <jake_> I've (naturally) just done an ipkg update immeadiately beforehand
Jun 11 10:58:13 <wally4794> anyone there a help a struggling user with a q???
Jun 11 11:03:36 <wally4794> anyone? :-(
Jun 11 11:04:49 <wally4794> seems everone is away/busy ill try back at teatime :-)
Jun 11 12:23:36 <mwester> jake_: harmless (the kernel package is empty anyway), but that was supposed to have been fixed yesterday.  Try an ipkg update again in some hours, perhaps the mirrors are slow in updating?
Jun 11 15:37:31 <bad-h> When i install Transmission i get "logger: No such file or directory" nomatter how i do
Jun 11 15:38:20 <bad-h> plz give me some new idears on this issue, becouse im totally in the dark
Jun 11 15:39:28 <bad-h> To make my problem more clear. It when i run the "transmission_watchdog" after installing and configuration I get the error message
Jun 11 16:20:26 <Penne> hoi
Jun 11 16:21:06 <Penne> anyone in?
Jun 11 16:24:19 <mwester> ~ask
Jun 11 16:24:20 <capbot> methinks ask is Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Jun 11 16:25:03 <mwester> Penne: just ask your question; many folks are here but only peek in once in a while
Jun 11 16:25:29 <mwester> Be patient.
Jun 11 16:29:29 <jp|Slug> So, I recently aquired an NSLU2 and I'm trying to decide what to do with it.  I'd like to be able to use something like mt-daapd to serve my music across my network but is there anyway to sync my iPod if I centralize everything to an HD connected to the NSLU2?
Jun 11 16:29:40 <Penne> ask :)
Jun 11 16:30:16 <Penne> ok...i own an lcs 8311 with opennas on it...now im sticking with rtorrent.rc
Jun 11 16:30:37 <Penne> i cant put the config file into the /home/username/, cuz that doesnt exists
Jun 11 16:30:47 <Penne> dunno were i can store my rtorrent config
Jun 11 17:19:12 <wally4794> anyone here to help with a q?
Jun 11 17:30:52 <Penne> ?
Jun 11 19:36:31 <scant> i'm confused about the linksys hwclock fix and other various fixes for time
Jun 11 19:37:29 <mwester> so am I
Jun 11 19:39:51 <scant> mwester: what i mean is, with Unslung 6.8, i'm unsure what i should do in terms of time
Jun 11 19:41:45 <scant> should i just set the time manually and then use tickadj 10000 in a startup script and remove hwclock from crontab?
Jun 11 19:41:45 <mwester> a) Nothing - it will drift some amount.  b) use ntp to sync the clock.  c)  use ntpclient to sync the clock .
Jun 11 19:42:19 <mwester> You'll have to comb through the various wiki articles to figure out what the best approach is.
Jun 11 19:42:29 <mwester> Make sure that the article is referring to Unslung, though
Jun 11 19:42:38 <mwester> SlugOS had its own (different) timer problems
Jun 11 19:43:16 <scant> mwester: i think all the time articles don't deal with Unslung, so that's why i'm confused
Jun 11 19:43:28 <mwester> All releases of Unslung, since they use the same kernel, have the same problem: the system is designed to be clocked from a 33.33333333333333333333 MHz crystal, but the one on the circuit board is 33.0
Jun 11 19:44:47 <scant> mwester: Unslung doens't have tickadj
Jun 11 19:46:56 <mwester> scant: that's a bummer!
Jun 11 19:47:09 <mwester> is it available via ipkg?
Jun 11 19:47:21 <mwester> or is it a kernel thing that's not available on 2.4 kernels?
Jun 11 19:47:53 <scant> dunno
Jun 11 19:47:57 <mwester> (if it's availalbe on 2.4.22, I can see if I can add it to busybox in the next Unslung release)
Jun 11 19:48:25 <scant> mwester: i tried ipkg install ipkg, didn't work
Jun 11 19:48:31 <scant> opps ipkg install tickadj
Jun 11 19:49:24 <scant> mwester, if i update the systemclock via ntpclient, i should also sync the hwclock to the system clock, right?
Jun 11 19:50:30 <mwester> Normal practice (which often doesn't apply to the NSLU2) is to set the hwclock when the system clock is synced to a more-accurate source, such as NTP.
Jun 11 19:51:25 <scant> mwester: that normal practice you described can be done with ntpclient and hwclock, right?
Jun 11 19:51:28 <mwester> If you do not use NTP, the system clock is set to the hwclock at boot, then the assumption is that the system clock is more accurate, and the hwclock is set to the system clock at shutdown.
Jun 11 19:51:53 <mwester> The ntp/hwclock stuff is the what the various wiki articles on ntp and ntp client are trying to do.
Jun 11 19:52:14 <mwester> Although I think they have been since fixed, there was at least one of them that had it backwards for a time.
Jun 11 19:52:19 <scant> does all this change if using a turboslug?
Jun 11 19:52:43 <mwester> I guess I would recommend that you read up, figure out what they are doing, and be prepared to correct as necessary.
Jun 11 19:53:01 <mwester> Nothing changes with a turboslug - ticks are handled by hardware.
Jun 11 19:53:18 <scant> so the drift is the same whether or not using a turboslug?
Jun 11 19:53:22 <mwester> Yes.
Jun 11 19:53:46 <scant> mwester: i don't think the wikis say thius, but for Unslung, I think the easiest solution is to just update the tickadj
Jun 11 19:54:12 <mwester> If it works, yes - that should get the clock accurate to within a minute or two per day.
Jun 11 19:54:25 <mwester> or even less, if one is careful and the crystal is good.
Jun 11 19:55:01 <scant> but there is no tickadj for unslung
Jun 11 19:55:17 <mwester> Is that what the package search engine says?
Jun 11 19:55:22 <mwester> (I don't know)
Jun 11 19:56:20 <scant> there is ntp-tickadj, but not for unslung, and i'm not sure that's for the clock
Jun 11 19:57:27 <caplink811-log> probably it is accurate enough to run ntpclient each 20 minutes via crontab, on my slug the time differs ~5seconds, related to my other systems
Jun 11 19:59:10 <scant> i would rather do a three way fix, ntpclient, tickadj, and hwclock, but i don't think tickadj is avail for unslung
Jun 11 19:59:16 <scant> bbl, thx for the discussion
Jun 11 20:09:40 <wallace47> is anyone here fancies lending a hand/ giving some advice?
Jun 11 20:10:40 <caplink811-log> that depends...
Jun 11 20:11:26 <wallace47> hey cap... remember me... im the guy who thought his slug was bricked and managed eventually with your help and a few others to reflash!
Jun 11 20:12:10 <wallace47> anyways it was a while back.. i have a question... when accessing my shared drive my pc/laptop acts really slugish.. takes ages to do anything
Jun 11 20:12:26 <wallace47> new folder, rename folder, moves files etc.. is this normal?
Jun 11 20:13:13 <caplink811-log> your shared drive is the nslu? and your pc is win2k xp vista?
Jun 11 20:13:17 <wallace47> everything hangs for probably a minute before the folder is created/renamed etc
Jun 11 20:13:35 <wallace47> yeah my usb drive attached to the nslu.. im using winxp on both
Jun 11 20:13:56 <caplink811-log> this behaviour is new?
Jun 11 20:14:40 <wallace47> i think so i dont remember it being like this when i was moving all my music/movies over... it is ok if im copying a new file over etc its when i try to move/rename or rearrange etc
Jun 11 20:17:34 <caplink811-log> do you access the nslu via \\name_of_slug\share or \\ip_adr_of_slug\share ?
Jun 11 20:19:01 <barnseenio> and are you connected via wlan or ethernet?
Jun 11 20:19:02 <wallace47> i have the drive mapped as a network drive on the pcs
Jun 11 20:19:23 <wallace47> im connected via ethernet lan on the main pc wirless on the laptop
Jun 11 20:20:21 <barnseenio> file activity for me was slowish over wireless B, (not just to my slug)
Jun 11 20:20:37 <caplink811-log> assuming, that the nslu2 drive is ext3 formatted by the nlsu?
Jun 11 20:20:41 <wallace47> i have draft n wireless but its the same ethernet linked
Jun 11 20:20:49 <wallace47> yeah its ext3
Jun 11 20:24:36 <caplink811-log> just recapitulate, you can create new files (e.g. copy to the shared drive) without any issues, but when you try to modify a file on the drive, there are issues and the slug slows down (~1minute), right?
Jun 11 20:25:12 <wallace47> im not sure if its the slug slowing down but the pc hangs... or takes ages to do anything
Jun 11 20:26:01 <caplink811-log> k, but this only happens, when you try to modify a existing file, not when you copy a file
Jun 11 20:26:12 <caplink811-log> s/a/an
Jun 11 20:26:45 <wallace47> if i click on my share in network places it shows up right away with no delay i can go in to a directoey and out but if i try a second tim ethe pc hangs ... its as if after 15 secs or so after accesing the slug the pc is hanging
Jun 11 20:27:11 <wallace47> or at the very least slowing to a crawl
Jun 11 20:29:29 <mwester> Does the behavior (or behaviour) change if you map the network drive to a drive letter on the PC?
Jun 11 20:29:54 * mwester is dashing from one meeting to another at work...
Jun 11 20:29:57 <wallace47> ive got it mapped on the pc and just as a share in network places on the laptop.. seems the same either way
Jun 11 20:33:55 <caplink811-log> hm, in my environment, "networkplaces" are much slower then mapped drives (thats what i just tried)
Jun 11 20:34:39 <caplink811-log> could be that the delay on accessing large directories is ~15secs
Jun 11 20:35:02 <wallace47> takes longer than that cap and its really fast using dos prompt
Jun 11 20:35:31 <wallace47> this leads me to beleive the slug is fine its the way the pc is interacting/dealing with it which is casuing it to hang
Jun 11 20:36:34 <caplink811-log> something in this direction, maybe, whats about your name resolution, have you tried something like "net view \\name_of_nslu" from the "dos" commandline?
Jun 11 20:37:25 <caplink811-log> it should list all shares on the nslu
Jun 11 20:38:04 <wallace47> gives me a list of shares on the nslu and states command executed correctly
Jun 11 20:38:36 <wallace47> it seems like a problem with windows... shame its so hard to arrange files using dos
Jun 11 20:39:15 <caplink811-log> try midnight commander on the nslu
Jun 11 20:39:36 <wallace47> is that a file utility?
Jun 11 20:39:55 <caplink811-log> equal to the norton commander in dos
Jun 11 20:40:19 <caplink811-log> but this isn't a solution at all
Jun 11 20:40:39 <wallace47> maybe vista might help?
Jun 11 20:40:50 <caplink811-log> probably not
Jun 11 20:41:39 <caplink811-log> if you have it available, you could try it, but you have to modify some network parameters
Jun 11 20:41:45 <wallace47> eventually its ok just very very sluggish to the point its unsuable.. frustrating when trying to make cd1 and cd2 into one directory etc
Jun 11 20:41:46 * mwester is passing through again...
Jun 11 20:42:04 <mwester> classic windows/unix problem here
Jun 11 20:42:21 <wallace47> i think ill use vista as a last resort as ive got everything as i like it at the mo with xbmc etc
Jun 11 20:42:32 <mwester> Windows directory listing requires much information about each file, even if it only lists the name.
Jun 11 20:42:43 <barnseenio> xbmc is great isnt it
Jun 11 20:42:47 <mwester> The windows filesystem and API is designed to satisfy this need.
Jun 11 20:42:54 <wallace47> yeah xbmc is amazing
Jun 11 20:42:56 <mwester> Howver, *nix systems do not do that.
Jun 11 20:43:23 <mwester> On a *nix system, it is fast to fetch the names, but a stat() system call is required for each file to get the additional info.
Jun 11 20:43:40 <wallace47> so its basically a unix/windows problem.. nothing physically wrong anywhere
Jun 11 20:43:55 <mwester> So, based on the symptoms described here, there is little that can be done other than fewer files in each directory.
Jun 11 20:44:18 <barnseenio> listing large(ish) number of files is fast for me in windows xp/samba/nslu2
Jun 11 20:44:33 <wallace47> strange... 
Jun 11 20:44:55 <caplink811-log> barnseenio, mapped drive, or "network places"?
Jun 11 20:45:01 <mwester> (some filesharing tools try to help by offering dummy information to avoid the stat() calls, others require much caching, but all have the same issues - directory listing is a lot of work for the NSLU2)
Jun 11 20:45:21 <wallace47> ah well guys it seems nothing can be done... ah well thanx guys
Jun 11 20:45:30 <mwester> Define "large(ish)" folks.
Jun 11 20:45:37 <barnseenio> mm, i have a host entry for slug on my windows pc, and i just access with share name \\slug\public\films
Jun 11 20:45:57 <barnseenio> ok music folder is 578 folders
Jun 11 20:46:07 <barnseenio> and 245 files
Jun 11 20:46:16 <mwester> In a single directory?
Jun 11 20:46:19 <barnseenio> yes
Jun 11 20:46:19 <wallace47> i have maybe 150/200 directorys in my music folder and each cd has the usual 10-20 mp3s
Jun 11 20:46:29 <barnseenio> an inexact timing, tells me it took around 2seconds to list
Jun 11 20:46:43 <barnseenio> perhaps 3
Jun 11 20:46:46 <mwester> the problem isn't listing same, it's when something changes.
Jun 11 20:46:56 <wallace47> do you use standard windows explorer to view your slug contents barn?
Jun 11 20:47:11 <barnseenio> mixture of explorer, and directory opus
Jun 11 20:47:16 <barnseenio> (which is great btw)
Jun 11 20:47:58 <mwester> Try renaming a file from explorer, and time how long the directory refresh takes...  that might be a better reference.  Both windows and the samba server on the NSLU2 will cache the data.
Jun 11 20:48:05 <wallace47> ill try that barn....see if its any better 
Jun 11 20:48:22 <barnseenio> renamed dir took < 1second
Jun 11 20:48:32 <barnseenio> refresh took < 1 second
Jun 11 20:48:58 <barnseenio> add new file
Jun 11 20:49:07 <barnseenio> its kinda almost instant here for me atm tbh
Jun 11 20:49:26 <wallace47> 30 secs and counting
Jun 11 20:49:31 <barnseenio> things improved loads for me when i went from wireless B to G
Jun 11 20:49:33 <barnseenio> lol ^ 
Jun 11 20:49:45 <wallace47> mine def inst a wireless issue
Jun 11 20:49:45 <barnseenio> something not right there ;-)
Jun 11 20:50:01 <mwester> wallace47: 30 secs with 350 entries???
Jun 11 20:50:04 <wallace47> there its done prob 30/40 secs
Jun 11 20:50:14 <wallace47> yeah i renamed one folder
Jun 11 20:50:16 * mwester thought wallace was complaining about 3 - 4 seconds!
Jun 11 20:50:24 <wallace47> lol nope
Jun 11 20:50:33 <mwester> wallace47: something is not configured right - that's not normal at all!
Jun 11 20:50:53 <wallace47> what could be configured wrong?
Jun 11 20:50:55 <barnseenio> i once had a funny issue in windows, where windows kept trying to connect to a pc which was on work lan, and when i got home certain operations were still looking up that pc, and waiting 30-60 seconds before giving up
Jun 11 20:51:31 <barnseenio> i'd started an executable on this remote machine, and windows had added some crap in the registry, binding something to this machine
Jun 11 20:51:38 <mwester> Authentication, name resolution -- google info on Samba, that will provide a lot of help in tracking this down.
Jun 11 20:51:54 * mwester bets that it's an authentication issue.
Jun 11 20:52:07 <barnseenio> have you created a mapped drive?
Jun 11 20:52:15 <wallace47> samba/ ip name resolution you mean?
Jun 11 20:52:22 <wallace47> yes have a mapped drive
Jun 11 20:52:37 <barnseenio> in dos whats it say when you type net use
Jun 11 20:54:07 <wallace47> gives me my shares and says ok
Jun 11 20:54:23 <barnseenio> did you say it was fast when renaming/listing in dos?
Jun 11 20:54:30 <wallace47> yeah instant
Jun 11 20:54:52 <barnseenio> heh sucks
Jun 11 20:55:01 <barnseenio> try directory opus
Jun 11 20:55:09 <barnseenio> although cant imagine its doing much different to explorer
Jun 11 20:55:12 <barnseenio> its just a nicer ide
Jun 11 20:55:19 <barnseenio> err, ui
Jun 11 20:56:42 <wallace47> ive just been in and out of a folder with 3 files in about ten times instantly... tried again with one with 14 files and it was fine first time so i came out and tried again and explorer has as good as hung 
Jun 11 20:57:10 <wallace47> bout 20 secs it took to come back out
Jun 11 20:57:45 <wallace47> went back in instantly but has slowed again to a crawl coming out
Jun 11 20:58:14 <barnseenio> sorry dude, sounds like its sucking
Jun 11 20:58:47 <wallace47> well im off to watch a movie.. ala xbmc.. thanx for the advice guys
Jun 11 23:17:52 <Woppe> Which is the best web server software for NSLU2?
Jun 11 23:19:09 <leesiulung> Woppe: apache probably?
Jun 11 23:19:29 <leesiulung> Are there even any other options?
Jun 11 23:19:52 <caplink811-log> assuming, something with a small memory footprint may be better, but that depends on the needs
Jun 11 23:20:22 <caplink811-log> there are some examples on the wiki
Jun 11 23:30:37 <eno> w3m -dump http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Packages | grep -i 'web server'
Jun 11 23:31:27 <eno> returns: apache, appweb, cherokee, lighttpd, and nginx
Jun 11 23:31:44 <eno> there's also thttpd
Jun 11 23:32:11 <eno> i believe all of which can serve php
Jun 11 23:34:34 <eno> there're also computer language specific web servers / web framework, like cherrypy, rails, erlang yaws, squeak seaside ...
Jun 11 23:38:41 <mwester> Apache is actually a poor choice for the NSLU2, due to the memory footprint compared to the others designed for small systems (such as lighttpd, cherokee).
Jun 11 23:42:17 <leesiulung> mwester: I did not even realize this... Then again my use is super light, at most a dusin programmers using subversion. However, it makes sense that there are others... Would you recommend me to swap to one of the other web servers for subversion use?
Jun 11 23:43:23 <mwester> It's a matter of support.  If one of the others is supported by subversion, you might have better performance results.  But smaller footprint comes at a cost, and often that cost is that the smaller web servers lack advanced features.
Jun 11 23:43:59 <mwester> My suggestion would be to get it working with apache first, then if performance is a problem, see if you have other options.
Jun 11 23:54:11 <Lunar_Lamp> mwester, I think apache worked best on debian (compared with unslung anyway) in my experience.  Would you agree with that?
Jun 12 00:06:20 <mwester> Lunar_Lamp: Hmm.... perhaps.
Jun 12 00:06:41 <mwester> Unslung has a non-standard directory structure that get's in the way of apache, no doubt.
Jun 12 00:06:54 <Lunar_Lamp> I didn't want to state it as fact, as I haven't really pushed apache hard on the slug.
Jun 12 00:07:10 <mwester> Unslung also has an existing web server that gets in the way, and it has many other services that consume memory (samba being the largest).
Jun 12 00:07:26 <mwester> So I think that Unslung has characteristics that make Apache more difficult.
Jun 12 00:07:27 <Lunar_Lamp> Yeah, I think it's memory that is more of an issue than dir structure.
Jun 12 00:07:47 <Lunar_Lamp> (tbh, most of my web servers end up using 'odd' dir structures anyway)
Jun 12 00:08:17 <mwester> On the other hand, one can also say that the typical user of Debian or OpenSlug is more Linux-experienced than the typical Unslung user, so I wonder if that may be also a factor in the ultimate success of Apache implementations?
Jun 12 00:08:39 <Lunar_Lamp> That could well be a factor.
Jun 12 00:10:03 <mwester> I certainly felt that Unslung was the "easier" of the platforms when I first began working with them, but I've since come to the conclusion that Unslung is like trying to learn a language by studying an obscure dialect instead of the mainstream language.
Jun 12 00:11:32 <mwester> Unslung is an excellent way to "extend" the Linksys Network Storage Device -- but Debian and OpenSlug are the better ways to implement something big, rather than "adding on" a few things to Linksys code.
Jun 12 00:11:35 <Lunar_Lamp> Really? I found unslung very hard to work with - partly possibly though as I found it hard to google for help.
Jun 12 00:13:00 <mwester> That's my point -- I *thought* it would be easier because of the GUI and all, and I found that the oddities of Unslung meant that I had to "translate" all the standard Linux documentation (for example, it's not /etc/xinetd.d, it's /opt/etc/xinetd.d - what a pain!)
Jun 12 00:16:36 <Lunar_Lamp> Yeah, now it makes sense that /opt is where most of the intersting stuff is, but at the time, it seemed random where files were located.
Jun 12 00:16:44 <Lunar_Lamp> (i.e. standard way or in /opt)
Jun 12 00:17:03 <unlink> what do people run on their NSLU2s?
Jun 12 00:22:09 <kapookee> unlink: meaning firmware or applications?
Jun 12 00:24:08 <scant> unlink: MPD
Jun 12 00:24:21 <unlink> applications.
Jun 12 00:24:22 <scant> mwester: are you here? can we discuss time again?
Jun 12 00:24:28 <unlink> scant: mpd? with what output device?
Jun 12 00:24:37 <unlink> scant: you mean with icecast?
Jun 12 00:24:43 <scant> unlink: a USB audio device
Jun 12 00:24:48 <unlink> oh snap
Jun 12 00:25:53 <unlink> scant: and a usb hard drive on the other port i imagine?
Jun 12 00:26:42 <scant> unlink: no I got 2 hubs, and if you are using unslung there are compat. issues with USB 1.x devices with USB 2.0 hubs
Jun 12 00:27:04 <unlink> scant: what mpd clients do you use, btw?
Jun 12 00:27:24 <scant> unling: GMPC/Win
Jun 12 00:27:31 <unlink> hmm
Jun 12 00:27:51 <unlink> that's pretty sleek
Jun 12 00:27:59 <scant> to be honest, i don't think many people here use MPD, they go with iTunes or shoutcast servers instead
Jun 12 00:28:11 <unlink> i used to do mpd, just not on my slug
Jun 12 00:28:20 <unlink> for a long time, too, i worked on some clients
Jun 12 00:28:39 <scant> seperating music playing and computers is a big plus for me... i don't like how music playing is attached to a computer i'm currently using
Jun 12 00:29:02 <unlink> well, only my desktop has any good of speakers
Jun 12 00:29:30 <scant> since i use windows, i don't like it when i reboot, my music stops
Jun 12 00:29:32 <pierrelux> unlink: I've been using a slug for a robot (machine vision using a webcam)
Jun 12 00:29:34 <unlink> i'm surprised the nslu2 has the horsepower to drive the audio device
Jun 12 00:30:13 <unlink> i completely owned it this morning by refreshing a few too many times on a little CGI script. ouch.
Jun 12 00:30:19 <scant> pierrelux: what? you are doing image recognition?
Jun 12 00:30:21 <unlink> couldn't log in for hours.
Jun 12 00:31:07 <scant> unlink: it uses softfloat for flac and ogg
Jun 12 00:32:07 <unlink> ah
Jun 12 00:32:10 <unlink> stock mpd?
Jun 12 00:32:32 <pierrelux> scant: color detection, connected component analysis, xy to xz mapping
Jun 12 00:33:18 <scant> mpd is in the ipkg repository, but when it wasn't i didn't modify it much to natively compile, i'm a newb to linux though
Jun 12 00:33:29 <scant> pierrelux: what is connected component analysis
Jun 12 00:33:38 <pierrelux> the xz mapping is still in progress though... I haven't tried yet on the slug
Jun 12 00:33:45 <unlink> brb
Jun 12 00:34:08 <pierrelux> once you got the pixel that correspond to a particular color, you have to "connect" coherent objet from those isolated pixels
Jun 12 00:34:35 <pierrelux> you form "blobs" of pixels
Jun 12 00:35:12 <pierrelux> and then you can fit a bounding box around it and find its center, barycentre etc...
Jun 12 00:35:14 <scant> pierrelux: got it
Jun 12 00:35:45 <scant> pierrelux: that's cool, are you doing it for school?
Jun 12 00:36:10 <pierrelux> for fun... and for Eurobot 2007 contest
Jun 12 00:36:51 <scant> cool
Jun 12 00:37:00 <unlink> i used to use my slug for backups...but it was too slow
Jun 12 00:37:15 <unlink> also for webserving, but same problem there
Jun 12 00:37:37 <unlink> but i still use it for arm development
Jun 12 00:38:34 <pierrelux> unlink: is your slug de-underclocked ?
Jun 12 00:38:59 <unlink> yes
Jun 12 00:39:58 <scant> uplink: what do you develop in arm?
Jun 12 00:42:11 <unlink> i'm working on a retargetable compiler
Jun 12 00:42:18 <unlink> which has an arm backend
Jun 12 00:44:20 <scant> unlink: you must be an expert programmer
Jun 12 00:46:58 <unlink> not really
Jun 12 00:50:21 <unlink> the slug seems to be able to handle irssi just fine
Jun 12 00:57:47 <scant> unlink: are you using unslung?
Jun 12 01:08:38 <unlink> debian
Jun 12 01:11:39 <scant> nice, i use unslung
Jun 12 01:15:12 <unlink> i just switched
Jun 12 01:15:34 <unlink> there just wasn't enough software with whatever i was using...it was ipkg based
Jun 12 01:16:00 <unlink> not to say it was bad, it was quite good in fact
Jun 12 01:16:54 <scant> yeah
Jun 12 01:17:30 <scant> i don't think i'm gonna switch, but i can have a better setup if i switch to openslug
Jun 12 01:19:00 <unlink> openslug, that's it
Jun 12 01:19:30 <unlink> i love the debian port. it's really killer.
Jun 12 01:20:03 <scant> i'm a linux newb, but i have a mythtv box up, with the help of knoppmyth
Jun 12 01:21:59 <unlink> oh
Jun 12 01:23:21 <scant> haha, yeah.
Jun 12 01:24:27 <unlink> the debian installation is so easy!
Jun 12 01:24:30 <unlink> it's ridiculous.
Jun 12 01:30:22 <scant> for the slug?
Jun 12 01:31:39 <unlink> yeah.
Jun 12 01:31:45 <unlink> it's too easy. it's un-debian.
Jun 12 01:45:55 <scant> heh, though it's for specific hardware
Jun 12 01:53:58 <unlink> huh>
Jun 12 01:56:37 <scant> i was thinking the constraints on the hardware would make it easier to install and setup
Jun 12 02:07:31 <unlink> in fact the specialized requirements of the hardware make it more difficult to get the installer to run on it
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