**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 04 02:59:56 2007
Jul 04 13:06:58 <Matt-W> Is it normal for upslug2 to pause at about 75% done with a timeout indicator (*) and then sit there thrashing at the network?
Jul 04 13:37:08 <Matt-W> ahah! now it works. no idea why, but it does.
Jul 04 19:02:12 <leesiulung> ohio...
Jul 04 19:02:54 <[Jared]> ?
Jul 04 19:13:26 <[Jared]> I have a question...if I get a new nslu2 and plug the hd into it for my current nslu2
Jul 04 19:13:49 <[Jared]> if the new nslu2 has the same firmware, will it work with the hard drive
Jul 04 19:14:02 <[Jared]> like, be in the same state as the old nslu2 with it
Jul 04 19:15:13 <Matt-W> I don't see why not
Jul 04 19:15:20 <Matt-W> although I only got into this today
Jul 04 19:15:47 <Matt-W> but I wouldn't have thought it'd be any different to swapping the root disc on a more conventional linux system
Jul 04 19:16:45 <[Jared]> well, I might take a risk today that would destroy my nslu2...so I might have to get a new one
Jul 04 19:17:08 <[Jared]> and I really don't want to go through the countless hours again I have spent setting this thing up
Jul 04 19:17:21 <Matt-W> is the risk worth the reward?
Jul 04 19:17:30 <[Jared]> not really
Jul 04 19:17:36 <[Jared]> but I really really want to try
Jul 04 19:17:52 <[Jared]> the risk involves giving the nslu2 6V instead of 5V
Jul 04 19:17:59 <Matt-W> why?
Jul 04 19:18:05 <[Jared]> UPS
Jul 04 19:18:47 <[Jared]> I got a $10 UPS that is for phones, but will work with the nslu2.......but the lowest output is 6V
Jul 04 19:19:07 <[Jared]> if it works, it would keep my nslu2 on during power outages (essentially an always on solution)
Jul 04 19:20:44 <[Jared]> but I'd rather lose money than my setup
Jul 04 19:21:02 <[Jared]> much more concerned about the setup then the money to replace that is
Jul 04 19:21:07 <Matt-W> mmm
Jul 04 19:21:27 <[Jared]> only like $45 on eBay
Jul 04 19:22:01 <Matt-W> well I wouldn't do it, but then I only got mine this morning
Jul 04 19:22:19 <Matt-W> it looks very silly next to the 500GB drive that goes with it
Jul 04 19:22:41 <[Jared]> cool
Jul 04 19:22:44 <[Jared]> enjoying it?
Jul 04 19:22:47 <Matt-W> yes
Jul 04 19:22:53 <Matt-W> had a bit of trouble flashing the debian installer
Jul 04 19:22:57 <Matt-W> but sorted it out somehow
Jul 04 19:22:58 <[Jared]> these nslu2s are about the coolest little devices I've come across
Jul 04 19:23:15 <[Jared]> I just have unslung on mine
Jul 04 19:23:16 <Matt-W> being able to put a full-blown linux distro on it is just amazing
Jul 04 19:23:27 <Matt-W> I considered that, but I'm an incurable dabbler
Jul 04 19:23:42 <[Jared]> yea, its pretty cool everything these things can do
Jul 04 19:23:45 <Matt-W> ubuntu on my laptop, gentoo on my desktop, rockbox on my mp3 player, so why not debian on my slug :-)
Jul 04 19:23:53 <[Jared]> have you removed the underclock yet?
Jul 04 19:23:59 <Matt-W> no
Jul 04 19:24:04 <[Jared]> I would do that
Jul 04 19:24:12 <Matt-W> I wanted to make sure it all worked in principle before I started mangling the hardware
Jul 04 19:24:13 <[Jared]> really speeds them up
Jul 04 19:24:22 <[Jared]> there's not much risk in it
Jul 04 19:24:29 <[Jared]> I have removed them from about 25 of them
Jul 04 19:24:34 <[Jared]> never a problem
Jul 04 19:24:38 <[Jared]> I use finger nail clippers
Jul 04 19:24:44 <Matt-W> it looks pretty doable
Jul 04 19:24:45 <[Jared]> works like a charm
Jul 04 19:24:49 <[Jared]> very easy
Jul 04 19:24:53 <[Jared]> hardest part is getting the case open
Jul 04 19:25:00 <Matt-W> shame my electronics kit is in my parents' loft
Jul 04 19:25:08 <[Jared]> don't need any kit
Jul 04 19:25:11 <Matt-W> a hundred miles away
Jul 04 19:25:15 <[Jared]> maybe an antistatic band
Jul 04 19:25:19 <Matt-W> but yeah I can do it with something else
Jul 04 19:25:59 <[Jared]> I used mine for like a year with it at 133Mhz
Jul 04 19:25:59 <Matt-W> oooh guess what
Jul 04 19:26:04 <Matt-W> I just got mine and it says
Jul 04 19:26:05 <[Jared]> I noticed a huge improvement at 266
Jul 04 19:26:08 <Matt-W> BogoMIPS        : 266.24
Jul 04 19:26:13 <[Jared]> awesome
Jul 04 19:26:18 <[Jared]> you got one with it already gone
Jul 04 19:26:22 <Matt-W> yeah!
Jul 04 19:26:30 <[Jared]> they made some, for like a couple months, without it
Jul 04 19:26:33 <Matt-W> must be my lucky day
Jul 04 19:26:51 <[Jared]> yep
Jul 04 19:27:34 <[Jared]> what are you going to use yours for?
Jul 04 19:27:40 <Matt-W> file server and DAAP server
Jul 04 19:27:51 <[Jared]> mines has a webserver with php, file server, print server
Jul 04 19:27:51 <Matt-W> possibly SMTP as well
Jul 04 19:27:55 <[Jared]> thats my main uses
Jul 04 19:27:59 <Matt-W> considering print server as well
Jul 04 19:28:04 <[Jared]> must do print server
Jul 04 19:28:09 <[Jared]> that's a must
Jul 04 19:28:15 <Matt-W> but since my printer doesn't have full linux support, I might as well just leave it plugged into the windows box for now
Jul 04 19:28:24 <[Jared]> idk
Jul 04 19:28:33 <[Jared]> I plugged my printer into it after I installed cups
Jul 04 19:28:34 <[Jared]> and lala
Jul 04 19:28:38 <[Jared]> no config or anything
Jul 04 19:28:39 <[Jared]> it worked
Jul 04 19:28:57 <[Jared]> I would give it a try
Jul 04 19:29:02 <[Jared]> you can't possibly hurt anything
Jul 04 19:30:19 <[Jared]> want to see the coolest thing ever done with a nslu2
Jul 04 19:30:20 <[Jared]> imo
Jul 04 19:30:42 <Matt-W> oookay... mt-daapd is installing X!
Jul 04 19:31:05 <[Jared]> http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/ProjectSilver/Overview.aspx
Jul 04 19:31:07 <[Jared]> check that out
Jul 04 19:32:19 <Matt-W> that... is utterly mad
Jul 04 19:32:54 <[Jared]> its utterly awesome
Jul 04 19:36:19 <[Jared]> you can even run cat5 cable to it and no one would suspect a thing
Jul 04 19:36:30 <[Jared]> because they would just think its being surge protected
Jul 04 19:36:43 <Matt-W> bit paranoid
Jul 04 19:51:59 <leesiulung> [Jared]: I think it was pretty cool, not something I would do myself... none the less a good idea
Jul 04 19:58:33 <Lunar_Lamp> [20:30:24] <[Jared]> http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/ProjectSilver/Overview.aspx <== brilliant 
Jul 04 19:58:36 <Lunar_Lamp> I really like that.
Jul 04 19:58:58 <[Jared]> :)
Jul 04 20:00:07 <[Jared]> any of you know if giving the nslu2 is 6V instead of 5V would be bad
Jul 04 20:00:14 <[Jared]> I need to find a channel with eletrical experts
Jul 04 20:22:52 <leesiulung> [Jared]: My guess is it would be find, but in theory you can just add a resistor to drop that voltage down
Jul 04 20:23:14 * caplink811-log thinking about the ages of discovery.... just try it out, maybe the result is a kind of funny fume, or it works as expected
Jul 04 20:24:10 <leesiulung> What is the recommended file format for external hard drives intended for use of sharing media using Unslung?
Jul 04 20:26:42 <[Jared]> caplink811-log, there's a chance of it frying the slug right away though
Jul 04 20:27:33 <caplink811-log> leesiulung, ext3
Jul 04 20:27:56 <caplink811-log> [Jared], dunno
Jul 04 20:28:50 <leesiulung> caplink811-log: The only way to get this is to plug the drive into the slug and format it there uh.... I kind of wnated to unhook the external drive from time to time and hook it straight to PC for faster transfer....
Jul 04 20:28:53 <[Jared]> oh what the heck, I know I will pay (littery) for this
Jul 04 20:28:58 * [Jared] will try
Jul 04 20:29:34 <leesiulung> [Jared]: You can always pull out a volt meter... measure the the voltage and resistance;... deteremine what resistor you need and plug it in serial between the DC adapter and the slug
Jul 04 20:29:39 <Matt-W> hurrah, my slug's showing up in itunes
Jul 04 20:29:43 <[Jared]> caplink811-log, my hard wouldn't possibly be affected would it
Jul 04 20:29:46 <Matt-W> and rythmnbox
Jul 04 20:29:51 <[Jared]> its not powered by the nslu2
Jul 04 20:30:25 <[Jared]> Matt-W, this will not use the nslu2 power adapter
Jul 04 20:33:29 <caplink811-log> leesiulung, if it is a win box, there are tools like ext2.ifs which supports ext2/3 access
Jul 04 20:34:25 <leesiulung> caplink811-log: what is the benefit of using ext3 over ntfs or even fat32? (I'm not questioning your choice, but rather would like to get a better understanding)
Jul 04 20:35:03 <caplink811-log> there is no access control with ntfs/fat32
Jul 04 20:35:40 <caplink811-log> and you asked about recommended...
Jul 04 20:38:32 <leesiulung> caplink811-log: ohhhh.... that is kind of significant
Jul 04 20:38:53 <[Jared]> Result: nslu2 would not turn on with the 6V supply
Jul 04 20:39:10 <[Jared]> It booting right now again though with the reg 5V adapter
Jul 04 20:39:31 <[Jared]> nslu2 must have some sort of protection or whatnot
Jul 04 20:57:34 <leesiulung> resistor....
Jul 04 21:47:07 <mwester-laptop> leesiulung: NTFS driver provided by Linksys for Unslung is buggy and will crash the NSLU2.
Jul 04 21:47:28 <mwester-laptop> Jared: resistor is a bad idea; it will vary the voltage according to load based on ohm's law.
Jul 04 21:48:00 <leesiulung> mwester-laptop: that is good to know about the ntfs drivers... although they advertise it as supported with big bold letters on the box
Jul 04 21:48:00 <mwester-laptop> Probably a diode in series will drop the 6V by 0.6v to 5.4 -- that's close.  Two diodes in series would be 4.8V - safer.
Jul 04 21:48:21 <mwester-laptop> Marketing, leesiulung.  That's why they wear expensive suits and drive BMWs.
Jul 04 21:48:57 <leesiulung> mwester-laptop: so prior to using the drives (which is probably formatted as Fat32), I should format it with the slug
Jul 04 21:50:04 <mwester-laptop> Yes.  Although you should check the wiki for the page on "which USB port to use" before you format the disk, if you already have a disk or flash device plugged in that has been formatted.
Jul 04 21:50:52 <mwester-laptop> In a nutshell, if you have, or ever intend to have, *TWO* natively-formatted devices plugged in, you *MUST* be unslung to USB port 1.
Jul 04 21:53:01 <leesiulung> The one thing that really suprises me about all these devices is the difficulty in using and configuring them.... I'm not refering to the nslu2 in particular but seemingly all NAS/Media server type devices
Jul 04 21:54:32 <mwester-laptop> Interesting generalization.  I agree that the rules Linksys imposed on the NSLU2 in the latest firmware (>=R63) are kind of strange, but I know of no others that have such rules.
Jul 04 21:55:43 <mwester-laptop> Frankly, if you wish to be free of these constraints, you need to consider SlugOS (aka OpenSlug)  or Debian.  Newer kernel, no applications with pre-determined assumptions about devices...  and NTFS drivers that mostly work.
Jul 04 21:56:03 <mwester-laptop> gotta run - bbaib
Jul 04 21:56:13 <mwester-laptop> s/bbaib/bbiab/
Jul 04 21:56:13 <capbot> mwester-laptop meant: gotta run - bbiab
Jul 04 21:56:21 <mwester-laptop> thank you capbot
Jul 04 21:56:21 <capbot> de rien, mwester-laptop
Jul 04 22:03:27 <leesiulung> mwester-laptop: I got to run too, but will catch up with you later about this. Thanks though!
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