**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 09 02:59:59 2007
Jul 09 05:29:50 <encode> sometime in the past i had OpenSlug installed onto a usb hdd connected to my nslu2. since then i've used the hdd for other purposes.  i want to use my nslu2 again. can I just put it in upgrade mode and reinstall SlugOS/debian?
Jul 09 05:39:26 <janm> encode, do you want a fresh install? if so pick either debian or openslug/unslung
Jul 09 05:43:23 <encode> janm: yep, fresh install
Jul 09 05:43:31 <encode> i would prefer debian
Jul 09 05:43:52 <encode> i read some of info on the wiki, but I'm a bit confused as to how to do it
Jul 09 05:44:20 <womble> encode: It's really easy, I did it for the first time a few days ago.
Jul 09 05:44:33 <janm> encode, shttp://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/
Jul 09 05:44:40 <janm> that's http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/
Jul 09 05:44:43 <encode> yep
Jul 09 05:44:48 <encode> looking now, thanks
Jul 09 05:45:13 <womble> Basically you flash the install image, boot up the slug, SSH to it so you can type everything in during the install, then when it's done the install flash is replaced with a regular boot image and you're away.
Jul 09 05:46:37 <janm> .. and if that doesn't work there's a link down the bottom about using the 'unpack' method of installing things
Jul 09 05:46:42 <encode> i think i read that page before, or at least some version of it
Jul 09 05:46:58 <encode> but i dont remember seeing "The Installation" section
Jul 09 05:47:20 <encode> just the bit about how to flash it, and then something like, from there is just like a normal debian install
Jul 09 05:47:28 <encode> but that page looks great, thanks
Jul 09 05:50:09 <encode> anyone here run sabnzbd on their slug?
Jul 09 09:25:41 <encode> hmm, the partitioner stopped responding
Jul 09 09:25:54 <encode> guess its time to pre-partition before trying again
Jul 09 09:48:11 <NSLU2-IRC> hi all!
Jul 09 09:48:36 <NSLU2-IRC> can anyone help with a dying slug? :'(
Jul 09 09:51:19 <encode> dying how?
Jul 09 09:51:44 <NSLU2-IRC> the unslung software wont connect to the network :'(
Jul 09 09:52:59 <NSLU2-IRC> if i flash debian, i can ssh in, but if i flash unslung the network stop talking
Jul 09 09:53:16 <encode> hmm, beyond my expertise im afraid
Jul 09 09:53:28 <NSLU2-IRC> :'(
Jul 09 09:53:30 <NSLU2-IRC> sigh
Jul 09 09:53:44 <NSLU2-IRC> and i am having such trouble trying to format a usb drive with the slug
Jul 09 09:53:51 <NSLU2-IRC> it just keep saying not formated
Jul 09 10:06:04 <NSLU2-IRC> anyone? :'(
Jul 09 11:26:02 <NSLU2-IRC> anyone around?
Jul 09 11:28:54 <womble> NSLU2-IRC: Beyond my knowledge.  Personally, I'd just stick with Debian.
Jul 09 11:29:34 <NSLU2-IRC> yea
Jul 09 11:29:38 <NSLU2-IRC> i tried debian
Jul 09 11:29:49 <NSLU2-IRC> when i try to install it says bootstrap error :(
Jul 09 11:29:56 <NSLU2-IRC> i am not too good with linux :(
Jul 09 11:30:27 <womble> Bootstrap error?  Jeez, you really are having bad luck.  Do you have the exact error message there?  I can probably help you out with most Debian-related problems.
Jul 09 11:30:55 <NSLU2-IRC> ammm crap i didnt copy down the exact message
Jul 09 11:31:11 <NSLU2-IRC> let me try and run through the procedure again
Jul 09 11:36:03 <NSLU2-IRC> womble: just a question, is there  a way to absolute revert All the changes that i have made ?
Jul 09 11:37:32 <womble> NSLU2-IRC: I *think* so, you upslug the stock linksys firmware off their website and everything goes back to normal.  There might be some config settings that don't go back, though.
Jul 09 11:39:08 <NSLU2-IRC> womble:yea thats the problem, i am afraid i might have buggered the lan driver or something
Jul 09 11:39:10 <NSLU2-IRC> sigh
Jul 09 11:39:28 <womble> NSLU2-IRC: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/RevertToLinksysFirmware
Jul 09 11:39:37 <encode> hmm, my newly install debian doesn't seem to work
Jul 09 11:39:41 <encode> installed*
Jul 09 11:39:56 <encode> the installer booted fine, installed packages
Jul 09 11:40:02 <encode> oh wait
Jul 09 11:40:06 <encode> i spoke too soon
Jul 09 11:40:16 <encode> it seems the RTC fix has worked
Jul 09 11:40:22 <encode> (removing the script)
Jul 09 11:40:23 <NSLU2-IRC> lol
Jul 09 11:40:30 <encode> except, it rebooted twice in between
Jul 09 11:40:35 <encode> judging from the leds
Jul 09 11:42:31 <encode> the odd thing is, the status light wasn't green - it was orange
Jul 09 11:43:02 <encode> but anyways... what implications are there for not running the hwclock script?
Jul 09 11:44:09 <NSLU2-IRC> cant help u, I am a complete noob XD
Jul 09 11:44:18 <womble> encode: The local time might not get updated from the hardware clock.  If the status light was orange, though, then the root filesystem hadn't been mounted -- not the RTC problem.  Was your root HDD going crazy perhaps?  It was probably just fscking the root volume before mounting it.
Jul 09 11:45:54 <encode> womble: i've installed onto a flash drive. yes, itwas constantly accessing it, but i did an fsck on my linux computer before inserting the flash disk
Jul 09 11:46:11 <encode> it wouldn't boot, until i removed the hwclock script
Jul 09 11:46:45 <womble> encode: Strange.  Perhaps the "make status LED green" script is after hwclock.
Jul 09 11:46:47 * womble goes off to have a look
Jul 09 11:48:15 <encode> o oh. i seem to have moved the hwclock script somewhere ... that doesnt exist anymore
Jul 09 11:48:40 <encode> or not
Jul 09 11:49:10 <encode> there it is
Jul 09 11:49:18 <encode> now i sound crazy, dont i
Jul 09 11:50:40 <encode> its definitely having issues with the RTC clock though
Jul 09 11:50:54 <encode> # ./etc/init.d/hwclock.sh show
Jul 09 11:50:59 <encode> just hangs, with no output
Jul 09 11:51:29 <womble> encode: Looks like the status LED changes when you hit multiuser mode, not when the root FS mounts as I thought it did.  Oops.
Jul 09 11:51:47 <encode> perhaps the wiki could be updated?
Jul 09 11:52:16 <womble> Yep, I think so.
Jul 09 11:52:20 <encode> cool
Jul 09 11:52:34 * encode goes off to try and find a cmos battery to scavenge
Jul 09 11:54:46 <NSLU2-IRC> excuse me womble
Jul 09 11:54:54 <NSLU2-IRC> i am trying to set up debian again
Jul 09 11:55:03 <NSLU2-IRC> with a 2gb sandisk usb key
Jul 09 11:55:46 <NSLU2-IRC> opz
Jul 09 11:55:57 <NSLU2-IRC> it sets the swap to 100mb
Jul 09 11:56:00 <NSLU2-IRC> is that enough?
Jul 09 12:01:57 <womble> NSLU2-IRC: 100MB of swap should be plenty.
Jul 09 12:03:47 <NSLU2-IRC> the formmating screen is frozen :'(
Jul 09 12:04:55 <womble> NSLU2-IRC: Frozen?  That's odd.
Jul 09 12:05:02 <womble> Sure it hasn't kicked you out?
Jul 09 12:05:23 <NSLU2-IRC> how does it kcik me out?
Jul 09 12:09:19 <womble> NSLU2-IRC: What happens is that the formatting process chews up so much RAM that the SSH session gets killed due to lack of memory, and because the swap partition isn't necessarily made first there's no swap to carry the day yet.  Hang on, there's a wiki page about it.
Jul 09 12:09:46 <encode> NSLU2-IRC: easiest thing to do is to partition and format device before using it with nslu2
Jul 09 12:09:50 <NSLU2-IRC> i rebooted and tried again XD
Jul 09 12:09:50 <womble> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/FAQ, look for "format the new ext3 partition"
Jul 09 12:10:35 <NSLU2-IRC> ok
Jul 09 12:11:31 <encode> hmm, is debian goign to force me to change my root password every time i ssh as root?
Jul 09 12:11:49 <womble> encode: Shouldn't do.
Jul 09 12:12:07 <womble> Log out and back in again, and see what happens.  <grin>
Jul 09 12:12:12 <encode> ok, maybe it was because of the clock issue
Jul 09 12:12:16 <encode> which is now resolved
Jul 09 12:12:38 <encode> ahh there we go
Jul 09 12:12:48 <encode> now the clock is fine, it doesnt force me to change my password
Jul 09 12:12:49 <womble> encode: Probably -- the shadow password file probably had a really old expiry time set.
Jul 09 12:14:06 <NSLU2-IRC> womble: it worked this time without needing to use the method in wiki
Jul 09 12:14:15 <NSLU2-IRC> now setting up clock ^^
Jul 09 12:14:30 <womble> NSLU2-IRC: huzzah!
Jul 09 12:14:46 <NSLU2-IRC> i wonder if my flash drive will die real early if i run my slug off it
Jul 09 12:15:17 <NSLU2-IRC> and i just realise the big banner up top of this page.....
Jul 09 12:15:27 <encode> NSLU2-IRC: im in the process of doing just that
Jul 09 12:15:33 <NSLU2-IRC> "people leaving their nickname as NSLU2-IRC will be ignored -_-
Jul 09 12:15:48 <encode> NSLU2-IRC: swap is going to kill your flash quickly
Jul 09 12:16:27 <NSLU2-IRC> can i run without swap? XD
Jul 09 12:17:57 <encode> depends what you intend doing with your slug
Jul 09 12:19:00 <NSLU2-IRC> ammm web server XD
Jul 09 12:19:15 <NSLU2-IRC> and how do i change my nickname XD
Jul 09 12:19:42 <NSLU2-IRC> oh god, installing base systems.... last time i got a thing call bootstrap error ><
Jul 09 12:20:22 <NSLU2-IRC> brb 15 minutes... gotta have a shower ><
Jul 09 12:21:31 <Newbie_Slug> Yay
Jul 09 12:21:39 <Newbie_Slug> brb
Jul 09 12:22:26 <encode> heh
Jul 09 12:22:41 <encode> now for the hard part - trying to get sabnzbd installed
Jul 09 12:27:59 <womble> I'm off to bed.  Good luck with your installs, people.
Jul 09 12:31:56 <encode> thanks for your help womble 
Jul 09 12:57:33 <Newbie_Slug> nite nite womble, thx for your help!!!
Jul 09 21:34:06 <lImbus> hi all
Jul 09 21:34:25 <lImbus> going to unslung, since I got a new flashdrive :D
Jul 09 21:38:36 <lImbus> onw more question I had last time reading the readme: will my device reset to 192.168.1.77 or will it stay on the address I gave it ?
Jul 09 21:39:06 <Reedy_Boy> If its statically set, it will stay
Jul 09 21:39:36 <lImbus> n1, thanks
Jul 09 21:55:26 <lImbus> for the record: RedBoot works fine, from Windows as well as from Ubuntu
Jul 09 21:55:45 <lImbus> altough my nslu-hardware fails to start from time to time...
Jul 09 22:05:42 <lImbus> help :-$
Jul 09 22:05:49 <lImbus> i am heavily confused
Jul 09 22:06:07 <lImbus> the readme says my flashdisk has to be formatted through the web interface
Jul 09 22:06:25 <lImbus> but it won't format it since it's not a hdd
Jul 09 22:07:35 <lImbus> "Disk 2 isn't HDD, cannot format it!"
Jul 09 22:10:53 <encode> lImbus: what firmware are you using?
Jul 09 22:11:12 <lImbus> i am currently downloading V23R63
Jul 09 22:11:18 <lImbus> was using V2.3R45
Jul 09 22:11:23 <lImbus> right track s?
Jul 09 22:12:07 <encode> is that the linksys firmware?
Jul 09 22:12:18 <lImbus> err, yes
Jul 09 22:12:30 <encode> hmm, i have no knowledge of the stock linksys firmware
Jul 09 22:12:32 <lImbus> the web interface says, at least
Jul 09 22:12:37 <encode> this channel is mianly about custom firmwares
Jul 09 22:12:51 <lImbus> I know. I come here to install unslung :)
Jul 09 22:13:33 <lImbus> Ill upgrade the stock firmware first. did not find any objections to it
Jul 09 22:15:29 <lImbus> grmbl
Jul 09 22:15:37 <lImbus> upgrade failed: not enough free space
Jul 09 22:21:48 <encode> yay, successfully replaced openssh-server with dropbear
Jul 09 22:22:01 <encode> lImbus: have you not got access to any other linux pc?
Jul 09 22:22:10 <encode> or a linux live cd?
Jul 09 22:22:10 <lImbus> sure
Jul 09 22:22:22 <encode> that you can use to format your flashdisk
Jul 09 22:22:23 <lImbus> ubuntu ff
Jul 09 22:22:27 <lImbus> okay
Jul 09 22:22:50 <encode> you can partition it ready for installing unslung
Jul 09 22:23:11 <lImbus> good point
Jul 09 22:23:16 <lImbus> will see
Jul 09 22:45:31 <lImbus> encode, can you maybe give me further directions ?
Jul 09 22:45:50 <lImbus> I can't find information about "external" formatting and preconfiguration of the flashdrive
Jul 09 22:46:12 <lImbus> and the readme clearly says it won't work with externally formatted ext3-drives
Jul 09 22:49:08 <lImbus> oh, I missed those netsplits
Jul 09 22:56:38 <lImbus> encode, on air again ? did you receive my last question ?
Jul 09 22:56:58 <encode> ididnt see your last question
Jul 09 22:57:21 <lImbus> [00:45] <lImbus> encode, can you maybe give me further directions ?
Jul 09 22:57:22 <lImbus> [00:45] <lImbus> I can't find information about "external" formatting and preconfiguration of the flashdrive
Jul 09 22:57:22 <lImbus> [00:46] <lImbus> and the readme clearly says it won't work with externally formatted ext3-drives
Jul 09 22:57:55 <encode> well, the readme only applies to the proper linksys firmware i suspect
Jul 09 22:58:07 <encode> as for formatting and partition of the flashdrive
Jul 09 22:58:11 <encode> a) how big is it
Jul 09 22:58:14 <lImbus> in how far ? this is the readme of unslung
Jul 09 22:58:19 <encode> oh
Jul 09 22:58:23 <lImbus> my pendrive is 1GB
Jul 09 22:58:27 <encode> i havent used unslung either, actually
Jul 09 22:58:36 <lImbus> ah :)
Jul 09 22:58:45 <encode> so you basically want, say 128MB swap, and the rest system
Jul 09 22:58:53 <lImbus> what do you use instead ?
Jul 09 23:00:47 <encode> i use debian
Jul 09 23:01:00 <lImbus> directly on the nslu ?
Jul 09 23:01:11 <encode> but i cant imagine why unslung wouldnt be able to use externally formatted ext3-drives
Jul 09 23:01:16 <encode> yep, directly on the nslu
Jul 09 23:01:36 <lImbus> I'll leave that step for christmas holidays. I'm not yet that linux savvy
Jul 09 23:01:46 <encode> heh ok
Jul 09 23:14:15 <mwester> Just format the USB storage device with the NSLU2 Web GUI, once you have Unslung flashed.
Jul 09 23:15:12 <lImbus> yeah, I just found some wiki and howto pages for the "special" case flash drive as main drive
Jul 09 23:15:21 <lImbus> I did not see ths yet as special drive
Jul 09 23:16:07 <lImbus> but does that mean that I would be able to install unslung partially, then format, and continue installation ?
Jul 09 23:20:01 <mwester> Yeah, that's one way to describe the process.  You flash Unslung into the firmware, then use it to format the USB device, then do the "unsling" command to (almost) complete the process.
Jul 09 23:20:39 <mwester> You have to do it this way because the Linksys firmware won't let you format anything less than 10GBytes in size.  Unslung simply removes that check so that you can use anything 512MB and bigger.
Jul 09 23:20:40 <lImbus> okay
Jul 09 23:20:52 <lImbus> I found that
Jul 09 23:21:23 <lImbus> how probable is the README to be updated if I write another readme suggestion ?
Jul 09 23:21:39 <mwester> The "ext3flash" stuff is just some additional settings that you can add later that reduce the wear on the flash drive; not necessary until after you have it unslung and running.
Jul 09 23:21:50 <lImbus> I understand
Jul 09 23:21:57 <lImbus> so I start the procedure with NO drive connected
Jul 09 23:22:13 <mwester> The README updates?  Unknown, we're still kinda waiting to see if Linksys will release the source to the "officially unreleased but shipping" R72 firmware.
Jul 09 23:22:24 <lImbus> I see
Jul 09 23:22:36 <mwester> So if you have a suggestion, by all means add it, but no dates for the next release are yet planned.
Jul 09 23:22:57 <lImbus> and how does A5 compete to R36 ? I don't understand those nomenclatures
Jul 09 23:26:10 <mwester> A5 appears to be some internationalization (trivial) of R63; no logic changes and no changes that would impact Unslung.
Jul 09 23:26:43 <lImbus> aha
Jul 09 23:27:18 <mwester> R72 (and some claim to have R73) is appearing on some new units, and apparently is available if demanded loudly enough from Linksys customer support.  But it's not officially released, so apparently Linksys doesn't feel they need to release the GPL sources either.
Jul 09 23:27:28 <mwester> Hence, no update to Unslung at this time.
Jul 09 23:27:42 <lImbus> and GPL break :(
Jul 09 23:27:57 <lImbus> not Linksys-Style
Jul 09 23:28:01 <mwester> Maybe a bugfix at some point, but no bugs have proven to be significant enough to warrant a re-release. :(
Jul 09 23:28:11 <lImbus> mmhm
Jul 09 23:28:25 <lImbus> generally, the stock-firmware does not feel like a linksys-software
Jul 09 23:29:03 <lImbus> the quality is not comparable to the stock firmware of wrt54 for example. or sipura-devices
Jul 09 23:29:36 <lImbus> looks like they were calculating on some guys like you to bring a good software for their hardware
Jul 09 23:43:26 <lImbus> grrrr. every now and then, my hardware does not startup correctly. only the ethernet led lights up, nothing else. no redboot, no ready-led, no beep, no shutdown on power-button :(
Jul 10 00:12:57 <lImbus> mwester, maybe R72 was needed after small hardware changes. mine sucks now.
Jul 10 00:18:12 <encode> well now i know why no-one else is running sabnzbd on their slug
Jul 10 00:18:15 <encode> it cant keep up
Jul 10 01:29:11 <mindbender> hi guys. this pinout for a Siemens C25 phonesync-cable (based on the profilic chip) might be interesting for some of you: http://www.linkstationwiki.net/images/9/94/Polarlink_cable_profilicchip_pinout.JPG
Jul 10 01:29:49 <mindbender> its interesting as there are 4997 of them available at http://cgi.ebay.de/PolarLink-USB-Datenkabel-Siemens-C25_W0QQitemZ220086930396QQihZ012QQcategoryZ111305QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
Jul 10 01:30:58 <mindbender> i just tried to add this to the wiki page at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddASerialPort , but unfortunately i do not know the password for editing the wiki. can please someone add it? thx....
Jul 10 01:32:49 <encode> mindbender: isn't it down the bottom?
Jul 10 01:34:09 <mindbender> ah..well..then someone has already added it on my request the last time 2 months ago.
Jul 10 01:34:53 <mindbender> i just wanted to make sure the info from our page at http://linkstationwiki.net/index.php/Add_a_Serial_port_to_the_ARM9_Linkstation#What_do_i_need.3F is there...thx for checking.
Jul 10 01:35:37 <mindbender> gn8 then.
Jul 10 01:36:15 <mindbender> no it isnt. 
Jul 10 01:36:32 <mindbender> i see no Polarlink Siemens C25 cable here
Jul 10 01:37:15 <mindbender> its still missing...
Jul 10 01:37:18 <mindbender> gn8
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