**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 26 02:59:56 2007 Jul 26 11:23:08 hi Jul 26 11:23:56 hello Jul 26 11:24:18 ch4os_: i gave up on routing Jul 26 11:24:46 it appears the installer sets a default gateway of 192.168.1.1 which I don't have Jul 26 11:24:49 anyway ... Jul 26 11:24:59 installing via squid should work Jul 26 11:25:13 someone could help with dump an stream with mplayer?? Jul 26 11:25:16 BUT .. installer seems to want to do a dns lookup or something Jul 26 11:25:39 don't know why it doesn't just connect to squid. no need for a dns lookup Jul 26 11:26:19 I'm not actually seeing a dns lookp, I'm seeing arp who-has for the name of my network gateway machine .. don't know why Jul 26 11:26:36 I can certainly netcat to squid fro mthe slug Jul 26 11:27:54 mlh u can set gateway manualy Jul 26 11:28:12 and skip installer step with network conf Jul 26 11:29:00 when u connect to slug choose option with console acc from installer menu Jul 26 11:29:21 and type something like that: route add default gw gw_ip Jul 26 11:29:31 gw_ip change with your gateway ip Jul 26 11:29:39 and start installer again Jul 26 11:29:48 actually . sorry I lie Jul 26 11:29:54 debian-installer.. or sth like that;) Jul 26 11:30:12 192.168.1.1 IS my gateway Jul 26 11:30:25 so what is the problem ? Jul 26 11:30:49 BUT i'm using it directly connected to another box now .. since it didn't work connected to that machine Jul 26 11:31:09 oh.. Jul 26 11:31:19 maybe I'll boot it up directly connected THEN disconnect the ethernet and connect it to the gateway Jul 26 11:31:23 what a bother Jul 26 11:31:45 btw .. it sets a new ssh host key each boot. Jul 26 11:31:52 a new feature? Jul 26 11:31:52 yep Jul 26 11:32:02 it's not a feature Jul 26 11:32:16 keys are generated during boot Jul 26 11:32:31 it's no place to save them ? i don't know ;) Jul 26 11:32:32 can the slug boot off usb? Jul 26 11:33:15 yes Jul 26 11:35:47 random OT question ... is the ipaq 3850 well supported in linux? Jul 26 11:36:06 there is opie rls for ipaqs 38xx Jul 26 11:36:45 but opie is quite slow.. i've used it on my jornada 680 Jul 26 11:44:17 anyone with JTAG experience around? Jul 26 11:44:37 don't look at me ;P Jul 26 11:45:36 Fatus: ask your question -- there might be someone about who can answer, but might not wish to admit experience. (This channel seems to work that way!) Jul 26 12:10:27 lol Jul 26 12:10:40 actually I'm just asking myself which of the hundred jtag schematics I should build Jul 26 12:29:50 Wiggler works on the NSLU2 Jul 26 12:39:39 but not hairy* 's right? Jul 26 13:00:49 I've never tried the hairydairymaid one - I think it might be able to work, but I can't confirm. Jul 26 13:01:33 I purchased one intended for sat and cable boxes, and rewired the plug to make it a wiggler-compatible cable... Jul 26 13:01:51 the buffered ones are all mostly the same, just different pinouts. Jul 26 17:59:41 Hello... Is there a page on the wiki that talks about removing an unslung drive? Jul 26 18:01:09 I'm specifically wondering what will happen if I remove my flash stick that I've unslung to. Jul 26 18:02:31 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/RevertToLinksysFirmware Jul 26 18:03:08 if u remove stick.. slug may hang.. and don't boot up, until u plug stick in again ;) Jul 26 18:03:56 Thanks. I'll read that real quick. Jul 26 18:04:12 I don't want to revert, I just want to switch over to a hard drive instead of the flash stick. Jul 26 18:06:01 i think u will have to reinstall unslug Jul 26 18:06:13 or u can use dd Jul 26 18:06:17 to backup whole pen Jul 26 18:06:52 And copy the backup to the hdd? Jul 26 18:07:01 yep Jul 26 18:07:08 What is dd? Jul 26 18:07:14 (sorry - I'm a newbie) Jul 26 18:07:29 and partition layout of pen and hdd should be identical Jul 26 18:08:09 I read on the wiki that flash drives burn out a lot faster than hdds. So I want to get off of it as soon as possible. Jul 26 18:09:56 Do you think this is the best method for achieving that? http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/CompletelyBackupTheNSLU2 Jul 26 18:11:02 but u don't want change internal flash memory.. Jul 26 18:11:31 No. I just want to move my unslung to a drive. Jul 26 18:11:46 so this guide is useless for u :P Jul 26 18:12:17 Great! What do you recommend then? Jul 26 18:12:49 try to do identical partition layout on hdd and copy all files (with right chmods) from pen to hdd, maybe it will work Jul 26 18:13:26 I'm not sure how to setup identical partitions on the hard drive. New to linux. Jul 26 18:13:57 do u have any pc with linux ? (it will be easier) Jul 26 18:14:18 i don't how to handle linux file systems under ms win... Jul 26 18:14:20 I have knoppix Jul 26 18:15:05 I guess I'd start by having the slug format the hdd, right? Jul 26 18:15:20 no ;) Jul 26 18:15:26 Ah. Okay Jul 26 18:15:32 wait a moment Jul 26 18:15:37 k Jul 26 18:16:30 do u now dev node of your pen ? /dev/sdx (where x is something betwen a and z) Jul 26 18:16:34 know* Jul 26 18:16:58 I don't, but I can find out. Jul 26 18:17:02 ... can't I? Jul 26 18:17:12 I can putty in real fast. Jul 26 18:17:23 of course u can, plug pen to pc and look in dmesg output Jul 26 18:17:39 Oh. Jul 26 18:17:43 I can't do it from the slug? Jul 26 18:17:51 if u have cfdisk there Jul 26 18:18:03 Is that an ipkg? Jul 26 18:18:25 i don't know i'm using debian Jul 26 18:18:42 Oh. So when you said pc, you meant the knoppix, boot, right? Not windows... Jul 26 18:18:51 Duh, windows won't read it. never mind. :) Jul 26 18:18:57 yes knoppix ;) Jul 26 18:19:09 Thanks for your patience. I'm trying to learn all this. Jul 26 18:20:29 I'm wondering though because a lot of the paths I've seen have /flash/ in them, and that won't be the same on a hdd, right? Jul 26 18:20:57 they will if partition layouts will be the same on pen and hdd ;) Jul 26 18:21:04 (they should be...) Jul 26 18:21:31 Okay. I'll have to get back on here when I get home then. I'm remote. I can manage, but not physically right now. Jul 26 18:21:35 wait a moment Jul 26 18:21:42 k Jul 26 18:21:45 paste me /etc/fstab file Jul 26 18:21:47 from slug Jul 26 18:22:37 What command do I use there? Just that? Jul 26 18:22:46 # /etc/fstab Jul 26 18:22:46 # Jul 26 18:23:04 thats all ? Jul 26 18:23:15 I typed that and got permission denied Jul 26 18:23:25 u need root access Jul 26 18:23:28 I'm on root Jul 26 18:23:44 That's what I logged in with. Jul 26 18:23:57 and u have acc denied? Jul 26 18:24:04 Weird, huh? Jul 26 18:24:09 impossible Jul 26 18:24:22 Yeah I'm wondering if my root isn't really root Jul 26 18:24:26 hmm Jul 26 18:24:30 ok do Jul 26 18:24:33 less /proc/mounts Jul 26 18:24:50 less? Jul 26 18:24:56 No such file or directory Jul 26 18:25:03 oh Jul 26 18:25:21 I suck at this. Jul 26 18:25:44 ok i'll wait until u will be back home Jul 26 18:26:16 Man, thank you so much. Jul 26 18:26:40 I'll just head out now. Jul 26 18:26:47 i've only one question what is your timezone ?:D Jul 26 18:27:33 central Jul 26 18:27:38 It's 1330 here. Jul 26 18:27:56 hmm ;) 2030 for me... Jul 26 18:28:03 I can wait until tomorrow. Jul 26 18:28:05 Or whenever. Jul 26 18:28:07 ok ;) Jul 26 18:28:09 I don't want to put you out. Jul 26 18:28:28 Will you be on Monday? Jul 26 18:28:39 i should be Jul 26 18:28:53 Okay. I'll just do that. Jul 26 18:28:59 Thanks again for your time. Jul 26 18:29:18 np Jul 26 18:29:52 Oh, one other question if I may... Jul 26 18:29:56 ? Jul 26 18:30:03 Is there a way to create a new group in linux? Jul 26 18:30:11 A new user group that I can add two users to? Jul 26 18:30:16 groupadd Jul 26 18:30:29 man groupadd Jul 26 18:30:29 :P Jul 26 18:31:14 I get no such file or directory when I do that. Jul 26 18:31:21 I'm using unslung 6.8 Jul 26 18:31:38 :/ Jul 26 18:31:40 ipkg update ; ipkg list | grep adduser Jul 26 18:31:43 ;) Jul 26 18:31:51 Thank you. Jul 26 18:31:56 brb Jul 26 18:47:41 hello Jul 26 18:47:57 morning :) Jul 26 18:48:13 hehe Jul 26 18:48:25 i'm unser of unslung, someone can help me. Jul 26 18:48:27 ? Jul 26 18:48:31 ~ask Jul 26 18:48:32 ask is probably Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jul 26 18:49:00 ok Jul 26 18:49:27 i'm triying to use irssi on unslung, in order to connect at quakenet Jul 26 18:49:37 but i'm refused, because my ident is root Jul 26 18:50:05 i triyed to create new account on web-admin, but passwords never works when i try to log by ssh Jul 26 18:50:31 my question is: how create a no-root account Jul 26 18:50:32 ? Jul 26 18:51:28 with unslung of course Jul 26 18:55:28 only bots here? :) Jul 26 18:56:36 I'm rusty on unslung. But can't you ssh in as root and run the 'adduser' command to create it? Jul 26 18:56:54 >< Jul 26 18:56:59 i never tryed :(((( Jul 26 18:57:39 no, it don't work Jul 26 18:57:41 so it will be good start:P Jul 26 18:57:45 why it don't work ? Jul 26 18:57:50 Wjat doesn't work? Jul 26 18:57:56 What* Jul 26 18:58:02 no such file or directory (about adduser) Jul 26 18:58:06 sure Jul 26 18:58:24 but i already created an account via webadmin Jul 26 18:58:32 it worked, because i find it in passwfd Jul 26 18:58:34 passwd Jul 26 18:58:49 but password don't work when i log with ssh Jul 26 18:59:04 hmm so change password from root account Jul 26 18:59:08 passwd login Jul 26 18:59:14 maybe i should encrypt the password on the slug, and past it in passwd? Jul 26 18:59:19 the new user has a login shell (last field in /etc/passwd) ? Jul 26 18:59:26 caplink811-log: yes Jul 26 18:59:32 ch4os_: i will try Jul 26 19:00:10 ok, password changed Jul 26 19:00:15 but Jul 26 19:00:24 i changed the root one, and not the user one Jul 26 19:00:58 aaah, ok, ididn't understood Jul 26 19:01:08 passwd your_login Jul 26 19:01:09 changing user account password, i'll do it Jul 26 19:01:12 ;) Jul 26 19:02:20 hum, does exist a command for adding user? Jul 26 19:02:37 nevermind Jul 26 19:03:11 ipkg update ; ipkg list | grep adduser Jul 26 19:03:37 good feeling Jul 26 19:05:01 erf Jul 26 19:05:30 ok i'll try to connect with irssi Jul 26 19:05:57 hum, i have lost my commands Jul 26 19:06:12 i mean the path Jul 26 19:06:54 probably yes, when yo set it in ~/.profile Jul 26 19:07:07 s/yo/you Jul 26 19:08:06 what does it mean? Jul 26 19:08:10 s/yo/you? Jul 26 19:08:27 i'm not really familar about path :s Jul 26 19:08:52 in root mode i just had to write echo "$PATH" and it was ok Jul 26 19:11:08 well, maybe, but i assuming, that you set the path variable automagically with an entry in your homedirectory/.profile file. you should add something like PATH=/opt/bin/:/opt/sbin/:$PATH (new line) export PATH to your /etc/profile Jul 26 19:14:05 may i set PATH=/opt/sbin:/opt/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin in .profile? Jul 26 19:14:19 it's the path for root, so i guess it's the same for users Jul 26 19:15:18 when you set it in homedir_of_the_newuser/.profile then yes, and use export PATH in a second line Jul 26 19:16:09 it work :) Jul 26 19:16:39 i'll try to come here with my new profile Jul 26 19:17:58 hi back Jul 26 19:18:07 it's ok caplink811-log , it work now :) Jul 26 19:18:13 thank you for your help all Jul 26 19:18:25 np :) Jul 26 19:18:36 may i ask you what is you slug os? Jul 26 19:18:44 your* Jul 26 19:19:08 one runs with unslung-5.5, another with opendebianslug Jul 26 19:19:36 i wonder, if i use debian/Nslu2, the slug risk to be slower? Jul 26 19:19:41 it is heavy? Jul 26 19:20:23 assuming, that this depends primary on the applications, not on the distribution Jul 26 19:20:40 i would find an alternative of unslung, without webadmin (slower), but whixh can work at the starting, without login in an account when it boot Jul 26 19:20:46 ok Jul 26 19:21:02 so apache needs more memory as appweb or lighthttpd Jul 26 19:21:04 humm, not slower, lighter i mean :p Jul 26 19:21:47 hm, what would you achieve? Jul 26 19:21:51 yes, i was thinking about using lighttpd at the begining, but i guess using console app could be the best choice Jul 26 19:21:58 I'm running an additional instance of thttpd on my slug. Is there a way to allow ftp to put files in /opt/share/www? Jul 26 19:22:30 I get permission denied when I try to stor with admin. Jul 26 19:23:24 drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 Jan 6 2006 www Jul 26 19:23:29 caplink811-log: i want to use it to share files with nf and samba on my network, set a ftp too, and download (i was looking for torrentflux, but i'll use rtorrent finally) Jul 26 19:23:31 that is the reason Jul 26 19:23:46 and maybe streaming, but i could kill the slug Jul 26 19:23:52 so no Jul 26 19:24:30 Here's mine: Jul 26 19:24:31 drwxrwsr-x 6 root root 4096 Jul 26 08:35 www Jul 26 19:24:37 space, try chmod -r 777 /opt/share/www if you assuming no security issues Jul 26 19:25:09 It's a public-facing website, available to the outside. Is that what you mean? Jul 26 19:25:27 yes Jul 26 19:25:44 I created a user called webadmin. I was just wonderinf if I could add that user to the Group that has access to rwx on that dir. Jul 26 19:25:49 so you better shouoldn't do it Jul 26 19:26:35 drwxrwsr-x :: That should mean group has rwx, right? Jul 26 19:26:39 try to edit /etc/group Jul 26 19:27:01 What should I use to edit? Jul 26 19:27:09 vi ?! Jul 26 19:27:15 Oh. Duh. Jul 26 19:27:21 Sorry, new to this. Jul 26 19:27:49 Here's that: Jul 26 19:27:52 root:x:0:root Jul 26 19:27:52 lp:x:7:daemon,lp Jul 26 19:27:52 mail:x:12:mail Jul 26 19:27:52 ftp:x:50: Jul 26 19:27:52 nobody:x:99: Jul 26 19:27:52 users:x:100: Jul 26 19:27:54 administrators::500:admin Jul 26 19:27:56 everyone::501:guest,admin Jul 26 19:27:58 website:x:2000: Jul 26 19:28:00 webadmins:x:523:webadmin Jul 26 19:29:43 Looks like it's in there, right? Jul 26 19:30:49 try something like root:x:0:root,admin (but this is a bad and dirty way) Jul 26 19:31:45 Can I just add the admins group to the www permissions? Jul 26 19:31:53 or try chgrp -r everyone /opt/share/www (which is bad and dirty too) Jul 26 19:32:08 Yeah I wanna stay away from dirty if I can! Jul 26 19:32:36 I've been having to copy files to a share I made using the linksys admin site. Then I ssh and move it to the right location. Jul 26 19:32:43 P.I.T.A! Jul 26 19:33:00 ~wtf pita Jul 26 19:33:03 PITA: pain in the ass Jul 26 19:33:12 ~thanks Jul 26 19:33:13 de nada, caplink811-log Jul 26 19:34:01 I just don't have a good understanding (I guess) of how linux handles groups. Jul 26 19:34:12 good bot Jul 26 19:34:21 When I look at the permissions of that dir, which group is it showing the permissions for? Jul 26 19:36:12 when you use ls -la the 4th field is the group Jul 26 19:36:28 Right, but which group is it? Jul 26 19:36:42 ? Jul 26 19:36:50 Does that make sense? Jul 26 19:37:02 Isn't there more than one "group" on the system? Jul 26 19:37:16 Well I see admins, users, everyone... Jul 26 19:37:19 yes, cat /etc/group Jul 26 19:37:24 Which group is that specifying? Jul 26 19:38:04 How do I tell which group that directory belongs to? Jul 26 19:38:23 chgrp groupname file/directory Jul 26 19:40:04 I apparently don't have a chgrp command. Jul 26 19:40:14 Good Lord. This is frying my brain. Jul 26 19:40:32 Perhap a linux/unix primer would be a good reading exercise? Jul 26 19:40:46 A file is owned by a user and a group. Jul 26 19:40:59 A user is a member of one or more groups. Jul 26 19:41:15 I've been reading through one all morning, but can't find certain things. Jul 26 19:41:24 seems that chgrp is in coreutils Jul 26 19:41:28 The permissions a user has to a file are the maximum of the combined user permissions and the group permissions that match. Jul 26 19:41:37 That makes sense. Jul 26 19:41:40 Like windows. Jul 26 19:41:52 chown . is what's built into the unslung image. Jul 26 19:41:53 mwester-road, you shouldn't drive and write ;) Jul 26 19:41:55 amen Jul 26 19:42:02 :) Jul 26 19:42:29 Okay, so the one after the colon is the groupname. Jul 26 19:42:36 So I can make the owner root:webadmins Jul 26 19:42:38 Right? Jul 26 19:42:52 ls -l is the command that tells you the read, write, and execute permissions for a file, and also lists the owner and the group to which the file belongs. Jul 26 19:43:03 period, not colon. Jul 26 19:43:09 Oh. Jul 26 19:43:10 Okay. Jul 26 19:45:36 Thank you for your help. I think i'm getting it now. Jul 26 19:56:35 I've added admin to the webadmin group, and that group owns -R the www directory, but I still can't STOR files there. Jul 26 19:56:37 Any ideas? Jul 26 20:03:44 hm, a short test (see http://phpfi.com/252504) works for me... what ftp server do you use? Jul 26 20:05:48 ws_ftp Jul 26 20:06:00 My problem is that a lot of the commands I see in your shot there don't work. Jul 26 20:06:14 like chgrp, I get "No such file or directory". Jul 26 20:06:40 And in the /opt/bin dir, I see very clearly adduser. Jul 26 20:06:43 But I can't run it. Jul 26 20:06:46 I get the same thing. Jul 26 20:06:49 server, not your client... as mike mentioned above chown user.group is equal to chgrp group... Jul 26 20:07:13 I see. Jul 26 20:07:24 I'm running unslung. With an extra instance of thttpd. Jul 26 20:07:38 The webserver runs fine, and starts at boot and everything. Beautiful. Jul 26 20:07:44 But I can't put files to it. Jul 26 20:08:06 Thanks for your patience with me, by the way. Jul 26 20:08:16 you can use each command when you call it wit the full path and name, e.g. /opt/bin/adduser Jul 26 20:08:21 I know it's probably annoying having guys like me come in here. Jul 26 20:10:03 Does this look right? Jul 26 20:10:10 # /opt/bin/adduser -gusers -Gwebadmin -/bin/ -pXXXXXX brian Jul 26 20:12:08 Scratch that. Jul 26 20:12:10 I had to use: # /opt/bin/adduser -Gwebadmin brian Jul 26 20:20:04 Got the user in there, edited /etc/group to add brian to webadmin and users Jul 26 20:20:13 Can't login with it though. Jul 26 20:22:47 the user brian has a login shell? (last field in /etc/passwd) Jul 26 20:22:58 No i meant for ftp Jul 26 20:24:11 Yes I guess he does. Jul 26 20:24:48 you guess, or you know it? Jul 26 20:25:26 It says /home/brian:/bin/sh Jul 26 20:26:01 k, so you should (at least) login via telnet, as a 1st try Jul 26 20:26:38 Yeah, logged in with telnet. Jul 26 20:27:07 so, it should work with login via your ftp client too Jul 26 20:27:36 It doesn't though. :\ Jul 26 20:28:09 same question like before, what ftp server do you use, the build in one? Jul 26 20:28:30 ws_ftp Jul 26 20:28:41 Oh sorry Jul 26 20:28:42 server... Jul 26 20:28:48 Uh, yeah. Built in. Jul 26 20:31:38 is there a possibility to disable and enable the buildin ftp server in the webinterface? Jul 26 20:31:50 Yes. Jul 26 20:32:15 Should I uncheck that? Jul 26 20:32:35 then you should disable it, and enable it again, maybe, that it only read /etc/passwd at startup, so it isn't aware of te new user Jul 26 20:33:00 Gotcha Jul 26 20:33:10 Do I need to also reboot the slug? Jul 26 20:33:42 when you reboot your nsle, your changes at /etc/passwd are going away.. Jul 26 20:33:51 s/nsle/nslu/ Jul 26 20:33:51 caplink811-log meant: when you reboot your nslu, your changes at /etc/passwd are going away.. Jul 26 20:35:15 Yeah resetting the ftp service didn't fix it. Jul 26 20:35:16 see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ChangePasswordsFromTheCommandLine Jul 26 20:35:58 hm, so i dunno, i can't test it in my environment Jul 26 20:37:12 Well thanks for your time! Jul 26 20:37:16 np Jul 26 20:41:08 Hi all. Jul 26 20:41:18 mornining :) Jul 26 20:41:37 morning Jul 26 20:41:47 that's it ;) Jul 26 20:42:00 Quick question if you don't mind - has anyone got ircd-hybrid working on their Slug? Jul 26 20:42:10 With the Unslung firmware. Jul 26 20:42:35 i've tried this long time ago, afair it worked Jul 26 20:43:24 I installed the package fine, but I try running ircd as a normal user with -configfile /opt/myconfig.conf and it displays a message but doesn't stay running.. Jul 26 21:35:16 mika_ :) Jul 26 22:28:09 does someone use his nas for downloading? Jul 26 22:28:15 i mean P2P Jul 26 22:28:42 some use it as a torrent downloader Jul 26 22:28:56 yes, i want to talk at these ppl :) Jul 26 22:29:06 what do you need? Jul 26 22:29:20 just know limitations of the nslu2 Jul 26 22:29:39 files maxi, peer limitations, etc.. Jul 26 22:30:13 I don't believe its any different really then one running on a normal pc Jul 26 22:30:43 i was downloading one file, then the nas's cpu was aloready at 46% :s Jul 26 22:30:50 tthat's why i ask Jul 26 22:31:14 which firmware are you using? Jul 26 22:31:14 to know if i should reduice peer limitation, and how many simulatneous downloads Jul 26 22:31:17 unslung Jul 26 22:31:28 that's not really a good one for that? Jul 26 22:33:13 i could be interested by a debian, but i fear that uses more ressources than unslung Jul 26 22:33:46 * DrJ does not know if that's out of the unusual for unslung or not Jul 26 22:35:28 does unslung adapted for a such exotic utilisation? Jul 26 22:36:01 I don't see why it couldn Jul 26 22:36:03 't handle it Jul 26 22:36:10 I know many people use it for it Jul 26 22:36:16 :) Jul 26 22:36:26 i just think that webadmin is useless Jul 26 22:37:16 btw Jul 26 22:37:24 there are multiple torrent clients I believe Jul 26 22:37:28 maybe you can try another Jul 26 22:37:40 yes :( Jul 26 22:37:53 http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/result.php?query=torrent&searchtype=description§ion= Jul 26 22:39:39 i will try ctorrent Jul 26 23:02:24 PPmarcel: i like rtorrent, it has problems on unslung, but runs great on debian and slugosbe Jul 26 23:02:47 maybe openwrt-ixp4xx too Jul 26 23:03:13 how many downloads can you launch at the same time? Jul 26 23:03:50 5 or 6 at most Jul 26 23:04:04 maybe it can take more, but i haven't tried that many Jul 26 23:04:25 and have you set a number of peers maxi? Jul 26 23:04:46 no i haven't, just the default Jul 26 23:04:53 i did set upload max Jul 26 23:04:57 interesting :) Jul 26 23:05:21 i looked for a fuction, but i didn't found, maybe you can advice me Jul 26 23:05:42 can i limit max torrents at the same time? Jul 26 23:06:00 i mean rtorrent freeze some torrents and start them when others are finished? Jul 26 23:06:43 i understand what you mean, but i dunno Jul 26 23:07:04 ok Jul 26 23:07:07 i don't have that many download, anyway Jul 26 23:07:15 what os do you use on your slug? Jul 26 23:07:47 i have 1 unslung 5.5, 1 debian, and 1 slugosbe 3.10 Jul 26 23:08:14 am thinking about getting another one for openwrt-ixp4xx Jul 26 23:08:32 unslung is not good for rtorrent Jul 26 23:08:56 wow :D Jul 26 23:09:03 you really need 3 actually? Jul 26 23:09:28 i'm optware developer, and need different platforms for testing purpose Jul 26 23:09:54 lol Jul 26 23:10:15 you can't emulate arm cpu with a virtualiser software? Jul 26 23:10:48 maybe you can, but armeb emulation is not as mature as arm little endian Jul 26 23:11:18 i talk about a desktop computer Jul 26 23:11:44 i know, like qemu-arm or qemu-armeb Jul 26 23:11:51 ah :) Jul 26 23:11:56 you just helped me Jul 26 23:12:11 i would test openWRT, but i didn't know about an arm emulator Jul 26 23:12:30 i will dig in this direction Jul 26 23:12:59 i'd be glad if someone have an qemu setup instruction Jul 26 23:13:53 you don't know how use it? (i can't help neither, i never tried) Jul 26 23:14:27 i setup plan9 under qemu under windows once Jul 26 23:14:37 :) Jul 26 23:15:12 there isn't a qemu-arm emulator binary ready for one to use Jul 26 23:15:32 maybe there is one on virtualbox? Jul 26 23:16:26 is virtualbox x86 only? Jul 26 23:16:50 it setup on x86 only Jul 26 23:16:57 but maybe it can emulate arm Jul 26 23:17:35 i'll say you, i have on on my computer Jul 26 23:17:50 answer is no Jul 26 23:17:53 you were right Jul 26 23:18:31 for debian, there're instruction on the net Jul 26 23:18:36 like http://nepotismia.com/linux/qemu/arm/ Jul 26 23:19:18 that's seems not soo hard Jul 26 23:20:02 can you give me some information about debian nslu2? Jul 26 23:21:00 i use ubuntu, and i worked on it at school this year, so i think it will be more easy for me if i have some problems or if i have some things to set Jul 26 23:21:02 it's on nslu2-linux.org home page Jul 26 23:21:07 erf :p Jul 26 23:21:30 nop, i looked a long time for this channel to find missing informations Jul 26 23:21:48 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/HomePage Jul 26 23:22:14 then takes you to http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ Jul 26 23:22:28 it don't say if slug is slower than with unslung Jul 26 23:23:22 and it don't say if device auto log when it start (i won't have to log to access services when i start it ><) Jul 26 23:23:38 you can trust me, i looked for that long time, but no answer Jul 26 23:24:04 if there is a forum, i would be glad to ask my questions on it Jul 26 23:24:11 it's pretty much standard debian, so you can configure daemons to autostart Jul 26 23:24:57 and about perfs? i guess that if it use 512mo of system, it's heavy Jul 26 23:25:01 if you run same amount of daemons, it feels about the same speed with unslung Jul 26 23:25:08 ok Jul 26 23:25:31 but the default probably runs some more programs Jul 26 23:25:41 you can always disable Jul 26 23:25:42 and if i look for a like-unslung-but-without-webadmin, it's slugOS/BE if i understood? Jul 26 23:26:00 right Jul 26 23:26:16 and a last question? (please please :D) Jul 26 23:26:38 there's some unproved test, saying slug network runs better under BE than LE Jul 26 23:26:53 apt-get is much heavier than ipkg Jul 26 23:27:09 of course it does more Jul 26 23:27:29 even if i setup any os on the slug, may i use an another one, via backup manipulation? Jul 26 23:27:42 you need to reflash Jul 26 23:28:09 i think that if i want try LE, i can aslo prefer using debian with installer (look's easier ;) ) Jul 26 23:29:05 the big advantage of debian is its packages Jul 26 23:29:09 thank you for your anwsers, that was all i couldn't find Jul 26 23:29:37 hum i think that it need optimisation of user for use debian packages Jul 26 23:30:07 but if you're a software person, personally i like slugosbe Jul 26 23:30:11 beacause i'm not sure that 32 is really adapted for multiservices then Jul 26 23:30:14 it depend Jul 26 23:30:37 or openwrt Jul 26 23:30:51 lol Jul 26 23:31:02 i can't represent openwrt in the nas Jul 26 23:31:03 better fit for this kind of device, and you can develop packages Jul 26 23:31:14 in my head it's a router os :) Jul 26 23:31:44 but that's the os which i was talking ti try, some minutes ago Jul 26 23:31:56 debian packages are all natively compiled in their server farm somewhere Jul 26 23:32:23 you are how many to compile for optware and slugOSs? Jul 26 23:32:57 you can setup your own cross compilation env for optware Jul 26 23:33:23 i seen that Jul 26 23:33:24 so if you really want some package, you can add it Jul 26 23:33:56 but you and other guys have made a really good job, about creation of slug OSs and packages :) Jul 26 23:34:31 oh, you know, i'm not a "high" user, which need THE software and not others Jul 26 23:34:53 thx rwhitby and gangs for slugos/openwrt, i'm mostly responsible for optware Jul 26 23:34:53 i have found all what i needed, even in optware Jul 26 23:35:15 nice to hear that Jul 26 23:35:20 lol Jul 26 23:35:32 but that's true Jul 26 23:35:54 if i didn't read this article in a paper, i would never test linksys router, and not nas Jul 26 23:36:08 the community has developed soo good softwares Jul 26 23:36:22 it "help" in the geek life :p Jul 26 23:36:50 and i'm glad to find these tools Jul 26 23:37:01 i would never invent them Jul 26 23:37:04 i'm too nooby Jul 26 23:37:21 nslu2-linux is an excellent community Jul 26 23:38:01 does openwrt totally sopported by nslu2-linux or are you just linked? Jul 26 23:38:22 i mean are you in the same community or you are just linked by optware? Jul 26 23:38:32 and both are almost independant? Jul 26 23:38:48 (it's the same question :p) Jul 26 23:39:34 there're ppl in nslu2 project that have commit access to both nslu2 and openwrt Jul 26 23:39:57 i'm more linked by optware Jul 26 23:40:10 you started at the same time? Jul 26 23:40:23 nslu2 OSs ans openwrt Jul 26 23:40:30 ans -> and Jul 26 23:40:53 yeah i know, i made headhaches for ppls :p Jul 26 23:40:57 i think openwrt is older than nslu2, but i'm not very sure Jul 26 23:41:13 ok Jul 26 23:41:20 i don't annoy you anymore ;) Jul 26 23:41:35 thank you for your answers Jul 26 23:41:36 no, not at all Jul 26 23:41:58 i think i will perform here for some times Jul 26 23:42:01 optware initially was just for unslung Jul 26 23:42:05 now i found this channel Jul 26 23:42:11 :o Jul 26 23:43:10 openwrt is a linux, for embedded device finally? i mean you can't export an slugos on a router, like openwrt can go on each linksys device? Jul 26 23:43:25 and maybe more i dunno Jul 26 23:43:42 i don't understand the question Jul 26 23:44:34 openwrt, i knew it about as router's firmware. You said me that i could be used on a nslu2. So it is very polyvalent Jul 26 23:45:05 so i thought that it was like a linux, for any embedded device finally Jul 26 23:45:20 i don't imagine a slugOS on a routeur for exemple Jul 26 23:45:49 hum nevermind, night make me loose sense of useless deductions -_- Jul 26 23:46:05 i talk to say nothing in finally Jul 26 23:46:40 both openwrt and slugos are linux based Jul 26 23:47:04 openwrt covers more devices, mostly router Jul 26 23:47:31 slugos is based on openembedded, initially runs on pda Jul 26 23:47:40 :o Jul 26 23:47:56 so it exist for a long time? Jul 26 23:48:06 slugos Jul 26 23:48:32 you didn't started from 0 i mean, you used an existant base Jul 26 23:48:42 not as long as openwrt Jul 26 23:48:48 (sorry for my english, it's not perfect) Jul 26 23:49:11 and do you know at what openwrt was used at the begining? Jul 26 23:49:27 openembedded is sort of like gentoo or debian Jul 26 23:49:38 slugos is like ubuntu Jul 26 23:50:19 nice comparison Jul 26 23:50:33 what ip does debian-slug use if it can't get one from dhcp Jul 26 23:50:54 192.168.1.77 Jul 26 23:51:04 and i you can't, reset the device Jul 26 23:51:21 5s on power button if i'm right Jul 26 23:51:38 mlh: or the IP you set with linksys/unslung web UI Jul 26 23:52:44 PPmarcel: openwrt uses uclibc, slugos uses glibc Jul 26 23:52:58 uclibc, as the name suggests, is smaller Jul 26 23:53:19 i find busybox too Jul 26 23:53:29 a spin-off i suppose Jul 26 23:53:58 no, busybox is a user-space utility Jul 26 23:54:17 lol dman google Jul 26 23:54:17 it can be built as one binary, multi-function Jul 26 23:54:52 they are library? Jul 26 23:54:54 it's often used in embedded device image to save space Jul 26 23:55:28 ok Jul 26 23:55:41 it's like, if you hve a symlink with name of ls to busybox Jul 26 23:56:04 invoking ls will perform the ls function Jul 26 23:56:12 i see Jul 26 23:56:27 usually contains a small shell Jul 26 23:56:49 when invoked as sh, it serves as shell Jul 26 23:57:04 at least that's the way i understand it Jul 26 23:57:37 so if i undertand, used lonely, it can be a system, but it can be ptched on a hurd or linux, or unix kernel? Jul 26 23:58:16 i don't think busybox covers kernel at all Jul 26 23:58:39 hum busybox was just the first website that i found Jul 26 23:58:50 with uclubc keyword Jul 26 23:59:00 it allows you to build a single binary for multiple purposes Jul 26 23:59:12 strictly user space Jul 26 23:59:23 ah, it's chines for me this sentence :) Jul 27 00:00:07 do you run any slug firmware right now? Jul 27 00:00:08 ok i got it now Jul 27 00:00:37 you mean one package is compatible with a lot of systems? Jul 27 00:00:42 yes, i run slug os Jul 27 00:00:56 i use it for irssi, like a bot-proxy Jul 27 00:01:04 i just ssh and come here Jul 27 00:01:07 ls -l /bin/busybox Jul 27 00:01:11 ls -l /bin/ls Jul 27 00:01:37 ok, i seen Jul 27 00:01:47 ls -l /bin | grep busybox Jul 27 00:01:53 ls is a link on busybox Jul 27 00:02:11 O_O Jul 27 00:02:30 you mean that theses fuctions are performed by busybox? Jul 27 00:02:50 yeah, exactly Jul 27 00:03:17 you can stuff more stuff into the image that way Jul 27 00:03:18 ok i got it now Jul 27 00:03:47 it's the light equivalent of linux so (hurd, unix...) Jul 27 00:04:15 but once you have the firmware running, there're full featured binaries Jul 27 00:04:56 optware /opt/bin/ls for example Jul 27 00:06:35 but it's only used for emedded devices, or for all linux too? Jul 27 00:07:07 when storage is not a concern, busybox is not needed Jul 27 00:07:37 that help for developement then Jul 27 00:08:18 ok, i am going to sleep now Jul 27 00:08:19 in the case of slug, if you want to squeeze the function of sh and ls into the image Jul 27 00:08:26 i'm dead x_X Jul 27 00:08:26 use busybox Jul 27 00:08:42 and a light shell, like ash Jul 27 00:08:49 in optware, i mostly use coreutils and bash Jul 27 00:09:07 alright, g'nite Jul 27 00:09:17 it was nice to talk with you :) Jul 27 00:09:36 you teached me some good stuff about light systems Jul 27 00:10:17 * PPmarcel enter in night-mode zZzzZzZzzZzzZZzz... Jul 27 00:11:21 have some sluggish dream Jul 27 00:36:28 I unpacked a debian install as per http://cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/unpack.html Jul 27 00:36:52 but the machine booted into the installer not off the usb memory Jul 27 00:37:17 btw, that has a typo surely; he mounts /dev/sda2 not /dev/sda1 Jul 27 00:37:52 does the usb mem have to be in a particular port or is 1 or 2 ok? Jul 27 02:47:21 hi Jul 27 02:54:17 hello **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 27 02:59:56 2007